WEBVTT - Savior w/ Henry Zebrowski

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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 3>These are our stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up, an

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<v Speaker 1>SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Kara Klink and I'm Liza Traeger.

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<v Speaker 2>We talk SVU, we talk crimes, we have celeb guests,

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<v Speaker 2>and we chat up top catch up.

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<v Speaker 3>What's up, bitch? What is a bitch?

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<v Speaker 4>Not much?

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<v Speaker 1>You're in Montreal. I'm meeting you there soon. Hi, Way,

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<v Speaker 1>pack a suit? Pack a suit. Oh God, I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna ask you. Okay, there's a pool. Okay, I'm gonna pack.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an indoor outdoor pool, but it might as well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just in case I've already been to the

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<v Speaker 2>pool one.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, Okay, I'm gonna pack a suit. But it

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<v Speaker 3>is weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when I was young here, it was like party, party, party,

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<v Speaker 2>and now I have like I'm like booked up, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I have a schedule.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like being shuffled around. I have things to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on so many shows, and I'm just like it's

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<v Speaker 2>cool to see growth in different things. And be trusted.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is like I'm used to just getting fucked

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<v Speaker 2>up all the time. Now I have to, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>be somewhere at one thirty. It's kind of silly, like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm working out of your office at a Montreal hotel. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm acting. I am embarrassing myself to the new faces.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm definitely like, oh, and you should go here, and

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<v Speaker 2>these elevators are easier, Like I'm being embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the kids in Rosie's class, her mom is

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<v Speaker 1>like from Toronto and it's like Montreal my favorite city.

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<v Speaker 3>She was like, I'll give you a list.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I'm there for like not even

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight hours, Like, I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Know if I need a list. I didn't know you

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<v Speaker 3>were that quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, baby, I'm like I get there tomorrow. I

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<v Speaker 1>get their Thursday afternoon, and I leave Saturday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not know that. Yeah, I can't believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought we would have a Saturday night.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately it'll just be a Friday night. It'll just be

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<v Speaker 1>a Friday nighttel Yes, yeah, no, no, I've just been

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<v Speaker 1>texting with her about her show and I'm excited that

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, proximity to Trixie Mattel will bring this festival to

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<v Speaker 2>and eleven, like any sort of contact with Tricksy. Yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>I fell asleep to a montage of best of Pitstop

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<v Speaker 2>Tricksy hosting, and wow, it was like an hour ten compilation.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta watch that. That sounds like something i'd be.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds like a segue to get me into Pitstop.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, fun, fun, drag Queen's fun everything. Wait, did you

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<v Speaker 3>hear the goss about drag Race?

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<v Speaker 4>No, what's the goss?

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<v Speaker 1>So the goss is apparently on this new season of

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<v Speaker 1>All Stars with All Winners, they're not showing any negative critiques,

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<v Speaker 1>but apparently the judges did give them negative critiques.

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<v Speaker 3>This show just decided to.

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<v Speaker 1>Cut them out, and I guess on like the third episode,

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle said something negative to Raja, and Raja goes, who

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<v Speaker 1>are you to judge me? Your only qualification for being

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<v Speaker 1>up there is you're the host's best friend, damn. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of like, I'm of two minds. Raja's a queen,

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<v Speaker 1>she can say whatever the fuck she wants. I completely

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<v Speaker 1>support Raja. On the other hand, that is like an

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<v Speaker 1>argument from like season three, four or five, Like at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, Michelle Visage is a drag expert, like she

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<v Speaker 1>also comes from the ballroom scene, Like I do think

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<v Speaker 1>she knows how to judge drag, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>she should come for Raja, who's been doing it like forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, how did Michelle even respond to that? And is

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<v Speaker 2>this inside scoop? Where is the scoop?

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<v Speaker 4>Can?

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<v Speaker 1>This has been written on blogs? So I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I'm spoiling anything. Like somebody sent me the

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<v Speaker 1>link to it yesterday. It was like on out dot

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<v Speaker 1>com or something.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to Trinity. Trinity spilled it.

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<v Speaker 1>Trinity spilled the goss in an interview or like a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast or some kind of live appearance.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, because the pit's like someone's one piece was saggy,

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<v Speaker 2>and they did not talk about it. And that's when

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<v Speaker 2>I realized, like, okay, so we're getting no negative so

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<v Speaker 2>there were they just cut it all out.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they decided that like the vibe was you know, positive, positive, positive,

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<v Speaker 1>but also wildly All Stars Untucked is unavailable right now.

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<v Speaker 4>You cannot find it anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh when you got parted on Amazon and I am

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<v Speaker 1>watching I'm watching it on my Amazon when you go

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<v Speaker 1>to Paramount, okay, but streaming it if you go to

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<v Speaker 1>Paramount or Amazon Paramount like any of that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's only seasons two, three, and four of Untucked.

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<v Speaker 2>I I'm watching it. Do you think I bought I

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<v Speaker 2>probably bought it then. Yeah, I'm watching the Untucked this season.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but so is my friend and she's like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not there anymore. I was seeing it on Paramount plus

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<v Speaker 1>the app that I have, and it's not there anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Whoa because I watched the Handa one.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I you could be positive and also say

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<v Speaker 1>you're the outfits saggy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, but I guess they get.

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<v Speaker 3>It all about the details.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm team Raja on this. It is like I'm glad

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<v Speaker 2>she put Michelle in her place.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I also get annoyed, like on on YouTube after any

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<v Speaker 2>video pit stop or anything from Wow, it's Michelle Visage

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<v Speaker 2>going hey, do you want to watch any gay shit

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<v Speaker 2>go on?

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<v Speaker 4>Here?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like you're not gay, Like, I don't understand

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<v Speaker 1>why you're saying this.

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<v Speaker 3>It's weird, that's geai shit.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. If you want more gay shit, click here.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it is kind of weird because it's like

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<v Speaker 1>rup Paul doesn't really give you carte blanche to like

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<v Speaker 1>say whatever you want.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Proximity to RuPaul doesn't mean you're a gay man.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know, like no, I think sometimes she does

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<v Speaker 1>annoy me and and I like that. Raja was like,

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<v Speaker 1>are you kidding me? I'm better than everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing that Raja fucked up this season was

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<v Speaker 2>her John Waters mustache or like the the Olivia Newton

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<v Speaker 2>John mustage. I mean, this is getting way too inside.

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<v Speaker 2>But other than that, Raja has slayed the competition.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Raj has been amazing and I love her

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<v Speaker 1>in testimonials. She's great and I think she could take

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<v Speaker 1>real notes.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet Michelle was being a bitch. Yeah maybe, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, I have inside scoop coming,

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<v Speaker 2>so hopefully we'll learn even.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I can tell you something off Mike that

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle did my season. I don't want to say it

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<v Speaker 1>on here because I don't even know what I'm a know.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember this, You've told me the okay, Oh I know,

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<v Speaker 1>bitch too, we all know.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, oh oh.

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<v Speaker 1>So I went to go see the Dixie Chicks and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. I went to go see the Chicks formerly

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Dixie Chicks a concert this week.

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<v Speaker 3>It was awesome. It was so good. They sound so fucking.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, and I would just like love them, but like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I just this is just like my

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<v Speaker 1>only gripe with the concert and with other concerts I've

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<v Speaker 1>been going to. I want musicians to speak out about

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<v Speaker 1>social issues. I want them to like say things, but

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<v Speaker 1>every concert I go to there's just an artistic montage

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<v Speaker 1>using all the names of dead black people, using all

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<v Speaker 1>the names of dead kids that have been shot in

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<v Speaker 1>school shootings, and the artists don't actually say anything. They

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<v Speaker 1>just show this weird MTV music style thing. There's never

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<v Speaker 1>a website, there's never like a go here and donate,

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<v Speaker 1>there's never like a call to action. It's just like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what's up, We're on your side, and it just feels

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<v Speaker 1>like sort of an empty gesture.

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<v Speaker 3>And for of all people, I was like.

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<v Speaker 1>The Chicks, like I want to hear Natalie Maine say

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<v Speaker 1>something about this, like she fucking speaks up for herself,

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<v Speaker 1>Like why is she not just saying, like, hey, the

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<v Speaker 1>gun problem in this country is psychotic, like go here

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<v Speaker 1>to donate, go here, like sign a position on the screen.

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<v Speaker 2>They could do one of those little codes and people

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<v Speaker 2>can take photos and donate immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything, and it's like, this is your platform and doing

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<v Speaker 1>these like you know, Baz Lureman style music video montages

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<v Speaker 1>like that are designed to make people cry and make

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<v Speaker 1>people be like, oh my god, what are we going?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what's going on in this country? But let's be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>You're at the Greek in Los Angeles. You've got most

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<v Speaker 1>of these people on your side already. Let's do a

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<v Speaker 1>call to action. Let's get something like you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Let's do something people can like concretely do,

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<v Speaker 1>or let's hear directly from the artists. That was my

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<v Speaker 1>only thing. I was wondering if you had any thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>because I know we've both been to a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>concerts lately. I will say Backstory Boys did not touch

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<v Speaker 1>on anything political, but like when I went to Pink,

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<v Speaker 1>she did something like that, but it was just a video.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like she said anything, and it was like

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<v Speaker 1>there was no call to action, and I just feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it's kind of it's like a I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's like lip service, but it

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<v Speaker 1>just feels like they could just be doing a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually want musicians to talk the least amount as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>They humiliate themselves constantly. Anytime they talk in between songs,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like excruciating cringe.

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<v Speaker 3>I am uncomfortable. Stop talking starts things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, okay, that part, yes, But in terms of like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're going to bring up social issues, don't you

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<v Speaker 1>think they should just like say their opinion instead of

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<v Speaker 1>having this like generic music video that goes on and

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<v Speaker 1>like using the names and like kind of exploiting the

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<v Speaker 1>names of all these victims instead and then not saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Go to every town, go to abortion funds dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you, you're talking about all these issues, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>not giving anyone anything concrete to do.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. It's just kind of annoying me.

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<v Speaker 1>But besides that ten out of ten amazing concert, The

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<v Speaker 1>Chicks rule and it was great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah I saw that Shicks years ago, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>too drunk and don't remember anything except for crying. So

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll always have my merch but that's yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they had They played like a nice mix of

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<v Speaker 1>like old stuff, and I know I really love them

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<v Speaker 1>because when they play new stuff I haven't heard, I

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<v Speaker 1>still like listening to it. And sometimes when I go

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<v Speaker 1>to bands, I'm like, eh, this is from the new

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<v Speaker 1>album or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>But like, I really loved everything they did.

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<v Speaker 1>And they did like a moment where they could place

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<v Speaker 1>one of six songs and they had one of their

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<v Speaker 1>little daughters come out and roll a big dice and

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<v Speaker 1>like play the song that it was and it was cute.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so Casey Musgraves did that, but then she what

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<v Speaker 2>someone picked. She went, I don't want to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then sing something else anyways. Well I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if that's part of the game or not, but she

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<v Speaker 2>was like, fuck that, I'm singing Dolly, and yeah, listen

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<v Speaker 2>to the person.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody seemed to want this one song, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>picked this other song, which is still a good one,

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<v Speaker 1>but she.

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<v Speaker 4>Goes, I don't know this one.

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<v Speaker 3>Marty said this was going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be a barn burner, and then it kind of was fine,

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<v Speaker 1>and so later she did an extra song because she goes.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel bad about the barn burner.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, so it was funny and can you see if

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<v Speaker 2>they like each other?

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<v Speaker 4>Still or not. It seems like they do.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what's crazy is that the other women

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<v Speaker 1>are not miked. I don't think they don't talk. So

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<v Speaker 1>Natalie's the only one that talks like she's the full

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<v Speaker 1>star of the show. Like Marty and Emily do not

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<v Speaker 1>talk really like a little bit. We sang Happy Birthday

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<v Speaker 1>to one of their daughters and she took a video

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Like, but they don't really talk. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>there'd be a little bit more banter between them, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can't really tell. But that's what I said. I

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<v Speaker 1>lean over to my friend ago, you think they still

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<v Speaker 1>like each other?

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<v Speaker 2>Like well, the documentary and like them making the album

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<v Speaker 2>with Rick Ruben and stuff, it felt like they really

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<v Speaker 2>love each other and have a connection. But then I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard from other friends, like their opinion is, of course

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<v Speaker 2>the sisters are fucking pisted it Natalie, but they are

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<v Speaker 2>still rich and successful, so it is tough.

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<v Speaker 3>But like you know, I do know some people believe.

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<v Speaker 4>That the sisters are still fucking pissed it Natalie. Interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, I was wondering the exact same thing as I

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<v Speaker 1>was sitting there. I was like, do you think they

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<v Speaker 1>were like shut your mouth because I haven't seen the

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<v Speaker 1>doc or any of that stuff. But wait, you said

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<v Speaker 1>you had something else to tell me. Oh so okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought that you would think this was interesting

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<v Speaker 1>because I was listening to this podcast. I like Malcolm

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<v Speaker 1>Gladwell's visionist history podcasts. I like it, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>doing an inn. He was doing an episode about Will

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<v Speaker 1>and Grace, one of my favorite shows of all time,

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of about how Will and Grace had to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, bust through all of this sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>bullshit to even get on the air. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a miracle that even got on the air.

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<v Speaker 1>And then of course a lot of people didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>it was like it was depicting gay people in a

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<v Speaker 1>true way, but it was like this is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the only way we can do it on national television

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<v Speaker 1>if you gotta to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do baby, it was interesting shit on Will and Grace,

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<v Speaker 2>now using the standards of what we like expect from television,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it's like a dumb take. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>like to not understand what that show did. Like, even

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<v Speaker 2>if you feel like it's cheesy or fucked up or

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<v Speaker 2>digs into stereotypes. Now, like you said, the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>it got made. Was I bet they jumped through a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of fucking.

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<v Speaker 3>Hoops, a lot of fucking hoops.

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<v Speaker 1>And prior to that, there had never been a show

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<v Speaker 1>centered on a gay man, like never, like, so it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was just like, you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So as I'm listening to it, they're talking to Max

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<v Speaker 1>Muchnik and David Cohen, who are the ones who who

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<v Speaker 1>created it, and you know, Malcolm Gladwell's giving their backstory

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<v Speaker 1>and he's talking about how David Cohen's father was. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sorry his name is escaping me, but he was this

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<v Speaker 1>famous late night television writer MERV Griffin show.

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<v Speaker 2>All the weird name. I think it's like buzz or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it might be Buzz. Yeah, thanks silly.

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<v Speaker 1>And he so he's this like he has upwards of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty over twenty Emmys, and so I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So he comes from a like Hollywood family, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think so does Max Muchnik Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, like you know, and then they go and his

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<v Speaker 3>sister also.

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<v Speaker 1>Creates television, Jeni Cohen, and I was like, no way,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I had no idea that Jeni Cohen was the

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<v Speaker 1>sister of the creator of Will and Grace and was

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<v Speaker 1>from like Hollywood Woralty, like grew up in the business,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was just interesting to me because I really

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<v Speaker 1>always thought that Jenji Cohen, like and by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>in case you're like, who the fuck is talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>Creator of Weeds, creator of Orange is the new Black,

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<v Speaker 1>creator of all this like cool, I think, female centric,

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<v Speaker 1>groundbreaking television.

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<v Speaker 3>She's very talented, she's very smart.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just couldn't believe that this is a person

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<v Speaker 1>I thought just came out of nowhere. And it just

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<v Speaker 1>made me realize that like everything is fucking nepotism, Like

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<v Speaker 1>everyone is related to someone well.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they hide it. Yeah, Like that is what is

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<v Speaker 2>the most annoying. Just be real about it, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like the what is she supposed to do? She

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<v Speaker 2>gets a job and she goes by the way, it's nepotism. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, I don't know. And they are great shows.

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<v Speaker 2>She's very good at what she does. We also we've

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<v Speaker 2>probably talked about this, but no one ever gets mad

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<v Speaker 2>about like if you go into a family business and

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<v Speaker 2>any other business, like if you're an as a plumber

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<v Speaker 2>and then you become a plumber and take care of

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<v Speaker 2>the business, no one's like lock, look at that nepotism,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so you're supposed to go into the family business.

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<v Speaker 2>So I understand if you grow up in Hollywood, you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna want to do Hollywood jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just bought. Yeah, they're so secretive about it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're so secretive.

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<v Speaker 2>They're so scared people are gonna think they don't deserve it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that attitude makes this speel you don't deserve it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just like there's all these people that I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I've just been finding that out. I can't even think

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<v Speaker 1>of like a good example right now where I.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't have any epicism.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a true immigrant, Like I don't know, I'll always

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<v Speaker 2>be like, well, my parents paid for college and that's yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have any debt, or like my parents helped

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<v Speaker 2>me get the first apartment in New York. They put

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<v Speaker 2>down my broker feet or whatever, like there are things

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<v Speaker 2>that help you that I don't understand why you can't.

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<v Speaker 4>Just be like, well, I didn't have to pay five.

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<v Speaker 2>Hundred dollars in student loan debt every month, and that

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<v Speaker 2>gave me freedom to run around New York, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, Like, just I can be grateful for

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<v Speaker 2>these little little things I'm not saying I'm a hero.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't understand why rich people can't be like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have to pay rent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I kind of started on I started on second

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like I started on second base, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make your product worse, Like I just I

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<v Speaker 2>don't get it.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're a rich nepotism kid, write us in, let

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<v Speaker 3>us know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why Kate Hudson, it's like, yes, my mom is

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<v Speaker 2>Goldie Hawn, I'm hot now I'm going to be an

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<v Speaker 2>almost famous Get the fuck away from.

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<v Speaker 4>Me that I like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell to embrace that. Yeah, Lelly Collins being.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I just auditioned and I got the show. No,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a Philon's daughter. You're not a good actress. Get

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<v Speaker 2>the fuck out of this business.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's on period. Okay, let's start the episode. We

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<v Speaker 1>have an awesome fucking episode today and an amazing guest

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<v Speaker 1>that you guys are in for a real treat.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we're doing Savior. That's season eleven, episode fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know this is the Misha Barton episode. And

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<v Speaker 2>I have to be honest, he acting ruins everything. She

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<v Speaker 2>is a terrible actress. She does have a couple teary moments,

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<v Speaker 2>but she's not a gifted actress. She did not go

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<v Speaker 2>to Juilliard and that is and I'm sure you can

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<v Speaker 2>guess she's not our guest, so I'm like truly dragging her.

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<v Speaker 2>So it starts out a scantily clad woman in a

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<v Speaker 2>red cropped bomber jacket is walking. There's cleavage, and a

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<v Speaker 2>man is rapping as she walks, and she kind of

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<v Speaker 2>giggles to herself, but she doesn't like in his lyrics.

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<v Speaker 2>He calls her a bitch, and she says, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>your bitch. He grabs her and turns her around and

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<v Speaker 2>says it's dangerous out here, and she looks startled, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, I'll protect you.

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<v Speaker 4>And he's a pimp and he.

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<v Speaker 1>Wants her as a client, and she not a client.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know an employee.

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<v Speaker 2>She responds, she has a man and she's all right,

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<v Speaker 2>and she walks off, and it's revealed she's wearing a

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<v Speaker 2>really shiny, cute like purple mini scarp and she adds

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<v Speaker 2>to a car and starts chatting with a man who

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<v Speaker 2>has a hard dick and ready to play, and she's

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<v Speaker 2>into it and he motions her into the car and

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<v Speaker 2>it's really creepy.

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<v Speaker 3>We can't see his face. He's not talking. We're scared.

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<v Speaker 2>She enters the car and then I also noticed she

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<v Speaker 2>had like gold hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>Hoops earrings, and I did love that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it cuts straight to her dead body and

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<v Speaker 2>she has bloody cuts and bruises. Benson's crouched over the

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<v Speaker 2>body and says a homeless man tripped on her.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like such a wild detail. Stabler walks in and

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<v Speaker 1>his badge.

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<v Speaker 2>Is on his chain, and I love when their badges

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<v Speaker 2>are like necklaces. And there's an imprint of a gun

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<v Speaker 2>barrel on her head, and you know, rape strangulation. Her

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<v Speaker 2>name on the idea is Abby Manion twenty two and.

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<v Speaker 4>She lives in Soho.

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<v Speaker 2>So if she lives there, what's she doing quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>hooking in a scuzzy place like this? Stabler ponders, and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of other things don't add up. She has

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<v Speaker 2>a perfect like French manicure, she has amazing teeth. Something's off.

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<v Speaker 2>They only trust you if you're a hooker, if you

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<v Speaker 2>have terrible teeth. Aha, and uh oh, there's a homemade

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<v Speaker 2>prayer card and it's just like the one they found

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<v Speaker 2>on a victim last week and it's for it says

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<v Speaker 2>arch angels Zadi kil who's a sad Ada or something,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know whatever, and it says, forgive them for

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<v Speaker 2>their sins. You are thine Angel of mercy. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they zoom onto the dead body one more time

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<v Speaker 2>before the credits. So we're back from the credits and

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<v Speaker 2>we're at the sixteenth Precinct. Stabler and Craigan are doing

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<v Speaker 2>a walk and talk to the TV screen blackboard thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and two sex workers have been murdered in the last

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks with the same mo and signature and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>Maggie Ortiz and Abby Manion. CSU says that the card

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<v Speaker 2>is the same printer in paper stock, but it's really

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<v Speaker 2>hard to trace, like where paper comes from, so they're

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<v Speaker 2>not able to do that. And then they're like anything

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<v Speaker 2>else in common with these girls, only that they were

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<v Speaker 2>murdered on the same stroll.

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<v Speaker 1>Benson comes running in to reveal that Melinda found fluids

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<v Speaker 1>and Abby, Hell, yes, we got some evidence and we

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<v Speaker 1>hope it's in the system.

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<v Speaker 2>Stabler calls him a freak. Craigan calls him a religious freak.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all on the same page. Yeah, I like the

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<v Speaker 2>word freak. Yeah. So we get another quote from this

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<v Speaker 2>arch angel bring to mankind from God the gift of

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<v Speaker 2>compassion and stable of course Bible trivia king he fills

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<v Speaker 2>in that this arch angel is the angel that stopped

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<v Speaker 2>Abraham from killing his son Isaac. Do you know about this?

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<v Speaker 2>You know about this is early in the Old Testament?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, I think Abraham's suffering from schizophrenia.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he uh burning.

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<v Speaker 1>Bush tells him to Yeah, was it to kill his baby?

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<v Speaker 3>Or is this where circumcision came from?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this like chop off your baby, dick tip or

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<v Speaker 1>was this killing your baby? I do not know, but

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<v Speaker 1>I just I do remember the baby killing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't God kill one of his own sons too, Jesus?

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<v Speaker 3>Well the main one?

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, yeah, you're right. No, I was thinking of

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<v Speaker 1>something different. I was thinking of something different. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess there's a new theory that it wasn't really Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>and like someone switched spots with Jesus or something.

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<v Speaker 3>I forgot who was telling me this. Might have been

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<v Speaker 3>at a bar. I don't know, somebody switched spots with Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been trying to get out there, guys. I've been

0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.679
<v Speaker 2>leaving the house. I've been making plans. I've been hearing

0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:18.240
<v Speaker 2>god'spiracy theories. I've been going to the dive bars. I've

0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:19.840
<v Speaker 2>been saying hello to strangers.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. I've been getting sunburnt at the beach.

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<v Speaker 2>Kragan's like, how is murdering sex workers showing mercy and

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<v Speaker 2>Benson says maybe since they're sinners, he's saving them. So

0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:34.120
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to understand this madman, and Stabler is still

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<v Speaker 2>on the wavelength of like, she's not a hooker?

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<v Speaker 4>Who is she? Who is she?

0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.359
<v Speaker 2>We gotta find out. I feel like this changes nothing

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<v Speaker 2>whether she's a sex.

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<v Speaker 4>Worker or not.

0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:45.240
<v Speaker 2>But Stabler is very committed to finding this out. They're

0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:47.679
<v Speaker 2>at her apartment on Crosby Street and they're talking to

0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:51.440
<v Speaker 2>a landlord and he looked familiar, and he is he's

0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:54.120
<v Speaker 2>been in four other episodes, all his different people, so

0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:58.040
<v Speaker 2>we stand. He says, there's a mix up. I already

0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.320
<v Speaker 2>called the sheriff, so we don't need you. Are like

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<v Speaker 2>what and he's like, oh, I'm evicting that little bitch,

0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:06.119
<v Speaker 2>and he thinks that's why they're there, and they're like, no,

0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:08.320
<v Speaker 2>she was murdered last night, and he does actually look

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<v Speaker 2>really sad, and it's like, damn it, if the police would.

0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:12.879
<v Speaker 1>Help, you would show up to help you with an eviction.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, man, I don't know how evictions work. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think the cops help you.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's their favorite thing to do. Don't you

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<v Speaker 2>remember when they were evicting a bunch of people in

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<v Speaker 2>La they.

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<v Speaker 4>Like loved it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah you're right, Yeah they're right.

0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:30.000
<v Speaker 2>They won't they cannot wait to kick the shit up

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<v Speaker 2>people out of their house and then steal.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, you're right. I stand corrected. I sit corrected

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<v Speaker 1>at my microphone.

0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:40.440
<v Speaker 2>So Benson asked the landlord, like, who else didn't like her?

0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:43.119
<v Speaker 2>And the all knowing landlord says, oh my god, so

0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:46.159
<v Speaker 2>many people. She is a scammer. Maybe she played the

0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:49.720
<v Speaker 2>wrong guy on the internet. She sells knockoffs and fake shit.

0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:53.000
<v Speaker 2>And then Benson, are you know, classy, classy shopper. She

0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:56.520
<v Speaker 2>starts gripping it, smelling it. She goes even stitching these

0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:59.200
<v Speaker 2>are these are knockoffs? These are like two thousand dollars each.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that thought.

0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:02.680
<v Speaker 1>One events and side superpowers is that she like knows

0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:04.639
<v Speaker 1>what's expensive shit and brands.

0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:06.880
<v Speaker 3>Yes, like just the side things. She always knows.

0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:09.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sure what she's do you think she's

0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:12.280
<v Speaker 2>making one hundred grand a year no or less? I

0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:15.960
<v Speaker 2>think so she's a single woman. Yeah, she's gonna diet. Yeah,

0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:19.200
<v Speaker 2>she's gonna have a pension, a nice retirement. She doesn't

0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:21.600
<v Speaker 2>take time off, she's not traveling, she's working overtime.

0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:23.600
<v Speaker 1>I've just never seen her with like a well, they

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<v Speaker 1>probably can't do it on the show. They're not having

0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:27.439
<v Speaker 1>her like have brand name and labels. But yeah, she

0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:29.120
<v Speaker 1>seems like she chops up in her republic.

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<v Speaker 4>No, but Neil Bear gave us the brand of that dress.

0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and I forgot it was like a Hugo

0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Boss dress or something. She said, Oh you said, but

0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:39.360
<v Speaker 1>he told us it was expensive. God, I can't wait

0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:41.280
<v Speaker 1>to talk to Marishka. I can't though, I can't.

0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:42.760
<v Speaker 2>I have a fantasy of how I wanted to go

0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:45.520
<v Speaker 2>and we're not there yet, and needs to be at

0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:46.240
<v Speaker 2>her house.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay on Long Island in the Hampton.

0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 3>The landlord is even more mad now he goes.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, she had all that expensive stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>still didn't par rent.

0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:01.600
<v Speaker 2>She was a fucking bitch and it's like she's dead,

0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:06.359
<v Speaker 2>she's leave her alone, surplease. Stabler asks where did she

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:09.680
<v Speaker 2>get these deals, and he says her roommate Lyn Drexel.

0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:11.600
<v Speaker 2>And they find her and she's working at a counter

0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:13.879
<v Speaker 2>at a store and they drop like the box of

0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:15.920
<v Speaker 2>goods on her desk and are like, what's up with these?

0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:18.200
<v Speaker 2>And she's like yeah, I mean they sell them here.

0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:21.480
<v Speaker 2>And they grill her and they talk about Abby and

0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 2>you can see she feels relieved, like, oh, maybe it's

0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:26.600
<v Speaker 2>off me and it's her fault and they say we

0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:28.879
<v Speaker 2>would love to talk to her, but someone killed her

0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:31.720
<v Speaker 2>last night, and her vibe immediately shifts. She's upset, like,

0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:34.359
<v Speaker 2>oh my god. And she has a good actress. I

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:36.959
<v Speaker 2>looked her up. Her name is Brita Woolf.

