1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Quody Dinas, but Joseph's gotten more. I don't know of 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: too many people that would want to be admitted to 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: the hospital if they, you know, if they had their way. 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: In a perfect world, it's it's certainly not a place 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: where you go to rest, because if that's what you're 6 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: looking for rest, that is, you know, go buy an 7 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: airplane ticket, go some isolated location and rest there, or 8 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: just stay at home. Hospitals are one of these places 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: that's like a beehive. I've worked in them, I've always 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: thought of them that way. You've got worker bees that 11 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: are scurrying all over the place. They have these very 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: specific jobs that they do, and everybody's important. It doesn't 13 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: matter if you're the chief of neurosurgery or you're the janitor. 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: Everybody has a job, and if it breaks down, then 15 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 1: everything else begins to erode. Well, just like any other 16 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, organization, there are problems that arise, 17 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: things that you can't necessarily foresee. Most of the time, 18 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: the focus in the hospital is taking care of those 19 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: that are ill, taking care of those who are on 20 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: death doorstep and brought back. But there's another responsibility that 21 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: hospitals have and that is to take care of the 22 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: dead and their families. Today, we're going to discuss a 23 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: case that is shocking iking for a lot of reasons, 24 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: but namely, a patient walks into a hospital to receive 25 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: treatment and it's not seen again until her body is 26 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: discovered in long term storage. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and 27 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: this is Bodybacks, Dave. I've worked in hospitals that have 28 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: really bad morgs, and I've worked in them that have 29 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: state of the art morks. And that's in addition to 30 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: the work that I've done with corners and medical examiners. 31 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: I've never told you this, but I don't think at least, 32 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: but I used to work as a side job. I 33 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: worked for private pathology groups where hospital pathologists don't like 34 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: to do autopsy. So I would go to the hospital 35 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: and I think they were like in the group, the 36 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: group that I worked with in Atlanta, they serviced like 37 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: seven different hospitals. So I travel all over the metro 38 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: area Atlanta and go assistant autopsies and it was I 39 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I enjoyed doing autopsies, but the doctor would 40 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: just ask me, well, what were your findings, and they 41 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: might not ever walk into the morgue, and it varied 42 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: from doctor to doctor. So I've seen a lot of 43 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: a lot of the good and the bad. You know, 44 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: when you're in a morgue, you've got a cooler, maybe 45 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: a couple of coolers, and you're having to handle the 46 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: body by yourself, if you can imagine. I think that's 47 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: one of the reasons my back is run. 48 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: Now, that's where the term dead weight comes from. 49 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: It is it is, and it is dead weight. But 50 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: you know, you see all kinds of things. Really, you 51 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: talk about getting into the guts operationally of a hospital 52 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: that's born out in the way the morgue is run 53 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: and the way the morgue is handled, because I think 54 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: that it's indicative of the way a lot of other 55 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: things in the hospital are handled. Because you know, let's 56 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: face it, if you cannot, if you cannot respect the dead, 57 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: that's a real baseline kind of thing. If you cannot, 58 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: you know, how are you treating the living? You know, 59 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: because the dead people might not agree with this, but 60 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: the dead are the most helpless among us, right, They're 61 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: totally dependent upon us and by extension, their families too. 62 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 2: But you know, one of the things in a funeral 63 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: home is the you cannot leave a body alone in 64 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: the funeral home because if something happens, if there's a fire, 65 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: somebody has to be there to get the body or 66 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 2: bodies out of the funeral home. Now, I don't know 67 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 2: if that's still a law. In this case. We are 68 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: dealing with a thirty one year old, very accomplished woman. 69 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: She is a prosecuting attorney, and she has some medical 70 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: issues if she's diabetic and some other things. She had 71 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: had an infection in her foot one time and had 72 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: surgery on it, but going to the hospital is not 73 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: something she does on a regular basis. However, she did 74 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 2: find herself in a diabetic situation where she goes to 75 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: the hospital. But after two days she calls her mom, Hey, 76 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: come and get me. I need to get out of here. 77 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: Now there's a little blurriness as to what transpired at 78 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 2: this point with Jesse Peterson, but no matter how it happens. 79 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: At twoint thirty, she on April the eighth, she calls 80 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: her mom, would you come and get me at the hospital? 81 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: All right, Jesse, I'm away. When mom arrives around four 82 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 2: thirty or so, Jesse's not there. Where's my daughter. What 83 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 2: are you talking about? She checked herself out and left. 84 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: They actually tell her that I talked to my daughter 85 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 2: two hours ago. She said she was leaving. Where is she? 86 00:05:54,839 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: She checked herself out and left. Now Mom immediately starts 87 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: looking for her, because why would the hospital tell her 88 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 2: something wrong. You know, she can't find her, calling friends, 89 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: calling family, checking around, can't find her anywhere. She was 90 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,119 Speaker 2: in the hospital, checked herself out, and now she's missing. 91 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: Joe. 92 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: They actually look for her, and then they do this 93 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: standard turn her in as a missing person. She's an adult. 