1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: What's up everybody, d J, Bucky with you about how 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: you doing? Man, Man, I'm good. I'm really excited. Man. 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: It was a great super Walker weekend. All the stuff 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: that we saw, like the team's advance, and we talked 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: about it at nausea and we had a chance talked 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: about on yesterday's podcast about the quarterbacks and the importance 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: of that Logan's fantastic football weekend. Yeah, we had. We 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: had the uh interesting football we after the games were great, 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: Like looking back on it, we had some interesting moments. 11 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: The games weren't all that great. Hopefully get some more 12 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: competitive games in this next round. Well, I mean I 13 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: think so. I think what it did though, it showed 14 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: us a difference between good and great. I think that's 15 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: the thing that we were able to walk away from 16 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: this weekend, Man, that that gap between the good teams 17 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: and the great team is sizeable. And now we're down 18 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: to you know, like the final four and each side 19 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: and we get a chance to see the best teams 20 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: and it just coincide that most of the best teams 21 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: have the best quarterbacks. Yeah, and interesting how that works right, Um, 22 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: we have a fantastic show for you today. We have 23 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: a nice, long, in depth interview with Rick Spielman, was 24 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: a former general manager of the Minnesota Vikes there for 25 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: a long time. A lot of success there. Man, he's 26 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: drafting some great players. You go all the way back 27 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: to Adrian Peterson. Um, think about just the wide receiver position. 28 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: When the draft is Deefon Diggs, turnaround trade digs for 29 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson. That's uh, that's an impressiveent and of itself. 30 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: You look at what they've done with edge rushers um 31 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: Dan Neil Hunter and where they got him with the value. 32 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: You look at the linebackers, I mean, look look at 33 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: at bar and Kendricks, look at Harrison Smith, all the 34 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: Pro Bowls he's been to, um on and on and on, 35 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook another running back and throwing there with Adrian Peterson, 36 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: he's he's really draft some phenomenal players in a great 37 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: job there. Kind of surprisingly, let go, I did not 38 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: see that coming. There was a lot of talk about, UH, 39 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: coach Zimmer, you know, on the hot seat, was probably 40 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: gonna be his last year. But I think most of 41 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: the league was caught by surprise when when Rick was 42 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: let go. Yeah, I would agree. I thought, like you, 43 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: you rad it off the names of great players that 44 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: they've been able to draft, and the one thing that 45 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: we talked about, the roster has always been one of 46 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: the top rosters in terms of the talent, the depth 47 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: of talent, the personnel that they had on both sides 48 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: of the ball. And so it was a bit of 49 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: a surprise. But you know, sometimes guys reset. But I 50 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: do think we'll have an opportunity to tap into some 51 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: of the expertise and insight, and I think we all 52 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: will be better from what we're about the year from Yeah, 53 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: I think everybody's gonna really enjoy this. Rick, you know, 54 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: for a little background, began his scouting career with the 55 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: Detroit Lines in nineteen nineties, so he've been doing this 56 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,839 Speaker 1: for quite some time. He was the he was named 57 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: the Vikings vice president player personnel and two thousand six. 58 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: In two thousand twelve, he was promoted to general managers. 59 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: So think about that, from two thousand and twelve all 60 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: the way to as a general manager in dog years, 61 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: It's it's like fifty years as a general manager in 62 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: this league. The way this thing cycle churns so a 63 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: lot of expertise, a lot of experience to draw and 64 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoy our conversation with Rick Spielman. Alright, 65 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: but I'm excited to have Rick with us here. Rick, 66 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking some time for us. 67 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: I guess first question is have you had a chance 68 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: to to take a step back and decompress here over 69 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. Yeah, no, we me and 70 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 1: my wife are getting ready to head out of town 71 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: a little bit. UH been a little bit overwhelming on 72 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: the outreach that I've gotten from a lot of people, 73 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: which means a lot to me. Um, So we're gonna 74 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: kind of decompress here, go down and get out of 75 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: the cold for a little bit, and uh come back 76 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: and see what happens next. You know, Rick, you've been 77 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: in the game for such a long time, Like, look, 78 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: no one wants to take these uh force breaks. But 79 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: what do you think it would be some of the 80 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: things that you do while you are away from it 81 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: over the next few weeks and months. I don't know. 82 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: I'm just you know, I'm gonna wait and there's some 83 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: opportunities coming up. It's just I don't know right now, 84 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: you just gotta take a step back and kind of 85 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: relax a little bit. You've been going, you know, nine 86 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: ninety for so long that it's uh it takes some 87 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: time to say, well, how do I actually slow down 88 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: here a little bit? So, but it's been fun, uh, 89 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: you know, watching the game this weekend, listening to your 90 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: guys uh Moveless Things podcast, which I'm very uhbout her 91 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: to be a part of the program today and look 92 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: to give some of my insight if that will help. 93 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: And now I love it. You leave me right where 94 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: I want to go because I want to get your reaction. Uh, 95 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: what do you think after this first round of the playoffs? 96 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: What stood out to you? You know, one of the 97 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: things I was looking at, I know you guys have 98 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: talked about was the do you need in the elite 99 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: quarterback or how the elite quarterbacks uh play in the playoffs? 100 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: And I went back and I looked at some statistical things, 101 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: and you know, most of these guys are top ten, 102 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: uh from a statistical standpoint, But I think you have 103 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: to go deeper into that because stats don't always tell 104 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: the true story behind it. And when I looked at 105 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: it and dove a little deeper, Uh, stat's done me. 106 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: You know, you have to throw for five yards or 107 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: throw for five touchdowns. What I've always kind of looked 108 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: at was what do they do in critical situations during 109 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: the game. How do they respond when it's third down? 110 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: How do they keep the sticks moving? Um when it's 111 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: fourth quarter? How are they when they're behind or ahead? Uh, 112 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: it's amazing when you look at some quarterback ratings and 113 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: when they're behind, and I looked at some quarterbacks that 114 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they start to tighten up, and 115 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: then when they're ahead, they play loose and they and 116 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: they're moving the team up and down the field. So 117 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: I think when you're looking at these quarterbacks, you have 118 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: to really see how they truly respond in pressure situations 119 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: during the game. And most of these guys are good. 120 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: I think, uh, DJ and Bucky you both referred to 121 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow on the other podcast. Is you know, I 122 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: don't know if you call it arrogance or confident. I 123 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: always looked at it as like an in factor and 124 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: does he want the ball in his hands when the 125 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: game is on the line. And there is no question 126 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow definitely wants to do that. Uh. Some 127 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: other things I looked at through these playoffs, especially the 128 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: first round, is that most of these teams have a 129 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: top defense. Most of the defenses are getting the offense 130 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: off the field, and the time of possession is huge. 131 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: And every playoff team except three I think we look 132 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: at during the regular season, uh one the time of possession, 133 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: which means above thirty minutes in the game. There are 134 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: only three teams that I looked at that did not 135 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: win the time of possession, and that was first one 136 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: was Vegas who end up losing, Philly who end up 137 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: losing down in Tampa. And the one team that didn't 138 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: have time of possession or one time of possession during 139 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: the regular season was the l A. Rams. But if 140 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: you watch that game last night, they held the ball 141 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: for almost thirty four thirty five minutes and found the 142 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: run game and they were able to keep converting third downs. Uh. 143 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: The other thing that I looked at too is you know, 144 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: when you're talking about elite quarterbacks, I watched the San 145 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: franon Dallas game and I don't know if you look 146 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: at all the stats and where Jimmy Garoppolo sets up, 147 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: but how they won that game is was come down 148 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: to that time of possession, and they were able to 149 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: move the sticks, they were able to run the ball, 150 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: they were able to keep Dallas's explosive offense off that field, 151 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: and until he threw that interception, Uh, they got Dallas 152 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: back into the game. They really controlled that whole game 153 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,679 Speaker 1: with their defense and with their run game and having 154 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: Jimmy I think, you know, he only threw for a 155 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: hundred seventy seventy two yards and one interception note touchdowns, 156 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: but they did things to help them win the game 157 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: on what he does best, um and and like I 158 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: said earlier, they controlled the clock that whole game until 159 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: he got an opportunity to get back in. The other 160 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: thing when I was watching that game is in the 161 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: fourth quarter, and is was the game management piece a 162 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: little bit. And when you're watching that, the first thing 163 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: I was looking at was the play clock. And if 164 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: you notice, every time that San Francisco was on offense 165 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, they were snapping a ball at 166 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: five seconds or less on the play cock, which even 167 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: ate up more time, which didn't give Dallas, you know, 168 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: a significant amount of time at the end of the 169 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: game to potentially come back. I'm listening. I'm listening to 170 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: you there, Rick, And so me and Bucky were talking 171 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: about this before you came on. So we've made one 172 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: amendment because you were talking about reverencing an earlier podcast. 