0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:38.000
<v Speaker 3>I know her from Unreal.

0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:42.240
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Yes, she was like the Christian, a Christian who's

0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:43.800
<v Speaker 1>a lesbian who ends up being a lesbian.

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:44.240
<v Speaker 4>Yes.

0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:46.840
<v Speaker 1>And I watched a movie on a plane recently called

0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:48.479
<v Speaker 1>Mass and she's in it.

0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:50.399
<v Speaker 3>Oh, okay, do you ever see that on the Delta?

0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:51.119
<v Speaker 4>No.

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:54.080
<v Speaker 2>It's like two sets of parents meet at a church

0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:57.080
<v Speaker 2>and you don't know what's happening, but basically one of

0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:59.200
<v Speaker 2>them is a school shooter and the other one's kid

0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:02.439
<v Speaker 2>got killed in this Wow, and so there's like a

0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:05.320
<v Speaker 2>conflict resolution lady that comes and then this Brita Wool

0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:07.800
<v Speaker 2>plays like the church helper and they sit in a

0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:10.160
<v Speaker 2>room and just try to heal.

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:11.359
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Martha Plimpton's in it, the one who lost her pinky

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:17.920
<v Speaker 2>on an early episode of SVO so Star Sudden.

0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:20.520
<v Speaker 3>And is it Anno doud? I think she might be.

0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:22.520
<v Speaker 1>She didn't lose her pinky, she was carrying around her

0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:23.399
<v Speaker 1>dead sister's pinky.

0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:28.440
<v Speaker 2>But yes, that's a funny Halloween costume, being a little

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:29.919
<v Speaker 2>pinky and is it block bag.

0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:33.120
<v Speaker 3>And having to explain that to everyone?

0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think we should do an Maybe we'll do

0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:40.399
<v Speaker 1>an SVU costume idea.

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:42.840
<v Speaker 3>We might be in New York. I hope, Okay, all right,

0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:46.679
<v Speaker 3>we're back. We're back. We're back. So what did I row?

0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:47.359
<v Speaker 4>I wrote?

0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 2>I think she'll blow up. I'm like, who's blowing up?

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:52.280
<v Speaker 2>I think she's gonna have a long, great career, is

0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:55.919
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. She starts giving them info but feeling stressed,

0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:58.160
<v Speaker 2>and Stabler lens It leans in and is like, why

0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:00.639
<v Speaker 2>are you sweating? She's like, wouldn't you be if you

0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:02.480
<v Speaker 2>just found out your best friend died? He goes, no,

0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 2>I'd be crying, not sweating.

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Then he notices her idea on the desk and there's

0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 1>coke on it, and so she's.

0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:12.760
<v Speaker 3>Like, all right, I love cocaine. Just Stabler like taste it.

0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:15.920
<v Speaker 3>He like left her id or something, and he's like, coke.

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:18.560
<v Speaker 3>I just hate cocaine so much, and I wish I

0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 3>loved it.

0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 1>I know it doesn't do it. We've talked about this.

0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:22.240
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't do anything for me.

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:25.120
<v Speaker 4>I just no. I just get a drip and I'm upset.

0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:28.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like I just was hanging out with someone that's like, oh,

0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:29.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm my best self at coke.

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Well she's sober now, but she was like she was

0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:37.880
<v Speaker 1>like a bump in the morning and I was the best. Wow. Interesting, Yeah,

0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 1>so whatever, she loves cocaine.

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:44.119
<v Speaker 2>So she starts talking because duh. So they walk outside

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:47.000
<v Speaker 2>to chat. She goes when the market was good, you know,

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 2>they were partying every day. When the market went down,

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 2>the coke habit kept getting bigger. So Abby had an

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:54.399
<v Speaker 2>idea to take a couple bags here and there and

0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:57.639
<v Speaker 2>sell them online and then they were Then they started

0:26:57.640 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 2>selling themselves and their bodies and for coke. And she says, well,

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:06.240
<v Speaker 2>once we found out the governor was spending thousands paying

0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 2>for sex, she was like, I can do that.

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.760
<v Speaker 3>And her friend said peace out bye.

0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:14.600
<v Speaker 4>So basically like the one that act.

0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Said I can sell my body and Brita Wool was like, no,

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 1>not me, no, yes, oh exactly.

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 4>That's what I thought.

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, and then she says, ah, She's like, I'm

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:26.280
<v Speaker 1>not an addict and Stabler this is quick.

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:28.480
<v Speaker 3>He goes, you just love the smell of cocaine.

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that's an old thing, isn't it. Like

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:32.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't like coke. I just like the

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.199
<v Speaker 1>smell of it for something like that. I don't know,

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:36.920
<v Speaker 1>but I loved it. That was like a fun, little

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 1>dirty dad joke.

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Benson gets a phone call and it's Melinda and they

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 2>got to hit off the DNA. Do you know a

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Michael Gallagher And she says, yes, maybe she was seeing

0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 2>a guy named Mike who liked it when she licked

0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 2>his gun.

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:51.160
<v Speaker 3>So Bam Swat teams knocking down the door.

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 2>There's two kids just playing on a puzzle and they

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 2>start screaming for their mom. And then there's a woman.

0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:58.239
<v Speaker 2>At first, I couldn't tell if it was like a

0:27:58.280 --> 0:28:00.399
<v Speaker 2>wife or a mother of the house. Are higher like

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:04.080
<v Speaker 2>I didn't understand, but it is the wife of who

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 2>they're looking for and the mother of those children.

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 4>But she gave me nanny vibes? Did she?

0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was a nanny because she's having like

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 1>an apriton like I thought she was ananny.

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she also does like an amazing like acting

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.560
<v Speaker 2>moment where it's like funny when they ask her where

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 2>he is and she just like points.

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:22.680
<v Speaker 4>Like I loved she nailed the point.

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:26.920
<v Speaker 2>And they run to get him and he's playing golf

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:29.919
<v Speaker 2>games with a big screen in his little playroom, she says,

0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:32.880
<v Speaker 2>and he's like whoa, whoa, whoa, what's going on?

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 4>He puts his arms up.

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Staylor brings him into the interrogation room and says, you

0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 2>love young hookers, don't you. So he's on the record

0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 2>because at twenty two he diddled.

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 3>They used the word diddled. I don't use that word.

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't use it, but on his record, he was

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:50.479
<v Speaker 1>twenty two and he diddled a fourteen year old, Like

0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 1>who came up with that word? I feel like pedophiles

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:57.000
<v Speaker 1>came up with the word did it's gross? He said,

0:28:57.080 --> 0:29:00.120
<v Speaker 1>She like, that's what that's what we should bleep. Is

0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 1>that one that's a kid?

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 2>He said that she looked older and he prayed for

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:09.480
<v Speaker 2>forgiveness classic and he's like, but I was just a kid,

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:10.800
<v Speaker 2>and it's like you were twenty two.

0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 4>I just I fucking hate everybody.

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Then they showed the photos of the women and he

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 2>says he doesn't know them, and it's impossible his sperm

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:19.800
<v Speaker 2>is inside them. And it's like DNA does not lie.

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 2>When will people learn cops do lie? So I guess

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 2>it's smart for him not to admit it. Sailor starts

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 2>playing games with him and pushing him, and he's like, deny, deny, deny,

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 2>and he asks where's your gun and he says, I

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:30.840
<v Speaker 2>don't have a gun. And then it cuts to the

0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:33.560
<v Speaker 2>woman of the house and she goes, he got a

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:34.560
<v Speaker 2>gun three weeks ago.

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:37.240
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:38.520
<v Speaker 4>But he would not commit.

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 2>Murder, she says, and that he found God and turned

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 2>his life around. When she met him, he was wild,

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:47.440
<v Speaker 2>but she brought him to her church, and you know,

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 2>he channeled all that energy into building a business. And

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:53.239
<v Speaker 2>Benson's like, yeah, but temptation is like pretty strong, and

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 2>it came up.

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 4>And so she's like convincing this.

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Woman to speak, and then secretly presses a button under

0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 1>the desk to record her talking. Yeah, but that's ever

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 1>happened before. Don't they just record all?

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I thought they just recorded all of it.

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:11.560
<v Speaker 2>She's secretly taping this woman Watergate style, and she starts

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 2>to confess that he wants to do things in the

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 2>bedroom that she does not want to do, and he

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 2>gave her clothes and said that like he wanted her

0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:20.720
<v Speaker 2>to be a little whore and you know, and then

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 2>she goes, he gave me underpants with a hole in them,

0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 2>and without missing a beat, Benson goes crotchless panties. Yeah

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:33.480
<v Speaker 2>we've heard, like okay, Benson, and she yells, well, that's disgusting,

0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:37.800
<v Speaker 2>and Benson's like, don't kink shame she And then she

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:41.400
<v Speaker 2>calls him disgusting, like I'm the mother of children and

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 2>he wanted me to do nasty, dirty things with my

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 2>tongue and I totally thought it was like rim job,

0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 2>but it's just a bj Like, I.

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Just well, and she says later their mouth is not

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 1>a receptacle for the seed.

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we know she's anti choice.

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they then they play this recording to the

0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 2>husband and she's anti blow job. She wants the seed

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 2>right in her puss, and so he says, so my

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 2>wife's approved. It's not a crime to want a little

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:12.720
<v Speaker 2>variety of my sex life. And Stabler's like, DNA doesn't lie.

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 2>That's the gospel truth. And he knows he's gotten.

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 1>And finally he gets up and walks to the window

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>to start spilling the beans.

0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 4>And he tried to be a good man.

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I just saw a meme today and

0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 2>it was like a man with all these beans on

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 2>the floor and it said don't trust him.

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, but you loved it. So, I mean, we

0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>have not even met me. Sha Barton, I know is

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 1>going on. Oh he tried to be a good man

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 1>and husband, but he has a need.

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 2>So he went online and that's where he met Abby

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:48.920
<v Speaker 2>and he loved it. There was no limit threesomes toys

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:51.040
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, eah, and she wanted to get murdered

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 2>in an alley and he's like, He's like, I dropped

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 2>her off there alive, and they're like, really, she asked

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 2>to be dropped off at a random alley and he's like, yes,

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 2>that's our thing, and and then they're like and you push,

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, your gun into her head and it left

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:05.800
<v Speaker 2>a bruce and he's like, she was into it.

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:06.800
<v Speaker 4>Leave us alone.

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 2>And he keeps saying that it was part of their game,

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 2>and that enrages Stabler and he's dragging the man through

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 2>the squadron while handcuffed, to go look at the board

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.320
<v Speaker 2>with all the gruesome picks, and it's like you did this,

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 2>and he looks worried and says, no, you gotta believe me.

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 4>And he says he just wanted to have some fun.

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:24.440
<v Speaker 2>And he starts fully crying, and then Craigan interrupts him

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 2>and goes another prayer card has just been dropped twenty

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 2>minutes ago, but this victim is not dead. Done done.

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 2>The man is crying so hard now. And now we

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 2>cut to a scene I like, I mean, I think

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 2>men should cry, But then I am laughing at this man.

0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 1>So standing next to a board of like violent crime

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 1>scene photos, just.

0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 3>Like like sobbing into his hands.

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 2>We cut to the scene of the new crime. A

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:50.320
<v Speaker 2>uniformed cop is like filling mariushka in. I haven't commented

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 2>on her hair. Yet it is glorious, It's perfect. I

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 2>think it's one of my favorite chiclong bob with a

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 2>swoop bang.

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, this is one episode after PC, I think, so

0:32:58.520 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 1>it's the PC era.

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 3>Do I give off a gay vibe?

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:06.000
<v Speaker 2>So the cop says, we're checking her out and it

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>cuts to me Sha Barton in a leopard print fake

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 2>for a coat. I have one of those and a

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 2>red boled lip going on, and she goes, I was

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.560
<v Speaker 2>just snapping like I'm good, and Benson's like, yeah, he

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 2>choked you out, and the other cop shows Benson a

0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 2>prayer card that was found in her purse. You hear

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:27.040
<v Speaker 2>a voice over loud over everything yelling don't tell them nothing, Sunshine,

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, can I go now? And Benson will

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 2>obviously not let her go, and she wants to know

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 2>what happened. She says nothing. She's like, what is that

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 2>your pimp? And it pans to a man dressed like

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:37.920
<v Speaker 2>a pimp, so it is a pimp. He could also

0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:41.760
<v Speaker 2>be a preacher or Cedric the entertainer. She now reveals

0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 2>she's sucking on a red blow pop and has glitternail polished.

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 2>So they're really like showing you she's young. Benson calls

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:52.680
<v Speaker 2>her Sunshine too, so that's her name, Sunshine, not just like, oh,

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:55.440
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. Benson is pleading with her,

0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 2>someone tried to kill you. Help us find this person,

0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 2>and she's angsty and does not want to, and she's.

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 4>Like, a dude, picks me up.

0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 2>And when I woke up, there were cops everywhere, and

0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 2>the pimps starts screaming while being held back by cops, like,

0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 2>cops don't give a damn about you, Sunshine, so shut

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 2>your mouth. So Benson turns around sexy as hell and

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:13.440
<v Speaker 2>it's like, you need to shut your mouth before I

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 2>put my fist through it. And the pimp is turned

0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:17.759
<v Speaker 2>on and he's like, wow, I like that, and he

0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:20.720
<v Speaker 2>calls her a feisty bitch. And then Misha Barton runs

0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:22.879
<v Speaker 2>off and gets in a Black Town car and room room,

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 2>and then Benson says like, damn nearly killed and back

0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:26.280
<v Speaker 2>on the streets.

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:26.880
<v Speaker 4>In minutes.

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 2>We're now back at the precinct and Stabler and Benson

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:34.759
<v Speaker 2>ask Ice how many sex workers are named Sunshine? And

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 2>I guess the NYPD has an exact number, and Finn

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:40.360
<v Speaker 2>says there's fourteen sunshines in the sex Workers' Union, Like

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 2>what are we talking about here?

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:43.880
<v Speaker 4>So they pin her asap.

0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 2>It's Gladys Dalton and she's got a record going way back.

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Her first arrest was aged ten. Why are we arresting

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 2>ten year olds?

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 1>I know? And it's like a cute little young picture

0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:55.480
<v Speaker 1>of actual Misha Barton at ten, Like you're.

0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:56.520
<v Speaker 3>Arresting at ten year olds?

0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 1>I know?

0:34:57.360 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 4>What the fuck? Yeah?

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:03.080
<v Speaker 2>So it's theft age fourteen and seventeen for prostitution and

0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:05.319
<v Speaker 2>she was taken at six from her mother and was

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 2>in foster care for the rest of her youth. The

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 2>address she gave on her last arrest was her aunt

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Seana Grant and then Murray Hill and they're like poor,

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 2>but murray Hill's expensive, so I don't get it. But whatever,

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:18.919
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's like artists housing and they got a lead.

0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 3>They go to give her a visit.

0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:23.880
<v Speaker 2>She's like what she do this time and is convinced

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:25.279
<v Speaker 2>they're there to arrest her, and they're like, no, we

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 2>just want to talk to her and help her, and

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 2>she goes, ah whatever. She's down the hall and Misha Barton,

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:33.239
<v Speaker 2>of course does not want to talk, and Benson's like,

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:35.239
<v Speaker 2>I just want to make sure you're okay, and she

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 2>again says she's fine, and she shares a room with

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:40.200
<v Speaker 2>her two nieces, and Benson's like, shouldn't your pimp be

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 2>taking better care of you? And it cuts to her

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 2>aunt putting away dishes while having like, what are those

0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:47.800
<v Speaker 2>called arm holding crutches?

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 3>Support sticks? What are they called?

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:52.080
<v Speaker 2>Yes, she has a crutch, yeah, but the crutches are

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 2>under the armpits. What are the ones that grasp again, No,

0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 2>it grasps onto your arm.

0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:58.839
<v Speaker 4>Oh do you know what I mean?

0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:02.360
<v Speaker 3>I think they're braces. I don't know, but the leg brace.

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so if you know what they're called, I'm calling

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:07.800
<v Speaker 2>them holding arm holding crutches support sticks.

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 3>So that's what we're talking about here.

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 2>It's like the guy from something about Mary who's like

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:15.799
<v Speaker 2>faking being and.

0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 4>Shallow.

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 1>How listen, these arms sticks are making their way through.

0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Cinema and television and we don't know what they're called.

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Forearm crutches. Casey, thank you for arm crutch or arm crutch?

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh we did it?

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, I'm shocked that no one knew though, neither

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:38.240
<v Speaker 3>of them. No, no, I was like a break a cane.

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like we were playing s categories or something.

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:45.120
<v Speaker 1>You were like, I got it.

0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So now that we know what those sticks are called,

0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 2>and I will continue to call them sticks. So Stabler,

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, she says, pimp. Oh no, no, no, no, she

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 2>works at a night club. So the aunt is either

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:58.880
<v Speaker 2>like purposely lying or is like delusional thinking that Gladys

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 2>works at a nightclub and Stabler is blowing her cover.

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 3>So we don't know what's happening. But the ant's not

0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:05.120
<v Speaker 3>a good person.

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 2>And the Ant's like, listen, she had a tough life,

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 2>and so I let her live with me at eighteen,

0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:12.160
<v Speaker 2>and Stabler's like, yeah, to help pay for shit? You're

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.840
<v Speaker 2>not a good person, and she says, yeah, she helps

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 2>me out, So what I have ms okay. And so

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.359
<v Speaker 2>then Stabler hits her hard and says, so you let

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 2>her flat? We oh, not physically hits her, just with words.

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Fuck Staylor backhands her real hard. Oh my goodness.

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:34.800
<v Speaker 1>No. He like drags her through the mud and says,

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 1>so you let her flat back for your meal ticket?

0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:40.960
<v Speaker 1>And she says, don't you judge me, and that her sister,

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Gladys's mother is dead and she promised to take care

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 1>of her and she's doing her best, and they cut

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:48.239
<v Speaker 1>back to Mischa Barton, who says that she takes care

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 1>of herself and Benson's like, yeah, and everyone else it

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 1>seems like, you know, you take care of your.

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 4>Cousin, your aunt, your pimp.

0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:56.239
<v Speaker 2>And Benson is like, I want to help and it's

0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:58.400
<v Speaker 2>true this time, and she says, oh, yeah, well I

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:00.439
<v Speaker 2>dropped out of the eighth grade, so what my god?

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:02.920
<v Speaker 2>So I do what I gotta do. And it's like, okay,

0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:04.560
<v Speaker 2>we got it. You dropped out of the eighth grade.

0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Such heavy handed writing, I can't, so I do what

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:09.840
<v Speaker 2>I gotta do. It's like she was speaking normally just

0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:11.879
<v Speaker 2>a moment ago, and all of a sudden she turned

0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 2>into like a weird little ragamuffin, and Benson is just

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:17.920
<v Speaker 2>pleading like please, like I just want to help you,

0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:21.640
<v Speaker 2>and Gladys is not buying it. And we find out

0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:26.920
<v Speaker 2>that the pimp's name is Marmalade love that what I

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 2>don't love is he did follow her home from school,

0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 2>and you know, they dated and then treats you like

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:34.439
<v Speaker 2>a queen, and so Benson is like, I know what's up,

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, like, oh, so you started dating? He treats

0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:38.840
<v Speaker 2>you like a queen and she goes, yeah, yeah, he

0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:41.360
<v Speaker 2>would take me to Macy's and buy me whatever I wanted.

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:43.520
<v Speaker 2>And she was in love. And then they started having

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:45.400
<v Speaker 2>sex aka rape. She is a child.

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:47.879
<v Speaker 1>And then he made her fuck her friends and then

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 1>she started crying and then everyone's crying. He beat her

0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:53.920
<v Speaker 1>and now this is her life as a hoe and

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:57.399
<v Speaker 1>she's his hoe. And he said, if you're gonna fuck,

0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:58.680
<v Speaker 1>might as well get paid for it.

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 4>And that's so.

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Then Benson shifts to ask like, what did this last

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 2>guy look like?

0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 4>And she doesn't know.

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 2>They all look the same after a while, and she asked,

0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:11.040
<v Speaker 2>did he say anything to you? And he did and

0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:14.239
<v Speaker 2>it was like super creepy and religious, and he goes,

0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:15.640
<v Speaker 2>are you ready to meet your father?

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 3>And she says she will never forget that voice.

0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:20.240
<v Speaker 2>And she says that another one of her sex worker

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 2>friends named Spud, and I kept thinking I misheard it,

0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:24.760
<v Speaker 2>but it is Spud.

0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay, it is fun because I think I saw it

0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:28.759
<v Speaker 1>with the captions on and what a name?

0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:31.160
<v Speaker 3>What street winded? Multiple times?

0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:34.120
<v Speaker 1>I went on IMZB and her name is Spud and

0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't get it. I think it's like because she's

0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:40.759
<v Speaker 1>really little, Like, don't you call Spud like a little guy?

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 3>Like a spud?

0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:45.560
<v Speaker 1>It's a potato, I know, but I don't know. I

0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:47.560
<v Speaker 1>think it may be because she's like maybe the youngest

0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:48.560
<v Speaker 1>in the group or something.

0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:51.240
<v Speaker 2>And it reminds me of like Pumpkin from Flavor flav

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 2>It's just like kind of Pumpkin's coming cute. Spud is

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:58.760
<v Speaker 2>a wild choice. Put is wild, but her name is Spud.

0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 2>You are hearing that. So basically, this girl Spud met

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 2>him and heard that little thing and like the father quote,

0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 2>and was like, get the I'm getting out of here.

0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:11.479
<v Speaker 3>So she ran away. What freaked around? She got away?

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:13.560
<v Speaker 2>So they go to talk to Spud at Pat's Diner

0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 2>and we're here, and so they're like, some shine needs

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:19.320
<v Speaker 2>to keep her mouth shut, right Spud?

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 3>And Spud looks fourteen, so young.

0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:23.640
<v Speaker 2>And then this older lady's with her, coaching her on

0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:25.759
<v Speaker 2>what to say, and she says, I kind of like

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:28.320
<v Speaker 2>talking to people, so it's fine, and she starts talking,

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:30.439
<v Speaker 2>but then the pimp, Marmalade, walks in and they stop

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 2>talking immediately, and Benson and Stabler walk up to Marmalade

0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:37.120
<v Speaker 2>and go, that girl is twelve, and he says, I

0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:39.879
<v Speaker 2>don't know her, and if you ask, she'll say that too,

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:41.880
<v Speaker 2>And Benson says, one of them will talk, and then

0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:44.320
<v Speaker 2>your sweet jelly is going to be all over prison

0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:46.440
<v Speaker 2>And is that jizz or blood?

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:49.200
<v Speaker 1>I think his name is Marmalade? I know, but so

0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 1>are people going to punch him in his blood? Is

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:54.280
<v Speaker 1>the jelly or is he gonna like that's a great question.

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Is this like an ejaculate joke? But if he's getting assaulted,

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you'd be coming. I don't know

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 1>what it is.

0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:02.680
<v Speaker 4>You're right, I don't know.

0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:05.399
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even think about that, Lisa, And that's why

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:08.760
<v Speaker 1>you're a good podcast partner, because you're by goes places mind.

0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:10.560
<v Speaker 3>Doesn't you didn't think what the swide elly is.

0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:12.560
<v Speaker 1>I just thought, oh, she's making a Marmalade joke, and

0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 1>I moved on like whatever. Maybe he'll just be like

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:18.840
<v Speaker 1>your ass is grass, Like, yeah, you're gonna be squolished.

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 1>But I think I would need a dog named Marmalade. Okay,

0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:24.799
<v Speaker 1>they'll be like, oh, do you love jam? I'll be like, no,

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 1>it's actually a pimp. From a sad episode of Best.

0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:28.760
<v Speaker 3>For You Season eleven.

0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:29.320
<v Speaker 4>Do you remember.

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:31.879
<v Speaker 2>Spud walks over to Stabler and says, if you ever

0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:33.400
<v Speaker 2>need a girl for a party, call me.

0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:38.040
<v Speaker 3>I love cops and I thought she said cops. Yeah,

0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:39.719
<v Speaker 3>but I get I bet the cop and so.

0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 2>But then she slides over a napkin to him and

0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Spud is on top of it. There's a drawing of

0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:47.160
<v Speaker 2>the creepy preacher man and it says him just in

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:50.600
<v Speaker 2>case they thought it was a random drawing that and that.

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:53.080
<v Speaker 2>He drives a red Buick and Finn brings up a

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:55.760
<v Speaker 2>bunch of papers and Benson brings in more papers.

0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:56.640
<v Speaker 4>They have lots of papers.

0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:58.520
<v Speaker 2>They're like, we're gonna look at these papers for months,

0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:01.120
<v Speaker 2>but don't worry. Stabler's on the phone and we're gonna

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 2>get something good. And it was Spud, and Spud said

0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 2>that the red Buick is circling around, so they enter

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 2>the red Buick in the middle of an intense struggle.

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 2>They take his ass out and arrest him, and he

0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 2>starts talking shit about the Bible.

0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:16.719
<v Speaker 1>Not you know, Bible shit. He loves the Bible. He's

0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:17.960
<v Speaker 1>not talking shit about the Bible.

0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:22.040
<v Speaker 2>And the sex worker is screaming and is very happy

0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:23.920
<v Speaker 2>to be saved, and she says she told him to

0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:26.400
<v Speaker 2>whip it out and he took out a Bible and

0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:30.280
<v Speaker 2>she's like that fucking freak. And so, yeah, he started

0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 2>talking about the meeting of the Father, so she cut

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:36.200
<v Speaker 2>his ass and he goes, see, she attacked me, and

0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 2>it's like, we don't care what piece of work. And

0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:40.920
<v Speaker 2>this guy's Lee Turguson and Margaret Show could not stop

0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:42.560
<v Speaker 2>talking about him when we interviewed her.

0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:43.319
<v Speaker 4>She loves him.

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:46.800
<v Speaker 2>They are friends, and also he's been on OZ duh

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:49.319
<v Speaker 2>of course, one of the main characters of OZ. And

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:51.359
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if, like Maloney and him had a good

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:53.719
<v Speaker 2>time and I imagine them going, I love playing with

0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:54.440
<v Speaker 2>him their.

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Lovers on the show, right, oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,

0:42:57.120 --> 0:42:58.280
<v Speaker 1>they'd be fucking yeah.

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 2>So I wonder if they were just like so excited

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:05.239
<v Speaker 2>to be Thespians again tether. So they're in interrogation and

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:07.719
<v Speaker 2>Stabler is telling him, yeah, she cuts you because you

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:10.480
<v Speaker 2>caged her in your car, and he's like, I only

0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:12.840
<v Speaker 2>did that so she sat long enough to hear the message.

0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:16.320
<v Speaker 2>And Stabler's like, yeah, you guys always have a message,

0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:16.759
<v Speaker 2>don't you.

0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:18.600
<v Speaker 3>And he says, well, it's not my message.

0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 2>It's God's and he thinks there's a better life for

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:23.720
<v Speaker 2>girls like that in heaven and Stabler calls him God's

0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:27.680
<v Speaker 2>little messenger boy, and it's like, that's fun. He says,

0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:29.799
<v Speaker 2>God put him on earth to fight Satan's grip on

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:32.560
<v Speaker 2>these girls' souls, and he says, sometimes.

0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:34.880
<v Speaker 4>Dying is better than living. Very gen z.

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Stabler says, did you just admit you killed these girls?

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:40.239
<v Speaker 2>And he says, no, I've never harmed a soul. But

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:42.760
<v Speaker 2>whoever did this to the sent these girls to heaven

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:46.040
<v Speaker 2>out of love and it's not murder. He grabs Stabler

0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:47.840
<v Speaker 2>and puts his hand on his shoulder and does a

0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:51.160
<v Speaker 2>prayer for God and like they it's weird. They put

0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:54.799
<v Speaker 2>their foreheads together and they started doing Catholic quotes back

0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:58.040
<v Speaker 2>to each other and it's will they kiss.

0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Feels like an Easter egg for the os It's yeah,

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:05.520
<v Speaker 1>and you know they talk about forgiveness and he wants

0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 1>the confession.

