WEBVTT - All Ball - NFL Draft Dreams + Draft Behind-The-Scenes with Andy Phillips 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:08.880 Hey, what up. Welcome in. I'm Doug goli But this 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.280 is all ball man. We're back and we got a 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:16.159 ton a ton of pods in the pipeline for you. 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:19.040 I want to give you a couple thoughts on the 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:22.680 KD thing, on the Kyrie thing, I guess, on the 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:25.639 DeAndre Ayten thing, right, the DeAndre Etan thing is the 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:29.240 newest thing where wait, so Phoenix didn't want DeAndre Aten 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:33.760 and then they match a deal with the Indiana Pacers 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:37.840 and it The whole thing is bizarre, right, the whole 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.800 thing is, especially the way their season ended last year. 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:44.960 Maybe they've convinced themselves they can win with a traditional, 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:49.199 more traditional NBA center. And Chris Paul was the problem. 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:53.120 I don't know, but you play this game of chicken. 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:55.520 Most people thought that he was potentially a sign and 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.840 trade trade bait and he ends up getting a gigantic 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:00.920 deal that you match and now you can't trade him 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.920 until January. Wow. That just does not feel like the 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:08.959 Suns as well run an organization as they have been 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.840 since they basically hired Monty Williams. Right, that's that was 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.840 part of the turn in this organization. You go back 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.600 to the bubble they're laws to bubble that one does not. 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.880 One means they're out of the Kadi sweepstakes, and two 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:26.200 that's a really hard like cap to put back on, 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.160 you know, I mean, the genie is out of the 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.720 bottle based upon how it ended and many of the 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:37.720 alleged feelings on that team about DeAndre Aden or like 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:41.200 in the organization about DeAndre Ayden. So I'm not saying 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:46.120 Aden stings. I don't believe that you're going to be 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.840 able to win big with him because of his lack 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.200 of versatility. That's what the league is all about. But 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.040 I could be wrong, and maybe they know more. But 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:56.920 if you don't love a guy and you end up 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:01.000 beholding to him and signing him, it's one thing. If 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.040 you're not a well or an organization, you're not competing 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:06.680 for a championship they are. Or maybe you need him 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.360 in the in the West because you have Yokich at 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.760 the five right, and you feel like, hey, we're not 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.080 just going to have to go through Yokich. We have 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:15.880 to go through wise Been coming back. We have to 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:19.960 go through some traditional bigs. But I don't know. I 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.560 guess you know, Minnesota's got two bigs everybody's loading up 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.120 with big guys, even though the team that didn't have 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.560 big guys just won another championship. Right, all right, I'll 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.120 give you some thoughts on KD as well. You have 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:33.160 to you have to offer the moon, the stars in 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:35.520 the sun if you want him. And everybody's playing this 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.079 game of chicken and seem to be drawing the line 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.200 and said, hey, we're not going to offer everything for 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.760 Kevin Durant. But look, the going rate is what Rudy 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.440 Gobert got plus some. The going rate is whatever the 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.000 Knicks have to give up to get Donovan Mitchell. The 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:53.200 going rate is going to be astronomical. The question is, really, 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.639 where does he end up since it's not going to 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.240 be Phoenix. I think I still think Miami fits. I 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:01.200 feel like he's part of that sort of you want 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.400 to call it heat culture that they call it. Yeah, 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.320 he loves the hoop, he loves the ball. That's one fits. 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.160 I just don't know if they have the assets and 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:09.919 the assets they do have the ones that he wants 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.720 to play with. I thought I thought you needed a 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:16.440 special treat for all ball. This This this is really good, 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:20.680 really really good. Andy Phillips joins me. Okay, Andy was 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.240 an undrafted free agent, had a cup of coffee in 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:26.639 the preseason with the Green Bay Packers. But this podcast, 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:34.119 many times is about the journey. Here's his You grew 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:40.360 up where Lansing, Michigan border race, so for most people 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:50.400 who are not Michiganians, Michiganeans, Michiganders, that's the unofficial word. Okay. 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:56.040 So is there a legit difference between Lansing and East Lansing. Yeah, 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.280 oh yeah, oh yeah, Doc, Yeah, So there is an 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.600 actual difference, not just directional. It is there are two 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:06.080 different cities, and Lansing is the capital. East Lansing is 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:09.360 a stone throw away. But there's absolutely a difference. So 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.000 I wouldn't say I grew up in Spartan country, but 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:17.120 my front door was ten minutes from the Breslin. Okay, 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.760 So were you a Hooper and a football player growing 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:23.960 up or just a football player? I did everything I did, basketball, football, 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.440 baseball kid growing up, got the high school and my 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:31.799 love was football, so I subbed out baseball for track 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.920 for three or four years, and I love all sports. 