94 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: Here's the problem. We've gone to this before. She's a 95 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: thirty one year old, accomplished adult. She has the right 96 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 2: to be to disappear herself as she wants to. It 97 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 2: might not be what we'd want for her, but that's 98 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: what we say happened. So there you go. For a year. 99 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan. For a year, the family is looking 100 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 2: for a year. They're calling the police for updates. For 101 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 2: a year. They're organizing people to go out and look. 102 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: For a year. They are talking to homeless people, and 103 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 2: they mentioned this in some of the stories I've heard. 104 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: They went to the roughest sections of town. To find 105 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: out if maybe somehow she had a psychological break with 106 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 2: reality and is lost among the homeless population. And they 107 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: went there in the hours of the night when most 108 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: of us are sound asleep. They went into those areas 109 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: just at the thought that their daughter, their cousin, their 110 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: sisters would be there. And for a year they didn't 111 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: know Joe because the hospital said she checked herself out 112 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: and left. 113 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, how what a horrible set of circumstances. Particularly, you know, 114 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: this is one of the things that you know, I 115 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: think people make a sport of this comment sometimes, but 116 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: there are instances where where people will say things like, well, 117 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: we need to find them because they've got medical problems, 118 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, and that might be a ruse or whatever 119 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: the case might be, just try to get their hands 120 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: on the person. That's the case here, you know, with 121 00:07:54,960 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: with miss Peterson, she she had been and she was ten, dave, 122 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: she'd been diagnosed with type one diabetes. 123 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: And just give us a breakdown of what Yeah, okay. 124 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: Well i'll tell you. I'll tell you specifically. In other words, 125 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: her pancreas would not produce insulin period, all right, And 126 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: that's at a baseline. We have to have insulin in 127 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: order to survive and her pancreas for whatever reason, whether 128 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: it's a genetic predisposition, whatever it is, when she was ten. 129 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: You know, she's diagnosed with this condition, and there are 130 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: all kinds of peripheral medical problems that come along with us. 131 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: You had mentioned the surgical intervention for her foot. It's 132 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: one thing if you injure your foot, If you don't 133 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: have diabetes, okay, but you injure your foot and maybe 134 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: you've got an open wound. Well, the next thing you know, 135 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: you've got a doctor looking at you saying, we're gonna 136 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: have to amputate your foot, all right, and the vessels 137 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: begin to collapse. There's cardiovascular problems that come about. Uh, 138 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: there's a real diminishment many times the body on I've 139 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: heard I heard one person describe it at one point 140 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: in time as if the body almost tries to digest itself, 141 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, and so they Many times, if you're not 142 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: real vital, you're not on top of it. This condition, 143 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: it it gives you this kind of very wasting appearance, 144 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: you know, uh, drawn thin. Many times you have to 145 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: be really on top of the circumstances relative to your 146 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: own personal health. I've got a number of friends that 147 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: have type one diabetes and they actually have insulin pumps 148 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: that you know, are attached to a belt loop or whatever, 149 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: and you'll see them every now and then, you know, 150 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: and they're they have sensors, you know, that can give 151 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: them an indication and when they're out of balance, and 152 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: they have to be very careful about what they ingest. 153 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: You know. It's there are a lot of people that 154 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: have type two diabetes or have the precursors, you know, 155 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: those sorts of things. They'll still eat like they want. 156 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: They can get a bump of insulin from an injection 157 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: or however it is that they receive it, and it'll 158 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: put them back on balance. That's not the case with 159 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: type one. Some people refer to it as juvenile diabetes 160 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: because it's something that you develop when you're young. There 161 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: are people that are adults that develop Type one, but 162 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: for the most part, and she fits right in that bracket, 163 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: doesn't she She's ten years old, David. This is something 164 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: going back to the family in this case. This is 165 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: something that her mother, God bless her. I saw an interview. 166 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: I was watching an interview with mom. This is a 167 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: fight they've been fighting together her entire life, and it 168 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: sounds like they were very close. 169 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: Mom and daughter were. 170 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: I mean, she's calling her mom to come pick me up, 171 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: you know, from the hospital, and this is a fight 172 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: they've been fighting for a long time. And now the 173 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: daughter checks into the hospital for what has been described 174 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: as a diabetic event, because sometimes it gets so bad 175 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: that you need to have around the clock monitoring, you know, 176 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: check your sugars and all these sorts of things. And 177 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: she had had enough. I mean, like many of us, 178 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, you go to the hospital. You know, after 179 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: a few days, it's like I think, I'm and this 180 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: is a person that would really know her body. 181 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 2: You know, this is not an idiot, Joe. This is 182 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: no very accomplished woman. Very much that you pointed this out, 183 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 2: I understand so much better because I did have some 184 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: questions in my head as to what was going on. 185 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 2: So she had been in the hospital a couple of 186 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: months earlier, in January with she did have a diabetic event, 187 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 2: and I mentioned a few minutes ago she did have surgery, 188 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: you know, year prior. But by the time it rolls 189 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 2: around here and mom is coming to get her at 190 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: the hospital, she knows her body. She's had her filla 191 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: bey in the hospital and she's leaving. Okay, I get 192 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 2: that now, I understand, But I don't understand how mom 193 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: shows up and they give her the she checked herself out. 194 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: We don't know where she is. I mean, why would 195 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: we know she left on her own against doctor advice? 