Speaker 1: Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories.
Speaker 1: Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up, an
Speaker 1: SVU podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm Kara Klink and I'm Liza Traeger.
Speaker 2: We talk SVU, we talk crimes, we have celeb guests,
Speaker 2: and we chat up top catch up.
Speaker 3: What's up, bitch? What is a bitch?
Speaker 4: Not much?
Speaker 1: You're in Montreal. I'm meeting you there soon. Hi, Way,
Speaker 1: pack a suit? Pack a suit. Oh God, I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask you. Okay, there's a pool. Okay, I'm gonna pack.
Speaker 2: It's an indoor outdoor pool, but it might as well,
Speaker 2: you know, just in case I've already been to the
Speaker 2: pool one.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Okay, I'm gonna pack a suit. But it
Speaker 3: is weird.
Speaker 2: Like when I was young here, it was like party, party, party,
Speaker 2: and now I have like I'm like booked up, Like
Speaker 2: I have a schedule.
Speaker 3: I'm like being shuffled around. I have things to do.
Speaker 2: I'm on so many shows, and I'm just like it's
Speaker 2: cool to see growth in different things. And be trusted.
Speaker 2: But it is like I'm used to just getting fucked
Speaker 2: up all the time. Now I have to, like, you know,
Speaker 2: be somewhere at one thirty. It's kind of silly, like
Speaker 2: I'm working out of your office at a Montreal hotel. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm acting. I am embarrassing myself to the new faces.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely like, oh, and you should go here, and
Speaker 2: these elevators are easier, Like I'm being embarrassing.
Speaker 3: I'm excited.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: One of the kids in Rosie's class, her mom is
Speaker 1: like from Toronto and it's like Montreal my favorite city.
Speaker 3: She was like, I'll give you a list.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm there for like not even
Speaker 1: forty eight hours, Like, I don't.
Speaker 3: Know if I need a list. I didn't know you
Speaker 3: were that quick.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, baby, I'm like I get there tomorrow. I
Speaker 1: get their Thursday afternoon, and I leave Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 2: I did not know that. Yeah, I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: I thought we would have a Saturday night.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately it'll just be a Friday night. It'll just be
Speaker 1: a Friday nighttel Yes, yeah, no, no, I've just been
Speaker 1: texting with her about her show and I'm excited that
Speaker 1: we're gonna go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, proximity to Trixie Mattel will bring this festival to
Speaker 2: and eleven, like any sort of contact with Tricksy. Yesterday
Speaker 2: I fell asleep to a montage of best of Pitstop
Speaker 2: Tricksy hosting, and wow, it was like an hour ten compilation.
Speaker 1: I gotta watch that. That sounds like something i'd be.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a segue to get me into Pitstop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fun, fun, drag Queen's fun everything. Wait, did you
Speaker 3: hear the goss about drag Race?
Speaker 4: No, what's the goss?
Speaker 1: So the goss is apparently on this new season of
Speaker 1: All Stars with All Winners, they're not showing any negative critiques,
Speaker 1: but apparently the judges did give them negative critiques.
Speaker 3: This show just decided to.
Speaker 1: Cut them out, and I guess on like the third episode,
Speaker 1: Michelle said something negative to Raja, and Raja goes, who
Speaker 1: are you to judge me? Your only qualification for being
Speaker 1: up there is you're the host's best friend, damn. And
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, I'm of two minds. Raja's a queen,
Speaker 1: she can say whatever the fuck she wants. I completely
Speaker 1: support Raja. On the other hand, that is like an
Speaker 1: argument from like season three, four or five, Like at
Speaker 1: this point, Michelle Visage is a drag expert, like she
Speaker 1: also comes from the ballroom scene, Like I do think
Speaker 1: she knows how to judge drag, but I don't think
Speaker 1: she should come for Raja, who's been doing it like forever.
Speaker 2: Well, how did Michelle even respond to that? And is
Speaker 2: this inside scoop? Where is the scoop?
Speaker 4: Can?
Speaker 1: This has been written on blogs? So I don't really
Speaker 1: feel like I'm spoiling anything. Like somebody sent me the
Speaker 1: link to it yesterday. It was like on out dot
Speaker 1: com or something.
Speaker 3: I have to Trinity. Trinity spilled it.
Speaker 1: Trinity spilled the goss in an interview or like a
Speaker 1: podcast or some kind of live appearance.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, because the pit's like someone's one piece was saggy,
Speaker 2: and they did not talk about it. And that's when
Speaker 2: I realized, like, okay, so we're getting no negative so
Speaker 2: there were they just cut it all out.
Speaker 1: I think they decided that like the vibe was you know, positive, positive, positive,
Speaker 1: but also wildly All Stars Untucked is unavailable right now.
Speaker 4: You cannot find it anywhere.
Speaker 1: Oh when you got parted on Amazon and I am
Speaker 1: watching I'm watching it on my Amazon when you go
Speaker 1: to Paramount, okay, but streaming it if you go to
Speaker 1: Paramount or Amazon Paramount like any of that.
Speaker 3: It's only seasons two, three, and four of Untucked.
Speaker 2: I I'm watching it. Do you think I bought I
Speaker 2: probably bought it then. Yeah, I'm watching the Untucked this season.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: No, but so is my friend and she's like, it's
Speaker 1: not there anymore. I was seeing it on Paramount plus
Speaker 1: the app that I have, and it's not there anymore.
Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3: Whoa because I watched the Handa one.
Speaker 1: I mean, I you could be positive and also say
Speaker 1: you're the outfits saggy.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but I guess they get.
Speaker 3: It all about the details.
Speaker 2: I'm team Raja on this. It is like I'm glad
Speaker 2: she put Michelle in her place.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also get annoyed, like on on YouTube after any
Speaker 2: video pit stop or anything from Wow, it's Michelle Visage
Speaker 2: going hey, do you want to watch any gay shit
Speaker 2: go on?
Speaker 4: Here?
Speaker 1: And it's like you're not gay, Like, I don't understand
Speaker 1: why you're saying this.
Speaker 3: It's weird, that's geai shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah. If you want more gay shit, click here.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is kind of weird because it's like
Speaker 1: rup Paul doesn't really give you carte blanche to like
Speaker 1: say whatever you want.
Speaker 4: What do you mean?
Speaker 3: Proximity to RuPaul doesn't mean you're a gay man.
Speaker 1: Like you know, like no, I think sometimes she does
Speaker 1: annoy me and and I like that. Raja was like,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? I'm better than everybody.
Speaker 2: The only thing that Raja fucked up this season was
Speaker 2: her John Waters mustache or like the the Olivia Newton
Speaker 2: John mustage. I mean, this is getting way too inside.
Speaker 2: But other than that, Raja has slayed the competition.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think Raj has been amazing and I love her
Speaker 1: in testimonials. She's great and I think she could take
Speaker 1: real notes.
Speaker 2: I bet Michelle was being a bitch. Yeah maybe, but
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I have inside scoop coming,
Speaker 2: so hopefully we'll learn even.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can tell you something off Mike that
Speaker 1: Michelle did my season. I don't want to say it
Speaker 1: on here because I don't even know what I'm a know.
Speaker 1: I remember this, You've told me the okay, Oh I know,
Speaker 1: bitch too, we all know.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, oh oh.
Speaker 1: So I went to go see the Dixie Chicks and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I went to go see the Chicks formerly
Speaker 1: known as the Dixie Chicks a concert this week.
Speaker 3: It was awesome. It was so good. They sound so fucking.
Speaker 1: Awesome, and I would just like love them, but like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just this is just like my
Speaker 1: only gripe with the concert and with other concerts I've
Speaker 1: been going to. I want musicians to speak out about
Speaker 1: social issues. I want them to like say things, but
Speaker 1: every concert I go to there's just an artistic montage
Speaker 1: using all the names of dead black people, using all
Speaker 1: the names of dead kids that have been shot in
Speaker 1: school shootings, and the artists don't actually say anything. They
Speaker 1: just show this weird MTV music style thing. There's never
Speaker 1: a website, there's never like a go here and donate,
Speaker 1: there's never like a call to action. It's just like, hey,
Speaker 1: what's up, We're on your side, and it just feels
Speaker 1: like sort of an empty gesture.
Speaker 3: And for of all people, I was like.
Speaker 1: The Chicks, like I want to hear Natalie Maine say
Speaker 1: something about this, like she fucking speaks up for herself,
Speaker 1: Like why is she not just saying, like, hey, the
Speaker 1: gun problem in this country is psychotic, like go here
Speaker 1: to donate, go here, like sign a position on the screen.
Speaker 2: They could do one of those little codes and people
Speaker 2: can take photos and donate immediately.
Speaker 1: Anything, and it's like, this is your platform and doing
Speaker 1: these like you know, Baz Lureman style music video montages
Speaker 1: like that are designed to make people cry and make
Speaker 1: people be like, oh my god, what are we going?
Speaker 1: Like what's going on in this country? But let's be honest.
Speaker 1: You're at the Greek in Los Angeles. You've got most
Speaker 1: of these people on your side already. Let's do a
Speaker 1: call to action. Let's get something like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Let's do something people can like concretely do,
Speaker 1: or let's hear directly from the artists. That was my
Speaker 1: only thing. I was wondering if you had any thoughts
Speaker 1: because I know we've both been to a lot of
Speaker 1: concerts lately. I will say Backstory Boys did not touch
Speaker 1: on anything political, but like when I went to Pink,
Speaker 1: she did something like that, but it was just a video.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like she said anything, and it was like
Speaker 1: there was no call to action, and I just feel
Speaker 1: like it's kind of it's like a I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like lip service, but it
Speaker 1: just feels like they could just be doing a little
Speaker 1: bit more.
Speaker 2: I actually want musicians to talk the least amount as possible.
Speaker 2: They humiliate themselves constantly. Anytime they talk in between songs,
Speaker 2: it's like excruciating cringe.
Speaker 3: I am uncomfortable. Stop talking starts things.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, okay, that part, yes, But in terms of like,
Speaker 1: if you're going to bring up social issues, don't you
Speaker 1: think they should just like say their opinion instead of
Speaker 1: having this like generic music video that goes on and
Speaker 1: like using the names and like kind of exploiting the
Speaker 1: names of all these victims instead and then not saying.
Speaker 3: Go to every town, go to abortion funds dot org.
Speaker 1: Like you, you're talking about all these issues, but you're
Speaker 1: not giving anyone anything concrete to do.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's just kind of annoying me.
Speaker 1: But besides that ten out of ten amazing concert, The
Speaker 1: Chicks rule and it was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah I saw that Shicks years ago, but it was
Speaker 2: too drunk and don't remember anything except for crying. So
Speaker 2: and I'll always have my merch but that's yeah.
Speaker 1: No, they had They played like a nice mix of
Speaker 1: like old stuff, and I know I really love them
Speaker 1: because when they play new stuff I haven't heard, I
Speaker 1: still like listening to it. And sometimes when I go
Speaker 1: to bands, I'm like, eh, this is from the new
Speaker 1: album or whatever.
Speaker 3: But like, I really loved everything they did.
Speaker 1: And they did like a moment where they could place
Speaker 1: one of six songs and they had one of their
Speaker 1: little daughters come out and roll a big dice and
Speaker 1: like play the song that it was and it was cute.
Speaker 2: Well, so Casey Musgraves did that, but then she what
Speaker 2: someone picked. She went, I don't want to do that,
Speaker 2: and then sing something else anyways. Well I don't know
Speaker 2: if that's part of the game or not, but she
Speaker 2: was like, fuck that, I'm singing Dolly, and yeah, listen
Speaker 2: to the person.
Speaker 1: Everybody seemed to want this one song, and then they
Speaker 1: picked this other song, which is still a good one,
Speaker 1: but she.
Speaker 4: Goes, I don't know this one.
Speaker 3: Marty said this was going to.
Speaker 1: Be a barn burner, and then it kind of was fine,
Speaker 1: and so later she did an extra song because she goes.
Speaker 3: I feel bad about the barn burner.
Speaker 2: Like, so it was funny and can you see if
Speaker 2: they like each other?
Speaker 4: Still or not. It seems like they do.
Speaker 1: But you know what's crazy is that the other women
Speaker 1: are not miked. I don't think they don't talk. So
Speaker 1: Natalie's the only one that talks like she's the full
Speaker 1: star of the show. Like Marty and Emily do not
Speaker 1: talk really like a little bit. We sang Happy Birthday
Speaker 1: to one of their daughters and she took a video
Speaker 1: of it. Like, but they don't really talk. I thought
Speaker 1: there'd be a little bit more banter between them, so
Speaker 1: you can't really tell. But that's what I said. I
Speaker 1: lean over to my friend ago, you think they still
Speaker 1: like each other?
Speaker 2: Like well, the documentary and like them making the album
Speaker 2: with Rick Ruben and stuff, it felt like they really
Speaker 2: love each other and have a connection. But then I've
Speaker 2: heard from other friends, like their opinion is, of course
Speaker 2: the sisters are fucking pisted it Natalie, but they are
Speaker 2: still rich and successful, so it is tough.
Speaker 3: But like you know, I do know some people believe.
Speaker 4: That the sisters are still fucking pissed it Natalie. Interesting.
Speaker 1: Interesting, I was wondering the exact same thing as I
Speaker 1: was sitting there. I was like, do you think they
Speaker 1: were like shut your mouth because I haven't seen the
Speaker 1: doc or any of that stuff. But wait, you said
Speaker 1: you had something else to tell me. Oh so okay.
Speaker 1: So I thought that you would think this was interesting
Speaker 1: because I was listening to this podcast. I like Malcolm
Speaker 1: Gladwell's visionist history podcasts. I like it, and he was
Speaker 1: doing an inn. He was doing an episode about Will
Speaker 1: and Grace, one of my favorite shows of all time,
Speaker 1: and kind of about how Will and Grace had to,
Speaker 1: you know, bust through all of this sort of like
Speaker 1: bullshit to even get on the air. And it was
Speaker 1: kind of like a miracle that even got on the air.
Speaker 1: And then of course a lot of people didn't think
Speaker 1: it was like it was depicting gay people in a
Speaker 1: true way, but it was like this is kind of
Speaker 1: the only way we can do it on national television
Speaker 1: if you gotta to.
Speaker 2: Do baby, it was interesting shit on Will and Grace,
Speaker 2: now using the standards of what we like expect from television,
Speaker 2: but I think it's like a dumb take. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: like to not understand what that show did. Like, even
Speaker 2: if you feel like it's cheesy or fucked up or
Speaker 2: digs into stereotypes. Now, like you said, the fact that
Speaker 2: it got made. Was I bet they jumped through a
Speaker 2: lot of fucking.
Speaker 3: Hoops, a lot of fucking hoops.
Speaker 1: And prior to that, there had never been a show
Speaker 1: centered on a gay man, like never, like, so it.
Speaker 3: Was just like, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: So as I'm listening to it, they're talking to Max
Speaker 1: Muchnik and David Cohen, who are the ones who who
Speaker 1: created it, and you know, Malcolm Gladwell's giving their backstory
Speaker 1: and he's talking about how David Cohen's father was. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry his name is escaping me, but he was this
Speaker 1: famous late night television writer MERV Griffin show.
Speaker 2: All the weird name. I think it's like buzz or something.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it might be Buzz. Yeah, thanks silly.
Speaker 1: And he so he's this like he has upwards of
Speaker 1: twenty over twenty Emmys, and so I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: So he comes from a like Hollywood family, and I
Speaker 1: think so does Max Muchnik Well.
Speaker 3: Okay, like you know, and then they go and his
Speaker 3: sister also.
Speaker 1: Creates television, Jeni Cohen, and I was like, no way,
Speaker 1: Like I had no idea that Jeni Cohen was the
Speaker 1: sister of the creator of Will and Grace and was
Speaker 1: from like Hollywood Woralty, like grew up in the business,
Speaker 1: and it was just interesting to me because I really
Speaker 1: always thought that Jenji Cohen, like and by the way,
Speaker 1: in case you're like, who the fuck is talking about?
Speaker 1: Creator of Weeds, creator of Orange is the new Black,
Speaker 1: creator of all this like cool, I think, female centric,
Speaker 1: groundbreaking television.
Speaker 3: She's very talented, she's very smart.
Speaker 1: But I just couldn't believe that this is a person
Speaker 1: I thought just came out of nowhere. And it just
Speaker 1: made me realize that like everything is fucking nepotism, Like
Speaker 1: everyone is related to someone well.
Speaker 2: Because they hide it. Yeah, Like that is what is
Speaker 2: the most annoying. Just be real about it, Like I
Speaker 2: don't like the what is she supposed to do? She
Speaker 2: gets a job and she goes by the way, it's nepotism. No,
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know. And they are great shows.
Speaker 2: She's very good at what she does. We also we've
Speaker 2: probably talked about this, but no one ever gets mad
Speaker 2: about like if you go into a family business and
Speaker 2: any other business, like if you're an as a plumber
Speaker 2: and then you become a plumber and take care of
Speaker 2: the business, no one's like lock, look at that nepotism,
Speaker 2: you know, so you're supposed to go into the family business.
Speaker 2: So I understand if you grow up in Hollywood, you're
Speaker 2: gonna want to do Hollywood jobs.
Speaker 1: But I just bought. Yeah, they're so secretive about it.
Speaker 1: They're so secretive.
Speaker 2: They're so scared people are gonna think they don't deserve it,
Speaker 2: and that attitude makes this speel you don't deserve it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like there's all these people that I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've just been finding that out. I can't even think
Speaker 1: of like a good example right now where I.
Speaker 4: Don't have any epicism.
Speaker 2: I'm a true immigrant, Like I don't know, I'll always
Speaker 2: be like, well, my parents paid for college and that's yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't have any debt, or like my parents helped
Speaker 2: me get the first apartment in New York. They put
Speaker 2: down my broker feet or whatever, like there are things
Speaker 2: that help you that I don't understand why you can't.
Speaker 4: Just be like, well, I didn't have to pay five.
Speaker 2: Hundred dollars in student loan debt every month, and that
Speaker 2: gave me freedom to run around New York, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, just I can be grateful for
Speaker 2: these little little things I'm not saying I'm a hero.
Speaker 2: I just don't understand why rich people can't be like, well,
Speaker 2: I didn't have to pay rent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of started on I started on second
Speaker 1: you know, like I started on second base, Like.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make your product worse, Like I just I
Speaker 2: don't get it.
Speaker 3: If you're a rich nepotism kid, write us in, let
Speaker 3: us know.
Speaker 2: That's why Kate Hudson, it's like, yes, my mom is
Speaker 2: Goldie Hawn, I'm hot now I'm going to be an
Speaker 2: almost famous Get the fuck away from.
Speaker 4: Me that I like that.
Speaker 3: Tell to embrace that. Yeah, Lelly Collins being.
Speaker 2: Like I just auditioned and I got the show. No,
Speaker 2: you're a Philon's daughter. You're not a good actress. Get
Speaker 2: the fuck out of this business.