0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:08.520
<v Speaker 2>But the guy says, I have nothing to confess, Detective,

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:10.919
<v Speaker 2>but I'm willing to forgive and that's why I won't

0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:13.759
<v Speaker 2>press charges against that little angel who cut me. And

0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:16.320
<v Speaker 2>he says, well, that little angel won't be so forgiving,

0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 2>and we go straight to the lineup with Misha and

0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:21.319
<v Speaker 2>Marishka getting you know her in the zone, and then

0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:24.240
<v Speaker 2>Buchanan comes in, so we know he's about to fucking

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 2>fuck some shit up, and he's like, nobody will believe

0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:31.400
<v Speaker 2>this teen whore. Then he starts playing mind games with her. Oh,

0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:33.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they'll arrest you, and she's like, wait,

0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:35.440
<v Speaker 2>what why would they arrest me? And he's like, you're

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:38.160
<v Speaker 2>a prostitute and she's like, is he telling the truth?

0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:40.719
<v Speaker 2>And they go no, no, no, and he goes copsly all

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:43.160
<v Speaker 2>the time, gladys, and they get pissed and yell one

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:45.239
<v Speaker 2>and then it's like, yell one more thing and you'll

0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:48.360
<v Speaker 2>be collared for intimidation of a witness, bitch, and Misha

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:50.160
<v Speaker 2>Barton's like, I don't think I can do this, and

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Benson pressures her to do it. And the men, you know,

0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:54.799
<v Speaker 2>they meet your father, they do a quote, they do

0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:57.480
<v Speaker 2>a quote, but then Lee Turgison just stares into the

0:44:57.520 --> 0:44:59.400
<v Speaker 2>mirror and he goes closer and closer, and she's like,

0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:01.440
<v Speaker 2>I thought you couldn't see me. It's really scary, and

0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:04.440
<v Speaker 2>then he's you know, Catholic nonsense. So he's doing some

0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Bible hell talk and moving closer and closer, and so

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 2>then she yells it's him and starts to run away,

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:12.560
<v Speaker 2>as you know, as he continues to mouth off, and

0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 2>she runs and falls down the stairs in some of

0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:18.600
<v Speaker 2>the worst acting I've ever seen, and then Benson notices

0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:19.520
<v Speaker 2>that she's pregnant.

0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:20.680
<v Speaker 4>Oh, no, done done.

0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:23.760
<v Speaker 2>We're in the hospital with doctor Manning ak Emir Aarison,

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 2>who's big on Blacklist, but he's in nine episodes of

0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:27.920
<v Speaker 2>s You.

0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:29.480
<v Speaker 3>He's played two different doctors.

0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 2>And he tells the detectives that she'll be okay, and

0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 2>so will the fetus. The fetus is twenty four weeks

0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:37.080
<v Speaker 2>and healthy, and Stabler is hoping that this is what

0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:39.879
<v Speaker 2>she needs to turn her life around, and Benson needs

0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:42.120
<v Speaker 2>to talk to her, and the doctor is like, absolutely not.

0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:43.880
<v Speaker 3>She needs to rest, and they're like, we need to

0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:44.200
<v Speaker 3>talk to her.

0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:46.359
<v Speaker 2>And he goes tomorrow and he puts his foot down

0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:47.399
<v Speaker 2>and I love that, you know.

0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Ye how he could tell that the fetus is healthy.

0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:52.719
<v Speaker 1>You need to do like a full anatomy scan to.

0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:53.399
<v Speaker 4>Figure that out.

0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:57.640
<v Speaker 1>It's a long invasive appointment. You can't just do an

0:45:57.719 --> 0:46:02.839
<v Speaker 1>ultrasound um to be fully sure that it's okay. I'm

0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:04.560
<v Speaker 1>just wondering because down the road we know that it

0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:07.440
<v Speaker 1>has a lot of problems, so like, what happy you know?

0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:08.960
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, yeah, I'm just wondering.

0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:12.560
<v Speaker 2>So, without like a formal id from her though, they

0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:15.359
<v Speaker 2>got to let this guy go. And Stabler's like, ah,

0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:17.799
<v Speaker 2>Cabot will figure it out. So we got cut straight

0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 2>to arraignment and we have Judge Linda Maskin in the

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:23.759
<v Speaker 2>house today with a gorgeous up to and Cabot and

0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Buchanan go at it and skags that's Lee. Turgison is like,

0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:29.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm a servant of God, and nobody cares, and the

0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:31.200
<v Speaker 2>judge holds him in remand without bail.

0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:32.279
<v Speaker 4>She does not care.

0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:34.840
<v Speaker 2>And back to Benson and Sailer at the hospital and

0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 2>they're telling Gladys.

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:37.920
<v Speaker 3>The good news and that he'll be off the streets.

0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:40.560
<v Speaker 2>She says thanks, and she says she feels awesome and

0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:42.719
<v Speaker 2>that everyone at the hospital is so nice, and she's

0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:44.839
<v Speaker 2>going to make an appointment for her pregnancy and she's

0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:48.440
<v Speaker 2>taking vitamins and she's super excited. And Benson's like, but

0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:50.440
<v Speaker 2>you understand, you have to make big changes in your

0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:53.680
<v Speaker 2>life if you want to keep this baby. And she's like, yeah, duh,

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:55.680
<v Speaker 2>and I want to keep the baby. And Stabler's like, well,

0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:57.279
<v Speaker 2>if you change your mind, we'll help you put the

0:46:57.320 --> 0:46:59.560
<v Speaker 2>baby for adoption. And she's like, I want to keep it.

0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:02.160
<v Speaker 2>And he goes, are you sure I can do not

0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:04.480
<v Speaker 2>want her to keep this baby? And she says, I

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:05.920
<v Speaker 2>want to do life and this is my way to

0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:08.160
<v Speaker 2>get it. And Stabler are very smart. I actually like

0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:10.279
<v Speaker 2>I agree with him here. He says, no, you're giving

0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:12.640
<v Speaker 2>life to the baby and not the other way around.

0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:15.960
<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, I think this happens a lot.

0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Like people that have had tough lives, they say sometimes

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:22.719
<v Speaker 1>they think like having a baby, it's like making your

0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:25.120
<v Speaker 1>own family, Like, oh, I haven't had love, so I'm

0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:29.239
<v Speaker 1>going to create something that unconditionally loves me. And but

0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:33.120
<v Speaker 1>don't think through all the other hardships of having a child.

0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:36.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she says, I'm going to be a good and

0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:38.319
<v Speaker 2>I love that. Stabler's like, your life's gonna change, and

0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:40.080
<v Speaker 2>it's like, your life has not changed. Do you even

0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:43.000
<v Speaker 2>take care of your children? Like you work sixteen hour days?

0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Like what are you talking about.

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:46.720
<v Speaker 3>Kathy Stabler's life change?

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:49.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she says, I'm going to be a good mom,

0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I promise, and that she already loves the baby, and

0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:53.000
<v Speaker 2>uh oh.

0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:54.400
<v Speaker 3>The ants in the doorway, and she's pissed.

0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:57.200
<v Speaker 2>She's like, what baby, and she's accusing her of lying,

0:47:57.239 --> 0:47:59.400
<v Speaker 2>and she's screaming at her for hiding it and lying,

0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:01.440
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, you don't even know who the father is,

0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:04.200
<v Speaker 2>and Benson says, I think Gladice needs your support, and

0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:06.760
<v Speaker 2>she turns around evil and goes, you need to stay

0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:08.480
<v Speaker 2>out of our family business.

0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:11.560
<v Speaker 4>Who's gonna feed this baby or pay for stuff? Will you?

0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:13.359
<v Speaker 4>I didn't think so, And.

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:16.719
<v Speaker 1>Get your doot and get your do goody asses out

0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:17.080
<v Speaker 1>of here?

0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:18.960
<v Speaker 3>Did she say do goody asses?

0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:19.399
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:22.080
<v Speaker 1>An you think I wrote that? You thought you thought

0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:25.560
<v Speaker 1>that was an original Liza statement? Do goody asses? Did

0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:26.520
<v Speaker 1>she say do gooder?

0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:28.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't know who knows.

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:31.000
<v Speaker 2>They slowly turn around and leave, and they're back at

0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 2>the priestinct having some coffee and they're like, damn, what

0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:35.279
<v Speaker 2>are the odds this baby will have a normal life?

0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:38.360
<v Speaker 2>And he says define normal and he thinks the baby's

0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:40.439
<v Speaker 2>only chance at a good life is if she puts

0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:42.800
<v Speaker 2>it up for adoption. But it's like, this is a mess.

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:44.839
<v Speaker 2>But at least we got his ass locked up. Then

0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Cabot walks in right on time to say not so fast.

0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Upon further review, the judge dismissed the lineup. She's calling

0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:54.320
<v Speaker 2>for a weight hearing so Gladys can make an official

0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:56.480
<v Speaker 2>ID and she has to do it and if she

0:48:56.560 --> 0:48:58.960
<v Speaker 2>fucks it up, then he goes free and kills more women.

0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:01.120
<v Speaker 2>So Cabot said, that's why I needs you to go

0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:03.239
<v Speaker 2>become her best friend. And they go and the aunt

0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:05.560
<v Speaker 2>opens the door and Gladys is not there and she

0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:08.320
<v Speaker 2>has no idea when she'll be back, and Benson's holding

0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:10.319
<v Speaker 2>like a baby gift in a festive gift bag, and

0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:12.440
<v Speaker 2>the aunt tries to close the door and Benson pushes

0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:15.239
<v Speaker 2>it open says did you kick a pregnant girl out

0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:17.800
<v Speaker 2>on the street? And she says I gave her every chance,

0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:20.080
<v Speaker 2>and Benson is like, you gave her a lousy sofa

0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:22.600
<v Speaker 2>as long as she could pay your rent. She yells

0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:24.640
<v Speaker 2>that she has two kids of her own and disability.

0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:26.120
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't pay much, Like, how do you want me

0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:27.880
<v Speaker 2>to pay for a baby, and she says.

0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:30.080
<v Speaker 3>Well, maybe not abandoned, Gladys.

0:49:30.120 --> 0:49:31.600
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, bitch, figure it out.

0:49:31.960 --> 0:49:36.600
<v Speaker 2>So then the aunt in her stepmother evil fashion says

0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:39.240
<v Speaker 2>she makes her own decisions and the moment she decided

0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:41.960
<v Speaker 2>to get into that pimps car, and Benson screams, she

0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:44.480
<v Speaker 2>was twelve years old. Have you ever heard of breaking

0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:47.200
<v Speaker 2>a bitch? And she's pleading with this woman and is like,

0:49:47.280 --> 0:49:50.520
<v Speaker 2>come on, she has a chance with you. The pimp

0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:53.360
<v Speaker 2>took away everything she has been dependent on him, like

0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:56.839
<v Speaker 2>let's do this. Let's help Gladys, Let's let's do it.

0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:00.960
<v Speaker 2>And she says, I love her, but I was at

0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:02.640
<v Speaker 2>the end of my rope. But I do think she

0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:05.640
<v Speaker 2>feels guilty, and then she gives a little clue and

0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:07.760
<v Speaker 2>she says she was on her computer before she left.

0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:09.840
<v Speaker 2>So now we head over to Joel de la Fuente

0:50:09.920 --> 0:50:13.080
<v Speaker 2>aka Ruben Morales aka Taaro. So they see that she

0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:15.319
<v Speaker 2>put an ad up on Craigslist. Tabler is like same

0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:18.040
<v Speaker 2>place you can buy a used lawnmower, and Benson says,

0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:22.200
<v Speaker 2>or a woman and probably for cheaper, not good. And

0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:26.040
<v Speaker 2>her post says adds sunshine to your night. There's a

0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:28.120
<v Speaker 2>message from Red Hook, so they go to Red Hook.

0:50:28.120 --> 0:50:30.800
<v Speaker 2>They open the door. It's two stoner men. One is

0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Henry Zebrowski and the other is another man and you

0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:38.080
<v Speaker 2>know Henry personal Yes.

0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Henry's old Pala Mine from New York and he

0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:45.879
<v Speaker 1>has a podcast that does true crime and stuff called

0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:49.120
<v Speaker 1>Last Podcast on the Left. They talk about I think

0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:52.240
<v Speaker 1>they talk about true crime, but also like alien stuff.

0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Also like it goes a little bit wider than true crime.

0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:58.080
<v Speaker 1>But they're really funny, those guys. Yeah, super funny. I

0:50:58.080 --> 0:50:59.640
<v Speaker 1>think we have some crossover. I think some of you

0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:01.080
<v Speaker 1>guys like Last Pod.

0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:04.360
<v Speaker 2>And they have a giant bong that voice and they're like,

0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:08.520
<v Speaker 2>we ordered pizza, not a woman. And the detectives go

0:51:08.640 --> 0:51:11.040
<v Speaker 2>to search more of the apartment and she's there and

0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:13.680
<v Speaker 2>barely conscious and a leopard print nighty or like a

0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:15.600
<v Speaker 2>bra and they're like, what the fuck and a stoner

0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:18.400
<v Speaker 2>guys say that like they thought she left after they

0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:22.799
<v Speaker 2>banged her. And then there are liquids everywhere. Fuck her

0:51:22.840 --> 0:51:26.200
<v Speaker 2>water broke. We need a bus. And then she starts seizing.

0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:28.799
<v Speaker 2>Eyes rolled back in her head, and I thought, I

0:51:28.840 --> 0:51:30.400
<v Speaker 2>bet she thought she nailed the scene.

0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:32.319
<v Speaker 1>She I will say, that's the best thing that SJ.

0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Barton did in the scene, was her eyes really did

0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:37.319
<v Speaker 1>roll back? Yeah, yeah, yeah, good job. And I do

0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:42.880
<v Speaker 1>hope those stoners go to jail. Yeah for solicitation. Yeah,

0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:45.399
<v Speaker 1>we wasn't legal at the time. Like, I just hope

0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:48.640
<v Speaker 1>they get put away because they truly like obviously fucked,

0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:51.440
<v Speaker 1>like they did something bad to her for her to

0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:54.120
<v Speaker 1>water have broke or can your water just break? I

0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:56.400
<v Speaker 1>think your water can just break. I think the problem

0:51:56.480 --> 0:51:59.600
<v Speaker 1>was like the pregnancy was like not, It's crazy because

0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:01.480
<v Speaker 1>I think she's only like three months along. I don't

0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:04.560
<v Speaker 1>even know if like you have water yet.

0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:06.600
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't know. It's like it's confusing.

0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:11.080
<v Speaker 2>We have another doctor from earlier, and so it's not

0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:13.880
<v Speaker 2>that guy. We get doctor Franz. Who is Elizabeth Marvel

0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:17.880
<v Speaker 2>aka Linda Calhoun. Yep, Rita Calhoun. Rita why did Linda

0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:22.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. So it's Rita Calhoun. So that's really exciting.

0:52:22.480 --> 0:52:24.840
<v Speaker 2>And I always saw her as like being in the

0:52:24.880 --> 0:52:27.040
<v Speaker 2>show for so long as Rita Calhoun, I forgot that

0:52:27.120 --> 0:52:29.879
<v Speaker 2>she Yeah, up until eleven was like playing a weird

0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:30.359
<v Speaker 2>doctor and.

0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:32.839
<v Speaker 1>In an episode like with Buchanan, I kind of think

0:52:32.880 --> 0:52:35.360
<v Speaker 1>of them as like the same class of like evil

0:52:35.400 --> 0:52:38.600
<v Speaker 1>defense attorneys. Yeah, she must come back, like the following

0:52:38.800 --> 0:52:40.640
<v Speaker 1>we should look but when she comes back as Rita.

0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:43.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hope we can get her for this podcast.

0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:45.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm really obsessed with her. What if we got her

0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:47.799
<v Speaker 2>just for this one? When she plays a doctor for

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:52.160
<v Speaker 2>one second, she explains Misha has a grand Oh god, Okay,

0:52:52.200 --> 0:52:55.600
<v Speaker 2>So she explains that Misha is a Grandmule seizure brought

0:52:55.640 --> 0:52:59.960
<v Speaker 2>on by pre clampsia with brain edema, and Stabler like,

0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:03.720
<v Speaker 2>you and I are like English, please, And basically blood

0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:05.920
<v Speaker 2>pressure was super high and so they had to do

0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:08.440
<v Speaker 2>a sea section and the baby's four months early and

0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:09.800
<v Speaker 2>barely weighs a pound.

0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:12.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and the baby has lots.

0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Of issues and there's gonna be like so much surgery

0:53:15.600 --> 0:53:17.440
<v Speaker 2>and months in the Nike you and the chance to

0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:21.240
<v Speaker 2>live is seventeen to forty percent. Stabler says it's worth it,

0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:24.359
<v Speaker 2>and the doctor goes, I disagree, and Stabler goes, it's

0:53:24.480 --> 0:53:27.320
<v Speaker 2>murder and she says, no, this baby will be blind,

0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:30.600
<v Speaker 2>cerebral palsy, severe mental retortation. You think that's good, like

0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Stabler anti choice Catholic adoption vibes, and it's like, why

0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:35.280
<v Speaker 2>don't you adopt the baby?

0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Then?

0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:36.640
<v Speaker 4>Why don't you do that?

0:53:37.040 --> 0:53:38.719
<v Speaker 2>But he says, you don't know, maybe a baby can

0:53:38.800 --> 0:53:41.279
<v Speaker 2>live a normal life. And she says, it's slim chances, bro,

0:53:41.360 --> 0:53:44.839
<v Speaker 2>and I'm a doctor. So then they ask if Gladys knows,

0:53:44.880 --> 0:53:47.360
<v Speaker 2>and the doctor says, like I told her, but sometimes

0:53:47.400 --> 0:53:49.279
<v Speaker 2>it takes a while to sink in what's happening. Now,

0:53:49.320 --> 0:53:51.279
<v Speaker 2>me shows with the baby who's in the plastic baby

0:53:51.280 --> 0:53:52.439
<v Speaker 2>emergency holder thing.

0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:56.200
<v Speaker 4>Do you know what that one's? Thanator? Okay? I thought

0:53:56.239 --> 0:53:56.640
<v Speaker 4>in Cuba.

0:53:56.800 --> 0:53:59.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I loved having baby chicks in first grade. We

0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:01.600
<v Speaker 2>had like an incubator with eggs, and then we had all.

0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:03.320
<v Speaker 4>These chicks in the claust. That's so cute.

0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:07.440
<v Speaker 3>God, miss Ardell love you okay. And then two of

0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:12.040
<v Speaker 3>the baby chicks got to go on The Bachelor. Yeah.

0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:14.440
<v Speaker 2>And then sometimes during class they would like escape their

0:54:14.440 --> 0:54:17.000
<v Speaker 2>little cage and there would be like little chicks walking around.

0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:18.000
<v Speaker 4>It's so cute.

0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Misha's I loved first grade. Guess how many jellabeans are

0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:24.480
<v Speaker 1>in a jar? That was fun. Yeah, it only goes

0:54:25.480 --> 0:54:28.640
<v Speaker 1>chat like like read a book.

0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:31.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It was the first grade was nice. Okay.

0:54:31.120 --> 0:54:34.239
<v Speaker 2>So Misha's with the baby who's in a plastic baby

0:54:34.280 --> 0:54:39.640
<v Speaker 2>and an incubator, and she calls the baby a miracle,

0:54:40.040 --> 0:54:42.160
<v Speaker 2>but hasn't named her yet. She wants to pick the

0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:44.200
<v Speaker 2>right name and then take her home, and Benson's like

0:54:44.719 --> 0:54:46.359
<v Speaker 2>that might not be for a long time, and she goes,

0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:48.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm not worried, She'll be fine, and Benson's like, what

0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:48.920
<v Speaker 2>if she's not?

0:54:49.080 --> 0:54:49.520
<v Speaker 4>What then?

0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:52.920
<v Speaker 2>And Benson starts to plead with Misha, like she can't

0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:55.359
<v Speaker 2>suck or swallow on her own, And I think those

0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:57.759
<v Speaker 2>are wild actions to pick from all the actions to

0:54:57.800 --> 0:55:00.839
<v Speaker 2>talk to us like a sex worker, be like, your

0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:02.240
<v Speaker 2>baby won't suck or swallow?

0:55:02.280 --> 0:55:04.480
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, could you have thought of something different?

0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Like I there's other things you could have said? She

0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:12.520
<v Speaker 1>asks if she thinks the baby is suffering. Benson answers,

0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:15.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Misha's like, she can't die. She can't.

0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:17.799
<v Speaker 1>I told them to do whatever it takes to save her.

0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:21.360
<v Speaker 1>But it's also like, okay, medical bills. And then Benson

0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:23.719
<v Speaker 1>walks in and says to Stabler and anyone else who's

0:55:23.719 --> 0:55:25.839
<v Speaker 1>around that she's gonna do everything she can to save

0:55:25.840 --> 0:55:28.279
<v Speaker 1>the baby, and Saylor says, like, do no harm. And

0:55:28.320 --> 0:55:29.560
<v Speaker 1>it's like, do you want to join Lee.

0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Turguson and read scripture to girls and then bully them

0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:34.800
<v Speaker 2>into doing what you want, like stay out of it, Stabler.

0:55:35.120 --> 0:55:36.959
<v Speaker 2>And so Benson and Stabler have a back and forth

0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:39.160
<v Speaker 2>and Stabler says, well, you're not a parent, so you

0:55:39.160 --> 0:55:41.440
<v Speaker 2>don't get it. And then Benson's like, because I'm not

0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:44.239
<v Speaker 2>a mother, I don't care about this baby. And he

0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:46.480
<v Speaker 2>says that's not what he meant, and it's like, it

0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:48.759
<v Speaker 2>is what you meant. Yeah, it's absolutely what you meant,

0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:50.600
<v Speaker 2>and he loves to do that shit.

0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:53.879
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, and the whole thing is like.

0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Being a parent makes you care about other babies lists

0:55:57.640 --> 0:55:59.800
<v Speaker 2>because you care about yours the most, Like that's the

0:55:59.840 --> 0:56:00.520
<v Speaker 2>whole point.

0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:04.160
<v Speaker 3>It's like, no, that's what parenthood is.

0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:07.439
<v Speaker 1>That's why I think that's why people are so into

0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:10.239
<v Speaker 1>keeping a nuclear family, because you are, like, I care

0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:13.799
<v Speaker 1>about my family, and that's why they let like, if

0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:14.600
<v Speaker 1>we cared about all the.

0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:17.040
<v Speaker 3>Kids, kids wouldn't be at the border, kids wouldn't be places.

0:56:17.080 --> 0:56:20.160
<v Speaker 1>But people care about I have found I've always loved kids,

0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:22.960
<v Speaker 1>and I found since I had kids, I'm more affected

0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:26.080
<v Speaker 1>by like stories about mistreatment of kids or kids or anything.

0:56:26.080 --> 0:56:27.600
<v Speaker 3>I care more about other kids.

0:56:27.960 --> 0:56:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's like the thing of like our friends,

0:56:29.920 --> 0:56:32.560
<v Speaker 2>like buying a house in a different neighborhood to not.

0:56:32.560 --> 0:56:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Do the school set.

0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, because you don't care about another kids. You

0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:37.000
<v Speaker 2>want your kid to have the best bet.

0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:38.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, I hear you.

0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:42.440
<v Speaker 1>And so well, it's also kind of like at Rosie's

0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:45.200
<v Speaker 1>birthday party, who stay who brought the best gifts? The

0:56:45.200 --> 0:56:48.799
<v Speaker 1>people without kids, who stayed late to help put the

0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:50.280
<v Speaker 1>chairs away and help you clean.

0:56:50.160 --> 0:56:51.799
<v Speaker 3>Up, the people without kids.

0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:55.520
<v Speaker 2>When you have kids, you focus on your kids. And

0:56:55.600 --> 0:56:58.919
<v Speaker 2>so to like tell Olivia she wouldn't care about this baby,

0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:01.800
<v Speaker 2>especially all the work that she does at the police.

0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Station, it's like, go fuck yourself. Oh yeah.

0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:08.600
<v Speaker 2>But then she brings Eli into the discussion, which if

0:57:08.600 --> 0:57:10.480
<v Speaker 2>this was the Real Housewives, there would be a full

0:57:10.520 --> 0:57:11.480
<v Speaker 2>physical altercation.

0:57:11.760 --> 0:57:14.160
<v Speaker 3>Not talk about the kids, and.

0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:17.160
<v Speaker 2>They don't understand analogies in the Real Housewives universe. So

0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:20.560
<v Speaker 2>it's like, to bring Eli into the discussion, I was like,

0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:23.480
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, oh my god. But he says I

0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:27.720
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't uh. He basically says I wouldn't play god. And

0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:32.400
<v Speaker 2>she says, then don't play doctor either, and Cabot walks

0:57:32.440 --> 0:57:36.400
<v Speaker 2>in to break the tension, and she says, let me

0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:37.360
<v Speaker 2>guess the baby.

0:57:37.440 --> 0:57:38.640
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I just wonder what.

0:57:39.360 --> 0:57:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Elliott would actually do because it has any had moments

0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:44.439
<v Speaker 2>of compassion where he does like let the kids.

0:57:44.640 --> 0:57:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like what about that guy like kidnapped his own

0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:51.520
<v Speaker 1>baby because the baby was like gonna like was in

0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:53.960
<v Speaker 1>pain and having a horrible death, but the guy wanted

0:57:53.960 --> 0:57:55.960
<v Speaker 1>to take him off. I think the father wanted to

0:57:56.040 --> 0:57:57.600
<v Speaker 1>keep him on and the mother wanted to take him

0:57:57.640 --> 0:57:59.840
<v Speaker 1>off of life support. And I think it's stay Blene

0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:02.800
<v Speaker 1>that one. I don't know, they've had issues like this before. Yeah,

0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:05.720
<v Speaker 1>like the Taysacs episode, Yes, like they killed their they

0:58:06.480 --> 0:58:08.320
<v Speaker 1>ended their baby's life because they were like, the baby's

0:58:08.360 --> 0:58:09.440
<v Speaker 1>only going to be in pain and have.

0:58:09.400 --> 0:58:10.480
<v Speaker 4>A horrible life.

0:58:10.560 --> 0:58:14.320
<v Speaker 2>So I know someone like would stable keep like a

0:58:14.400 --> 0:58:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Taystocks baby in pain.

0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Like what happens when like you do go to the

0:58:18.400 --> 0:58:21.960
<v Speaker 1>hospital and you're a sex worker with no money and

0:58:22.000 --> 0:58:23.920
<v Speaker 1>they're like this is going to require millions of dollars

0:58:23.920 --> 0:58:28.320
<v Speaker 1>of surgery? Does the hospital do it knowing they can't

0:58:28.360 --> 0:58:28.960
<v Speaker 1>pay for it?

0:58:29.000 --> 0:58:29.280
<v Speaker 4>I don't.

0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:31.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know because I've heard stories of like people

0:58:31.240 --> 0:58:33.560
<v Speaker 2>getting turned away from hospitals because they don't have insurance

0:58:33.560 --> 0:58:34.800
<v Speaker 2>and then like dying on the street.

0:58:34.920 --> 0:58:36.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it's like I don't know what the ethical

0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:37.600
<v Speaker 3>I don't.

0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Know what happens because I mean I had to put

0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:41.400
<v Speaker 1>a credit card down for my birds, you know, like

0:58:41.400 --> 0:58:43.400
<v Speaker 1>if my insurance didn't pay for it, they probably would

0:58:43.400 --> 0:58:44.560
<v Speaker 1>have charged my card or something.

0:58:44.760 --> 0:58:47.840
<v Speaker 3>Your births, my birds. Yes, it sounded like birds, but

0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:49.400
<v Speaker 3>I knew you were talking about your births, but it

0:58:49.440 --> 0:58:51.320
<v Speaker 3>was when I brought my birds to the hospital.

0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:54.480
<v Speaker 2>But also going back to the parent thing, like even

0:58:54.520 --> 0:58:56.920
<v Speaker 2>when I would babysit, like if anyone was kind of

0:58:56.960 --> 0:58:58.439
<v Speaker 2>mean to the kid I baby said at the park,

0:58:58.440 --> 0:59:00.000
<v Speaker 2>it's like watch like I'm not nice to you.

0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'll be like, get the fuck away from this.

0:59:02.440 --> 0:59:05.240
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy act like it's but it's part of the whole,

0:59:05.320 --> 0:59:07.600
<v Speaker 1>like hubris of people that do have like tons of

0:59:07.680 --> 0:59:10.120
<v Speaker 1>kids and are Catholic and are like what am I

0:59:10.160 --> 0:59:13.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to say? That? Like Stabler is just like we

0:59:13.560 --> 0:59:16.240
<v Speaker 1>know because we're it's like our special magical gift. It's

0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:19.480
<v Speaker 1>like no other people can care about children, like yeah,

0:59:19.520 --> 0:59:22.320
<v Speaker 1>and people that have children are horrible to their children.

