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Speaker 1: is all ball man. We're back and we got a

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Speaker 1: I want to give you a couple thoughts on the

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayten thing, right, the DeAndre Etan thing is the

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Speaker 1: newest thing where wait, so Phoenix didn't want DeAndre Aten

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Speaker 1: and then they match a deal with the Indiana Pacers

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Speaker 1: and it The whole thing is bizarre, right, the whole

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Speaker 1: Maybe they've convinced themselves they can win with a traditional,

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Speaker 1: more traditional NBA center. And Chris Paul was the problem.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but you play this game of chicken.

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Speaker 1: Most people thought that he was potentially a sign and

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Speaker 1: trade trade bait and he ends up getting a gigantic

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Speaker 1: until January. Wow. That just does not feel like the

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Speaker 1: Suns as well run an organization as they have been

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Speaker 1: since they basically hired Monty Williams. Right, that's that was

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Speaker 1: part of the turn in this organization. You go back

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Speaker 1: to the bubble they're laws to bubble that one does not.

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Speaker 1: One means they're out of the Kadi sweepstakes, and two

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Speaker 1: that's a really hard like cap to put back on,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, the genie is out of the

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Speaker 1: bottle based upon how it ended and many of the

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Speaker 1: alleged feelings on that team about DeAndre Aden or like

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Speaker 1: of versatility. That's what the league is all about. But

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong, and maybe they know more. But

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Speaker 1: if you don't love a guy and you end up

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Speaker 1: beholding to him and signing him, it's one thing. If

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Speaker 1: you're not a well or an organization, you're not competing

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Speaker 1: for a championship they are. Or maybe you need him

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Speaker 1: in the in the West because you have Yokich at

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Speaker 1: guess you know, Minnesota's got two bigs everybody's loading up

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Speaker 1: give you some thoughts on KD as well. You have

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Speaker 1: to you have to offer the moon, the stars in

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant. But look, the going rate is what Rudy

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Speaker 1: Knicks have to give up to get Donovan Mitchell. The

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Speaker 1: where does he end up since it's not going to

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Speaker 1: to call it heat culture that they call it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just don't know if they have the assets and

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Speaker 1: special treat for all ball. This This this is really good,

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Speaker 1: really really good. Andy Phillips joins me. Okay, Andy was

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Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent, had a cup of coffee in

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Speaker 1: the preseason with the Green Bay Packers. But this podcast,

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Speaker 1: many times is about the journey. Here's his You grew

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Speaker 1: who are not Michiganians, Michiganeans, Michiganders, that's the unofficial word. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So is there a legit difference between Lansing and East Lansing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I grew up in Spartan country, but

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Speaker 1: So were you a Hooper and a football player growing

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Speaker 1: up or just a football player? I did everything I did, basketball, football,

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Speaker 1: It's the only offensive position. I feel like that's like defense,

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Speaker 1: But you're right, ray Lewis did not like to be hit.

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Speaker 1: That zacrilege? Apologize who who recruits at Central? Bush Jones?

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Speaker 1: on playing D line? Like, what is the what was

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Speaker 1: it like when Enos gets there? Yeah, so when Edos

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Speaker 1: Hurt the shoulder again towards the end of that year.

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Speaker 1: you give me whatever. I okay all time. Yeah, I'm

427
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: gonna I'm pg gross. My buddies in the door my

428
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: freshman year, we used to. I used to let them

429
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: on occasion. I said, go make me an ice cream Sunday.

430
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: You can put anything you want in the cafeteria in it,

431
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,239
Speaker 1: and I'll eat it for five bucks. So they'd come

432
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: back with I mean, I'm talking mustard, soy, sauce, beans,

433
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: anything you could think of, and I eat it for

434
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: five bucks. Very ill, put on weight, go for I

435
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: mean that that was. Looking back on it, you know,

436
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: a little disappointed in myself. You gotta do. You tend

437
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: to get some bucks when you're in college. So hold on,

438
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: don't don't, don't tell the Philip he's gotta try to

439
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: get weight, Philip and I was there, So that was

440
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: a good one. Interesting character. So there's a lot of

441
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 1: interesting characters. Oh gosh. Really kid named Dylan Anderson brother

442
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: Rice High School, Great high school in Michigan. We he

443
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: never played, but was the one of the funniest humans

444
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: on the planet. Constantly had a shirt off and he

445
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: you know, he wouldn't care. I said this. He had

446
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: one of those cartoons like stomachs, like just like perfectly round. Yes,

447
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like perfectly round. And he

448
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 1: had a bad habit as a freshman of showing up late,

449
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 1: whether it was to class, whether it was to meetings,

450
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: whether it was to a lift and cause the older

451
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: guys got sick of it, and he was. He was

452
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: a freshman, so I was a year to older than him,

453
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 1: sick of it and made him get on the table

454
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: in her offensive line room with a shirt off. I

455
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: had attempt to do set ups, which again I'm talking

456
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: about a cartoon belly wasn't his. Yeah, we're doing impossible,

457
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: an impossible set up. Don't tell me the impossible setup story.

458
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: They weren't known they were. They were real setups. Yeah,

459
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 1: not set ups. And every time he did a sit up,

460
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: he had to scream out in the room, I'm fat,

461
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm fat. And I remember that moment, just thinking like,

462
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: thank god, this kid's a good sport. Yeah, you know

463
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: what I mean, but that thank god, this is back

464
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: in uh what two thousand and what shit? Uh? This

465
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: is two thousand for years? Is probably that would have

466
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: been twenty eleven, twenty twelve, right right, it happens in

467
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. And you guys like getting arrested, right,

468
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: And I'll even I'll even go on that too. One

469
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: of our traditions on the office line we went out

470
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: to dinner with the quarterback every Thursday before games. Every Thursday,

471
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: Old Line's going somewhere in time and going dinner, and

472
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: our tradition was freshman at one of those dinners had

473
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: to get up, no matter where the restaurant was and

474
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: sing a song of your choice. So mine was. We

475
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: went to Bennigans, which is like an Applebey's. When the

476
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: ben begins, it is the it's a Thursday dinner time.

477
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: Dead quiet in there, like they barely music playing, And

478
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: I had to get up and stand up on like

479
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: the stage or whatever they had, and I say friends

480
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: in low places, Arth Brooks, Oklahoma State, you know, and

481
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: it was a blast. Anyways, by the time when I

482
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: was a senior, that was that was next those knicks. Unfortunately,

483
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: that was fairly fairly Yeah, thank you, but yeah, I

484
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: would say Dylan Anderson what my million other different names.

485
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: Our coaches referred him as Dorfman from Anna Moss and

486
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: he's find the most interesting character. But great, dude, Okay,

487
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: so from that, how did your college career go? Yeah?

488
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: So then the next year, after my freshman year, I

489
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: played my freshman I played that year. I didn't mention

490
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: with a broken flux, so I'd have surgery after the season.

491
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: So here I am three straight winners, three straight surgeries,

492
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: going back to high school. So I have surgery, miss

493
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 1: another shreen ball, and now I'm like, all right, sure,

494
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: I started five games, I by know me secured a

495
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: starting spot. I'm still getting used off into line. Well.

496
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: Our coach is a best five out there kind of guy,

497
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: and early in camp he realized the best five men

498
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: this other kid, another freshman who had red shirted, and

499
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: centered me at guard. So I bumped over the left

500
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: guard and spent the next three years started every game

501
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: at left guard at Central Michigan. I would say some

502
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: of the highlights were my soft that sophomore year. We

503
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: went down and well, first off, we got our tails

504
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: Kate in Michigan State came to Mount Pleasant, so big

505
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: game had to bring an extra stance. Kelly Short stated

506
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: in molds, I think thirty thirty two thousand. They brought

507
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: in like an additional eight thousand and found places to

508
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: put them, kicked our teeth in. Wasn't competitive. We go

509
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: down to Iowa the next week and beat Iowa on

510
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: the craziest game of crazy game. Better part, We're up

511
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: by like three most of the game. Third quarter or

512
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: being the fourth quarter, they take over. They're up by nine,

513
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: and if I recall correctly, we go down score a

514
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: touchdown with I don't know, forty five seconds a minute

515
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: left on site, can't get it, two plays, forty seven

516
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: yard field goal, game over. And it was the loudest

517
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: stadium I played. I played at the Big House, I

518
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: played a spartan stadium played down at NC State. But

519
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: the single loudest stadium was probably because it was a

520
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: competitive game like those stams probably could have got there,

521
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: but that was a single lot of stadium because hey,

522
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: they're fans. Their sideline is five yards. I mean, you

523
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: don't have space behind you when your coach is trying

524
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: to talk to away you're sitting on the bench. They're fans.

