1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast. We'll never forget David Blouse 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving performance. Oh no, we will not, Louis David blow Yes, 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: Lions back up. Okay, yes, we will never forget it. 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: From the Chris Westling podcast studio, It's Around the NFL. 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm Dan Jansas with Heroes, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler Blowhard Nation. 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: Where what's going on with the blow Hard newsletter mode? 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: It's a little there's a little bit less news these days. 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: It's kind of you're having to create content, you know how, 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: we know how that is sometimes. But to that point, 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: I mean he's a reality star now after that turn 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: on Hard knocks. To that point though, this all this 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: Mark is anti Lions business. I was on the Lions 13 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving train and created a newsletter about a Lions player 14 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: long before it became so popular. And then they went 15 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: and cut Yet as the writer of the David blow 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: blow Hard newsletter, resting what team is David blow one? 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: I see you searching, not you can't search. I believe 18 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: he is on. You write the vision stayed in the 19 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: NFC North It is the Vikings he is on. I 20 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: mean there's Thanksgiving again. There have been no issues of 21 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: the blood, like when he when he left the Lions 22 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: on hard knocks in that fashion. As these as the 23 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: editor in chief, I am in search of a new passion, 24 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: and you will find it. I trust that you will. 25 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: Everybody survived, um Zack Wilson as the Antichrist Monday in 26 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: the NFL media, barely barely we got through that ponderous Jesus, 27 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Mark really kicked it off by saying he's 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: not an NFL quarterback on Sunday night, Jesus Christ. I mean, 29 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 1: he wasn't on Sunday, But I don't think the person 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: needs to be taken behind the wood shed for four 31 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: thousand times in a row. Definitely had shades of Cower 32 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: on colts by this morning. Um, as the takes piled 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: up it. But we'll get to that. We'll get to everything. 34 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: This is the Thanksgive preview. It's a big cell. No, 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: it's just like now, I'm just saying we'll get to everything. 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if we can fulfill that promise, because 37 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to be hypocritical, because we get, you know, 38 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: riled up on the show about things, so maybe more 39 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 1: riled up than necessary. But this is now a It's 40 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: a trend here where whenever there's a story of people 41 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: sink their teeth into like by twenty four hours later, 42 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: when the same people are talking about it for the 43 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: second or third time, it just gets more and more 44 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: and more amped up in the hysteria about old quarterback 45 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: that played poorly and then said the wrong things in 46 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: the press conference, and all of a sudden he's being 47 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: talked called sham, shameful and disgraceful, and you know he'll 48 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: never get the trust back of the locker room. It's 49 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: just like, can we just lower the temperature? It's the holidays, 50 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: And I know you think that's because it's the Jets. 51 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: It's not. It's just like it's the same thing to 52 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: happen with the Colts. Everyone's gotta outtake each other until 53 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: we're screaming with our heads like on fire about something 54 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: that's so inconsequential in the big picture. I am with 55 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: you this the exhaustion factor. When one person is just 56 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: piled on over and over. It's like, I think we've 57 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 1: all made our our opinions known days ago, and it's 58 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: twenty four forty eight hours later and we're still destroying 59 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: this person verbally on playful little Twitter, Take a break, Twitter, 60 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it. Yes, we're gonna preview 61 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: all the Thanksgiving games, the John Madden Thanksgiving celebration as 62 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: it's now known. And don't get it wrong, I'm excited. 63 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: He said that he's gonna have an image on the 64 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: field there, that there's gonna be a logo on each 65 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: of the fields just in the three stadiums, and helmet 66 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: decals on the players, and John Madden is one of 67 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: the easier decals. I'm tracking what he I don't know why. 68 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: It's not. It's not an intentional choice, so it must be. 69 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: I don't that's more of a UK thing. But I 70 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: feel like maybe maybe our UK listeners can tell us 71 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: if they've already come forth and said that half of 72 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: these um uh verbalizations are not how they say it, 73 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: So I don't. I'm not clinging to London or England 74 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: or the or the or that country for that. All right, 75 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: let's do some news before we get to the games. 76 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: Mothy died, that le family by Monday night football Monday 77 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: did ESPID Monday died. John Sutcliffe got us to the 78 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: kickoff on Monday night in Mexico City with a spirited 79 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: declaration of the day of the game. I love the energy. 80 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: There was no misunderstanding when the game was played, by 81 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: the time that that ball was kicked to begin action. Uh. 82 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: In Mexico City, I gotta say the International Series, I 83 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: don't think it's ever been hotter. Henry Hotson has to 84 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: be happy over there in London. That crowd, it's like 85 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: the second straight game where the head coach says. Tom 86 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: Brady said it in Germany that was one of the 87 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: most unique experiences of his career, and Kyle Shannon said 88 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: it last night. It's one of the best experiences of 89 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: his career that I do think I came with it. 90 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: I do think it goes back to their their football 91 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: and their passion in Europe and Germany in Mexico for 92 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: that sport, and that's those crowds were insane. Think about 93 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: handsome Hank too great looking dude. Um takes a great 94 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: job to return to his homeland. Favorite team is the Dolphins, 95 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: one of the most exciting teams in football. He's um 96 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: the International Pathway program. Uh, the winning and now you 97 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: have this International Series which is just in full bloom. 98 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: Whatever Henry is getting paid winning, it needs to be tripled. 99 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: The guy's got tire blood. I would imagine his salary 100 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: because we've known him for over a decade, has been don't. 101 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a problem with the with the 102 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: deposit checking here next time. The main reason I want 103 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: to go to London again is so I can get 104 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: picked up by a private car paid for by Henry, 105 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: so I could see his castle. Yeah, that's right next 106 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: to Enya's castle. Ni. No, no, no, Remember that five 107 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: year stretch where Mark displayed Enya all the time? Miss that? 108 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: Where is that? Mark? I'll go back to that. I'll 109 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: hit that up occasionally. All right, Matthew Stafford, let's get 110 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: into it. He returned to the lineup for the Rams 111 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: against the Saints on Sunday, just two days after clearing 112 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: concussion protocol after missing Week ten, but did not finish 113 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: the game and re entered the league's five step concussion 114 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: protocol on Monday, putting his UH status in doubt very much. 115 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: I would think UH for the Rams upcoming game, and 116 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: in general, you would think maybe this is a situation 117 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: where he could be he could be just shut down. 118 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: We'll see. But either way, Greg, we talked about it 119 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: on the Sunday show, these um double concussions if you 120 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: want to call it that, which maybe that's not exactly, 121 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying, it's worrisome because the 122 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: obviously the leak's safety initiatives have helped in terms of 123 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: when you look at the data. But at the same time, 124 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: these these situations are scary that players are going back 125 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: on the field and not right, and we need coaches 126 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: to do a better job being clear with what's going on. 127 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh wouldn't answer a direct question about whether Matthew 128 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: Stafford suffered a concussion before last week's game and then 129 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: after this one. Uh, it's been very vague as well, 130 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: saying that they're still evaluating the circumstance. They did admit 131 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: that he is in the concussion protocol, but they said 132 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: further tests need to be done. I don't wanna point fingers. 133 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: I just want someone to be straight. And for whatever reason, 134 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: them not telling the media anything about any details of 135 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: why this, why there's a disconnect, like is creating further problems. 