Speaker 1: And that's on period. Okay, let's start the episode. We
Speaker 1: have an awesome fucking episode today and an amazing guest
Speaker 1: that you guys are in for a real treat.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're doing Savior. That's season eleven, episode fourteen,
Speaker 2: and you know this is the Misha Barton episode. And
Speaker 2: I have to be honest, he acting ruins everything. She
Speaker 2: is a terrible actress. She does have a couple teary moments,
Speaker 2: but she's not a gifted actress. She did not go
Speaker 2: to Juilliard and that is and I'm sure you can
Speaker 2: guess she's not our guest, so I'm like truly dragging her.
Speaker 2: So it starts out a scantily clad woman in a
Speaker 2: red cropped bomber jacket is walking. There's cleavage, and a
Speaker 2: man is rapping as she walks, and she kind of
Speaker 2: giggles to herself, but she doesn't like in his lyrics.
Speaker 2: He calls her a bitch, and she says, I'm not
Speaker 2: your bitch. He grabs her and turns her around and
Speaker 2: says it's dangerous out here, and she looks startled, but
Speaker 2: he's like, I'll protect you.
Speaker 4: And he's a pimp and he.
Speaker 1: Wants her as a client, and she not a client.
Speaker 4: I don't know an employee.
Speaker 2: She responds, she has a man and she's all right,
Speaker 2: and she walks off, and it's revealed she's wearing a
Speaker 2: really shiny, cute like purple mini scarp and she adds
Speaker 2: to a car and starts chatting with a man who
Speaker 2: has a hard dick and ready to play, and she's
Speaker 2: into it and he motions her into the car and
Speaker 2: it's really creepy.
Speaker 3: We can't see his face. He's not talking. We're scared.
Speaker 2: She enters the car and then I also noticed she
Speaker 2: had like gold hurt.
Speaker 3: Hoops earrings, and I did love that.
Speaker 2: And then it cuts straight to her dead body and
Speaker 2: she has bloody cuts and bruises. Benson's crouched over the
Speaker 2: body and says a homeless man tripped on her.
Speaker 1: It's like such a wild detail. Stabler walks in and
Speaker 1: his badge.
Speaker 2: Is on his chain, and I love when their badges
Speaker 2: are like necklaces. And there's an imprint of a gun
Speaker 2: barrel on her head, and you know, rape strangulation. Her
Speaker 2: name on the idea is Abby Manion twenty two and.
Speaker 4: She lives in Soho.
Speaker 2: So if she lives there, what's she doing quote unquote
Speaker 2: hooking in a scuzzy place like this? Stabler ponders, and
Speaker 2: a lot of other things don't add up. She has
Speaker 2: a perfect like French manicure, she has amazing teeth. Something's off.
Speaker 2: They only trust you if you're a hooker, if you
Speaker 2: have terrible teeth. Aha, and uh oh, there's a homemade
Speaker 2: prayer card and it's just like the one they found
Speaker 2: on a victim last week and it's for it says
Speaker 2: arch angels Zadi kil who's a sad Ada or something,
Speaker 2: I don't know whatever, and it says, forgive them for
Speaker 2: their sins. You are thine Angel of mercy. Okay, and
Speaker 2: then they zoom onto the dead body one more time
Speaker 2: before the credits. So we're back from the credits and
Speaker 2: we're at the sixteenth Precinct. Stabler and Craigan are doing
Speaker 2: a walk and talk to the TV screen blackboard thing,
Speaker 2: and two sex workers have been murdered in the last
Speaker 2: two weeks with the same mo and signature and everything,
Speaker 2: Maggie Ortiz and Abby Manion. CSU says that the card
Speaker 2: is the same printer in paper stock, but it's really
Speaker 2: hard to trace, like where paper comes from, so they're
Speaker 2: not able to do that. And then they're like anything
Speaker 2: else in common with these girls, only that they were
Speaker 2: murdered on the same stroll.
Speaker 1: Benson comes running in to reveal that Melinda found fluids
Speaker 1: and Abby, Hell, yes, we got some evidence and we
Speaker 1: hope it's in the system.
Speaker 2: Stabler calls him a freak. Craigan calls him a religious freak.
Speaker 2: We're all on the same page. Yeah, I like the
Speaker 2: word freak. Yeah. So we get another quote from this
Speaker 2: arch angel bring to mankind from God the gift of
Speaker 2: compassion and stable of course Bible trivia king he fills
Speaker 2: in that this arch angel is the angel that stopped
Speaker 2: Abraham from killing his son Isaac. Do you know about this?
Speaker 2: You know about this is early in the Old Testament?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I think Abraham's suffering from schizophrenia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he uh burning.
Speaker 1: Bush tells him to Yeah, was it to kill his baby?
Speaker 3: Or is this where circumcision came from?
Speaker 1: Is this like chop off your baby, dick tip or
Speaker 1: was this killing your baby? I do not know, but
Speaker 1: I just I do remember the baby killing.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Didn't God kill one of his own sons too, Jesus?
Speaker 3: Well the main one?
Speaker 1: No, No, yeah, you're right. No, I was thinking of
Speaker 1: something different. I was thinking of something different. Well, I
Speaker 1: guess there's a new theory that it wasn't really Jesus
Speaker 1: and like someone switched spots with Jesus or something.
Speaker 3: I forgot who was telling me this. Might have been
Speaker 3: at a bar. I don't know, somebody switched spots with Jesus.
Speaker 2: I've been trying to get out there, guys. I've been
Speaker 2: leaving the house. I've been making plans. I've been hearing
Speaker 2: god'spiracy theories. I've been going to the dive bars. I've
Speaker 2: been saying hello to strangers.
Speaker 3: I love it. I've been getting sunburnt at the beach.
Speaker 2: Kragan's like, how is murdering sex workers showing mercy and
Speaker 2: Benson says maybe since they're sinners, he's saving them. So
Speaker 2: they're trying to understand this madman, and Stabler is still
Speaker 2: on the wavelength of like, she's not a hooker?
Speaker 4: Who is she? Who is she?
Speaker 2: We gotta find out. I feel like this changes nothing
Speaker 2: whether she's a sex.
Speaker 4: Worker or not.
Speaker 2: But Stabler is very committed to finding this out. They're
Speaker 2: at her apartment on Crosby Street and they're talking to
Speaker 2: a landlord and he looked familiar, and he is he's
Speaker 2: been in four other episodes, all his different people, so
Speaker 2: we stand. He says, there's a mix up. I already
Speaker 2: called the sheriff, so we don't need you. Are like
Speaker 2: what and he's like, oh, I'm evicting that little bitch,
Speaker 2: and he thinks that's why they're there, and they're like, no,
Speaker 2: she was murdered last night, and he does actually look
Speaker 2: really sad, and it's like, damn it, if the police would.
Speaker 1: Help, you would show up to help you with an eviction.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, I don't know how evictions work. I
Speaker 1: don't think the cops help you.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I think that's their favorite thing to do. Don't you
Speaker 2: remember when they were evicting a bunch of people in
Speaker 2: La they.
Speaker 4: Like loved it.
Speaker 3: Yeah you're right, Yeah they're right.
Speaker 2: They won't they cannot wait to kick the shit up
Speaker 2: people out of their house and then steal.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, you're right. I stand corrected. I sit corrected
Speaker 1: at my microphone.
Speaker 2: So Benson asked the landlord, like, who else didn't like her?
Speaker 2: And the all knowing landlord says, oh my god, so
Speaker 2: many people. She is a scammer. Maybe she played the
Speaker 2: wrong guy on the internet. She sells knockoffs and fake shit.
Speaker 2: And then Benson, are you know, classy, classy shopper. She
Speaker 2: starts gripping it, smelling it. She goes even stitching these
Speaker 2: are these are knockoffs? These are like two thousand dollars each.
Speaker 3: I love that thought.
Speaker 1: One events and side superpowers is that she like knows
Speaker 1: what's expensive shit and brands.
Speaker 3: Yes, like just the side things. She always knows.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure what she's do you think she's
Speaker 2: making one hundred grand a year no or less? I
Speaker 2: think so she's a single woman. Yeah, she's gonna diet. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's gonna have a pension, a nice retirement. She doesn't
Speaker 2: take time off, she's not traveling, she's working overtime.
Speaker 1: I've just never seen her with like a well, they
Speaker 1: probably can't do it on the show. They're not having
Speaker 1: her like have brand name and labels. But yeah, she
Speaker 1: seems like she chops up in her republic.
Speaker 4: No, but Neil Bear gave us the brand of that dress.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I forgot it was like a Hugo
Speaker 1: Boss dress or something. She said, Oh you said, but
Speaker 1: he told us it was expensive. God, I can't wait
Speaker 1: to talk to Marishka. I can't though, I can't.
Speaker 2: I have a fantasy of how I wanted to go
Speaker 2: and we're not there yet, and needs to be at
Speaker 2: her house.
Speaker 3: Okay on Long Island in the Hampton.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: The landlord is even more mad now he goes.
Speaker 1: You know what, she had all that expensive stuff and
Speaker 1: still didn't par rent.
Speaker 2: She was a fucking bitch and it's like she's dead,
Speaker 2: she's leave her alone, surplease. Stabler asks where did she
Speaker 2: get these deals, and he says her roommate Lyn Drexel.
Speaker 2: And they find her and she's working at a counter
Speaker 2: at a store and they drop like the box of
Speaker 2: goods on her desk and are like, what's up with these?
Speaker 2: And she's like yeah, I mean they sell them here.
Speaker 2: And they grill her and they talk about Abby and
Speaker 2: you can see she feels relieved, like, oh, maybe it's
Speaker 2: off me and it's her fault and they say we
Speaker 2: would love to talk to her, but someone killed her
Speaker 2: last night, and her vibe immediately shifts. She's upset, like,
Speaker 2: oh my god. And she has a good actress. I
Speaker 2: looked her up. Her name is Brita Woolf.
Speaker 3: I know her from Unreal.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, she was like the Christian, a Christian who's
Speaker 1: a lesbian who ends up being a lesbian.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: And I watched a movie on a plane recently called
Speaker 1: Mass and she's in it.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, do you ever see that on the Delta?
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: It's like two sets of parents meet at a church
Speaker 2: and you don't know what's happening, but basically one of
Speaker 2: them is a school shooter and the other one's kid
Speaker 2: got killed in this Wow, and so there's like a
Speaker 2: conflict resolution lady that comes and then this Brita Wool
Speaker 2: plays like the church helper and they sit in a
Speaker 2: room and just try to heal.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Martha Plimpton's in it, the one who lost her pinky
Speaker 2: on an early episode of SVO so Star Sudden.
Speaker 3: And is it Anno doud? I think she might be.
Speaker 1: She didn't lose her pinky, she was carrying around her
Speaker 1: dead sister's pinky.
Speaker 2: But yes, that's a funny Halloween costume, being a little
Speaker 2: pinky and is it block bag.
Speaker 3: And having to explain that to everyone?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we should do an Maybe we'll do
Speaker 1: an SVU costume idea.
Speaker 3: We might be in New York. I hope, Okay, all right,
Speaker 3: we're back. We're back. We're back. So what did I row?
Speaker 4: I wrote?
Speaker 2: I think she'll blow up. I'm like, who's blowing up?
Speaker 2: I think she's gonna have a long, great career, is
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. She starts giving them info but feeling stressed,
Speaker 2: and Stabler lens It leans in and is like, why
Speaker 2: are you sweating? She's like, wouldn't you be if you
Speaker 2: just found out your best friend died? He goes, no,
Speaker 2: I'd be crying, not sweating.
Speaker 1: Then he notices her idea on the desk and there's
Speaker 1: coke on it, and so she's.
Speaker 3: Like, all right, I love cocaine. Just Stabler like taste it.
Speaker 3: He like left her id or something, and he's like, coke.
Speaker 3: I just hate cocaine so much, and I wish I
Speaker 3: loved it.
Speaker 1: I know it doesn't do it. We've talked about this.
Speaker 1: It doesn't do anything for me.
Speaker 4: I just no. I just get a drip and I'm upset.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I just was hanging out with someone that's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm my best self at coke.
Speaker 1: Well she's sober now, but she was like she was
Speaker 1: like a bump in the morning and I was the best. Wow. Interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so whatever, she loves cocaine.
Speaker 2: So she starts talking because duh. So they walk outside
Speaker 2: to chat. She goes when the market was good, you know,
Speaker 2: they were partying every day. When the market went down,
Speaker 2: the coke habit kept getting bigger. So Abby had an
Speaker 2: idea to take a couple bags here and there and
Speaker 2: sell them online and then they were Then they started
Speaker 2: selling themselves and their bodies and for coke. And she says, well,
Speaker 2: once we found out the governor was spending thousands paying
Speaker 2: for sex, she was like, I can do that.
Speaker 3: And her friend said peace out bye.
Speaker 4: So basically like the one that act.
Speaker 1: Said I can sell my body and Brita Wool was like, no,
Speaker 1: not me, no, yes, oh exactly.
Speaker 4: That's what I thought.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and then she says, ah, She's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not an addict and Stabler this is quick.
Speaker 3: He goes, you just love the smell of cocaine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's an old thing, isn't it. Like
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like coke. I just like the
Speaker 1: smell of it for something like that. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I loved it. That was like a fun, little
Speaker 1: dirty dad joke.
Speaker 2: Benson gets a phone call and it's Melinda and they
Speaker 2: got to hit off the DNA. Do you know a
Speaker 2: Michael Gallagher And she says, yes, maybe she was seeing
Speaker 2: a guy named Mike who liked it when she licked
Speaker 2: his gun.
Speaker 3: So Bam Swat teams knocking down the door.
Speaker 2: There's two kids just playing on a puzzle and they
Speaker 2: start screaming for their mom. And then there's a woman.
Speaker 2: At first, I couldn't tell if it was like a
Speaker 2: wife or a mother of the house. Are higher like
Speaker 2: I didn't understand, but it is the wife of who
Speaker 2: they're looking for and the mother of those children.
Speaker 4: But she gave me nanny vibes? Did she?
Speaker 1: I thought it was a nanny because she's having like
Speaker 1: an apriton like I thought she was ananny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she also does like an amazing like acting
Speaker 2: moment where it's like funny when they ask her where
Speaker 2: he is and she just like points.
Speaker 4: Like I loved she nailed the point.
Speaker 2: And they run to get him and he's playing golf
Speaker 2: games with a big screen in his little playroom, she says,
Speaker 2: and he's like whoa, whoa, whoa, what's going on?
Speaker 4: He puts his arms up.
Speaker 2: Staylor brings him into the interrogation room and says, you
Speaker 2: love young hookers, don't you. So he's on the record
Speaker 2: because at twenty two he diddled.
Speaker 3: They used the word diddled. I don't use that word.
Speaker 1: I don't use it, but on his record, he was
Speaker 1: twenty two and he diddled a fourteen year old, Like
Speaker 1: who came up with that word? I feel like pedophiles
Speaker 1: came up with the word did it's gross? He said,
Speaker 1: She like, that's what that's what we should bleep. Is
Speaker 1: that one that's a kid?
Speaker 2: He said that she looked older and he prayed for
Speaker 2: forgiveness classic and he's like, but I was just a kid,
Speaker 2: and it's like you were twenty two.
Speaker 4: I just I fucking hate everybody.
Speaker 2: Then they showed the photos of the women and he
Speaker 2: says he doesn't know them, and it's impossible his sperm
Speaker 2: is inside them. And it's like DNA does not lie.
Speaker 2: When will people learn cops do lie? So I guess
Speaker 2: it's smart for him not to admit it. Sailor starts
Speaker 2: playing games with him and pushing him, and he's like, deny, deny, deny,
Speaker 2: and he asks where's your gun and he says, I
Speaker 2: don't have a gun. And then it cuts to the
Speaker 2: woman of the house and she goes, he got a
Speaker 2: gun three weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: But he would not commit.
Speaker 2: Murder, she says, and that he found God and turned
Speaker 2: his life around. When she met him, he was wild,
Speaker 2: but she brought him to her church, and you know,
Speaker 2: he channeled all that energy into building a business. And
Speaker 2: Benson's like, yeah, but temptation is like pretty strong, and
Speaker 2: it came up.
Speaker 4: And so she's like convincing this.
Speaker 1: Woman to speak, and then secretly presses a button under
Speaker 1: the desk to record her talking. Yeah, but that's ever
Speaker 1: happened before. Don't they just record all?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I thought they just recorded all of it.
Speaker 2: She's secretly taping this woman Watergate style, and she starts
Speaker 2: to confess that he wants to do things in the
Speaker 2: bedroom that she does not want to do, and he
Speaker 2: gave her clothes and said that like he wanted her
Speaker 2: to be a little whore and you know, and then
Speaker 2: she goes, he gave me underpants with a hole in them,
Speaker 2: and without missing a beat, Benson goes crotchless panties. Yeah
Speaker 2: we've heard, like okay, Benson, and she yells, well, that's disgusting,
Speaker 2: and Benson's like, don't kink shame she And then she
Speaker 2: calls him disgusting, like I'm the mother of children and
Speaker 2: he wanted me to do nasty, dirty things with my
Speaker 2: tongue and I totally thought it was like rim job,
Speaker 2: but it's just a bj Like, I.
Speaker 1: Just well, and she says later their mouth is not
Speaker 1: a receptacle for the seed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we know she's anti choice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they then they play this recording to the
Speaker 2: husband and she's anti blow job. She wants the seed
Speaker 2: right in her puss, and so he says, so my
Speaker 2: wife's approved. It's not a crime to want a little
Speaker 2: variety of my sex life. And Stabler's like, DNA doesn't lie.
Speaker 2: That's the gospel truth. And he knows he's gotten.
Speaker 1: And finally he gets up and walks to the window
Speaker 1: to start spilling the beans.
Speaker 4: And he tried to be a good man.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I just saw a meme today and
Speaker 2: it was like a man with all these beans on
Speaker 2: the floor and it said don't trust him.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but you loved it. So, I mean, we
Speaker 1: have not even met me. Sha Barton, I know is
Speaker 1: going on. Oh he tried to be a good man
Speaker 1: and husband, but he has a need.
Speaker 2: So he went online and that's where he met Abby
Speaker 2: and he loved it. There was no limit threesomes toys
Speaker 2: and they're like, eah, and she wanted to get murdered
Speaker 2: in an alley and he's like, He's like, I dropped
Speaker 2: her off there alive, and they're like, really, she asked
Speaker 2: to be dropped off at a random alley and he's like, yes,
Speaker 2: that's our thing, and and then they're like and you push,
Speaker 2: you know, your gun into her head and it left
Speaker 2: a bruce and he's like, she was into it.
Speaker 4: Leave us alone.
Speaker 2: And he keeps saying that it was part of their game,
Speaker 2: and that enrages Stabler and he's dragging the man through
Speaker 2: the squadron while handcuffed, to go look at the board
Speaker 2: with all the gruesome picks, and it's like you did this,
Speaker 2: and he looks worried and says, no, you gotta believe me.
Speaker 4: And he says he just wanted to have some fun.
Speaker 2: And he starts fully crying, and then Craigan interrupts him
Speaker 2: and goes another prayer card has just been dropped twenty
Speaker 2: minutes ago, but this victim is not dead. Done done.
Speaker 2: The man is crying so hard now. And now we
Speaker 2: cut to a scene I like, I mean, I think
Speaker 2: men should cry, But then I am laughing at this man.
Speaker 1: So standing next to a board of like violent crime
Speaker 1: scene photos, just.