196 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and when that's an interesting thing because this is 197 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: what's commonly referred to as AMA. And for those of 198 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: you that have never been in a hospital environment, or 199 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: maybe it's a situation in your own life where you 200 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: have you've had all you can stand, you don't feel 201 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: like you're receiving the treatments you want, or the treatment 202 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: is so horrible you're like, look, anything is better than this. 203 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: I'm checking myself out. And what they will ask you 204 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: to do is they will ask you to sign a 205 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:14,599 Speaker 1: paper that says I'm leaving against medical advice or that AMA. 206 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: They're saying, look, you need to stay here for your 207 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: own good. And I can assume that she was probably 208 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: being followed by a team of physicians. Certainly, you know 209 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: nowadays it's hard to find when you go to hospital. 210 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: They're populated by what are called hospitalists now, and hospitalists 211 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: are It's not like the old days where you would 212 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: have your own personal physician and they would have privileges 213 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: at the hospital, and I guess they still do have privileges, 214 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: but you're going to be treated by what's referred to 215 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: as a hospitalist, and they're like all things to all people. 216 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: They're supposed to manage the healthcare of the individual that 217 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: is an endpatient, and they'll be called up to ICU, 218 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: they'll be called, you know, perhaps to the adolescent war 219 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: If somebody has got their post surgical and they're in 220 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: the hospital, that doctor is physically what they're referred to 221 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: as being in the house, and the hospital actually pays them. 222 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: Some people are fans of this, some or not. I've 223 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: heard both sides of it over the years, because you don't, 224 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's one thing, and plus people get used 225 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: to having their own doctor. You know. The best doctor 226 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: I ever had was this guy that was he's now 227 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: retired Dave. He could treat just about anything, and he 228 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: was an old country doctor and the kind that you 229 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: know would give it to you straight. You need to 230 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: stop eating like you're eating, or we're going to do 231 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: this for you, or this is the advice. Or my 232 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: friend over here is a great specialist. I'm going to 233 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: say those those people don't exist so much as they 234 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: used to, I don't think, in my opinion, but she 235 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: would have been followed probably by I hope, by an intercarnologist, 236 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: who an intercarnologist is an individual, and she would have 237 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: had to have had one on the outside that's following 238 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: her specifically for the treatment of her type one diabetes. 239 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: But I know this. You're talking about a woman, Jesse 240 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: Murray Peterson, who had a great relationship we believe, with 241 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: her mother, a great relationship with her sisters, and all 242 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: of a sudden she just walks away from it all 243 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: a life that she had built, a life that she 244 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: had struggled to form in spite of type one diabetes. 245 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: Let's you know my thought about this, Dave. You know, 246 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: after you know, doing these this reading about this case 247 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: is so bizarre. Again, this is one of these cases 248 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: that didn't really you know, it didn't hop up on 249 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: my radar. It just kind of appeared. I think it 250 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: was actually where I saw it was actually a People 251 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: of All Things People magazine article. They still call themselves 252 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: a magazine. I'm not sure, but. 253 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 2: I will tell you I've noted it when we when 254 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 2: I've seen information I've noted people magazine, and I'm like, 255 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: I don't think it's right, but yeah, yeah, but you 256 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: know why we saw this, It's the same reason we 257 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: saw the one about the Satanist ear eater. A lawsuit 258 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: was filed. 259 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: A lawsuit has been filed in this case as well. 260 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: I think that you know, there are a lot of 261 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: frivolous lawsuits out there, buddy, this ain't frivolous. This is 262 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: this is something that yeah, I think that this is 263 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: certainly justified. But you know, she's this is taking place 264 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: in uh In, California, up in Carmichael, California, and kind 265 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: of set in the stage here. Jesse had previously been 266 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: a prosecutor in Placer County, California. Now this is far 267 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: northern California. I've never been able to really understand how, 268 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: you know, Californians divide the state up. You know, they're 269 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: very sectional. But this is near the Nevada border, or 270 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: Placer County is near the Nevada border where she was 271 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: a prosecutor. Mountainous terrain, probably very very beautiful high desert 272 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: maybe in some of those locations up there. But to 273 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: that point she had had all she could stand. She 274 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: had been admitted back on April the sixth, twenty three, 275 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: and I think that it was like at two thirty 276 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: in the afternoon on the eighth, she says, you know, 277 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to call Mama and have her come pick 278 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: me up. I've had all that I can stand. 