0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:25.400
<v Speaker 3>If you watch SVU, Yeah, if you're a parent.

0:59:25.320 --> 0:59:27.840
<v Speaker 1>You'd understand how all these parents are doing a pretty

0:59:27.840 --> 0:59:30.640
<v Speaker 1>bad job. I watch it every week. Yeah, that's definitely

0:59:30.680 --> 0:59:33.520
<v Speaker 1>another thing of like parents. It just makes you a

0:59:33.520 --> 0:59:34.120
<v Speaker 1>better person.

0:59:34.160 --> 0:59:36.919
<v Speaker 2>It's like, what about I'm trying to think of why

0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:38.280
<v Speaker 2>are all the SVW episodes?

0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:40.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm like falling for a blank. I don't even the

0:59:40.240 --> 0:59:41.160
<v Speaker 1>rock Star mom.

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<v Speaker 3>Was mad the rock Star mom? When are we getting

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<v Speaker 3>Hayden Panter.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you know this, but last week

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<v Speaker 2>I watched Scream two, three, and four.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that great. Did you see five? Of

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<v Speaker 1>course I saw it on a plane. Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I told you I watched that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the guy next to me is watching Silence

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<v Speaker 2>of the Lambs and I'm like, oh, look, we love horror.

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<v Speaker 2>We're And then he watched Jango Unchained and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're unhinged, like Silence of the Lambs and Wild back

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<v Speaker 2>to back.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, everyone knows on this podcast that I

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<v Speaker 1>love Silence of the Lambs, but to watch it on

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<v Speaker 1>a plane feels wild.

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<v Speaker 4>I like being well. One time I was making.

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<v Speaker 1>Skin suits out of women. One time I was watching

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<v Speaker 1>over Idaho The Gift. Oh yeah, I've seen that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's scary, And Matteo was sitting in front of me,

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<v Speaker 2>but I got so scared that I screamed so loud,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I just saw his head slowly pop up

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<v Speaker 2>with the most evil glare, like what is wrong with you?

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<v Speaker 4>And it's like the gift.

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<v Speaker 2>Cabot walks in to break the tension, and she says,

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<v Speaker 2>let me guess the baby, so Cabot knows that they're arguing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they but Stabler likes to do this to

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<v Speaker 2>live and it does piss me off, and I feel

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<v Speaker 2>defensive of Olivia when he's just like, you fucking spinster,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't give a shit at what you say or

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<v Speaker 2>you don't understand. I just hate when he talks down

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<v Speaker 2>to her, yeah, or like talks about her dad, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't like when he comes for her.

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<v Speaker 3>And empathy is her one of her biggest traits.

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<v Speaker 2>It's insane, like she fucking helped your wife in a

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<v Speaker 2>car accident give birth to your son as she was dying.

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<v Speaker 4>I just, ugh, what a fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>And Benson is like, yeah, I mean me and Elliott

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<v Speaker 2>obviously don't see eye to eye. I'm also really defensive

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<v Speaker 2>about this because this has happened to me. Yeah, people

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<v Speaker 2>say crazy shit to me.

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<v Speaker 3>You won't understand, and like I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 4>I could never say that to a person.

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<v Speaker 2>But and its apost like of course, like I also

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<v Speaker 2>know things are I don't know it just it does

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<v Speaker 2>bother me. She says, well, let's just focus on putting

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<v Speaker 2>the red buet guy away, and Cabots like, we need

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<v Speaker 2>her to testify, and Benson's like, her baby's like a pound,

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<v Speaker 2>she's not going to leave the hospital, and Cabot says,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care. We cannot let him get back on

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<v Speaker 2>the streets. So if she doesn't come, arrest her for prostitution,

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<v Speaker 2>and Benson doesn't want to, and Cabots like, I don't care,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to do it. So it cuts to Misha

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<v Speaker 2>singing a song to her baby in the plastic box

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<v Speaker 2>aka incubator, and she know she's been having trouble breathing,

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<v Speaker 2>but the baby's chilling right now. Benson crouches down and says,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to testify. She says, I'm not leaving my baby,

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<v Speaker 2>and Benson goes, well, if you don't all, arrest you

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<v Speaker 2>for prostitution, and she says, I'm not going anywhere and

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<v Speaker 2>go to hell.

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<v Speaker 4>So Benson arrests her.

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<v Speaker 2>This sucks her curls look incredible, Like where did Misha

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<v Speaker 2>Barton find time at the hospital to do an immaculate

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<v Speaker 2>curl accession turn.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, the baby that they use for this must be

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<v Speaker 1>a prop.

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<v Speaker 3>You cannot get a baby that tiny.

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<v Speaker 1>I was very.

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<v Speaker 2>Uncomfortable every time they showed the little baby on the

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<v Speaker 2>vergin of desk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they were like doing baby CPR on her. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't need I think it's a prop, fake baby. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they stole a baby for them from

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<v Speaker 1>the nick to nick you get your SAG cards early, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have a baby that was born two to

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<v Speaker 3>three months early?

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<v Speaker 1>The casting breakdown, Sorry, she's on.

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<v Speaker 2>The stand retelling the attack, and she points to Bill

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<v Speaker 2>skagg Skaggy Lee Turgison and oh no, it's Buchanans time.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is not going to be good. And he's

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<v Speaker 2>obviously an asshole. He's spinning it that she's turning on

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<v Speaker 2>him now to make a deal and not because it's

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<v Speaker 2>really him who did it. And he's like, you dumb bitch,

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<v Speaker 2>why did you drop out of the eighth grade? And

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<v Speaker 2>it's like yelling that someone at twelve did something wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like to yell at a twelve year old for

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<v Speaker 2>not going back to eighth grade is just so weird.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very vicious.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what makes him such a good defense attorney.

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<v Speaker 2>And she says none of that matters, like the man

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<v Speaker 2>who tried to kill me, Like that's the truth and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to let him get away with that,

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<v Speaker 2>and her eyes are tearing up.

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<v Speaker 4>She's doing good.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe they put a little stick of menthol shit

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<v Speaker 2>under her eyes.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think she can cry and no shade.

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<v Speaker 2>He calls her a criminal, and she looks sad, and

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<v Speaker 2>then Cabot comes back up and asks how long did

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<v Speaker 2>your pimp control you? And she says since she was

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<v Speaker 2>twelve years old, so ten years? So how many nights

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<v Speaker 2>a week did he force you to work?

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<v Speaker 4>Five? How many men a night? Six?

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<v Speaker 2>So then she does all the math and she says,

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<v Speaker 2>since the age you were twelve, you've been raped thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>thousand times.

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<v Speaker 4>We can sit with that number.

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<v Speaker 2>And then she says yes, and Rabbit says, I hope

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<v Speaker 2>I cleared things up for you, counselor, as she turns

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<v Speaker 2>to Buchanan and says that's a victim and points to

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<v Speaker 2>Skags and goes and that's a criminal.

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<v Speaker 4>Love this Cabot's so hot. Drop.

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<v Speaker 2>So he gets up and goes, excuse me, I'm a criminal,

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<v Speaker 2>and the judge yells at him to sit down, and

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<v Speaker 2>he starts talking about Satan penetrating her and then goes,

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<v Speaker 2>you whore. God demands your repentance, and he pushes the

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<v Speaker 2>table and runs to the witness box and the bayliff

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<v Speaker 2>knocks him off his feet and onto the ground, and

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<v Speaker 2>the judge is hitting her gavel like that's gonna do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Like this man is having an emotional, wild psychological break

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<v Speaker 2>and like jumping up and down and you think the.

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<v Speaker 3>Gavel's gonna stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe gavel on his Sorry, yeah, I'll go back.

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<v Speaker 2>She says the IDA will be used and he needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be taken away, and he's screaming and screaming. He's

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<v Speaker 2>being dragged out by three men as he screams. Barton

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<v Speaker 2>looks very stressed in the hallway now and Benson walks

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<v Speaker 2>out and says, Cabot's dropping the prostitution charges.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a good girl. Ouh, you're a good girl. She

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<v Speaker 1>didn't sit it, Oh my god, And she.

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<v Speaker 2>Is sad about everything you can and said about her

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<v Speaker 2>and Benson says, that's all behind you, and she says

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<v Speaker 2>this will never be behind me, and I yeah. So

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<v Speaker 2>she's crying. What am I supposed to tell my baby

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<v Speaker 2>when she grows up? And they're like, your baby is

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<v Speaker 2>not going to grow up? Like how many more times

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<v Speaker 2>do we have to tell that your baby is done.

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<v Speaker 3>And will not understand what prostitution even is?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I obviously.

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<v Speaker 3>This is sad, but it's like I don't know, so

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<v Speaker 3>it's awkward.

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<v Speaker 2>Benson is good and she says all that matters is

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<v Speaker 2>that you love your little girl and you will make

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<v Speaker 2>the right decision for her now and she will understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Amisia says yeah and cries and says right Decisionugh, then

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<v Speaker 2>hugs her and smiles, and she cries and walks off,

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<v Speaker 2>and then Benson looks worried as she watches her leave,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the courthouse. And Craigan knocks on Benson's apartment

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<v Speaker 2>and he has papers in his hand. A lawyer left

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<v Speaker 2>this for you at the station, he says. And Gladys

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<v Speaker 2>left her power of attorney over her daughter and wrote

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<v Speaker 2>her a note, Olivia, I realize today that you are right.

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<v Speaker 2>I do need to make the right decisions from now on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I've decided to go away and figure everything out.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know you will be there for my baby

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<v Speaker 2>and do what's best for her until I get back

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<v Speaker 2>and be the mother that she deserves. And so Marishka

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<v Speaker 2>runs to the hospital and doctor France is there and

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<v Speaker 2>meets her, and the baby's brain is bleeding and they

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<v Speaker 2>need her permission to operate, and her chances are not

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<v Speaker 2>good without surgery, and even with surgery, she can have

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<v Speaker 2>brain damage for the rest of her life. And Benson

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<v Speaker 2>is thinking and the camera zooms in on her and

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<v Speaker 2>there's crying and she's trying to decide what to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is a real cliffhanger.

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<v Speaker 1>Dick Wolf, Baby, what do you think she does? Um

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<v Speaker 1>calls Elliott. I don't know, to shame her.

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<v Speaker 3>I think she lets the baby pass.

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<v Speaker 1>You do, yeah, because we'd hear about this baby, like

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<v Speaker 1>there'd be something about it, don't you think?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>But I think she wants to do what Gladys wants.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe yeah, But it's like, does power of attorney mean financial?

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, again, I don't know who pays for millions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars of surgery.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's not been that many cliffhangers on SVU that

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<v Speaker 2>aren't two carters, So that's it. The only one I

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<v Speaker 2>can think of is the Shannon Sassiman one at the

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<v Speaker 2>College professor rape.

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<v Speaker 1>But like this were like more like even identity where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like which one did it? You know?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, very rare to have a cliffhanger.

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<v Speaker 2>So and star studded while I was watching it, I

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<v Speaker 2>saw but I'm like, it can't be Lee Turgison but

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<v Speaker 2>it wait what like it was a wild episode and

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<v Speaker 2>we learned a lot of words.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, we will be right back with some crazy

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<v Speaker 1>true crime. Okay, Lisa, do you know anything about the

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<v Speaker 1>Yorkshire Ripper? No?

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<v Speaker 4>But is that because what's I know? Jack the Rip?

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<v Speaker 3>Jack the Ripper?

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<v Speaker 4>I actually don't have.

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<v Speaker 1>Old timey Yorkshire Ripper is the seventies and early eighties. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So this episode is based on Peter William Sutcliffe, who

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<v Speaker 1>was an English serial killer who the media nicknamed the

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<v Speaker 1>Yorkshire Ripper and he was His name is Peter William Sutcliffe.

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<v Speaker 1>But eventually, after he went to jail spoiler alert, he

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<v Speaker 1>gets caught, he started using his mother's maiden name and

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<v Speaker 1>going by William Peter William Coonan. So anyway, this man

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<v Speaker 1>killed thirteen women and attacked ten others between nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five and nineteen eighty And I actually knew nothing about this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Had started watching The Ripper.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a four part series on Netflix called The Ripper,

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<v Speaker 1>which is one of my sources here, and I started

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<v Speaker 1>watching it, and for some reason it was like boring me.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when I watched it this time, I was

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<v Speaker 1>like really wrapped by it. So I don't really know why.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just the wrong time. Anyway, there is a

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<v Speaker 1>four part series all about this man.

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<v Speaker 4>He was born.

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<v Speaker 1>This man, Peter Sutcliffe was born to a working class

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic family.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a loner. He dropped out of school at fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a bunch of shitty jobs, like he was

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<v Speaker 1>a grave digger, and then I guess that led to

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<v Speaker 1>a job part time at a morgue, and he apparently

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<v Speaker 1>bragged his friends about robbing bodies at the morgue. So like,

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<v Speaker 1>and he started to develop like sort of a sixth

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<v Speaker 1>sense of humor, they said, once he started grave digging

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<v Speaker 1>and working at the morgue. So eventually he became a

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<v Speaker 1>truck driver, and then that was the job he had

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<v Speaker 1>the entire time that he was killing.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's that's kind of irrelevant. It doesn't really have

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<v Speaker 3>anything to.

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<v Speaker 4>Do with it.

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<v Speaker 1>He was known to patronize sex workers, and apparently there's

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<v Speaker 1>a sort of unsubstantiated claim. I think that one time

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<v Speaker 1>a sex worker stole from him with her pimp, and

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<v Speaker 1>that that is sort of what started his hatred for

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<v Speaker 1>sex workers. But his first recorded attack was in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine and he was so he was about twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was out looking for the woman who robbed him,

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<v Speaker 1>and he met a different woman who is unnamed. She

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to be named and I think never press charges.

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<v Speaker 1>And he hit her over the head with a rock

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<v Speaker 1>and a sock. Okay, so that's his first attack. She

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<v Speaker 1>got his license plate number. Cops questioned him. He admitted

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<v Speaker 1>to hitting her, but that he did it with his hand,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they let him off because the woman just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to drop the whole thing. I mean, I wish

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<v Speaker 1>that she had pushed it a little because this guy

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<v Speaker 1>went on to do some pretty bad damage. But fast

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<v Speaker 1>forward to night. Yeah, you dumb it. I'm just totally

1:10:15.680 --> 1:10:17.200
<v Speaker 1>kidd I'm totally kidding. She got hit with a sock,

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<v Speaker 1>rock and a sock. So fast forward to nineteen seventy five,

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<v Speaker 1>six years later, and I do think that he attacked

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<v Speaker 1>in between sixty nine and seventy five, but seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>is where it's note it's like documented that he started

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of becoming more active attacker slash killer. So

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<v Speaker 1>around this time when he starts, he's like twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>he attacks three other women in a row, Anna Ragolski,

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<v Speaker 1>Olive Smelt, and a teenager named Tracy Brown. And these

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<v Speaker 1>are like five weeks and two weeks apart these attacks.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the first two cases he hit the women

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<v Speaker 1>over the head with what's called a ball peen hammer.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate it because it sounds like you're saying penis

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<v Speaker 1>like keene, But do you know what a ballpeen hammer is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like flat on one side, it has like a

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<v Speaker 1>ball on the other side, so it's like a little

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<v Speaker 1>hand hammer. It's small, and that was like his weapon

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<v Speaker 1>of choice. Like he always would knock women out with that,

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<v Speaker 1>like really hurt, like smash their skulls with it, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he would slash their mid sections. In both cases

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<v Speaker 1>here he was interrupted, and that is what saved these

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<v Speaker 1>women's lives, thankfully, But.

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<v Speaker 4>They who did he get interrupted by.

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<v Speaker 1>Like like cars going by, Like he didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>he was doing at first. He would just like attack

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<v Speaker 1>women on open roads at night, and then like a

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<v Speaker 1>car would come by and he'd run away, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so like he wasn't planning things. He wasn't like a

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<v Speaker 1>sophisticated killer at the beginning. So those women lived, but

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<v Speaker 1>they had massive trauma from the attacks, both like mental

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<v Speaker 1>and like brain like literal brain damage from the I got.

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<v Speaker 2>A friend a comics told me that he dared someone

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<v Speaker 2>at school once to snort like lead from a lead pencil,

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<v Speaker 2>and that he never came back to school again.

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<v Speaker 3>What oh Jesus, that's aggressive.

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<v Speaker 4>And everyone hated him because he made the kid do.

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<v Speaker 1>It careful with your dar's, dudes, that's wild, okay. So

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<v Speaker 1>and Olive Smelt told the police that this man had

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<v Speaker 1>a Yorkshire accent. The police ignored that, okay. In Tracy's case,

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<v Speaker 1>he had her with a hammer a bunch of times

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<v Speaker 1>and then was scared off by headlights.

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<v Speaker 4>Why would they ignore that?

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<v Speaker 1>They just they they didn't connect these attacks at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning to the Yorkshire ripper. Yet so there were all

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<v Speaker 1>these attacks, there were like these attacks or whatever, they were.

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<v Speaker 2>All the same with cut mid sections, and they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know it was the same person.

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<v Speaker 1>The police incompetence in this case is going to astound you.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to, like you need to just prepare yourself

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<v Speaker 1>because it gets so much worse. And there's there's like

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<v Speaker 1>there's like echoes of it in the SVU episode. Not

1:12:45.920 --> 1:12:49.320
<v Speaker 1>the police incompetence, but the way that the police look

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<v Speaker 1>at sex workers. I mean you could even when when

1:12:52.680 --> 1:12:55.519
<v Speaker 1>stablers like trying to figure out that the first victim Abbey,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, I don't think she's a sex Wert's like

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<v Speaker 1>what does it matter find out like what happened to her? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like the obsession with like this wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>even a sex worker. This was an innocent regular person.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like that's they do a lot of that shit here.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, like I said at the beginning, he was

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<v Speaker 1>really amateure. It seems like he just attacked whenever he

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<v Speaker 1>thought he had an opportunity, but he just didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>how to keep himself like from getting caught, and so

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<v Speaker 1>he would like run off mid attack. So then his

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<v Speaker 1>first murder victim was in October of nineteen seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>in Leeds, which is like a city in Yorkshire in

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<v Speaker 1>England where a lot of around which a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these crimes happened. And her name was Wilma mc cann.

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<v Speaker 1>She was a twenty eight year old divorced sex worker

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<v Speaker 1>with four kids, and she was found yards from the

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<v Speaker 1>house where she lived with her four kids. So they

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<v Speaker 1>talked to her kids in this interview too, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>really heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 3>So Sutcliffe hit her twice with a.

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<v Speaker 1>Hammer, stabbed her many times, and a medical examiner in

1:13:52.880 --> 1:13:55.479
<v Speaker 1>the Netflix dock the ripper said it was done by

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<v Speaker 1>someone a considerably disturbed person, so well he didn't need.

1:13:59.320 --> 1:14:02.320
<v Speaker 3>To be a medical exactly exactly. I thought i'd throw

1:14:02.360 --> 1:14:03.800
<v Speaker 3>that a professional quote in.

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<v Speaker 1>But so Leeds at the time is considered like a

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<v Speaker 1>decaying suburb, so I guess they're just like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of industry had left the city and so they have

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<v Speaker 1>a red light district. And it seems that Sutcliffe at

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<v Speaker 1>that point refocused his attention on sex workers and started

1:14:21.400 --> 1:14:24.000
<v Speaker 1>work like killing in areas and attacking in areas with

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<v Speaker 1>red light districts, which was why none. They didn't connect

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<v Speaker 1>him to the first three attacks because they weren't sex

1:14:30.560 --> 1:14:34.120
<v Speaker 1>workers and they weren't in areas that had red light districts,

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<v Speaker 1>So that was why they sort of didn't connect it

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<v Speaker 1>at first.

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<v Speaker 4>But again it seems dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>So the press called Wilma a quote unquote good time girl.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the reasons that he was able to

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<v Speaker 1>avoid capture for so long was because the press, like

1:14:47.479 --> 1:14:50.280
<v Speaker 1>they say it in these interviews, they're like, they do

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<v Speaker 1>not give a fuck about sex workers. Like one reporter goes, yeah,

1:14:53.479 --> 1:14:56.880
<v Speaker 1>you read about Wilma mccannon, You're just like another minor story,

1:14:56.960 --> 1:14:59.920
<v Speaker 1>like a sex worker being murdered, like and so at

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<v Speaker 1>at first, it wasn't super acknowledged. There wasn't a big

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<v Speaker 1>investigation yet. His next murder was about three months later,

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<v Speaker 1>also in Leeds. He killed a forty two year old

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<v Speaker 1>named Emily Jackson by hitting her on the head with

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<v Speaker 1>a hammer, stabbing her fifty six times psycho. He stamped

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<v Speaker 1>on her thigh and left a boot print. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>like the first piece of kind of evidence they get

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<v Speaker 1>about him, is this bootprint, Like what kind of boots

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<v Speaker 1>and what sized shoe? So she had been persuaded Emily

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson by her husband to turn to sex work to

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<v Speaker 1>help support their family, and she usually did that out

1:15:27.760 --> 1:15:30.960
<v Speaker 1>of the family's roofing van, but in this case Sutcliffe had.

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<v Speaker 3>Picked her up and driven her to a bad part

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<v Speaker 3>of town.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think he started to realize, I can't just

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<v Speaker 1>kill women I see walking down the street. I've got

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<v Speaker 1>to get a woman in my car and take her

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<v Speaker 1>to a place where I can kill her to not

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<v Speaker 1>be detected or whatever. So his next attack was a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty year old named I think it's it's Marcella, but

1:15:49.880 --> 1:15:52.920
<v Speaker 1>in England, I think they say Marcella. So anyway, Marcella

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<v Speaker 1>Claxton is attacked three months later in May, and she

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<v Speaker 1>was walking home from a party. Sutcliffe offered her a ride,

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<v Speaker 1>she got out of the car to pee and he

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<v Speaker 1>hit her with a hammer, and she somehow survived and

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<v Speaker 1>she was able to testify against Sutcliff later at trial,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the time they didn't connect her her attack

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<v Speaker 1>to the ripper. She had been four months pregnant at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, and she did miscarry because of the attack,

1:16:17.200 --> 1:16:20.600
<v Speaker 1>and she needed multiple extensive brain operations and had intermittent

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<v Speaker 1>blackouts and chronic depression. So all of the women that

1:16:23.880 --> 1:16:26.160
<v Speaker 1>have survived this have been plagued by like horrible side

1:16:26.160 --> 1:16:27.360
<v Speaker 1>effects their entire lives.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's just hammers should be outlawed.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like I have three in my house right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Ripper takes the rest of the year off

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<v Speaker 1>and then in February of nineteen seventy seventies back at it.

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<v Speaker 1>On February fifth, he attacks Irene Richardson, who works in Chapeltown,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the red light district of Leeds where that's

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<v Speaker 1>where Wilma had been the night of her death. And

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<v Speaker 1>later people questioned whether Irene was actually a sex worker

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<v Speaker 1>at all, or whether the police just put that on

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<v Speaker 1>her to fit their theory.

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<v Speaker 3>Like there's one guy in the Duck documentary who says, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Up until ten days before her death, she was a

1:17:03.479 --> 1:17:06.439
<v Speaker 1>really respectable person and then she just slided down into

1:17:06.560 --> 1:17:09.200
<v Speaker 1>decline and lost her status, is what they kept saying.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, so ten days before she dies,

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<v Speaker 1>she just becomes a sex work. Like it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>the police were just trying to make this a killer

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<v Speaker 1>of sex workers. I think also in a way to

1:17:19.600 --> 1:17:21.880
<v Speaker 1>not like alert the public, like don't worry if you're

1:17:21.920 --> 1:17:23.679
<v Speaker 1>not a sex worker. This isn't like a big deal

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's super fucked.

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<v Speaker 3>But Irene's death is what.

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<v Speaker 1>Connected got them all to connect it. It's like that's

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<v Speaker 1>when they were like, okay, this is a serial like

1:17:32.479 --> 1:17:34.800
<v Speaker 1>this is a guy who's out here doing this. She

1:17:35.080 --> 1:17:38.759
<v Speaker 1>was bludgeoned again, and then she was mutilated post mortem

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<v Speaker 1>thank god, you know, silver lining, and the contents of

1:17:43.520 --> 1:17:45.920
<v Speaker 1>her purse were like neatly laid out, and they say

1:17:46.040 --> 1:17:50.040
<v Speaker 1>the bodies are displayed. I don't really know what that

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<v Speaker 1>means because they don't get specific about it, but I

1:17:52.760 --> 1:17:57.920
<v Speaker 1>think that's a common part of his emo. So the

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<v Speaker 1>police also found a tire track near that murder. So

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<v Speaker 1>now they've got the bootprint, the tire tracks, and they're

1:18:02.880 --> 1:18:05.160
<v Speaker 1>just like slowly gathering more evidence. And this is the

1:18:05.200 --> 1:18:07.920
<v Speaker 1>case where they realize it's a serial killer and they're

1:18:07.920 --> 1:18:08.679
<v Speaker 1>all sex workers.

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<v Speaker 3>They're all knocked out, murdered, and there's no evidence of rape.

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<v Speaker 3>He does not.

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<v Speaker 1>Assault them, so this is purely about just like rage

1:18:16.000 --> 1:18:19.840
<v Speaker 1>towards women and wanting to kill. So a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>months later, in April, he kills a woman named Patricia

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<v Speaker 1>Tina Atkinson. Tina's in quotes. I guess that's her nickname.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's a sex worker. And he kills her in

1:18:28.720 --> 1:18:32.000
<v Speaker 1>her apartment in Bradford. And that's the first time and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the only time he kills someone in their home.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the time, this guy works outside and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a departure for him, and it's more dangerous for

1:18:40.439 --> 1:18:43.160
<v Speaker 1>him to, like, you know, be inside a building. People

1:18:43.160 --> 1:18:45.759
<v Speaker 1>can see you, you know. He usually blitzes them outside

1:18:45.840 --> 1:18:49.120
<v Speaker 1>or takes them to remote locations. Police found a bootprint

1:18:49.200 --> 1:18:52.479
<v Speaker 1>on the bedclothes so that they could match that. Two

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<v Speaker 1>months later, he murdered Jane McDonald in Chapeltown. Now this

1:18:55.840 --> 1:18:56.240
<v Speaker 1>was huge.

1:18:56.280 --> 1:18:56.920
<v Speaker 3>He left this.

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<v Speaker 1>Woman's body she's sixteen. She's sixteen. He leaves her on

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<v Speaker 1>a playground after the murder, but he didn't murder her there.

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<v Speaker 1>He took her there and left her there. So I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if that's like a signal, but she's not

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<v Speaker 1>a sex worker. And this woke people up and like

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<v Speaker 1>that any woman could be a victim of this psychopath,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he's not just going after sex workers. And the

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<v Speaker 1>way that the police cared about this victim more than

1:19:20.680 --> 1:19:23.720
<v Speaker 1>the other victims is like striking, Like they call her

1:19:24.000 --> 1:19:27.800
<v Speaker 1>the first innocent victim, which is so gross. She was

1:19:27.840 --> 1:19:30.479
<v Speaker 1>walking home alone and they speculated that the ripper thought

1:19:30.560 --> 1:19:32.840
<v Speaker 1>she was a sex worker. So it's like, no, maybe

1:19:32.840 --> 1:19:34.519
<v Speaker 1>he just wants to kill women and he just sees

1:19:34.560 --> 1:19:36.080
<v Speaker 1>them at the right time, you know, like he just

1:19:36.120 --> 1:19:38.000
<v Speaker 1>saw her at the right time and was able to

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<v Speaker 1>get her into his car somehow, And so everyone's up

1:19:41.080 --> 1:19:43.360
<v Speaker 1>in arms, and there was actually a letter posted in

1:19:43.400 --> 1:19:46.680
<v Speaker 1>the Yorkshire Evening Posts the paper to the ripper, and

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<v Speaker 1>the letter is like, basically like you've killed five women,

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<v Speaker 1>and you obviously have a deep patrid for sex workers,

1:19:52.120 --> 1:19:53.960
<v Speaker 1>but like this time you fucked up and you killed

1:19:53.960 --> 1:19:57.519
<v Speaker 1>an innocent quote unquote lass, a respectable girl from a

1:19:57.600 --> 1:20:00.280
<v Speaker 1>nice Leeds family. You must have felt really bad when

1:20:00.320 --> 1:20:02.760
<v Speaker 1>you realize you killed a nice girl. That's essentially the

1:20:03.439 --> 1:20:04.120
<v Speaker 1>crux of this.

