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Speaker 1: from the Classic Factory. I'm Skeets. That's Trey. We got

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Speaker 1: jd on the board. The Indiana Pacers have acquired all

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Speaker 1: star forward Pascal Siakam in a three team deal that

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Speaker 1: sends Bruce Brown hence the cowboy hat there, Jordan noirra

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Speaker 1: and three first round draft picks to the Toronto Raptors.

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Speaker 1: The New Orleans Pelicans are the third team and the

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Speaker 1: deal sneaking in here, sending Kira Lewis to the Raptors

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Speaker 1: and the second round pick to the Pacers. Two of

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Speaker 1: the first round picks going to the Raps are for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, Indiana's own selection and the lesser of

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Speaker 1: from twenty twenty six, by way of Indy. We talked

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Speaker 1: about it on this morning's No Dunks podcast. If you're

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Speaker 1: sure you subscribe, and uh, it's official. It looks like

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Speaker 1: it's official and probably just has to go through the league. Here,

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Speaker 1: But we have Siakam going to the Indian Pacers. What

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Speaker 1: side do you want to start with here? You want

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Speaker 1: to start with Indy getting an All NBA altar player

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Speaker 2: Pascal Siakam an All Star All NBA player looking for

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Speaker 2: a huge contract. Apparently he's excited about his potential fit

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Speaker 2: here in Indianapolis. And I think it's a cool move

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Speaker 2: on the court for the Pacers to get a guy

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Speaker 2: He shot forty percent from three basically over the last

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Speaker 2: Tyre's Halliburton. He'll look great in transition, next to Halliburton,

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Speaker 2: next to matherin Nemhard. All these guards that the Pacers had,

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Speaker 2: the Pacers should be locked into the top seven. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't sound like a great advance, but a Pacers, team

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Speaker 2: won a first round series in a decade.

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Speaker 1: I like the move.

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Speaker 2: I like when teams try and win games, especially when

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Speaker 2: you got a young, exciting guy like Halliburton.

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Speaker 1: It's great to put a start next to him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: makes sense here. Siakam I believe is one of those

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Speaker 2: Pacers are already great at getting to the rim. They

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Speaker 2: and I think Siakam is that. And yeah, they're not

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Speaker 1: Able to pull off an upset. And when you look

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Speaker 1: This really only comes back to bite them in the

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Speaker 1: ass if suddenly scam in the offseason is like peace, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not the end of the world. It would be bad.

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Speaker 1: But it feels like they have some confidence in him

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Speaker 1: coming here and playing alongside Helbert and maybe have the

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Speaker 2: The Pacers have been a constant in the Siacam rumors

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Speaker 2: since the summer, so you know they must have some

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Speaker 2: sort of back channel negotiations where they're saying, yes, we

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Speaker 2: Siakam's representation is looking at the landscape seeing teams like

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Speaker 2: basically that twenty twenty six season. If all goes raw

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Speaker 2: that could be bad, but for their draft picks right now,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: So then they have just the twenty five twenty six

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Speaker 1: And I don't like this as a Raptors fan, but

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Speaker 1: they did well the Pacers to dig in their heels,

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Speaker 1: I assume a little bit and say, okay, no, we're

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Speaker 1: you don't have a whole lot better out there. He's

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Speaker 1: got the whole expiring deal. You're not gonna get a

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Speaker 2: I mean that must be the case. It's January seventeenth.

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Speaker 2: That's a great point, right, Like what weird timing from

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Speaker 2: Messi Zeri though, oh Jannanobe trade December thirtieth, Today January seventeenth.

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Speaker 2: Usually it comes right up to the trade deadline day

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Speaker 2: and we're calling it in and at Crewe fifty seven.

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Speaker 2: But Massi has obviously been having a lot of conversations

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Speaker 2: about Pascal Siakam trade destinations for basically a year at

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Speaker 2: there are no better deals, waiting only gives the Pacers

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Speaker 2: I think a good job for the Pacers to pay

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other issue with waiting, of course, is

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Speaker 2: You were looking forward to talking yourself into OI be topping.

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Speaker 1: Huh men, nem heard a little different, even Isaiah Jackson.

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Speaker 1: The Raptors play tonight at home to the Miami Heat.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember if the Pacers have a game here tonight,

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Speaker 1: but maybe not actually think they have a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a weird, little little break here, so we'll see

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Speaker 1: how quickly he gets into the lineup. But sucks that

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Speaker 1: Heliburton's not there when he first gets there. I actually wonder,

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Speaker 1: you know, did that have any impact on the trade

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Speaker 1: sort of being sped up and from Indiana side, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's go get an all star level guy while Helliburton's

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Speaker 1: over a cup weeks to try and sort of sort

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Speaker 1: of keep close to those teams in the second tier.

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Speaker 1: Like we said in the Eastern Conference, they have a

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Speaker 1: tough schedule that we talked about with Holle being out. Maybe,

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Speaker 1: but then again, I think massaiu Ziers like, oh, three

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Speaker 1: first round picks. That looks good in the headline. That's

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Speaker 1: not a bad you know, bad sort of haull to

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Speaker 1: get back for this guy, Let's do it. And I

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Speaker 1: don't like anything else everybody else is offering. So he

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Speaker 1: just pulled a bunk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the offers have been negotiated for a long time,

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Speaker 2: so surely he has the full lay of the land.