279 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: At the point, you pointed out something Joe about her 280 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 2: being diagnosed with type one diabetes as a ten year old, 281 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: and we're talking about somebody who has lived with diabetes 282 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 2: for twenty one years and has been hospitalized for diabetic 283 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 2: events in the past. So she has a much better 284 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 2: understanding of her body and what's working and what's not 285 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: than I would have, I think. And she calls her 286 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 2: mom at two thirty. Mom arrives two hours later, and 287 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 2: I need to pay attention to this. At four twenty 288 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: seven pm, Jesse Peterson was pronounced dead at the hospital. 289 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 2: Now her mother is arriving to take her home. Jesse 290 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: has called her at two thirty, Come get me mom 291 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 2: out of here. When she arrives, Jesse's mother is told 292 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: she signed herself out and left against medical advice Ama, 293 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: as you mentioned. But at four twenty seven pm, she 294 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: had been pronounced dead. 295 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: So gim me just hang on, hang on one second, 296 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: just so I can get this right in my mind. Yeah, 297 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: good luck. Gim me. Can you give me the time 298 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: frame here again? From are we talking literally two hours 299 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: from the moment? Is it roughly two hours from the 300 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: moment she called mama And then you're saying that she's 301 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: pronounced dead at this point in tom and Mama shows 302 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: up and she's being told Ama. 303 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: Right, that's exactly what happened. I know it sounds messed up, 304 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 2: but that is exactly what happened. Okay, two thirty phone call, 305 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: come get me. Mom gets herself together, you know, and 306 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: comes to get her at the hospital. She arrives sometime 307 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 2: around after four point thirty in the afternoon. We don't 308 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 2: know exactly what time she arrived at the hospital. We 309 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 2: do know it was about approximately two hours after the 310 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: phone call, and we know that Jesse was already dead 311 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: according to the hospital. 312 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me tell you something real quick about about 313 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: the set of circumstances. This is not like you've got 314 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: somebody that has got, say, for instance, Lord bless them, 315 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: but a terminal illness where everybody's gathered around their deathbed, 316 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: as it were, and you know, folks are saying their 317 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: goodbyes and all those sorts of things that come along 318 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: with those unfortunate circumstances where you know, we lose loved ones. 319 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: They were talking about a woman who is verbal. Okay, 320 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: it's not like she's on ICU with you know, feeding 321 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: to or she's on event you know where she can't. 322 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: We're talking about someone that has just called her mother. Dave, 323 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: Can I tell you what's going to happen with somebody 324 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: like her? 325 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: Because I can't figure it out, Joe, it's hard. 326 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: Let me, well, let me just kind of let me 327 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: kind of lay out the space and time, okay, because 328 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: this is something that would be so so documented to 329 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: the nth degree traditionally, because they would have had to 330 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: what's referred to as running a code on her. Now, 331 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: I know that people have seen movies and these sorts 332 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: of things where you know you'll have like traditionally, the old, 333 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: the old way of doing things was when you're in 334 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: the hospital. If you ever heard the term code blue, 335 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: and this is I don't know that it's worldwide, it 336 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: was certainly nationwide. You know when you heard code blue, 337 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: anybody that was that was certified in advanced life support, 338 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: which is a course that you have to go through. 339 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: Doctors go through it, nurses go through it, everybody that 340 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: is part of a team to try to keep somebody alive. 341 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: And this is advanced resuscitation essentially, is what they're We're 342 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: going far beyond here just doing chess compressions, Okay, we're 343 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: talking about pushing drugs and you know, using the paddles 344 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: and doing all this sort of thing. When that call 345 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: goes out, however it's coded at the hospital, you would 346 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: have a flurry of activity where these people are rushing 347 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: to this location and depend upon where she is, there 348 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: would be a crash cart. And the reason I'm telling 349 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: you this is that this thing is so documented. These 350 00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: events are so very documented because there are doctor's notes, 351 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: nurses notes. If they've got respiratory team there, their notes 352 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: are there. And then you've got somebody that is generally 353 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: it's going to be a nurse that's responsible for that 354 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: crash cart. The crash cart is locked down and so 355 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: it's got certain drugs in it that have to be 356 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: administered and then it has to be replenished because you 357 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: don't know when the next the next code is going 358 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: to be, so all You've got all of this documentation 359 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: that's taking place, and Mama shows up within a two 360 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: hour window and she doesn't. They're saying she's left Ama. 361 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: This is not like some patient with dementia or something 362 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: that's just wandered off the campus of the hospital. We're 363 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: talking about a young woman who had had a conversation 364 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: that requested her mother to come and pick her up, 365 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, she vanishes into thin air. 366 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: She's no longer there. I gotta tell you, you know, 367 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to bury the lead here, but I 368 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: got to tell you if just say, for instance, someone 369 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: in a similar case, we're so inclined to file a 370 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: lawsuit about this. There is so much documentation that is 371 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: going to back up the activities of those individuals that 372 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: were involved in this, because it's almost like it's almost 373 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: if you've ever been to a play. Okay, like just 374 