1:20:04.400 --> 1:20:07.040
<v Speaker 2>And it's also like maybe he's targeting sex workers because

1:20:07.080 --> 1:20:08.360
<v Speaker 2>he knows you won't investigate.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, fucking yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So the next month July nineties, I'm sorry, July of

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven, he attacks Maureen Long, also in Bradford, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was interrupted this time and he took off and

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<v Speaker 1>left Maureen for dead, and when they found her she'd

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<v Speaker 1>been stabbed forward to five times and was suffering from hypothermia,

1:20:26.920 --> 1:20:29.479
<v Speaker 1>and she was hospitalized for nine weeks, and she was

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<v Speaker 1>considered the first survivor because they hadn't yet linked these

1:20:32.320 --> 1:20:35.479
<v Speaker 1>first three women to the attacks by him, but she

1:20:35.560 --> 1:20:38.679
<v Speaker 1>had such bad brain damage that she couldn't recall any details,

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<v Speaker 1>so she was not helpful as a.

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<v Speaker 4>Survivor for them.

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<v Speaker 1>A witness also misidentified the make of his car, which

1:20:45.280 --> 1:20:47.320
<v Speaker 1>led to a huge wild goose chase of three hundred

1:20:47.360 --> 1:20:50.280
<v Speaker 1>cops checking thousands of cars and not coming up with shit.

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<v Speaker 1>On October first that same year, he murdered Jean Jordan,

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<v Speaker 1>a sex worker from Manchester that's ninety minutes from Yorkshire,

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<v Speaker 1>so the police found it weird that he kind of

1:20:59.840 --> 1:21:02.920
<v Speaker 1>moved moved out of his area. When he confessed later

1:21:03.560 --> 1:21:07.200
<v Speaker 1>the Yorkshire Ripper Peter Suckliffe, he said that he realized

1:21:07.240 --> 1:21:10.080
<v Speaker 1>he had given her a five pound bill to pay

1:21:10.120 --> 1:21:12.720
<v Speaker 1>her and that it would be traceable to him, so

1:21:12.960 --> 1:21:16.599
<v Speaker 1>he hosted a party at his house and then he

1:21:16.680 --> 1:21:19.000
<v Speaker 1>returned to the area where he left the body. He

1:21:19.280 --> 1:21:23.400
<v Speaker 1>left the party and couldn't find the money and went back,

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<v Speaker 1>like he went back to the body and couldn't find

1:21:26.120 --> 1:21:27.360
<v Speaker 1>the money, and so he left. And so then they

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<v Speaker 1>found the body eight days later on October ninth, and

1:21:30.400 --> 1:21:33.479
<v Speaker 1>it was discovered by a local dairy worker and a

1:21:33.520 --> 1:21:36.880
<v Speaker 1>future actor, this man Bruce Jones. He's never made it

1:21:36.920 --> 1:21:38.920
<v Speaker 1>into anything really that's crossed over to the US, but

1:21:38.960 --> 1:21:41.679
<v Speaker 1>he's an actor in UK. He's been on Coronation Street,

1:21:41.680 --> 1:21:43.439
<v Speaker 1>which I think is one of their big soaps that's

1:21:43.439 --> 1:21:47.000
<v Speaker 1>been going on for decades and decades. So Bruce Jones

1:21:47.040 --> 1:21:51.479
<v Speaker 1>actually became a suspect in because he ran over he

1:21:51.560 --> 1:21:54.200
<v Speaker 1>literally like basically tripped over her body and said it

1:21:54.240 --> 1:21:56.200
<v Speaker 1>was like horrific what had been done to her body.

1:21:56.560 --> 1:21:59.400
<v Speaker 1>And it caused him to lose his wife, his marriage,

1:21:59.439 --> 1:22:01.679
<v Speaker 1>and his kid, and it gave him nightmares and affected

1:22:01.720 --> 1:22:03.720
<v Speaker 1>his mental health. So it really affected him finding this

1:22:03.760 --> 1:22:06.320
<v Speaker 1>dead body. Obviously he was not the killer. Back to

1:22:06.400 --> 1:22:09.479
<v Speaker 1>the five dollar bill, the five pound note that was

1:22:09.600 --> 1:22:12.519
<v Speaker 1>inside the pocket of her like the inside pocket of

1:22:12.520 --> 1:22:14.080
<v Speaker 1>our purse, which of course a man doesn't know to

1:22:14.080 --> 1:22:16.439
<v Speaker 1>look in there, but that's where it was. And they

1:22:16.479 --> 1:22:19.160
<v Speaker 1>traced it to these Brits, to these certain bank branches.

1:22:19.479 --> 1:22:22.519
<v Speaker 1>The police looked at all the bank operations and narrowed

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<v Speaker 1>it down to eight thousand employees who could have had

1:22:25.120 --> 1:22:27.800
<v Speaker 1>them like the money in their packet. And over three

1:22:27.840 --> 1:22:30.760
<v Speaker 1>months they interviewed five thousand people trying to trace this

1:22:30.920 --> 1:22:34.760
<v Speaker 1>five dollar bill and including Sutcliffe. He was interviewed and

1:22:34.800 --> 1:22:37.479
<v Speaker 1>the police said his alibis were credible because he had

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<v Speaker 1>spent a lot of the evening that he killed her

1:22:40.680 --> 1:22:42.560
<v Speaker 1>at this party at his house, like I think he

1:22:42.600 --> 1:22:45.200
<v Speaker 1>had like snuck out to kill her. So after weeks

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<v Speaker 1>of investigation, the five dollar note, the five pound note

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<v Speaker 1>thing led to nothing and.

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<v Speaker 3>That the police were very frustrated.

1:22:52.600 --> 1:22:56.000
<v Speaker 1>On December fourteenth, he attacked someone named Marilyn Moore and

1:22:56.040 --> 1:22:57.719
<v Speaker 1>she was another sex worker from Leeds.

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<v Speaker 3>She survived. She gave the police a description.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the tire tracks that her attack matched her description

1:23:05.600 --> 1:23:08.080
<v Speaker 1>looked like Sutcliffe, So she gave an accurate description. Like

1:23:08.120 --> 1:23:10.840
<v Speaker 1>in the end, she gave a great description and so

1:23:11.000 --> 1:23:14.120
<v Speaker 1>had other survivors. And she provided a good description of

1:23:14.120 --> 1:23:16.080
<v Speaker 1>his car which had been seen in red light districts.

1:23:16.080 --> 1:23:17.679
<v Speaker 3>So they's like they have a look of this guy.

1:23:18.160 --> 1:23:20.800
<v Speaker 1>I have to say, when you look at him he's bearded,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of not a nondescript like.

1:23:23.280 --> 1:23:24.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure a lot of guys look like him.

1:23:25.439 --> 1:23:28.599
<v Speaker 1>So. Then in January of nineteen seventy eight is when

1:23:28.600 --> 1:23:31.920
<v Speaker 1>they stopped the five dollar billing investigation. And that same

1:23:31.960 --> 1:23:34.479
<v Speaker 1>month he killed a twenty one year old named Yvonne Pearson,

1:23:34.479 --> 1:23:37.160
<v Speaker 1>who was another sex worker in Bradford. Bludgenger with the

1:23:37.200 --> 1:23:40.520
<v Speaker 1>ball pen hammer, jumped on her chest before stuffing horsehair

1:23:40.600 --> 1:23:43.479
<v Speaker 1>in her mouth from a discarded sofa that was near

1:23:43.479 --> 1:23:45.040
<v Speaker 1>where he killed her, and then he hid her body

1:23:45.120 --> 1:23:50.320
<v Speaker 1>under the sofa, just like wild's pointless things to do.

1:23:50.920 --> 1:23:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Ten days later, he killed Helen Ritka, an eighteen year

1:23:53.960 --> 1:23:54.799
<v Speaker 1>old sex worker.

1:23:55.080 --> 1:23:56.240
<v Speaker 4>This is not I know.

1:23:56.200 --> 1:23:56.839
<v Speaker 3>It's crazy.

1:23:56.960 --> 1:23:59.880
<v Speaker 1>There's so many murders, so many, and like sometimes he's

1:23:59.880 --> 1:24:02.439
<v Speaker 1>doing it a week apart, and sometimes he's waiting three months.

1:24:02.439 --> 1:24:04.439
<v Speaker 1>It's like, you don't know what or maybe we're not

1:24:04.479 --> 1:24:06.240
<v Speaker 1>connecting some of the cases. I'll get into that a

1:24:06.280 --> 1:24:06.880
<v Speaker 1>little bit later.

1:24:07.080 --> 1:24:10.240
<v Speaker 3>Anything about this guy, he's like a madman.

1:24:10.439 --> 1:24:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So killed Helen Rika eighteen three months later, he

1:24:15.200 --> 1:24:17.760
<v Speaker 1>killed Vera Millward. She was a forty year old sex

1:24:17.800 --> 1:24:22.120
<v Speaker 1>worker who was actually quite sick. She was frail and sickly.

1:24:22.160 --> 1:24:24.880
<v Speaker 1>She only had one lung, she had chromic chronic stomach pains.

1:24:25.160 --> 1:24:27.280
<v Speaker 1>And she went to go meet a regular client of

1:24:27.320 --> 1:24:29.840
<v Speaker 1>hers who never showed up, and that's when Sutcliffe picked

1:24:29.880 --> 1:24:32.960
<v Speaker 1>her up. And she was married to a Jamaican man,

1:24:33.280 --> 1:24:36.400
<v Speaker 1>and like that would be in that would be stuff

1:24:36.400 --> 1:24:38.439
<v Speaker 1>that they would like sort of use against her in

1:24:38.479 --> 1:24:41.120
<v Speaker 1>the press and stuff like they would talk about that

1:24:41.200 --> 1:24:43.080
<v Speaker 1>in like a way that made it seem like, oh,

1:24:43.160 --> 1:24:47.519
<v Speaker 1>she was in an interracial marriage, like crazy. So again

1:24:47.560 --> 1:24:49.679
<v Speaker 1>he takes the rest of nineteen seventy eight off after

1:24:49.720 --> 1:24:52.559
<v Speaker 1>that may murder, it looks like, And then it's almost

1:24:52.600 --> 1:24:54.800
<v Speaker 1>a year actually because in April of seventy nine he

1:24:54.880 --> 1:24:58.599
<v Speaker 1>kills Josephine Whittaker, who is a nineteen year old building

1:24:58.640 --> 1:25:00.439
<v Speaker 1>society clerk, which I tried to look it up and

1:25:00.439 --> 1:25:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I think it's it's kind of somebody who works in

1:25:02.000 --> 1:25:05.760
<v Speaker 1>a financial office, and he attacked her as she was

1:25:05.800 --> 1:25:10.120
<v Speaker 1>walking home, and she was not a sex worker, so

1:25:10.160 --> 1:25:12.519
<v Speaker 1>it's like, it's really not fitting them that he hates

1:25:12.560 --> 1:25:13.120
<v Speaker 1>sex workers.

1:25:13.160 --> 1:25:15.240
<v Speaker 3>He just hates women like he wants to murder.

1:25:15.840 --> 1:25:20.280
<v Speaker 1>So it was speculated that because they were monitoring the

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<v Speaker 1>Red light district so heavy in these cities that now

1:25:22.720 --> 1:25:24.400
<v Speaker 1>he was moving out of them and that's why he

1:25:24.479 --> 1:25:26.559
<v Speaker 1>killed this woman because she was just like walking home

1:25:26.600 --> 1:25:28.120
<v Speaker 1>and like he didn't want to get caught in the

1:25:28.160 --> 1:25:33.120
<v Speaker 1>red light district. So they had forensics to work off

1:25:33.160 --> 1:25:35.360
<v Speaker 1>of in this case of Josephine Whitaker. But the police

1:25:35.360 --> 1:25:38.200
<v Speaker 1>got distracted and here's what they got distracted with. They

1:25:38.280 --> 1:25:43.200
<v Speaker 1>received a taped message allegedly from the Yorkshire Ripper that

1:25:43.479 --> 1:25:47.840
<v Speaker 1>was specifically trolling the Assistant Chief Constable George Oldfield in

1:25:47.880 --> 1:25:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the West Yorkshire Police Department who was leading the investigation,

1:25:51.120 --> 1:25:53.800
<v Speaker 1>and the tape is a man going I'm Jack. I

1:25:53.840 --> 1:25:55.760
<v Speaker 1>see you're having no lack catching me. I have the

1:25:55.800 --> 1:25:58.240
<v Speaker 1>greatest respect for you, George, but lord, you're no nearer

1:25:58.240 --> 1:26:00.839
<v Speaker 1>to catching me now than four years ago when I started.

1:26:01.600 --> 1:26:04.680
<v Speaker 1>So based on this message, the police began searching for

1:26:04.720 --> 1:26:07.120
<v Speaker 1>a man with a ware side accent. This man has

1:26:07.120 --> 1:26:10.280
<v Speaker 1>a war side accent, which is another type of place

1:26:10.320 --> 1:26:13.240
<v Speaker 1>in England, and the media are calling him where side Jack.

1:26:13.520 --> 1:26:16.799
<v Speaker 1>This ended up being a total hoax, Okay. This loser

1:26:16.880 --> 1:26:19.759
<v Speaker 1>sent two letters to the police and to the Daily

1:26:19.800 --> 1:26:22.479
<v Speaker 1>Mirror in nineteen seventy eight like bragging about his crimes

1:26:22.520 --> 1:26:25.840
<v Speaker 1>and signing them Jack the Ripper, and then he also

1:26:25.920 --> 1:26:29.240
<v Speaker 1>claimed responsibility for this woman, Joan Harrison, that it turned

1:26:29.240 --> 1:26:32.559
<v Speaker 1>out later was completely another person that did that murder.

1:26:33.000 --> 1:26:35.200
<v Speaker 1>And then in two thousand and five they got him

1:26:35.280 --> 1:26:37.320
<v Speaker 1>because they tested the envelopes from the letters when they

1:26:37.360 --> 1:26:40.360
<v Speaker 1>finally had DNA, they tested these envelopes and tracked them

1:26:40.360 --> 1:26:42.880
<v Speaker 1>to this guy named Samuel John Samuel Humble, who was

1:26:42.880 --> 1:26:46.120
<v Speaker 1>an unemployed alcoholic. He was a charged for attempting to

1:26:46.120 --> 1:26:49.040
<v Speaker 1>pervert the course of justice. He was convicted and sent

1:26:49.080 --> 1:26:52.160
<v Speaker 1>to eight years in prison, and he died in twenty nineteen. Anyway,

1:26:52.360 --> 1:26:54.280
<v Speaker 1>a hoax, but the police got all wrapped up in

1:26:54.280 --> 1:26:55.960
<v Speaker 1>this hoax and it's.

1:26:55.800 --> 1:26:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Like we had victim was telling you it was the

1:26:57.920 --> 1:27:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Yorkshire accent, and it's like on random man calls and

1:27:01.400 --> 1:27:02.880
<v Speaker 2>you throw it all over out.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly September first of nineteen seventy nine, the Ripper murders

1:27:06.280 --> 1:27:09.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty year old Barbara Leach, who is a Bradford University student,

1:27:09.720 --> 1:27:12.479
<v Speaker 1>and this was his sixteenth attack. But this is another

1:27:12.479 --> 1:27:14.519
<v Speaker 1>woman who's not a sex worker. So the public is

1:27:14.560 --> 1:27:17.040
<v Speaker 1>again shocked and they are much more giving a shit

1:27:17.080 --> 1:27:20.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot more so there was like an extensive publicity

1:27:20.360 --> 1:27:23.200
<v Speaker 1>campaign that involved the wearside accent, which we know was

1:27:23.240 --> 1:27:27.920
<v Speaker 1>a false lead. And even in nineteen seventy nine, Sutcliffe

1:27:27.920 --> 1:27:31.920
<v Speaker 1>was interviewed twice, so they keep interviewing him. He keeps

1:27:31.920 --> 1:27:35.280
<v Speaker 1>popping up. Despite several forensic clues and being on the

1:27:35.280 --> 1:27:37.040
<v Speaker 1>list of the three hundred names in connection with the

1:27:37.080 --> 1:27:40.160
<v Speaker 1>five pound note, he was still not a top suspect.

1:27:40.600 --> 1:27:43.320
<v Speaker 1>In April of nineteen eighty, he got arrested for drunk

1:27:43.400 --> 1:27:46.320
<v Speaker 1>driving and while awaiting trial, he killed two more women.

1:27:46.680 --> 1:27:48.799
<v Speaker 1>The first was a forty seven year old named Marguerite

1:27:48.800 --> 1:27:51.719
<v Speaker 1>Walls on August twentieth of nineteen eighty, and the second

1:27:51.760 --> 1:27:54.679
<v Speaker 1>was a twenty year old named Jaqueline Hill, another student

1:27:54.800 --> 1:27:56.080
<v Speaker 1>at the Leeds University.

1:27:56.200 --> 1:27:57.479
<v Speaker 4>In November of nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>In between these two murders, he attacked three other women

1:28:01.439 --> 1:28:05.759
<v Speaker 1>who survived a Padya Bandara in Leeds.

1:28:06.000 --> 1:28:08.519
<v Speaker 3>Maureen Lee known as Mo she's.

1:28:08.360 --> 1:28:11.519
<v Speaker 1>In the documentary talking about her experience, and sixteen year

1:28:11.520 --> 1:28:14.439
<v Speaker 1>old Teresa Sykes were all attacked, but all three of

1:28:14.479 --> 1:28:19.200
<v Speaker 1>these women survived. On November twenty fifth, Trevor Birdsall, who

1:28:19.240 --> 1:28:21.880
<v Speaker 1>is a they say an associate of Suckcliffe. They're not

1:28:21.920 --> 1:28:24.160
<v Speaker 1>calling him a friend. I don't really know how he's

1:28:24.200 --> 1:28:27.320
<v Speaker 1>related to Suckcliffe, but he's the guy who had driven

1:28:27.360 --> 1:28:29.439
<v Speaker 1>the car when he first assaulted the woman with the

1:28:29.520 --> 1:28:32.519
<v Speaker 1>rock in the sock. He was like an unsuspecting getaway driver.

1:28:32.640 --> 1:28:34.240
<v Speaker 1>He didn't know that he had just done this crime

1:28:34.240 --> 1:28:36.640
<v Speaker 1>and he was like, let's go, and he drove the

1:28:36.680 --> 1:28:40.679
<v Speaker 1>car in nineteen In November nineteen eighty, this guy reported

1:28:40.720 --> 1:28:45.719
<v Speaker 1>Peter to the police as a suspect. So two months

1:28:45.800 --> 1:28:48.680
<v Speaker 1>later January or lesson two months later, in January of

1:28:48.720 --> 1:28:50.680
<v Speaker 1>eighty one, he gets stopped by the police. He's got

1:28:50.680 --> 1:28:52.280
<v Speaker 1>a twenty four year old sex worker in the car

1:28:52.320 --> 1:28:55.240
<v Speaker 1>with him named Olivia Ravers, and they find that he's

1:28:55.240 --> 1:28:58.840
<v Speaker 1>got fake plates, so he's arrested. He's questioned in relation

1:28:58.920 --> 1:29:01.720
<v Speaker 1>to the Yorkshire ripper case, as he's matched many of

1:29:01.760 --> 1:29:06.240
<v Speaker 1>the physical characteristics, and the next day the police returned

1:29:06.280 --> 1:29:08.920
<v Speaker 1>to the scene of the arrest. This is wild. They

1:29:09.840 --> 1:29:11.759
<v Speaker 1>returned to the scene of the arrest and they find

1:29:11.800 --> 1:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>a knife, a hammer and a rope that he had

1:29:14.120 --> 1:29:17.360
<v Speaker 1>quickly thrown out when he had slipped away from the police,

1:29:17.360 --> 1:29:19.599
<v Speaker 1>telling them he was quote unquote bursting for a pee.

1:29:20.120 --> 1:29:21.920
<v Speaker 1>So he's getting arrested with the sex worker on the car,

1:29:21.960 --> 1:29:23.280
<v Speaker 1>He's like, can I go to the bathroom really quick

1:29:23.280 --> 1:29:25.160
<v Speaker 1>and go pissed? And he quickly tosses a bunch of

1:29:25.200 --> 1:29:27.360
<v Speaker 1>his murder weapons, so they find them back at the

1:29:27.400 --> 1:29:30.840
<v Speaker 1>original site of the arrest. Then they also found a

1:29:30.960 --> 1:29:34.559
<v Speaker 1>knife in the toilet tank at the police station when

1:29:34.600 --> 1:29:36.679
<v Speaker 1>he was allowed to use the toilet at the police station.

1:29:36.800 --> 1:29:37.920
<v Speaker 3>This guy's hiding his weapons.

1:29:37.960 --> 1:29:39.679
<v Speaker 4>I wonder how they to look in there.

1:29:40.840 --> 1:29:43.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, great question. Maybe they just found the knife.

1:29:43.720 --> 1:29:46.200
<v Speaker 1>They were like it was probably this guy. But the

1:29:46.200 --> 1:29:48.960
<v Speaker 1>police got a search warrant for his home brought his

1:29:49.000 --> 1:29:52.519
<v Speaker 1>wife in for questioning. This is maybe the weirdest thing

1:29:52.560 --> 1:29:55.600
<v Speaker 1>I've ever read about a serial killer. When he was

1:29:55.680 --> 1:29:59.479
<v Speaker 1>stripped down at the jail, he was wearing a V

1:29:59.600 --> 1:30:03.760
<v Speaker 1>neck long sleeve top upside down, so he's wearing it

1:30:03.800 --> 1:30:06.280
<v Speaker 1>with his legs in the sleeves and his dick just

1:30:06.400 --> 1:30:10.160
<v Speaker 1>dangling out through the fucking neck hole. The weirdest thing

1:30:10.200 --> 1:30:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I've ever heard. But supposedly it was so he like,

1:30:12.880 --> 1:30:15.759
<v Speaker 1>you know how some of those big sweaters and stuff

1:30:15.800 --> 1:30:17.760
<v Speaker 1>have like pads on the elbows. I think that he

1:30:17.880 --> 1:30:19.360
<v Speaker 1>was doing it so that the pads would be on

1:30:19.400 --> 1:30:21.160
<v Speaker 1>his knees for when he like knelt down next to

1:30:21.160 --> 1:30:25.559
<v Speaker 1>his victims. That's what they speculated. Just dick hanging out

1:30:25.560 --> 1:30:27.080
<v Speaker 1>of a V neck neck hole.

1:30:27.200 --> 1:30:29.559
<v Speaker 2>You might have to drop listeners. Can you draw a picture?

1:30:29.640 --> 1:30:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Because I'm having a hard time even it's funny.

1:30:31.960 --> 1:30:34.439
<v Speaker 1>Robert Dean actually does a joke about this, about like

1:30:34.479 --> 1:30:36.679
<v Speaker 1>putting a T shirt on upside down and like having

1:30:36.720 --> 1:30:37.800
<v Speaker 1>his stick hanging out.

1:30:37.840 --> 1:30:40.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh nice, it's like putting it up, you know what

1:30:40.160 --> 1:30:40.439
<v Speaker 3>I mean?

1:30:40.880 --> 1:30:44.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like putting your legs into the armholes and what

1:30:44.840 --> 1:30:49.200
<v Speaker 1>a free I mean, Well, what's going on? So after

1:30:49.400 --> 1:30:53.000
<v Speaker 1>two days of intensive questioning, Sutcliffe just suddenly confessed that

1:30:53.040 --> 1:30:55.879
<v Speaker 1>he's the ripper. Like over the next day, he calmly

1:30:55.920 --> 1:30:58.519
<v Speaker 1>describes all of his attacks in detail.

1:30:58.560 --> 1:30:59.439
<v Speaker 3>He knows everything.

1:30:59.479 --> 1:31:01.320
<v Speaker 1>He knows how he did it, where he left them,

1:31:01.400 --> 1:31:04.160
<v Speaker 1>what their names are like, he knows everything, every detail.

1:31:04.520 --> 1:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>And he claimed that God had told him to murder

1:31:07.360 --> 1:31:10.280
<v Speaker 1>the women. And he says, quote, the women I killed

1:31:10.320 --> 1:31:13.400
<v Speaker 1>were filth bastard prostitutes who were littering the streets. I

1:31:13.439 --> 1:31:15.880
<v Speaker 1>was just cleaning up the place A bit, but it's like,

1:31:16.200 --> 1:31:18.400
<v Speaker 1>you killed plenty of people that were not sex workers.

1:31:18.680 --> 1:31:21.040
<v Speaker 1>He did deny that he killed Joan Harrison, who the

1:31:21.080 --> 1:31:24.040
<v Speaker 1>hoax guy had taken credit for, and DNA actually linked

1:31:24.080 --> 1:31:27.160
<v Speaker 1>that to another guy. So everyone was obsessed with this

1:31:27.240 --> 1:31:29.439
<v Speaker 1>man when they caught him. They're obsessed with his life story,

1:31:29.479 --> 1:31:33.280
<v Speaker 1>what caused this, what happened. His parents are clueless, like

1:31:33.320 --> 1:31:35.720
<v Speaker 1>he could have done Like they could not believe he

1:31:35.720 --> 1:31:37.360
<v Speaker 1>could have done something like this. They said, he's the

1:31:37.400 --> 1:31:39.640
<v Speaker 1>last person you would suspect. They said he was a

1:31:39.720 --> 1:31:42.240
<v Speaker 1>kind and timid child, and they were kind back to him.

1:31:42.680 --> 1:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>He grew up in a world. But then in the

1:31:45.040 --> 1:31:47.520
<v Speaker 1>third episode, you really get a lot of great perspective

1:31:47.520 --> 1:31:49.360
<v Speaker 1>from the women that were working on this case, like

1:31:49.400 --> 1:31:52.639
<v Speaker 1>female journalists, and it's like, really really interesting, I really

1:31:53.000 --> 1:31:57.439
<v Speaker 1>like recommend this four part series on Netflix. And she's like, no,

1:31:57.760 --> 1:31:59.760
<v Speaker 1>it's very easy to see how this happened. He grew

1:31:59.840 --> 1:32:02.040
<v Speaker 1>up in a world where contempt and dislike of women

1:32:02.080 --> 1:32:05.639
<v Speaker 1>were commonplace. His dad beat his mom and people would

1:32:05.680 --> 1:32:07.600
<v Speaker 1>call him a mama's boy in a sissy So he

1:32:07.640 --> 1:32:11.400
<v Speaker 1>connected everything about women and femininity with weakness. So then

1:32:11.479 --> 1:32:13.720
<v Speaker 1>as a man, he switches over to violence as his

1:32:13.800 --> 1:32:17.679
<v Speaker 1>way to prove that he's a man. So at his trial,

1:32:17.760 --> 1:32:20.400
<v Speaker 1>he pleaded not guilty to thirteen charges of murder, but

1:32:20.520 --> 1:32:23.639
<v Speaker 1>guilty to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility, which

1:32:23.720 --> 1:32:27.840
<v Speaker 1>is essentially a mental disease or defect defense here in

1:32:27.880 --> 1:32:30.200
<v Speaker 1>the US. And the basis of his defense was that

1:32:30.240 --> 1:32:33.000
<v Speaker 1>he claimed to be the tool of God's will and

1:32:34.000 --> 1:32:35.960
<v Speaker 1>he said he heard voices that ordered him to kill

1:32:35.960 --> 1:32:39.040
<v Speaker 1>prostitutes while working as a grave digger, and he pleaded

1:32:39.040 --> 1:32:42.000
<v Speaker 1>guilty to the seven charges of attempt at murder. The

1:32:42.080 --> 1:32:47.719
<v Speaker 1>prosecution planned to accept his plea after four psychiatrists diagnosed

1:32:47.760 --> 1:32:52.320
<v Speaker 1>him with paranoid schizophrenia. The judge, Justice Sir Leslie Borum,

1:32:52.600 --> 1:32:55.760
<v Speaker 1>wanted a full explanation of why they were entering this

1:32:55.840 --> 1:32:58.360
<v Speaker 1>plea and why he should accept this plea, and after

1:32:58.400 --> 1:33:01.639
<v Speaker 1>a long conference with the prosecutors, he rejected the diminished

1:33:01.680 --> 1:33:05.200
<v Speaker 1>responsibility play an expert and all the expert testimonies of

1:33:05.200 --> 1:33:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the psychiatrists. So he was just like, I don't care.