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.200 But yeah, I'm a huge, huge basketball fan, huge football fan. 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:43.200 But when you're six too even and a stock of 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.080 yer build. You kind of go more of the football 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:49.120 route than the basketball once you get rolling. Were always 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:52.280 a center. No, no, So you know what's funny is 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.360 I actually in high school I played My main position 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:58.160 was linebacker. I was I was this heights in eighth 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.040 grade and you know, by my senior year, I was 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:03.080 about two forty two fifty and I was playing inside 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.960 linebacker and fullback running back. Really once a Central Michigan 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:12.120 University is my only offer as a defensive end. You're skipping, 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.360 You're you're skipping. Don't don't skip. I won't skip, so no, 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:20.839 so don't skip. So you're playing inside linebacker, that's right 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:24.359 for your starter diversity. You playing fullbacker, you're running running, 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:28.920 started just pummeling dudes. That's it. But what's they actually are? 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:33.200 It's the only offensive position. I feel like that's like defense, 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:37.440 right because as much as as as pat run blocking, 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:38.920 I think a little bit to it, but you gotta 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:43.320 pass block and I was sif. But in terms of 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:48.599 just being able to take dudes out right, like like 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:52.800 football's here's my thing with football. Lots of guys will say, oh, well, 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:54.839 Lebron James wouldn't have been a good twelve players didn't 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:56.520 want to get hit. Nobody. Lots of guys don't want 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.440 to get hit. Now do they want to hit somebody's different? 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:01.920 No one says like, yeah, I can't wait to get earhold. Man. 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:08.359 That sounds like a good idea. But fullback sounds especially 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.479 for six two two forty in high school, that sounds 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.240 like a hell of a good time. And listen, you're 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:17.200 exactly right, because linebacker fullback of the same thing, get 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.680 the same objective. You're filling a gap and trying to 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:23.400 put your screws on somebody's chest and see who wins. 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.320 But you're right, ray Lewis did not like to be hit. 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.560 He liked to do the hitting. And when you're in 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:34.760 high school, to me that it really separates kids because 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:37.560 a third of the team is out there because their 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.400 parents are making them. The other third is out there 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.560 because they think they love football, and then there's the 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:44.839 third that actually do love football and want to go 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.640 out there. And listen, from the offensive line standpoint, they're 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.880 just saying, there's no greater feeling than moving a person 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.520 against their will from point A to point B. Well, 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.600 if you do the same thing when you're playing inside back, 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:00.200 er two because you can fill a hole and tat 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.080 you of running back and drive him either into the 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.200 ground a few feet or back that way. Either way, 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.960 it's the best feeling on the planet. Why were you 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.400 lightly recruited. I think there's a bunch of different reasons. 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.119 This was before Huddle. I mean, once Huddle came about 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.400 and college coaches could get any film, they wanted any 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.120 kid in the country like that and helped I was 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.800 in the air. I graduated twenty ten. That was still 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.800 mainly in the you gotta go to your summer camps 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.640 and you gotta send out your tapes. Well, first off, 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.840 I was a four year starter in the varsity school, 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.040 good basketball program, good track program. I was five and 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.840 thirty one at football, So we had a really poor 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:44.440 football program that time, especially hard to get recruited at 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:46.600 that point. Also, I think I was playing out of position. 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.640 I mean I was six two two forty and no 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:51.640 one saw my hand in the dirt, and I think 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:53.640 that would have probably helped my case a little more. 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.200 You know, I was getting recruited by Michigan State since 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.240 my freshman year. They're inviting me to games and all 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.760 that good stuff. But the day I think six two 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:07.200 wasn't six four two forty two fifty Playing linebacker wasn't 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:08.920 like seeing somebody with their hand in the dirt to 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:12.720 maybe see that creativity of can this guy play something else? 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.040 Can this defensive end? Can we bump him into a 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.760 three tack? Can we can this even a tight end? 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.360 Can we bump them down into the tiered off the line? 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:25.560 I think the combination of not getting great notoriety via 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.120 playing on a poor team and then probably being a 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.800 little bit out of position didn't help my recruiting case. 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.959 But you know, end of the day, got my one 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:36.800 offer and that's all I needed. So who recruited you 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:42.040 at at at Western Central Michigan? Yeah? That was sacrilege. 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:46.920 That zacrilege? Apologize who who recruits at Central? Bush Jones? 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:51.320 I was Butch Jones? Who was who is the position coach? 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:56.160 That was coach Strippling, who followed Buch Jones to Cincinnati 0:08:56.160 --> 0:09:00.800 and then Tennessee, and he was all about keeping defensive end. 