525
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: Are my jersey is behind? I mean they're right there.

526
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: And it was just but you hear a pin drop

527
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: as soon as that field will went in. Unbelieva feeling

528
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: going to my junior year. So so so and for

529
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: people who I think most people listen to this pod

530
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: will get it. But tell me if I'm wrong. Everybody's central.

531
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: I want to play at Iowa right, like the match

532
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: is made. The hunt, Oh you're saying, big Tea just

533
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: in terms of the Big ten is made up of

534
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: dudes who were told, hey, dude, you're a little too slow,

535
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: you're a little too small. You just you're good, but

536
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: you're not big. And the Big ten is fucking arrogant,

537
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: right and they rightfully so like that is especially on

538
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: the offensive line, right because and an Iowa offensive line, right,

539
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: they they're like the new Nebraska, Like they walk in

540
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: likely and and to go in there and get a win,

541
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I mean that wash Brandon Sheriff was

542
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: their left tackle that year, and yeah, I mean those

543
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: are a big ten offensive linement. We have every every

544
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: single one of us. And if anyone tells you otherwise,

545
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: they're lying to try and have some mac pride. But no,

546
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: we all wanted to. I was holding out committing to

547
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: Central Michigan, waiting for my Missigan Michigan State offer until

548
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: then I'm thinking like, all right, I gotta commit, you

549
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So yeah, absolutely, but so you're

550
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: going there, you have a chip on your shoulder. What

551
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: is that chip going to be enough? But it was

552
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: that day, and so yeah, you get that. Win was

553
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: great my senior year, which I don't know if I's

554
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: work too far, but we beat down We beat down

555
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: another big ten team. We went too per new and

556
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember the name Thomas Rawls.

557
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: He spent the time to Seattle running back. He transferred

558
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: from Michigan. He was our running back. We ran power

559
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: so pulling guard double team on the front side. We

560
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: had it ran that near twenty times in the second half.

561
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: I pulled pretty much Allen, so it's just me and

562
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: Thomas through the whole. We beat the absolute dog shit

563
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: out of them. Part of my language. Yeah, it was

564
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: okay good. It was thirty eight seventeen and it wasn't close.

565
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: It was to go into a big ten stadium. We

566
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: got their first possession, We got pick six our first possession.

567
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: Our quarterback at that point was a sophomore Cooper Rush,

568
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: who was the Dallas Cowboy backup. He was the quarter

569
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: member by the last two years. He threw like a

570
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: sixty yard touchdown. So we're up fourteen, nothing like that.

571
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: It just it was never a game in the middle linebacker.

572
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: Shout out to Seawan Robinson. He was like complimenting me

573
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, like our team. He's like, you guys,

574
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: just get after man. I would love to play for

575
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: your team. I was thinking for myself. I was saying myself,

576
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: might want to focus on playing for your own right now.

577
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: But it was those wins, like you say, because those

578
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: are the guys who they said were better than us.

579
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: Totally totally get it. When you're when you're now and

580
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,479
Speaker 1: how how how much did you weigh then when you're

581
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: playing guard? I was a consistent three or five. I

582
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: was able to hold it. So now you're now you're

583
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: three h five pulling guard. What's a better feeling? Okay,

584
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: back when you were high school and you're either fullback

585
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: or linebacker laying some dude out, or when you're three

586
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: oh five coming downhill as a pulling guard. It's three

587
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: or five downhill. But the reason being, I know the

588
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: guy who I'm who I'm laying out is a better athlete,

589
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, I because high school something you can lay

590
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: a dude down. It's like he doesn't want to be there.

591
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: He's one hundred and thirty four pounds. It doesn't feel

592
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: as good when you take a two hundred fifty pound

593
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: mic linebacker and you you get the leverage and you

594
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: get underneath him and you're bearing him into the ground.

595
00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: There's no better feeling on planet Earth. That's awesoon, that's awesome.

596
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: Did you know when? Did you know Cooper Rush was

597
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: a dude? Right? Like like Couper Rush. So he's from Lansing,

598
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: Michigan's well, he's from Charlotte, but he went to Lanson

599
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: Catholic Central. So I knew of Cooper Rush for a

600
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: while and he's two years younger than me. He was

601
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: always an accurate quarterback. He's funny man because he talked

602
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: about a hooper. That guy can hoop. But He's not

603
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: like your quarterback, your classic quarterback that like sits outside.

604
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: He is Kevin McHale in the post. He's got feet prevailing. Yes, yeah, Greg,

605
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: Greg moves down a little. Anyway. I knew was the dude.

606
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: He came in his very first game was my junior year.

607
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: He was a redshirt freshman. We opened up at the

608
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: Big House at Michigan. Starting quarterback third series, breaks his

609
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: collar bone. Done for the year. They bring in the

610
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: next guy. It wasn't even Cooper got Cooper's third string

611
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: week one, by week two are he comes in in

612
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: the second quarter because the other guy just wasn't cutting in.

613
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: They were playing one double a school. This was supposed

614
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: to be our or now a warm up. Michigan just

615
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: had their warm up with us. This is supposed to

616
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: be our warm up. And after the first quarter we're

617
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: down like ten knocks were tank passed the training. It's horrible.

618
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: Kup comes in halfway through the second quarter and finishes

619
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: a day with three hund twenty yards, three touchdowns, note picks,

620
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: and I'm all right, so the kids a gamer. A

621
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: few weeks later, we're down in Athens at Ohio playing

622
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: the Bobcats. That is that's one of the I would say,

623
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: one of the better MAX stadiums. If you ever get

624
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: a chance to go down to Athens. I guess Joe

625
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: Burrow's dad might have been on staff then, and we've

626
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: gone there a tough environment. They're a better team than us,

627
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: for sure, but we're clicking that day and he led

628
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: a game winning drive. That was his first game winning drive,

629
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: and I was like, dude's got some stones, I think.

630
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: And then my senior year was his sophomore year. We

631
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: were playing the Bahamas Bowl, inaugural Bahamas Bowl, and it

632
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: was actually this was up the final play was up

633
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: for the sp that year for best play. But some dude,

634
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: we're number thirteen in New York at some one hand

635
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: to catch. People were able to bout one it. So

636
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: we were down at ten month left of the game.

637
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: We're down by thirty five to Western Kentucky. Defense is

638
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: five shrace stops. We score five straight touchdowns. Last play

639
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 1: of the game was a hail Mary. They got flipped

640
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: around three different times, touchdown forty nine to forty eight.

641
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: We went for two and didn't get it. But Coop

642
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: said a record at the time seven touchdowns in that

643
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: game and I was like, I think this is duds

644
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: gonna be all right. And two years later with Cowboys

645
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: with players football changing those type of boat bulls. I

646
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: don't know if they're gonna go away, if they're gonna stay,

647
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: but you're gonna You will always get people who haven't

648
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: experienced it who will say those games don't matter if

649
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: they don't mean anything, do they? Yes, And listen, I

650
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: get it, like I don't. I'm not the guy guy

651
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: that sits here and watches every bull game now that

652
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: I out of it. But for the guys involved in

653
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: means something. I mean, listen, I played in two Bowl games,

654
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: was eligible another time of the year, we're eligible and

655
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: didn't make it. We're devastated and to go there even

656
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it means and you play, you know,

657
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: and I know you're asking me to explain, but it's

658
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: just you have a pride in yourself and you have

659
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: an end goals. And when you're playing that, especially like

660
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: at Max School and the schools that are going to

661
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: these kind of bowls, you know you're not playing for

662
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: the national title. You know, even if you go Central Mission.