1:33:07.080 --> 1:33:09.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm throwing it out. I think it's wrong, and he

1:33:09.320 --> 1:33:11.400
<v Speaker 1>insisted that the case be dealt with by a jury,

1:33:11.640 --> 1:33:13.479
<v Speaker 1>so the trial was set for May fifth, of nineteen

1:33:13.560 --> 1:33:16.920
<v Speaker 1>eighty one. It lasted two weeks, and despite his efforts

1:33:17.560 --> 1:33:19.479
<v Speaker 1>the efforts of his lawyer, he was found guilty of

1:33:19.560 --> 1:33:22.679
<v Speaker 1>murder on all accounts and was sentenced to twenty concurrent

1:33:22.760 --> 1:33:26.360
<v Speaker 1>sentences of life imprisonment. The jury rejected the evidence of

1:33:26.400 --> 1:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the four psychiatrists that Sutcliffe had paranoid schizophrenia, and they

1:33:30.080 --> 1:33:32.720
<v Speaker 1>also heard testimony from a prison guard who said he

1:33:32.720 --> 1:33:35.559
<v Speaker 1>heard Sutcliffe tell his wife that if he convinced people

1:33:35.560 --> 1:33:38.759
<v Speaker 1>he was crazy, he would get ten years quote unquote

1:33:38.760 --> 1:33:42.559
<v Speaker 1>in a looney bin. So that probably is what convinced them.

1:33:42.600 --> 1:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>They thought he was faking being crazy. Don't give a shit,

1:33:45.479 --> 1:33:47.720
<v Speaker 1>give him life. I would be pissed if they let

1:33:47.840 --> 1:33:52.519
<v Speaker 1>him plea for attempted Well, yeah, so, the judge said,

1:33:52.560 --> 1:33:56.200
<v Speaker 1>he also confessed. Yeah, but it's whether he recall. It's

1:33:56.240 --> 1:33:58.559
<v Speaker 1>whether he goes to a mental facility. He'd still be

1:33:58.600 --> 1:34:01.240
<v Speaker 1>away for life, but it would be meant facility versus prison.

1:34:01.320 --> 1:34:02.439
<v Speaker 4>Oh, go to jail. Bang.

1:34:03.000 --> 1:34:06.000
<v Speaker 1>So the judge said Sutcliffe was beyond redemption and never

1:34:06.040 --> 1:34:08.080
<v Speaker 1>wanted him to get out of prison, and he recommends

1:34:08.080 --> 1:34:10.120
<v Speaker 1>it a minimum term of thirty years be served before

1:34:10.120 --> 1:34:14.519
<v Speaker 1>parole could even be considered, and in twenty ten the

1:34:14.600 --> 1:34:17.200
<v Speaker 1>High Court issued him with a whole life tariff, which

1:34:17.240 --> 1:34:20.240
<v Speaker 1>means he's never to be released. After his trial, Sutcliffe

1:34:20.240 --> 1:34:22.680
<v Speaker 1>admitted to two other attacks, but the prosecution was just like,

1:34:22.720 --> 1:34:24.880
<v Speaker 1>it's not really in the public interest and the victims

1:34:24.920 --> 1:34:27.160
<v Speaker 1>wanted to remain anonymous, so they didn't like prosecute that

1:34:27.200 --> 1:34:31.639
<v Speaker 1>at all. Interesting little fact. In twenty fifteen, authors Chris

1:34:31.680 --> 1:34:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Clark and Tim Tait wrote a book called Yorkshire Ripper

1:34:34.800 --> 1:34:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Colin the Secret Murders, where they linked Sutcliffe to at

1:34:37.840 --> 1:34:40.400
<v Speaker 1>least twenty two more murders than the thirteen he was

1:34:40.439 --> 1:34:41.040
<v Speaker 1>convicted of.

1:34:41.560 --> 1:34:43.400
<v Speaker 3>So who knows if that's I.

1:34:43.320 --> 1:34:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Mean, I think you would kill again if he was released,

1:34:45.360 --> 1:34:47.559
<v Speaker 1>absolutely so, yeah, absolutely so.

1:34:47.720 --> 1:34:50.000
<v Speaker 3>The police got majorly dragged for this case.

1:34:50.040 --> 1:34:52.759
<v Speaker 1>It was one of the biggest investigations in British history

1:34:52.840 --> 1:34:55.680
<v Speaker 1>and it was before DNA and computers. It was one

1:34:55.760 --> 1:34:59.080
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty cops, eleven thousand interviews, like so many

1:34:59.080 --> 1:35:01.519
<v Speaker 1>people were involved in this case, and the cops were

1:35:01.520 --> 1:35:04.240
<v Speaker 1>honestly just fucking things up left and right. So one

1:35:04.280 --> 1:35:06.719
<v Speaker 1>of the big things was it was such a huge case.

1:35:06.840 --> 1:35:10.280
<v Speaker 1>No computers, everything was manual everything, all the evidence, all

1:35:10.360 --> 1:35:12.840
<v Speaker 1>the interviews, everything was written on note cards. And it

1:35:12.880 --> 1:35:15.280
<v Speaker 1>was this massive system with such a huge case in

1:35:15.320 --> 1:35:18.479
<v Speaker 1>so many interviews that like it was just really hard

1:35:18.520 --> 1:35:21.679
<v Speaker 1>to connect things on a bunch of fucking loose note cards.

1:35:22.160 --> 1:35:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Sutcliffe was interviewed nine times over the course of the

1:35:25.600 --> 1:35:28.479
<v Speaker 1>investigation before they found out that it was him, like

1:35:28.600 --> 1:35:30.400
<v Speaker 1>nine times. Every time he must have been like, this

1:35:30.479 --> 1:35:32.120
<v Speaker 1>is it and he just got away with it, kept

1:35:32.120 --> 1:35:34.840
<v Speaker 1>getting away with it, and the guy who turned him

1:35:34.880 --> 1:35:36.479
<v Speaker 1>in finally what was do you know?

1:35:36.520 --> 1:35:38.640
<v Speaker 3>The spot? Like what made him finally be like I.

1:35:38.640 --> 1:35:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Wonder if he told him something or he saw something

1:35:41.240 --> 1:35:43.720
<v Speaker 1>weird at his house or something like the hammer, Like,

1:35:43.760 --> 1:35:47.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who knows, who knows. But during one

1:35:47.320 --> 1:35:50.280
<v Speaker 1>of his interviews, officers showed him a picture of the

1:35:50.360 --> 1:35:54.280
<v Speaker 1>ripper's bootprint near the body, and the officer failed to

1:35:54.320 --> 1:35:57.320
<v Speaker 1>notice that he was wearing the exact boots in question

1:35:57.680 --> 1:36:01.439
<v Speaker 1>at the time of the interview. Is not so, s

1:36:01.520 --> 1:36:04.680
<v Speaker 1>you even he was surprised it took so long to

1:36:04.720 --> 1:36:06.759
<v Speaker 1>catch him, he says, quote, it was just a miracle

1:36:06.760 --> 1:36:09.000
<v Speaker 1>they didn't apprehend me earlier. They had all the facts

1:36:09.800 --> 1:36:14.040
<v Speaker 1>so wild and he's trolling the cops. So in the

1:36:14.080 --> 1:36:16.599
<v Speaker 1>third episode of this show, The Ripper, you really start

1:36:16.640 --> 1:36:18.960
<v Speaker 1>to see how women were fighting back against like the

1:36:19.000 --> 1:36:22.559
<v Speaker 1>misogyny of the time, not only just like what was

1:36:22.600 --> 1:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>happening in the press talking about sex workers and stuff,

1:36:26.840 --> 1:36:29.880
<v Speaker 1>but just the way that people were using the Ripper

1:36:30.080 --> 1:36:32.639
<v Speaker 1>as like a way to like suppress women and keep

1:36:32.680 --> 1:36:37.320
<v Speaker 1>them like scared and pliable. Like men would be like, oh,

1:36:37.320 --> 1:36:38.360
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to go home with me? What do

1:36:38.360 --> 1:36:39.920
<v Speaker 1>you think I'm the ripper? And it was just like

1:36:39.920 --> 1:36:42.000
<v Speaker 1>a way to keep women like terrified all the time,

1:36:42.040 --> 1:36:44.160
<v Speaker 1>and women were like, fuck this, We're fighting back. It's

1:36:44.200 --> 1:36:48.640
<v Speaker 1>like the late seventies, you know, like feminism is well underway,

1:36:48.680 --> 1:36:50.840
<v Speaker 1>and women were just like, we're not doing this. And

1:36:51.040 --> 1:36:54.040
<v Speaker 1>so many female journalists did a lot of legwork and

1:36:54.760 --> 1:36:57.400
<v Speaker 1>realized that like it might have been a forced narrative

1:36:57.400 --> 1:37:00.439
<v Speaker 1>about the sex workers they and that they kind of

1:37:00.479 --> 1:37:02.439
<v Speaker 1>realized that this might be a forced narrative from the

1:37:02.439 --> 1:37:04.920
<v Speaker 1>cops about the sex workers, Like why didn't they connect

1:37:04.960 --> 1:37:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the first three attacks to the murder Those women had

1:37:07.040 --> 1:37:10.800
<v Speaker 1>information they had all survived, and like the accent thing

1:37:10.800 --> 1:37:13.760
<v Speaker 1>which was crazy was that the police also kept saying

1:37:13.760 --> 1:37:15.960
<v Speaker 1>he had a Jeordy accent. There was another time before

1:37:16.000 --> 1:37:19.240
<v Speaker 1>the Wearside accent accent to Buckle where they told them,

1:37:19.439 --> 1:37:21.920
<v Speaker 1>if this person doesn't have a Jordy accent, forget him.

1:37:22.360 --> 1:37:26.160
<v Speaker 1>So tons of suspects were just like getting dis like

1:37:26.920 --> 1:37:29.960
<v Speaker 1>getting excluded because of an accent that is not the

1:37:30.000 --> 1:37:33.120
<v Speaker 1>accent that this guy even fucking had. They also ignored

1:37:33.240 --> 1:37:35.840
<v Speaker 1>a very accurate description that I said Marcella Claxton.

1:37:36.320 --> 1:37:38.240
<v Speaker 2>I do want to say, my friend Alex in the

1:37:38.320 --> 1:37:40.360
<v Speaker 2>UK's she has a Jeordy accent.

1:37:40.520 --> 1:37:41.200
<v Speaker 3>Oh she does.

1:37:41.280 --> 1:37:42.160
<v Speaker 4>They're really fun.

1:37:42.360 --> 1:37:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's a Jeordie and so I know they have

1:37:45.120 --> 1:37:49.799
<v Speaker 2>Jordi Shore. So I've known her now since like twenty twelve,

1:37:49.880 --> 1:37:53.400
<v Speaker 2>let's say, and there are times where we'll be talking

1:37:53.439 --> 1:37:54.800
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, you don't know what I'm saying? Do

1:37:54.840 --> 1:37:58.439
<v Speaker 2>you like it is a wild accent. I've gotten to

1:37:58.520 --> 1:38:00.320
<v Speaker 2>know this person. They'll send me voice so we can

1:38:00.360 --> 1:38:04.400
<v Speaker 2>listen to one on the card and it's like it's whack, Yeah,

1:38:04.920 --> 1:38:05.879
<v Speaker 2>so really whacky.

1:38:05.920 --> 1:38:07.880
<v Speaker 4>I love that. I hope she comes to LA soon.

1:38:08.439 --> 1:38:11.120
<v Speaker 1>So basically, remember how I told you that Marcella Claxton

1:38:11.240 --> 1:38:13.519
<v Speaker 1>had a great description of him. They just didn't think

1:38:13.560 --> 1:38:15.320
<v Speaker 1>she was one of his victims because she wasn't a

1:38:15.320 --> 1:38:18.479
<v Speaker 1>sex worker. So there's a full description of the criminal

1:38:18.640 --> 1:38:20.880
<v Speaker 1>that you could have been using putting on posters and shit,

1:38:20.960 --> 1:38:22.760
<v Speaker 1>but you just didn't connect it because it didn't fit

1:38:22.760 --> 1:38:24.280
<v Speaker 1>your narrative that you're pushing about.

1:38:24.040 --> 1:38:24.839
<v Speaker 3>The sex workers.

1:38:25.560 --> 1:38:27.800
<v Speaker 1>So the end of Sutcliffe's life is that he went

1:38:27.800 --> 1:38:31.360
<v Speaker 1>to prison in May of eighty one. He was he

1:38:31.439 --> 1:38:34.559
<v Speaker 1>was attacked pretty brutally, like two or three times in

1:38:34.560 --> 1:38:38.400
<v Speaker 1>prison by other inmates, and then he was eventually an

1:38:38.439 --> 1:38:40.920
<v Speaker 1>eighty four sent to Broadmoor Hospital, which is a well

1:38:40.960 --> 1:38:44.800
<v Speaker 1>known mental hospital in the UK, and that was under

1:38:45.360 --> 1:38:47.320
<v Speaker 1>the Mental Health Act of nineteen eighty three, so I

1:38:47.320 --> 1:38:50.679
<v Speaker 1>guess they finally acknowledged that he had mental health issues.

1:38:50.880 --> 1:38:52.320
<v Speaker 3>And then he was attacked at least.

1:38:52.160 --> 1:38:55.639
<v Speaker 1>Three times there by other inmates, and he died from COVID. Honestly,

1:38:55.680 --> 1:38:57.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean it might have been from something else, but

1:38:57.200 --> 1:38:58.760
<v Speaker 1>he went to the hospital with COVID. He had a

1:38:58.760 --> 1:39:01.439
<v Speaker 1>ton of underlying health problems and he did die in

1:39:01.479 --> 1:39:02.519
<v Speaker 1>November of twenty twenty.

1:39:02.680 --> 1:39:04.160
<v Speaker 4>So that is that.

1:39:04.320 --> 1:39:09.400
<v Speaker 1>On the Yorkshire Ripper, not exactly dropping prey prayer cards,

1:39:09.439 --> 1:39:12.040
<v Speaker 1>but he was saying God was telling him to do it,

1:39:12.200 --> 1:39:16.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, a feeding moment. Yeah, yeah, I just can't

1:39:16.880 --> 1:39:17.719
<v Speaker 1>believe I didn't.

1:39:17.960 --> 1:39:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I just oh, Jack three. I thought it was like interchange.

1:39:20.200 --> 1:39:23.599
<v Speaker 2>I also thought this was old timycause Jack the Rippers. Yeah, yeah,

1:39:23.680 --> 1:39:25.560
<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize this was the seventies.

1:39:25.840 --> 1:39:26.000
<v Speaker 4>Oh.

1:39:26.040 --> 1:39:30.000
<v Speaker 1>The UK in England loves to talk about rippers. They

1:39:30.040 --> 1:39:32.280
<v Speaker 1>have so many rippers. There's like all different rippers. I

1:39:32.280 --> 1:39:34.240
<v Speaker 1>think it's because Jack the Ripper and they all just

1:39:34.320 --> 1:39:37.040
<v Speaker 1>like call them. I think anyone that does like slashing

1:39:37.080 --> 1:39:39.920
<v Speaker 1>with a knife as a ripper. But yeah, it's a

1:39:40.080 --> 1:39:42.479
<v Speaker 1>it's I really recommend this. I have other sources that

1:39:42.520 --> 1:39:44.559
<v Speaker 1>I used to about, Like I watched this Netflix thing

1:39:44.560 --> 1:39:48.320
<v Speaker 1>all four episodes, and it's really really four hours well

1:39:48.360 --> 1:39:52.880
<v Speaker 1>spent if you're into true crime, of course. But we've

1:39:52.920 --> 1:39:56.280
<v Speaker 1>got a really fun interview coming up with you guys, so.

1:39:56.720 --> 1:39:58.200
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, you'll be excited.

1:39:58.360 --> 1:40:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Don't go anywhere, okay, guys. Today's guest has dabbled in

1:40:10.680 --> 1:40:13.519
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of everything. He is a comedian, an actor,

1:40:13.560 --> 1:40:19.439
<v Speaker 1>a podcaster, a sketch comedy legend in New York. You

1:40:19.479 --> 1:40:22.080
<v Speaker 1>may remember him as Sea Otter from Wolf of Wall Street.

1:40:22.120 --> 1:40:24.240
<v Speaker 1>Or you've seen him on Adult Swims, Your Pretty Faces

1:40:24.320 --> 1:40:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Going to Hell, or HBO's Crashing. He's also one of

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<v Speaker 1>the hosts of the podcast The Last Podcast on the

1:40:29.880 --> 1:40:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Left and one of the owners of The Last Podcast

1:40:32.760 --> 1:40:37.639
<v Speaker 1>podcast Network, but you know him as Little Stone or Mark.

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<v Speaker 1>In today's episode, guys, please check out our convo with

1:40:41.360 --> 1:40:46.559
<v Speaker 1>the hilarious Henry Zabrowski. Henry Zabrowski, We're so excited to

1:40:46.600 --> 1:40:50.880
<v Speaker 1>be talking to you a podcast hand me meeting you, yeah,

1:40:50.920 --> 1:40:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and Lisa meeting you for the first time. I hear

1:40:53.000 --> 1:40:57.880
<v Speaker 1>great things about you, and now our listeners request you

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<v Speaker 1>all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry they want you. No, No, this is great.

1:41:01.720 --> 1:41:02.800
<v Speaker 4>It's good to be here.

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<v Speaker 5>Honestly, it's kind of funny. This is one of those experiences.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if I've ever really, like quote unquote

1:41:08.800 --> 1:41:12.600
<v Speaker 5>officially have spoken about it. I don't know who cares.

1:41:12.840 --> 1:41:14.760
<v Speaker 5>Who cares when you're like it was like, well, yeah,

1:41:15.000 --> 1:41:17.280
<v Speaker 5>I know now people can yeah, you guys care. But

1:41:17.320 --> 1:41:20.000
<v Speaker 5>it was definitely it was like my second acting gig.

1:41:21.240 --> 1:41:23.679
<v Speaker 1>I know. It's like you you are booked and blast.

1:41:23.760 --> 1:41:25.639
<v Speaker 1>You have a lot of credits on IMDb. You gotta

1:41:25.720 --> 1:41:28.519
<v Speaker 1>scroll all the way down and you see Henry Well,

1:41:28.680 --> 1:41:29.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, I remember they.

1:41:29.840 --> 1:41:33.320
<v Speaker 5>Read they read conned a lot of the web videos

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<v Speaker 5>back in the day to be IMDb credits, which really

1:41:35.880 --> 1:41:39.120
<v Speaker 5>does help pump the numbers. And that's just thankful to

1:41:39.200 --> 1:41:42.320
<v Speaker 5>the web comics boom. Do you remember when when sketch

1:41:42.400 --> 1:41:43.879
<v Speaker 5>comedy used to be lucrative?

1:41:43.960 --> 1:41:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I'm in tons of random sketches that are

1:41:47.240 --> 1:41:49.799
<v Speaker 1>listed on IMDb, like for college humor and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, good, go go off. That's a short. That's

1:41:52.400 --> 1:41:52.719
<v Speaker 3>a short.

1:41:52.840 --> 1:41:56.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, definitely, sure, definitely TV pilot, Sure, yeah, take it.

1:41:57.520 --> 1:42:00.639
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, it's it's cool because this was one of those.

1:42:00.520 --> 1:42:02.720
<v Speaker 5>I remember at the time period when I was this

1:42:02.920 --> 1:42:05.120
<v Speaker 5>was like very it was like, you know, all the

1:42:05.160 --> 1:42:09.439
<v Speaker 5>New York actors, everyone was going in for SVU. I

1:42:09.439 --> 1:42:14.200
<v Speaker 5>had interviewed twice to play a pedophile and I had

1:42:14.479 --> 1:42:16.400
<v Speaker 5>just didn't I didn't get over the hump.

1:42:17.880 --> 1:42:20.040
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what it was. Maybeth it.

1:42:20.560 --> 1:42:22.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's something about you. You're a little bit too happy,

1:42:23.000 --> 1:42:24.680
<v Speaker 3>go lucky. I think I.

1:42:25.400 --> 1:42:27.600
<v Speaker 5>Was much bigger at the time, and maybe I just

1:42:27.760 --> 1:42:31.759
<v Speaker 5>was like just straight up Gabriella Glesi's trademark too fluffy

1:42:32.360 --> 1:42:34.519
<v Speaker 5>to be a pedophile at the time, like I was

1:42:34.520 --> 1:42:39.040
<v Speaker 5>too cuddly, but I I remember. It's one of those

1:42:39.160 --> 1:42:43.680
<v Speaker 5>days where I remember the I remember the audition, I

1:42:43.720 --> 1:42:46.240
<v Speaker 5>remember getting it. It was just like a quick little thing.

1:42:46.439 --> 1:42:48.960
<v Speaker 5>It happened really fast. I got it the next day.

1:42:49.000 --> 1:42:50.520
<v Speaker 5>But what do you guys have questions?

1:42:50.720 --> 1:42:52.519
<v Speaker 4>What are like? What do you how what is the

1:42:52.600 --> 1:42:56.000
<v Speaker 4>format of this show? Well, this is actually perfect.

1:42:56.080 --> 1:42:58.799
<v Speaker 2>So you got the sides, you went to Chelsea Piers

1:42:58.840 --> 1:43:01.320
<v Speaker 2>and the next day they're like, you got you got it,

1:43:01.479 --> 1:43:03.479
<v Speaker 2>congrats did you jump up and down?

1:43:03.560 --> 1:43:06.519
<v Speaker 5>Well at the time too, I don't know if if

1:43:06.520 --> 1:43:09.320
<v Speaker 5>everyone was aware, but this was maybe one of the

1:43:09.360 --> 1:43:12.760
<v Speaker 5>big one of the first big tragedies our generation got

1:43:12.760 --> 1:43:15.360
<v Speaker 5>after nine to eleven was that we got the recession right.

1:43:15.800 --> 1:43:18.559
<v Speaker 5>So at the time period, I had lost my job.

1:43:18.760 --> 1:43:21.559
<v Speaker 5>You know, I lost my job and I was struggling deep.

1:43:21.600 --> 1:43:23.439
<v Speaker 5>And this is back when you could really ride on

1:43:23.560 --> 1:43:27.400
<v Speaker 5>employment for a long time, and I was I needed

1:43:27.439 --> 1:43:28.120
<v Speaker 5>this job.

1:43:28.240 --> 1:43:28.960
<v Speaker 4>So that was the thing.

1:43:29.000 --> 1:43:32.599
<v Speaker 5>I was very thankful, but mostly it was just like,

1:43:33.400 --> 1:43:34.879
<v Speaker 5>I won't have.

1:43:34.800 --> 1:43:38.080
<v Speaker 4>To go home. I don't want to go home.

1:43:37.920 --> 1:43:40.400
<v Speaker 5>Because I wasn't I was going to die there if

1:43:40.439 --> 1:43:41.360
<v Speaker 5>I moved back to Florida.

1:43:41.600 --> 1:43:43.519
<v Speaker 3>How have the residuals been speaking?

1:43:43.600 --> 1:43:47.280
<v Speaker 5>Still still coming. It's one of the best. It's that

1:43:47.880 --> 1:43:50.320
<v Speaker 5>I actually just got. It's that in Blue Bloods because

1:43:50.320 --> 1:43:53.639
<v Speaker 5>I did a full guest spot on Blue Bloods. Still pays.

1:43:53.800 --> 1:43:56.960
<v Speaker 5>I still get like it's a sack of weed every

1:43:57.000 --> 1:43:57.639
<v Speaker 5>three months.

1:43:57.720 --> 1:43:58.639
<v Speaker 4>It's like sixty bars.

1:43:58.800 --> 1:44:03.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean for me, that's not that's free money.

1:44:03.120 --> 1:44:06.480
<v Speaker 5>Well technically it's like me eating alone on Postmates.

1:44:06.640 --> 1:44:06.880
<v Speaker 4>Yes.

1:44:07.600 --> 1:44:10.639
<v Speaker 1>No, I have the same thing where I took a shot.

1:44:10.800 --> 1:44:12.920
<v Speaker 1>I was nine months pregnant and I did this thing

1:44:12.960 --> 1:44:15.360
<v Speaker 1>on Laughing where I was like, supposed to take a shot.

1:44:15.800 --> 1:44:17.920
<v Speaker 1>I took a shot and it was like the joke

1:44:18.000 --> 1:44:20.200
<v Speaker 1>is that I'm pregnant, I said one line. And I

1:44:20.240 --> 1:44:22.479
<v Speaker 1>get seventy five dollars every three months, and I'm like, well,

1:44:22.520 --> 1:44:23.200
<v Speaker 1>there's a dinner.

1:44:23.560 --> 1:44:26.000
<v Speaker 4>You know. I love it. It means something. But you know,

1:44:26.120 --> 1:44:27.679
<v Speaker 4>they don't do it like that anymore.

1:44:28.080 --> 1:44:30.880
<v Speaker 5>They don't pay out those residuals anymore because now anything

1:44:30.880 --> 1:44:33.280
<v Speaker 5>you do they just bake it in. They're like, don't

1:44:33.320 --> 1:44:36.080
<v Speaker 5>you remember when we paid you generously upfront? And it's like,

1:44:36.920 --> 1:44:40.720
<v Speaker 5>actually I don't though, but no, at the time it's

1:44:40.800 --> 1:44:42.600
<v Speaker 5>nice to have the reminder that it's there. And it

1:44:42.680 --> 1:44:45.600
<v Speaker 5>is strange because that's strange. It just got such a

1:44:45.600 --> 1:44:48.280
<v Speaker 5>hardcore fan base that this shit comes up again and

1:44:48.320 --> 1:44:51.160
<v Speaker 5>again and again, and people play the episode a lot.

1:44:51.479 --> 1:44:51.839
<v Speaker 4>Anything.

1:44:51.880 --> 1:44:56.240
<v Speaker 5>I had a lot to do with that was Misha Barton,

1:44:56.880 --> 1:45:02.640
<v Speaker 5>not at peak but after after Pete, right, so she

1:45:02.720 --> 1:45:03.559
<v Speaker 5>was getting a lot of eyes.

1:45:03.720 --> 1:45:05.840
<v Speaker 4>I was working with her.

1:45:06.080 --> 1:45:08.080
<v Speaker 2>You know, we don't see you guys in the same room,

1:45:08.120 --> 1:45:10.400
<v Speaker 2>but I'm sure you guys may be across paths.

1:45:10.439 --> 1:45:11.840
<v Speaker 3>Any Misha Barton's skill, she.

1:45:11.840 --> 1:45:12.960
<v Speaker 4>Did not regard me.

1:45:14.240 --> 1:45:20.360
<v Speaker 5>Okay, she was there and I was there, and she

1:45:20.640 --> 1:45:23.720
<v Speaker 5>was just like because it's also the nature of the part, right,

1:45:23.920 --> 1:45:26.439
<v Speaker 5>I'll even break down. I just think it's so funny

1:45:26.680 --> 1:45:29.519
<v Speaker 5>because this was also in a previous true crime world

1:45:30.000 --> 1:45:34.520
<v Speaker 5>where they viewed weed as this as like the devils

1:45:34.680 --> 1:45:37.120
<v Speaker 5>the devil and it's just.

1:45:37.120 --> 1:45:40.400
<v Speaker 4>Like guys have bongs. Oh oh no, but like.

1:45:40.640 --> 1:45:43.080
<v Speaker 5>The concept of the bit, maybe i'll I'll just break

1:45:43.080 --> 1:45:43.400
<v Speaker 5>it down.

1:45:43.439 --> 1:45:45.240
<v Speaker 4>So the bit is is that.