136 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: I feel like I think, even like even on Sunday 137 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: something we talked about it, something feels a little bit 138 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: off with the way that McVeigh is answering question or 139 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: having to. He said at one point like it's gonna 140 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: be about whether he could be available this week or again, 141 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna be about the person first and foremost. We're 142 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: gonna be totally in alignment with medical advice. But then 143 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: he goes on to say, with Matthew, with Kelly meaning 144 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: Kelly Stafford and all that kind of stuff, you can't 145 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: be too careful. I just get I'm just I don't know. 146 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: We're waiting to see, but I get the feeling that 147 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna find out. This is whether it's concussion related. 148 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: It could be a little bit more than that. There 149 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: could be something else going on that is making mcveigh's answers. 150 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: It making it tough for McVeigh to just say black 151 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: and white concussion, yes or no, this is what's going 152 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: with the NFL. P A also said they're monitoring how 153 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: how it's being handled. I have some speculation, but it 154 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't feel fair. I think that what we've 155 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: seen though, and I think this is fair to point 156 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: out that the Concussion Protocol has vagaries in it where 157 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: players can feel a certain way and they can also 158 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: passed that concussion protocol. We saw Christian Derrisaw returned quickly. 159 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: An offensive lineman who's going to take all these hits 160 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: every single week. It's guaranteed when you play, get out 161 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: of the protocol and then immediately suffer a concussion again 162 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: when he gets back on the field. So I think 163 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: the NFL is struggling. There's no right answer, but like, 164 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: you can get out of the protocol and still be 165 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: at heavy risk for a concussion. I think when it's 166 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: from a RAMS angle, to your point, Dan, like, why 167 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: do we need Matthew Stafford to play again anytime soon 168 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: in a Cooper Cup free offense? That is a horror 169 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: show behind their offensive line? You know what I when 170 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 1: I was any quarterback, when I was writing the Power rankings, 171 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: I was, I had the sentence with something like, you know, 172 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: given the RAMS standings where they're placing the standings and 173 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: Cooper Cup out, they should probably think, but it really 174 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: shouldn't have anything to do with anything that's going on 175 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: with the RAMS. If you're not if you're not sure 176 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: about what's going on with this brain injury for Matthew Stafford, 177 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: you gotta be safe about it. I would be disappointed 178 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: quite frankly without knowing. We don't know. Yeah, but I'd 179 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: be a little disappointed to see him on the field 180 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 1: given the way this is played out the last two weeks, 181 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: by the way they got, they got the Chiefs. This 182 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: week they went and checked. They will be not just 183 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: the worst defending super Bowl champion ever, but in terms 184 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: of record and analytics and all that, they probably will 185 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: be the worst defending super Bowl champion. Buy a lot, 186 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: like there's not even many with a losing record, and 187 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: those teams were like seven and nine when dark energy 188 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: levels higher for the super Bowl defender than any any other. 189 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: It's been a it's been a rough ride. Some say 190 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: they bought the title on credit and the bill came 191 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: do hey, Um, speaking of Zaddi's, you know, I think 192 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: about Mike McCarthy a lot, Greg with a little Zaddi 193 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: energy in this button down, and you know I think 194 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: that Greg might take on this, and I wanted to 195 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: save it for the show. Um because I'm gonna use 196 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: some football parlance here, or as Mark WoT say, you 197 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: also famously don't like having um quality interactions off air, 198 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: But what's the point. Yeah, you gotta save it. Um 199 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: that shirt for you given your style is a tendency breaker. Okay, 200 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: yeah it's no, it's um. If you're listening to this 201 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: and you're just driving around, it is a a checkered 202 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: blue and lime not lime. But I would say it's 203 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: like forest packed the picnic, bring the blanket, let's go 204 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: to the park with the children. It's got a button 205 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: right up. It's a point of departure, right. The kids 206 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: love it. Just never know where that thing's gonna bounce. Yeah, 207 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: it's not. Um, it's not a shirt. I feel overly comfortable, 208 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: and so I have a I have a thing that 209 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: I do with my I love throwing away things, any 210 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: objects close, anything waste could be given to chop. Yes, 211 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: you're giving away of course. This is a like a 212 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: ten dollar shirt. Probably be my friend, jerks. I uh, 213 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: you gotta wear it one time, or wear one more 214 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,599 Speaker 1: time and then to make your final decision before you 215 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: get ready garbage can. You're gonna throw it in as 216 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: you're leaving the building today. It's not a bad shirt. 217 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: It's a tendency breaker. Um. And Bryce Perkins cannot think 218 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: I should keep it. I do because I think it's 219 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: good to keep it in the next or you could 220 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: do one of your thinking where one of your like 221 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: little T shirt you like with an open and then 222 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: you kind of get the best of both worlds. Oh, 223 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: that's like a late week option. I like that Saturday scenario. 224 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: The little T shirts you're like also known as just 225 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: T shirts mark you know what I mean. It's like 226 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: the picture you were saying. I think anyone listening said 227 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: some type of Japanese theme T shirt on the Friday 228 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: Fun Show the shirts any Japanese theme T shirts. All right, 229 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: let's move on. Yes, we touched on it with the 230 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson is the Antichrist tour in the media on Monday. 231 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: Um it game more steam the story. It was a 232 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: big story after Sunday, the way things played out with 233 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: the Jets and his poor play. Then I picked up 234 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: steam because Robert Sale came out in the UH for 235 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: his press availability and for the first time ever, UH 236 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: blinked when talking about Zach Wilson is the Future. I'm 237 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: going to get to the tape and just evaluate everything, 238 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: and Uh, I'll leave it at that. We're keeping everything 239 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: on the table over the next couple of days. So 240 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: so you're not committing to Zack as your starter for Sunday, 241 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: not right now on until I'm don't evaluating everything. I'm not, um, 242 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: I'm not feeling good about Zack Wilson. Anybody listens to 243 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: this podcast notes For the most part, I've always had 244 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: my guard up with Wilson and it's not looking good 245 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: right now. Um. But I also see the value and 246 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: continuing to play him right now, even if it seems 247 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: like a bad idea that can ruin their season. Part 248 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: of that is because I don't think Mike White or 249 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: Joe Flacker actual upgrades. I'd rather ride at ride it 250 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: out with Wilson, and if it costs you your season, 251 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: it was probably gonna be anyway if you have to 252 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: go to your backups at that point. But my my 253 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: main point to take out of that, and I think 254 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: Wilson starts against the Bears. I think he put him 255 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: on blast publicly, and I think that was for two reasons. 256 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: One because Wilson needs to be put on blast because 257 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: this play has been so poor. But to the locker 258 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: room needed the head coach to come out and and 259 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: basically tell the media, but also tell the room. I 260 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: hear you, guys, I understand your frustration, and I'm not 261 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: gonna keep coming out there and saying that the quarterback 262 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: change is the furthest thing from my mind, because that's 263 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: a disconnect, and and Saul is walking a tight rope 264 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: of trying to keep the quarterback's confidence up but also 265 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: not lose his locker room. I thought it was handled 266 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: definitely by um Sala, but it still doesn't mean he's 267 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: not in a lot of trouble right now with the 268 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: way the quarterback is playing. I mean, in a way, 269 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: this is a great development for the Jets. And I 270 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: hear me out because if the Jets, no one's asking 271 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: why are the Texans sticking with Davis Mills. The Texans 272 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: are in a deep abyss the Jets, and I think 273 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: they're bending him this week. Greg. What I'm saying is 274 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: no one's sitting around debating whether or not bad quarterbacks 275 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: on bad teams should play. The Jets are a playoff contender, 276 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: and so it's like you, you have the locker room 277 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: steamed because they see that they have like a super 278 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: Bowl level defense and just simply want the offense to 279 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: do its part. And I think his you know, Zach 280 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: Wilson's answer of no, I didn't like let anyone down 281 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: it probably it definitely rubbed the locker room the long 282 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: way we get it. Zach Wilson's young will learned to 283 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: not say that next time around. But point being, like 284 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: you are on the cusp of January play for the 285 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: first time in ever. You have to be accountable to 286 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: your coaching staff, to your players, and you have to 287 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: explore all options. And I think they went as far 288 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: as they could with Zach Wilson, and if they were 289 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: one in nine or something, you keep going. It wouldn't matter. 