663
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: We knew if we went thirteen to twelve and then

664
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: won the MAC championship, we weren't going to the playoff.

665
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean, so your bowl games matter, it's your championship,

666
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: it's your time to get on the national stage is

667
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: the other thing. And your time to compare yourself against

668
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: guys and other conferences, because listen, you can be the

669
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: best due in the back, but can you be a

670
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: dude against everyone in the country is what you want

671
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: to prove. And again, you know your game's gonna be

672
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: on national TV, which you have a handful every year

673
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: when you're in the MAC. You know that games again,

674
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: the bread lights are going to be bright, and you're

675
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: gonna have people from all the country tune in to

676
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: watch you. And can you show out? And can your

677
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: team get in there and get it done against you know,

678
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: a team that is supposed to be at your level

679
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: but in a different conference. It's kind of a little

680
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: bit of pride in that too, So it absolutely means something.

681
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: But I agree, I don't know what college is going

682
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: to turn into. It it's a endless I don't want

683
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: to be like the you know, I don't feel like

684
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: the guy who's like, oh, you have old school thoughts,

685
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I kind of like the way

686
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: I liked the way things were, I liked the conferences,

687
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: and I was again, this is I'm gonna get I'll

688
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: get heat for this, I'm sure. But I was always

689
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: the guy. Listen, if you wanted to give me a

690
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: few hundred bucks when I was in college to get

691
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: buy in the summers, I would have taken it. I

692
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: would have loved it. But I've never been the type

693
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: of guy that thinks that we should have got paid.

694
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: I think there's really then and again, I don't know

695
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: what your feelings are on this, but I'm gonna understand

696
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: that A we're gonna education, We're geting our college paid

697
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: for it. Be my thought and belief system was, especially

698
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: after being out and after being out of it. I

699
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: think there's a level of hierarchy when kids aren't making

700
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: the money. Because I'm looking at the dude and good

701
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: for him, who's gonna poorly get three million dollars Addison

702
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: going to USC Is he gonna be making more in

703
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: his receiver coach is my question? And if he shows

704
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: up to a meeting, how's he going to be disciplined?

705
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about seventeen to twenty two year

706
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: old kids. Who need that discipline to survive life, and

707
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: I think the money could really cost them pick ups

708
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: for that. So I was never on that. So again

709
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: that was my biggest take up. And then now that

710
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: there's more money involved, the conferences are changing. I just

711
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: I don't know what the landscape is. It feels like

712
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: it's it went from amateurism to minor league NFL real fast,

713
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: which is which is interesting because I think people think

714
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: it's always been the minor leagues. It hasn't. And here's

715
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: the thing about minor league sports. People don't care about

716
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: minor league sports. They like college sports, yes, but they

717
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: also like college sports, and I don't know necessarily know

718
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: it's because they don't get paid. I think it's like

719
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: it's about the regional rivalries, like Michigan and UCLA in

720
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: the same league, Like what are we doing exactly? Like

721
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: like part of part of the beauty of this whole

722
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: thing is like the Max's a perfect example, but you

723
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: could even say the Big Ten is most of those

724
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: guys all came from the same area. They you know

725
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: they and you chose your school. I chose mine. Michigan

726
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: passed on this kid, so we had to go to Indiana, Okay,

727
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: and you're like, fuck, fuck Michigan your whole life. And

728
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: when you get to play Michigan, you're like, right, those

729
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: are that's that's the way it works, and we're destroying

730
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: all that. I would also say that here's the crazy

731
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: here's the crazy part. Paying football players before they've played

732
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: a down of college football is insane on a multi Look,

733
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: here's the first part. They're not good enough to play

734
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: right away. They're just not. So what's going to happen.

735
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: They're gonna get a bunch of money, they're gonna show up,

736
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: and either you play them right away, which is to

737
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: the detriment of the team. And we talked about right

738
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: the player right played him for he's ready, But also

739
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 1: you got like, what's the point of staying around here?

740
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: Tell him the junior and a senior when it's my

741
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: turn to shine? Okay? And you if you don't play

742
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: him because he's not really that good, something he transfers

743
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: and he goes somewhere else, the cycle will continues. Yeah,

744
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's an absolute absolute mess. In

745
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: the transfer rule, I hate, like, now the one time

746
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: transfer you can transfer, I can sit out crazy. They're

747
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: like super teams, Like what are we gonna get in

748
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: this whole whole college all sports? But I loves the thing.

749
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: Like it's like everybody said, well, like J. J. Watt

750
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: transferred up, great, he also sat out so he could

751
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: change his party, right, change his body and assimilate to

752
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: a higher level of football. It doesn't happen, right, that's

753
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: rule actually benefits the player. But we have people who

754
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't make you waste a year of

755
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: eligibility getting ready for your next step. No, no, yeah,

756
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: and the listen, I know we're in the era of that.

757
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: You know. I just I don't have to back like

758
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: this is a legit discussion that I just I think

759
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: that people think. Listen, man, yes you were in America.

760
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: Yes there's freedom. It doesn't mean there can't be Like

761
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: legislation doesn't mean there can't be rules. Rules are okay,

762
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: guess what rules are actually okay. It's also it's also

763
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: like part of it is part of it is like

764
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: what's everybody's like, Well, if you achieve something college, you

765
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: achieve some college, you can go be a professional. Right,

766
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: That's that's the way. That's what we're Actually you're really good,

767
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna make a lot more money, life changing money

768
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: at the next level. Okay, So, yes, we're off our soapbox.

769
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: You and I actual agreement. You have a different perspective

770
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: on it, which is fascinating. Okay, so you get downe

771
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: with college. Yeah, you started for parts of four years, right,

772
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: four years. If you include those five games, you're you're

773
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: redshirt freshman year at center right now? What So I

774
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: was getting some calls from agents before my senior season.

775
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: Our coach didn't like us talking to agents, so pretty

776
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: much once I'm star, I was told my dad, I'm

777
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: gonna direct everything to you. Hopefully I get an opportunity.

778
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: We'll see. I was on back a couple of times,

779
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: so I figured I at least had that going for me.

780
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: I knew I was smart enough to play at the

781
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: next level. I knew I know the work ethic, but

782
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: we all know that that should be a given, not

783
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: a that's not a write of passage. So I just

784
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: wanted to play my senior figure it out. And by

785
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: the time I came home for Thanksgiving, my dad a

786
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: couple of agents us. These are the ones that I

787
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: talked to. They seem legit. There. Maybe give this guy call.

788
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: He was my favorite. So I called. His name was

789
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: Carter Chow worked. He's a partner for Yean Duban Sports,

790
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: which Dan Sports. They're famous for being the agency with

791
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and Julian Needelman and Garoppolo and Sean Payton,

792
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: those guys. So I called him and I, you know,

793
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: we had a really good conversation and it's like I

794
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: told me, Dad's like, I don't really need to talk

795
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: to anyone else because listen, he proven to work with

796
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 1: guys from smaller schools, have some creativity with talking language wise.

797
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: I mean he had I have a great story about

798
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: how he had to work with the Patriots and Edelment

799
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: not knowing him, he's a project, he's a can State quarterback.

800
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: But so I knew he was able to work with

801
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: small school guys and so yeah, I signed with them.

802
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: After my Bowl game, I signed with the Induban Sports.

803
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: They moved me out to California, moved me out to

804
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: Manhattan Beach, had me stash up there. I worked out

805
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: the Exos down near Englewood, and I mean this is

806
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: right near area, I guess, But so I worked over

807
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: the Exos down there, which that was again you're we're

808
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: talking about comparing yourself earlier, about like when you play

809
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: a Big ten team. Well this was it. I mean,

810
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm there with dudes from UCLA and USC and Michigan, cash,

811
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: smaller in Nebraska, gash from all over country, and I'm

812
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: trying to compare myself, and man, I just I locked in.