173 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: Because we've said you kind of need one of those 174 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: special quarterbacks to be able to to get through the tournament. 175 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: I've amended that to you need a special quarterback or 176 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: you need Kyle Shanahan calling your place, So that that's 177 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: the that's the one amendment there, because I think when 178 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: you look at Garoppolos, kind of the only exception to 179 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: these really kind of premier premier dudes now Tennessee with Tannehill, 180 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: that's a little bit you know, that's maybe a little 181 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: bit uh in discussion, but the rest of these guys, 182 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: I just feel like to make it all the way 183 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: through the tournament, and maybe it doesn't even necessarily have 184 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 1: to be the consistency of what you were referencing there 185 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: of all the statistics I think referenced back kind of 186 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: the Flacco super Bowl with the Ravens where everybody talked 187 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: about Joe Flacco, how good is he helped? You know, 188 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: what are his strengths and weaknesses? But he had a 189 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: high ceiling and he was able to, you know, get 190 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: to that ceiling for a three or four game playoff stretch. 191 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: I just feel like you watch that game with New 192 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: England and you see Mac Jones and you see some 193 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: of the physical limitations that he has, Jalen Hurts and 194 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: Philadelphia some of the physical limitations he has. Like maybe 195 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: you can run into a playoff win here or there, 196 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: but to run run through who you've got to go 197 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: through that gauntlet of premier quarterbacks. Man, that's tough sledding. Well. 198 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: I think Bucky referred to it towards the end of 199 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: the season when he was talking about Indianapolis and Carson 200 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: Wentz and some of these teams like a San Francisco 201 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: maybe are some of the other teams you refer to. 202 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: Is what I think you'd called it a narrow bargin 203 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: narrow margins of victory. And they have to have the 204 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: run game going, they have to have good defense, and 205 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: the quarterback has to make enough plays to keep the 206 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: clock moving, keep the chains moving, and control the game. 207 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: You know. And in thinking about that rig that, I think, 208 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to blow your head up, but I 209 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: did listen to some of the points. I love it. 210 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: I love it I like that, but in thinking about that, 211 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: because now we can acknowledge that as a quarterback driven league, 212 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: but it's so hard to find the quarterback like and 213 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: taking all your years of experience, if you were looking 214 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: for something in a college guy, what would be the 215 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: two or three traits that you look for in a 216 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: college prospect at quarterback? You know when you talk about 217 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, and I've made some mistakes through my career 218 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: on quarterbacks, and I always thought the number one thing 219 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: to look for was the intelligence part of the game. 220 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: How smart are these guys? And we do a lot 221 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: of different types of psychological testing, a lot of different 222 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 1: types of intelligence testing. But what I learned not only 223 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: do you have to be smart, but you have to 224 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: have mental quickness and how quickly can you process things? 225 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: And the one thing that we really try to get at, 226 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: which we evolved over the last couple of years, was 227 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: I can go and interview a quarterback. UH. And I 228 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: interviewed many down at the combine. Or we had a 229 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: whole program set in place. Uh, let's go out, let's 230 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: visit this quarterback. UH. The offensive coordinator is going to 231 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: have a plan, He's going to install a scheme he's 232 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: gonna install concepts of a passing game and pass protections 233 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: and a quarterback and sit there. We kind of watched 234 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: and see if they took copious notes, and a lot 235 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: of these guys went up there and talked verbatim what 236 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 1: the coordinator said and even sometimes sounded better than the 237 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: coordinator that's explaining it. I was like, this guy's gonna 238 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: be a hell of a coach somebody. The point that 239 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: I missed was that that's great. You can go up 240 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: and draw that and this safety is rolling down and 241 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: this linebacker is coming off the edge, and you know, 242 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: where's your hot reads and stuff. They can talk about it, 243 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: but that's a ten minute process and they do that 244 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: in two and a half seconds. So we really try 245 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: to hone it and focus on not only the intelligence 246 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: but also uh the mental quickness and how quickly they 247 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: can read and respond because there's a lot of smart 248 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: people out there. But if you can't process that in 249 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: a two and a half seconds that you have, that's 250 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: where That's where I saw it, and myself personally add 251 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: some failures. I'm curious on that point because we've talked 252 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: about this in years past. Kind of we're scouting was 253 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: when when Bucky and I Gotta started you proceed us 254 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: on that, but where it's headed and kind of what 255 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: what's the next wave here? And and we've been kind 256 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: of uh, really interested in some of the the VR 257 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: stuff that's out there. I mean, these kids put on 258 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: these headsets. I think my kids have one. You put 259 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: on one, and they can play video games in virtual reality. 260 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 1: But in order to gauge how somebody's processing something, how 261 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: far away from that being involved in a in a 262 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: in a combine interview, you put the goggles on somebody, 263 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: give them a look and see how fast they can 264 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: see and process and be able to use that technology 265 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: to aid the scouting process. We started that, we started 266 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: about three or four years ago, and what we actually 267 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: did was used at where the technology wasn't where it 268 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: is today. But we would actually film practice from behind 269 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: at the quarterback eye level. So and then that film 270 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: will get all woven together and you can put on 271 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: the goggles and see around your three sixty I mean 272 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: you can turn around and see everybody standing behind you. Um. 273 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: So that got a lot of players in trouble when 274 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: they weren't paying attention to you. Why is he thinking? 275 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: But did they find it helpful at all? Did they did? Yeah, 276 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: well I did. Was because the backup quarterback is probably 277 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: not getting as many reps as he needs to get 278 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: in a live practice because you're trying to get your 279 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: starter ready. So, uh, the backup quarterbacks would go in 280 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: and take all the reps that the that the starter 281 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: did during practic this, but he wouldn't do it with 282 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: the goggles on, and he would see the blitz like 283 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: we did blitz period, So he would see the blitz 284 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: period and the coach can actually see on a big 285 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,599 Speaker 1: screen where his eyes were going. So all of a 286 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: sudden we were able to say, well, why are you 287 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: looking it over here? Your hot reads to the left 288 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: instead of the right. This is where your eyes should 289 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: be focused. So we started to kind of delve into that. 290 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: And I've always been kind of someone who wanted to 291 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: think outside the box and try to get different ways 292 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: we can get maybe a competitive advantage. And especially since 293 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: the time limit with the new CBA, that you can 294 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: spend on the field with these guys through the O 295 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: t A s how much time you get with the 296 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: rookies and then you know, once you get with training 297 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: camp get ready for the season, you're trying to get 298 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: your guys ready to go. So we looked at a 299 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: lot of different ways that we can potentially develop that. 300 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: We never got it to the point but because of 301 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: COVID hitting over the last two years and the limitations 302 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: on people coming in and visiting a building. But our 303 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: intent was to have quarterbacks coming in for the draft 304 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: that when you have him in on a top thirty, 305 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: that you can spend some time with him, put those 306 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: goggles on for seven on seven period and put those 307 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: goggles on him, uh during a blitz period that you 308 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: had taped in training camp, explained to him what the 309 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: situation is, what the reeds are, and then see how 310 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: he responds and if he can do it as mentally 311 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: quick as he could when he was trying to explain 312 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: it on the board. I love it now, that's that's great. 313 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: It takes me to another thing. When I was in 314 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: uh Green Bay, I'm trying to think where you might 315 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: still might have been in Detroit. We're still back in sight, 316 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: Bucky might have been. It might have been one of 317 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: the things. I remember you down in North Carolina. When 318 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: I went down and scout scot he said, he said, 319 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: you were there for the for the Pro Day? Were 320 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: you down there for the product on every poor day? Imaginable? 321 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: Uh so I said, I said to do Okay, let 322 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: me see if I get this right. What was your 323 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: job at the Pro Day? Were you the height weight? 