290 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: It matters, and that's a good thing for the Jets 291 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: and their fans. Here at a different point of view, 292 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: and the Benjing doesn't have to be for the rest 293 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: of his career. It doesn't even need to be for 294 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: the rest of the season. We'll find out the answer 295 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: to this question on Wednesday. Almost always when a coach 296 00:15:55,040 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: equivocates on Monday, the guy is bench because because he 297 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: said previously Robert Salah, Zack Wilson is their starter the 298 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: rest of the season. Now what they say at these 299 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: Pretts conferences, I don't think you should have to hold 300 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: it to him. He said that trying to make show 301 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: some confidence. And if he benches him, you should bench 302 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: him because that's the best thing for the team. I 303 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: would disagree though, that it's not a big difference. I 304 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: think there's a significant difference between Joe Flacco and most 305 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: likely Mike White and Zack Wilson. I think it's I 306 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: think it's sizeable. I think those players that Mike White 307 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: made in a couple of times he's played where he 308 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: just sees where the blitz is coming and gets rid 309 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: of the ball. It's like one day, right, I think preseason, 310 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: I think his other performances even just just the little things. 311 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: And then Joe Flacco, we we've seen. I know Joe 312 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: Flacco is not a good quarterback. You and I have 313 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: a very deep disconnect on Flacco and what he can do. 314 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: But I again, I'm not gonna fight it and say 315 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: there's no reason that Jack Wilson should be bench because 316 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: you can make the case for morale just for trying 317 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: to get the offense going right. I mean, I just 318 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: mean they literally elbowl the yardage with Joe Flacco. It's 319 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: not like it's comparable. You're gonna have organization with stats 320 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: are to me a little bit. But when you agree 321 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: that part of the Zack Wilson issue is like he's 322 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: just not picking this up and like Flacco's got limitations. 323 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: We call him stone age pony for a reason. But 324 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: he may bring a fair amount of organization. They just 325 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: need like better quarterback play, and they might be they're 326 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: able to beat anyone. The time means tricky. Though they 327 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: have the easiest schedule in the league in terms of 328 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: posing quarterbacks in the defense that they face. I think 329 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: according to e p A the rest of the season 330 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: that starts with facing the worst defense in the league 331 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: in terms of e p A over the last five 332 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: weeks in the Chicago Bears this week. So the schedule 333 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: is incredibly easy, the easiest in the league, and so 334 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: I don't know how that informs this choice. To me, 335 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: it would maybe make them more willing to stick with 336 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson. And that's what I think because I, like 337 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: I said on Sunday, I do think the organization, whether 338 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: it's maybe it's stubbornness at this point, but they think 339 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: they're something salvageable and that's something they could build on 340 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: with Wilson. So I would think they're gonna give him 341 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: a start against Chicago and if he flops there, then 342 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: all bets are off, but it was a very notable 343 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: thing the way things turned in that press conference. Let's 344 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: take a break, we'll be right back. Welcome back. Um, 345 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: let's talk about Justin Field, who should be a Jet. 346 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: But you know what, we're not gonna do that. We're 347 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: not gonna play that game. Um. You know, they brought 348 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: me on NFL Now today and I do a power ranking, 349 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: said every Tuesday, and they're like, damn, you know, can 350 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: you stick around for the one one more thing, like 351 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: we love what you just did? Could you could you add? 352 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: Could you do more? That's nice? Okay? And then one 353 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: more thing is everybody up there gets their turn by 354 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. It's me, Jeff, judea Baldi, Uh, 355 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: Andrew heavy hitters. It's a nice, it's a nice, it's 356 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: a nice crow and uh and Jeff gets an your 357 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: Collette great producer and says, hey, ten year anniversary of 358 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: the butt fan bumble. Come on, you know the Jets guy. 359 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: This week's got to end. Take me to Thanksgiving. You 360 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: could have said no, you took you took it like 361 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: a champ. What did you say about it? I said 362 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: exactly what I'm basically expressing. To you guys like, ha ha, 363 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: everybody get their chuckles in Johnny chuckles. But Dan in 364 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: the wheelbar and rolling up to the set so he 365 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: could make fun of himself and his horrible team. Um, 366 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: which I which I took it on the chain. But 367 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: I also mentioned our podcast and said everyone's so focused 368 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: on the Mark Sanchez but fumble, which was objectively funny. 369 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: But I remember Mark Sanchez beating the Patriots in the playoffs, 370 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: going to the a f C title game twice in 371 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: a row. What did you say about our our show 372 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: though that Mark Sanchez was on the show. Oh so 373 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: you didn't mention Greg and I specifically, Oh no, Well, 374 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: I mean you know who I want to mention, Jason Zumwalt. 375 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: Great job in the Monday Night football recap, speaking of 376 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 1: like taking one for the team. He's a Cardinals fan 377 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: and he went on after that disgraceful team no shows 378 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: and that he called. Yeah. I apologized for using his 379 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: misery for content, but the pathos was real. He played 380 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: it well, He played all right. Um, yes, justin fields. 381 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: There are differing reports on the status of his shoulders. 382 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: The Bears prepared for the Jets on Sunday, we have 383 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport our guy and Pellicero, who are both saying 384 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: he suffered a left shoulder dislocation that he played through 385 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: against the Falcons, which is absurd. That's like Mel Gibson 386 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: and lethal weapon to stuff. Um, that's a weird reference. 387 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: But we're gonna keep moving. Uh and uh. But we're 388 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: hearing from other places here Greggy that it's it's not dislocated, 389 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: and that would be I would think good news for 390 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: the Bears, but his status up in the air as 391 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: of right now. Well, I trust our guys just to 392 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: be I think we are contractually obligated, right and if 393 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: you do watch us on YouTube, there's no question about it. 394 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: Just says he suffered it because the Rapsie and the 395 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: pell the pell dog Pelly. I think I think he 396 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: needs a better nickname than that pell. Yeah. It was 397 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: very weird though that Matt eber Flews, their coach, say 398 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: he's day to day, but he wouldn't rule him out 399 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: being out for the season. I like what that is 400 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: weird Everything on the table for Jet's while there's still 401 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: a question because the Jets versus Trevor Simeon, Yes, definitely, 402 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: Za Wilson, Well, if they're going against the worst defense 403 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: in the league in Trevor Simeon, I would feel comfortable 404 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: no matter who think the Bears rolled out the same 405 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: offense with Trevor Simmons. We'll we'll find out. But that 406 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: is um that's concerning because they were a fun part 407 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: of this season despite all the losing. I really hope 408 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: he's able to I mean, one way or the other. 409 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: Not he's not feeling great like I may be a 410 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 1: surprise if we see them all at all this weekend. Alright, 411 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: Justin Graver, we have some developing news right now as 412 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: we're in the studio. It's not related to any of 413 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: the news that we've had on the show, but I 414 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: have to I have to share what you just sent me. 415 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: Drews Rushinson go ahead of the Rams waived Darryl Henderson 416 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: and Justin Hollands. And I don't care if Drew Christensen 417 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: says this wasn't worthy of developing news or whatever he said. 418 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what he said. This is a guy 419 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: who's been starting, uh for the Super Bowl winner a 420 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: lot of the times. Darryl Henderson a mid round fantasy picks. 