Speaker 3: Like like sobbing into his hands.
Speaker 2: We cut to the scene of the new crime. A
Speaker 2: uniformed cop is like filling mariushka in. I haven't commented
Speaker 2: on her hair. Yet it is glorious, It's perfect. I
Speaker 2: think it's one of my favorite chiclong bob with a
Speaker 2: swoop bang.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is one episode after PC, I think, so
Speaker 1: it's the PC era.
Speaker 3: Do I give off a gay vibe?
Speaker 2: So the cop says, we're checking her out and it
Speaker 2: cuts to me Sha Barton in a leopard print fake
Speaker 2: for a coat. I have one of those and a
Speaker 2: red boled lip going on, and she goes, I was
Speaker 2: just snapping like I'm good, and Benson's like, yeah, he
Speaker 2: choked you out, and the other cop shows Benson a
Speaker 2: prayer card that was found in her purse. You hear
Speaker 2: a voice over loud over everything yelling don't tell them nothing, Sunshine,
Speaker 2: and she's like, can I go now? And Benson will
Speaker 2: obviously not let her go, and she wants to know
Speaker 2: what happened. She says nothing. She's like, what is that
Speaker 2: your pimp? And it pans to a man dressed like
Speaker 2: a pimp, so it is a pimp. He could also
Speaker 2: be a preacher or Cedric the entertainer. She now reveals
Speaker 2: she's sucking on a red blow pop and has glitternail polished.
Speaker 2: So they're really like showing you she's young. Benson calls
Speaker 2: her Sunshine too, so that's her name, Sunshine, not just like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Benson is pleading with her,
Speaker 2: someone tried to kill you. Help us find this person,
Speaker 2: and she's angsty and does not want to, and she's.
Speaker 4: Like, a dude, picks me up.
Speaker 2: And when I woke up, there were cops everywhere, and
Speaker 2: the pimps starts screaming while being held back by cops, like,
Speaker 2: cops don't give a damn about you, Sunshine, so shut
Speaker 2: your mouth. So Benson turns around sexy as hell and
Speaker 2: it's like, you need to shut your mouth before I
Speaker 2: put my fist through it. And the pimp is turned
Speaker 2: on and he's like, wow, I like that, and he
Speaker 2: calls her a feisty bitch. And then Misha Barton runs
Speaker 2: off and gets in a Black Town car and room room,
Speaker 2: and then Benson says like, damn nearly killed and back
Speaker 2: on the streets.
Speaker 4: In minutes.
Speaker 2: We're now back at the precinct and Stabler and Benson
Speaker 2: ask Ice how many sex workers are named Sunshine? And
Speaker 2: I guess the NYPD has an exact number, and Finn
Speaker 2: says there's fourteen sunshines in the sex Workers' Union, Like
Speaker 2: what are we talking about here?
Speaker 4: So they pin her asap.
Speaker 2: It's Gladys Dalton and she's got a record going way back.
Speaker 2: Her first arrest was aged ten. Why are we arresting
Speaker 2: ten year olds?
Speaker 1: I know? And it's like a cute little young picture
Speaker 1: of actual Misha Barton at ten, Like you're.
Speaker 3: Arresting at ten year olds?
Speaker 1: I know?
Speaker 4: What the fuck? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So it's theft age fourteen and seventeen for prostitution and
Speaker 2: she was taken at six from her mother and was
Speaker 2: in foster care for the rest of her youth. The
Speaker 2: address she gave on her last arrest was her aunt
Speaker 2: Seana Grant and then Murray Hill and they're like poor,
Speaker 2: but murray Hill's expensive, so I don't get it. But whatever,
Speaker 2: maybe it's like artists housing and they got a lead.
Speaker 3: They go to give her a visit.
Speaker 2: She's like what she do this time and is convinced
Speaker 2: they're there to arrest her, and they're like, no, we
Speaker 2: just want to talk to her and help her, and
Speaker 2: she goes, ah whatever. She's down the hall and Misha Barton,
Speaker 2: of course does not want to talk, and Benson's like,
Speaker 2: I just want to make sure you're okay, and she
Speaker 2: again says she's fine, and she shares a room with
Speaker 2: her two nieces, and Benson's like, shouldn't your pimp be
Speaker 2: taking better care of you? And it cuts to her
Speaker 2: aunt putting away dishes while having like, what are those
Speaker 2: called arm holding crutches?
Speaker 3: Support sticks? What are they called?
Speaker 2: Yes, she has a crutch, yeah, but the crutches are
Speaker 2: under the armpits. What are the ones that grasp again, No,
Speaker 2: it grasps onto your arm.
Speaker 4: Oh do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I think they're braces. I don't know, but the leg brace.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you know what they're called, I'm calling
Speaker 2: them holding arm holding crutches support sticks.
Speaker 3: So that's what we're talking about here.
Speaker 2: It's like the guy from something about Mary who's like
Speaker 2: faking being and.
Speaker 4: Shallow.
Speaker 1: How listen, these arms sticks are making their way through.
Speaker 2: Cinema and television and we don't know what they're called.
Speaker 2: Forearm crutches. Casey, thank you for arm crutch or arm crutch?
Speaker 2: Oh we did it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'm shocked that no one knew though, neither
Speaker 3: of them. No, no, I was like a break a cane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like we were playing s categories or something.
Speaker 1: You were like, I got it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So now that we know what those sticks are called,
Speaker 2: and I will continue to call them sticks. So Stabler,
Speaker 2: you know, she says, pimp. Oh no, no, no, no, she
Speaker 2: works at a night club. So the aunt is either
Speaker 2: like purposely lying or is like delusional thinking that Gladys
Speaker 2: works at a nightclub and Stabler is blowing her cover.
Speaker 3: So we don't know what's happening. But the ant's not
Speaker 3: a good person.
Speaker 2: And the Ant's like, listen, she had a tough life,
Speaker 2: and so I let her live with me at eighteen,
Speaker 2: and Stabler's like, yeah, to help pay for shit? You're
Speaker 2: not a good person, and she says, yeah, she helps
Speaker 2: me out, So what I have ms okay. And so
Speaker 2: then Stabler hits her hard and says, so you let
Speaker 2: her flat? We oh, not physically hits her, just with words.
Speaker 2: Fuck Staylor backhands her real hard. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: No. He like drags her through the mud and says,
Speaker 1: so you let her flat back for your meal ticket?
Speaker 1: And she says, don't you judge me, and that her sister,
Speaker 1: Gladys's mother is dead and she promised to take care
Speaker 1: of her and she's doing her best, and they cut
Speaker 1: back to Mischa Barton, who says that she takes care
Speaker 1: of herself and Benson's like, yeah, and everyone else it
Speaker 1: seems like, you know, you take care of your.
Speaker 4: Cousin, your aunt, your pimp.
Speaker 2: And Benson is like, I want to help and it's
Speaker 2: true this time, and she says, oh, yeah, well I
Speaker 2: dropped out of the eighth grade, so what my god?
Speaker 2: So I do what I gotta do. And it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: we got it. You dropped out of the eighth grade.
Speaker 2: Such heavy handed writing, I can't, so I do what
Speaker 2: I gotta do. It's like she was speaking normally just
Speaker 2: a moment ago, and all of a sudden she turned
Speaker 2: into like a weird little ragamuffin, and Benson is just
Speaker 2: pleading like please, like I just want to help you,
Speaker 2: and Gladys is not buying it. And we find out
Speaker 2: that the pimp's name is Marmalade love that what I
Speaker 2: don't love is he did follow her home from school,
Speaker 2: and you know, they dated and then treats you like
Speaker 2: a queen, and so Benson is like, I know what's up,
Speaker 2: you know, like, oh, so you started dating? He treats
Speaker 2: you like a queen and she goes, yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 2: would take me to Macy's and buy me whatever I wanted.
Speaker 2: And she was in love. And then they started having
Speaker 2: sex aka rape. She is a child.
Speaker 1: And then he made her fuck her friends and then
Speaker 1: she started crying and then everyone's crying. He beat her
Speaker 1: and now this is her life as a hoe and
Speaker 1: she's his hoe. And he said, if you're gonna fuck,
Speaker 1: might as well get paid for it.
Speaker 4: And that's so.
Speaker 2: Then Benson shifts to ask like, what did this last
Speaker 2: guy look like?
Speaker 4: And she doesn't know.
Speaker 2: They all look the same after a while, and she asked,
Speaker 2: did he say anything to you? And he did and
Speaker 2: it was like super creepy and religious, and he goes,
Speaker 2: are you ready to meet your father?
Speaker 3: And she says she will never forget that voice.
Speaker 2: And she says that another one of her sex worker
Speaker 2: friends named Spud, and I kept thinking I misheard it,
Speaker 2: but it is Spud.
Speaker 1: Okay, it is fun because I think I saw it
Speaker 1: with the captions on and what a name?
Speaker 3: What street winded? Multiple times?
Speaker 1: I went on IMZB and her name is Spud and
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I think it's like because she's
Speaker 1: really little, Like, don't you call Spud like a little guy?
Speaker 3: Like a spud?
Speaker 1: It's a potato, I know, but I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think it may be because she's like maybe the youngest
Speaker 1: in the group or something.
Speaker 2: And it reminds me of like Pumpkin from Flavor flav
Speaker 2: It's just like kind of Pumpkin's coming cute. Spud is
Speaker 2: a wild choice. Put is wild, but her name is Spud.
Speaker 2: You are hearing that. So basically, this girl Spud met
Speaker 2: him and heard that little thing and like the father quote,
Speaker 2: and was like, get the I'm getting out of here.
Speaker 3: So she ran away. What freaked around? She got away?
Speaker 2: So they go to talk to Spud at Pat's Diner
Speaker 2: and we're here, and so they're like, some shine needs
Speaker 2: to keep her mouth shut, right Spud?
Speaker 3: And Spud looks fourteen, so young.
Speaker 2: And then this older lady's with her, coaching her on
Speaker 2: what to say, and she says, I kind of like
Speaker 2: talking to people, so it's fine, and she starts talking,
Speaker 2: but then the pimp, Marmalade, walks in and they stop
Speaker 2: talking immediately, and Benson and Stabler walk up to Marmalade
Speaker 2: and go, that girl is twelve, and he says, I
Speaker 2: don't know her, and if you ask, she'll say that too,
Speaker 2: And Benson says, one of them will talk, and then
Speaker 2: your sweet jelly is going to be all over prison
Speaker 2: And is that jizz or blood?
Speaker 1: I think his name is Marmalade? I know, but so
Speaker 1: are people going to punch him in his blood? Is
Speaker 1: the jelly or is he gonna like that's a great question.
Speaker 1: Is this like an ejaculate joke? But if he's getting assaulted,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you'd be coming. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 4: You're right, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that, Lisa, And that's why
Speaker 1: you're a good podcast partner, because you're by goes places mind.
Speaker 3: Doesn't you didn't think what the swide elly is.
Speaker 1: I just thought, oh, she's making a Marmalade joke, and
Speaker 1: I moved on like whatever. Maybe he'll just be like
Speaker 1: your ass is grass, Like, yeah, you're gonna be squolished.
Speaker 1: But I think I would need a dog named Marmalade. Okay,
Speaker 1: they'll be like, oh, do you love jam? I'll be like, no,
Speaker 1: it's actually a pimp. From a sad episode of Best.
Speaker 3: For You Season eleven.
Speaker 4: Do you remember.
Speaker 2: Spud walks over to Stabler and says, if you ever
Speaker 2: need a girl for a party, call me.
Speaker 3: I love cops and I thought she said cops. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I get I bet the cop and so.
Speaker 2: But then she slides over a napkin to him and
Speaker 2: Spud is on top of it. There's a drawing of
Speaker 2: the creepy preacher man and it says him just in
Speaker 2: case they thought it was a random drawing that and that.
Speaker 2: He drives a red Buick and Finn brings up a
Speaker 2: bunch of papers and Benson brings in more papers.
Speaker 4: They have lots of papers.
Speaker 2: They're like, we're gonna look at these papers for months,
Speaker 2: but don't worry. Stabler's on the phone and we're gonna
Speaker 2: get something good. And it was Spud, and Spud said
Speaker 2: that the red Buick is circling around, so they enter
Speaker 2: the red Buick in the middle of an intense struggle.
Speaker 2: They take his ass out and arrest him, and he
Speaker 2: starts talking shit about the Bible.
Speaker 1: Not you know, Bible shit. He loves the Bible. He's
Speaker 1: not talking shit about the Bible.
Speaker 2: And the sex worker is screaming and is very happy
Speaker 2: to be saved, and she says she told him to
Speaker 2: whip it out and he took out a Bible and
Speaker 2: she's like that fucking freak. And so, yeah, he started
Speaker 2: talking about the meeting of the Father, so she cut
Speaker 2: his ass and he goes, see, she attacked me, and
Speaker 2: it's like, we don't care what piece of work. And
Speaker 2: this guy's Lee Turguson and Margaret Show could not stop
Speaker 2: talking about him when we interviewed her.
Speaker 4: She loves him.
Speaker 2: They are friends, and also he's been on OZ duh
Speaker 2: of course, one of the main characters of OZ. And
Speaker 2: I wonder if, like Maloney and him had a good
Speaker 2: time and I imagine them going, I love playing with
Speaker 2: him their.
Speaker 1: Lovers on the show, right, oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: they'd be fucking yeah.
Speaker 2: So I wonder if they were just like so excited
Speaker 2: to be Thespians again tether. So they're in interrogation and
Speaker 2: Stabler is telling him, yeah, she cuts you because you
Speaker 2: caged her in your car, and he's like, I only
Speaker 2: did that so she sat long enough to hear the message.
Speaker 2: And Stabler's like, yeah, you guys always have a message,
Speaker 2: don't you.
Speaker 3: And he says, well, it's not my message.
Speaker 2: It's God's and he thinks there's a better life for
Speaker 2: girls like that in heaven and Stabler calls him God's
Speaker 2: little messenger boy, and it's like, that's fun. He says,
Speaker 2: God put him on earth to fight Satan's grip on
Speaker 2: these girls' souls, and he says, sometimes.
Speaker 4: Dying is better than living. Very gen z.
Speaker 2: Stabler says, did you just admit you killed these girls?
Speaker 2: And he says, no, I've never harmed a soul. But
Speaker 2: whoever did this to the sent these girls to heaven
Speaker 2: out of love and it's not murder. He grabs Stabler
Speaker 2: and puts his hand on his shoulder and does a
Speaker 2: prayer for God and like they it's weird. They put
Speaker 2: their foreheads together and they started doing Catholic quotes back
Speaker 2: to each other and it's will they kiss.
Speaker 1: Feels like an Easter egg for the os It's yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know they talk about forgiveness and he wants
Speaker 1: the confession.
Speaker 2: But the guy says, I have nothing to confess, Detective,
Speaker 2: but I'm willing to forgive and that's why I won't
Speaker 2: press charges against that little angel who cut me. And
Speaker 2: he says, well, that little angel won't be so forgiving,
Speaker 2: and we go straight to the lineup with Misha and
Speaker 2: Marishka getting you know her in the zone, and then
Speaker 2: Buchanan comes in, so we know he's about to fucking
Speaker 2: fuck some shit up, and he's like, nobody will believe
Speaker 2: this teen whore. Then he starts playing mind games with her. Oh,
Speaker 2: I don't think they'll arrest you, and she's like, wait,
Speaker 2: what why would they arrest me? And he's like, you're
Speaker 2: a prostitute and she's like, is he telling the truth?
Speaker 2: And they go no, no, no, and he goes copsly all
Speaker 2: the time, gladys, and they get pissed and yell one
Speaker 2: and then it's like, yell one more thing and you'll
Speaker 2: be collared for intimidation of a witness, bitch, and Misha
Speaker 2: Barton's like, I don't think I can do this, and
Speaker 2: Benson pressures her to do it. And the men, you know,
Speaker 2: they meet your father, they do a quote, they do
Speaker 2: a quote, but then Lee Turgison just stares into the
Speaker 2: mirror and he goes closer and closer, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I thought you couldn't see me. It's really scary, and
Speaker 2: then he's you know, Catholic nonsense. So he's doing some
Speaker 2: Bible hell talk and moving closer and closer, and so
Speaker 2: then she yells it's him and starts to run away,
Speaker 2: as you know, as he continues to mouth off, and
Speaker 2: she runs and falls down the stairs in some of
Speaker 2: the worst acting I've ever seen, and then Benson notices
Speaker 2: that she's pregnant.
Speaker 4: Oh, no, done done.
Speaker 2: We're in the hospital with doctor Manning ak Emir Aarison,
Speaker 2: who's big on Blacklist, but he's in nine episodes of
Speaker 2: s You.
Speaker 3: He's played two different doctors.
Speaker 2: And he tells the detectives that she'll be okay, and
Speaker 2: so will the fetus. The fetus is twenty four weeks
Speaker 2: and healthy, and Stabler is hoping that this is what
Speaker 2: she needs to turn her life around, and Benson needs
Speaker 2: to talk to her, and the doctor is like, absolutely not.
Speaker 3: She needs to rest, and they're like, we need to
Speaker 3: talk to her.
Speaker 2: And he goes tomorrow and he puts his foot down
Speaker 2: and I love that, you know.
Speaker 1: Ye how he could tell that the fetus is healthy.
Speaker 1: You need to do like a full anatomy scan to.
Speaker 4: Figure that out.
Speaker 1: It's a long invasive appointment. You can't just do an
Speaker 1: ultrasound um to be fully sure that it's okay. I'm
Speaker 1: just wondering because down the road we know that it
Speaker 1: has a lot of problems, so like, what happy you know?
Speaker 3: So anyway, yeah, I'm just wondering.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, without like a formal id from her though, they
Speaker 2: got to let this guy go. And Stabler's like, ah,
Speaker 2: Cabot will figure it out. So we got cut straight
Speaker 2: to arraignment and we have Judge Linda Maskin in the
Speaker 2: house today with a gorgeous up to and Cabot and
Speaker 2: Buchanan go at it and skags that's Lee. Turgison is like,
Speaker 2: I'm a servant of God, and nobody cares, and the
Speaker 2: judge holds him in remand without bail.
Speaker 4: She does not care.
Speaker 2: And back to Benson and Sailer at the hospital and
Speaker 2: they're telling Gladys.
Speaker 3: The good news and that he'll be off the streets.
Speaker 2: She says thanks, and she says she feels awesome and
Speaker 2: that everyone at the hospital is so nice, and she's
Speaker 2: going to make an appointment for her pregnancy and she's
Speaker 2: taking vitamins and she's super excited. And Benson's like, but
Speaker 2: you understand, you have to make big changes in your
Speaker 2: life if you want to keep this baby. And she's like, yeah, duh,
Speaker 2: and I want to keep the baby. And Stabler's like, well,
Speaker 2: if you change your mind, we'll help you put the
Speaker 2: baby for adoption. And she's like, I want to keep it.
Speaker 2: And he goes, are you sure I can do not
Speaker 2: want her to keep this baby? And she says, I
Speaker 2: want to do life and this is my way to
Speaker 2: get it. And Stabler are very smart. I actually like
Speaker 2: I agree with him here. He says, no, you're giving
Speaker 2: life to the baby and not the other way around.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I think this happens a lot.