324 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: Were you the height weight? Guy? Was the probably the 325 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: best blessed O scout back then. So I had the 326 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: Southeast growing up in the scouting world. So usually the 327 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: combined scouts are the ones that ran the Pro Day. Now, 328 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: they didn't have NFL and network, ESPN Pro Days. It 329 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: was just and so I didn't mind throwing the football 330 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: or doing all that stuff and given demonstrations because I knew, 331 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: shut of hell it wasn't going to be on TV. 332 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even admitted yet that is that is That 333 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: is funny. But you know, on the heels of your 334 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: conversation talking about identifying the quarterbacks and then you brought 335 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: the VR, the virtual reality stuff. Do you think that 336 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: can foster maybe accelerate some of the development of the 337 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: young quarterbacks because we're coming into a league where the 338 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: younger guys need to play. Can we make up some 339 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: of the rest by using VR? And there's such a 340 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: difference in what they're doing in college. But also you're 341 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of the concept that these quarterbacks in 342 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: the skill set that they have in college. There's the 343 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: offenses that the NFL are starting to adapt to that 344 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: and you know the RPO game. UM. You know, now 345 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: defenses also have some pretty smart coaches on that side 346 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: of the ball as well. So you know, take, for example, 347 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: last night game Kyle Murray, who probably did not play 348 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: one of his best games at all. UH. And we've 349 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,719 Speaker 1: played against both of those teams during the regular season, 350 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: and Kyle Murray was able to run all over the 351 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: field on us and made some explosive plays. But he 352 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: made those plays because of his ability to go out 353 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: and improvise and make plays on his own, not sit back, 354 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: three step drop read this throw here. A lot of 355 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: these quarterbacks nowadays are using their athletic skill set and 356 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: even I don't want to get into the whole another segment, 357 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: but when you get into a lot of these quarterbacks 358 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: UH that are coming out this year, you're seeing a 359 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: whole different style of order back UH that maybe the 360 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: I don't wanna call him the statues, but the pocket 361 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: passers and so UH, they're putting a lot of stress 362 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: on the defensive now, not only because you have to 363 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: account for their arm talent, but you also have to 364 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: count for their legs and how they're going to have 365 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: to hurt. Yet. Yeah, we that's fantastic. I want to 366 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: switch over to the defensive side of the ball. Why 367 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: why we've got you here? Because I feel like every 368 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: time you go through the draft process, everybody's you know, 369 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,239 Speaker 1: used comparisons, and you're the draft room comparisons come up 370 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: with with players. And I think you've been a part 371 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: of a name that's maybe been used as a comparison 372 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: more than any other, and that's the Neil Hunter. Because 373 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: the production as a pass rusher wasn't really there in college. 374 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: The traits were off the charts, but it was okay, 375 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: you've got to kind of, you know, you've got to 376 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: forget that rule that a lot of folks have, which 377 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: is you've got to have that production order to go 378 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: from one level to the next. I know, OZI used 379 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: to always bang on that. You know, we wanted to 380 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: see the production in college before we brought in pass rushers. 381 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: But man, you hit a home run with that kid, 382 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: and it's kind of led to some of this thinking. 383 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: Jason always is another one off this last year's draft. 384 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: Odo Fa always changed his name, um, but didn't have 385 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: a lot of sack production at Penn State. He transitioned 386 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: beautifully to the Ravens. What went into that thought process 387 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: and what gave you the courage to make that pick? 388 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: And tell us about that development process? One it was 389 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: in the third round and went in the first round. 390 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: A little less risk invol there. Yeah, But I think 391 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: when you go we have always put a point of 392 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: emphasis on what can be coached and what can't be coached. 393 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: And we take some of these guys with the unique length, 394 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: with the unique athleticism, uh, with a unique speed. Can 395 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: our coaches developed the talent? Uh? But what we tried 396 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: to do to identify that you better have a love 397 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: and passion for the game. And you talk about football 398 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: character and these guys are so raw, um, but are 399 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: they willing to put in the time and energy and 400 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: effort uh to take them to the level that they 401 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: can potentially be. Yet? Even of our our draft class 402 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: last year's we went through those third, fourth, fifth, six, 403 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: seventh round type guys. We've always maybe taken a chance 404 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: on guys that has some unique physical traits that our 405 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: coaches fell in love with it. Wanted to really coach 406 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: these guys and get them to their potential, but they 407 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: have to want to be willing to do that. And 408 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: you know, just to go on an example, and I 409 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: saw you guys talking about receivers the other day in 410 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: Jamaar Chase and what makes him unique, UM, and and 411 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: the ability for a lot of these guys when you 412 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: look at the physical ability, I know you're looking at 413 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: the speed, you're looking at the side and the clips 414 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: that you showed of Jamaar Chase catching the ball and 415 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: his acceleration upfield after the catch is incredible. You know, 416 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: we were able to find Stefan Diggs in the fifth round, UH, 417 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: and the way Justin Jefferson has really came on and 418 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: I think he's going to be an outstanding player in 419 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: a future. Or they can play at their speed that 420 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: their time to app but they can really get into 421 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: and out of their cuts and they have a unique 422 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: ability to not slow down. And the guys that were 423 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: top picks in those earlier rounds UM that failed were 424 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: guys UH that didn't have that trade. And you look 425 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: at the flexibility and maybe I'm off base here, but 426 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: the flexibility of being able to bend, to adjust to 427 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: off target throws, to not lose stride when you're doing that, 428 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: to go up and make catches in in contested situations. 429 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 1: But we try to take it a step further. So 430 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: when we did all this psychological testing on these players, 431 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: we actually broke down what were the most important psychological 432 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: traits other than the physical traits on which made each 433 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: position successful. And there was a lot of different combinations. 434 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: So as example, a center is way different than the eiver, 435 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: but a receiver, for example, the top three traits he 436 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: has to want to be coached, he has to be dedicated, 437 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, what came back on all these 438 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: psychological testing, and this was dated back and back tested 439 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: for the past twenty years, is social maturity was a 440 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: huge part of the process for receivers. And so those 441 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: three things that waited the most end besides the physical 442 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: traits that we put uh you know, way to data 443 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: or weighted the data on those three traits really came 444 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: that those guys that had those three traits psychologically ended 445 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: up being pretty successful receivers in the NFL. That's fascinating. 446 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: That's fascinating to me to hear about the one wanted 447 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: to be coached. We know about the determination and dedication 448 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: and then the maturity because, um, I feel like the 449 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: game is getting increasingly younger with the guys that are 450 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: coming into the league. And so when you have a team, 451 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: because we talked about turning over the team every three 452 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: or four years, just based on the numbers, how do 453 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: you handle all the young guys? How do you get 454 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: young guys ready to play in today's environment when you 455 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: don't have as much time as you used to back 456 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: in the day. I think the thing that you're dealing 457 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: with the most, and I know most if you talk 458 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: to most gms around the league, is how entitled these 459 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: players are coming in. Um, you know, how important is 460 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: a game to them? I mean, how many of them 461 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: have an I out deals? Uh, you know, the college 462 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: game has totally changed the recruiting them going into transfer 463 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: portals and getting re recruited and and getting a lot 464 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,959 Speaker 1: of love out there, come come here if it's not 465 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: working out there. So there are a lot of different 466 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: factors that maybe back when uh Bucky came out in two, 467 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: one thing I knew Bucky was going to run through 468 00:23:54,640 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: a wall now and he loved the playing the game Uh. 469 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: But now those are the things that you have to 470 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: do with whatever type of psychological testing you do, whatever 471 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: type of interview process you have. And we've hired a 472 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: lot of companies and a lot of companies, especially from 473 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: the military, uh field, UM, that do this for a 474 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: living on how we can identify some of these issues, 475 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: and especially with the way these kids are coming up today. 476 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's fascinating to me when you look 477 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: at how you're putting the emphasis on the roster building process. 478 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: Bucky's has talked about this in the past, and UM, 479 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: I know we we kind of believed in it as 480 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: well when I was with Baltimore. Was just kind of 481 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: building up the middle when you look at those key positions, 482 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: kind of the nerve center of your football team. And we, 483 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: you know, always have made the comment I think it 484 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: makes more sense when we're talking about character, kind of 485 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: wrapping that together building up the middle. The leadership positions 486 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: are in the middle of the field. The further you 487 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: get to the sideline and feel like the more maybe 488 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: the more forgiving you're willing to be on on some 489 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: of those things we're up the middle. That's kind of 490 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: the nerve center of your team. You guys done a 491 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: great job of that. If you look at your team 492 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: and the investment you've made over decade plus of building 493 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,719 Speaker 1: that up the middle. Was that part of your building 494 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: philosophy or is that just the way it came together? No, nothing, 495 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: Hopefully it's it's part of a philosophy that you're talking. 