421 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: That's weird. What is going on? With that too. This 422 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: is after they were like in issue having multiple issues 423 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: with cam Akers. What's gonna Justin Hollins also, am I 424 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: wrong that he's been starting quite a bit for for them, 425 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: very strange becoming a legit meltdown. Five starts by Justin 426 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: Hollins this year. Just Jordan Rodrigue, our friend from the 427 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,239 Speaker 1: Athletic who covers the Rams. Henderson and Hollands have been 428 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,479 Speaker 1: consistent starters for this team. I wonder, Yeah, maybe some 429 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: locker room discord people not happy with their usage. Potentially 430 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: that was what was up with cam Akers. The Henderson 431 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: had a very strange game on Sunday where he started 432 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: almost every drive and those were the only snaps of 433 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: the game he took. He would play one snap and 434 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: then he would leave. I think he played five or 435 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: six snaps the whole game, which is an interesting, very 436 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: weird UM. Finally in the news, good news, Greggy. The 437 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: m v P vote is being um expanded to include 438 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: a top five in terms of voting. Drew, our video producer, 439 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: UM wrote to me, and this is his quote. Greg 440 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: hit Greg up quick after this on the AP voting changes. 441 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,959 Speaker 1: He wants to mention it because he's a nerd and 442 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: maybe this makes him feel like he's part of the 443 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: quote unquote media is a media member. As far as 444 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: I know, this is I mean what this says about 445 00:23:55,640 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: our relationship. Yeah, is more important than this m v P. Know, 446 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: actually nothing is more important than this. I've been asking 447 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: for this for years and I'm excited that it's happening. 448 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: Remember that whole thing, old Russell Wilson's never got an 449 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 1: m v P vote. Uh, it's unfortunate. That's why this 450 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: is no fly. We went back back in time, Russell 451 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: Wilson would get to fifth place vote. He would have 452 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: gotten a number of sixth, third or fourth place votes 453 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 1: over the years. I just think other sports do this 454 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: and it makes so much sense and it makes the 455 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: award better. And now you can like talk about your 456 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: whole top five list. Okay, where do I put Tyreek 457 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: Hill on that? Do I put him above to h? Like? 458 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 1: Are they both on the list? Now? It's not just 459 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: like your an idiot if you don't vote Patrick Mahomes 460 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: at this point, it's Patrick Mahomes. But I like the two, three, four, 461 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: or five. You can involve defensive players ken it could 462 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: alter races too. I mean, if you look at it 463 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: like there are a couple examples like in two thousand five, 464 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: Sean Alexander one m v P with nineteen votes, Peyton 465 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: Manning Tom Brady had thirteen and ten. If you start 466 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: to tabulate the second the third, like that could be toppled. 467 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: And so I'm just saying, like it matters now, it's 468 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: going to force what they're gonna they won't, but the 469 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: in theory they should be watching a lot more games. 470 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm not saying the votes, Well, you know who isn't 471 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: us because we're not like remember our Pro Football Writers 472 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: Association this I want to be a real member. We 473 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: got to go work somewhere else. It can't be working 474 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: for the league and get on the tea. Yeah, you 475 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: have to get off the league tea, trade in your Porsche, 476 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: work for the Associated Rod share birthday. You and Barry Wilt, 477 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: we've got a bond. H. It's mostly beat writers and 478 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: then also some national reporters. Uh, there's also national broadcasters 479 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: who are on the list. Uh. There was a former 480 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: colleague of mine at NBC. I wouldn't say that he 481 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: was aware of my name or still wouldn't be that 482 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: had a vote that famously barely followed for Paul, despite 483 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: his position in the industry, and he would have his 484 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: assistant do his vote, and even his assistant would sort 485 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: of ask around to get why aren't they weeding? Why 486 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: aren't they on an annual basis weeding a figure like 487 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: that out of the mix? Why? Why would they not 488 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: realize that person is that deeply unplugged? Why are they 489 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: still hanging around? It was the hero of yours as 490 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: a child. I'm not going to give away who this was. Well, 491 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: but now we got to take this out. I don't know, 492 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: could we really say that? I want I want proof 493 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: of that, correct? Um. I think part of the reason 494 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: is it was so simplified to this point that people 495 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: weren't really overthinking anything about it. We're just picking one guy. Yeah, yeah, 496 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: all right. Let's take a break and then we'll preview 497 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving games. All right, welcome back. UM, three Thanksgiving games. 498 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: They're all pretty good, maybe the best we've ever covered 499 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving, because right now it's also like three of 500 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: the best games of this week. These might be the 501 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: three best games right here. Should we just take Sunday 502 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: off them? We've fantasized mark about the off Sunday for years. 503 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: Maybe this is the one our own bye week to 504 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: get healthy, to get to rebuild, to look at your 505 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: own work, you know self. Graver sit up in his 506 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: chair and he was like, I'm on I'm on Good 507 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: Morning Football for a segment every Tuesday for power rankings, 508 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: and I see those chairs. They switched people out a 509 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: lot of weeks off. Bamb wasn't in this week, Jamie 510 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: wasn't in the week before. I think they keep Kyle 511 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: in their Kyle's not odd to leave, but um, maybe 512 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: it's maybe it's time. Let's think about it. Let's take 513 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: this off offline. I feel like every time we've ever 514 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: discussed it, it's been squatted down, um, pretty thoroughly within 515 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: five minutes of the conversation beginning. Let's let's talk about it. 516 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,719 Speaker 1: Let's get into it. And by the way, this is 517 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: different for the first time hit. The inaugural John Madden 518 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Celebration will be old on Thursday. Will feature special 519 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: broadcast tributes from CBS, Fox, and NBC. Each network will 520 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: select a Madden Player of the Game this season, and 521 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: the John Madden logo on fields and Madden helmet decals 522 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: for player. John Matten of course, the great former Raiders 523 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: head coach, broadcaster video game icon passed away. Um is 524 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: it early this year? Last year? When did we lose John? 525 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: I think it was last year. Um, John Madden just 526 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: edged out Trent Green. It was almost the Trent Green 527 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving celebration. But we're going bad. Had they done the 528 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: voting for that the way that we're talking about the 529 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: m v P voting, maybe Trent Green. There is no 530 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: question Trent Green would have gotten a vote in that 531 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: chief season where they went thirteen and three. Priest Holmes maybe. 532 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: So let's get to it. And that's that's why I 533 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: almost ended up with being named the tribute person. All Right, 534 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: the laws to an odd place there, Yeah, that was weird. 535 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: Let's just swerve right back into the correct lane and 536 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: talk about the Bills and Lions at Ford Field. The 537 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: Bills didn't I think they did go home. Um, they 538 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: played Sunday against the Browns because of the snowstorm in 539 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: western New York. I would have stayed. Hypothetically, you could 540 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: have just stayed like a massive like um luxurious Airbnb 541 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: and bond as a team before you go destroy Detroit Lions. 542 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: I agree. I would have done the same thing, but 543 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: I don't think they did that. But they will be 544 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: back at Ford Field for the second consecutive week and 545 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: they get the Lions, and it works out really well 546 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: for us as football fans, because, uh, the last three weeks, 547 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: the Bills have lost two of three. They got their 548 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: w um on Sunday, but still not quite themselves, while 549 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: the Lions, the team of around the NFL, have reeled 550 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,479 Speaker 1: off three straight victories, so the game matters. The Lions, 551 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: in fact mark are in second place in the NFC 552 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: North and they are within striking distance in the wild 553 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: card race, and the Bill Old they're just looking at 554 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: stack wins and keep pace with the Chiefs in the 555 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: a f C. Last three games during this little hot streak, 556 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: the Lions have a twenty plus point differential, six plus 557 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: turnover differential and plus five and sacks. I mean they 558 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: they're starting to round into what they talked about all along. 