Speaker 1: Like people that have had tough lives, they say sometimes
Speaker 1: they think like having a baby, it's like making your
Speaker 1: own family, Like, oh, I haven't had love, so I'm
Speaker 1: going to create something that unconditionally loves me. And but
Speaker 1: don't think through all the other hardships of having a child.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she says, I'm going to be a good and
Speaker 2: I love that. Stabler's like, your life's gonna change, and
Speaker 2: it's like, your life has not changed. Do you even
Speaker 2: take care of your children? Like you work sixteen hour days?
Speaker 2: Like what are you talking about.
Speaker 3: Kathy Stabler's life change?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she says, I'm going to be a good mom,
Speaker 2: I promise, and that she already loves the baby, and
Speaker 2: uh oh.
Speaker 3: The ants in the doorway, and she's pissed.
Speaker 2: She's like, what baby, and she's accusing her of lying,
Speaker 2: and she's screaming at her for hiding it and lying,
Speaker 2: and she's like, you don't even know who the father is,
Speaker 2: and Benson says, I think Gladice needs your support, and
Speaker 2: she turns around evil and goes, you need to stay
Speaker 2: out of our family business.
Speaker 4: Who's gonna feed this baby or pay for stuff? Will you?
Speaker 4: I didn't think so, And.
Speaker 1: Get your doot and get your do goody asses out
Speaker 1: of here?
Speaker 3: Did she say do goody asses?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: An you think I wrote that? You thought you thought
Speaker 1: that was an original Liza statement? Do goody asses? Did
Speaker 1: she say do gooder?
Speaker 3: I don't know who knows.
Speaker 2: They slowly turn around and leave, and they're back at
Speaker 2: the priestinct having some coffee and they're like, damn, what
Speaker 2: are the odds this baby will have a normal life?
Speaker 2: And he says define normal and he thinks the baby's
Speaker 2: only chance at a good life is if she puts
Speaker 2: it up for adoption. But it's like, this is a mess.
Speaker 2: But at least we got his ass locked up. Then
Speaker 2: Cabot walks in right on time to say not so fast.
Speaker 2: Upon further review, the judge dismissed the lineup. She's calling
Speaker 2: for a weight hearing so Gladys can make an official
Speaker 2: ID and she has to do it and if she
Speaker 2: fucks it up, then he goes free and kills more women.
Speaker 2: So Cabot said, that's why I needs you to go
Speaker 2: become her best friend. And they go and the aunt
Speaker 2: opens the door and Gladys is not there and she
Speaker 2: has no idea when she'll be back, and Benson's holding
Speaker 2: like a baby gift in a festive gift bag, and
Speaker 2: the aunt tries to close the door and Benson pushes
Speaker 2: it open says did you kick a pregnant girl out
Speaker 2: on the street? And she says I gave her every chance,
Speaker 2: and Benson is like, you gave her a lousy sofa
Speaker 2: as long as she could pay your rent. She yells
Speaker 2: that she has two kids of her own and disability.
Speaker 2: It doesn't pay much, Like, how do you want me
Speaker 2: to pay for a baby, and she says.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe not abandoned, Gladys.
Speaker 4: I don't know, bitch, figure it out.
Speaker 2: So then the aunt in her stepmother evil fashion says
Speaker 2: she makes her own decisions and the moment she decided
Speaker 2: to get into that pimps car, and Benson screams, she
Speaker 2: was twelve years old. Have you ever heard of breaking
Speaker 2: a bitch? And she's pleading with this woman and is like,
Speaker 2: come on, she has a chance with you. The pimp
Speaker 2: took away everything she has been dependent on him, like
Speaker 2: let's do this. Let's help Gladys, Let's let's do it.
Speaker 2: And she says, I love her, but I was at
Speaker 2: the end of my rope. But I do think she
Speaker 2: feels guilty, and then she gives a little clue and
Speaker 2: she says she was on her computer before she left.
Speaker 2: So now we head over to Joel de la Fuente
Speaker 2: aka Ruben Morales aka Taaro. So they see that she
Speaker 2: put an ad up on Craigslist. Tabler is like same
Speaker 2: place you can buy a used lawnmower, and Benson says,
Speaker 2: or a woman and probably for cheaper, not good. And
Speaker 2: her post says adds sunshine to your night. There's a
Speaker 2: message from Red Hook, so they go to Red Hook.
Speaker 2: They open the door. It's two stoner men. One is
Speaker 2: Henry Zebrowski and the other is another man and you
Speaker 2: know Henry personal Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Henry's old Pala Mine from New York and he
Speaker 1: has a podcast that does true crime and stuff called
Speaker 1: Last Podcast on the Left. They talk about I think
Speaker 1: they talk about true crime, but also like alien stuff.
Speaker 1: Also like it goes a little bit wider than true crime.
Speaker 1: But they're really funny, those guys. Yeah, super funny. I
Speaker 1: think we have some crossover. I think some of you
Speaker 1: guys like Last Pod.
Speaker 2: And they have a giant bong that voice and they're like,
Speaker 2: we ordered pizza, not a woman. And the detectives go
Speaker 2: to search more of the apartment and she's there and
Speaker 2: barely conscious and a leopard print nighty or like a
Speaker 2: bra and they're like, what the fuck and a stoner
Speaker 2: guys say that like they thought she left after they
Speaker 2: banged her. And then there are liquids everywhere. Fuck her
Speaker 2: water broke. We need a bus. And then she starts seizing.
Speaker 2: Eyes rolled back in her head, and I thought, I
Speaker 2: bet she thought she nailed the scene.
Speaker 1: She I will say, that's the best thing that SJ.
Speaker 1: Barton did in the scene, was her eyes really did
Speaker 1: roll back? Yeah, yeah, yeah, good job. And I do
Speaker 1: hope those stoners go to jail. Yeah for solicitation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we wasn't legal at the time. Like, I just hope
Speaker 1: they get put away because they truly like obviously fucked,
Speaker 1: like they did something bad to her for her to
Speaker 1: water have broke or can your water just break? I
Speaker 1: think your water can just break. I think the problem
Speaker 1: was like the pregnancy was like not, It's crazy because
Speaker 1: I think she's only like three months along. I don't
Speaker 1: even know if like you have water yet.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know. It's like it's confusing.
Speaker 2: We have another doctor from earlier, and so it's not
Speaker 2: that guy. We get doctor Franz. Who is Elizabeth Marvel
Speaker 2: aka Linda Calhoun. Yep, Rita Calhoun. Rita why did Linda
Speaker 2: I don't know. So it's Rita Calhoun. So that's really exciting.
Speaker 2: And I always saw her as like being in the
Speaker 2: show for so long as Rita Calhoun, I forgot that
Speaker 2: she Yeah, up until eleven was like playing a weird
Speaker 2: doctor and.
Speaker 1: In an episode like with Buchanan, I kind of think
Speaker 1: of them as like the same class of like evil
Speaker 1: defense attorneys. Yeah, she must come back, like the following
Speaker 1: we should look but when she comes back as Rita.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope we can get her for this podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm really obsessed with her. What if we got her
Speaker 2: just for this one? When she plays a doctor for
Speaker 2: one second, she explains Misha has a grand Oh god, Okay,
Speaker 2: So she explains that Misha is a Grandmule seizure brought
Speaker 2: on by pre clampsia with brain edema, and Stabler like,
Speaker 2: you and I are like English, please, And basically blood
Speaker 2: pressure was super high and so they had to do
Speaker 2: a sea section and the baby's four months early and
Speaker 2: barely weighs a pound.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the baby has lots.
Speaker 2: Of issues and there's gonna be like so much surgery
Speaker 2: and months in the Nike you and the chance to
Speaker 2: live is seventeen to forty percent. Stabler says it's worth it,
Speaker 2: and the doctor goes, I disagree, and Stabler goes, it's
Speaker 2: murder and she says, no, this baby will be blind,
Speaker 2: cerebral palsy, severe mental retortation. You think that's good, like
Speaker 2: Stabler anti choice Catholic adoption vibes, and it's like, why
Speaker 2: don't you adopt the baby?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 4: Why don't you do that?
Speaker 2: But he says, you don't know, maybe a baby can
Speaker 2: live a normal life. And she says, it's slim chances, bro,
Speaker 2: and I'm a doctor. So then they ask if Gladys knows,
Speaker 2: and the doctor says, like I told her, but sometimes
Speaker 2: it takes a while to sink in what's happening. Now,
Speaker 2: me shows with the baby who's in the plastic baby
Speaker 2: emergency holder thing.
Speaker 4: Do you know what that one's? Thanator? Okay? I thought
Speaker 4: in Cuba.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved having baby chicks in first grade. We
Speaker 2: had like an incubator with eggs, and then we had all.
Speaker 4: These chicks in the claust. That's so cute.
Speaker 3: God, miss Ardell love you okay. And then two of
Speaker 3: the baby chicks got to go on The Bachelor. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then sometimes during class they would like escape their
Speaker 2: little cage and there would be like little chicks walking around.
Speaker 4: It's so cute.
Speaker 1: Misha's I loved first grade. Guess how many jellabeans are
Speaker 1: in a jar? That was fun. Yeah, it only goes
Speaker 1: chat like like read a book.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It was the first grade was nice. Okay.
Speaker 2: So Misha's with the baby who's in a plastic baby
Speaker 2: and an incubator, and she calls the baby a miracle,
Speaker 2: but hasn't named her yet. She wants to pick the
Speaker 2: right name and then take her home, and Benson's like
Speaker 2: that might not be for a long time, and she goes,
Speaker 2: I'm not worried, She'll be fine, and Benson's like, what
Speaker 2: if she's not?
Speaker 4: What then?
Speaker 2: And Benson starts to plead with Misha, like she can't
Speaker 2: suck or swallow on her own, And I think those
Speaker 2: are wild actions to pick from all the actions to
Speaker 2: talk to us like a sex worker, be like, your
Speaker 2: baby won't suck or swallow?
Speaker 1: And it's like, could you have thought of something different?
Speaker 1: Like I there's other things you could have said? She
Speaker 1: asks if she thinks the baby is suffering. Benson answers,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Misha's like, she can't die. She can't.
Speaker 1: I told them to do whatever it takes to save her.
Speaker 1: But it's also like, okay, medical bills. And then Benson
Speaker 1: walks in and says to Stabler and anyone else who's
Speaker 1: around that she's gonna do everything she can to save
Speaker 1: the baby, and Saylor says, like, do no harm. And
Speaker 1: it's like, do you want to join Lee.
Speaker 2: Turguson and read scripture to girls and then bully them
Speaker 2: into doing what you want, like stay out of it, Stabler.
Speaker 2: And so Benson and Stabler have a back and forth
Speaker 2: and Stabler says, well, you're not a parent, so you
Speaker 2: don't get it. And then Benson's like, because I'm not
Speaker 2: a mother, I don't care about this baby. And he
Speaker 2: says that's not what he meant, and it's like, it
Speaker 2: is what you meant. Yeah, it's absolutely what you meant,
Speaker 2: and he loves to do that shit.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and the whole thing is like.
Speaker 2: Being a parent makes you care about other babies lists
Speaker 2: because you care about yours the most, Like that's the
Speaker 2: whole point.
Speaker 3: It's like, no, that's what parenthood is.
Speaker 1: That's why I think that's why people are so into
Speaker 1: keeping a nuclear family, because you are, like, I care
Speaker 1: about my family, and that's why they let like, if
Speaker 1: we cared about all the.
Speaker 3: Kids, kids wouldn't be at the border, kids wouldn't be places.
Speaker 1: But people care about I have found I've always loved kids,
Speaker 1: and I found since I had kids, I'm more affected
Speaker 1: by like stories about mistreatment of kids or kids or anything.
Speaker 3: I care more about other kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like the thing of like our friends,
Speaker 2: like buying a house in a different neighborhood to not.
Speaker 3: Do the school set.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, because you don't care about another kids. You
Speaker 2: want your kid to have the best bet.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 1: And so well, it's also kind of like at Rosie's
Speaker 1: birthday party, who stay who brought the best gifts? The
Speaker 1: people without kids, who stayed late to help put the
Speaker 1: chairs away and help you clean.
Speaker 3: Up, the people without kids.
Speaker 2: When you have kids, you focus on your kids. And
Speaker 2: so to like tell Olivia she wouldn't care about this baby,
Speaker 2: especially all the work that she does at the police.
Speaker 3: Station, it's like, go fuck yourself. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: But then she brings Eli into the discussion, which if
Speaker 2: this was the Real Housewives, there would be a full
Speaker 2: physical altercation.
Speaker 3: Not talk about the kids, and.
Speaker 2: They don't understand analogies in the Real Housewives universe. So
Speaker 2: it's like, to bring Eli into the discussion, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, oh my god. But he says I
Speaker 2: wouldn't uh. He basically says I wouldn't play god. And
Speaker 2: she says, then don't play doctor either, and Cabot walks
Speaker 2: in to break the tension, and she says, let me
Speaker 2: guess the baby.
Speaker 4: I mean, I just wonder what.
Speaker 2: Elliott would actually do because it has any had moments
Speaker 2: of compassion where he does like let the kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what about that guy like kidnapped his own
Speaker 1: baby because the baby was like gonna like was in
Speaker 1: pain and having a horrible death, but the guy wanted
Speaker 1: to take him off. I think the father wanted to
Speaker 1: keep him on and the mother wanted to take him
Speaker 1: off of life support. And I think it's stay Blene
Speaker 1: that one. I don't know, they've had issues like this before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the Taysacs episode, Yes, like they killed their they
Speaker 1: ended their baby's life because they were like, the baby's
Speaker 1: only going to be in pain and have.
Speaker 4: A horrible life.
Speaker 2: So I know someone like would stable keep like a
Speaker 2: Taystocks baby in pain.
Speaker 1: Like what happens when like you do go to the
Speaker 1: hospital and you're a sex worker with no money and
Speaker 1: they're like this is going to require millions of dollars
Speaker 1: of surgery? Does the hospital do it knowing they can't
Speaker 1: pay for it?
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know because I've heard stories of like people
Speaker 2: getting turned away from hospitals because they don't have insurance
Speaker 2: and then like dying on the street.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like I don't know what the ethical
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: Know what happens because I mean I had to put
Speaker 1: a credit card down for my birds, you know, like
Speaker 1: if my insurance didn't pay for it, they probably would
Speaker 1: have charged my card or something.
Speaker 3: Your births, my birds. Yes, it sounded like birds, but
Speaker 3: I knew you were talking about your births, but it
Speaker 3: was when I brought my birds to the hospital.
Speaker 2: But also going back to the parent thing, like even
Speaker 2: when I would babysit, like if anyone was kind of
Speaker 2: mean to the kid I baby said at the park,
Speaker 2: it's like watch like I'm not nice to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be like, get the fuck away from this.
Speaker 1: It's crazy act like it's but it's part of the whole,
Speaker 1: like hubris of people that do have like tons of
Speaker 1: kids and are Catholic and are like what am I
Speaker 1: trying to say? That? Like Stabler is just like we
Speaker 1: know because we're it's like our special magical gift. It's
Speaker 1: like no other people can care about children, like yeah,
Speaker 1: and people that have children are horrible to their children.
Speaker 3: If you watch SVU, Yeah, if you're a parent.
Speaker 1: You'd understand how all these parents are doing a pretty
Speaker 1: bad job. I watch it every week. Yeah, that's definitely
Speaker 1: another thing of like parents. It just makes you a
Speaker 1: better person.
Speaker 2: It's like, what about I'm trying to think of why
Speaker 2: are all the SVW episodes?
Speaker 1: I'm like falling for a blank. I don't even the
Speaker 1: rock Star mom.
Speaker 3: Was mad the rock Star mom? When are we getting
Speaker 3: Hayden Panter.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, but last week
Speaker 2: I watched Scream two, three, and four.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that great. Did you see five? Of
Speaker 1: course I saw it on a plane. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I told you I watched that.
Speaker 2: And then the guy next to me is watching Silence
Speaker 2: of the Lambs and I'm like, oh, look, we love horror.
Speaker 2: We're And then he watched Jango Unchained and I'm like,
Speaker 2: you're unhinged, like Silence of the Lambs and Wild back
Speaker 2: to back.
Speaker 1: So you know, everyone knows on this podcast that I
Speaker 1: love Silence of the Lambs, but to watch it on
Speaker 1: a plane feels wild.
Speaker 4: I like being well. One time I was making.
Speaker 1: Skin suits out of women. One time I was watching
Speaker 1: over Idaho The Gift. Oh yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 2: That's scary, And Matteo was sitting in front of me,
Speaker 2: but I got so scared that I screamed so loud,
Speaker 2: and then I just saw his head slowly pop up
Speaker 2: with the most evil glare, like what is wrong with you?
Speaker 4: And it's like the gift.
Speaker 2: Cabot walks in to break the tension, and she says,
Speaker 2: let me guess the baby, so Cabot knows that they're arguing.
Speaker 2: I mean they but Stabler likes to do this to
Speaker 2: live and it does piss me off, and I feel
Speaker 2: defensive of Olivia when he's just like, you fucking spinster,
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit at what you say or
Speaker 2: you don't understand. I just hate when he talks down
Speaker 2: to her, yeah, or like talks about her dad, like,
Speaker 2: I just don't like when he comes for her.
Speaker 3: And empathy is her one of her biggest traits.
Speaker 2: It's insane, like she fucking helped your wife in a
Speaker 2: car accident give birth to your son as she was dying.
Speaker 4: I just, ugh, what a fuck?
Speaker 2: And Benson is like, yeah, I mean me and Elliott
Speaker 2: obviously don't see eye to eye. I'm also really defensive
Speaker 2: about this because this has happened to me. Yeah, people
Speaker 2: say crazy shit to me.
Speaker 3: You won't understand, and like I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: I could never say that to a person.
Speaker 2: But and its apost like of course, like I also
Speaker 2: know things are I don't know it just it does
Speaker 2: bother me. She says, well, let's just focus on putting
Speaker 2: the red buet guy away, and Cabots like, we need
Speaker 2: her to testify, and Benson's like, her baby's like a pound,
Speaker 2: she's not going to leave the hospital, and Cabot says,
Speaker 2: I don't care. We cannot let him get back on
Speaker 2: the streets. So if she doesn't come, arrest her for prostitution,
Speaker 2: and Benson doesn't want to, and Cabots like, I don't care,
Speaker 2: you have to do it. So it cuts to Misha
Speaker 2: singing a song to her baby in the plastic box
Speaker 2: aka incubator, and she know she's been having trouble breathing,
Speaker 2: but the baby's chilling right now. Benson crouches down and says,
Speaker 2: you have to testify. She says, I'm not leaving my baby,
Speaker 2: and Benson goes, well, if you don't all, arrest you
Speaker 2: for prostitution, and she says, I'm not going anywhere and
Speaker 2: go to hell.
Speaker 4: So Benson arrests her.
Speaker 2: This sucks her curls look incredible, Like where did Misha
Speaker 2: Barton find time at the hospital to do an immaculate
Speaker 2: curl accession turn.
Speaker 1: Also, the baby that they use for this must be
Speaker 1: a prop.
Speaker 3: You cannot get a baby that tiny.
Speaker 1: I was very.