496 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: We try to spend enough time and resources to make 497 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: sure we're not shooting it the hip as best again, 498 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: but when you were you're talking about building your roster 499 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: up the middle, just like we referred to earlier on 500 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: the quarterback, everybody from the running back, if you go 501 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: down to the quarterback, the center guard, uh, the the 502 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: interior of your defensive line, the linebacker, and the safety. 503 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: So let's take they have to be smart football players, 504 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: but that mental quickness comes into a factor because they're 505 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: playing both sides of the field. And for a running back, okay, 506 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: he can use his natural speed and athletic skills, give 507 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: me the ball and I remember, you know when we've 508 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: drafted Adrian Peterson. This guy is unique. But can they are? 509 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: You gonna have to take them out on third down 510 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: because of all the movement and adjustments that are going 511 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball. Can they identify 512 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: who they have to pick up? And pass protection? We 513 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: talked about the quarterback, the center making the protection calls 514 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: before the snap, and then how does he react after 515 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: the snap. We talked about, you know, defensive ends and 516 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: sometimes moving them to the interior. Well, if you played 517 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: at the edge all your life, and all of a 518 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: sudden you go in there what we used to call 519 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: and uh the dark hole, A lot of stuff happens 520 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: a lot faster because you have a garden center right 521 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: on top of you, where when you're lined up outside 522 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: over an offensive tackle, that's not happening as fast, and 523 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: you have time to react to what's going on. And 524 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: then you look at your middle linebacker and your safeties, 525 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: and those guys are making all the adjustments with the flashes, emotions, 526 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,959 Speaker 1: everything that's going on, and things adjust not only pre snap, 527 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: but how quickly can they adjust post snap? So everyone 528 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: down that middle of your football team, UH, not only 529 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: has to have the physical ability, but that intelligence and 530 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: that mental quickness was critical for us. The farther you 531 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: weigh him, I had I agree, the farther you move 532 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: away from the ball. There's been a lot of corners 533 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: that went to the Pro Bowl, and I'm sure are 534 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame that if you put him 535 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: in the briar patch and they had not either. But 536 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: we found that we didn't put as much emphasis on 537 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: intelligence and mental quickness on the outside. But the closer 538 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: the positions came into the ball, that's where we're really 539 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: trying to make that a point that we understood, uh, 540 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: where they were with that. You know, Rick, I want 541 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: to ask you this because when I was with the 542 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers, Uh, we went to the Super Bowl and 543 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: one of the things that we were big on, We're 544 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: big on college graduates, and we're big on guys who 545 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: were team captains. Uh. When you're thinking about putting together 546 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: your roster, does that is that every consideration that we 547 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: want maybe guys that have kind of been through the 548 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: process and graduated and guys that were leaders on their teams. Yeah, no, 549 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: because I think that speaks volumes of their maturity, that 550 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: speaks volumes of probably the experience they had. But the NFL, 551 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 1: how many guys over the last couple of years in 552 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: the first round are going to fit those qualifications? Three 553 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: and out? They're all three and out they're all three 554 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: and out. Yeah, I thank god it's not basketball one 555 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: and out. But who's those with some of these new 556 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: leaks coming in right now with their rules are going 557 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: to be But I think, you know, I've heard that 558 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: and most of those guys yet, you know they're going 559 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: to be if they've graduated and they've been team captains 560 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: and they're playing, you know they love the game even 561 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: though they're on full scholarship and they're playing in a 562 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: lot of major programs. But I think nowadays, you know, 563 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: some of those eyes are getting pushed down out of 564 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: the first round just because of the excitement of man, 565 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: look at this phenomenal junior and he's only twenty one 566 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: years old. Look at his growth potential compared to a 567 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: twenty four year old. How high is his ceiling compared 568 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: to the young guy? So I think those are the 569 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: things that you try to weigh in. And again with 570 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: all the other ancillary testing and analytics that we used, 571 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: we tried to identify a lot of that to help 572 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: us make the best decisions possible. I ask you offensive 573 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: line question from a from a building standpoint. I was 574 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: talking to GM the other day and we were kind 575 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: of discussing, you know, kind of how the Chiefs revamped 576 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: their offensive line in this last year and they were 577 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: able to do with with two draft picks with with 578 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: Humphrey and Tray Smith, and then they go out and 579 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: pay big money for Joe tuney Um, And we were discussing, 580 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: would you rather have when you're putting your roster together 581 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: now with the way the game is that that rock solid, 582 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: firm interior with those three guys you know, used to 583 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: be forever we talked about the premium being at the 584 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: tackle position, but it almost seems like Rick now there's 585 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: more emphasis placed on really trying to be rock solid 586 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: with your interior, maybe more so than we have in 587 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: years past, especially if you have an immobile quarterback, because 588 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: those guys cannot get collapsed, especially if a quarterback has 589 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: to step up to throw the ball. Uh And you see, 590 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: you know, some of these athletic quarterbacks that can make 591 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: up for that. But I think it depends on the 592 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: philosophy of your team. We relied a lot on what 593 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: our philosophy and what our system is on offense, and 594 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: I know when we changed UH and when Gary Kubiak 595 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: came in, we wanted to run some of that scheme. 596 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: It was a whole different philosophy on a type of 597 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: offensive lineman that you wanted. You're gonna be able to 598 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: really move right, So those guys got to be able 599 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: to move laterally. They almost run like tight ends. But 600 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: if you're gonna you want to run some outside zone scheme, 601 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: how do they do at the second level, how they 602 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: suspain in space, what they do out on screens. That 603 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: was all extremely important to us. So our guys we're 604 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: not as big, but they were all tremendous athletes, and 605 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: they all were very smart off the intelligence side of it. 606 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: And when you try to do things that don't fit 607 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: the scheme, that's when you kind of get in disarray. 608 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: So if you are an outside zone scheme and sometum 609 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: and stuff, and all of a sudden you want to 610 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: try to start doing gap scheme stuff and trying to 611 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: applow guys for those guys aren't built to do that. 612 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: Or you want to do one on one and pass rushes, 613 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: which you can't always avoid. But your protections are they 614 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: based off play actions and everything you do. But if 615 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna sit there and try to go toe to 616 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: toe one on one with some of these power rushers. Physically, 617 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: they just can't do that, but we did not draft 618 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: them to do that. So it's it's trying to find 619 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: a balance of of what fits the scheme you're trying 620 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: to run, but you'll also do not want to pass 621 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: up good football players too. But we had our coaches 622 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: heavily involved when we were talking about personnel. I mean, 623 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: our scouts did a phenomenal job in our our directors 624 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: and when George was there, George Peyton, and we can 625 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: tell you what the player is, but the coaches have 626 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: to come in and say, well, he's not going to 627 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: be able to do this because it doesn't fit our scheme. 628 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: So you have to rely on that because if he's 629 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: going to be what we call, you know, a red 630 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: player which is a solid starter in the league, or 631 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: a blue player and a league player in the league, 632 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: if you don't marry him up to the right scheme, 633 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: then he's probably not going to play at that level 634 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: because physically he can't do some of the things you're 635 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: asking him to do. So it's a very fine balance 636 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,959 Speaker 1: taking best players but also trying to marry it up 637 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: what the coaches want to do. From a schematic standpoint, 638 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: Rick you saying that, I think a lot of people 639 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: listening to it that would new see the challenge that 640 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: the general manager has, right, because the coach has a 641 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: lot of power based on the scheme that they want 642 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: to play. But sometimes you guys have judged on picking 643 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: players to play a scheme that I don't know, may 644 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: not last to the end of time, depending on how 645 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: long the coach stays the offensive coordinate the stays as 646 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: the general manager, how do you balance that? That's that's yeah, 647 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: that long term, Yeah, that's that's a tough part of 648 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: the job because if you're going to I think we 649 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: went through maybe six different offensive coordinators uh during the 650 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: coach zimmers, so it was constantly it's like a moving 651 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: target all the time. So right to do your best 652 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: to adapt. And the guys that we do have can't 653 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: they can you do some things from your scheme to 654 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: maybe adjust a little bit to their skill set um. 655 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: But when you have the coaching turnover that it is 656 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: uh and you're always trying to marry up the personnel 657 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: to the scheme. Are there ways that some of these 658 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: coaches and you see some of them doing some things 659 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: that hey, I have to