559 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: And I really loved their last game where it was 560 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: basically like, we will lean on the ground game. We're 561 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: not gonna ask Jared Goff to save us. I thought 562 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: going in against the Giants that they were going to 563 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: get pummeled because Wink Martindale would find a way to 564 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: disrupt Jared Goff. He basically was relatively untouched in that game, 565 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: only three pressures despite the Giants applying like sixty percent 566 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: blitz rate, And so that tells you the line um 567 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: is helping out in this situation. So I like that 568 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: a lot against a really rough uh to deal with 569 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: Bills front. They've got a couple of injuries themselves. But 570 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: for me with the Bills, I mean, you know they 571 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: have had their ups and downs against the run, but 572 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: they stamped out Cleveland. I thought that was such an 573 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: impressive showing to give Nick Chubb as worst career days. 574 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: So that's sit telling me. If you can take away 575 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: Detroit on the ground, that puts the Lions into some 576 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: hot water. It's crazy how Jamal Williams has evolved into 577 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: their top back in one of their key players and 578 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: leaders and we saw that on hard Knocks, like his leadership, 579 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: but we also heard them saying DeAndre Swift could be 580 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: one of the great players in the league and now 581 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: he's their third running back. I think you hit on 582 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: the key part of this game. It was that Bills 583 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: run defense one week phenomenon. I mean, they've been good 584 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: defensively all season, but they are without Greg Russo uh 585 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: most likely again there without a j Epinessa. They're probably 586 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: without Tremaine Endmunds. These guys are all not practicing, so 587 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: I'm projecting here, but it doesn't sound like they're gonna play. 588 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: And I think they're a team that you can pick 589 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: on their cornerbacks. Dane Jackson's really been struggling lately, Kayer 590 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: Elam's hurt. Their rotating guys in and out. The Lions 591 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: offense has a really good offensive line. I know the 592 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: Bills are a really good defense, but Ben Johnson, their coordinator, 593 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: the Lions coordinator, comes up with something every week that 594 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: really impresses me. And I think they they can give 595 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: us some entertainment on Thanksgiving. This is one of the 596 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: most watch games of the year every season. The Cowboys 597 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: game is always the most watch game of the year 598 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: on you know, the Thanksgiving game, But this Lions game 599 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: is close. And this is the most interesting Lions Thanksgiving 600 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: games since maybe Matthew Stafford was dragging around that bum 601 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: shoulder against the Browns. Although those two teams stunk. Was 602 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: that on Thanksgiving? I don't know. They've lost seven straight 603 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: games on Thanksgiving and that and or five straight, I 604 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: should say. And you know, for years we've talked about 605 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: on this podcast, and I've said, take the Lions out 606 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: of and take them out of the spot. And this 607 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: is for the country, It's not just for Detroit, but 608 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: not not anymore. I think they are a team that 609 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: has a national presence, and it's not just because of 610 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,479 Speaker 1: hard knocks. But I think I did play a role. 611 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: I think that was a very smart decision business wise 612 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: to get people more and more invested in this team. 613 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: Now we see if they can really really shock people 614 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: by beating the Bills and and I think and a 615 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: half point dogs. Yeah, and that's about right. And that's 616 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: where kind of where I put a Jeffe Couda suffered 617 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: a concussion, I believe on Sunday, so let's imagine that 618 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: he will um be out in this game. But who 619 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: knows um. And I'm just interesting with the Bills um 620 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: that they did commit to the run against the Browns 621 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: thirty three for one seventy one Cooking Singletary both had 622 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: eighty six yards in that game. Is that a thing now? 623 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: Are they going to try to commit to the run 624 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: or is that more a blip on the radar, because 625 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: I think part of that had a lot to do 626 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: with Cleveland's absolutely horrible rund. But if you can run 627 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: the ball, and the Bills are if they can run 628 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: the ball, they should because that does take some pressure 629 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: off Alan to feel like he needs to do everything, 630 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: which sometimes you get that vibe. Yeah, last week he 631 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: did about as little as they've asked him to do 632 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: in a game, and I don't know how long. I mean, 633 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: he didn't run the ball. He only threw the ball 634 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: I think twenty seven times in that game. I loved 635 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,959 Speaker 1: how James Cook looks like, where where have you been 636 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: all season? James Cook? Sometimes these rookies, it's like the 637 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: light goes on the practicing during the season. You you 638 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: learn how to prepare, you understand the playbook. He could 639 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: really change that team because I think Singletary is a 640 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: good runner. That's not been their problem. It's not like 641 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: they don't have running backs. I think they have them, 642 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: and the Lions showed last week they really changed what 643 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: they did to stop say Kwan Barkley played man to 644 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,479 Speaker 1: man coverage on the outside and just loaded up up front. 645 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: That's very risky to do. I don't think you can 646 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,439 Speaker 1: do that against the Bills. So I'd like to see 647 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: uh a little more a cook. Can I give you 648 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: one little tidbit, cook, a tidbit that I found interesting 649 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: about this game. So the Bills are playing in Detroit 650 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: in in a five days span twice. It's all they 651 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: happened to other times in in the NFL history. The 652 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: first was the Patriots to Sophie a couple of years ago. 653 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: But the other one was the nineteen thirty two Portsmith 654 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: Spartans over twice twice in five days, dealing with the 655 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: Staten Island Stapleton's And we have a is that related 656 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: to the Christie Stapleton Stapleton's oft We don't know, but 657 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: that's an NFL nugs. I have a second little nugg 658 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: that the day before the Bills traveled to this should 659 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: have been on our Sunday show. The day before the 660 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: Bills traveled to Detroit, a man named squirrel Winter Doug 661 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 1: Josh Allen out of like a seven foot snow bank 662 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: in front of his house. I thought he was on 663 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: the ports Smith. No, no, this is a human being 664 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: in Western New York being squirrel Winter just like antaloons, 665 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: you know, It's like Josh Allen got out to a 666 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: really slow start in that Browns game, and I think 667 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: the day before you've got a man named Squirrel Winter 668 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: digging you out there, going through a lot as a person, 669 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: I think if the if the Bills do recover from 670 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: this mini slump and win the Super Bowl, you gotta 671 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: give a ring to I mean it, absolutely all the 672 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: after parts. That first team again, the one from the 673 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: Staten Island states. Oh, I like that stable, the Portsmouth 674 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: Spartans Smith your panel, they are now the Lions. That's wild. 675 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: Take me through the history. See like this. That wasn't 676 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: a totally invaluable nugget was questionable to some degree. This 677 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: batup features smarter features the two core t backs who 678 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,240 Speaker 1: lead the NFL according to PF and turnover worthy plays. 679 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: Jared Goff is number two, Josh Allen is number one. 680 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 1: You know, I not think that Jared Goff is nearly 681 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: that bad. I think he's been okay this year. He 682 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: hasn't been that bad, but he gives the other team 683 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: a chance, usually about twice per game. Let's move to 684 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: the middle game. Now it is who's hiven Mark? You're 685 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: a little in your feelings about the Giants on Sunday Show. 686 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: I am still so let's now if they truly are 687 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: a team that you believe in, that people should not 688 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: have been so dismissive because the lines uh pants them 689 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 1: at the meadow Lands. Well, let's see you show yourself 690 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: as a real deal NFC Titan and give the Cowboys 691 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: a ballgame at Jaral World. Do you think they have 692 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: it in them? Well, this is a tough spot for 693 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: but I think they have it in them. I think 694 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: they can make it a game if this is one 695 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: of those weeks where you can run on the Cowboys 696 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: who gave up two plus two the Packers. They gave 697 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: up two hundred plus to the Bears, which there's a 698 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: obviously the Justin Fields element to that. I'm looking at 699 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense right now and just saying I don't 700 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: know about this, because they've been absolutely the way they 701 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 1: looked last week, they could beat any team in the league, 702 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: um handily outside of maybe the Chiefs and the Giants. 