813
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: I it was as if I was often I was

814
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: about and I was Rocky and Russia getting ready to

815
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: fight drag. It was one of those I just you

816
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And I was bought in and

817
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: anything they told me that I did. And you know,

818
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: even though it saying I'm a offensive linement and I

819
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: didn't have a drop of beer in my system the

820
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: entire time I'm out there, I was just because I

821
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: have one shot at this thing. I want to make

822
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: sure I give him my all. And it wasn't an

823
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: agent took a shot. I mean they're paying money invest thing.

824
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean I want to make sure he's going to

825
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: get the best opor fee on his investment. So I

826
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: trained out there, didn't invite to the Combine, So I

827
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: had to go to the pro Day show up to

828
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 1: Pro Day March twentieth, twenty fifteen and six to even

829
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: so that was a little bit one of these, you know,

830
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: not six one seven eight six too, even like that

831
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: was And I remember my agent he kept saying, because

832
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: you got to I was training to COPIBORNI. Yet I

833
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: was a bunch of weight. We're working out, you know,

834
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: pulling two days, and they were trying to decrease fat

835
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Speaker 1: and increase multiple with ed your decrease in the fat.

836
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: By time that everything came about, I am to ninety

837
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Speaker 1: six two ninety five, and he's like, B three hundred

838
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: under prod, B three hundred under pro day, Like that

839
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Speaker 1: number means something like all right, I A. This had

840
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: to been near midnight the night before, and I'm like,

841
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm light. I know, I'm like, I made a box

842
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 1: of jambalaya and ate the entire thing six hours BEFOREHI

843
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: getting up for my pro day, hugging the water, and

844
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: I waited three hundred point zero right in the bathroom,

845
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: piss come back and boom, bench press has already started.

846
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: Said not your o. The pro day. Had a good

847
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: pro day. I ran four nine nine, another good thing

848
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: to get right under. And then you know, twenty six

849
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: pence reps and you know, showed out in the drills

850
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: and I called my agent after He's like, he's not

851
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: a BS so he wouldn't sugar going thing. He's like, hey, man,

852
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: you might just got yourself drafted. Very cool. So now

853
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm now it's the waiting game and I lead up

854
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: to the draft. Man, I'm just getting some calls here

855
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: and there. You know from from teams, offensive line coaches, scouts.

856
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: Who knows. Two teams that showed the most interests were

857
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: easily the Falcons, who one of their coaches actually didn't

858
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: ran the offensive line workout at my pro day though

859
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: I'd fit really good into their zone scheme because that's

860
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: when they were transitioning offensively from more gas scheme to

861
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: the more zone scheme, and he thought, my athletics zone scheme,

862
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: it's more about your athletic ability and your movement. And

863
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: they're everyone that unfold viewing me as a center. They're like, all,

864
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: we know you played guard, but your size, your quickness,

865
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: space and space, you're gonna fit more. And you had

866
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: short arms, which is a thing I didn't even though

867
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: it was important until I as I had them, and

868
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: then Chicago bears to the point that come draft day,

869
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: not mind you, I'm smart enough to understand that I

870
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't even have a chance to know where I'm going

871
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: until day three. But we're in an hour before the

872
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: first round starts on Thursday, and Dave Magazoo rest in peace.

873
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: He actually just passed away last year. He was off

874
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: line coach of Bears. He calls me an hour before

875
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: the first round starts and goes, hey, man, it should

876
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: be a great weekend for you and your family. Can't

877
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: wait to talk to you here soon. Talk all right. Well,

878
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: I at least think I got a shot with the

879
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: Bears day three, right, because then they didn't have a

880
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: seventh round picks a couple of six round picks. Anyways,

881
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: draft comes and go I don't get I don't get

882
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,959
Speaker 1: picked up. I don't get drafted. And the funniest part

883
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: is the Bears and Falcons both on the radio silent

884
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: after the draft, both at communication with my agent in

885
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: the late rounds, like, hey, make sure the phone's ready,

886
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff, right, radio silent after the draft.

887
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm talking ten minutes, twenty minutes go by, thirty minutes

888
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: go by, and I'm like, your coach shop, your agent

889
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: coaches you up, like, hey, it's the draft. If you

890
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: don't get drafted once the seventh problems starts. I'm already

891
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: be having conversations with teams during the seventh round about

892
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: if years not picked, we want to bring him in.

893
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: Here's his undrafted for agent contract we would offer him.

894
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: So my thought was he's probably hopefully collecting a few

895
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: offers and we can decide. Half hour goes by, hour

896
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: goes by, and nobody wants me. I'm like, the hell's

897
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: going on. Finally he calls and he goes, not great news,

898
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: but news. He goes, you got a few teams out.

899
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: At least we'll bring you for a tryout, you know,

900
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: because they're having the rookie cancer. They bring all the

901
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: guys they drafted, all the guys they signed in. Then

902
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: they buy like twenty five tryout guys pretty much because

903
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: they need to fill a practice. He goes, I got

904
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: you in Green Bay next weekend. If you don't make

905
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: it there, Kansas City the following So you show up

906
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: free agent rookie camp. Yes, midwestern kid, yep in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

907
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: That's right, he's a Lions fan. That's a tough life.

908
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: So shall you pack up your car? If so, I

909
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: got an it temperary. They said, here's your ticket, which

910
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: you don't want to fight you on a drive I

911
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: would have chosen. I actually would have chose to drive.

912
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: Are you rolling in senior year in college? Ninety eight

913
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:09,479
Speaker 1: Chevy Blazer Gold? Wow? Gold? That? Oh yes, it sounds

914
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: nice right. Yeah, No, no, I had. I had a

915
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: ninety five Chevy Blazer. Not that car. However my senior

916
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: year something was so wrong with it that if you

917
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: didn't start it for six hours, it wouldn't start. Yeah.

918
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: So when you have six ample the battery was dead.

919
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: That just I was needing your battery. Yes, So when

920
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: I had a six, like you said, like in college,

921
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: there's kind of a kind of a beauty to not

922
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: having any money and still figure out a way to survive.

923
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: You're ready for life after that. I just have to

924
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: go ahead at midnight do a couple laughs around around

925
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: the little complex area, just to make sure it was

926
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: starting the morning for practice. We were just talking about

927
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: this the other day. So there was a place and

928
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: still want to call Fizzoli's. It's like drive drew seeds

929
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: of fast food, huh no, feats of red six yeah, boss, Yeah,

930
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: we had one of the lancing all you can eat.

931
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: I would roll in at like nine fifty six and

932
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: I would be like, hey, my man, listen, can I

933
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: get all your bread sticks? You're about to throw them

934
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: away anyway, right. I used to go to cold Stone

935
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: and say, hey, listen, I've heard this isn't true. I

936
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: know you got some ice cream cakes in the bag

937
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: that had technically expired, they've been frozen. Can I get them?

938
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: They used to give me free until they were got

939
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: out of the streets. We would do it. We would

940
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: do We had I had a place like every different

941
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: place in still one of those fast food Like what

942
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: time they close? All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm

943
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: gonna go. I'm gonna go do that. I'm gonna go, Yeah,

944
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna We had a this is this is we

945
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: had my junior year, we moved off At junior we

946
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: moved off campus to a house we called the Palace.