adjust my scheme to what 660 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: the players can do. Some as well, and some coaches 661 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: are just you know, this is what we run and 662 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: this is what we have to have, and if they 663 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: don't fit this, then I don't want them. Some coaches 664 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: and just listening through a lot of coaching interviews and 665 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: things like that, I can do this with this player, 666 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: and I know we can potentially adjust our scheme to 667 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: fit what he does best. Whether that's you know, a 668 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: Dieme linebacker, you know Simmons who he watched last night 669 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: trying to figure the kid that came out of Clemson, um, 670 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: you know the kid that came out of Southern Illinois 671 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: that I think Carolina using his skill set to what 672 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: he does best. Now what I thought in the draft, 673 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: and whether I was right or wrong. If you're gonna 674 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: have and play deep safety and try to go side, 675 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: that's what his skill set is. But the way they 676 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 1: utilize him, the way he comes down, flying in the box, 677 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: the things that he can do and match up with 678 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: tight ends because of his size. Uh. I thought that 679 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: Carolina and Carolina had a great defense this year when 680 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: we played against him. Um, but they did a very 681 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: good job I thought matching up skill sets. Uh, to 682 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: what their players had. I think it's interesting. It's fasting 683 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: when you look at how it's done differently. I remember 684 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: in Baltimore when Rex was there running the defense, it 685 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: was kind of just get whatever shape size, just get 686 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 1: really tough, instinctive, aggressive, fast football players, and we'll figure 687 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: it out. He's I'll play with three safeties, I'll play 688 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: whatever we need to do. We'll get our best eleven 689 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: on the field. I go to Cleveland and it's Romeo 690 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: Cornell and it's the Patriot Way, and it's like every 691 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: every everybody on the edge got look like Willie mc ginnis. 692 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, we can't. There's no not many of those 693 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: guys around. Like you had to fit all the specs 694 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: for everything they were looking for. But it's two totally 695 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 1: different ways of building a roster. When you're interviewing coaches, 696 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: you've been through that, you've gone through that cycle. Is 697 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: a bunch of teams are doing now, Um, how much 698 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: of that do you get into in terms of the 699 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: flexibility or or the fixed uh what they're looking for. Yeah, 700 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things from uh during those coaching interviews, 701 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: and I know everybody has their different ways of trying 702 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: to identify who their next head coaches. But the one 703 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: thing is I always want to know is how familiar 704 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,919 Speaker 1: were they with with our current personnel? Um, are any 705 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: of these Let me let me stop you right there. 706 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: Has anybody ever coming on a coaching interview and not 707 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: been familiar with the roster for the team they were 708 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: interviewing for? Know then that then we're interviewing the wrong guy. 709 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: Mike Fault, good luck and Uh. But these coaches they 710 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: got you know what the rules in the hiring process 711 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: right now? I mean, how many of these guys that 712 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: weren't able to interview the first week? But now all 713 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 1: these guys that won in the in the in the 714 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,919 Speaker 1: wild card are trying to prepare for four or five 715 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: different interviews. It's impossible to know the roster inside now 716 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: you know you can give unless you you know, potentially 717 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: played with the team. Uh. I know. We always tried 718 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: to help any of our coaches that were on the 719 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: head coaching interviews. Uh. We always had them meet with 720 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: our pro personnel department to go through everything from A 721 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: to Z on how we had the players graded and 722 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,720 Speaker 1: where we saw them. Uh, that he had some time. 723 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,439 Speaker 1: You know, he's not going to have time to sit 724 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: there and evaluate every guy on that roster. But at 725 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: least he can get a feel for what's going on. UM. 726 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: But no, I can honestly say there was no head 727 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: coach or any interviewer I said, and that I wish 728 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: I can tell you as something about your roster, Rick, 729 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: but I can't. Everying and thinking about that because you 730 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 1: have hired UH. Coaches will be a couple of the 731 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: trades that you look for in a head coach. What 732 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: do you believe now that you're going through what what's 733 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: important for coach? I think it depends on your situation. UM. 734 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: You know every team is different. UM. You know, do 735 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: you do you hire? You know from an ownership standpoint, 736 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: are you hiring guys that, Okay, I want an offensive, 737 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: young minded coach or are you Uh? I think nowadays 738 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: the head coach in that quarterback relationship, and it's probably 739 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: always been, is extremely important. UM. But you have to 740 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: analyze your team and what type of coach you think 741 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: your team needs, because it may fit for another team, 742 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: but it doesn't fit for you. So one of the 743 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: things that I did through the process was I interviewed 744 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: forty six of our players, UH and asked if you 745 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: were going to hire a head coach, what were the 746 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 1: traits that you were going to look for, And during 747 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: the time that we hired coach them, one of the 748 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: things that really stuck out the most was that our 749 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: players wanted to be held accountable both on and off 750 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: the field, and Zim wasn't perfect us at the time, 751 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: but that night, that might not be the same for 752 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: any every team. UH. Every team has different personalities with 753 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 1: the players. Some teams have older VET rosters, other teams 754 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: have Okay, we're starting from scratch. We just started this. 755 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,479 Speaker 1: We're in a young UH roster mode. So I think 756 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: you really have to understand where your team is, what 757 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: your team needs, and then what coach doesn't mean he's 758 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: not going to be successful somewhere else. It's like, you know, 759 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: we're just talking about players, do they fit? Because if 760 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: they fit your scheme, they're going to be Pro Bowlers 761 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: are very good starters in this league. If they're not, 762 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: they're going to play at a lower level than that. 763 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: I think that goes the same way when you're going 764 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 1: through this coaching process. Just a couple more, You've been 765 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 1: super generous with your time, wreck we really appreciate it, 766 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: not like anything going on. This is your RESTful period, man, 767 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: This is just your wrest period. And I love talking 768 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: ball though we're digging into you here. Um. I don't 769 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: know if if you've had a chance, obviously, with all 770 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,760 Speaker 1: all the responsibilities of a general manage, how much opportunity 771 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: you've had to look at some of these guys coming 772 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 1: up in this next draft class. But is there anybody 773 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: that you maybe you've watched early on here that that 774 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: you really loved in this group? Yeah. I got an 775 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: opportunity to go out. My mental health reprieve was going 776 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 1: out on Fridays and Saturdays to college games to go out. 777 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: Usually at the end of the week was when I 778 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: started to do tape work on the college kids just 779 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 1: to see. So the thing that I think is going 780 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: to be very interesting is going to be this quarterback class. 781 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,879 Speaker 1: And I had an opportunity to see most of them 782 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: play live. A couple of them I didn't. But when whoever, 783 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: I think, uh, whoever, who's who's covering the senior boy? 784 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,839 Speaker 1: Is that you? Yeah? We got that long? Yeah, Yeah, 785 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,919 Speaker 1: That's going to be a interesting process through this whole 786 00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: draft because there is no clear cut number one right now. Uh. 787 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: And what was encouraging to see is that every one 788 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: of those guys that were eligible to play in the 789 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl are going to show up. That jockey in 790 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 1: for a position is going to be fascinating to watch 791 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: as we go through this process, and it's going to 792 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 1: start down at the Senior Bowl and it's going to 793 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: continue through the combine and then through all these private workouts. Uh, 794 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 1: and you're gonna see some guys start to go up 795 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 1: and down. Uh. Because you can evaluate the tape, you 796 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: can get the strengths and weaknesses. Uh. But when you 797 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: get an opportunity to start stacking these guys and not 798 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: one of them I think backed out of that competition, 799 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 1: it will be interested see how many throw at the 800 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: combine and things like that, like there always is. But 801 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a Joe Burrow in this 802 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: class now. Maybe there's gonna be three years from now 803 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: and you're gonna say, wow, you should have went first 804 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: overall pick Who knows that yet, But this will be 805 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: one of the more fascinating draft classes at quarterback because 806 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,919 Speaker 1: someone's going to be good and it's going to be 807 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: interesting to see how all these guys stack up against 808 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: each other as we go through this process. You know, Rick, Um, 809 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 1: I've always been curious about the general manager that goes 810 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 1: out on the road and does the college work, like 811 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: going What is it that you gain as a general 812 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: manager when you go and you see these guys a 813 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: lot because a lot of our listeners don't understand, like, 814 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: what's the difference in terms of studying the tape as 815 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 1: opposed to going to a game and having a chance 816 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: to see a guy up close in personal one? You 817 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,479 Speaker 1: can see a lot of things that you can't see 818 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,399 Speaker 1: on the tape. Uh, I've been to. I love going 819 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:43,320 Speaker 1: to the pregame. I love just seeing uh their swagger 820 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: when they came out. Uh one of the quarterbacks, I 821 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 1: won't I'll save that for another time. Um, that was incredible. 