703 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: Right now, we mentioned on Sunday, are coming out of 704 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: a game a loss to the Lions where you've got 705 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: half your offensive line totally banged up. You don't have 706 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: one deal Robinson. They're really thin at at in the 707 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: wide receiver group and you're paying playing the number one 708 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: past defense in the league. That creates utter havo havoc 709 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: for quarterbacks. So for New York, I think it's a 710 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: terrible matchup right now. They also ran You mentioned how 711 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: how well you know the the Giants have run the 712 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: ball and how poor the Cowboys run defense has been 713 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 1: at times this year. They ran it well in Week three. 714 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,760 Speaker 1: That was a game. I know these are completely different teams. 715 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: That was a Cooper rush game, but they were able 716 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: to run the ball a hundred and sixties seven yards 717 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: against the Cowboys, and that feels like they're only chan 718 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: and s Qwon did not run well a week ago. 719 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: I thought he was tentative. I know the offensive line 720 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: kept losing battles, but he kind of got back to 721 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,240 Speaker 1: like trying to make big plays and they couldn't get anything. 722 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: The Giants just aren't built for third and long. I mean, 723 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: they don't have a good enough offensive line. I think 724 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones has done well enough. But you mentioned losing 725 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: Wandale Robinson. For a minute. Wanda Robinson was like their 726 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: number one receiver and they're just trying out new guys. 727 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: Every week. Kenny Golladay had a couple of catches last 728 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: week maybe understanding ovation. Actually after the first one, the 729 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: Wanda Robinson thing stinks because, um, watching the game on 730 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: Monday after the fact, you know, they keep on throwing 731 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: them the ball and it's like, um, kind of an 732 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: underrated funny movie. Um, Hot Top Time Machine came out 733 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: like twelve years ago. There's like problems double thumbs up 734 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 1: from grave Digger. Um, there's a who's the Who's the 735 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: guy from Back to the Future with the face with 736 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 1: the very Crispin Glover. He plays like a bell hop 737 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: who you learned in the beginning of the film has 738 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: one arm, and then the whole movie you're waiting for 739 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: to learn how he loses the arm. And it was 740 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: sad watching uh Wanda Robinson because he was making play 741 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: after play after playing, and I'm like, oh no, he's 742 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: gonna hurt his knee. He's gonna hurt his knee, and 743 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 1: then sure enough he goes down poorly and it's an 744 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: a c L injury. So um tough for the giants. 745 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: I was gonna lock this one up. I didn't even 746 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 1: look at the spirits. I was thinking the same thing, 747 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: how Boys by nine. So the Vegas is begging you 748 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:35,280 Speaker 1: to believe in the Giants, but I I can't certainly 749 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: not this more down on the Giants relative to their 750 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,919 Speaker 1: record than almost any team I can ever remember. At 751 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: no point this year have they viewed them as an 752 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: even average team. They've they've been below average. They've been 753 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 1: waiting for the correction, and and it happened last week. 754 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll give them a chance to 755 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: keep it close. Usually things kind of come back to 756 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: the mean. But the depth of the Cowboys pass rush 757 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: is just crazy because you get so worried about Parsons 758 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: and they have Andrew Thomas, who's one of the best 759 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,879 Speaker 1: left tackles in the league. When when Parsons is lined 760 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 1: up over there to neutralize him a little bit, But 761 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: then you gotta be worried about Lawrence, and you gotta 762 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: be worried about Sam Williams has a lot of juice, 763 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 1: and Donte Fowler gets in there, and there's just so 764 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,439 Speaker 1: many guys and a coach who really creates unique game 765 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: plans every week, and every once in a while, like 766 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 1: in Green Bay, it goes bust like he got crazy 767 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: creative there, and it just didn't work, but I think 768 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: he has a lot of ways to beat the one 769 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: little note on the Michael Parsons knee situation, Dr Jerry 770 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,760 Speaker 1: jones Um issued this quote this week. His physical durability, 771 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 1: durability is amazing. We're expecting him to go Thanksgiving Day. 772 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 1: It's a big moment. I don't think Parsons has a choice. No, 773 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 1: you're playing Marca. Yeah. I think I'd love to see 774 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: a great Dak game, just like I just we just 775 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 1: know that's what I mean. But now Dax had a 776 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: weird career where he's either like absolutely incredible or weird 777 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: in the middle or a mediocre And I want to 778 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: see the absolutely incredible back because his legs, he's feeling it. 779 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: You can see the confidence in the legs. Let's go 780 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 1: the other way on this, because the Cowboys have a 781 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: bit of a spotty record in recent memory. For me 782 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving themselves, I could see it going the other 783 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,360 Speaker 1: way where the Cowboys have some self inflicted errors and 784 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: the Giants do what they've done for most of the season, 785 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,359 Speaker 1: hang around and all of a sudden, yes it is 786 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 1: Oh God, se Kwan just broke one and we're down 787 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,839 Speaker 1: seventeen midway through the fourth quarter, I could see that. 788 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: I'm not I don't think that's how it's gonna play out. 789 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: But the Cowboys, just through years of being the Cowboys, 790 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: can't you see them kind of playing down to their 791 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: opponent a little bit and making this a close game? 792 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 1: The way the Giants that play this year, it's a 793 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: good one. They every one of these games is also 794 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: gonna have a Madden Player of the Game like like 795 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: they like in the old days. Couldn't you see se 796 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley being that guy that comes on up and 797 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: eats that six legged turkey. I don't really believe in 798 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 1: these things. Yeah, if it's close, you're right. I started 799 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: trust the Giants. Would you believe in the Trent Green 800 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: turkey leg? What don't you believe in? I mean, Trent 801 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: Green is was announcing uh Jet's Patriots just a week ago, 802 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: so it just seemed like a weird move to make 803 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: the just to honor him. But what is it you 804 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: don't believe in? You're saying, Um, I don't know. Well, 805 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,399 Speaker 1: I mean, probably a lot of boys in a close game. 806 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: But I was gonna throw out a stat You're right, 807 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: the Cowboys have lost two in her own Thanksgiving. They 808 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 1: are one in nine against the spread in their last 809 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: ten Thanksgiving. So if if nothing else, uh, people think 810 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 1: that they're better than they are and Thanksgiving and the 811 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: Cowboys haven't exactly handled success well over the years exactly. 812 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: But like we said, the Sharps, they got Buffalo nine 813 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 1: and a half, they got Dallas laying in the wood nine. 814 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,880 Speaker 1: Finally we get to the wise guys, the wise guys. 815 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: Finally we get to a game where you know, Mr 816 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: Think Coke Bottle Rims in Vegas with all the monitors everywhere. 817 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 1: Greg in twenty years says, this one's a tight one. 818 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 1: This is tight, that's right. They go eat away Patriots 819 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 1: at Vikings. Surprisingly to me small spread two and a half. 820 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: I think they're really into football outsiders, um uh Vegas 821 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: right now because I mean they have their own version, 822 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: because I was, they were on their own numbers. They 823 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: were listening to these bookies on the radio. Though they 824 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 1: don't sound like they watch any of these games at all, 825 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,399 Speaker 1: but the Vikings before. I would have to check when 826 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: they are now, But they were like sixteenth or seventeen 827 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: in a d v O A team d v O 828 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,439 Speaker 1: A entering the Cowboys game. They've gotta be like twenty now. Uh. 829 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 1: And that's the only explanation why the Vikings at home 830 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,319 Speaker 1: should be just two and a half point favorites over 831 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 1: the Pats. Um tell me why I'm disrespecting New England, Greg, 832 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,319 Speaker 1: I shouldn't just be a bigger spread than it is, 833 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 1: I don't think so it doesn't surprise me. I Uh, 834 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 1: it started at three, so I think some money has 835 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: gone to the Patriots. The underlying I think that that 836 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 1: Las Vegas us. It's similar to whatever football outsiders creates, 837 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: which is like, what are the things that leads to 838 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,919 Speaker 1: winning over the long track record. It's yards for play 839 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: on offense, it's yards for play on defense, it's situational football, 840 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,240 Speaker 1: it's you know, turnover margins, stuff like that, all stuff 841 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 1: where the Vikings profile as a very average team and 842 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: the Patriots profile as a pretty average team. Maybe they're 843 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,880 Speaker 1: both a little better than average, and so it's a 844 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 1: three point game the Patriots. And I don't buy these numbers, 845 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,800 Speaker 1: I mean, because it's they don't take opponent into accounts, 846 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: but the numbers would tell you the Patriots have the 847 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,120 Speaker 1: best defense in the league by a decent amount. No, 848 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,239 Speaker 1: No one thinks that, but they've been able to beat 849 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 1: up on opponents or quarterbacks that hold the ball too long. 850 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: Can they disguise some coverages and confuse Kirk Cousins like 851 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 1: they've done some of these young quarterbacks. We'll see, But 852 00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,879 Speaker 1: the Cowboys did a good job at it last week. 853 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: Part of the reason I think Cousins lost last week 854 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 1: is because he didn't know what he was looking at 855 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 1: and he just held it and it was kind of 856 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 1: a bad Kirk Cousin. The Patriots terrorized Zack Wilson twice. 