947
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: Got a tongue plat, right, And there were some girls

948
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: that wanted to was it. They wanted to do their

949
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: laundry because we had a washer dryer, and so they

950
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: would bring that. We were like, hey, you can use

951
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: the dryer, but you got to cook his dinner. So

952
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: like once a week they do the washing dry to

953
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: come home the house, you smell amazing and we'd have

954
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: a full meal and like the washers going and then

955
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: you talk to me like, hey, there's an extraal mode

956
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: there because you just throw my my washing. They're like

957
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: and fold it up nice there too, right. But but

958
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting, It's like we are we're really we're

959
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: really hurting people in that we make it so much

960
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: easier for him, and there's like a there's kind of

961
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: a coolness to it, you know, and look and I

962
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: know that that some of that has changed. There's a

963
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: lot more affluence with kids at college, you know, but

964
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: having your dorm fridge and you know, figuring out, you know,

965
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: figuring out how to how to have a stereo system

966
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: that can open to the quad when you're the dorms

967
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: or then you know, at your at your house or

968
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: like just anything you can get for free or to

969
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: disc or whatever. We we live next to this is

970
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 1: the same We lived on Nap Street, same house, the Palace,

971
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: and we had cops that live next door, and like

972
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: we baby sat their kids one time and they said,

973
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: don't worry, We're gonna take care of you, but not

974
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: with money. We're like, that's weird, but okay. And they

975
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: would break up house parties like high school house parties

976
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: and give us the beer and it was amazing, Like

977
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: they come in like and then we got a case

978
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: of beer. It's Natty Like, it's Natty Ice. You're like, oh, daddy,

979
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: high school. Okay, fine, it's free and you you'd stick

980
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: it to the fridge. I don't. I don't want my

981
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: college kids drinking I pas and you know still, I

982
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: want my kids drinking bush Lights and Natty's and figuring

983
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: it out. That's life. I agree. There is a there's

984
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 1: a beauty in the misery that is just not misery

985
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: at all because you work through, you figure things out.

986
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm with you again. I don't think everything

987
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: is bad that's going on these days. I'm not that

988
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: guy offer lawn. But I think there's a beauty in

989
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: the struggle. No, okay, so you get the great so

990
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: you get out to play in Green Bay? Yeah, and

991
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: what's it like when you go into the packers? Now,

992
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: how does it work with the bike thing for the

993
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: free agent mini camp? Do you have the bike things

994
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: that that till regular? So? Well? First off, I get

995
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: to Green Bay and I'm one of twenty five trial guys.

996
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: So we walk in. They take us all the locker

997
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: room first. Unbelievable. I mean, I get I'll come from

998
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: a back locker room, which is now amazing after the

999
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars facility that was just put up. But

1000
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: in my time there, it was like it was nice.

1001
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: It's better my high school. I'm good going to that.

1002
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: One's a different story. Into Lambeau and I'm looking and

1003
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: all these rookies are going up the drafting ones, the

1004
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: signed ones, to the lockers. Right, I'm like, where all

1005
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: my locker Like, oh no, hey, tryout, guys, come with

1006
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: me down a little tunnel, this, that and the other

1007
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: one in the away team locker room. I'm like, you

1008
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: kind of piss offul of it. Right. Anyways, two days

1009
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: go by and I ended up being the only one. No,

1010
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: are you practicing practice shields or in Lambo? Not not lamb,

1011
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: but who are in the indoor? Indoor? Then Hudson indoor

1012
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: And yeah, so we're in there. We have two practices,

1013
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 1: so you really you had? We had meetings until about

1014
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: nine nine thirty. We get back to ho Tell nine

1015
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: nine thirty and me and Brett Humley U sill a

1016
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: form still a quarterback. My boy. I actually trained with

1017
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: him out and he was out Exos with me, so

1018
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: we had a relationship there. They drafted him the fifth round.

1019
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I'm playing cententer to your quarterback. Let's

1020
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: be on the same page. We stayed up to like

1021
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: twelve thirty studying the playbook, little scenes from snapcounts, checks

1022
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: this time the other, and the next day it actually

1023
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: it showed. I mean you could tell the guys that

1024
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: studied the you had all the cheek codes you had

1025
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: to do, you had to do. And the first day

1026
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: I'm splitting reps with another center from from Oregon. By

1027
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: day two I got ninety percent of the reps because

1028
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: I knew what I was doing, making all the calls.

1029
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: As a center, you're making every call I d and

1030
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: the mic beg called directing traffic, this, that and the other,

1031
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 1: busting my ass down the field every freaking play. And anyways,

1032
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: I ended up go through to day cam. Now here's waiting.

1033
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: You're like, so they hold, they hold. They come in,

1034
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: they have a meeting with all the trial guys and say, hey,

1035
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: we'll be touch with your agents. Right, good job. You

1036
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: guys all all plan on flying out tomorrow. They don't

1037
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: have one guy because because my former brother in law was,

1038
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: they come in the grim Reaper with that's what I

1039
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: called wool okay to be like let you go. Yeah

1040
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: he was. He was a hey, coach, will see you

1041
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: bring your playbook kind of guy. I mean, the last

1042
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: guy you want to see at six am the locker. Well,

1043
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: he's the one that held the meeting basically and said, hey,

1044
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: everyone's flying out tomorrow. Your schedule flight will be contact

1045
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: with your agents. If we want to bring any of

1046
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: you back tonight, you're going to Bret Fast steakhouse. Great,

1047
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: everyone's pumped. I'm pissed, right because I knew I performed. Anyways,

1048
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: everyone's leaving the team meeting room and Ellie grabbed me,

1049
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: took me to the gym where they had a basketball

1050
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: court actually, and he hey, we're signing new He was

1051
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: the only one. I don't want to make it a

1052
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: big deal in front of these guys. Keep it low,

1053
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: don't tell anyone tonight, come back to Lambo tomorrow. We'll

1054
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: sign a contract. And I'm just elate, right like all right,

1055
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: So now I feel like I'm where I thought I

1056
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: would be. First, first calls to parents, parents and parents

1057
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: who picked up. Oh, I don't know if it was

1058
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: the parents or I think it was parents one and

1059
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: then my uh uh girlfriend at the time was number two,

1060
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: who's not my wife, but my parents, and I think

1061
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: it was my dad. It was blacked out. I mean,

1062
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: you're just blacked out of that moment. I remember said,

1063
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: no idea, just like it's over, I'm staying. And I

1064
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: remember like it was I'm in the gym, like not

1065
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: trying to be too loud in case anyone's on the

1066
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: other you know what I mean. And I remember I

1067
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: hugged Delby. I remember that he was probably like getting

1068
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: a barehouse. That's a look at his father is round

1069
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: Wolf all of fame gam from the Packers. Yeah, yeah,

1070
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: but Elliott was a room reaper in camp. He's the

1071
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: last guy you wanted to see, last guy you wanted

1072
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: to see. So yeah, I got signed and I next day,

1073
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: I know, like the sign my contract. The next day

1074
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: following days show up to ball season and got my

1075
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: locker in the home locker room. That was the moment.

1076
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: That was the one that was kind of like two

1077
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: days ago. I was in the waiting locker room, pissed off,

1078
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: kind of had that moment like fuck, yes, you know

1079
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I'm here now, it's a level

1080
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: playing field, you know what I mean? Like here, who's

1081
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: who you near? Lockerwise, she was on left and the right.

1082
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: Mitchell Henry was lockermate resting PC. Actually, so he was

1083
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: a tight end from Western Kentucky. I just played him

1084
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: in the Boll game. Really good player, bounce round Packers Denver.

1085
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: He brought out to Baltimore. This has been a couple

1086
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: of years later. They were gonna sign him, but they

1087
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: brought him off for a physical and Dona leukemia and

1088
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: he actually passed I think two two or three years

1089
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: ago now, so he was he was. I actually remember

1090
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 1: who's my other side? Why don't I remember that? Maybe

1091
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: it was a rotation. I don't know. But it was

1092
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: mainly just the rookies and mostly undrafted guys, and yeah,

1093
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: it was. It was great. And then and then so

1094
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: I don't start OTAs go by midicamp goes by. You're

1095
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: trying to get Rogers? Was he at that? This is before?

1096
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, the man. Okay, So I have great Roger stories.

1097
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: I have great Roger stories. Okay, well we have we

1098
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: have time, okay, so help me out though. Yeah, first

1099
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: time you meet Aaron Rodgers walks in yep, we're It

1100
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: was actually so when I was talking about when they

1101
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: were taking us all to our lockers the first day,

1102
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: He's coming out of the equipment or walking to the

1103
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: equipment room, looks over at all of us and everyone

1104
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: we kind of lose a little freeze, like, oh shit,

1105
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: MVP's looking at us and he smiles. That was one

1106
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: of these slapp these and just kept walking away and

1107
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: like smile. They got like cool call and like we

1108
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: all kind of got like a chuffle out of it.