1:45:45.160 --> 1:45:49.080
<v Speaker 5>Misha Barton is a struggling young woman who's pregnant that

1:45:49.120 --> 1:45:51.840
<v Speaker 5>becomes a sex worker, and this is all about kind

1:45:51.840 --> 1:45:56.040
<v Speaker 5>of her her journey right, and somewhere in this world

1:45:56.120 --> 1:45:59.160
<v Speaker 5>they believe the two young college men that what they'd

1:45:59.320 --> 1:46:02.639
<v Speaker 5>like to do is they rip bongs and then they

1:46:02.680 --> 1:46:04.240
<v Speaker 5>talk to each other and say, hey, what do you

1:46:04.240 --> 1:46:07.920
<v Speaker 5>want to do this afternoon? Why don't we tag team

1:46:08.080 --> 1:46:11.800
<v Speaker 5>a sex worker together? Like that is the single. Just

1:46:11.800 --> 1:46:15.040
<v Speaker 5>the idea of using the phone, like cause, like you, hady,

1:46:15.120 --> 1:46:19.840
<v Speaker 5>this is craigslist, like a casual encounters time period. There

1:46:19.880 --> 1:46:23.040
<v Speaker 5>was no backpage, there was no brothel. We were going

1:46:23.040 --> 1:46:25.639
<v Speaker 5>to red light district. Like just the idea of the

1:46:25.720 --> 1:46:30.360
<v Speaker 5>bravery would take to even send the email say yeah, sure,

1:46:30.479 --> 1:46:32.920
<v Speaker 5>come over and put your address on it. When I

1:46:33.080 --> 1:46:36.120
<v Speaker 5>was high, like back in the day, especially the original high,

1:46:36.200 --> 1:46:39.240
<v Speaker 5>like college high, I thought that the pizza delivery man

1:46:39.280 --> 1:46:43.960
<v Speaker 5>would call the cops. Like I'm not we're not doing

1:46:44.040 --> 1:46:46.880
<v Speaker 5>this together. We're not having me and my buddy aren't

1:46:46.920 --> 1:46:48.040
<v Speaker 5>high five in each other.

1:46:48.160 --> 1:46:51.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, that's so fucking true.

1:46:51.400 --> 1:46:52.679
<v Speaker 4>Yes, that's so true.

1:46:52.720 --> 1:46:54.880
<v Speaker 1>It's like I didn't even think it would more likely

1:46:54.920 --> 1:46:57.439
<v Speaker 1>be bros that were doing that kind of thing than

1:46:57.520 --> 1:46:59.360
<v Speaker 1>like stoner dumbasses.

1:46:59.640 --> 1:47:03.280
<v Speaker 5>It's just with yeah, cocaine, cocaine, Yeah yeah, but guys,

1:47:03.560 --> 1:47:08.080
<v Speaker 5>cocaine hurts the penis too sure, It's just it's one

1:47:08.080 --> 1:47:09.960
<v Speaker 5>of those where, like most of you just sit in silence.

1:47:09.960 --> 1:47:11.679
<v Speaker 5>But it was really funny. But I think the nature

1:47:11.720 --> 1:47:13.040
<v Speaker 5>of it. So then it was the idea that we

1:47:13.120 --> 1:47:17.080
<v Speaker 5>tag teamed. We both had sex with Misha Barton, who

1:47:17.160 --> 1:47:19.200
<v Speaker 5>was a pregnant sex worker, and then she almost had

1:47:19.520 --> 1:47:20.240
<v Speaker 5>a miscaracter.

1:47:20.280 --> 1:47:22.880
<v Speaker 1>And then not only that, but you thought she left,

1:47:23.280 --> 1:47:26.520
<v Speaker 1>but you didn't just still packed up, passed.

1:47:26.200 --> 1:47:27.880
<v Speaker 3>Out in your bed with her water broken.

1:47:28.000 --> 1:47:33.760
<v Speaker 4>Here's a pregnant woman in your apartment. Okay, it's not

1:47:34.720 --> 1:47:35.320
<v Speaker 4>It's just.

1:47:35.240 --> 1:47:39.040
<v Speaker 5>Not gonna happen like this, but you know, in the end,

1:47:39.479 --> 1:47:42.679
<v Speaker 5>it has one of my favorite lines from Christopher Maloney

1:47:43.120 --> 1:47:44.040
<v Speaker 5>that I do love it.

1:47:44.080 --> 1:47:46.200
<v Speaker 4>We're being like, He's like, Sue, what do you guys?

1:47:46.439 --> 1:47:47.840
<v Speaker 4>So what do you guys up to today? And it's

1:47:47.880 --> 1:47:54.439
<v Speaker 4>like just studying and just yeah, for your degree in stupidity. Yes, yes,

1:47:54.840 --> 1:47:55.639
<v Speaker 4>nailed us.

1:47:56.400 --> 1:47:59.479
<v Speaker 2>But as Henry the actor, do you think these are

1:47:59.520 --> 1:48:03.040
<v Speaker 2>just bumble stoners or bad bad boys?

1:48:03.200 --> 1:48:06.400
<v Speaker 4>I think that it was a different world.

1:48:07.680 --> 1:48:10.760
<v Speaker 5>I think that they were in my truly I just

1:48:10.800 --> 1:48:12.800
<v Speaker 5>think and the way we truly played it is that

1:48:12.840 --> 1:48:16.280
<v Speaker 5>they were very, very stupid and it was just a

1:48:16.320 --> 1:48:20.040
<v Speaker 5>weird lark that these two men went on, because it's

1:48:20.040 --> 1:48:21.880
<v Speaker 5>the idea is that we were just sort of like

1:48:21.920 --> 1:48:27.040
<v Speaker 5>a stepping stone, kind of Red Herring style, like we

1:48:27.160 --> 1:48:30.080
<v Speaker 5>were just obstacles to Misha Barton's journey.

1:48:30.760 --> 1:48:32.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and so we I think of you.

1:48:33.000 --> 1:48:35.920
<v Speaker 5>And the guy I was in it with was super

1:48:36.000 --> 1:48:38.000
<v Speaker 5>Jazz because he was about to quit his he was

1:48:38.040 --> 1:48:40.600
<v Speaker 5>selling He sold cars for a living and then he

1:48:40.640 --> 1:48:43.240
<v Speaker 5>booked that job and he's like, I'm thinking about getting

1:48:43.240 --> 1:48:45.840
<v Speaker 5>in a modeling and then I don't think he ever

1:48:45.880 --> 1:48:46.719
<v Speaker 5>worked ever again.

1:48:46.800 --> 1:48:50.400
<v Speaker 3>And I checked his IMG. I checked his IMDb.

1:48:50.520 --> 1:48:52.519
<v Speaker 1>He has like two credits ever, and I was like,

1:48:53.040 --> 1:48:54.840
<v Speaker 1>oh no, don't quit the car job.

1:48:55.160 --> 1:48:59.280
<v Speaker 4>It's because you made just sell the cars. Just sell

1:48:59.320 --> 1:49:00.320
<v Speaker 4>the cars. Already.

1:49:00.320 --> 1:49:02.120
<v Speaker 5>Things are doing very well for you, and the idea

1:49:02.120 --> 1:49:04.719
<v Speaker 5>that you're thinking about going into modeling means they're also

1:49:04.800 --> 1:49:08.160
<v Speaker 5>probably fairly getting sex, or you think you think that's

1:49:08.160 --> 1:49:11.400
<v Speaker 5>the thing. Also with the idea of transitioning to modeling

1:49:11.520 --> 1:49:12.440
<v Speaker 5>is a very funny.

1:49:12.200 --> 1:49:13.400
<v Speaker 4>Idea, well speaking.

1:49:13.520 --> 1:49:18.240
<v Speaker 2>So you know, you're obviously with your podcast, like you

1:49:18.360 --> 1:49:22.679
<v Speaker 2>guys research fucked up shit, horrible stuff, weird stuff. We

1:49:23.160 --> 1:49:26.760
<v Speaker 2>on this podcast talk about like being haunted. Are there

1:49:26.800 --> 1:49:31.200
<v Speaker 2>things that you've researched that haunt you and have ruined

1:49:31.240 --> 1:49:31.840
<v Speaker 2>your brain?

1:49:32.200 --> 1:49:35.200
<v Speaker 5>You know there are things that I mean, you'd say

1:49:35.240 --> 1:49:38.720
<v Speaker 5>there are there specific things, not as much anymore. Like

1:49:38.800 --> 1:49:40.680
<v Speaker 5>when we do the alien episodes, I do tend to

1:49:40.720 --> 1:49:43.400
<v Speaker 5>have nightmares. I'll have abduction dreams and they really freak

1:49:43.479 --> 1:49:43.800
<v Speaker 5>me out.

1:49:43.840 --> 1:49:44.479
<v Speaker 4>You canna ask.

1:49:44.400 --> 1:49:47.200
<v Speaker 5>Jared about that because also Jared recently, if you could

1:49:47.520 --> 1:49:50.920
<v Speaker 5>tell him, he gave me a bunch of UFO documentaries

1:49:50.920 --> 1:49:53.240
<v Speaker 5>and we were hanging out in Vancouver one time, and

1:49:53.280 --> 1:49:55.320
<v Speaker 5>I've been going through them and they're actually really great.

1:49:55.479 --> 1:49:57.400
<v Speaker 4>So I'm gonna rip them and send them to him

1:49:57.439 --> 1:50:00.760
<v Speaker 4>as well. He'll love it all right, all of it.

1:50:01.720 --> 1:50:03.960
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, get away.

1:50:04.760 --> 1:50:06.160
<v Speaker 5>But then you know, like then I say, like, oh,

1:50:06.200 --> 1:50:09.200
<v Speaker 5>it doesn't really affect me. But then you know, I

1:50:09.200 --> 1:50:10.679
<v Speaker 5>have cameras all over my house.

1:50:11.600 --> 1:50:13.040
<v Speaker 4>I wake up in the night.

1:50:14.000 --> 1:50:16.439
<v Speaker 5>I literally this is an habitual behavior I have where

1:50:16.439 --> 1:50:17.800
<v Speaker 5>I wake up in the middle of the night and

1:50:17.840 --> 1:50:19.800
<v Speaker 5>I check all the doors and locks in my home.

1:50:19.920 --> 1:50:23.479
<v Speaker 4>I look out the windows, I look I do a

1:50:23.479 --> 1:50:23.960
<v Speaker 4>lot of that.

1:50:24.680 --> 1:50:29.920
<v Speaker 5>I live a high paranoia lifestyle, and that's really maybe

1:50:29.960 --> 1:50:33.720
<v Speaker 5>I feel like that these two my life and that

1:50:33.840 --> 1:50:38.800
<v Speaker 5>behavior are probably connected to each other. Yeah, but I

1:50:38.840 --> 1:50:40.800
<v Speaker 5>don't know it we just cause then you know, I'm

1:50:40.960 --> 1:50:43.840
<v Speaker 5>really bad insomnia, Like I can go up to three

1:50:43.880 --> 1:50:46.719
<v Speaker 5>weeks at a time no sleep, like literally maybe forty

1:50:46.720 --> 1:50:48.439
<v Speaker 5>five minutes of sleep at night. And then I talk

1:50:48.520 --> 1:50:50.880
<v Speaker 5>to my therapist, which is really hilarious, like trying to

1:50:50.880 --> 1:50:51.760
<v Speaker 5>get to the bottom of it.

1:50:51.840 --> 1:50:53.720
<v Speaker 4>And the first question they always ask is like what

1:50:53.880 --> 1:50:55.080
<v Speaker 4>media do you consume?

1:50:56.040 --> 1:51:01.960
<v Speaker 5>And it's just like nothing, literally nothing but absolute mayhem,

1:51:02.880 --> 1:51:03.080
<v Speaker 5>I know.

1:51:03.160 --> 1:51:05.040
<v Speaker 1>And then sometimes you're just like why do I feel

1:51:05.040 --> 1:51:07.880
<v Speaker 1>a little bit down, Like what's up with me today?

1:51:07.920 --> 1:51:10.559
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, oh, I've just been researching child rape

1:51:10.600 --> 1:51:11.800
<v Speaker 1>all day, That's all.

1:51:11.960 --> 1:51:12.400
<v Speaker 4>That's it.

1:51:12.520 --> 1:51:15.799
<v Speaker 5>And then like you know, because Natalie, my wife, Natalie

1:51:15.800 --> 1:51:19.080
<v Speaker 5>has a show about missing women on the Last podcast

1:51:19.080 --> 1:51:22.200
<v Speaker 5>network someplace underneath, and it's like the safe so on

1:51:22.200 --> 1:51:24.360
<v Speaker 5>one end of the house, it's all just.

1:51:24.320 --> 1:51:26.719
<v Speaker 4>Been like when they found her, the only thing left

1:51:26.760 --> 1:51:27.679
<v Speaker 4>was her heel bone.

1:51:27.800 --> 1:51:30.840
<v Speaker 5>And then like to inside here where it's just like

1:51:30.960 --> 1:51:33.439
<v Speaker 5>me deep into like mk ultra or something in this house,

1:51:33.640 --> 1:51:37.000
<v Speaker 5>and then you wonder why Wendy had our dog has

1:51:37.120 --> 1:51:39.599
<v Speaker 5>stomach issues it's just te can.

1:51:39.880 --> 1:51:43.639
<v Speaker 1>Wendy is processing all of this information.

1:51:43.720 --> 1:51:46.200
<v Speaker 4>Yes, in one go, and she's just like or not.

1:51:47.280 --> 1:51:48.840
<v Speaker 1>But is there ever like has there ever been like

1:51:48.880 --> 1:51:52.040
<v Speaker 1>a true crime that you covered that like really blew

1:51:52.080 --> 1:51:54.760
<v Speaker 1>your mind? Like I we just covered the one that

1:51:55.120 --> 1:51:57.080
<v Speaker 1>abducted in plaining sight is based.

1:51:56.800 --> 1:51:59.360
<v Speaker 4>On and we were just like, what the fuck?

1:51:59.600 --> 1:52:06.479
<v Speaker 5>Like ru ruined the sanctuary of my marriage?

1:52:08.360 --> 1:52:11.960
<v Speaker 4>He got got dude, he had sex with the whole family. Man,

1:52:12.360 --> 1:52:16.000
<v Speaker 4>that's crazy. Oh he's crazy. That's that's my reaction too,

1:52:16.120 --> 1:52:20.400
<v Speaker 4>Like you crazy man? The last time I really had one.

1:52:20.560 --> 1:52:22.720
<v Speaker 5>It's kind of funny because the last podcast, I think

1:52:22.720 --> 1:52:27.240
<v Speaker 5>it's about details that come up that are very specific

1:52:27.720 --> 1:52:31.559
<v Speaker 5>and strange that like stick with me. Where like we

1:52:31.640 --> 1:52:34.280
<v Speaker 5>did this long story, we did a coverage of the

1:52:34.400 --> 1:52:36.840
<v Speaker 5>Yorkshire ripper Peter Sutcliffe.

1:52:36.920 --> 1:52:38.439
<v Speaker 3>Oh we just did it. Oh wait, we did it

1:52:38.479 --> 1:52:38.800
<v Speaker 3>for this.

1:52:39.880 --> 1:52:41.000
<v Speaker 4>Oh you did great.

1:52:43.680 --> 1:52:48.080
<v Speaker 5>Fire right now, I am the number must be shooting

1:52:48.520 --> 1:52:54.920
<v Speaker 5>must be incredible. It's crazy. But he one detail that

1:52:54.960 --> 1:52:57.400
<v Speaker 5>they lived laid out. Because the thing about what we

1:52:57.400 --> 1:53:02.120
<v Speaker 5>we criticized crime media media cause they do two things.

1:53:02.160 --> 1:53:07.760
<v Speaker 5>They both make it highly like sinister and make them

1:53:07.800 --> 1:53:10.160
<v Speaker 5>sound like villains right, like, they do this thing they

1:53:10.200 --> 1:53:13.040
<v Speaker 5>make them sound like Boogeyman's that you can never see

1:53:13.080 --> 1:53:15.439
<v Speaker 5>coming because they want to make the audience afraid and

1:53:15.520 --> 1:53:17.519
<v Speaker 5>feel that they're steaks. Right.

1:53:18.000 --> 1:53:19.080
<v Speaker 4>But then on the other.

1:53:18.920 --> 1:53:23.120
<v Speaker 5>Hand, they leave out many, many details of the crime

1:53:23.360 --> 1:53:25.679
<v Speaker 5>for what they believed to be the quote unquote safety

1:53:25.720 --> 1:53:26.439
<v Speaker 5>of their audience.

1:53:26.479 --> 1:53:28.360
<v Speaker 4>I think or they think that people can't handle it.

1:53:28.640 --> 1:53:31.839
<v Speaker 5>But the problem is is that without going into true detail,

1:53:32.120 --> 1:53:36.680
<v Speaker 5>like you really just don't know what happened. You just

1:53:36.840 --> 1:53:39.200
<v Speaker 5>know the media representation of the thing, but you don't

1:53:39.200 --> 1:53:41.599
<v Speaker 5>know actually the events that took place. And one thing

1:53:41.640 --> 1:53:44.160
<v Speaker 5>about the Yorkshire Ripper that was a never and none

1:53:44.200 --> 1:53:46.360
<v Speaker 5>of the true crime coverage was that he used to

1:53:46.439 --> 1:53:48.679
<v Speaker 5>do this thing where he used to wear a sweater

1:53:48.760 --> 1:53:51.519
<v Speaker 5>ass pants so that he can We talked about it

1:53:51.760 --> 1:53:53.080
<v Speaker 5>access to his penis.

1:53:53.120 --> 1:53:54.080
<v Speaker 3>We talked about this.

1:53:54.360 --> 1:53:57.000
<v Speaker 1>He would wear a sweater as pants also so that

1:53:57.040 --> 1:53:59.679
<v Speaker 1>when he kneeled down next to his victims, his knees

1:53:59.720 --> 1:54:01.840
<v Speaker 1>would be on like the elbow pads.

1:54:01.880 --> 1:54:03.080
<v Speaker 4>And support him.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yes, it's a very bad you know, but these

1:54:05.800 --> 1:54:06.920
<v Speaker 5>are the things that stick with me.

1:54:07.960 --> 1:54:10.440
<v Speaker 4>It's the little like qualities.

1:54:10.920 --> 1:54:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, when you said heel bone like that made

1:54:15.320 --> 1:54:16.599
<v Speaker 2>me laugh, like a heel bone.

1:54:16.680 --> 1:54:20.200
<v Speaker 4>Yes, it's well, it's it's it's the specifics, it's like.

1:54:20.240 --> 1:54:22.040
<v Speaker 5>And then with last podcast and left that's why we

1:54:22.120 --> 1:54:25.200
<v Speaker 5>go super exhaustive because we believe that the humor is

1:54:25.240 --> 1:54:29.599
<v Speaker 5>in all of the human stuff. It's all in that.

1:54:29.640 --> 1:54:33.360
<v Speaker 5>It's because in the end, they're not monsters. They're just

1:54:33.520 --> 1:54:36.480
<v Speaker 5>they are fucked up people and so and they come

1:54:36.560 --> 1:54:39.680
<v Speaker 5>from some place and so that's how it's kind of like,

1:54:39.880 --> 1:54:42.720
<v Speaker 5>you know, as true crime grules, it's.

1:54:42.560 --> 1:54:45.360
<v Speaker 4>More like how did they why are they like that?

1:54:45.520 --> 1:54:48.120
<v Speaker 5>But I'm normal, even though we all kind of start

1:54:48.160 --> 1:54:50.560
<v Speaker 5>in the same fucked up place in America.

1:54:50.680 --> 1:54:52.960
<v Speaker 2>But I wanted to say, sometimes all of this knowledge

1:54:53.000 --> 1:54:55.520
<v Speaker 2>does help, because I thought someone was uncaught like shady,

1:54:55.560 --> 1:54:57.680
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't like it, and I asked someone to

1:54:57.680 --> 1:54:59.240
<v Speaker 2>stay with me, and then they pulled out a knife

1:54:59.280 --> 1:55:00.600
<v Speaker 2>on him and I was like, like, I got out

1:55:00.640 --> 1:55:01.200
<v Speaker 2>of there, you know.

1:55:01.240 --> 1:55:02.520
<v Speaker 4>So sometimes you're right.

1:55:02.520 --> 1:55:05.080
<v Speaker 5>I think following your gut is the most in sinctual

1:55:05.120 --> 1:55:06.520
<v Speaker 5>thing on the face of the planet, because.

1:55:06.320 --> 1:55:08.520
<v Speaker 4>Oh, you're all you are. If you're wrong, all you

1:55:08.600 --> 1:55:11.440
<v Speaker 4>are is awkward, and then you just move on. You

1:55:11.560 --> 1:55:12.840
<v Speaker 4>just move on to the next time.

1:55:12.880 --> 1:55:16.280
<v Speaker 5>And what I also what's nice about almost getting to

1:55:16.360 --> 1:55:20.360
<v Speaker 5>forty is truly understanding that nobody gives a single fuck

1:55:20.400 --> 1:55:22.680
<v Speaker 5>what you're doing over there. They just don't even they're

1:55:22.720 --> 1:55:25.560
<v Speaker 5>not even thinking about you. They're just thinking about themselves.

1:55:25.680 --> 1:55:28.400
<v Speaker 5>They're just everybody's wrapped up into their own bullshit. So

1:55:28.920 --> 1:55:31.320
<v Speaker 5>in the end, I also learned the more I'm awkward

1:55:31.360 --> 1:55:34.680
<v Speaker 5>and strange to people, then you get labeled eccentric, and.

1:55:34.640 --> 1:55:37.000
<v Speaker 4>Then you get a lot of a lot of you know,

1:55:37.120 --> 1:55:39.480
<v Speaker 4>social grace. People give you a lot of room.

1:55:40.360 --> 1:55:40.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:55:41.040 --> 1:55:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh that Henry, That Henry, he's just got problem tune.

1:55:46.440 --> 1:55:48.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1:55:48.560 --> 1:55:51.240
<v Speaker 3>Wait, I wanted to ask you. I wanted to ask

1:55:51.280 --> 1:55:52.360
<v Speaker 3>you because when I.

1:55:52.320 --> 1:55:54.760
<v Speaker 1>First texted you about doing this podcast, you wrote, yes,

1:55:54.800 --> 1:55:56.760
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to tell you about working with Christopher

1:55:56.800 --> 1:55:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Mellon's And I didn't know if that was a typo

1:55:59.200 --> 1:56:00.640
<v Speaker 1>or that's what you call.

1:56:00.560 --> 1:56:04.480
<v Speaker 4>Him, mister Melons again I have.

1:56:05.560 --> 1:56:07.840
<v Speaker 5>We didn't have a lot of conversations, but at the

1:56:07.880 --> 1:56:12.480
<v Speaker 5>time he was working on this one man show what

1:56:12.560 --> 1:56:14.680
<v Speaker 5>it was called. He was doing this show on Broadway

1:56:14.800 --> 1:56:17.440
<v Speaker 5>or off Broadway where it was a one man show

1:56:17.480 --> 1:56:20.360
<v Speaker 5>and he played was playing like an Iraq war veteran.

1:56:20.400 --> 1:56:22.400
<v Speaker 4>I might be wrong, but I be he was something

1:56:22.440 --> 1:56:22.640
<v Speaker 4>like that.

1:56:22.680 --> 1:56:24.920
<v Speaker 5>But he was playing a military He was playing a

1:56:24.920 --> 1:56:28.040
<v Speaker 5>military guy, and so the whole time he was just

1:56:28.200 --> 1:56:33.800
<v Speaker 5>talking about a soldier's life, what these guys went through

1:56:33.840 --> 1:56:37.200
<v Speaker 5>an Iraq all this kind of shit. But doing the

1:56:37.240 --> 1:56:40.360
<v Speaker 5>audience can't see it, but I'll show you. It's this

1:56:40.480 --> 1:56:43.440
<v Speaker 5>deep lunge move where he was, he was.

1:56:43.440 --> 1:56:44.840
<v Speaker 4>Standing in front of me.

1:56:45.040 --> 1:56:48.360
<v Speaker 1>They exactly, they know exactly what you're doing because there's

1:56:48.400 --> 1:56:50.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of photographic evidence of that.

1:56:50.720 --> 1:56:52.880
<v Speaker 3>Yes, he's lunging everybody.

1:56:52.640 --> 1:56:57.040
<v Speaker 5>Doing the lunch right, and because honestly, he is set

1:56:57.360 --> 1:57:04.240
<v Speaker 5>up on his behind all right, his butt is like

1:57:04.920 --> 1:57:08.000
<v Speaker 5>sculpted and you can see through and you know it's

1:57:08.000 --> 1:57:10.800
<v Speaker 5>sculpted because you could see through khakis and if.

1:57:10.720 --> 1:57:13.200
<v Speaker 3>You have them through like cop khakis.

1:57:13.600 --> 1:57:17.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, if you could see butt through khakis, you are

1:57:17.440 --> 1:57:19.080
<v Speaker 5>you got your krack a lack him.

1:57:19.080 --> 1:57:19.800
<v Speaker 4>That's the old.

1:57:19.680 --> 1:57:24.280
<v Speaker 5>Term from what I've heard, and he is, uh, but

1:57:24.360 --> 1:57:26.080
<v Speaker 5>he is like that. But that was that was all

1:57:26.120 --> 1:57:28.520
<v Speaker 5>the time. So but the thing was, again, there was

1:57:28.560 --> 1:57:32.960
<v Speaker 5>such a system that it needed to be an eight

1:57:33.000 --> 1:57:36.760
<v Speaker 5>hour day, like that's what they do. So this was

1:57:36.800 --> 1:57:39.240
<v Speaker 5>back in the day when they used to have the they.

1:57:39.200 --> 1:57:40.840
<v Speaker 4>Used to have a job. Maybe they still do. Did

1:57:40.840 --> 1:57:44.880
<v Speaker 4>they still have the giant compounds in Jersey? I think so.

1:57:45.040 --> 1:57:47.040
<v Speaker 1>I think they still tape some stuff out there. That's

1:57:47.040 --> 1:57:50.080
<v Speaker 1>apparently where all like the jail and interrogation stuff happens.

1:57:50.200 --> 1:57:53.240
<v Speaker 4>That's where the core room is. And so we went

1:57:53.240 --> 1:57:53.760
<v Speaker 4>all the way out there.

1:57:53.800 --> 1:57:57.000
<v Speaker 5>They had built the set on the compounds and that's

1:57:57.000 --> 1:57:58.800
<v Speaker 5>where we I had went out there.

1:57:58.880 --> 1:58:00.880
<v Speaker 4>But man, it's fucking nuts.

1:58:01.000 --> 1:58:04.480
<v Speaker 5>It's just like they they are cycling through because they'll

1:58:04.480 --> 1:58:07.120
<v Speaker 5>shoot an episode in three days.

1:58:07.360 --> 1:58:08.560
<v Speaker 4>Like at the time too.

1:58:08.400 --> 1:58:10.560
<v Speaker 5>When they were real well oiled machines, so you did

1:58:10.560 --> 1:58:12.400
<v Speaker 5>not have a lot of time. You had I had

1:58:12.440 --> 1:58:17.760
<v Speaker 5>two takes. It had to be done, and you just

1:58:17.840 --> 1:58:19.800
<v Speaker 5>did it. All of the New York shows were like

1:58:19.800 --> 1:58:21.480
<v Speaker 5>that back in the day where they were very It

1:58:21.520 --> 1:58:24.880
<v Speaker 5>was very frightening. And I don't I didn't understand what

1:58:25.040 --> 1:58:28.200
<v Speaker 5>acting like. I don't know how acting gets done in

1:58:28.280 --> 1:58:34.280
<v Speaker 5>that spot unless you are when you're Christopher Mellon's or

1:58:35.840 --> 1:58:41.839
<v Speaker 5>oh shoot Mariska, who is wonderful, who also brilliant person,

1:58:42.000 --> 1:58:44.400
<v Speaker 5>obviously very sweet, she was very very nice, but she

1:58:44.480 --> 1:58:46.160
<v Speaker 5>was she was run.

1:58:45.920 --> 1:58:46.480
<v Speaker 4>In that set.

1:58:46.960 --> 1:58:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and did Maloney aka Mellons tried to like get

1:58:51.720 --> 1:58:54.280
<v Speaker 1>that power from her or he allowed like.

1:58:54.360 --> 1:58:58.480
<v Speaker 5>He was doing his own name, Mariska's in charge. He

1:58:58.560 --> 1:59:01.840
<v Speaker 5>went off and he was literally just stretching. Yeah, he

1:59:01.960 --> 1:59:04.400
<v Speaker 5>was just stretching, and then he was like, let's go,

1:59:04.480 --> 1:59:06.520
<v Speaker 5>let's get it. Gun, come on, let's do it. And

1:59:06.560 --> 1:59:09.400
<v Speaker 5>then he would you know, Like it's also the thing

1:59:09.400 --> 1:59:11.520
<v Speaker 5>as a young actor too, when you're around all these

1:59:11.600 --> 1:59:13.360
<v Speaker 5>very experienced people and then.