857 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,399 Speaker 1: They got Ellinger when they have the cults, and uh, 858 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,680 Speaker 1: that spiked some of their numbers. But yeah, they are 859 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: very and they made Jacoby percent have his worst game 860 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 1: of the year, but it's still Jacoby lit them up. 861 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: So I mean, I think, like you're right, Like I 862 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,359 Speaker 1: think they can watch that Cowboys tape and what look 863 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 1: at how lost Cousins seemed. Cousins is not as quietly 864 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 1: not having a great season in a lot of ways. 865 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: And I don't like the situation with Christian Derris Saul 866 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: concussed again. We talked about it. He's out of the lineup. 867 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 1: That's like an all pro level left tackle this season 868 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,799 Speaker 1: and you've got Matthew Judean and Dietrich Wise arguably like 869 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,200 Speaker 1: a top or second pass rushing due in the league. 870 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: Right now. I think the Patriots, you could say that 871 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,320 Speaker 1: the best defense in a certain wild to hear Dietrich 872 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,399 Speaker 1: Wise being involved as one of the best past rush 873 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,799 Speaker 1: or Daniel and Darius Smith on the other side would 874 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 1: be right up there too. And the Patriots have an 875 00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,320 Speaker 1: offensive line problem that I think it's gotten overlooked. They're 876 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,879 Speaker 1: expected to be without David Andrews for this game. Rap 877 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: Sheet said that he might be out uh for the 878 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,880 Speaker 1: rest of the season, but he was at practice on 879 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 1: the field on Tuesday, so that seems like he's looked 880 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,799 Speaker 1: like a guy that was coming back quickly. No, I 881 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: don't think he's coming back quickly, but the fact that 882 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,839 Speaker 1: he was out there, who knows, you shoot him up. 883 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 1: He's their best offensive lineman, he's their center, and I 884 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 1: think Max brutal game. They also signed Connor McDermott, who 885 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 1: might play over Isaiah Win at this point. Yeah, Win 886 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 1: is a little banged up. Mac Jones came out of 887 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 1: there by a little different. They I was curious what 888 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,120 Speaker 1: the Patriots would do. I thought I said, mac Jones 889 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,400 Speaker 1: is a problem to solve. What's what are the Patriots 890 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: gonna do? And their offense was a little different. They 891 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,320 Speaker 1: had played way more two tightensets. They had a couple 892 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,719 Speaker 1: of times they did this what they call a full 893 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 1: house formation where they had both John who Smith and 894 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,799 Speaker 1: Henry essentially line up as fullbacks, and they created some 895 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 1: big plays out of that, a lot more power. I mean, 896 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,320 Speaker 1: they kind of ditched a lot of their zone stuff 897 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 1: when they went play action and mac Jones was under center. 898 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,440 Speaker 1: They actually looked quite good. When they went back to 899 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,280 Speaker 1: the old stuff they were trying early in the season, 900 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,200 Speaker 1: which shotgun and trying to throw it deep. It just 901 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: wasn't working. Stop doing that, Just stop doing Yeah, it 902 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,520 Speaker 1: was a strange offensive game for New England because Jones 903 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: definitely looked better statistically. He completed about, Um, I weren't 904 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,799 Speaker 1: like the down field though they regularly the well, Zack 905 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 1: Wilson will tell you it was windy out there, all right, man, 906 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 1: it was windy. Well, that's that's wise for them. Nothing. Um. 907 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 1: But at the same time, they regularly moved the ball 908 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: into Jets territory. And then I and this is what 909 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,160 Speaker 1: I was talking about, on Sunday, like some of the 910 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: play calling was so conservative, uh. And I understand they 911 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:48,040 Speaker 1: were feeling absolutely immensely confident in their defensive ability to 912 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: continue to stick it to Zach Wilson and the Jets offense. 913 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,440 Speaker 1: But I thought that game should not have ever gotten 914 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,120 Speaker 1: to the point that it got. I think I thought 915 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 1: Mac Jones was playing with confidence and they should have 916 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,120 Speaker 1: given him more opportunities to put the Jets away in 917 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 1: that game. And I think you heard that and the 918 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 1: fans of Foxborough who were upset about some of the 919 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,960 Speaker 1: play calling um in third and fourth in short situations. 920 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,640 Speaker 1: The trust level is not there in Jones yet, but 921 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,360 Speaker 1: maybe if he stacks a couple more wins, Patrician and 922 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,920 Speaker 1: Belichick will take off the safety wheels. But I think 923 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: that's that's the vibe I get from the offense that 924 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,080 Speaker 1: they they they kind of were taken aback by Jones 925 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,360 Speaker 1: beginning of his year and he's gonna have to re 926 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,880 Speaker 1: earn the trust of that coaching staff and the play calling. 927 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: I think that's right. And I don't think they trust 928 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,399 Speaker 1: their offensive line either. Yannick cojuiced who will match up 929 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 1: with either Hunter or Smith just as a problem that's 930 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,359 Speaker 1: I think their third right tackle. They you know, at 931 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,279 Speaker 1: this point, their third stringer in the backup center. And 932 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,719 Speaker 1: that's concerning. And I am a little concerned about Justin Jefferson, 933 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 1: Thealen Hockinson versus these Patriots defensive It's been a great 934 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 1: story all year how well they've played in the secondary, 935 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,400 Speaker 1: but they also haven't really played many good players. So 936 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm just curious to see how these defensive backs that 937 00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,000 Speaker 1: have played well. We were it was swallowed the sadness 938 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,080 Speaker 1: Sunday because I think namely because teams like the Giants 939 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,640 Speaker 1: and the Vikings we're kind of put back in their 940 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,799 Speaker 1: place to some degree among other teams. If they both 941 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:14,759 Speaker 1: go and lose five days later, oh we start to 942 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,400 Speaker 1: think very differently about both of them. This is a 943 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 1: big game for for both the Vikings and the Paths. 944 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,880 Speaker 1: The Vikings thinking surprising. Really, that's because I don't think 945 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 1: anyone's expecting that if the Giants lose the Cowboys, there's 946 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,719 Speaker 1: almost no shame that the Cowboys are soaring. If the 947 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,160 Speaker 1: Vikings get crushed against New England, I mean if they 948 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,000 Speaker 1: get crushed even if they lose, or if they just 949 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,560 Speaker 1: if they like put up ten points in their offense 950 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,840 Speaker 1: goes into one of their little Oh it's gonna be 951 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,920 Speaker 1: put it this way. I'd be surprised if the Patriots, 952 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,600 Speaker 1: a little bit surprised if they win. But if the 953 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 1: Vikings have another poor game, it's kind of on brand 954 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 1: for who they are, even as much as we've talked 955 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,640 Speaker 1: about they're different this year, it will be very Vikings, 956 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,839 Speaker 1: especially with Kirk Cousins era of Vikings, for them now 957 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 1: to fall on their face in this game. And I 958 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,839 Speaker 1: think the Giants that matters not just whether they win 959 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: or lose, but how competitive they are. In absolutely, you 960 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: got your doors blown off. I would be very nervous 961 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,239 Speaker 1: as a Giants fan. If you play well and lose 962 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,880 Speaker 1: a close game or outright win, I think you're feeling 963 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,560 Speaker 1: pretty good, even if you're seven and four. We do 964 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 1: have some league breaking news. Interesting. I was gonna hold 965 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 1: this one, but well no, I mean we announced like 966 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 1: a bunch of like rams, like Hammond Eggers, like getting 967 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,719 Speaker 1: you know, having transaction item So in Carolina, smell your later, 968 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,080 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, Sam Donald starting on Sunday. Steve Wilkes just 969 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,080 Speaker 1: announced it while in service of our show, right while 970 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,520 Speaker 1: the show is going thank you, Mr Wilkes. Good job. 971 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,759 Speaker 1: M I um intelligence was gonna happen. We're gonna see 972 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,840 Speaker 1: both these guys. We'll probably see them again. Yeah, that 973 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,680 Speaker 1: Baker game was just like this. They didn't really give 974 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,919 Speaker 1: him a chance. It felt like it was very much 975 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,880 Speaker 1: like the early p J. Walker games where it was 976 00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,640 Speaker 1: like they weren't even trying. If you look at his 977 00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,760 Speaker 1: number is in his Panther's career, they're basically very similar 978 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,960 Speaker 1: with Donald did last year. I think both of these 979 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,880 Speaker 1: guys will never start again as the as the wanted starter. 