1109
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: Was a school next time though, then I get signed

1110
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: very first practice, like walk through stuff comes up to

1111
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: me right away like a Madam Maren. I pulled the

1112
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: classic yeah I know, you know what I mean, like yeah,

1113
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: I know any like last things like hey, it's where

1114
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: you're from, Center Guard and yeah, center Guard your central mission.

1115
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: The chipwa was like he was just normal, dude. It's

1116
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: funny you always hear like the conversations like everyone like

1117
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: really types up Tom Brady for being the guy that

1118
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: introduces himself to the last man of the team. I'm like,

1119
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: I can testify Rogers does the same thing because I

1120
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: was number eight. They all have they all have this thing.

1121
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: So I met Joe Biden last night and uh the

1122
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: he has a big deal. So the But like politicians

1123
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: and quarterbacks are the same, the same in that like

1124
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: you and talked to him for five minutes and you're like,

1125
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: holy shit, we're best friends. Like we should go out,

1126
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: we should go out, we should sometime. Oh wait, they

1127
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: get your number? Yeah exactly. Okay, Then what's the experience

1128
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: like to watch him throw a football for the first time? Ridiculous.

1129
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one thing seeing something on TV, like

1130
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: probably I watched Steph Curry and it's just like, good God.

1131
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: But to see a person's find whole another story. Right,

1132
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: Watching that guy throw the football, it like it literally

1133
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: spits out like a seat out of his hand. And

1134
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: I remember it was one of the It was early.

1135
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: It was in mini camp and he was out there.

1136
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: They were running a two minute drill and the first

1137
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: time this is before Mahomes was Mahomes first time I

1138
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: ever saw this. He's is fourth in what happened? Fourth

1139
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: and goal from like the thirteen, He drops back, he

1140
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: scrandmothers and I have I'm behind the end zone view this,

1141
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: so I have I'm behind the offense like this way,

1142
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: so I can have perbe this. He's boom boom boom,

1143
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: doing a little dance in the pocket. Get starts rolling

1144
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: out to his left, pointing to the corner, zips it

1145
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: back this way to the center of the field between

1146
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: two guys, touchdown rate the chests, and I'm like, so

1147
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: that's how this level is, you know what I mean.

1148
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: Like he's a wizard. There's something wizard and there's some

1149
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: funny stories. But the coolest thing was Lizza Man Aaron Rodgers.

1150
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: He's taking snaps from Corey lins you know what I mean,

1151
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: He's not taking steps for Cory Linz as time. It

1152
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: was JC Truter do really good centers in Green Bay

1153
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: at the time. That's the reason, so I didn't. I

1154
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: was the STA. I was around him all the time

1155
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: because center cordbacks a lot of stuff, but I wasn't snapping.

1156
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: Their last practice I ever had a Green Bay was

1157
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: the day before the final preseason game, and starters with

1158
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna play. So anyways, I go out there

1159
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: and I do go through all like the stuff of

1160
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: the offense. Well, then it was time for the defense,

1161
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: the number one defense to go out there. I'm you know,

1162
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: you're exhausted from doing your thing. Now you have to

1163
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: go play scout team center. So I get in the huddle.

1164
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: Its gonna be like an eighteen play twenty play script.

1165
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: Aaron comes in the hull, taps off the corn. I goes,

1166
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: I got this one. He's like, I'm not playing tomorrow.

1167
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: Let me let me get after our guys. They could

1168
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: have just thrown the cards away because he changed everything

1169
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: at the Lions scrimmage. He was going up there. So

1170
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: the defense it is supposed to practice looks at New

1171
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: Orleans is going to give them, and Aaron's checking everything

1172
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: at the List scrimmage, getting us in a good spot.

1173
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,959
Speaker 1: He comes up, so I'm a center. I feel twelve

1174
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: hands right r N. I'm like, I'm not getting this

1175
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: guy hurt. This was supposed to be walk through ish

1176
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: is run through, like first couple of steps hard, then

1177
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: you're easing off. I fired off the ball as hard

1178
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: as I possibly could at b J Raji, where there

1179
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: had to be kind of like some breakup because he

1180
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: wanted to kill me, Like what are you doing like

1181
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: like I'm not getting him hurt. I'm not getting I'm

1182
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: not letting knocked back into him. And we went eight

1183
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: team plays right down the field. He's checking everything at

1184
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: the line. And the coolest thing for me was you

1185
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: see the Aaron Rodgers hardcount that gets a defensive jump.

1186
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: I think don't understands is the center has to snap

1187
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: it to get the call. Also, you don't want to

1188
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: be the center that thinks the guys off side just

1189
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: snapped it. He wasn't off sides. And next year it's

1190
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: a fall star left. We got hardcount, boom, guy jumps,

1191
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: I snapped it, he throws a touchdown. He came up,

1192
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: smacked me in the head. Great job, And it was

1193
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: kind of of those moments, you know what I mean. Yeah, always,

1194
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: I don't know last practice and I've ever played football,

1195
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: and I always thought him like it took me like

1196
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: even a couple of years thinking back to that moment,

1197
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, I wonder if he kind of like did

1198
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: that jumped into that huddle or if he does it

1199
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: every year because he knows there's a lot dudes I'll

1200
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: never play football game. Let's give him a moment. Let

1201
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: me throw to some of these receivers at are going

1202
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: to be you know, going and selling insurance or you

1203
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, I don't know if you

1204
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: know I was. I was able to ask him down

1205
01:02:56,200 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: the line, and he didn't necessary I at least say yes,

1206
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: that's exactly why I did that, but he kind of said, yeah,

1207
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: i'd like to give you know, I'd like to be

1208
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: out there with the guys, you know what I mean.

1209
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: And I thought that was a cool moment. Yeah, that's amazing.

1210
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: What's it? What's it like to not play football? Stuff?

1211
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: Everyway you had to figure out, and I think every

1212
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: athlete goes through this at some point, especially if you

1213
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: love the game, unless not everybody loves and everybody wholays

1214
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: the NFL loves loves to play football. I love and

1215
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: still do love football. It's not play. I had to

1216
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: find different ways to have, you know, to redirect your passion.

1217
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: And I think that was the hardest part was finding

1218
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: what that was. And I knew it had to be involved.

1219
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: That knew it had to be with the game. At

1220
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: some point, I didn't know what area I wanted to

1221
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: be involved in. That That is why I wanted to

1222
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: start getting into more of the media side of it,

1223
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: just because I like to talk about the game. And

1224
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: that was the that was the underrated part of being

1225
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: on a football team, was you get to the camaraderies,

1226
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: unbelievable part in the locker room. But you're always talking ball.

1227
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: You're always talking ball. When you stopped playing football and

1228
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: you're not locker rooms anymore and you're not you're going

1229
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: to the corporate world of USA, you're not always talking ball.

1230
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: And I really missed that on top of the competitive part.

1231
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: I missed that and so rewrect to get into more media.

1232
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: That's helped kind of fill that same passion bucket a

1233
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: little bit, it stought. I mean, I still like, come September,

1234
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: I'll you know, I'm going to head down to such

1235
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: a Michigan plays at Penn State at Happy Valley. I'm

1236
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: gonna go to it, and I'm sure I'll give those

1237
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: same genders and same like. Man, I wish I could

1238
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: you know, what's the Toby Key song? And as good

1239
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: as I once was, I'm good was Yeah, I still

1240
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: think that, Like I always say, like I could give

1241
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: you a drive, I don't know if I can give

1242
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: you a quarter anymore. I can give you a drive

1243
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: and you feel that now. I'm sure the drive would

1244
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: have looked like I hoped it would. But she has

1245
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: to play in a preseason game in Lambo Field and

1246
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: you to play June Lambo one, Hindes Field one, Gilette Stadium.