Speaker 2: Uncomfortable every time they showed the little baby on the
Speaker 2: vergin of desk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were like doing baby CPR on her. I'm like,
Speaker 1: we don't need I think it's a prop, fake baby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think they stole a baby for them from
Speaker 1: the nick to nick you get your SAG cards early, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: Do you have a baby that was born two to
Speaker 3: three months early?
Speaker 1: The casting breakdown, Sorry, she's on.
Speaker 2: The stand retelling the attack, and she points to Bill
Speaker 2: skagg Skaggy Lee Turgison and oh no, it's Buchanans time.
Speaker 2: So this is not going to be good. And he's
Speaker 2: obviously an asshole. He's spinning it that she's turning on
Speaker 2: him now to make a deal and not because it's
Speaker 2: really him who did it. And he's like, you dumb bitch,
Speaker 2: why did you drop out of the eighth grade? And
Speaker 2: it's like yelling that someone at twelve did something wrong.
Speaker 2: It's like to yell at a twelve year old for
Speaker 2: not going back to eighth grade is just so weird.
Speaker 4: It's very vicious.
Speaker 3: That's what makes him such a good defense attorney.
Speaker 2: And she says none of that matters, like the man
Speaker 2: who tried to kill me, Like that's the truth and
Speaker 2: I'm not going to let him get away with that,
Speaker 2: and her eyes are tearing up.
Speaker 4: She's doing good.
Speaker 2: I believe they put a little stick of menthol shit
Speaker 2: under her eyes.
Speaker 4: I don't think she can cry and no shade.
Speaker 2: He calls her a criminal, and she looks sad, and
Speaker 2: then Cabot comes back up and asks how long did
Speaker 2: your pimp control you? And she says since she was
Speaker 2: twelve years old, so ten years? So how many nights
Speaker 2: a week did he force you to work?
Speaker 4: Five? How many men a night? Six?
Speaker 2: So then she does all the math and she says,
Speaker 2: since the age you were twelve, you've been raped thirteen
Speaker 2: thousand times.
Speaker 4: We can sit with that number.
Speaker 2: And then she says yes, and Rabbit says, I hope
Speaker 2: I cleared things up for you, counselor, as she turns
Speaker 2: to Buchanan and says that's a victim and points to
Speaker 2: Skags and goes and that's a criminal.
Speaker 4: Love this Cabot's so hot. Drop.
Speaker 2: So he gets up and goes, excuse me, I'm a criminal,
Speaker 2: and the judge yells at him to sit down, and
Speaker 2: he starts talking about Satan penetrating her and then goes,
Speaker 2: you whore. God demands your repentance, and he pushes the
Speaker 2: table and runs to the witness box and the bayliff
Speaker 2: knocks him off his feet and onto the ground, and
Speaker 2: the judge is hitting her gavel like that's gonna do anything.
Speaker 2: Like this man is having an emotional, wild psychological break
Speaker 2: and like jumping up and down and you think the.
Speaker 3: Gavel's gonna stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe gavel on his Sorry, yeah, I'll go back.
Speaker 2: She says the IDA will be used and he needs
Speaker 2: to be taken away, and he's screaming and screaming. He's
Speaker 2: being dragged out by three men as he screams. Barton
Speaker 2: looks very stressed in the hallway now and Benson walks
Speaker 2: out and says, Cabot's dropping the prostitution charges.
Speaker 1: You're a good girl. Ouh, you're a good girl. She
Speaker 1: didn't sit it, Oh my god, And she.
Speaker 2: Is sad about everything you can and said about her
Speaker 2: and Benson says, that's all behind you, and she says
Speaker 2: this will never be behind me, and I yeah. So
Speaker 2: she's crying. What am I supposed to tell my baby
Speaker 2: when she grows up? And they're like, your baby is
Speaker 2: not going to grow up? Like how many more times
Speaker 2: do we have to tell that your baby is done.
Speaker 3: And will not understand what prostitution even is?
Speaker 2: Like I obviously.
Speaker 3: This is sad, but it's like I don't know, so
Speaker 3: it's awkward.
Speaker 2: Benson is good and she says all that matters is
Speaker 2: that you love your little girl and you will make
Speaker 2: the right decision for her now and she will understand.
Speaker 2: Amisia says yeah and cries and says right Decisionugh, then
Speaker 2: hugs her and smiles, and she cries and walks off,
Speaker 2: and then Benson looks worried as she watches her leave,
Speaker 2: you know, the courthouse. And Craigan knocks on Benson's apartment
Speaker 2: and he has papers in his hand. A lawyer left
Speaker 2: this for you at the station, he says. And Gladys
Speaker 2: left her power of attorney over her daughter and wrote
Speaker 2: her a note, Olivia, I realize today that you are right.
Speaker 2: I do need to make the right decisions from now on.
Speaker 2: That's why I've decided to go away and figure everything out.
Speaker 2: And I know you will be there for my baby
Speaker 2: and do what's best for her until I get back
Speaker 2: and be the mother that she deserves. And so Marishka
Speaker 2: runs to the hospital and doctor France is there and
Speaker 2: meets her, and the baby's brain is bleeding and they
Speaker 2: need her permission to operate, and her chances are not
Speaker 2: good without surgery, and even with surgery, she can have
Speaker 2: brain damage for the rest of her life. And Benson
Speaker 2: is thinking and the camera zooms in on her and
Speaker 2: there's crying and she's trying to decide what to do,
Speaker 2: and that is a real cliffhanger.
Speaker 1: Dick Wolf, Baby, what do you think she does? Um
Speaker 1: calls Elliott. I don't know, to shame her.
Speaker 3: I think she lets the baby pass.
Speaker 1: You do, yeah, because we'd hear about this baby, like
Speaker 1: there'd be something about it, don't you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But I think she wants to do what Gladys wants.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, But it's like, does power of attorney mean financial?
Speaker 1: It's like, again, I don't know who pays for millions
Speaker 1: of dollars of surgery.
Speaker 4: No, I have no idea.
Speaker 2: But there's not been that many cliffhangers on SVU that
Speaker 2: aren't two carters, So that's it. The only one I
Speaker 2: can think of is the Shannon Sassiman one at the
Speaker 2: College professor rape.
Speaker 1: But like this were like more like even identity where
Speaker 1: it's like which one did it? You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, very rare to have a cliffhanger.
Speaker 2: So and star studded while I was watching it, I
Speaker 2: saw but I'm like, it can't be Lee Turgison but
Speaker 2: it wait what like it was a wild episode and
Speaker 2: we learned a lot of words.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, we will be right back with some crazy
Speaker 1: true crime. Okay, Lisa, do you know anything about the
Speaker 1: Yorkshire Ripper? No?
Speaker 4: But is that because what's I know? Jack the Rip?
Speaker 3: Jack the Ripper?
Speaker 4: I actually don't have.
Speaker 1: Old timey Yorkshire Ripper is the seventies and early eighties. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this episode is based on Peter William Sutcliffe, who
Speaker 1: was an English serial killer who the media nicknamed the
Speaker 1: Yorkshire Ripper and he was His name is Peter William Sutcliffe.
Speaker 1: But eventually, after he went to jail spoiler alert, he
Speaker 1: gets caught, he started using his mother's maiden name and
Speaker 1: going by William Peter William Coonan. So anyway, this man
Speaker 1: killed thirteen women and attacked ten others between nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: five and nineteen eighty And I actually knew nothing about this,
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 3: Had started watching The Ripper.
Speaker 1: There's a four part series on Netflix called The Ripper,
Speaker 1: which is one of my sources here, and I started
Speaker 1: watching it, and for some reason it was like boring me.
Speaker 1: And then when I watched it this time, I was
Speaker 1: like really wrapped by it. So I don't really know why.
Speaker 1: I was just the wrong time. Anyway, there is a
Speaker 1: four part series all about this man.
Speaker 4: He was born.
Speaker 1: This man, Peter Sutcliffe was born to a working class
Speaker 1: Catholic family.
Speaker 3: He was a loner. He dropped out of school at fifteen.
Speaker 1: He had a bunch of shitty jobs, like he was
Speaker 1: a grave digger, and then I guess that led to
Speaker 1: a job part time at a morgue, and he apparently
Speaker 1: bragged his friends about robbing bodies at the morgue. So like,
Speaker 1: and he started to develop like sort of a sixth
Speaker 1: sense of humor, they said, once he started grave digging
Speaker 1: and working at the morgue. So eventually he became a
Speaker 1: truck driver, and then that was the job he had
Speaker 1: the entire time that he was killing.
Speaker 3: But it's that's kind of irrelevant. It doesn't really have
Speaker 3: anything to.
Speaker 4: Do with it.
Speaker 1: He was known to patronize sex workers, and apparently there's
Speaker 1: a sort of unsubstantiated claim. I think that one time
Speaker 1: a sex worker stole from him with her pimp, and
Speaker 1: that that is sort of what started his hatred for
Speaker 1: sex workers. But his first recorded attack was in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty nine and he was so he was about twenty three,
Speaker 1: and he was out looking for the woman who robbed him,
Speaker 1: and he met a different woman who is unnamed. She
Speaker 1: didn't want to be named and I think never press charges.
Speaker 1: And he hit her over the head with a rock
Speaker 1: and a sock. Okay, so that's his first attack. She
Speaker 1: got his license plate number. Cops questioned him. He admitted
Speaker 1: to hitting her, but that he did it with his hand,
Speaker 1: and then they let him off because the woman just
Speaker 1: wanted to drop the whole thing. I mean, I wish
Speaker 1: that she had pushed it a little because this guy
Speaker 1: went on to do some pretty bad damage. But fast
Speaker 1: forward to night. Yeah, you dumb it. I'm just totally
Speaker 1: kidd I'm totally kidding. She got hit with a sock,
Speaker 1: rock and a sock. So fast forward to nineteen seventy five,
Speaker 1: six years later, and I do think that he attacked
Speaker 1: in between sixty nine and seventy five, but seventy five
Speaker 1: is where it's note it's like documented that he started
Speaker 1: like kind of becoming more active attacker slash killer. So
Speaker 1: around this time when he starts, he's like twenty nine,
Speaker 1: he attacks three other women in a row, Anna Ragolski,
Speaker 1: Olive Smelt, and a teenager named Tracy Brown. And these
Speaker 1: are like five weeks and two weeks apart these attacks.
Speaker 1: So in the first two cases he hit the women
Speaker 1: over the head with what's called a ball peen hammer.
Speaker 1: I hate it because it sounds like you're saying penis
Speaker 1: like keene, But do you know what a ballpeen hammer is.
Speaker 1: It's like flat on one side, it has like a
Speaker 1: ball on the other side, so it's like a little
Speaker 1: hand hammer. It's small, and that was like his weapon
Speaker 1: of choice. Like he always would knock women out with that,
Speaker 1: like really hurt, like smash their skulls with it, and
Speaker 1: then he would slash their mid sections. In both cases
Speaker 1: here he was interrupted, and that is what saved these
Speaker 1: women's lives, thankfully, But.
Speaker 4: They who did he get interrupted by.
Speaker 1: Like like cars going by, Like he didn't know what
Speaker 1: he was doing at first. He would just like attack
Speaker 1: women on open roads at night, and then like a
Speaker 1: car would come by and he'd run away, you know,
Speaker 1: so like he wasn't planning things. He wasn't like a
Speaker 1: sophisticated killer at the beginning. So those women lived, but
Speaker 1: they had massive trauma from the attacks, both like mental
Speaker 1: and like brain like literal brain damage from the I got.
Speaker 2: A friend a comics told me that he dared someone
Speaker 2: at school once to snort like lead from a lead pencil,
Speaker 2: and that he never came back to school again.
Speaker 3: What oh Jesus, that's aggressive.
Speaker 4: And everyone hated him because he made the kid do.
Speaker 1: It careful with your dar's, dudes, that's wild, okay. So
Speaker 1: and Olive Smelt told the police that this man had
Speaker 1: a Yorkshire accent. The police ignored that, okay. In Tracy's case,
Speaker 1: he had her with a hammer a bunch of times
Speaker 1: and then was scared off by headlights.
Speaker 4: Why would they ignore that?
Speaker 1: They just they they didn't connect these attacks at the
Speaker 1: beginning to the Yorkshire ripper. Yet so there were all
Speaker 1: these attacks, there were like these attacks or whatever, they were.
Speaker 2: All the same with cut mid sections, and they didn't
Speaker 2: know it was the same person.
Speaker 1: The police incompetence in this case is going to astound you.
Speaker 1: You need to, like you need to just prepare yourself
Speaker 1: because it gets so much worse. And there's there's like
Speaker 1: there's like echoes of it in the SVU episode. Not
Speaker 1: the police incompetence, but the way that the police look
Speaker 1: at sex workers. I mean you could even when when
Speaker 1: stablers like trying to figure out that the first victim Abbey,
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't think she's a sex Wert's like
Speaker 1: what does it matter find out like what happened to her? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like the obsession with like this wasn't
Speaker 1: even a sex worker. This was an innocent regular person.
Speaker 1: It's like that's they do a lot of that shit here.
Speaker 1: So anyway, like I said at the beginning, he was
Speaker 1: really amateure. It seems like he just attacked whenever he
Speaker 1: thought he had an opportunity, but he just didn't know
Speaker 1: how to keep himself like from getting caught, and so
Speaker 1: he would like run off mid attack. So then his
Speaker 1: first murder victim was in October of nineteen seventy five
Speaker 1: in Leeds, which is like a city in Yorkshire in
Speaker 1: England where a lot of around which a lot of
Speaker 1: these crimes happened. And her name was Wilma mc cann.
Speaker 1: She was a twenty eight year old divorced sex worker
Speaker 1: with four kids, and she was found yards from the
Speaker 1: house where she lived with her four kids. So they
Speaker 1: talked to her kids in this interview too, it's like
Speaker 1: really heartbreaking.
Speaker 3: So Sutcliffe hit her twice with a.
Speaker 1: Hammer, stabbed her many times, and a medical examiner in
Speaker 1: the Netflix dock the ripper said it was done by
Speaker 1: someone a considerably disturbed person, so well he didn't need.
Speaker 3: To be a medical exactly exactly. I thought i'd throw
Speaker 3: that a professional quote in.
Speaker 1: But so Leeds at the time is considered like a
Speaker 1: decaying suburb, so I guess they're just like a lot
Speaker 1: of industry had left the city and so they have
Speaker 1: a red light district. And it seems that Sutcliffe at
Speaker 1: that point refocused his attention on sex workers and started
Speaker 1: work like killing in areas and attacking in areas with
Speaker 1: red light districts, which was why none. They didn't connect
Speaker 1: him to the first three attacks because they weren't sex
Speaker 1: workers and they weren't in areas that had red light districts,
Speaker 1: So that was why they sort of didn't connect it
Speaker 1: at first.
Speaker 4: But again it seems dumb.
Speaker 1: So the press called Wilma a quote unquote good time girl.
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons that he was able to
Speaker 1: avoid capture for so long was because the press, like
Speaker 1: they say it in these interviews, they're like, they do
Speaker 1: not give a fuck about sex workers. Like one reporter goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you read about Wilma mccannon, You're just like another minor story,
Speaker 1: like a sex worker being murdered, like and so at
Speaker 1: at first, it wasn't super acknowledged. There wasn't a big
Speaker 1: investigation yet. His next murder was about three months later,
Speaker 1: also in Leeds. He killed a forty two year old
Speaker 1: named Emily Jackson by hitting her on the head with
Speaker 1: a hammer, stabbing her fifty six times psycho. He stamped
Speaker 1: on her thigh and left a boot print. So that's
Speaker 1: like the first piece of kind of evidence they get
Speaker 1: about him, is this bootprint, Like what kind of boots
Speaker 1: and what sized shoe? So she had been persuaded Emily
Speaker 1: Jackson by her husband to turn to sex work to
Speaker 1: help support their family, and she usually did that out
Speaker 1: of the family's roofing van, but in this case Sutcliffe had.
Speaker 3: Picked her up and driven her to a bad part
Speaker 3: of town.
Speaker 1: So I think he started to realize, I can't just
Speaker 1: kill women I see walking down the street. I've got
Speaker 1: to get a woman in my car and take her
Speaker 1: to a place where I can kill her to not
Speaker 1: be detected or whatever. So his next attack was a
Speaker 1: twenty year old named I think it's it's Marcella, but
Speaker 1: in England, I think they say Marcella. So anyway, Marcella
Speaker 1: Claxton is attacked three months later in May, and she
Speaker 1: was walking home from a party. Sutcliffe offered her a ride,
Speaker 1: she got out of the car to pee and he
Speaker 1: hit her with a hammer, and she somehow survived and
Speaker 1: she was able to testify against Sutcliff later at trial,
Speaker 1: but at the time they didn't connect her her attack
Speaker 1: to the ripper. She had been four months pregnant at
Speaker 1: the time, and she did miscarry because of the attack,
Speaker 1: and she needed multiple extensive brain operations and had intermittent
Speaker 1: blackouts and chronic depression. So all of the women that
Speaker 1: have survived this have been plagued by like horrible side
Speaker 1: effects their entire lives.
Speaker 3: So it's just hammers should be outlawed.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: It's like I have three in my house right now.
Speaker 1: So the Ripper takes the rest of the year off
Speaker 1: and then in February of nineteen seventy seventies back at it.
Speaker 1: On February fifth, he attacks Irene Richardson, who works in Chapeltown,
Speaker 1: which is the red light district of Leeds where that's
Speaker 1: where Wilma had been the night of her death. And
Speaker 1: later people questioned whether Irene was actually a sex worker
Speaker 1: at all, or whether the police just put that on
Speaker 1: her to fit their theory.
Speaker 3: Like there's one guy in the Duck documentary who says, yeah.
Speaker 1: Up until ten days before her death, she was a
Speaker 1: really respectable person and then she just slided down into
Speaker 1: decline and lost her status, is what they kept saying.
Speaker 1: And I was like, so ten days before she dies,
Speaker 1: she just becomes a sex work. Like it feels like
Speaker 1: the police were just trying to make this a killer
Speaker 1: of sex workers. I think also in a way to
Speaker 1: not like alert the public, like don't worry if you're
Speaker 1: not a sex worker. This isn't like a big deal
Speaker 1: and it's it's super fucked.
Speaker 3: But Irene's death is what.
Speaker 1: Connected got them all to connect it. It's like that's
Speaker 1: when they were like, okay, this is a serial like
Speaker 1: this is a guy who's out here doing this. She
Speaker 1: was bludgeoned again, and then she was mutilated post mortem
Speaker 1: thank god, you know, silver lining, and the contents of
Speaker 1: her purse were like neatly laid out, and they say
Speaker 1: the bodies are displayed. I don't really know what that
Speaker 1: means because they don't get specific about it, but I
Speaker 1: think that's a common part of his emo. So the
Speaker 1: police also found a tire track near that murder. So
Speaker 1: now they've got the bootprint, the tire tracks, and they're
Speaker 1: just like slowly gathering more evidence. And this is the
Speaker 1: case where they realize it's a serial killer and they're
Speaker 1: all sex workers.
Speaker 3: They're all knocked out, murdered, and there's no evidence of rape.
Speaker 3: He does not.