822 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: It was I was at a game and the fans, 823 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:04,399 Speaker 1: the students section was anting over rated, over rated, and 824 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: he chimed in and started doing I was like, I 825 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 1: love that kid's personality and that kid's fire. But the 826 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 1: other things you can see is, you know, and especially 827 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 1: if you're watching the quarterbacks, um, is how are they 828 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,760 Speaker 1: who they interacting with on a sideline? Are they talking? 829 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 1: Who are they talking? To did he go over and 830 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: talk to his offensive line. Matt Ryan was the best 831 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,280 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. I went and watched Marcus Russell workout. 832 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: That was an incredible workout, uh, and Matt Ryan's and 833 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,640 Speaker 1: if you just looked at the two physically throwing a football, 834 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: there wasn't a comparison. But I would never forget the 835 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: night I was at a rainy night when Boston College 836 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,959 Speaker 1: played in Virginia Tech. Matt Ryan had a good football team, 837 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,439 Speaker 1: but he made that football team better because of who 838 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 1: he was. And I've never seen a quarterback at the 839 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: college level go down after every series and talked to 840 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,440 Speaker 1: each offensive group. After he got off the headsets with 841 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: whatever coach he was talking with upstairs, after they went 842 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: through the pictures or everything that they were doing, then 843 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,320 Speaker 1: he took the time to go and talk to everyone. 844 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: And you can tell those guys really loved and wanted 845 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: to play for him. And the effort energy they gave 846 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,720 Speaker 1: on that that night. I believe they ended up beating 847 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 1: Virginia Tech. That night when Virginia Tech was rolling in 848 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: the storm and in the rain, was incredible to watch. Um. So, uh, 849 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 1: you know, I've I've seen a defensive player come out 850 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: and wouldn't even warm up with his position group. Um, 851 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: he was totally isolated by himself. Uh, and he had 852 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,880 Speaker 1: all the talent in the world to be one of 853 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,400 Speaker 1: the best of his position and end up uh fizzling 854 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,720 Speaker 1: out here at the NFL. So those type of things 855 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,319 Speaker 1: that you can't see on tape. I can see, you know, 856 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 1: all the things, the traits that we're looking for and 857 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: this and that, but to actually put your eyes on them, 858 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: to see how they interact, to see how they are 859 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 1: pre game, even after postgame. Are they you know, how 860 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,280 Speaker 1: are they acting after post game? How do they respond 861 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: if they have a poor game and the next day? Uh? 862 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: You know how how how how do they respond the 863 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,280 Speaker 1: next week? So there are a lot of different things 864 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 1: that you can see that you can't see when you're 865 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 1: actually watching the tape. No, it's outstanding. I've I've told 866 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: Bucky the story a bunch about two quarterbacks that Uh, 867 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 1: I would go down and just try and mirrorm I 868 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't wear a team gear and would go down there 869 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: and just kind of mirrorhim on the sideline, just kind 870 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 1: of because I want to just follow him around for 871 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: the whole game. And these two guys. Uh, it was bad. 872 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: Let's just put it that way. I'll tell you who 873 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,359 Speaker 1: they were later off the air. But it was bad, 874 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:50,840 Speaker 1: and it was they were both first round picks and 875 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,280 Speaker 1: they were both ginormous bus but it was The tape 876 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 1: was great. But then the exposure of being at the 877 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,840 Speaker 1: game and being able to mirror them and just follow 878 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,879 Speaker 1: them around the whole game was very valuable, as Paul 879 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: Harvey said, And then there's the rest of the story exactly. Hey, 880 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,359 Speaker 1: last one from me, Rick again, I we can't think 881 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,279 Speaker 1: you know, this has been so much fun. Um. I 882 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,799 Speaker 1: would love to know, after all this experience that you 883 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,520 Speaker 1: have now, what advice you would give to first year 884 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,239 Speaker 1: general manager Rick Spielman about, you know, how how to 885 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,720 Speaker 1: how to handle this job he's getting ready to get into. 886 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:30,719 Speaker 1: I think it's changed, and it's changed over the um 887 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,279 Speaker 1: past three or even four years on all the other 888 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,680 Speaker 1: things that you have to deal with. And the thing 889 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,880 Speaker 1: that I always would tell young people coming in is 890 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,359 Speaker 1: you don't have to have all the answers or act 891 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,719 Speaker 1: like you know everything. You're going to have to learn 892 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,239 Speaker 1: and grow in the job as well, and don't be 893 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,400 Speaker 1: afraid to make a mistake. If you do make a mistake, 894 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 1: you know you owned that mistake. Uh. You know, praise others, 895 00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 1: not yourself for when things go well. But it's it's 896 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,359 Speaker 1: patience and it's learning. And even this year is I 897 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 1: learned something every day? Uh? And handling a situation off 898 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,200 Speaker 1: the field, and handling a coach and handling something that's 899 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,320 Speaker 1: happening in the training room. You nowadays spend so much 900 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,319 Speaker 1: time dealing with other things in the building. How you 901 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 1: bridge and everything with the business side. Um, you know, 902 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: how are you monitoring what's going out now with all 903 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,359 Speaker 1: the social media? Uh? And what your team's putting out? 904 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,400 Speaker 1: Are you given uh the opponent any type of competitive advantage. 905 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,239 Speaker 1: There is a whole litany of things that you have 906 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 1: to deal with just besides personnel. And that's why you 907 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,919 Speaker 1: have to have great people. And the one thing that 908 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 1: I always tried to do is surround myself with a 909 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,399 Speaker 1: lot smarter people than I was. So analytics, I don't 910 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: care how you do your algorithm. You can stand on 911 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: your head and spit with Nickels for all I care. 912 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,600 Speaker 1: This is a result type one and it's up to 913 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: you to go about whatever way you're going to do it. 914 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 1: Go ahead to do it to get the result, but 915 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,400 Speaker 1: you have to really put together a team that you 916 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: can really really rely and trust on and let them 917 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: do their jobs. And I was very fortunate with the 918 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 1: Vikings that we had a great team, a great cap guy, 919 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,319 Speaker 1: great sports medicine, great analytics, great mental health team that 920 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:31,400 Speaker 1: we put together, a great uh scouting staff. Uh. You know, 921 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,239 Speaker 1: privilege that me and George were together for so long, 922 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,640 Speaker 1: over twenty plus years that we worked together. And when 923 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,360 Speaker 1: you can put together a team like that, it gives 924 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,759 Speaker 1: you the flexibility to manage other things and then get 925 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: out on the weekend and get your mental health break 926 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:52,040 Speaker 1: so you can Actually, this has been so much fun. Rick, 927 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,600 Speaker 1: We can't thank you enough. Hopefully we can turn around 928 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,400 Speaker 1: do this again soon. Go get yourself a little bit 929 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,240 Speaker 1: of a breath and go get yourself a little break, 930 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,759 Speaker 1: little family time, and then we gotta get you back 931 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,279 Speaker 1: on man. Yeah. No, I enjoyed the being on with 932 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 1: you guys, and and anything you need. Like I said, 933 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,399 Speaker 1: I an't got much going on in life right now, 934 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,480 Speaker 1: just trying to recharge. But any Eddie, I don't know 935 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,360 Speaker 1: what you call wisdom, but anything I can share to 936 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,560 Speaker 1: give some insight Uh, I'd be more than happy to 937 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:25,319 Speaker 1: do that. We appreciate it. Thank you so much, Thanks guys, buck. 938 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: He was great man. Uh, that was It was a 939 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,600 Speaker 1: nice long conversation that really wanted to end because there's 940 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,760 Speaker 1: so many different places we can go. But what stood 941 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,960 Speaker 1: out to you the most there from that chat, Man, 942 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,920 Speaker 1: there's so much to take away. Um. I think the 943 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,560 Speaker 1: one thing that I'll take away is his ability to 944 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,840 Speaker 1: kind of really dig into the intelligence part of the player. 945 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,920 Speaker 1: All the positions he talked about the intelligence, particularly at quarterback, 946 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 1: and I think the insight that he was able to 947 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,640 Speaker 1: share on look is one thing for the quarterback to 948 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,560 Speaker 1: be intelligent, that's another thing to be a quick processor. 949 00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 1: We speak to that when we talk about what we 950 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,040 Speaker 1: look for accuracy and decision making. But to hear him 951 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 1: give that vivid illustration on like the game happens fast, 952 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,680 Speaker 1: and what you need is someone who is smart but 953 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,319 Speaker 1: able to make smart decisions quickly under the rest, that's 954 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 1: a different That's a different qualification than just say I 955 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,920 Speaker 1: need a smart guy whose book smart who can spit 956 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: it out verbatim. I need someone who can apply it 957 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,480 Speaker 1: in real time under real situations and for loyal podcast listeners. 958 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,640 Speaker 1: They know we've been talking about using VR for several 959 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,600 Speaker 1: years now. We've been lobbying, Hey, you can get the 960 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,920 Speaker 1: combinary even though it's a fifteen minute interview, but bring 961 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,640 Speaker 1: him in the room, slap the goggles on them, and 962 00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,520 Speaker 1: let's let's see how they see the field, how they process, 963 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,480 Speaker 1: and where their eyes are. It's just it's technology out there. 