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.080 I pushed Jones and his staff left a month before 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.679 signing day. I never played I never played for Wait 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:09.960 wait wait, wait, wait, So so you have one offer, 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:15.680 that's right, and then the coach leaves and what's what's 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.360 that like? Well, because so most guys open the recruitment 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:20.480 back up, I didn't have recruitment to open up. So 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:24.040 now I'm sitting there and I'm praying. I'm like let them. 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.520 I mean, Ball State would come in and talk to 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.520 me and just kind of like they weren't offering me, 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.439 they you know, keep me around. And so I'm just 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.559 seeing this way to see who Central Michigan hires. And 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:36.880 my hope was they were going to promote from within, 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:40.600 like maybe the maybe Strippling because he was the assistant 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.240 head coach, maybe just promote him and everything's good. Well, 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:46.960 they end up hiring Dan you knows, which was actually 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:50.360 good for me because he'd been the running back coach 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:52.439 of Michigan State for years and he'd been one of 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:54.360 the guys who would talk to me on those business 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:57.240 when I go out to every games. There was something 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.640 enough there and for him too. He's coming in three 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.640 weeks before signing day, needing to fill a class, so 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.440 I think he was in that was short enough time 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.560 where he needed to keep some of us than you 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.520 did you go in the spring or did you not 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.280 go until after graduation? No, didn't go to after graduation 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:20.080 end of June. Okay, so what are you still playing 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.840 on playing D line? Like, what is the what was 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.840 it like when Enos gets there? Yeah, so when Edos 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.760 got there, they wanted me to play. They were they 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:30.880 were talking about three tech. So I was the defensive 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:32.840 en days were done, those down to three tech. I 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:34.839 was coming off from the shoulder surgery in high school. 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:40.680 I had ac joint before my senior season. Played the 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.080 senior season, which idiotic looking back on it, but played 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.400 my senior season, needed the surgery after the season, and 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:49.360 then so I was rehabbing a little bit still going 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:53.320 into my summer at Central playing scout team defensive line. 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:58.199 Hurt the shoulder again towards the end of that year. 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:02.800 Help me out, Help me out in terms of the 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.360 difference when you're the change in three technique. Okay, now 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:09.280 again this is this is just I played football, but 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.160 obviously not the line. So here's how I'm visioning you 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:15.520 get there. You're two forty three technique, they're movie the inside. 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:19.240 It's like a run stopper, right, That's that's more. Okay, 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.920 that's your run stopper that has the ability to get 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.679 after the passer. A little bit. Are you lining up 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.880 over the guard of the center outside shoulder of the garden, 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:33.880 so you're between the guard the tackle, Okay, And did 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.040 they tell you, hey, dude, you're at two forty you 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.000 need to throw on however much weight. Meanwhile, you got 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.000 a shoulder, so there's a lot of lifting you can't do. 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.880 Like these things seem to go counterintuitive a little bit. Again, 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:50.280 this is more outso shot. So I was able to 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.080 come back from my senior year in high school for 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:56.360 the last handful of games of basketball season, probably heir 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.680 to early by one play playoffs, all that good stuff. 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.640 And I remember being on phone. I started getting away 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.240 because I knew, even if I was playing decent event, 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.080 they were going to want me in the two sixties. 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:07.640 So I was able to start lifting put on some weight. 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.520 And I remember a couple of weeks before I'm about 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:12.200 to head the central I get a call from the 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.560 new d line coach and he's asking what I'm wating, 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:15.680 and I said, at the time I was up to 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.760 two fifty seven. I was pretty thrilled. And I hear 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.400 you knows, coach, you knows in the background, yell tell 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.840 him he's got to eat more. Gotta get on more weight, 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.640 so they end up getting me up too by the 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:29.800 time I get there and through the summer. I probably 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.000 entered training camp in the two seventies and it wasn't 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:34.680 a bad way, but yeah, there was some lifts that 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.120 were still hurting the shoulder, and I don't know if 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.800 you've ever heard rac joint, but anything over the head. 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:44.920 So even a straight bench press a decline was actually 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:46.680 better just based on that. So I knew stuffing was 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:48.520 still wrong, but I was able to put on the 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.599 weight you might do. I was mainly a linebacker in 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:53.600 high school, so even defensive end was a little bit 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.440 of a transition. But then going down to the three tech, 0:12:56.360 --> 0:13:02.240 you realize ham placement means so much more than anything else. 