Speaker 1: Assault them, so this is purely about just like rage
Speaker 1: towards women and wanting to kill. So a couple of
Speaker 1: months later, in April, he kills a woman named Patricia
Speaker 1: Tina Atkinson. Tina's in quotes. I guess that's her nickname.
Speaker 1: And she's a sex worker. And he kills her in
Speaker 1: her apartment in Bradford. And that's the first time and
Speaker 1: maybe the only time he kills someone in their home.
Speaker 1: Most of the time, this guy works outside and it's
Speaker 1: like a departure for him, and it's more dangerous for
Speaker 1: him to, like, you know, be inside a building. People
Speaker 1: can see you, you know. He usually blitzes them outside
Speaker 1: or takes them to remote locations. Police found a bootprint
Speaker 1: on the bedclothes so that they could match that. Two
Speaker 1: months later, he murdered Jane McDonald in Chapeltown. Now this
Speaker 1: was huge.
Speaker 3: He left this.
Speaker 1: Woman's body she's sixteen. She's sixteen. He leaves her on
Speaker 1: a playground after the murder, but he didn't murder her there.
Speaker 1: He took her there and left her there. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's like a signal, but she's not
Speaker 1: a sex worker. And this woke people up and like
Speaker 1: that any woman could be a victim of this psychopath,
Speaker 1: Like he's not just going after sex workers. And the
Speaker 1: way that the police cared about this victim more than
Speaker 1: the other victims is like striking, Like they call her
Speaker 1: the first innocent victim, which is so gross. She was
Speaker 1: walking home alone and they speculated that the ripper thought
Speaker 1: she was a sex worker. So it's like, no, maybe
Speaker 1: he just wants to kill women and he just sees
Speaker 1: them at the right time, you know, like he just
Speaker 1: saw her at the right time and was able to
Speaker 1: get her into his car somehow, And so everyone's up
Speaker 1: in arms, and there was actually a letter posted in
Speaker 1: the Yorkshire Evening Posts the paper to the ripper, and
Speaker 1: the letter is like, basically like you've killed five women,
Speaker 1: and you obviously have a deep patrid for sex workers,
Speaker 1: but like this time you fucked up and you killed
Speaker 1: an innocent quote unquote lass, a respectable girl from a
Speaker 1: nice Leeds family. You must have felt really bad when
Speaker 1: you realize you killed a nice girl. That's essentially the
Speaker 1: crux of this.
Speaker 2: And it's also like maybe he's targeting sex workers because
Speaker 2: he knows you won't investigate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fucking yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: So the next month July nineties, I'm sorry, July of
Speaker 1: seventy seven, he attacks Maureen Long, also in Bradford, but
Speaker 1: he was interrupted this time and he took off and
Speaker 1: left Maureen for dead, and when they found her she'd
Speaker 1: been stabbed forward to five times and was suffering from hypothermia,
Speaker 1: and she was hospitalized for nine weeks, and she was
Speaker 1: considered the first survivor because they hadn't yet linked these
Speaker 1: first three women to the attacks by him, but she
Speaker 1: had such bad brain damage that she couldn't recall any details,
Speaker 1: so she was not helpful as a.
Speaker 4: Survivor for them.
Speaker 1: A witness also misidentified the make of his car, which
Speaker 1: led to a huge wild goose chase of three hundred
Speaker 1: cops checking thousands of cars and not coming up with shit.
Speaker 1: On October first that same year, he murdered Jean Jordan,
Speaker 1: a sex worker from Manchester that's ninety minutes from Yorkshire,
Speaker 1: so the police found it weird that he kind of
Speaker 1: moved moved out of his area. When he confessed later
Speaker 1: the Yorkshire Ripper Peter Suckliffe, he said that he realized
Speaker 1: he had given her a five pound bill to pay
Speaker 1: her and that it would be traceable to him, so
Speaker 1: he hosted a party at his house and then he
Speaker 1: returned to the area where he left the body. He
Speaker 1: left the party and couldn't find the money and went back,
Speaker 1: like he went back to the body and couldn't find
Speaker 1: the money, and so he left. And so then they
Speaker 1: found the body eight days later on October ninth, and
Speaker 1: it was discovered by a local dairy worker and a
Speaker 1: future actor, this man Bruce Jones. He's never made it
Speaker 1: into anything really that's crossed over to the US, but
Speaker 1: he's an actor in UK. He's been on Coronation Street,
Speaker 1: which I think is one of their big soaps that's
Speaker 1: been going on for decades and decades. So Bruce Jones
Speaker 1: actually became a suspect in because he ran over he
Speaker 1: literally like basically tripped over her body and said it
Speaker 1: was like horrific what had been done to her body.
Speaker 1: And it caused him to lose his wife, his marriage,
Speaker 1: and his kid, and it gave him nightmares and affected
Speaker 1: his mental health. So it really affected him finding this
Speaker 1: dead body. Obviously he was not the killer. Back to
Speaker 1: the five dollar bill, the five pound note that was
Speaker 1: inside the pocket of her like the inside pocket of
Speaker 1: our purse, which of course a man doesn't know to
Speaker 1: look in there, but that's where it was. And they
Speaker 1: traced it to these Brits, to these certain bank branches.
Speaker 1: The police looked at all the bank operations and narrowed
Speaker 1: it down to eight thousand employees who could have had
Speaker 1: them like the money in their packet. And over three
Speaker 1: months they interviewed five thousand people trying to trace this
Speaker 1: five dollar bill and including Sutcliffe. He was interviewed and
Speaker 1: the police said his alibis were credible because he had
Speaker 1: spent a lot of the evening that he killed her
Speaker 1: at this party at his house, like I think he
Speaker 1: had like snuck out to kill her. So after weeks
Speaker 1: of investigation, the five dollar note, the five pound note
Speaker 1: thing led to nothing and.
Speaker 3: That the police were very frustrated.
Speaker 1: On December fourteenth, he attacked someone named Marilyn Moore and
Speaker 1: she was another sex worker from Leeds.
Speaker 3: She survived. She gave the police a description.
Speaker 1: Then the tire tracks that her attack matched her description
Speaker 1: looked like Sutcliffe, So she gave an accurate description. Like
Speaker 1: in the end, she gave a great description and so
Speaker 1: had other survivors. And she provided a good description of
Speaker 1: his car which had been seen in red light districts.
Speaker 3: So they's like they have a look of this guy.
Speaker 1: I have to say, when you look at him he's bearded,
Speaker 1: kind of not a nondescript like.
Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of guys look like him.
Speaker 1: So. Then in January of nineteen seventy eight is when
Speaker 1: they stopped the five dollar billing investigation. And that same
Speaker 1: month he killed a twenty one year old named Yvonne Pearson,
Speaker 1: who was another sex worker in Bradford. Bludgenger with the
Speaker 1: ball pen hammer, jumped on her chest before stuffing horsehair
Speaker 1: in her mouth from a discarded sofa that was near
Speaker 1: where he killed her, and then he hid her body
Speaker 1: under the sofa, just like wild's pointless things to do.
Speaker 1: Ten days later, he killed Helen Ritka, an eighteen year
Speaker 1: old sex worker.
Speaker 4: This is not I know.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: There's so many murders, so many, and like sometimes he's
Speaker 1: doing it a week apart, and sometimes he's waiting three months.
Speaker 1: It's like, you don't know what or maybe we're not
Speaker 1: connecting some of the cases. I'll get into that a
Speaker 1: little bit later.
Speaker 3: Anything about this guy, he's like a madman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So killed Helen Rika eighteen three months later, he
Speaker 1: killed Vera Millward. She was a forty year old sex
Speaker 1: worker who was actually quite sick. She was frail and sickly.
Speaker 1: She only had one lung, she had chromic chronic stomach pains.
Speaker 1: And she went to go meet a regular client of
Speaker 1: hers who never showed up, and that's when Sutcliffe picked
Speaker 1: her up. And she was married to a Jamaican man,
Speaker 1: and like that would be in that would be stuff
Speaker 1: that they would like sort of use against her in
Speaker 1: the press and stuff like they would talk about that
Speaker 1: in like a way that made it seem like, oh,
Speaker 1: she was in an interracial marriage, like crazy. So again
Speaker 1: he takes the rest of nineteen seventy eight off after
Speaker 1: that may murder, it looks like, And then it's almost
Speaker 1: a year actually because in April of seventy nine he
Speaker 1: kills Josephine Whittaker, who is a nineteen year old building
Speaker 1: society clerk, which I tried to look it up and
Speaker 1: I think it's it's kind of somebody who works in
Speaker 1: a financial office, and he attacked her as she was
Speaker 1: walking home, and she was not a sex worker, so
Speaker 1: it's like, it's really not fitting them that he hates
Speaker 1: sex workers.
Speaker 3: He just hates women like he wants to murder.
Speaker 1: So it was speculated that because they were monitoring the
Speaker 1: Red light district so heavy in these cities that now
Speaker 1: he was moving out of them and that's why he
Speaker 1: killed this woman because she was just like walking home
Speaker 1: and like he didn't want to get caught in the
Speaker 1: red light district. So they had forensics to work off
Speaker 1: of in this case of Josephine Whitaker. But the police
Speaker 1: got distracted and here's what they got distracted with. They
Speaker 1: received a taped message allegedly from the Yorkshire Ripper that
Speaker 1: was specifically trolling the Assistant Chief Constable George Oldfield in
Speaker 1: the West Yorkshire Police Department who was leading the investigation,
Speaker 1: and the tape is a man going I'm Jack. I
Speaker 1: see you're having no lack catching me. I have the
Speaker 1: greatest respect for you, George, but lord, you're no nearer
Speaker 1: to catching me now than four years ago when I started.
Speaker 1: So based on this message, the police began searching for
Speaker 1: a man with a ware side accent. This man has
Speaker 1: a war side accent, which is another type of place
Speaker 1: in England, and the media are calling him where side Jack.
Speaker 1: This ended up being a total hoax, Okay. This loser
Speaker 1: sent two letters to the police and to the Daily
Speaker 1: Mirror in nineteen seventy eight like bragging about his crimes
Speaker 1: and signing them Jack the Ripper, and then he also
Speaker 1: claimed responsibility for this woman, Joan Harrison, that it turned
Speaker 1: out later was completely another person that did that murder.
Speaker 1: And then in two thousand and five they got him
Speaker 1: because they tested the envelopes from the letters when they
Speaker 1: finally had DNA, they tested these envelopes and tracked them
Speaker 1: to this guy named Samuel John Samuel Humble, who was
Speaker 1: an unemployed alcoholic. He was a charged for attempting to
Speaker 1: pervert the course of justice. He was convicted and sent
Speaker 1: to eight years in prison, and he died in twenty nineteen. Anyway,
Speaker 1: a hoax, but the police got all wrapped up in
Speaker 1: this hoax and it's.
Speaker 2: Like we had victim was telling you it was the
Speaker 2: Yorkshire accent, and it's like on random man calls and
Speaker 2: you throw it all over out.
Speaker 1: Exactly September first of nineteen seventy nine, the Ripper murders
Speaker 1: twenty year old Barbara Leach, who is a Bradford University student,
Speaker 1: and this was his sixteenth attack. But this is another
Speaker 1: woman who's not a sex worker. So the public is
Speaker 1: again shocked and they are much more giving a shit
Speaker 1: a lot more so there was like an extensive publicity
Speaker 1: campaign that involved the wearside accent, which we know was
Speaker 1: a false lead. And even in nineteen seventy nine, Sutcliffe
Speaker 1: was interviewed twice, so they keep interviewing him. He keeps
Speaker 1: popping up. Despite several forensic clues and being on the
Speaker 1: list of the three hundred names in connection with the
Speaker 1: five pound note, he was still not a top suspect.
Speaker 1: In April of nineteen eighty, he got arrested for drunk
Speaker 1: driving and while awaiting trial, he killed two more women.
Speaker 1: The first was a forty seven year old named Marguerite
Speaker 1: Walls on August twentieth of nineteen eighty, and the second
Speaker 1: was a twenty year old named Jaqueline Hill, another student
Speaker 1: at the Leeds University.
Speaker 4: In November of nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: In between these two murders, he attacked three other women
Speaker 1: who survived a Padya Bandara in Leeds.
Speaker 3: Maureen Lee known as Mo she's.
Speaker 1: In the documentary talking about her experience, and sixteen year
Speaker 1: old Teresa Sykes were all attacked, but all three of
Speaker 1: these women survived. On November twenty fifth, Trevor Birdsall, who
Speaker 1: is a they say an associate of Suckcliffe. They're not
Speaker 1: calling him a friend. I don't really know how he's
Speaker 1: related to Suckcliffe, but he's the guy who had driven
Speaker 1: the car when he first assaulted the woman with the
Speaker 1: rock in the sock. He was like an unsuspecting getaway driver.
Speaker 1: He didn't know that he had just done this crime
Speaker 1: and he was like, let's go, and he drove the
Speaker 1: car in nineteen In November nineteen eighty, this guy reported
Speaker 1: Peter to the police as a suspect. So two months
Speaker 1: later January or lesson two months later, in January of
Speaker 1: eighty one, he gets stopped by the police. He's got
Speaker 1: a twenty four year old sex worker in the car
Speaker 1: with him named Olivia Ravers, and they find that he's
Speaker 1: got fake plates, so he's arrested. He's questioned in relation
Speaker 1: to the Yorkshire ripper case, as he's matched many of
Speaker 1: the physical characteristics, and the next day the police returned
Speaker 1: to the scene of the arrest. This is wild. They
Speaker 1: returned to the scene of the arrest and they find
Speaker 1: a knife, a hammer and a rope that he had
Speaker 1: quickly thrown out when he had slipped away from the police,
Speaker 1: telling them he was quote unquote bursting for a pee.
Speaker 1: So he's getting arrested with the sex worker on the car,
Speaker 1: He's like, can I go to the bathroom really quick
Speaker 1: and go pissed? And he quickly tosses a bunch of
Speaker 1: his murder weapons, so they find them back at the
Speaker 1: original site of the arrest. Then they also found a
Speaker 1: knife in the toilet tank at the police station when
Speaker 1: he was allowed to use the toilet at the police station.
Speaker 3: This guy's hiding his weapons.
Speaker 4: I wonder how they to look in there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, great question. Maybe they just found the knife.
Speaker 1: They were like it was probably this guy. But the
Speaker 1: police got a search warrant for his home brought his
Speaker 1: wife in for questioning. This is maybe the weirdest thing
Speaker 1: I've ever read about a serial killer. When he was
Speaker 1: stripped down at the jail, he was wearing a V
Speaker 1: neck long sleeve top upside down, so he's wearing it
Speaker 1: with his legs in the sleeves and his dick just
Speaker 1: dangling out through the fucking neck hole. The weirdest thing
Speaker 1: I've ever heard. But supposedly it was so he like,
Speaker 1: you know how some of those big sweaters and stuff
Speaker 1: have like pads on the elbows. I think that he
Speaker 1: was doing it so that the pads would be on
Speaker 1: his knees for when he like knelt down next to
Speaker 1: his victims. That's what they speculated. Just dick hanging out
Speaker 1: of a V neck neck hole.
Speaker 2: You might have to drop listeners. Can you draw a picture?
Speaker 2: Because I'm having a hard time even it's funny.
Speaker 1: Robert Dean actually does a joke about this, about like
Speaker 1: putting a T shirt on upside down and like having
Speaker 1: his stick hanging out.
Speaker 3: Oh nice, it's like putting it up, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like putting your legs into the armholes and what
Speaker 1: a free I mean, Well, what's going on? So after
Speaker 1: two days of intensive questioning, Sutcliffe just suddenly confessed that
Speaker 1: he's the ripper. Like over the next day, he calmly
Speaker 1: describes all of his attacks in detail.
Speaker 3: He knows everything.
Speaker 1: He knows how he did it, where he left them,
Speaker 1: what their names are like, he knows everything, every detail.
Speaker 1: And he claimed that God had told him to murder
Speaker 1: the women. And he says, quote, the women I killed
Speaker 1: were filth bastard prostitutes who were littering the streets. I
Speaker 1: was just cleaning up the place A bit, but it's like,
Speaker 1: you killed plenty of people that were not sex workers.
Speaker 1: He did deny that he killed Joan Harrison, who the
Speaker 1: hoax guy had taken credit for, and DNA actually linked
Speaker 1: that to another guy. So everyone was obsessed with this
Speaker 1: man when they caught him. They're obsessed with his life story,
Speaker 1: what caused this, what happened. His parents are clueless, like
Speaker 1: he could have done Like they could not believe he
Speaker 1: could have done something like this. They said, he's the
Speaker 1: last person you would suspect. They said he was a
Speaker 1: kind and timid child, and they were kind back to him.
Speaker 1: He grew up in a world. But then in the
Speaker 1: third episode, you really get a lot of great perspective
Speaker 1: from the women that were working on this case, like
Speaker 1: female journalists, and it's like, really really interesting, I really
Speaker 1: like recommend this four part series on Netflix. And she's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's very easy to see how this happened. He grew
Speaker 1: up in a world where contempt and dislike of women
Speaker 1: were commonplace. His dad beat his mom and people would
Speaker 1: call him a mama's boy in a sissy So he
Speaker 1: connected everything about women and femininity with weakness. So then
Speaker 1: as a man, he switches over to violence as his
Speaker 1: way to prove that he's a man. So at his trial,
Speaker 1: he pleaded not guilty to thirteen charges of murder, but
Speaker 1: guilty to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility, which
Speaker 1: is essentially a mental disease or defect defense here in
Speaker 1: the US. And the basis of his defense was that
Speaker 1: he claimed to be the tool of God's will and
Speaker 1: he said he heard voices that ordered him to kill
Speaker 1: prostitutes while working as a grave digger, and he pleaded
Speaker 1: guilty to the seven charges of attempt at murder. The
Speaker 1: prosecution planned to accept his plea after four psychiatrists diagnosed
Speaker 1: him with paranoid schizophrenia. The judge, Justice Sir Leslie Borum,
Speaker 1: wanted a full explanation of why they were entering this
Speaker 1: plea and why he should accept this plea, and after
Speaker 1: a long conference with the prosecutors, he rejected the diminished
Speaker 1: responsibility play an expert and all the expert testimonies of
Speaker 1: the psychiatrists. So he was just like, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I'm throwing it out. I think it's wrong, and he
Speaker 1: insisted that the case be dealt with by a jury,
Speaker 1: so the trial was set for May fifth, of nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty one. It lasted two weeks, and despite his efforts
Speaker 1: the efforts of his lawyer, he was found guilty of
Speaker 1: murder on all accounts and was sentenced to twenty concurrent
Speaker 1: sentences of life imprisonment. The jury rejected the evidence of
Speaker 1: the four psychiatrists that Sutcliffe had paranoid schizophrenia, and they
Speaker 1: also heard testimony from a prison guard who said he
Speaker 1: heard Sutcliffe tell his wife that if he convinced people
Speaker 1: he was crazy, he would get ten years quote unquote
Speaker 1: in a looney bin. So that probably is what convinced them.
Speaker 1: They thought he was faking being crazy. Don't give a shit,
Speaker 1: give him life. I would be pissed if they let
Speaker 1: him plea for attempted Well, yeah, so, the judge said,
Speaker 1: he also confessed. Yeah, but it's whether he recall. It's
Speaker 1: whether he goes to a mental facility. He'd still be
Speaker 1: away for life, but it would be meant facility versus prison.