1247
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: I always said talking about like listen, not there's anything

1248
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: wrong with this, but some guys get like their experiences

1249
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: picked up by the Jaguars. You get to play like

1250
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: the Falcons the Panthers were playing, playing a college stadium

1251
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, right, I got My first preseason game

1252
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: is at Gillette on NFL network right after the news

1253
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: at Tom Brady's gonna be suspended two games for the

1254
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: flight game. When he ran out of that tunnel and

1255
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: he started this is Tom Brady always plays preseason, at

1256
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: least in first goal. He started the game. When he

1257
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: ran out of that tunnel, you know, the hell went off,

1258
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: the hair flowing. Gillette was rocking like a big f

1259
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: you to the NFL basically knowing the games on that

1260
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. Week two, what the Hines Field that I

1261
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: was actually Jordy Nelson towards ACL that game and then

1262
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: the last two were against the Eagles. Jordy Tarrett in practice.

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01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: I remember Jordy Tarret in practice. Not that you're that

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01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: you're the it was. It was the preseason. It was

1265
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: at Lamba first quarter, remember seeing why what's it like?

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01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable to do all the time. If I

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01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: can compare, like, if you had to describe these places

1268
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: like that wouldn't feel like football heaven Like it was

1269
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: almost like the field of dreams of football. Like you

1270
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: feel you feed, you do and it sounds corny, but

1271
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: you feel the Lombardi and Lambeau and far in the air.

1272
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: You just there's something about it that I think. Part

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01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: of it's the fans. Part of it's the fact that

1274
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,439
Speaker 1: it's like dropped in the middle of a neighborhood. Part

1275
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: of it is you know, before you walk out the tunnel,

1276
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: there's a line of brick which has been there forever

1277
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: for all the revisions. That's part of like the old

1278
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: like that that's been there that every legend who's ever

1279
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: played or stepped foot into Lambau Field had to walk through.

1280
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: And it's across the lecture. I mean that family that

1281
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: every year during training camp, which is a public practice,

1282
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: it sells out every year. I mean, so You're at

1283
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: a packed Lambo stadium for practice and just the ands

1284
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: are insane. Have you ever been there? No, it's it's

1285
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: it is. Let's go this year, let's go, let's do it.

1286
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm in, I'm in, I'm in. I gotta, I gotta go,

1287
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: I gotta let's do it. Yeah, And so here's my

1288
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: I got a working thought here. Okay, I want to

1289
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: do it to where there's what huh you want to

1290
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: be there? One's cold, yes, but not really fucking cold.

1291
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: You want November, you don't want December? Fair like to me.

1292
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 1: You know, I've always thought if I could shoot baskets

1293
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: one place, you never would be. That says for years,

1294
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: if I could shoot baskets on one hoop in the world,

1295
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: it would be wherever the hell that farm was where

1296
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: Jimmy and Hoosiers was playing. Yeah, Like there's something about that,

1297
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: like on the dead grass that who and I think

1298
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: the same thing with like lambeau Field is just like

1299
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,919
Speaker 1: you know, like Field of Dreams, you just know there's

1300
01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: something different, something historic, and something special in there. Okay,

1301
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: let's see here. Okay, So, oh week can and Dallas

1302
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: Cowboys Week eleven week, Yes, Week eleven is the Tennessee Titans.

1303
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: So those are the two. Those are the two November games.

1304
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: Where are we looking at thirteenth and twenty or what is? Yeah? Uh,

1305
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 1: you're looking at the thirteenth is Sunday and the Thursday

1306
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: night game is Tennessee. Can't do it Thursday a game

1307
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't make any ste that's the Dallas Cowboys. I

1308
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: worked for me. Let's do it. Okay, we'll do it.

1309
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 1: Remember thirteen. Okay, I'm in now. And then we got

1310
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: we really gotta do We really gotta do it right.

1311
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: He's gotta do like a Wisconsin game like the Saturdays plays,

1312
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 1: jumping a little bit. Yes, yes, I'm with us. I'm in.

1313
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: Before the game, though, we gotta hit Crowls, best burger

1314
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: in town, get some clients. You're looking right on Lamb.

1315
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: How big a burger? I feel like it's big, wider

1316
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: than thick. They're thinner patty, but there, Yeah, I mean

1317
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: they're good. They're like I don't want to say, I

1318
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: don't want to say, like a Frisbee, but you know

1319
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: what I mean, like minie Frisbee coming back the book

1320
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: Round zero. Inside the NFL draft, I had the idea

1321
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: from my own draft experience. Because of my conversation with

1322
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: the Bears officer, the line coach, I'm like, he wouldn't

1323
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 1: have wasted his time calling me before the first round

1324
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: if he couldn't even get me as a free agent

1325
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 1: or a trial guy. Right, So I felt like there

1326
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: has to be some disconnect in the draft process, or

1327
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: is there stuff I don't know? So I always thought like,

1328
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: I want to get all the angles and get stories

1329
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 1: to try and piece this thing together that everybody loves.

1330
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: And I always say like, I don't want the opinion

1331
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 1: of the draft from necessarily the guys at w IP

1332
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: down here in Philadelphia, like you're great, but you're gonna

1333
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: get you know, the back page of the New York Posts,

1334
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: or your uncle Sal who just says this is the

1335
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: year for the Lion. Like I want to get true

1336
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 1: stories from the guys actually involved. I was like, can

1337
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: I get stories from players who went through it, GMS

1338
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: coaches and agents? I mean, those are really the four

1339
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: angles that make up the draft. And I was fortunate

1340
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: enough to start doing some contributing writing for the Pro

1341
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame last year, so I resellt them

1342
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: and said, hey, listen, I got this idea but obviously

1343
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: with my connections alone, I wouldn't be able to do

1344
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 1: this the right way. I said, if I asked for

1345
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: a few, you know, Hall of famers, do you think

1346
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: you guys at least outreach for me to see if

1347
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: they'd be interested and participate. Absolutely. So then from there

1348
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: I had to pitch it to a publishing company and

1349
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,560
Speaker 1: got one to sign off with it. And what we

1350
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: do is there's four sections, the players section where I

1351
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:48,759
Speaker 1: interviewed ten different players legendary stories of their draft experience. Okay,

1352
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: what were your conversations like pre draft? What were you hearing?

1353
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: Did you talk to the team much that drafted you?

1354
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: How did you go about training? Talk to coaches? Same thing?

1355
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: You guys good teams. So I talked to Bill Cower.

1356
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: I said, listen, your time in Pittsburgh. Your team's usually

1357
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: finished in January, right because you're in the playoffs. How

1358
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: much struss did you have to put into your scouts

1359
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: in your GM because you're really hopping in late to

1360
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 1: the process. So hearing his process of how he would

1361
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: attack and how you had assigned his coaches to attack

1362
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: looking at prospects, the GM's Bill Polian is he ran

1363
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: three different organizations and took all three to at least

1364
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,560
Speaker 1: Championship Weekend. One of them was obviously the Bills. He

1365
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 1: was the guy that really started that. He was there

1366
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: for three of those four years in Buffalo that they

1367
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: went to Super Bowl. He was the first GM with

1368
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers in their history. By year two, they're

1369
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: in the NFC Title Game. And then obviously everyone knows

1370
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: that everyone knows about Indianapolis. But hearing him tell the

1371
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: Ryan Leaf Peyton Manning story is fascinating. In the book. Oh,

1372
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: it's in the book, and I'm not gonna I won't.

1373
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 1: We'll have to leave someone in a teaser. But what

1374
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: I will say is there were some clear characteristic things

1375
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: that you knew that Peyton had, but they found out

1376
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 1: Ryan didn't from some stories. Now, Ryan his turnaround of

1377
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: life is very document and great. But the small sniff

1378
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: and I'll give you is Peyton said, I'm going to

1379
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,560
Speaker 1: be there to dare for the draft. Off you draft me,

1380
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: and they're like, I know, you know, I had a

1381
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: full real stay, supposed to wait a week. He's like, no, no,

1382
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be there. You guys figure it out. So

1383
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: then they go and they asked Ryan. Lee's like, hey,

1384
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: you're ready to get to work right after the draft,

1385
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 1: and he goes, me and my buddy's got a Vegas

1386
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: trip out actually be a week late, like so it

1387
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: was kind of like right there. It's kind of like,

1388
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, and then you talk to agents, and

1389
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: my agent, Carter Child, unbelievable. He is a radular element

1390
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: story in here represent the number one pick this year,

1391
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: Vincent Taylor, first African American to represent the number one

1392
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 1: overall pick. I read, can't confirm that right now, but

1393
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: he's a great guy. And then case Donnie Hugh, who

1394
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: works more of a region out of the middle Ston area.