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.760 At linebacker in high school, You're coming downhill and I'm 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:09.640 throwing forms and shoulders and head at people. Where when 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:11.400 you get the three tech and you're getting in there, 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.839 it gets College is all about where can I get 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.400 my hands on that guard on my target, on my 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:18.920 little target this big? Can I get them there faster? 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.120 And he gets his on me? And that was the 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.360 toughest thing taught for me to learn. While pairing that 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:28.959 with your feet as well. It's an incredible, incredible learning experience, 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.400 especially because now I'm that's my focus, right, But now 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:35.720 I got the offensive tackle during your fifteen pounds trying 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:37.720 to come down to me on a double team as well. 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:41.760 Incredible experience. However, little did I know while you're playing 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.400 scout team you spend most of your time actually with 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.960 the offensive line because you're their dummies during drifts. So 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:50.000 the offensive line coach going to look at me for 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:54.120 a few months and it wasn't point in time they 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:58.280 change your own at surgery end of the season on 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.840 the shoulder again, cleaned everything up, and then they moved 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:01.959 me at the very end of spring ball, so I 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.080 couldn't do anything spring ball. Actually from the surgery, I 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.920 had a blood clot in my arm and rehabbing all that. 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.000 All this stuff is a freshman you don't want because 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.200 the last thing you want as a freshman you're just 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.920 trying not to get forgotten about, you know what I mean, 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.520 because you can easily try and replace you. And I 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:21.280 ended up getting moved to April of my red shirt year, 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:23.720 and that was time to really put on some weight. 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:28.040 How far is this from home, our north? How often 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:33.880 did you go home freshman year, maybe once a month. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:35.440 I get home for a night and get a good meal, 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.560 and by the by the time your senior year, you 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.000 know what I mean, you got your friends up there. 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:43.880 You're acclimated more so, not nearly as much, but it 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.880 was there. It was far enough yet close enough. What 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.800 is what is the town? Like my pleasant is a 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.480 college town? It was when I was there. There's about 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.520 fifty thousand people in town and twenty five thousand or students, 0:14:55.960 --> 0:15:00.840 so in the summers it's a desert. It is. You 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.440 have your handful of great bars, great bars, and you 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.120 have a casino, and then you have the Chippewa River 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.680 and outside of that it's not much. But it's the 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.200 perfect place to go to college because it's great collegetown, 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:17.080 great fun, little bars. Casino there. I don't know why, 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.080 but it's only casino in Michigan. You'll have to be eighteen. 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.680 So if you want to go there and lose your 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.640 scholarship check in one night, you could. We tried to 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.640 avoid as much as possible. And then besides that, it 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.240 was just in the summers, though you had to you 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.320 could have your fun, but not no one else is 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.160 in town, but pretty much to fall athletes, and for 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.200 most of the summer the football players were the only 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.120 ones because even like the basketball team got a few, 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:44.080 you know, a month off or so, so you you 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:45.640 had to be on your piece and keys a little bit. 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.880 Best bar in mel Puss you said, there's some good bucks. 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.480 You're a little question. But if I had to pick one, 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:59.640 I'd say, Oh, Kelly's why, multiple reasons. Ay, two sides. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:06.120 You got the classic bar side, massive TVs. Pint Night 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:12.240 on Tuesday's that kind of atmosphere crossover to the other side. 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.560 It's called wayside, And that's more like the club experience 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.240 in my club. I mean, I'm not talking like nothing 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.680 you'd find in Vegas. I'm talking you'd find a small 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.200 town mouth pleasant. Oh yeah, let's listen. You had it 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:28.640 in Stillwater. Stillwater, you had you had the Tumbleweed, okay, 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.360 which is a couple miles outside of town. But then 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.680 you also had there's a club there. Oh man, I'm 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.520 I'm I'm blanking what the club was called. But there 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:38.760 was like a small like club there too, right, And 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:43.120 you go and postgame the football players are in there. 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:45.200 Then you go outside of the big country bar and 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.800 they're line dancing like crazy and you go back inside. 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.640 Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.640 the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.200 Radio dot com and within the iHeart Radio app. Search 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:02.680 f s are to listen live. So okay, So now 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:06.080 you're rolling into your second year, you're coming off from 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:10.680 shoulder surgery. What then, Now it's time to play some football. 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.800 And so I missed spring ball because I was rehabbing. 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:15.439 So I didn't even get the spring ball leading up 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.080 to my freshman season to get going on offensive line. 