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Speaker 2: And maybe you're right, maybe the staying competitive in the

447
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Speaker 2: meantime is smart for the Pacers. Halliburton has been out

448
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Speaker 2: basically a week with the hamstring strain, which he means

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Speaker 2: he'll be evaluated again in another way and then we'll

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Speaker 2: see exactly when he's coming back. But those standings are

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Speaker 2: really really tight in the Eastern Conference right now, so

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Speaker 2: even a couple of weeks of poor play can cut

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Speaker 2: you behind the eight ball. But I don't know, do

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Speaker 2: you think the Raptors are totally done here? Like Bruce

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Speaker 2: Brown is a guy who could still have appeal to

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Speaker 2: other places around the league with his contract, and he can.

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Speaker 1: Be moved from what we've learned here today. Yeah that's true.

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Speaker 1: Say why not? Yeah, that he'd be available again. I

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Speaker 1: I joked about Bouche a little bit, but I think

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Speaker 1: teams should look at him as sort of a backup big.

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Speaker 1: You know, he has great moments for the Raptors, struggles

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Speaker 1: to get in Darko's rotation at times. Scary Gary. Scary

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Speaker 1: Gary is another one obviously. Yeah, he's got a contract

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Speaker 1: situation coming up with a lot of us thought it

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Speaker 1: was gonna be Buddy Healed coming to the Raptors in

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Speaker 1: this potential deal.

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Speaker 2: Brown.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the Raptors like, we already got Buddy Hill. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's the we got Buddy hild at home basically and Gary.

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Speaker 2: He's literally.

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Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, I forgot we had Grady Dick boy. No, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think to answer your question, absolutely, they shouldn't. They

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be done. Look this season, it's it's weird because

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Speaker 1: you're right, are they gonna catch the the soggy bottom boys,

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Speaker 1: the bottom five, the forlorn five at the bottom that

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Speaker 1: Hollands are called them?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Still, still, you could jump up there with the lottery gods.

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Speaker 1: If they shine upon you. You could jump up and

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Speaker 1: do a top three. You could jump up to the

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Speaker 1: number one pick. I mean, the difference isn't all that crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's like fourteen percent chance of the number one pick

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Speaker 1: for the three worst teams, and then you know, what

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Speaker 1: are you when you're the six team? You probably have

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Speaker 1: like a seven percent eight percent?

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Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. Okay, I just do

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Speaker 2: a quick sim here. So the Raptors got the first pick.

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Speaker 2: I'm bad, bro, I wasted I wasted the one good spin. Well,

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Speaker 2: send it in, got it, we already got the results.

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Speaker 1: Well that was insane. I saw it pop up. I

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Speaker 1: was like, was that the Raptors low it could happen? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they could keep that pick and they'll they'll move on here.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: The other part of that is like they could just

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Speaker 1: as easily be playing in a playing game. Like you know,

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Speaker 1: these teams are falling, they're not that far behind Hot

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Speaker 1: week or two. Maybe this all clicks soft part of

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Speaker 1: a schedule and they're right back in it. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that'll be the case, but they could. But they're

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Speaker 1: not gonna beating like whether they won the playing game

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Speaker 1: or not, nobody's beating those top teams, I don't think again, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're getting a repeat of the Heat

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Speaker 1: what they did to them.

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Speaker 2: No, it does appear to me to be the nine

505
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Speaker 2: and ten seeds in the Eastern Conference will be playing

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Speaker 2: to play against one more game. Yes, who knows, there's

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Speaker 2: a chance the Raptors get in there. I guess you're

508
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Speaker 2: right there only a game and a half back. I

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Speaker 2: know it's right now. The Nets are really struggling, but

510
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Speaker 2: Raptors have lost four straight. They have to start when

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Speaker 2: quickly came to town. But I don't know, Maybe we

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Speaker 2: get another new player, bump, get a couple wins there.

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Speaker 1: It's possible as possible as long as Ben Taylor's not

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Speaker 1: calling any games for us, we might have a chance,

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Speaker 1: all right, Any final thoughts here on the Pacers, Raptors

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Speaker 1: and sort of Pelicans three team deal here. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: a free Sam come moving over to Indiana.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we still got like weeks until the trade deadline,

519
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Speaker 2: and now this the the top guy is off the board.

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Speaker 2: Uh so I guess the next dominoes to fall should

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Speaker 2: be Dejonte Murray and Zach Levine. Yeah, and with a

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Speaker 2: proven playoff dude like off the board. I wonder what

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Speaker 2: it does for the offers for the other guys since

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Speaker 2: they're definitely a level behind. I would say where Sam

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Speaker 2: was and what he's accomplished in his career.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but then again, those guys under contract at least

527
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Speaker 1: you could look at that from one side of it.

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Speaker 1: You know, Zach Levine, that's a big contract, but he's

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Speaker 1: under contract. And then you know the flip side is

530
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Speaker 1: when they're not under contract, like like, well, there's fear

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Speaker 1: he could leave when you make a move like that.

532
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Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll see. Yeah, deadline, Wow, three weeks? Still,

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Speaker 1: is that true?

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Speaker 2: What is it? February eighth?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I do forget sometimes that they you know, over

536
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Speaker 1: recent years, have flipped it before the All Star break

537
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Speaker 1: and it's going to get to host an All Star

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Speaker 1: weekend in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: Again, you're exactly right.

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Speaker 1: That's good for him.

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Speaker 2: I think they'll out of waived the flag at the

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Speaker 2: Indy five hundred someday.

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Speaker 1: Well, do you think we're going to see a photo

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Speaker 1: of him on the court in the airport?

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Speaker 2: I helped.

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Speaker 1: I helped, That's why they put it there.

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Speaker 2: Rick Carlisle and Kevin Pritchard greeting him at the airport.

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Speaker 1: Wow, getting some shots up.

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Speaker 2: I love it right to see what you got. Better

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Speaker 2: make the first one though?

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Speaker 1: Wow, coming off you want to stretch a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, we'll see what the fallout is in the

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