964 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,719 Speaker 1: It exists and and in low and behold. He said 965 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 1: they've been using that with their own players, and you know, 966 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:51,920 Speaker 1: you know, using that when guys come in for a 967 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,600 Speaker 1: thirty visit is an opportunity as well. But I love 968 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,000 Speaker 1: that technology piece that that we've kind of been talking 969 00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,800 Speaker 1: about for a little while. The DJ was fascinating and 970 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,399 Speaker 1: it's the first time now we have clarity because we've 971 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 1: had this conversation a little bit like everyone always gives 972 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,080 Speaker 1: the number one quarterback all the reps in the week, 973 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,279 Speaker 1: but then in the game when number one quarterback goes down, 974 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,719 Speaker 1: the backup quarterback is expected to not only go in, 975 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,680 Speaker 1: but to keep to stand the high. So now when 976 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,080 Speaker 1: he ships a little light and says, oh, those guys 977 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,960 Speaker 1: come back after practice, they go through every rep on 978 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,240 Speaker 1: the VR machine. Now I'm like Okay, they are getting 979 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,880 Speaker 1: reps and every rep, real or imagine is really a 980 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,319 Speaker 1: quality rep. And so that's good to hear because I 981 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,800 Speaker 1: did want to how do you get your back is 982 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,160 Speaker 1: ready to play when you never give them opportunities in practice? 983 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 1: No doubt. A couple of other things are fascinating to 984 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,239 Speaker 1: me when you're evaluating players. What can be coached, what 985 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,840 Speaker 1: can't be coached? And we talk about traits, you know, 986 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,839 Speaker 1: I think about the tight end position, right is one 987 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,239 Speaker 1: where we've always touted, um, you know recent history, the 988 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 1: traits over the production coming out of college. Just bet 989 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,200 Speaker 1: on the traits. Well, the missing component there is when 990 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,040 Speaker 1: you have the traits and then you add that together 991 00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,040 Speaker 1: with the intelligence and the work ethic, the desire to 992 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,920 Speaker 1: be to be great, you've got somebody that's coachable. That's that. 993 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,600 Speaker 1: You know, we used the word coachable and throw that around. 994 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,600 Speaker 1: What does that mean? Well? To me, it means that 995 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,120 Speaker 1: you're smart, you're self aware, and you want it. You 996 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,480 Speaker 1: really you have the desire to put in the work 997 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,840 Speaker 1: to improve. And I think when you have those traits 998 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,040 Speaker 1: and you couple it with those things, then you end 999 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 1: up getting some good hits. Yeah, I mean being able 1000 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 1: to put together those physical tools with outstanding football character 1001 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,319 Speaker 1: gives your shot to hit on a player. And he 1002 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,040 Speaker 1: had talked about we used the example of the Neil 1003 00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,120 Speaker 1: Hunter because the Neil Hunter didn't have the production, but 1004 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,839 Speaker 1: he certainly had the athleticism to length the speed. Uh, 1005 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,920 Speaker 1: you didn't have someone who wants it. You have a 1006 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,319 Speaker 1: really good coach at the time and Andre Patterson who 1007 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,000 Speaker 1: helps him cultivated skills and get it out of him. 1008 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,200 Speaker 1: Good things happen. Yep. Another thing that I wrote down, 1009 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,920 Speaker 1: um uh, that I thought was fascinating was how you 1010 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,520 Speaker 1: kind of build your roster, you know, with with your 1011 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,040 Speaker 1: scheme and mind. And I asked him specifical about the 1012 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,040 Speaker 1: offensive line because it's a great example. Garrett Bradberry is 1013 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,800 Speaker 1: ultra athletic. His his nickname when he was coming, I 1014 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,920 Speaker 1: call him the grim reacher, right because always reached blocking. 1015 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,400 Speaker 1: He's an outside zone guy. He's he's athletically, you know, 1016 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,200 Speaker 1: his his ability to move out of Brian O'Neil is 1017 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,360 Speaker 1: another guy they drafted incredibly athletic. They built a really 1018 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,799 Speaker 1: really athletic offensive line. So when a fan is at 1019 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 1: home and they see power on Bradberry's nose and they 1020 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,719 Speaker 1: see him get walked right back to the quarterback and 1021 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,400 Speaker 1: you go, he's not firm, he's not strong, he can't anchor. 1022 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,920 Speaker 1: Why do we pick this guy? Will? You picked him 1023 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,880 Speaker 1: because that's not what you wanted him to do. You 1024 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,600 Speaker 1: wanted him to be on the moves. That means your 1025 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,160 Speaker 1: pass game has to be off play action where you 1026 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,239 Speaker 1: don't get a full or full rush. You gotta be 1027 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,960 Speaker 1: moving the pocket like that's that system. If you want 1028 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,880 Speaker 1: to just drop back in a mobile quarterback and can 1029 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,000 Speaker 1: you think that he's going to anchor in there. That's 1030 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,920 Speaker 1: not That's not who he is. That's not what you picked. 1031 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,759 Speaker 1: And it's funny because that then goes to speak to 1032 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,480 Speaker 1: the l A RAMS and the problems of RAMS currently 1033 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,920 Speaker 1: have in trying to fit in Matthew Stafford, who's a 1034 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,200 Speaker 1: traditional drop back passer. But the team has been built 1035 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,920 Speaker 1: with Jerry Goffinman where they were running a lot of 1036 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,320 Speaker 1: boots and play action and things that complemented the outside 1037 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,680 Speaker 1: zone runs own and so that is why they've had 1038 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,120 Speaker 1: some issues at time throughout the year because you're trying 1039 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,880 Speaker 1: to blend two different things. And I think it was 1040 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,479 Speaker 1: great insight man, and I think it also talks about 1041 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,919 Speaker 1: the challenge of being a general manager, because you're sitting here. 1042 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,640 Speaker 1: If you have a guy who's triggered happy at head 1043 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,160 Speaker 1: coach who likes to flip and fire his offensive and 1044 00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,160 Speaker 1: defensive coordinators every two three years, you're having to turn 1045 00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,319 Speaker 1: over the roster differently than just having a steady eddy 1046 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,440 Speaker 1: system like some of these teams have been able to do. 1047 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,640 Speaker 1: I think it was enlightened because I think it's an 1048 00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:39,160 Speaker 1: overlooked part of the team building process, you know. Interesting 1049 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,360 Speaker 1: just kind of taking all these notes and uh it 1050 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,000 Speaker 1: really enjoyed that conversation. I think he's he's excited to 1051 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,520 Speaker 1: come on again. So we'll get him on again here 1052 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,000 Speaker 1: as we go through the draft process. But I love 1053 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,600 Speaker 1: it when we get guys have sat in the chair again. 1054 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,520 Speaker 1: I think it kind of reinforces some things we've been 1055 00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,279 Speaker 1: talking about on here for a while and gives us 1056 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,480 Speaker 1: some other some other things to think about. So I 1057 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,279 Speaker 1: really appreciate Rick joining us and look forward to the 1058 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,560 Speaker 1: next Converse station. All right, we're gonna wrap this podcast 1059 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:06,960 Speaker 1: up right after this, all right, Buck, as we get 1060 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,480 Speaker 1: ready to go here, I guess you gotta hit you 1061 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,800 Speaker 1: with this one thing, you know. I can't help myself. 1062 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,680 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't. I gotta do this a couple 1063 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,040 Speaker 1: of times a year. It's a it's a hit and run. 1064 00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,759 Speaker 1: I like to just drop a little drop a little 1065 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,360 Speaker 1: bomb on on Twitter, and then I like to step 1066 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,680 Speaker 1: back and just watch the carnage take place. I can't 1067 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,960 Speaker 1: help myself, man, you can't you love. I woke up 1068 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,520 Speaker 1: to it. I just got done working out the high 1069 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,520 Speaker 1: school team. I come back, I'll pop in Twitter and 1070 00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:35,560 Speaker 1: I see a pole. Oh yeah, what a twitterful? Like, 1071 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,239 Speaker 1: Hey Eagles fan, if you're a feel lifted Eagles and 1072 00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,799 Speaker 1: you can get rid of three first round picks for 1073 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,960 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, would you vote yes or no? And I 1074 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,680 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, chum in the water. And 1075 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,640 Speaker 1: then I'm just looking at the numbers and I'm just 1076 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,920 Speaker 1: here we go. Buck. As of right now we're recording this, 1077 00:55:54,000 --> 00:56:00,480 Speaker 1: there's been forty five thousand votes. And I think it's 1078 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,400 Speaker 1: because of my time in Philadelphia. I think I have 1079 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,920 Speaker 1: more Philly followers than I do Seattle followers, So I 1080 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,960 Speaker 1: think that's kind of why it's slanted this way. But 1081 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,000 Speaker 1: it was actually three ones this year that the Eagles have, 1082 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,560 Speaker 1: which are picks fifteen, sixteen, nineteen, and the two next year, 1083 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,520 Speaker 1: which is a big price to pay. But so who 1084 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,959 Speaker 1: would say no? Percent so far said the Seahawks would 1085 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,720 Speaker 1: say no. Fourteen point five percent said it's a fair, 1086 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,480 Speaker 1: fair trade. Seventy of Eagles fans are against this, against 1087 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,720 Speaker 1: this in a big way. There. They are not happy 1088 00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,400 Speaker 1: about this. And my question that I would pose is 1089 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,279 Speaker 1: again to kind of be a little bit poked the 1090 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,480 Speaker 1: bear a little bit. Of course, look around the playoffs 1091 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,200 Speaker 1: and look at the quarterbacks out there, and do a 1092 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,560 Speaker 1: little inventory and say, even if we upgrade the heck 1093 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,520 Speaker 1: out of our roster, are we good enough at that 1094 00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,560 Speaker 1: position to navigate the gauntlet to go win a championship? 1095 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,520 Speaker 1: That's what you gotta ask. It's a real question. It's 1096 00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,680 Speaker 1: even more apparent now after watching the tournament and watching 1097 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,680 Speaker 1: how these things are playing out. Either you have one 1098 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,800 Speaker 1: or you're chasing one, and you're probably on the outside 1099 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,759 Speaker 1: looking at And so you have to have a guy, 1100 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,279 Speaker 1: not only a guy. You have to find a way 1101 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,880 Speaker 1: to acquire a marquee guy, an elite player at the position, 1102 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,239 Speaker 1: or you don't have a chance, particularly in the a 1103 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,640 Speaker 1: f C with the young guard Mahomes and Herbert and 1104 00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,360 Speaker 1: all those guys Josh Allen, all those young guys Lamar 1105 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,760 Speaker 1: Jackson that are kind of rising up. Joe, Yeah, it's 1106 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,480 Speaker 1: not going anywhere, So you better get you a young 1107 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,160 Speaker 1: one that can do it. And d I think we've 1108 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,640 Speaker 1: talked about this. I mean, I feel like I'll show 1109 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,280 Speaker 1: the confusing one, the guy that you have at quarterback. 1110 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,040 Speaker 1: Can you close your eyes and imagine the confetti falling? 1111 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,720 Speaker 1: And then the second thing is, now I take it 1112 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,960 Speaker 1: even deeper. If your guy had to engage in a 1113 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,080 Speaker 1: shootout with Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow and those 1114 00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:54,040 Speaker 1: guys Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, how confident are you that 1115 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,360 Speaker 1: your guy can hold up his own end of the deal. 1116 00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,320 Speaker 1: That's the standard, and that has to be the standing 1117 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,200 Speaker 1: even when we talk about these guys, because everyone to 1118 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,480 Speaker 1: talk about a quarterbacks get pushed up in the process 1119 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,160 Speaker 1: and this and that, be careful because you overgrade him. 1120 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,440 Speaker 1: You're saying that this guy can go out and compete 1121 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,560 Speaker 1: one on one against those guys, and if you can't 1122 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:13,880 Speaker 1: do it, you can be stuck, and you can be 1123 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,600 Speaker 1: stuck in that purgatory for about four or five years. 