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: think of the most meticulously planned play that you've ever 375 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: sat in that and you're thinking, how in the world 376 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: they do that. This is like everyone on these teams 377 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: knows their job, and they have specific marks they have 378 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: to hit at specific times in order to facilitate the 379 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: most important thing in and that's preservation of life. And 380 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: it is so meticulously documented, David. That's why it baffles 381 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: me that anyone would put forth the idea that, yeah, 382 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: she's she's AMA. She walked out of the hospital. You know, 383 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: I don't know she got in a cab or called 384 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: an uber or whatever the case might be, a horse 385 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: drawne carriage. I have no idea, but she's AMA. She 386 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: signed herself out, she's gone. Really, you know, you're the mom. 387 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: You're thinking really, And I just. 388 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: Talked to her two hours ago. She told me to 389 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 2: come and get her. That's why I'm here. Now you're 390 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 2: saying she left. 391 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: It makes no sense. 392 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 2: No, it boggles the mind, Joe. 393 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: But here's can I throw in one more thing here, 394 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: because if we're assuming that they're not using I'm assuming 395 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: not you. I don't want to throw you into the 396 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: same kettle of fish with me, but I'm assuming that 397 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: talk about documentation, these phone calls that were made were 398 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: probably done over cellular devices. Those are markers in time, 399 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: you know, you know, when when this all comes down, 400 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, because this is a lawsuit, they're going to 401 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,479 Speaker 1: pull those records and they're going to say, you know, ma'am, 402 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: we understand that you called your daughter at approximately this time. 403 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: We've pulled these records. By the way, here can you 404 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: show us approximately you know when you spoke with your 405 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: daughter and boom there is it's a digital marker. And 406 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: who by the way, if you pull the records for 407 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: Jesse's phone, it's going to show that boom, she answered 408 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: the phone call, or that Jesse called her. Rather, I've 409 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: got this backwards. Jesse calls her, come and get me, mama, 410 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: And you've got these two people that are communicating that 411 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: seem to line up. You take just the digital data 412 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: alone and marry that up with the code information I 413 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: was referring to where she goes into cardiac arrest, because 414 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: that's what would have happened. I don't think they just 415 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: merely found her dead in the hallway, you know, and 416 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: didn't attempt to do anything. Whether they would have attempted 417 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: to resuscitate her, there would have been a whole team involved. 418 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: And here's the other thing. When it comes down to 419 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: a lawsuit, Dave, every single person that was involved in 420 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 1: this case will receive a subpoena. They will go into 421 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:51,479 Speaker 1: a courtroom and they will be directly questioned by the 422 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: attorney that's handling this case for the family. I don't 423 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: know what their defense is going to be, but I 424 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: got to tell you I think they're going to have 425 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: quite the uphilt out of here. So your child, and 426 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: trust me, there's still a child thirty one years old. 427 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: You're a mama. This is somebody that you love. You're invested, 428 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: all right, you love them, and particularly you've been on 429 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: this journey with them of type one diabetes. You understand. Okay, 430 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: you show up and your daughter, who's you know, by 431 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: all indications, is in her right mind when she contacts you, 432 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: she's vanished. David, I got to ask you a question 433 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: as as a daddy. Let me let me throw this 434 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: out to you. Your child calls you and says, come 435 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: and pick me up at the hospital. Brother? What and 436 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: they're not there? And you know that they've got a 437 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: critical medical issue that you know needs to be tended to. 438 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: They've also previously got a foot injury. What are you 439 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: gonna do? I got to ask you, what you know, 440 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: knee jerk reaction here? You know, kind of what what 441 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: would be your your initial response here? 442 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 2: The same as you I'm going to start looking. And 443 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 2: I thought about this because mom shows up to pick 444 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 2: her up. She's fully expecting her probably to be sitting 445 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 2: in the lobby area ready to go, or out front. 446 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 2: I mean, she's not expecting to go to the room 447 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: and find her laying in bed, not ready to go, 448 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 2: because she said I'm ready to go, come get me. 449 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: So when when mom shows up and she is told 450 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,959 Speaker 2: she's not here, she laughed, She checked herself out against 451 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: medical advice and left. Now the knee jerk is going, 452 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: I believe is the same for all of us. I'm 453 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 2: going to stop messing with the hospital. I'm going to 454 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 2: believe that what they're telling me is the truth, and 455 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: I I'm going to react accordingly. My first thought, I'm 456 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 2: looking around the parking lot. Yep, I'm going to look. 457 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: Is there a way she would have started walking? You know, 458 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: why did she not wait for me to get here? 459 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: She knew I was coming. It's only been a couple 460 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 2: hours since we talked. How far could she have gotten 461 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 2: what transpired that? I don't know. But you're going to 462 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 2: believe that the hospital is being truthful. So immediately you're 463 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 2: not going to start grilling them and let me see 464 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 2: your charts, let me see you know, you're not gonna 465 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 2: do that yet. You're going to do that later on, 466 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 2: but right now you're looking, You're calling family. Hey man, 467 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: she checked herself out and I can't find her. So 468 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 2: it's going to start like that. You're you're really going 469 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 2: to think, I'm going to find her out here somewhere, 470 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 2: she's just mad. I mean, those are the basic things 471 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: I'm thinking as a parent, and then it's going to 472 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 2: go from that. 473 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you a question real quick. Have 474 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: you ever left a hospital mad? Yeah, I've been in 475 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: a position where I don't care if I had to 476 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: drag myself out of my bloody stumps. Yeah, I'm out 477 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: of place. But yeah, yeah, I mean, and yeah, that's 478 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: that's certainly plausible. You've had a nuance. 