1395
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:05,799
Speaker 1: And then at Least Steinberg mister Jerry McGuire himself fascinating stories.

1396
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: My favorite part of at LEAs Steinberg is he was

1397
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: my first interview for the book, and Lee didn't hold

1398
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: a thing back. There was no agenda with him, there

1399
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: was no like I shouldn't say too much, I don't

1400
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: want to give away secrets, legal at everything hang. His

1401
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: chapters fantastic, but the players are awesome too. I mean,

1402
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 1: like I said, I got the chance to reconnect with

1403
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers through this, and everyone thinks I know his

1404
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: draft story. They know everyone thinks it was he thought

1405
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: he was going to the Niners until the eleventh hour.

1406
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 1: The rug was pulled off from underneath him. Then he

1407
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 1: had no idea what was going on, Right, that's what

1408
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: they want you to think. Yeah, he's like. He's like, look,

1409
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 1: I connected with mccarthur. They offensive coordinator. Me and Nolan

1410
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: never really hit it off. He goes, after I met

1411
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 1: with him, I didn't really think I was going there.

1412
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:53,640
Speaker 1: I kind of had a feeling I was not going there.

1413
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 1: He goes, I thought I was going to Tampa. He goes,

1414
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: John Gruden called, not only did they come to California

1415
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: and work me out? He goes, they he brought Jerry

1416
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: Rice for me to throw to who as a die

1417
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: hard Niner fans a kid, I'm like, He's like, that

1418
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: was great. And he called me a few days before

1419
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: the draft he said, if you're there, number five, we're

1420
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: taking you. He's like, cool, I'm not falling past five.

1421
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:21,560
Speaker 1: They took Kadillac Williams instead. Because you'll find out in

1422
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 1: this book, I'm sure the GM and Tampa had in

1423
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: final say no matter what, groom Onne correct. So the

1424
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 1: owner or whatever is fascinating. I found out a lot

1425
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 1: of the answers that I wanted, and I think people

1426
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: will too. You know, it's interesting. I'm friends with some

1427
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: of the former Bears guys, the guys who drafted Mit Trubisky, right,

1428
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 1: and they kind of walked me through the process of

1429
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:53,640
Speaker 1: why they took Trubisky and not you know, DeShawn or Mahomes.

1430
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: And it's really and sometimes just I don't think yourself,

1431
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:01,560
Speaker 1: you know a lot of time, Yeah, and you just

1432
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: you overthink it, overthink it. And their whole thing, there's

1433
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: some other stuff, but their whole thing was like they

1434
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 1: had Jake Cutler before, and they had Ja. They had

1435
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,759
Speaker 1: to have Jay Cutler dressed in another locker room because

1436
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 1: the guys didn't like him. I heard that too from

1437
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 1: my guy when I was in Green Bay who was

1438
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: with color in Shag. I can confirm that as well. Right,

1439
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: And so when they brought in like Mitch Schrubisky, I

1440
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 1: don't know how you know him. He's like and look, Sean,

1441
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: dudes love him that love playing for him, and Mahomes

1442
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,719
Speaker 1: dudes love him, love playing for him. But Miss Schrubisky

1443
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: is like, oh my god, I want to have him

1444
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: marry my daughter right, and that there were other factors,

1445
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: but like that like one of them, and they made

1446
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 1: a gigantic mistake, you know, and obviously they lost their

1447
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: jobs basically because that, even though they actually have been

1448
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: pretty successful here of late, just not successful enough and

1449
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: they change quarterbacks. So it's really interesting that exact scenario

1450
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 1: is why is part of the reason Alex Smith went

1451
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers, Because Aaron told me, He's like, yeah,

1452
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:06,759
Speaker 1: I remember reading something or hearing something that Mike Nolan

1453
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 1: really liked the Alex Smith held the door first mom

1454
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: at dinner or something like that, and he's like, that's great,

1455
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 1: that's what you're looking for. Not that I wouldn't hold

1456
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 1: the door for somebody, but again, we just we connected

1457
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 1: apparently a little different. Yes, Yes, there's great stories. There's

1458
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 1: interesting stuff about medicals. There's a medical history. You gotta

1459
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,680
Speaker 1: read Benny Blade's chapter The Great Safety from the U

1460
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: and great chapter about his medical like causing a stir

1461
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 1: during his pre draft process. Tony Manderich, who everyone knows

1462
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 1: who everyone considers him a draft bust. But I told

1463
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 1: him when I interviewed him, was hey, listen, Tony, like

1464
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm not here to talk about your career. I'm here

1465
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 1: to talk about the pre draft process where you're the

1466
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,560
Speaker 1: greatest offensive line prospect of all time. Tell me about that.

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Speaker 1: He has a story about a dinner after his pro

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Speaker 1: day with the Kansas City Chief brass that ended with

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Speaker 1: an F bomb flying in him leaving before the andres arrived.

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Speaker 1: Let's just put it that way. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 1: it's fascinating. So I'm sorry now I was saying. I

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Speaker 1: think what people will learn is there's some stories too

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Speaker 1: that help, I think shape how the draft is nowadays,

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Speaker 1: and one of those is Steve Largent wasn't. The draft

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Speaker 1: wasn't back then what it is now in terms of

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Speaker 1: the popularity and how big it got. But I do

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Speaker 1: think larger story made scouts better because he gets drafted

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Speaker 1: by the Oilers in the fourth round, but he was

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Speaker 1: the Oilers second pick. So the Oilers use their second

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Speaker 1: pick on Steve Largent only two then back then, you

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Speaker 1: could cut a player, but once you deem you're going

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Speaker 1: to cut the guy that you have like twenty four

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Speaker 1: hours to trade him first. If a team, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of via waivers, but you could trade instead. So they

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Speaker 1: ended up trading him to the Seahawks for an eighth

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Speaker 1: round pick back when there was more in seven rounds,

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Speaker 1: and I just could not imagine what that scouting department

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Speaker 1: I was thinking and how much people have learned, Like, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we just got the one of the best shaders of

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Speaker 1: all time in the fourth round using our second pick,

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Speaker 1: so we traded him for an eighth rounder. Could you

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Speaker 1: think about that today a team used their second pick

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Speaker 1: to then virtually trade him for a seventh rounder by

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Speaker 1: the end of training camp and the guy ends up

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Speaker 1: being a Hall of Famer. I just think stories like

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Speaker 1: Steve's forced scouts to do even more digging than I've

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Speaker 1: ever done before and got the stories like that. I

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Speaker 1: think you've shaped the draft. It's called round zero. You

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Speaker 1: can pick it up everything that makes nice before round one. Hey,

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Speaker 1: let's use this again. I want more stories. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: want all more stories. But I really appreciate you. And

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Speaker 1: this was fricking awesome. I can do it for hours,

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Speaker 1: and let's talk into it and again, let's put on date.

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Speaker 1: Let's text us get a schedule. Cowboys game thirteen walked

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Speaker 1: right now. I'm in okay, Okay, you work on tickets.

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Speaker 1: I work on tickets. Okay, you haven't. I had a

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Speaker 1: relationship with Aaron. I don't know if he didn't like

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Speaker 1: me anymore. You know, Aaron kind of comes and goes whatever.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to give me tickets relationship with Aaron,

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Speaker 1: but I'll reach out to a connection I have. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't. Actually I don't even know what I could.

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Speaker 1: I could probably get to do the Fox angle to

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Speaker 1: get the tickets, but but a beer afterwards with Aaron

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Speaker 1: an undisposed locations after they beat the Cowboys. That would

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Speaker 1: be amazing. Let's do it, brother, Thanks for joining me.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Man. Thanks. Yeah, remember to download, right, review, rate, subscribe,

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Speaker 1: do all that stuff. Thanks so much for listening. Im

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