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.400 So I'm spending all summer. I basically was attached attached 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.920 to the hip to starting interior linement nam Darren Keaton, 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:26.760 who spent a little bit time with the Lions. I 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.000 attached myself to him and said, hey, I know you're 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.000 one of the brightest guys in the team. I'm gonna 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:35.520 follow your lead. Tell me how to be great. And 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:39.080 between him and the officsive line coach Mike Cummings legendary, 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.480 he had four different stints at such a Michigan. He's 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.840 now he just had both of our offensive tackles actually 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.560 from such missions past year, drafting second and third round, 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:49.800 and then he just went to University of Cincinnati's there's 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:52.719 no offensive line coach between those two. They got me 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.800 ready mentally for a training camp. And when I got 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.800 to training camp, you know, I got up to three 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:02.880 hundred how much of that was waterway and fell off fast. 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:04.119 I mean by the end of the season, I was 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.960 two seventy five. But I got up there, and it 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.040 was really just trying to show myself and listen, I 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:13.439 joked with my office one coach. For two years, I 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.200 was a linebacker playing off as a line My feet 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.840 were all over the place. I ended up on the groundboard. 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:20.480 I showed just trying to get after people. I busted 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:23.000 my tail to do so. And my key was learning 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.399 the playbook as fast as I possibly could, because listen, 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.639 if I'm wrong, I'll be wrong with my technique. And 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:30.680 learned that. But I wanted to make sure mentally I'm 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.200 on every check possible, because I won't see the field 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:36.480 to even make physical mistakes if I can't get there mentally. 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:38.719 So it was all learning all that kind of stuff, 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:40.320 all while trying to figure out in my center and 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:42.760 my guard and I both I can't play tackle. I'm short, 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:46.600 so learning and snap learning and do all this kind 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:48.680 of stuff. It was a whirlwin and I'll never get 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.600 the practice that it kind of clicked and everything was 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:54.240 coming together for me. I was starting to click during 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.879 training camp, well, those two day dog days, and I 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:00.720 remember the head coach just coaching. I was yelling over 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:04.960 to the offensive line area, basically saying, I don't know 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:06.560 who our five are going to be, but we better 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.760 have Phil Egineer. And I remember that moment was kind 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.320 of like, all right, I got some confidence role and 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.440 ended up I was a sixth man by the time 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:19.560 the season started, and injury happens, and I ended up 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.160 starting the last half of the season, and like I said, 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:26.040 started a center. Then I got moved to guard the 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.400 following year, so my next three years were there. But yeah, 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.639 so I started as a freshman the last five games 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.960 of the season at center, and like I said, last game, 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:37.639 I was probably two or seventy six pounds. Who's your 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:42.119 quarterback back? Then? It was Ryan Radcliffe, who he's a 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:45.359 good player. He was a you know, he was a 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.360 twenty five touchdown ten, big kind of guy, a really 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:53.800 good arm. He was the quarterback there for me first 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:57.840 two years. So what's that? What are those emotions, like 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:01.440 though to go from you kind of lost your freshman year, 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:06.440 just trying to be around, getting getting pummeled, playing out 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.520 of position too. Now you're starting center on the other 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.000 side of the ball, position you never played. Last five 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:16.200 games are the most important five all mac mac games? Right, 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:20.280 what's it like? It's crazy? It's you know, you go 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:25.040 from thinking you're forgotten about and just wanting to make 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:26.840 sure that they're not trying to get rid of you. 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:30.000 And there's an old story that when I had my 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.440 blood clot you know, not gonna name name, but I 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:34.439 got a call from coach and it's kind of one 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:38.400 of those Yeah, you have blood clot, you're missing you're 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:40.600 making you staying lancing for a couple of weeks to 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:42.200 test my blood. Don't let me go out to school 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:44.720 for the first week on the second semester, Like do 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:47.080 you want to you sure you can even play football again? 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:50.040 Like I was smart enough to understand what I was. 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:53.359 I was a guy who was to them, hadn't proved anything, 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:55.800 often injured. Can we get can we get this kid 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.600 scholarship back? And then, like you said, fast forward and 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:01.040 next thing I know, I'm on the opposite side of 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:03.800 the ball. A few months later, starting in Division one 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:06.800 football games, it was incredible. It was an experience any 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.439 of that I want to forget. But also it moved 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:14.119 so fast because the learning curve. It wasn't like I 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:15.879 was just waiting, chopping at the bit to play the 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.600