479 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's what I'm thinking as a parent. 480 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: You know. 481 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 2: Now, the other part of this is what we don't know. 482 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 2: We know that the relationship between mother and daughter is 483 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 2: very strong here because you mentioned this, and it's very important. 484 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: For twenty one years, mom and daughter have been bonded 485 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 2: together over type one diabetes. This is not something you 486 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 2: can ignore or take a break from. You don't get 487 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: a vacation from this medical malady. You actually have this 488 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: every day from the time you wake up till the 489 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 2: time you go to sleep and during your sleeping hours. 490 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 2: As a parent, we are concerned about our child. No 491 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 2: matter how old they get, no matter how accomplished they become, 492 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,959 Speaker 2: they still have this underlying medical issue that requires constant attention. 493 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: So she knows all these things, that relationship is, that 494 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 2: medical drama, that is an everyday thing. So Mom's concerned 495 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 2: what happened and where is she? So you're not going 496 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 2: to go into the hospital files yet because you're going 497 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 2: to be looking for her right away and after you 498 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 2: don't immediately find it. This is just me. You got 499 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 2: a couple hours tied up. Let's check all the basic 500 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: places where we think she would go. Let's call all 501 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 2: the friends we can think of that she would reach 502 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 2: out to. But then there's going to be nobody has 503 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 2: heard from her a senior since I talked to her 504 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 2: two hours before I showed up to pick her up. 505 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 2: And so now you go back to the hospital, Well, 506 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: probably report her to the police missing. They get brought 507 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 2: in fairly early on, and because of the medical issue, 508 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 2: we need help finding her. And it's only going to 509 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 2: be after that that you go back to the hospital 510 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 2: and say, okay, now you're going to show me the 511 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: charts and reports of everything you described a few minutes ago, 512 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 2: and that's where you're going to actually start getting into 513 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 2: a full accounting of a minute my minute timeline to 514 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 2: determine where she is. And again from the hospital standpoint, Joe, 515 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 2: she left. We don't know. It's like a third grader 516 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 2: giving mom and dad an answer as to why they 517 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 2: fail the test. 518 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: Let me tell you where this actually breaks down in 519 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: kind of the structure of the hierarchical structure within the hospital. 520 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: It's not going to be it could be the physician 521 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: that reaches out that is the attending the hospitalist. But 522 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,959 Speaker 1: if this is a hospitalist, keep in mind, this individual 523 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: moves on to the next case, okay, And that's not 524 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: an excuse, that's just the reality. You know, they move 525 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: on down the line. You know where this really breaks 526 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: down is a social worker, because you've got there's a 527 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: whole group of people within the hospital that are there 528 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: for the care of families and also making arrangements for 529 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: individuals that have difficulties in their lives or just you know, 530 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: post hospital treatment. You know, they make everybody aware and 531 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: so in my experience, the social worker that works in 532 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: the hospital, and they are assigned, they're employed by the hospital. 533 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: They're the ones that are actually task with contacting the 534 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: family and making sure that the family understands everything. Well, 535 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: we're still we're at a point right now, Dave, where 536 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: she's dead, Jesse's dead, all right, this is now you're 537 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: at a point who who did not check these boxes? 538 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: Relative to did did some people just assume that someone 539 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: else was going to do this? You know, after you 540 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: have this this flourish, this, you know, this event with 541 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: a code, they're going back to restocking the you know, 542 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,919 Speaker 1: the the crash cart. They're wrapping the body and what's 543 00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: referred to as a morg pack, which prepa he or 544 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: somebody to go to the morgue. 545 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 2: Okay, I was gonna say, you got to tell me 546 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,720 Speaker 2: what that is because I don't know. But just fyi, Joe, 547 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 2: let's just let's cut to the meat of this. Yeah, 548 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 2: the hospital tells the family she left on her own, 549 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 2: but she didn't ever leave. She's dead at the hospital 550 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 2: and they start a cover up fairly early on. I'm 551 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 2: an alleged cover up maybe mainly Yeah, I want to 552 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 2: be clear that the family for a year is looking 553 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 2: for jesse Marie Peterson, thirty one year old Type one 554 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 2: diabetic lawyer. Okay, they're looking for her everywhere for a year. 555 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 2: Can you imagine that, Joe. We cover missing persons stories 556 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 2: a lot with Nancy Grace, and usually it ends up 557 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 2: really bad where we eventually find the body. In this case, 558 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,320 Speaker 2: they never find her body anywhere. They're looking everywhere. It 559 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 2: is a year and four days later that the family 560 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 2: gets a call from a detective. Remember I told you 561 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 2: they did go to the police, and they did report 562 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 2: her missing, and the local police did their job at 563 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 2: trying to find a missing adult with a medical issue. 