Speaker 4: Oh, go to jail. Bang.
Speaker 1: So the judge said Sutcliffe was beyond redemption and never
Speaker 1: wanted him to get out of prison, and he recommends
Speaker 1: it a minimum term of thirty years be served before
Speaker 1: parole could even be considered, and in twenty ten the
Speaker 1: High Court issued him with a whole life tariff, which
Speaker 1: means he's never to be released. After his trial, Sutcliffe
Speaker 1: admitted to two other attacks, but the prosecution was just like,
Speaker 1: it's not really in the public interest and the victims
Speaker 1: wanted to remain anonymous, so they didn't like prosecute that
Speaker 1: at all. Interesting little fact. In twenty fifteen, authors Chris
Speaker 1: Clark and Tim Tait wrote a book called Yorkshire Ripper
Speaker 1: Colin the Secret Murders, where they linked Sutcliffe to at
Speaker 1: least twenty two more murders than the thirteen he was
Speaker 1: convicted of.
Speaker 3: So who knows if that's I.
Speaker 1: Mean, I think you would kill again if he was released,
Speaker 1: absolutely so, yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 3: The police got majorly dragged for this case.
Speaker 1: It was one of the biggest investigations in British history
Speaker 1: and it was before DNA and computers. It was one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty cops, eleven thousand interviews, like so many
Speaker 1: people were involved in this case, and the cops were
Speaker 1: honestly just fucking things up left and right. So one
Speaker 1: of the big things was it was such a huge case.
Speaker 1: No computers, everything was manual everything, all the evidence, all
Speaker 1: the interviews, everything was written on note cards. And it
Speaker 1: was this massive system with such a huge case in
Speaker 1: so many interviews that like it was just really hard
Speaker 1: to connect things on a bunch of fucking loose note cards.
Speaker 1: Sutcliffe was interviewed nine times over the course of the
Speaker 1: investigation before they found out that it was him, like
Speaker 1: nine times. Every time he must have been like, this
Speaker 1: is it and he just got away with it, kept
Speaker 1: getting away with it, and the guy who turned him
Speaker 1: in finally what was do you know?
Speaker 3: The spot? Like what made him finally be like I.
Speaker 1: Wonder if he told him something or he saw something
Speaker 1: weird at his house or something like the hammer, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know who knows, who knows. But during one
Speaker 1: of his interviews, officers showed him a picture of the
Speaker 1: ripper's bootprint near the body, and the officer failed to
Speaker 1: notice that he was wearing the exact boots in question
Speaker 1: at the time of the interview. Is not so, s
Speaker 1: you even he was surprised it took so long to
Speaker 1: catch him, he says, quote, it was just a miracle
Speaker 1: they didn't apprehend me earlier. They had all the facts
Speaker 1: so wild and he's trolling the cops. So in the
Speaker 1: third episode of this show, The Ripper, you really start
Speaker 1: to see how women were fighting back against like the
Speaker 1: misogyny of the time, not only just like what was
Speaker 1: happening in the press talking about sex workers and stuff,
Speaker 1: but just the way that people were using the Ripper
Speaker 1: as like a way to like suppress women and keep
Speaker 1: them like scared and pliable. Like men would be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you don't want to go home with me? What do
Speaker 1: you think I'm the ripper? And it was just like
Speaker 1: a way to keep women like terrified all the time,
Speaker 1: and women were like, fuck this, We're fighting back. It's
Speaker 1: like the late seventies, you know, like feminism is well underway,
Speaker 1: and women were just like, we're not doing this. And
Speaker 1: so many female journalists did a lot of legwork and
Speaker 1: realized that like it might have been a forced narrative
Speaker 1: about the sex workers they and that they kind of
Speaker 1: realized that this might be a forced narrative from the
Speaker 1: cops about the sex workers, Like why didn't they connect
Speaker 1: the first three attacks to the murder Those women had
Speaker 1: information they had all survived, and like the accent thing
Speaker 1: which was crazy was that the police also kept saying
Speaker 1: he had a Jeordy accent. There was another time before
Speaker 1: the Wearside accent accent to Buckle where they told them,
Speaker 1: if this person doesn't have a Jordy accent, forget him.
Speaker 1: So tons of suspects were just like getting dis like
Speaker 1: getting excluded because of an accent that is not the
Speaker 1: accent that this guy even fucking had. They also ignored
Speaker 1: a very accurate description that I said Marcella Claxton.
Speaker 2: I do want to say, my friend Alex in the
Speaker 2: UK's she has a Jeordy accent.
Speaker 3: Oh she does.
Speaker 4: They're really fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a Jeordie and so I know they have
Speaker 2: Jordi Shore. So I've known her now since like twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: let's say, and there are times where we'll be talking
Speaker 2: and she's like, you don't know what I'm saying? Do
Speaker 2: you like it is a wild accent. I've gotten to
Speaker 2: know this person. They'll send me voice so we can
Speaker 2: listen to one on the card and it's like it's whack, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so really whacky.
Speaker 4: I love that. I hope she comes to LA soon.
Speaker 1: So basically, remember how I told you that Marcella Claxton
Speaker 1: had a great description of him. They just didn't think
Speaker 1: she was one of his victims because she wasn't a
Speaker 1: sex worker. So there's a full description of the criminal
Speaker 1: that you could have been using putting on posters and shit,
Speaker 1: but you just didn't connect it because it didn't fit
Speaker 1: your narrative that you're pushing about.
Speaker 3: The sex workers.
Speaker 1: So the end of Sutcliffe's life is that he went
Speaker 1: to prison in May of eighty one. He was he
Speaker 1: was attacked pretty brutally, like two or three times in
Speaker 1: prison by other inmates, and then he was eventually an
Speaker 1: eighty four sent to Broadmoor Hospital, which is a well
Speaker 1: known mental hospital in the UK, and that was under
Speaker 1: the Mental Health Act of nineteen eighty three, so I
Speaker 1: guess they finally acknowledged that he had mental health issues.
Speaker 3: And then he was attacked at least.
Speaker 1: Three times there by other inmates, and he died from COVID. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I mean it might have been from something else, but
Speaker 1: he went to the hospital with COVID. He had a
Speaker 1: ton of underlying health problems and he did die in
Speaker 1: November of twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: So that is that.
Speaker 1: On the Yorkshire Ripper, not exactly dropping prey prayer cards,
Speaker 1: but he was saying God was telling him to do it,
Speaker 1: you know, a feeding moment. Yeah, yeah, I just can't
Speaker 1: believe I didn't.
Speaker 2: I just oh, Jack three. I thought it was like interchange.
Speaker 2: I also thought this was old timycause Jack the Rippers. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't realize this was the seventies.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: The UK in England loves to talk about rippers. They
Speaker 1: have so many rippers. There's like all different rippers. I
Speaker 1: think it's because Jack the Ripper and they all just
Speaker 1: like call them. I think anyone that does like slashing
Speaker 1: with a knife as a ripper. But yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: it's I really recommend this. I have other sources that
Speaker 1: I used to about, Like I watched this Netflix thing
Speaker 1: all four episodes, and it's really really four hours well
Speaker 1: spent if you're into true crime, of course. But we've
Speaker 1: got a really fun interview coming up with you guys, so.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you'll be excited.
Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, okay, guys. Today's guest has dabbled in
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything. He is a comedian, an actor,
Speaker 1: a podcaster, a sketch comedy legend in New York. You
Speaker 1: may remember him as Sea Otter from Wolf of Wall Street.
Speaker 1: Or you've seen him on Adult Swims, Your Pretty Faces
Speaker 1: Going to Hell, or HBO's Crashing. He's also one of
Speaker 1: the hosts of the podcast The Last Podcast on the
Speaker 1: Left and one of the owners of The Last Podcast
Speaker 1: podcast Network, but you know him as Little Stone or Mark.
Speaker 1: In today's episode, guys, please check out our convo with
Speaker 1: the hilarious Henry Zabrowski. Henry Zabrowski, We're so excited to
Speaker 1: be talking to you a podcast hand me meeting you, yeah,
Speaker 1: and Lisa meeting you for the first time. I hear
Speaker 1: great things about you, and now our listeners request you
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry they want you. No, No, this is great.
Speaker 4: It's good to be here.
Speaker 5: Honestly, it's kind of funny. This is one of those experiences.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I've ever really, like quote unquote
Speaker 5: officially have spoken about it. I don't know who cares.
Speaker 5: Who cares when you're like it was like, well, yeah,
Speaker 5: I know now people can yeah, you guys care. But
Speaker 5: it was definitely it was like my second acting gig.
Speaker 1: I know. It's like you you are booked and blast.
Speaker 1: You have a lot of credits on IMDb. You gotta
Speaker 1: scroll all the way down and you see Henry Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I remember they.
Speaker 5: Read they read conned a lot of the web videos
Speaker 5: back in the day to be IMDb credits, which really
Speaker 5: does help pump the numbers. And that's just thankful to
Speaker 5: the web comics boom. Do you remember when when sketch
Speaker 5: comedy used to be lucrative?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm in tons of random sketches that are
Speaker 1: listed on IMDb, like for college humor and stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, good, go go off. That's a short. That's
Speaker 3: a short.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, sure, definitely TV pilot, Sure, yeah, take it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's it's cool because this was one of those.
Speaker 5: I remember at the time period when I was this
Speaker 5: was like very it was like, you know, all the
Speaker 5: New York actors, everyone was going in for SVU. I
Speaker 5: had interviewed twice to play a pedophile and I had
Speaker 5: just didn't I didn't get over the hump.
Speaker 4: I don't know what it was. Maybeth it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something about you. You're a little bit too happy,
Speaker 3: go lucky. I think I.
Speaker 5: Was much bigger at the time, and maybe I just
Speaker 5: was like just straight up Gabriella Glesi's trademark too fluffy
Speaker 5: to be a pedophile at the time, like I was
Speaker 5: too cuddly, but I I remember. It's one of those
Speaker 5: days where I remember the I remember the audition, I
Speaker 5: remember getting it. It was just like a quick little thing.
Speaker 5: It happened really fast. I got it the next day.
Speaker 5: But what do you guys have questions?
Speaker 4: What are like? What do you how what is the
Speaker 4: format of this show? Well, this is actually perfect.
Speaker 2: So you got the sides, you went to Chelsea Piers
Speaker 2: and the next day they're like, you got you got it,
Speaker 2: congrats did you jump up and down?
Speaker 5: Well at the time too, I don't know if if
Speaker 5: everyone was aware, but this was maybe one of the
Speaker 5: big one of the first big tragedies our generation got
Speaker 5: after nine to eleven was that we got the recession right.
Speaker 5: So at the time period, I had lost my job.
Speaker 5: You know, I lost my job and I was struggling deep.
Speaker 5: And this is back when you could really ride on
Speaker 5: employment for a long time, and I was I needed
Speaker 5: this job.
Speaker 4: So that was the thing.
Speaker 5: I was very thankful, but mostly it was just like,
Speaker 5: I won't have.
Speaker 4: To go home. I don't want to go home.
Speaker 5: Because I wasn't I was going to die there if
Speaker 5: I moved back to Florida.
Speaker 3: How have the residuals been speaking?
Speaker 5: Still still coming. It's one of the best. It's that
Speaker 5: I actually just got. It's that in Blue Bloods because
Speaker 5: I did a full guest spot on Blue Bloods. Still pays.
Speaker 5: I still get like it's a sack of weed every
Speaker 5: three months.
Speaker 4: It's like sixty bars.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean for me, that's not that's free money.
Speaker 5: Well technically it's like me eating alone on Postmates.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: No, I have the same thing where I took a shot.
Speaker 1: I was nine months pregnant and I did this thing
Speaker 1: on Laughing where I was like, supposed to take a shot.
Speaker 1: I took a shot and it was like the joke
Speaker 1: is that I'm pregnant, I said one line. And I
Speaker 1: get seventy five dollars every three months, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: there's a dinner.
Speaker 4: You know. I love it. It means something. But you know,
Speaker 4: they don't do it like that anymore.
Speaker 5: They don't pay out those residuals anymore because now anything
Speaker 5: you do they just bake it in. They're like, don't
Speaker 5: you remember when we paid you generously upfront? And it's like,
Speaker 5: actually I don't though, but no, at the time it's
Speaker 5: nice to have the reminder that it's there. And it
Speaker 5: is strange because that's strange. It just got such a
Speaker 5: hardcore fan base that this shit comes up again and
Speaker 5: again and again, and people play the episode a lot.
Speaker 4: Anything.
Speaker 5: I had a lot to do with that was Misha Barton,
Speaker 5: not at peak but after after Pete, right, so she
Speaker 5: was getting a lot of eyes.
Speaker 4: I was working with her.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't see you guys in the same room,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure you guys may be across paths.
Speaker 3: Any Misha Barton's skill, she.
Speaker 4: Did not regard me.
Speaker 5: Okay, she was there and I was there, and she
Speaker 5: was just like because it's also the nature of the part, right,
Speaker 5: I'll even break down. I just think it's so funny
Speaker 5: because this was also in a previous true crime world
Speaker 5: where they viewed weed as this as like the devils
Speaker 5: the devil and it's just.
Speaker 4: Like guys have bongs. Oh oh no, but like.
Speaker 5: The concept of the bit, maybe i'll I'll just break
Speaker 5: it down.
Speaker 4: So the bit is is that.
Speaker 5: Misha Barton is a struggling young woman who's pregnant that
Speaker 5: becomes a sex worker, and this is all about kind
Speaker 5: of her her journey right, and somewhere in this world
Speaker 5: they believe the two young college men that what they'd
Speaker 5: like to do is they rip bongs and then they
Speaker 5: talk to each other and say, hey, what do you
Speaker 5: want to do this afternoon? Why don't we tag team
Speaker 5: a sex worker together? Like that is the single. Just
Speaker 5: the idea of using the phone, like cause, like you, hady,
Speaker 5: this is craigslist, like a casual encounters time period. There
Speaker 5: was no backpage, there was no brothel. We were going
Speaker 5: to red light district. Like just the idea of the
Speaker 5: bravery would take to even send the email say yeah, sure,
Speaker 5: come over and put your address on it. When I
Speaker 5: was high, like back in the day, especially the original high,
Speaker 5: like college high, I thought that the pizza delivery man
Speaker 5: would call the cops. Like I'm not we're not doing
Speaker 5: this together. We're not having me and my buddy aren't
Speaker 5: high five in each other.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so fucking true.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's so true.
Speaker 1: It's like I didn't even think it would more likely
Speaker 1: be bros that were doing that kind of thing than
Speaker 1: like stoner dumbasses.
Speaker 5: It's just with yeah, cocaine, cocaine, Yeah yeah, but guys,
Speaker 5: cocaine hurts the penis too sure, It's just it's one
Speaker 5: of those where, like most of you just sit in silence.
Speaker 5: But it was really funny. But I think the nature
Speaker 5: of it. So then it was the idea that we
Speaker 5: tag teamed. We both had sex with Misha Barton, who
Speaker 5: was a pregnant sex worker, and then she almost had
Speaker 5: a miscaracter.
Speaker 1: And then not only that, but you thought she left,
Speaker 1: but you didn't just still packed up, passed.
Speaker 3: Out in your bed with her water broken.
Speaker 4: Here's a pregnant woman in your apartment. Okay, it's not
Speaker 4: It's just.
Speaker 5: Not gonna happen like this, but you know, in the end,
Speaker 5: it has one of my favorite lines from Christopher Maloney
Speaker 5: that I do love it.
Speaker 4: We're being like, He's like, Sue, what do you guys?
Speaker 4: So what do you guys up to today? And it's
Speaker 4: like just studying and just yeah, for your degree in stupidity. Yes, yes,
Speaker 4: nailed us.
Speaker 2: But as Henry the actor, do you think these are
Speaker 2: just bumble stoners or bad bad boys?
Speaker 4: I think that it was a different world.
Speaker 5: I think that they were in my truly I just
Speaker 5: think and the way we truly played it is that
Speaker 5: they were very, very stupid and it was just a
Speaker 5: weird lark that these two men went on, because it's
Speaker 5: the idea is that we were just sort of like
Speaker 5: a stepping stone, kind of Red Herring style, like we
Speaker 5: were just obstacles to Misha Barton's journey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so we I think of you.
Speaker 5: And the guy I was in it with was super
Speaker 5: Jazz because he was about to quit his he was
Speaker 5: selling He sold cars for a living and then he
Speaker 5: booked that job and he's like, I'm thinking about getting
Speaker 5: in a modeling and then I don't think he ever
Speaker 5: worked ever again.
Speaker 3: And I checked his IMG. I checked his IMDb.
Speaker 1: He has like two credits ever, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, don't quit the car job.
Speaker 4: It's because you made just sell the cars. Just sell
Speaker 4: the cars. Already.
Speaker 5: Things are doing very well for you, and the idea
Speaker 5: that you're thinking about going into modeling means they're also
Speaker 5: probably fairly getting sex, or you think you think that's
Speaker 5: the thing. Also with the idea of transitioning to modeling
Speaker 5: is a very funny.
Speaker 4: Idea, well speaking.
Speaker 2: So you know, you're obviously with your podcast, like you
Speaker 2: guys research fucked up shit, horrible stuff, weird stuff. We
Speaker 2: on this podcast talk about like being haunted. Are there
Speaker 2: things that you've researched that haunt you and have ruined
Speaker 2: your brain?
Speaker 5: You know there are things that I mean, you'd say
Speaker 5: there are there specific things, not as much anymore. Like
Speaker 5: when we do the alien episodes, I do tend to
Speaker 5: have nightmares. I'll have abduction dreams and they really freak
Speaker 5: me out.
Speaker 4: You canna ask.
Speaker 5: Jared about that because also Jared recently, if you could
Speaker 5: tell him, he gave me a bunch of UFO documentaries
Speaker 5: and we were hanging out in Vancouver one time, and
Speaker 5: I've been going through them and they're actually really great.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna rip them and send them to him
Speaker 4: as well. He'll love it all right, all of it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, get away.
Speaker 5: But then you know, like then I say, like, oh,
Speaker 5: it doesn't really affect me. But then you know, I
Speaker 5: have cameras all over my house.
Speaker 4: I wake up in the night.
Speaker 5: I literally this is an habitual behavior I have where
Speaker 5: I wake up in the middle of the night and
Speaker 5: I check all the doors and locks in my home.
Speaker 4: I look out the windows, I look I do a
Speaker 4: lot of that.
Speaker 5: I live a high paranoia lifestyle, and that's really maybe
Speaker 5: I feel like that these two my life and that
Speaker 5: behavior are probably connected to each other. Yeah, but I
Speaker 5: don't know it we just cause then you know, I'm
Speaker 5: really bad insomnia, Like I can go up to three
Speaker 5: weeks at a time no sleep, like literally maybe forty
Speaker 5: five minutes of sleep at night. And then I talk
Speaker 5: to my therapist, which is really hilarious, like trying to
Speaker 5: get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 4: And the first question they always ask is like what
Speaker 4: media do you consume?