1124 00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,840 Speaker 1: So and this is the challenge. I think because of 1125 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,720 Speaker 1: the team that it is. Philadelph Eagles won a Super 1126 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,680 Speaker 1: Bowl lightning in a bottle with Nick Foles. That is 1127 00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,360 Speaker 1: the rarest of the rarer, Like that is something that 1128 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:34,480 Speaker 1: happens once every you know years. Yeah, that's they think 1129 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,400 Speaker 1: that's that is a tough way to go. Man, you 1130 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,760 Speaker 1: have got to be loaded everywhere else, um for that 1131 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,000 Speaker 1: to happen. Now. The pushback I got a little bit 1132 00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,680 Speaker 1: online was, oh, Russell Wilson's in decline. Um, you know, 1133 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,160 Speaker 1: you just why would we buy that package with where 1134 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:51,840 Speaker 1: he is now? And I would say, okay, well, you know, 1135 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,960 Speaker 1: before he broke his finger this year, let's go through 1136 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,479 Speaker 1: the games before he broke his finger. Four touchdowns, no picks, 1137 00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:01,480 Speaker 1: two touchdowns, no picks, yards, one touchdown, no picks, two touchdowns, 1138 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,040 Speaker 1: no picks. I'm not a mathemai. That's six seven, so 1139 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,760 Speaker 1: as nine touchdowns no picks before he like, go go 1140 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,600 Speaker 1: try and throw a football when you've had surgery on 1141 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,200 Speaker 1: a finger on your throwing hand. Go try that and 1142 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:16,919 Speaker 1: see how that works. He should have shut it down 1143 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,520 Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. If he shuts it 1144 00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,400 Speaker 1: down for the rest of the year, then we go back, 1145 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,800 Speaker 1: and okay, well, okay, let's look at the previous years. 1146 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,360 Speaker 1: Let's look at the previous three years. Let's go two 1147 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,840 Speaker 1: thousand and twenty. They went twelve and four with Russell Wilson. 1148 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,720 Speaker 1: He completed six and nine percent of his past is 1149 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,920 Speaker 1: forty touchdowns, thirteen picks. The year before that they won 1150 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,840 Speaker 1: eleven and five. He threw yards thirty one touchdown, six picks. 1151 00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,520 Speaker 1: The year before that ten and six, he threw for 1152 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,680 Speaker 1: thirty almost thirty five hundred yards. He had thirty five touchdowns, 1153 00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,600 Speaker 1: seven picks. Like that is elite. That is top five 1154 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,840 Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL. He's thirty three. Tom Brady is 1155 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,520 Speaker 1: forty four years old. I'm not saying he's gonna be Brady, 1156 00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,400 Speaker 1: but I'm saying he's got it. He's got good five 1157 00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,439 Speaker 1: years ahead of him, provided he's healthy. And the only 1158 00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,240 Speaker 1: games he's ever missing his career with the ones he 1159 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,200 Speaker 1: missed this year with the finger. Am I taking crazy pills? Here? 1160 01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Tell me I'm taking crazy pills. I don't. I don't 1161 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,400 Speaker 1: get me. You're not. You're not taking four crazy bills. 1162 01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,600 Speaker 1: You might be nibbling on like the little the little bud, 1163 01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,200 Speaker 1: just just a little bit because just because of the 1164 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:13,880 Speaker 1: way that the numbers look out in the way did 1165 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,960 Speaker 1: he look but you're right, he started three years old. 1166 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,920 Speaker 1: You have to do a contract, you to feel the eguals. 1167 01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,720 Speaker 1: What you're doing is you're playing let's make a deal. 1168 01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,880 Speaker 1: Wayne Brady is sitting up there with the mic you 1169 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,080 Speaker 1: have on your chicken outfit, and you're trying to make 1170 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,320 Speaker 1: a decision do I take the two hundred dollars or 1171 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,400 Speaker 1: do I take the envelope that could give me more? 1172 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,880 Speaker 1: And so you're in the chicken outfit, You've done your 1173 01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,040 Speaker 1: little dance. You've got to think Wayne Brady is handing 1174 01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:38,919 Speaker 1: you the money, and you're like, I mean, I don't know. 1175 01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,920 Speaker 1: There may be something else behind behind those doors or 1176 01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,320 Speaker 1: in the olveolope that I want. And that's what the 1177 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,120 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles are are doing. They're standing there with the 1178 01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,600 Speaker 1: chicken outfit and they have Jalen Hurst the money in 1179 01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:56,600 Speaker 1: hand and like like, let me give you, let me 1180 01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,640 Speaker 1: give you the picks. Fifteen sixteen, nineteen, Mac Jones, even Collins, 1181 01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,480 Speaker 1: Jamie Davis, those are who those three players were last year. 1182 01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,320 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a Hall of Fame quarterback for 1183 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,560 Speaker 1: Mac Jones, Avon Collins and Jamie Davis. I mean, that's 1184 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,960 Speaker 1: that's a no brainer. Let's go back a year before that, 1185 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,000 Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen nineteen Jerry Judy, A J. Terrell, A J. 1186 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:18,640 Speaker 1: Trell is one of the better corners in the league, 1187 01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:20,840 Speaker 1: and Damon Arnett who's out of football. So you get 1188 01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,240 Speaker 1: the middle of the road receiver and a top tier 1189 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,080 Speaker 1: corner for a quarterback. Everybody in the league would do 1190 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,720 Speaker 1: that trade. And the thing is, I think Phi Philly 1191 01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,520 Speaker 1: fancy three first round picks. Three first round like you're 1192 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,840 Speaker 1: taking all of your medicine in one draft. You're not 1193 01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,640 Speaker 1: gonna go a year without a first round pick beyond 1194 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,520 Speaker 1: this year. You've got a first round pick next year. Like, 1195 01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,360 Speaker 1: It's not like I don't have a first round pick 1196 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:41,959 Speaker 1: for the next three years. And one of those picks 1197 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,920 Speaker 1: could be a top five pick. These are fixed assets, 1198 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,720 Speaker 1: none of which is a top ten pick. Three non 1199 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,960 Speaker 1: top ten picks. The forty Niners traded three ones for 1200 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:55,040 Speaker 1: trade lance. People hate pardon ways with the picks. The 1201 01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,160 Speaker 1: hate part of where this is what I'm gonna easy 1202 01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,560 Speaker 1: to do. If the l A Rams win, I think 1203 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,160 Speaker 1: you have a better chance of the pole leaning in 1204 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,200 Speaker 1: your favor. Because all weeks they're here about a the 1205 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,680 Speaker 1: l A Rams gave up X amount of picks to 1206 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,720 Speaker 1: get Matthew Stafford. Here they are in the NFC Championship game. 1207 01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,040 Speaker 1: Provided that they're able to beat the Bucks. You need 1208 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:16,720 Speaker 1: to Rams to win to be able to conduct this 1209 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,919 Speaker 1: poll and get the result that you want. So look 1210 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:24,120 Speaker 1: at look at Russell Wilson's career accomplishments compared to Matthew 1211 01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,560 Speaker 1: Stafford's career accomplishments and where they are coming into a trade. 1212 01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,600 Speaker 1: I know Russell be a couple of years older. I 1213 01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,320 Speaker 1: think maybe two years older. Matt Stafford had a bad back, 1214 01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:37,800 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, I think I think he's 1215 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,920 Speaker 1: two thousand nine. He came out. He was twenty years 1216 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:42,960 Speaker 1: old when he came out though, and Russ. Russ had 1217 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:47,960 Speaker 1: been in college. Matthew Stafford. No, Matthew Stafford is thirty three. 1218 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:53,040 Speaker 1: They're the same age. I think Matthews played alongergo right, yeah, 1219 01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:56,040 Speaker 1: because he came out when he was twenty. Yeah, Russell, 1220 01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,520 Speaker 1: they're both the same age. You're right, That's what I'm saying. 1221 01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,760 Speaker 1: Like this is Russell Wilson, and the people say, here's 1222 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,040 Speaker 1: the other thing. Here's the other thing they say, well, 1223 01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,200 Speaker 1: equals were not close. We're not a quarterback away. I'm like, 1224 01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,680 Speaker 1: you've got one of the best offensive lines in the NFL. 1225 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,040 Speaker 1: You've got a premier tight end, you've got a more 1226 01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,560 Speaker 1: than functional running back. You've got a receiver who should 1227 01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,800 Speaker 1: be a high volume, hundred catch guy with with good 1228 01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,040 Speaker 1: quarterback playing Davante Smiths. Okay, you need to go get 1229 01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,160 Speaker 1: another receiver. The diamond doesn't find one. The second round 1230 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,120 Speaker 1: and free agency, no big deal. The Cincinnati Bengals fixed 1231 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,000 Speaker 1: their defense and one off season and free agency, they 1232 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,240 Speaker 1: had the first pick in the draft, which last I heard, 1233 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,280 Speaker 1: means you're the worst team in the league and with 1234 01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,000 Speaker 1: with an elite quarterback within two years there in the 1235 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,560 Speaker 1: second round of the playoffs because they got a quarterback. 1236 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not that far away as you think 1237 01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,360 Speaker 1: it is. It does solve a lot of issues when 1238 01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,440 Speaker 1: when you find when you find the quarterback and the 1239 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,360 Speaker 1: quarterback and play and play at a high level, yeah, 1240 01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,680 Speaker 1: quickly put you back in contention. Mm hm. And I 1241 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,200 Speaker 1: mean I don't know, I just look. You can say 1242 01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,120 Speaker 1: it's you can say it's a rich price, you can 1243 01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,520 Speaker 1: say it's an overpay but if there's one thing that 1244 01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,640 Speaker 1: you want to overpay for, it's a franchise quarterback because 1245 01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,440 Speaker 1: they're not that many of them. No, absolutely, I mean 1246 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,280 Speaker 1: that's that's the that's the one area that you willing 1247 01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,800 Speaker 1: to kind of make a move for. You will overpay 1248 01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,160 Speaker 1: for the over pay for the quarterback because of valuable 1249 01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,200 Speaker 1: when you have one, particularly if you have a marquee quarterback. 1250 01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,960 Speaker 1: So anyways, that was that was my my my Twitter bomb. 1251 01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,919 Speaker 1: I dropped on there and just walked away. It's that's 1252 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,000 Speaker 1: a hobby of mine. I love it. You love it 1253 01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:24,840 Speaker 1: like I can always tall. I'm like this guy here 1254 01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:29,360 Speaker 1: he goes been dreaming him up. Hit and run. That 1255 01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,280 Speaker 1: was Hit and Run. Um, that was a fun episode today, man. 1256 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,360 Speaker 1: I appreciate everybody hanging with us. Hope you guys have 1257 01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,600 Speaker 1: enjoyed it as much as we have. We'll catch you 1258 01:04:36,640 --> 01:05:00,920 Speaker 1: next time right here on Move the sticks two