564 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 2: A year and four days after mom shows up to 565 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 2: pick her daughter up at the hospital, the detective calls 566 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 2: and says, hey, we found her. She's dead and the 567 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 2: hospital knew. Now, Joe, I want you to tell me 568 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 2: what happened to the body of jesse Marie Peterson. 569 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: At this point, when she has been declared dead, Dave, 570 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 1: they would have prepared her body to take her to 571 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: their more facility in this hospital. And this hospital is 572 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: actually Mercy San Juan Hospital, and it's in Sacramento County, California. 573 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: And that's who the police eventually had gotten involved in 574 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: this case to try to try to determine what happened 575 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: to her, because you know, they're working this thing as 576 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: a missing person's case. After they have gone through this 577 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: detective has gone through interviewing people, probably requesting medical records, 578 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:24,399 Speaker 1: trying to understand the timeline, they have this kind of epiphany. 579 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 1: I can only imagine where they're saying. It's very dramatic 580 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,879 Speaker 1: when you think about it. She never left the hospital, 581 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: so kind of narrows it down as far as the 582 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: search goes. You've had mom, you've had friends, you've had 583 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: extended family that have been trying. They're exhausting every possibility 584 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: here to try to find her. For mind, you, I 585 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: have to restate what you've stated for over a year, Dave, 586 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: for over a year, and all the while she had 587 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: never left the hospital. She had not just simply gone 588 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: into And here's the really, here's the real rub with this. 589 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:13,399 Speaker 1: They didn't just take her to the MORK. They took 590 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: her to a location within the hospital that is a 591 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: long term cult storage unit. And that's going to be 592 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: different than like if Grandma dies up on ICU and 593 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 1: you're waiting for the funeral home to come and pick 594 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: the body up and remove. Okay, when you place a 595 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 1: body into a storage you know, a cult storage unit 596 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: within the hospital you're talking about, you have made a determination. 597 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: This is an active choice that you're making. Here. You're saying, well, 598 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: we've one of two things. We either our perception is 599 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: she doesn't have family, and we don't know what to 600 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,439 Speaker 1: do with the body. Which at that point in time, 601 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: the corner should have been notified and have stepped in 602 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: because they would have brought all of their resources to 603 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: bear and I can imagine Sacramento County Sheriff's Office investigator 604 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: had reached out to the corner as well, was this 605 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: case ever reported to you? That would have been one 606 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: of the first steps. And then they have to make 607 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: a decision about what they're going to do with her body. So, 608 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: after they've prepared her body in a morg pack, which 609 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,760 Speaker 1: sometimes the variable it's plastic sheeting a body is sometimes 610 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: a body will actually look like a mummy wrapped in 611 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 1: plastic where the feet are tied off with external strings, 612 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: the hands are tied inside. The inside the packaging, there's 613 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: a gauze that goes around the head to hold the 614 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: jaw in place all of these sorts of things, and 615 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: sometimes they'll just place them into a body bag and 616 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: then they're going to take them to this storage unit. 617 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: Which for me, if you're placing a body into cold storage, 618 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: what you're saying is all hope is lost. We don't 619 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: know where the family is, this individual is indigent or 620 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: two we got to try to figure this out because 621 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 1: we fail to contact the next ken or let mama 622 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: know within two hours of her having called and had 623 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: contact with her, and it was just left just kind 624 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: of pushed off into the ether there where you're thinking, well, 625 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: no one's going to miss her, no one has shown 626 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: back up to claim her. But all the while, you 627 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,360 Speaker 1: know Mama's out there looking for her now along with 628 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:54,800 Speaker 1: the police and Dave. What this cold storage does to 629 00:40:55,120 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: human remains. We many people have this perception that if 630 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 1: you that if you take a body and you place 631 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: the body into a cooler, okay, that the body goes 632 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: into this kind of stasis where nothing changes with the body. 633 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: Nothing could be further from the truth. Okay. 634 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 2: That messes with me, that that really does, because I 635 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 2: assumed that Joe, I really did think that if you 636 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 2: pass away and you're put in something that will keep 637 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 2: you chill. You know that that everything stays the same, 638 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 2: and that they can look at you two years later 639 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 2: and figure out what happened. I didn't I thought that 640 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 2: would happen, just because you know, I just thought that. 641 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm an idiot, But no, what 642 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 2: actually happened? 