1:59:13.400 --> 1:59:15.400
<v Speaker 4>Like they just told me what to do and where

1:59:15.440 --> 1:59:15.840
<v Speaker 4>to stand.

1:59:16.320 --> 1:59:18.920
<v Speaker 5>They were like the directors was like trying to say stuff,

1:59:18.920 --> 1:59:20.920
<v Speaker 5>but Maloney literally was like you're gonna stand right here,

1:59:20.960 --> 1:59:21.440
<v Speaker 5>We're gonna do this.

1:59:21.480 --> 1:59:23.120
<v Speaker 4>We're flipping around like they just do.

1:59:23.480 --> 1:59:25.400
<v Speaker 5>They just told me what was gonna happen, and I

1:59:25.440 --> 1:59:27.920
<v Speaker 5>was just like whatever you need.

1:59:28.440 --> 1:59:31.600
<v Speaker 1>No, this is so funny because like you you're saying,

1:59:31.640 --> 1:59:33.960
<v Speaker 1>it was really fast and it was like your second

1:59:33.960 --> 1:59:35.760
<v Speaker 1>thing you ever did, but you remember it.

1:59:35.720 --> 1:59:38.160
<v Speaker 3>Really well, like you were meant a lot of stuff

1:59:38.200 --> 1:59:38.720
<v Speaker 3>from it.

1:59:38.720 --> 1:59:41.040
<v Speaker 5>It meant a lot to me, like it really like

1:59:41.320 --> 1:59:43.360
<v Speaker 5>it was because it was a big deal and I

1:59:43.440 --> 1:59:47.280
<v Speaker 5>really for especially the time because like I was told

1:59:47.600 --> 1:59:49.880
<v Speaker 5>at the time, I was like this, now you're a

1:59:49.920 --> 1:59:53.600
<v Speaker 5>New York actor, like you know, now, now you're in

1:59:53.640 --> 1:59:56.040
<v Speaker 5>the system. Now you're gonna do all of these And

1:59:56.080 --> 1:59:58.280
<v Speaker 5>I did do a bunch of procedurals then in a row.

1:59:58.320 --> 2:00:00.920
<v Speaker 5>It does work like that, and uh, it got me.

2:00:01.040 --> 2:00:03.080
<v Speaker 5>It taught me a lot about TV, like what to

2:00:03.200 --> 2:00:07.520
<v Speaker 5>expect and how how like when you're a day player,

2:00:08.120 --> 2:00:11.600
<v Speaker 5>like how low on the ladder you are as a person,

2:00:12.160 --> 2:00:14.360
<v Speaker 5>and that most of your day needs to be spent

2:00:14.520 --> 2:00:16.560
<v Speaker 5>being out of the way of everyone else.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, since you were that excited, are you, like, were

2:00:22.280 --> 2:00:23.800
<v Speaker 2>you excited about crafty the.

2:00:23.800 --> 2:00:26.480
<v Speaker 5>Snack that was back in the day when I used

2:00:26.520 --> 2:00:29.560
<v Speaker 5>to have to literally take food home. I used to

2:00:29.600 --> 2:00:32.440
<v Speaker 5>go and take food off the craft table and put

2:00:32.480 --> 2:00:34.440
<v Speaker 5>it into a bag and leave with it, like when

2:00:34.480 --> 2:00:36.160
<v Speaker 5>I did my first After that I had done my

2:00:36.200 --> 2:00:40.200
<v Speaker 5>first pilot and I was so so so broke, my

2:00:40.240 --> 2:00:42.520
<v Speaker 5>manager had to pay my sag fees like he did

2:00:42.560 --> 2:00:45.560
<v Speaker 5>it for me, which was actually incredibly sweet.

2:00:45.560 --> 2:00:49.040
<v Speaker 4>But also I booked Ken. Yes, yeah, then yeah.

2:00:48.880 --> 2:00:52.560
<v Speaker 5>He paid for my sag fee because but again a

2:00:52.680 --> 2:00:56.320
<v Speaker 5>check was coming. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's easy to do

2:00:56.360 --> 2:00:58.000
<v Speaker 5>when he could just take it out of the thing, right.

2:00:58.360 --> 2:01:01.960
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I was on set like and they're all like,

2:01:02.000 --> 2:01:05.600
<v Speaker 5>we're gonna go out to this fancy bar in Midtown,

2:01:05.760 --> 2:01:07.800
<v Speaker 5>and I was just like lie and be like I

2:01:07.800 --> 2:01:10.520
<v Speaker 5>got a show tonight, and I would just like fill

2:01:10.720 --> 2:01:13.040
<v Speaker 5>my bag with stuff from Crafty and take it home.

2:01:13.120 --> 2:01:15.240
<v Speaker 5>So it's like whatever wasn't tied down. But that was

2:01:15.280 --> 2:01:17.680
<v Speaker 5>also then what happened was like I was also when

2:01:17.680 --> 2:01:20.520
<v Speaker 5>I was extra poor and very very sad. What I

2:01:20.600 --> 2:01:23.960
<v Speaker 5>learned from being on set was that oh, if you

2:01:24.160 --> 2:01:27.080
<v Speaker 5>just go up to a Crafty tent and meander for

2:01:27.120 --> 2:01:29.000
<v Speaker 5>a little bit and act like you're a part of

2:01:29.040 --> 2:01:32.640
<v Speaker 5>the crew, you can just eat on that too, and

2:01:32.680 --> 2:01:35.760
<v Speaker 5>they really have a hard time staying like turning you away,

2:01:36.200 --> 2:01:38.040
<v Speaker 5>so you just do it real fast and you just

2:01:38.080 --> 2:01:40.840
<v Speaker 5>take Crafty like off the street.

2:01:41.200 --> 2:01:41.760
<v Speaker 4>It was fun.

2:01:41.920 --> 2:01:45.720
<v Speaker 1>I I've actually thought about doing that before, just to

2:01:45.720 --> 2:01:47.680
<v Speaker 1>see if I could, not like because I'm like.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I really need to snack.

2:01:48.800 --> 2:01:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm always like I wonder if I can act like

2:01:50.880 --> 2:01:53.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm part of this enough that I'm like, oh, hey,

2:01:53.560 --> 2:01:57.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm just grabbing something for yeah, stage two, I'll be you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, like little All you need is to connect hit

2:02:00.200 --> 2:02:03.760
<v Speaker 5>earphones like it is, and then it's still looking everywhere.

2:02:03.760 --> 2:02:09.040
<v Speaker 5>It's ugh, ugh, they need this now you know, talent's

2:02:09.080 --> 2:02:11.120
<v Speaker 5>waiting now like you act like you're in a huge hurry.

2:02:11.600 --> 2:02:15.680
<v Speaker 4>Do you cause it's life or death? Cara, it's death?

2:02:16.600 --> 2:02:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I know. Do you get texted like every time this

2:02:20.600 --> 2:02:23.440
<v Speaker 1>episode comes on? Because I feel like this is like

2:02:23.640 --> 2:02:25.600
<v Speaker 1>on all the time. I remember when you were first

2:02:25.640 --> 2:02:27.880
<v Speaker 1>on it because this came out when I was like

2:02:28.040 --> 2:02:30.120
<v Speaker 1>just first dating Jared and you guys were friends and

2:02:30.160 --> 2:02:32.320
<v Speaker 1>I was like this guy, you know, Henry's on it

2:02:32.360 --> 2:02:36.320
<v Speaker 1>on my favorite show, Like that's so funny. Like, but

2:02:36.400 --> 2:02:38.720
<v Speaker 1>do you get texted? Because people always tell us like

2:02:38.760 --> 2:02:41.240
<v Speaker 1>cause you know, USA I on every network in the

2:02:41.240 --> 2:02:43.839
<v Speaker 1>world is playing you at a SBU on a marathon,

2:02:44.000 --> 2:02:46.040
<v Speaker 1>So like do you get like people say, just saw

2:02:46.080 --> 2:02:46.800
<v Speaker 1>you on us view?

2:02:47.440 --> 2:02:50.200
<v Speaker 5>Every once in a while, it'll be like a listener

2:02:50.880 --> 2:02:53.480
<v Speaker 5>that for last podcasts in a laughter, somebody who just

2:02:53.680 --> 2:02:56.960
<v Speaker 5>like they'll just randomly like be like is this you?

2:02:57.720 --> 2:02:59.400
<v Speaker 5>And then I have to be like, yes, I did

2:02:59.560 --> 2:03:05.120
<v Speaker 5>use to have beautiful hair, very thick hair, but yeah,

2:03:05.160 --> 2:03:07.879
<v Speaker 5>I mean, honestly, now with that thing is that mostly

2:03:08.120 --> 2:03:11.040
<v Speaker 5>it's just played so often every once in a while,

2:03:11.080 --> 2:03:14.000
<v Speaker 5>like my mom if I haven't texted my mom back

2:03:14.080 --> 2:03:17.040
<v Speaker 5>yet in like O for a period of time or whatever,

2:03:17.120 --> 2:03:19.000
<v Speaker 5>like I just like, you know, slips my mind. She'll like,

2:03:19.040 --> 2:03:20.960
<v Speaker 5>if she sees it, she'll take a picture. Just been like,

2:03:21.160 --> 2:03:21.920
<v Speaker 5>at least I.

2:03:21.800 --> 2:03:28.080
<v Speaker 4>Could see you on the television. It's been like Jesus Christ, God, parents.

2:03:27.680 --> 2:03:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Are so fucking desperate, it's ridiculous.

2:03:31.320 --> 2:03:35.440
<v Speaker 4>They're so that's like, I'm do you watch yourself? I

2:03:35.520 --> 2:03:40.320
<v Speaker 4>hate me? Okay, So no, I try not to as

2:03:40.400 --> 2:03:42.360
<v Speaker 4>much as humanly possible. I try to avoid me.

2:03:43.320 --> 2:03:45.840
<v Speaker 2>So I have kind of a fun game moment. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not about SVU, but I saw you and I love

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<v Speaker 2>the two thousand. Yeah that was yeah, And I'm wondering

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<v Speaker 2>if there was an I love the twenty twenties and

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<v Speaker 2>our life is kind of weird now, But is there

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<v Speaker 2>anything you think you would include or want to include,

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<v Speaker 2>or something I really love about the twenty tens to

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty twenties to present that you would be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this will be talking to about Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Gosh, this is a lot people aside from your role

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<v Speaker 1>on SBU that would go on the time capsule of

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<v Speaker 1>the odds.

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<v Speaker 5>If you want to be, I'll choose a completely neutral thing,

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<v Speaker 5>which I do think is one of the only good

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<v Speaker 5>things that did come out of this time period was

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<v Speaker 5>the rise of the seamless app. And it's like, I

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<v Speaker 5>love that answer. I want to say thank you, thank

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<v Speaker 5>you to Seamless. And I know it's a terrible company.

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<v Speaker 5>Everyone's mad at any com right, So yes, everybody's mad,

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<v Speaker 5>but still thank you for the years.

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<v Speaker 3>Food delivery, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Food delivery as a concept via not phone was such

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<v Speaker 5>a good transition for this country. It should have saved us.

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<v Speaker 5>It should have I should have done something, but it didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It did.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a really good answer because because.

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<v Speaker 5>Truthfully, as I think that that, I probably would have drove.

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<v Speaker 5>I would either done Uber or delivery app. Definitely when

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<v Speaker 5>I was coming up, I definitely would have done it

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<v Speaker 5>instead of we had office jobs, Kara, I had an

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<v Speaker 5>office job.

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<v Speaker 4>Someone had to fucking hire me.

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<v Speaker 5>And then I think about that all the time, because no,

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<v Speaker 5>I hire people.

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<v Speaker 4>I do, right, I hire people for the network. And

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<v Speaker 4>now I know I used to be.

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<v Speaker 5>So proud to go ahead and be like and guess what,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm also a comedian, and now I know you never

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<v Speaker 5>hire a comedian ever to do any job that's not be.

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<v Speaker 4>A waiter, right, they can't handle it.

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<v Speaker 5>They're not there, they're not emotionally there, you know, or

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<v Speaker 5>receptionist or that's a great one. That's a great one

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<v Speaker 5>because again you can get because the one thing I

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<v Speaker 5>was iced about the office job back in the day

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<v Speaker 5>because we did sketch comedy thousands of dollars of copies.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, thousands of dollars, like all of the office supplies.

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<v Speaker 4>We had highlighters, we had buyers posts, yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember when we first did the Fringe in New

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<v Speaker 5>York and it was like I was printing out full

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<v Speaker 5>like long sheet posters just like then people show it

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<v Speaker 5>up just being like why there's.

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<v Speaker 4>No color ink in this anymore?

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<v Speaker 1>And be like I don't know, I don't no, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm married to such a office supply fevery pussy

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<v Speaker 1>like he won't do it, and like when he was

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<v Speaker 1>looking at Cordon, I'd be like, we need paper, can

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<v Speaker 1>you just grab some at Cordon And he'd be like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to do that, and I'd be like,

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<v Speaker 1>what this job bring us some supplies?

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<v Speaker 4>This is your family, this is your family. You chose

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<v Speaker 4>James over my family. This is your family?

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<v Speaker 5>All right?

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<v Speaker 4>What if this was World War three?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my, Henry, I'm being serious.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had so many people right to us and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to have Henry on, and it's like you're

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<v Speaker 1>great in this episode. But it's not like you're They

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<v Speaker 1>don't write and say get me Sha Martin. They write

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<v Speaker 1>and say get Henry Zebrowski for this episode.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a lot of crossover.

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<v Speaker 4>Is she easy to talk to? Like, do you think

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<v Speaker 4>you could get could you get me? She wort? And

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<v Speaker 4>you should? You should? I don't think we should. We

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<v Speaker 4>didn't try.

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<v Speaker 3>We went for you, We went for you, We didn't

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<v Speaker 3>try for her.

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<v Speaker 4>Also, I'm talking.

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<v Speaker 2>This has also been very unique and fun and you

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot to say. It's like a Greg I've

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<v Speaker 2>I've been entertained and that's exciting.

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<v Speaker 4>All I do is talk all day long.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Also, we kind of talked about how she's not

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<v Speaker 1>that good in the episode, so it would have been

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<v Speaker 1>weird to have her on.

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<v Speaker 3>We would have had to cut that out. She's she's

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<v Speaker 3>not an episode.

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<v Speaker 4>She's acting for two.

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<v Speaker 5>First of all, all right, because she is fake pregnant

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<v Speaker 5>and she just was Oh god, just oh, she must

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<v Speaker 5>not have been happy.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think she thought she was gonna be a

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<v Speaker 3>bigger star.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe this was like she thought it was beneath her

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<v Speaker 2>because she was a teen icon, like I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>But she bombed. Yeah, she couldn't fall, like she wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>great at it. And then it seems like by your

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<v Speaker 2>body lang, which she was a coun she.

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<v Speaker 5>She just was in.

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<v Speaker 4>She was indifferent.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she was probably like let's get this over with.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, believe me, I understand because but there was also

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<v Speaker 5>a part of me it was been like this is

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<v Speaker 5>a big deal for me, like I wanted to be like,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm very excited about our work together today because I

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<v Speaker 5>didn't know who she was.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, but we've talked to Oscar winners who are

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<v Speaker 2>excited to be on it. So it's also like being cynical.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just against cynicism. I think you should enjoy everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and so to me, it's like that's disappointing, but it

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<v Speaker 2>shows in her performance that she didn't care.

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<v Speaker 5>So I remember I was in the first season of

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<v Speaker 5>Girls and I remember like man Adam Driver was like,

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<v Speaker 5>it's like we need to rehearse and so it's like

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<v Speaker 5>I went ahead to go with him and hang out

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<v Speaker 5>with you, Like he really gave a ship and he

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<v Speaker 5>was just there.

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<v Speaker 4>It was really weird.

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<v Speaker 5>Now he's like a superstar obviously, but it's the thing

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<v Speaker 5>at the time period, you don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>That's one of my favorite shows. Who Were You? In

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<v Speaker 4>Season one?

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<v Speaker 5>I was the fat dude that did the improvise play

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<v Speaker 5>with Adam Driver that was adding adding.

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<v Speaker 4>To it. Oh my god, cool, very dumb. It was fun.

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<v Speaker 5>I love to do it. But it shows the difference

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<v Speaker 5>where like Nisha Barton wouldn't want to be involved and

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<v Speaker 5>then all you have a look at this other show

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<v Speaker 5>where it was like they were all working very very hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, and it show. I mean, it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>shows with what she's up to now. Not to talk

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<v Speaker 1>too much shit, but you know we are.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the most shit we've ever talked outside of

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<v Speaker 2>like a murderer rapist.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, we're really dragging.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm also not including myself because she was neutral to

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<v Speaker 5>me and I barely understand who she is as a person.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah no, and I'm not found on her other stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Any tidbits. I know you weren't in with Iced Tea

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<v Speaker 2>did you see him walk around? Was a Coco sighting.

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<v Speaker 4>No, we were very much so separated. He wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 4>And they I think they really do.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like they have Chris and and they have like

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<v Speaker 5>those days and then they have his days and then

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<v Speaker 5>they separate all the schedules because you really are just

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<v Speaker 5>banging them out.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh. Then they just do it. They block shoot it

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<v Speaker 4>just boom boom boom. So I didn't see him.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but again, you know, I will say Chris Maloney

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<v Speaker 5>and Mariska they took their times to like say hello.

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<v Speaker 5>I know it sounds like that's ridiculous, but in terms

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<v Speaker 5>of doing day playing, like they spoke to us as

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<v Speaker 5>if we had blood in us, which was very nice,

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<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean, Like we weren't house plants,

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<v Speaker 5>so that was very very nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we hear that a lot like that.

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<v Speaker 1>They make it make it nice for the people that

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<v Speaker 1>are coming and even though like some people are just

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<v Speaker 1>there for a day or two.

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<v Speaker 5>Obviously loved the show, like it's like one of those

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<v Speaker 5>things that they were very investing.

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<v Speaker 1>So obviously besides your hit podcast, Last Podcast on the Left,

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<v Speaker 1>your podcast network, the Last podcast Network, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>have anything coming up that you want people to our

2:11:20.960 --> 2:11:24.400
<v Speaker 1>listeners to check out or anything like that if you

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<v Speaker 1>have some crossover. But this might be a new audience

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<v Speaker 1>that's just meeting Henry Szabowski. So what should they check out?

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna fall in love. Get ready for compliment.

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<v Speaker 5>I need them. I need them every day. Go your

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<v Speaker 5>pretty face to going to hell. My show for adult

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<v Speaker 5>swims now on HBO Max. More people have seen it

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<v Speaker 5>since get on HBO Max, since before it was on

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<v Speaker 5>the channel that.

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<v Speaker 3>Was so funny with an old improv friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Craig Wowen is your co star and I love I

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<v Speaker 1>can highly recommend you're pretty much ill.

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<v Speaker 4>I deeply missed my show and then I uh, Last

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<v Speaker 4>Comic Book on the Left.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm currently selling an anthology comic book that me and

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<v Speaker 5>Marcus edited, uh and we are.

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<v Speaker 4>It's awesome.

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<v Speaker 5>It's called Last Book on the Left and it's out

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<v Speaker 5>there through Z two Comics dot com. We're about to

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<v Speaker 5>sell our second We sold out our our first runs.

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<v Speaker 5>We're about to do a second volume.

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<v Speaker 4>So we love it so well. Yeah, check it out

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<v Speaker 4>if you're into comic books.

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<v Speaker 3>Amazing, Henry, thank you so much for talking to us.

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<v Speaker 3>You're one with us a blastner.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm obsessed with him and I want him to be

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<v Speaker 2>a guest every week. Like I understand why his podcast

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<v Speaker 2>is so popular and why he was so highly requested.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's just so good at talking. I've never met it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was the most quiet I've ever been

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<v Speaker 2>in an interview. I was just amazed. He was just

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah, I felt so happy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love when we talk to someone that has

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a smaller part but has so much

2:12:59.000 --> 2:13:00.920
<v Speaker 1>info and like so much much to say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like hell, because it meant obviously meant.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I love that, you know, speaking from someone

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<v Speaker 2>that just got kicked by a horse in the movie Nope.

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<v Speaker 3>Which a lot of people are noticing you. We're getting messages,

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 4>Joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Quazala sent me a text with the gift of Leonardo

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<v Speaker 1>DiCaprio pointing at the TV like he knows someone you

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<v Speaker 1>know that gift.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I really was. But then he goes, was

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<v Speaker 2>there more to it? And they cut you out? I go, Nope,

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<v Speaker 2>that was it, Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Nope, Nope, please see the name of the movie.

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<v Speaker 4>Nope. I also couldn't believe that Henry brought up the

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<v Speaker 4>Yorkshire Ripper without right now connecting.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he knew it was like the crime

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<v Speaker 3>for today, so so so wild.

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<v Speaker 4>What I want to I want to hang out.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know aliens, and it's nice to know

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<v Speaker 2>someone else is having a lot of residual effects from

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<v Speaker 2>reading scary stories all the time. Yes, for sure, for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>not that I want other people to suffer, but yeah, No,

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<v Speaker 2>he's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I love him and his whole group of friends. They're

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<v Speaker 1>just all fun, awesome, like positive people.

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<v Speaker 4>And we learned what we always learn.

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<v Speaker 2>Police are trash, men are trash, and sex workers are

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<v Speaker 2>not considered people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, I mean I really would encourage people to

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<v Speaker 1>see to watch what I watched on Netflix, the Yorkshire Ripper,

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<v Speaker 1>like the Ripper series that I watched, just like even

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<v Speaker 1>if you started episode like three where the women start

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<v Speaker 1>to really talk about how they were, like no one

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<v Speaker 1>was listening to us, like we were figuring out like

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<v Speaker 1>the women journalists that worked on it and stuff. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just really interesting how groups of men just like

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<v Speaker 1>create a narrative, stick to it, and then when it's

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<v Speaker 1>not working for years, they just dig in their heels

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<v Speaker 1>instead of saying like, I don't know, should we ask

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<v Speaker 1>anybody else what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Also, were you nervous when Henry was going to give

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<v Speaker 2>a clue that you didn't have it or something like

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<v Speaker 2>when he said it was the dickal I was happy.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, what the fuck is he gonna say?

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<v Speaker 2>What is he gonna say, poke a hole through our work?

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I was like, oh God, I hope I

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<v Speaker 1>have what he has, but yeah, the fucking But I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know if it was so his dick could be accessible,

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't think he ever sexually assaulted anyone as

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<v Speaker 1>far as I know, So I thought it was literally

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<v Speaker 1>for the knee pads on the elbows. But I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>I'll hear from some listeners when they.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess this is a long time ago, because

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, get some volleyball knee pads, like you like,

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<v Speaker 2>get some roller blade hard kneepads.

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<v Speaker 1>Like in the seventies, he like invents me pads for rollerblades. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>safety wasn't huge in the seventies. You could stick as

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, there's a comic who drove here and

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<v Speaker 1>I got into their car.

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<v Speaker 4>Three rows of seats. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>It felt so good the moment I walked in, I go, now,

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<v Speaker 2>this is living, this is living. I mean to fit

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<v Speaker 2>that many people in a sexy, sexy jeep. I loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>And they had like a special sound system. No one

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<v Speaker 2>in our lives really is like that into sound. I think, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know our sound people. It was like, do you

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<v Speaker 2>know this Macintosh speakers sound system? It was like they

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<v Speaker 2>bought it for the sounds.

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<v Speaker 4>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I just I haven't been in three rows of seats

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<v Speaker 3>in a while and it felt nice.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, eventually, when my kids are older, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to invest in a third row because like that,

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<v Speaker 1>you bring their friends around.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm about to.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, you know, you're gonna take her to like rugby

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<v Speaker 1>practice with all her friends. I love that You've already

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<v Speaker 1>pigeonholed Rosie as a full rugby playing lesbian.

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<v Speaker 4>She could be anywhere she.

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<v Speaker 2>Wants on the spectrum, but there's no way she's not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna want to run and bump into people and shut

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<v Speaker 2>them to the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I played rugby for a semester and then I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, this is too rough. I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>drink but that is so fucking funny. I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>taking rug Rosie to rugbyice in.

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<v Speaker 4>My third row.

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<v Speaker 3>My favorite was for swim team.

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<v Speaker 1>Like in the summer, we would swim at like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>six in the morning at the outdoor pools.

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<v Speaker 4>But once well, now you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know me, I am a little bit, but I would

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<v Speaker 2>immediately get in the car and stop to start talking,

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<v Speaker 2>and people would have to be like, shut up, shut up,

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<v Speaker 2>it's six, We're done. Like the moms would be like,

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<v Speaker 2>shut your fucking it's quiet.

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<v Speaker 3>Time now, Lisa jash Rosie. That's fucking Rosie in the car.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, I'm gonna turn on some music and

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<v Speaker 1>we're not gonna talk for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>And then she just talks over the music. It's like crazy, No,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not crazy, it's you. She's three you, it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>three yeah, lucky, yeah nice.

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<v Speaker 4>Try to get out of that. No.

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<v Speaker 1>I tell people all the time I go, my daughter's

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<v Speaker 1>driving me insane, and she is me and I am

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<v Speaker 1>reaping what I sew.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything is coming back to me.

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<v Speaker 4>It's karma.

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<v Speaker 5>She is me.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>My sister always used to judge my parents and how

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<v Speaker 2>they like parented me. And then she got a daughter

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<v Speaker 2>that's similar to me, and it has to be a

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<v Speaker 2>little more lenient than she thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I got some I was like drilling your

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<v Speaker 1>sister for parenting tips when I met her in Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, how do you get into that your

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<v Speaker 1>kids love you so much?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, well, it's also all casual and with experience and it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it wasn't like she immediately started like that,

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<v Speaker 2>but then I like her things. She goes, if it's

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna matter tomorrow or in a week, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to care about it. Yeah, and that's that she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>and she goes, I want them to remember the way

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<v Speaker 2>I make them feel. And she's an example of like

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<v Speaker 2>someone she saw a parent like their kid came and

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, why are you wearing that again? Instead

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<v Speaker 2>of like, oh, how was your weekend away? And she goes,

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't want to nitpick on things that aren't

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<v Speaker 2>going to matter in a week, and I want them

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<v Speaker 2>to remember me being like, how is your weekend?

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<v Speaker 4>What did you do?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it's like it's just hippy dippy shit. I

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<v Speaker 3>guess no, it no, but okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But without getting into a full episode of the Parent

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<v Speaker 1>Footprint podcast, which I've already been a guest shot. Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's what I try to talk about on there

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. It's like I feel like sometimes I

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<v Speaker 1>get too bogged down in like the detail, like don't

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<v Speaker 1>let her get away with too much stuff, or she's

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<v Speaker 1>going to turn into like a brat, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, yeah, is it gonna matter tomorrow?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it gonna matter next week?

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<v Speaker 1>Like just I'm trying to like embrace fun mom a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more and be like, let's just not like

2:19:03.600 --> 2:19:07.560
<v Speaker 1>totally like you know, let her run run the place,

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<v Speaker 1>but like a little bit less that doesn't match with

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<v Speaker 1>that you can't wear that, you know, like just now.

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<v Speaker 2>This one therapist I talked to for was like, you

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<v Speaker 2>just have to love the shit out of your kid

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<v Speaker 2>for who they are because the world is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so you have less to yeah reprogram when you're an adult. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we talked about this, listen, pat of thing's

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<v Speaker 2>hard and no matter what you do, your kids will

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<v Speaker 2>hate you, So deal with it.

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<v Speaker 4>Can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>She's gonna hate me in a third row though, she's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna hate me from the third row. All right, let's

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<v Speaker 1>get into what would Sister Peg do our weekly segment

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<v Speaker 1>where we give you guys a organization, a book, a link,

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<v Speaker 1>more information or possibly donate. Concerning what we talked about today,

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<v Speaker 1>I was sort of inspired by like how like what

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<v Speaker 1>seems like the impossible? Sunshine felt like she couldn't get

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<v Speaker 1>out of sex work, like she wasn't, like she'd been

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<v Speaker 1>abused since she was young, and like just now or

2:20:00.160 --> 2:20:02.119
<v Speaker 1>felt like she could. I'm not saying everyone in sex

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<v Speaker 1>work has been abused and it's a choice people make,

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<v Speaker 1>but if she wanted to get out, she felt like

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<v Speaker 1>she couldn't get out. So I found this organization called Treasures.

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<v Speaker 1>So this group seeks to equip and empower those in

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much and next week's episode, We're Going

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<v Speaker 3>you so much.

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