980 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,799 Speaker 1: It's like a week one starting type. Yeah, I I 981 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:16,120 Speaker 1: called that the wanted starter. Yes, so Donald does get 982 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,920 Speaker 1: his first start, the fourth quarterback for the Panthers to 983 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,600 Speaker 1: start a game this year. Get ready for a lot 984 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,480 Speaker 1: of Patriots in your life. By the way, the very 985 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,799 Speaker 1: strange Patriots season. They're here at six and four. They've 986 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:31,560 Speaker 1: kind of kick kick the can down the field of like, wow, 987 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,960 Speaker 1: they've made they've made it this far. They could figure 988 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,799 Speaker 1: out their problems now. Famously, you know, Belichick's mentor said 989 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,760 Speaker 1: the season doesn't start until after Thanksgiving, and they've stacked 990 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,440 Speaker 1: some wins. But we're gonna see a lot of them. 991 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,319 Speaker 1: This is a strange team. They've got Thanksgiving, then they've 992 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 1: got Thursday Night football against the Bills, then they've got 993 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,840 Speaker 1: Monday Night Football against the Cardinals after that, and I 994 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,960 Speaker 1: think this game will get flexed out. They've got Sunday 995 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,400 Speaker 1: Night football against the Raiders. Four straight primetime games for 996 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,200 Speaker 1: the page. It's besides, I can see why they did it. 997 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,080 Speaker 1: I can see why they did it four straight for 998 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 1: the Patriots. I mean, they do weird things like that, 999 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,239 Speaker 1: and I think they're thinking, to Greg's point, that they'd 1000 00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,080 Speaker 1: be surging. They were a playoff team a year going, 1001 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,640 Speaker 1: and when you made the schedule, they lost like seventy 1002 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,880 Speaker 1: seven points in the wild Card round last year. But 1003 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,759 Speaker 1: when you made the schedule, you're thinking, we're gonna get 1004 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,719 Speaker 1: year two of Mac Jones. He's gonna grow with this 1005 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,759 Speaker 1: whole offensive and can be run by a bunch of 1006 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,520 Speaker 1: special team a defensive coaches. I mean they are they 1007 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,319 Speaker 1: are six and four. These teams to change as the 1008 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: season goes, and they have set themselves up where they 1009 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,960 Speaker 1: have a little bit of mojo. I feel like where 1010 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,040 Speaker 1: they feel good about themselves at least on one side 1011 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,200 Speaker 1: of the ball. That if you can get that most 1012 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,200 Speaker 1: on one some sort of the passing game going. Then 1013 00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,759 Speaker 1: it's like you start feeling like a Bill Belichick type 1014 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,120 Speaker 1: of team and being a little more special teams league 1015 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,880 Speaker 1: as proven by Sunday. You're asking me to buy in 1016 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,879 Speaker 1: on the stage now, but I'm just saying, they win 1017 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,759 Speaker 1: this Vikings game, you're just gonna be seeing a lot 1018 00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:02,839 Speaker 1: of them, the problems of them, regardless of how they play. Unfortunately. UM. 1019 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,560 Speaker 1: All right, thank you to everybody for listening. Yes, it's 1020 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,799 Speaker 1: a different week. As I've said, it's a different week, 1021 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,080 Speaker 1: so you're gonna get us UM again Tomorrow. Wednesday usually 1022 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,080 Speaker 1: a quiet day here, a recharge the battery day for 1023 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:17,920 Speaker 1: the A T N gang. But no throw that out 1024 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,359 Speaker 1: the window, throw it out the window, keep grinding, no 1025 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,520 Speaker 1: reverse gears in this tank. We will have the full 1026 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:30,960 Speaker 1: week twelve preview UM on Wednesday, dark Thursday, enjoying Thanksgiving 1027 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,920 Speaker 1: Friday morning, no fun show, but a recap of Thanksgiving, 1028 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,959 Speaker 1: and we have a big announcement that will go out 1029 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:43,680 Speaker 1: on here. This is exciting. I love it. It's happening. 1030 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,760 Speaker 1: People have been asking for it for a long time. 1031 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,080 Speaker 1: We will have for the first time ever in the 1032 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,919 Speaker 1: history of this program We've done live shows in Miami, Atlanta, 1033 00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:01,040 Speaker 1: we've done them in here and there in London, but 1034 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,600 Speaker 1: we've never done one in our own backyard. For the 1035 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,160 Speaker 1: first time, we will have a live show from Los Angeles, 1036 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:12,120 Speaker 1: the homecoming show. Uh justin give me the details, baby 1037 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:19,399 Speaker 1: jack pot Baby details Wednesday, January at the Bourbon Room. 1038 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,120 Speaker 1: You can go to ticketmaster dot com search around the NFL. 1039 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,120 Speaker 1: Doors open at seven, the event starts at eight. Tickets 1040 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:30,080 Speaker 1: start at thirty five dollars in Hollywood. I believe it 1041 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,560 Speaker 1: is in Hollywood, on the second floor of an address. 1042 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 1: Maybe next year we get to the top floor, but 1043 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,879 Speaker 1: this year right there, and you know we should meet 1044 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,879 Speaker 1: the old of the building. We should. We should put 1045 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,120 Speaker 1: this out, put the podcast out. We should wait a 1046 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,880 Speaker 1: little bit before putting the links out on our socials, 1047 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 1: just as like a little extra. If you've made it 1048 00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,759 Speaker 1: to this portion of a November podcast, you know you 1049 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,320 Speaker 1: get a head start here, a valuable Easter egg to 1050 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,000 Speaker 1: some degree. Very good. I love it, um. And before 1051 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,399 Speaker 1: we say goodbye, we have some breaking news. I told 1052 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,839 Speaker 1: you I have not. I've had no interest in this 1053 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,920 Speaker 1: hard not season because of the team the Cardinals, um, 1054 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,520 Speaker 1: which I don't enjoy, but this might change my mind. 1055 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,040 Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, the head coach, said that Arizona has relieved 1056 00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,000 Speaker 1: offensive line coach slash running game coordinator Sean Coogler of 1057 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:26,359 Speaker 1: his duties following an incident in Mexico City on Saturday night. 1058 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,279 Speaker 1: Kingsbury said, we relieved him of his duties and he 1059 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,240 Speaker 1: was sent home Monday morning prior to the game, adding 1060 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,080 Speaker 1: it's challenging anytime you have to make a staff change 1061 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,640 Speaker 1: in that type of manner. Man that team is all 1062 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,520 Speaker 1: fouled up. Yeah, it's a rough and tumble city. I 1063 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,600 Speaker 1: don't know what occurred, but I hope everyone's all right. 1064 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,680 Speaker 1: He He was featured heavily to Dan as offensive line 1065 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,799 Speaker 1: coaches offering are in the last episode as sort of 1066 00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:01,600 Speaker 1: typical offensive line character, hard edged, but you gave his 1067 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:06,240 Speaker 1: gave his team the business, a hard edged, emotional, amped 1068 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,040 Speaker 1: up offensive line coach on Saturday night. I mean, theory 1069 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:15,239 Speaker 1: HBO was there. There was also there was also as 1070 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:16,719 Speaker 1: I want to go down that avenue. I get that 1071 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,800 Speaker 1: there was a report or or someone said publicly actually 1072 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,319 Speaker 1: that the you know Benjamin footage for what, when and 1073 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,279 Speaker 1: why he got cut out of nowhere? Was gonna be 1074 00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,400 Speaker 1: really noteworthy, And then there was a follow up that said, 1075 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:33,000 Speaker 1: there will be nothing about you know. I mean they're 1076 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:37,520 Speaker 1: open about that. They've removed um elements, plot points like 1077 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,880 Speaker 1: an old seventies film. It suddenly it's like bang twenty 1078 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,160 Speaker 1: minutes doesn't happen on real Hard Knocks said, not this 1079 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,759 Speaker 1: this retrograde, off brand version. I see where you're coming 1080 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,000 Speaker 1: from with your stance on this on this show, can't 1081 00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,200 Speaker 1: be too hard on your stance, I won't. I love 1082 00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,839 Speaker 1: all programming, well, you can heavily connect to the other one. 1083 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,880 Speaker 1: You don't want to disenfranchise HBO love Our Knocks, Cardinals 1084 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,839 Speaker 1: not so much. Thank you everyone for watching listening. Uh 1085 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,920 Speaker 1: and we'll be back, yes in twenty four hours of 1086 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,359 Speaker 1: another program. So until then. Dan handsOn, signing off four 1087 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,720 Speaker 1: quiet stormed the old boss just engraver behind the glass. 1088 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:55,640 Speaker 1: He the call M M