643 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,879 Speaker 1: I mean, why would you know that? I mean, most 644 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: people don't know. I'm glad that most people don't know it. 645 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: But you know, I've you. 646 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 2: Know, you're saying worse than that. It's the opposite of that. 647 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: Well it is. And here's one of the big things. Uh, 648 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: with cold storage of bodies. What happens, As we all know, 649 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: there's limited humidity. Okay, so the body is not retaining 650 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,800 Speaker 1: any kind of moisture at this point. So the body 651 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: begins to dry out. Essentially, now the body is cold, 652 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: all right, it's cold storage. You're not going to have 653 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: the profound, decompositional odor that you would if say, someone 654 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: was left out, a body was left out and was 655 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:43,439 Speaker 1: not cold stored, and it knocks that down. However, there's 656 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:48,760 Speaker 1: a price to be paid. The body will be almost 657 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 1: it will have a parchment like appearance. You'll see like 658 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: the fingertips that we've talked about this with the mummification, 659 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: remember well, it's kind of the same principle in the 660 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,840 Speaker 1: sense that the body, because of the lack of humidity 661 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 1: in this cold, cold environment, which most cold storage is 662 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: colder than a standard more crypt because you don't you 663 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: don't want to put a body. You don't want to 664 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: put a body in cold storage unless they're going to 665 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: be there for a protracted period of time. Remember, most 666 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,879 Speaker 1: of the dead that we deal with are fresh dead, 667 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,840 Speaker 1: and they're going to be released directly, you know, to 668 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: a funeral home. And even after we're done with autopsies 669 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: and things like that, the funeral home can still work 670 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: with the body, you know, to get the body presentable 671 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,799 Speaker 1: for viewing and all that goes along with that. But 672 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: with cold storage, one of the things that you'll see 673 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:48,239 Speaker 1: that's so profound the eyes. Actually, you know, you hear 674 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: about people having sunken eyes. This is the absolute truth 675 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 1: that the eyes do sink back into the head. And 676 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: that's because there's a lack of moisture in the body. 677 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,839 Speaker 1: So just that in and of it, in and of itself, 678 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: that presentation, you would have a very difficult time trying 679 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, resurrect any kind of appropriate 680 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,320 Speaker 1: appearance for the body, just based on the eyes alone. 681 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 1: I've seen this over and over again throughout my career 682 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 1: with bodies that have been in long term storage. Secondly, 683 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 1: the color of the skin changes. You will actually have 684 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,360 Speaker 1: bodies that and these temperatures can get very very cold, 685 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: they're sub freezing. The bodies will actually develop a red 686 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,799 Speaker 1: hue to them that's indicative of like freezer burn Like 687 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: you've heard the term freezer burned. You know that you have. 688 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 1: There's not a dime's worth of difference between something that 689 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 1: you would put into a deep freeze and deep freezing 690 00:44:54,560 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: a human remain. So when in fact her body is 691 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:06,799 Speaker 1: finally found and located in the hospital, which now, Dave, 692 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,759 Speaker 1: we're talking, correct me if I'm wrong, in excess of 693 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty. 694 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 2: Five days, we're talking sixty nine. 695 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,280 Speaker 1: Three hundred and sixty nine days since she was last 696 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:23,879 Speaker 1: known alive, she will have gone a long way down 697 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,919 Speaker 1: the path of change. And when they found her, Dave, 698 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: when they finally located her body in this hospital, her 699 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 1: remains are not viewable. So let's think about what this 700 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 1: mama has been through. First off, she's been through. My 701 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 1: daughter calls me because she no longer wants to be here. 702 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: She shows up, she's told that your daughter's not here. 703 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 1: She left Ama against medical advice. Now she's in a fever, 704 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,759 Speaker 1: trying to find her daughter, flipping over every rock that 705 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,760 Speaker 1: she possibly can out there. It's a poor woman living 706 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,759 Speaker 1: every night thinking, oh, my lord, has she been kidnapped? 707 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,240 Speaker 1: Has she been killed? Has is she wandering the streets? 708 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,160 Speaker 1: She doesn't have her medication because again I bring us 709 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: back to Jesse being ten years old and Mama having 710 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,320 Speaker 1: to watch over and take care of all of these needs. 711 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 1: She's been wringing her hands for a year. Oh and 712 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,120 Speaker 1: then by the by, she gets the call from the 713 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: Sacramento Sheriff's office from a detective that tells her we 714 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 1: found your daughter. I wonder, just for a moment, maybe 715 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:47,840 Speaker 1: there was a spark of hope, just in that little 716 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:56,280 Speaker 1: second perhaps where Mama thought, maybe there's still a chance. 717 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 1: She didn't realize that when the have told her that. 718 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:09,920 Speaker 1: To add insult to injury, she discovers that her daughter's 719 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 1: body is so badly decomposed that they couldn't view her. 720 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,320 Speaker 1: They couldn't view her they couldn't grieve her. They couldn't 721 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:35,399 Speaker 1: mourn her. She had been placed into that cult storage unit. 722 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,839 Speaker 1: I'd like to know what else was in that cult 723 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 1: storage unit. I'd like to know was she stored with 724 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:50,239 Speaker 1: other things? Whereas there more than just Jesse's mortal remains 725 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:58,879 Speaker 1: contained within there is under the sun. There is no explanation, 726 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,920 Speaker 1: there is no excuse use that can be made for 727 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:08,560 Speaker 1: the decisions that were made. They say that broken hearts 728 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: never mend. This is sole crushing, absolutely soul crushing, and 729 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:24,760 Speaker 1: like it or not, the people at the hospital, the administrators, 730 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,399 Speaker 1: the medical staff, the doctor that didn't sign the death 731 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:36,920 Speaker 1: certificate for over a year, they're going to have to 732 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:42,359 Speaker 1: stand and deliver because they will receive a subpoena. They 733 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,480 Speaker 1: will go to a courthouse and they will have to 734 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,520 Speaker 1: explain themselves under oath. There will be more to come 735 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 1: in this case, and I hope that we can follow 736 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 1: up on it until then, I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and 737 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 1: this is body facts.