Speaker 5: And it's just like nothing, literally nothing but absolute mayhem,
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 1: And then sometimes you're just like why do I feel
Speaker 1: a little bit down, Like what's up with me today?
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, I've just been researching child rape
Speaker 1: all day, That's all.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 5: And then like you know, because Natalie, my wife, Natalie
Speaker 5: has a show about missing women on the Last podcast
Speaker 5: network someplace underneath, and it's like the safe so on
Speaker 5: one end of the house, it's all just.
Speaker 4: Been like when they found her, the only thing left
Speaker 4: was her heel bone.
Speaker 5: And then like to inside here where it's just like
Speaker 5: me deep into like mk ultra or something in this house,
Speaker 5: and then you wonder why Wendy had our dog has
Speaker 5: stomach issues it's just te can.
Speaker 1: Wendy is processing all of this information.
Speaker 4: Yes, in one go, and she's just like or not.
Speaker 1: But is there ever like has there ever been like
Speaker 1: a true crime that you covered that like really blew
Speaker 1: your mind? Like I we just covered the one that
Speaker 1: abducted in plaining sight is based.
Speaker 4: On and we were just like, what the fuck?
Speaker 5: Like ru ruined the sanctuary of my marriage?
Speaker 4: He got got dude, he had sex with the whole family. Man,
Speaker 4: that's crazy. Oh he's crazy. That's that's my reaction too,
Speaker 4: Like you crazy man? The last time I really had one.
Speaker 5: It's kind of funny because the last podcast, I think
Speaker 5: it's about details that come up that are very specific
Speaker 5: and strange that like stick with me. Where like we
Speaker 5: did this long story, we did a coverage of the
Speaker 5: Yorkshire ripper Peter Sutcliffe.
Speaker 3: Oh we just did it. Oh wait, we did it
Speaker 3: for this.
Speaker 4: Oh you did great.
Speaker 5: Fire right now, I am the number must be shooting
Speaker 5: must be incredible. It's crazy. But he one detail that
Speaker 5: they lived laid out. Because the thing about what we
Speaker 5: we criticized crime media media cause they do two things.
Speaker 5: They both make it highly like sinister and make them
Speaker 5: sound like villains right, like, they do this thing they
Speaker 5: make them sound like Boogeyman's that you can never see
Speaker 5: coming because they want to make the audience afraid and
Speaker 5: feel that they're steaks. Right.
Speaker 4: But then on the other.
Speaker 5: Hand, they leave out many, many details of the crime
Speaker 5: for what they believed to be the quote unquote safety
Speaker 5: of their audience.
Speaker 4: I think or they think that people can't handle it.
Speaker 5: But the problem is is that without going into true detail,
Speaker 5: like you really just don't know what happened. You just
Speaker 5: know the media representation of the thing, but you don't
Speaker 5: know actually the events that took place. And one thing
Speaker 5: about the Yorkshire Ripper that was a never and none
Speaker 5: of the true crime coverage was that he used to
Speaker 5: do this thing where he used to wear a sweater
Speaker 5: ass pants so that he can We talked about it
Speaker 5: access to his penis.
Speaker 3: We talked about this.
Speaker 1: He would wear a sweater as pants also so that
Speaker 1: when he kneeled down next to his victims, his knees
Speaker 1: would be on like the elbow pads.
Speaker 4: And support him.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, it's a very bad you know, but these
Speaker 5: are the things that stick with me.
Speaker 4: It's the little like qualities.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, when you said heel bone like that made
Speaker 2: me laugh, like a heel bone.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's well, it's it's it's the specifics, it's like.
Speaker 5: And then with last podcast and left that's why we
Speaker 5: go super exhaustive because we believe that the humor is
Speaker 5: in all of the human stuff. It's all in that.
Speaker 5: It's because in the end, they're not monsters. They're just
Speaker 5: they are fucked up people and so and they come
Speaker 5: from some place and so that's how it's kind of like,
Speaker 5: you know, as true crime grules, it's.
Speaker 4: More like how did they why are they like that?
Speaker 5: But I'm normal, even though we all kind of start
Speaker 5: in the same fucked up place in America.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to say, sometimes all of this knowledge
Speaker 2: does help, because I thought someone was uncaught like shady,
Speaker 2: and I didn't like it, and I asked someone to
Speaker 2: stay with me, and then they pulled out a knife
Speaker 2: on him and I was like, like, I got out
Speaker 2: of there, you know.
Speaker 4: So sometimes you're right.
Speaker 5: I think following your gut is the most in sinctual
Speaker 5: thing on the face of the planet, because.
Speaker 4: Oh, you're all you are. If you're wrong, all you
Speaker 4: are is awkward, and then you just move on. You
Speaker 4: just move on to the next time.
Speaker 5: And what I also what's nice about almost getting to
Speaker 5: forty is truly understanding that nobody gives a single fuck
Speaker 5: what you're doing over there. They just don't even they're
Speaker 5: not even thinking about you. They're just thinking about themselves.
Speaker 5: They're just everybody's wrapped up into their own bullshit. So
Speaker 5: in the end, I also learned the more I'm awkward
Speaker 5: and strange to people, then you get labeled eccentric, and.
Speaker 4: Then you get a lot of a lot of you know,
Speaker 4: social grace. People give you a lot of room.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh that Henry, That Henry, he's just got problem tune.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wait, I wanted to ask you. I wanted to ask
Speaker 3: you because when I.
Speaker 1: First texted you about doing this podcast, you wrote, yes,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to tell you about working with Christopher
Speaker 1: Mellon's And I didn't know if that was a typo
Speaker 1: or that's what you call.
Speaker 4: Him, mister Melons again I have.
Speaker 5: We didn't have a lot of conversations, but at the
Speaker 5: time he was working on this one man show what
Speaker 5: it was called. He was doing this show on Broadway
Speaker 5: or off Broadway where it was a one man show
Speaker 5: and he played was playing like an Iraq war veteran.
Speaker 4: I might be wrong, but I be he was something
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 5: But he was playing a military He was playing a
Speaker 5: military guy, and so the whole time he was just
Speaker 5: talking about a soldier's life, what these guys went through
Speaker 5: an Iraq all this kind of shit. But doing the
Speaker 5: audience can't see it, but I'll show you. It's this
Speaker 5: deep lunge move where he was, he was.
Speaker 4: Standing in front of me.
Speaker 1: They exactly, they know exactly what you're doing because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of photographic evidence of that.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's lunging everybody.
Speaker 5: Doing the lunch right, and because honestly, he is set
Speaker 5: up on his behind all right, his butt is like
Speaker 5: sculpted and you can see through and you know it's
Speaker 5: sculpted because you could see through khakis and if.
Speaker 3: You have them through like cop khakis.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you could see butt through khakis, you are
Speaker 5: you got your krack a lack him.
Speaker 4: That's the old.
Speaker 5: Term from what I've heard, and he is, uh, but
Speaker 5: he is like that. But that was that was all
Speaker 5: the time. So but the thing was, again, there was
Speaker 5: such a system that it needed to be an eight
Speaker 5: hour day, like that's what they do. So this was
Speaker 5: back in the day when they used to have the they.
Speaker 4: Used to have a job. Maybe they still do. Did
Speaker 4: they still have the giant compounds in Jersey? I think so.
Speaker 1: I think they still tape some stuff out there. That's
Speaker 1: apparently where all like the jail and interrogation stuff happens.
Speaker 4: That's where the core room is. And so we went
Speaker 4: all the way out there.
Speaker 5: They had built the set on the compounds and that's
Speaker 5: where we I had went out there.
Speaker 4: But man, it's fucking nuts.
Speaker 5: It's just like they they are cycling through because they'll
Speaker 5: shoot an episode in three days.
Speaker 4: Like at the time too.
Speaker 5: When they were real well oiled machines, so you did
Speaker 5: not have a lot of time. You had I had
Speaker 5: two takes. It had to be done, and you just
Speaker 5: did it. All of the New York shows were like
Speaker 5: that back in the day where they were very It
Speaker 5: was very frightening. And I don't I didn't understand what
Speaker 5: acting like. I don't know how acting gets done in
Speaker 5: that spot unless you are when you're Christopher Mellon's or
Speaker 5: oh shoot Mariska, who is wonderful, who also brilliant person,
Speaker 5: obviously very sweet, she was very very nice, but she
Speaker 5: was she was run.
Speaker 4: In that set.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and did Maloney aka Mellons tried to like get
Speaker 1: that power from her or he allowed like.
Speaker 5: He was doing his own name, Mariska's in charge. He
Speaker 5: went off and he was literally just stretching. Yeah, he
Speaker 5: was just stretching, and then he was like, let's go,
Speaker 5: let's get it. Gun, come on, let's do it. And
Speaker 5: then he would you know, Like it's also the thing
Speaker 5: as a young actor too, when you're around all these
Speaker 5: very experienced people and then.
Speaker 4: Like they just told me what to do and where
Speaker 4: to stand.
Speaker 5: They were like the directors was like trying to say stuff,
Speaker 5: but Maloney literally was like you're gonna stand right here,
Speaker 5: We're gonna do this.
Speaker 4: We're flipping around like they just do.
Speaker 5: They just told me what was gonna happen, and I
Speaker 5: was just like whatever you need.
Speaker 1: No, this is so funny because like you you're saying,
Speaker 1: it was really fast and it was like your second
Speaker 1: thing you ever did, but you remember it.
Speaker 3: Really well, like you were meant a lot of stuff
Speaker 3: from it.
Speaker 5: It meant a lot to me, like it really like
Speaker 5: it was because it was a big deal and I
Speaker 5: really for especially the time because like I was told
Speaker 5: at the time, I was like this, now you're a
Speaker 5: New York actor, like you know, now, now you're in
Speaker 5: the system. Now you're gonna do all of these And
Speaker 5: I did do a bunch of procedurals then in a row.
Speaker 5: It does work like that, and uh, it got me.
Speaker 5: It taught me a lot about TV, like what to
Speaker 5: expect and how how like when you're a day player,
Speaker 5: like how low on the ladder you are as a person,
Speaker 5: and that most of your day needs to be spent
Speaker 5: being out of the way of everyone else.
Speaker 2: Well, since you were that excited, are you, like, were
Speaker 2: you excited about crafty the.
Speaker 5: Snack that was back in the day when I used
Speaker 5: to have to literally take food home. I used to
Speaker 5: go and take food off the craft table and put
Speaker 5: it into a bag and leave with it, like when
Speaker 5: I did my first After that I had done my
Speaker 5: first pilot and I was so so so broke, my
Speaker 5: manager had to pay my sag fees like he did
Speaker 5: it for me, which was actually incredibly sweet.
Speaker 4: But also I booked Ken. Yes, yeah, then yeah.
Speaker 5: He paid for my sag fee because but again a
Speaker 5: check was coming. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's easy to do
Speaker 5: when he could just take it out of the thing, right.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I was on set like and they're all like,
Speaker 5: we're gonna go out to this fancy bar in Midtown,
Speaker 5: and I was just like lie and be like I
Speaker 5: got a show tonight, and I would just like fill
Speaker 5: my bag with stuff from Crafty and take it home.
Speaker 5: So it's like whatever wasn't tied down. But that was
Speaker 5: also then what happened was like I was also when
Speaker 5: I was extra poor and very very sad. What I
Speaker 5: learned from being on set was that oh, if you
Speaker 5: just go up to a Crafty tent and meander for
Speaker 5: a little bit and act like you're a part of
Speaker 5: the crew, you can just eat on that too, and
Speaker 5: they really have a hard time staying like turning you away,
Speaker 5: so you just do it real fast and you just
Speaker 5: take Crafty like off the street.
Speaker 4: It was fun.
Speaker 1: I I've actually thought about doing that before, just to
Speaker 1: see if I could, not like because I'm like.
Speaker 3: Oh, I really need to snack.
Speaker 1: I'm always like I wonder if I can act like
Speaker 1: I'm part of this enough that I'm like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm just grabbing something for yeah, stage two, I'll be you.
Speaker 5: Know, like little All you need is to connect hit
Speaker 5: earphones like it is, and then it's still looking everywhere.
Speaker 5: It's ugh, ugh, they need this now you know, talent's
Speaker 5: waiting now like you act like you're in a huge hurry.
Speaker 4: Do you cause it's life or death? Cara, it's death?
Speaker 1: I know. Do you get texted like every time this
Speaker 1: episode comes on? Because I feel like this is like
Speaker 1: on all the time. I remember when you were first
Speaker 1: on it because this came out when I was like
Speaker 1: just first dating Jared and you guys were friends and
Speaker 1: I was like this guy, you know, Henry's on it
Speaker 1: on my favorite show, Like that's so funny. Like, but
Speaker 1: do you get texted? Because people always tell us like
Speaker 1: cause you know, USA I on every network in the
Speaker 1: world is playing you at a SBU on a marathon,
Speaker 1: So like do you get like people say, just saw
Speaker 1: you on us view?
Speaker 5: Every once in a while, it'll be like a listener
Speaker 5: that for last podcasts in a laughter, somebody who just
Speaker 5: like they'll just randomly like be like is this you?
Speaker 5: And then I have to be like, yes, I did
Speaker 5: use to have beautiful hair, very thick hair, but yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, now with that thing is that mostly
Speaker 5: it's just played so often every once in a while,
Speaker 5: like my mom if I haven't texted my mom back
Speaker 5: yet in like O for a period of time or whatever,
Speaker 5: like I just like, you know, slips my mind. She'll like,
Speaker 5: if she sees it, she'll take a picture. Just been like,
Speaker 5: at least I.
Speaker 4: Could see you on the television. It's been like Jesus Christ, God, parents.
Speaker 2: Are so fucking desperate, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4: They're so that's like, I'm do you watch yourself? I
Speaker 4: hate me? Okay, So no, I try not to as
Speaker 4: much as humanly possible. I try to avoid me.
Speaker 2: So I have kind of a fun game moment. It's
Speaker 2: not about SVU, but I saw you and I love
Speaker 2: the two thousand. Yeah that was yeah, And I'm wondering
Speaker 2: if there was an I love the twenty twenties and
Speaker 2: our life is kind of weird now, But is there
Speaker 2: anything you think you would include or want to include,
Speaker 2: or something I really love about the twenty tens to
Speaker 2: the twenty twenties to present that you would be like, oh,
Speaker 2: this will be talking to about Oh.
Speaker 1: Gosh, this is a lot people aside from your role
Speaker 1: on SBU that would go on the time capsule of
Speaker 1: the odds.
Speaker 5: If you want to be, I'll choose a completely neutral thing,
Speaker 5: which I do think is one of the only good
Speaker 5: things that did come out of this time period was
Speaker 5: the rise of the seamless app. And it's like, I
Speaker 5: love that answer. I want to say thank you, thank
Speaker 5: you to Seamless. And I know it's a terrible company.
Speaker 5: Everyone's mad at any com right, So yes, everybody's mad,
Speaker 5: but still thank you for the years.
Speaker 3: Food delivery, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Food delivery as a concept via not phone was such
Speaker 5: a good transition for this country. It should have saved us.
Speaker 5: It should have I should have done something, but it didn't.
Speaker 1: It did.
Speaker 3: That's a really good answer because because.
Speaker 5: Truthfully, as I think that that, I probably would have drove.
Speaker 5: I would either done Uber or delivery app. Definitely when
Speaker 5: I was coming up, I definitely would have done it
Speaker 5: instead of we had office jobs, Kara, I had an
Speaker 5: office job.
Speaker 4: Someone had to fucking hire me.
Speaker 5: And then I think about that all the time, because no,
Speaker 5: I hire people.
Speaker 4: I do, right, I hire people for the network. And
Speaker 4: now I know I used to be.
Speaker 5: So proud to go ahead and be like and guess what,
Speaker 5: I'm also a comedian, and now I know you never
Speaker 5: hire a comedian ever to do any job that's not be.
Speaker 4: A waiter, right, they can't handle it.
Speaker 5: They're not there, they're not emotionally there, you know, or
Speaker 5: receptionist or that's a great one. That's a great one
Speaker 5: because again you can get because the one thing I
Speaker 5: was iced about the office job back in the day
Speaker 5: because we did sketch comedy thousands of dollars of copies.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, thousands of dollars, like all of the office supplies.
Speaker 4: We had highlighters, we had buyers posts, yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: I remember when we first did the Fringe in New
Speaker 5: York and it was like I was printing out full
Speaker 5: like long sheet posters just like then people show it
Speaker 5: up just being like why there's.
Speaker 4: No color ink in this anymore?
Speaker 1: And be like I don't know, I don't no, oh,
Speaker 1: and I'm married to such a office supply fevery pussy
Speaker 1: like he won't do it, and like when he was
Speaker 1: looking at Cordon, I'd be like, we need paper, can
Speaker 1: you just grab some at Cordon And he'd be like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that, and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: what this job bring us some supplies?
Speaker 4: This is your family, this is your family. You chose
Speaker 4: James over my family. This is your family?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 4: What if this was World War three?
Speaker 3: Oh my, Henry, I'm being serious.
Speaker 1: We've had so many people right to us and be like,
Speaker 1: you've got to have Henry on, and it's like you're
Speaker 1: great in this episode. But it's not like you're They
Speaker 1: don't write and say get me Sha Martin. They write
Speaker 1: and say get Henry Zebrowski for this episode.
Speaker 3: We have a lot of crossover.
Speaker 4: Is she easy to talk to? Like, do you think
Speaker 4: you could get could you get me? She wort? And
Speaker 4: you should? You should? I don't think we should. We
Speaker 4: didn't try.
Speaker 3: We went for you, We went for you, We didn't
Speaker 3: try for her.
Speaker 4: Also, I'm talking.
Speaker 2: This has also been very unique and fun and you
Speaker 2: have a lot to say. It's like a Greg I've
Speaker 2: I've been entertained and that's exciting.
Speaker 4: All I do is talk all day long.
Speaker 1: Well, Also, we kind of talked about how she's not
Speaker 1: that good in the episode, so it would have been
Speaker 1: weird to have her on.
Speaker 3: We would have had to cut that out. She's she's
Speaker 3: not an episode.
Speaker 4: She's acting for two.
Speaker 5: First of all, all right, because she is fake pregnant
Speaker 5: and she just was Oh god, just oh, she must
Speaker 5: not have been happy.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, I think she thought she was gonna be a
Speaker 3: bigger star.
Speaker 2: Maybe this was like she thought it was beneath her
Speaker 2: because she was a teen icon, like I have no idea.
Speaker 2: But she bombed. Yeah, she couldn't fall, like she wasn't
Speaker 2: great at it. And then it seems like by your
Speaker 2: body lang, which she was a coun she.
Speaker 5: She just was in.
Speaker 4: She was indifferent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was probably like let's get this over with.
Speaker 5: Yeah, believe me, I understand because but there was also
Speaker 5: a part of me it was been like this is
Speaker 5: a big deal for me, like I wanted to be like,
Speaker 5: I'm very excited about our work together today because I
Speaker 5: didn't know who she was.
Speaker 2: I know, but we've talked to Oscar winners who are
Speaker 2: excited to be on it. So it's also like being cynical.
Speaker 2: I'm just against cynicism. I think you should enjoy everything,
Speaker 2: and so to me, it's like that's disappointing, but it
Speaker 2: shows in her performance that she didn't care.
Speaker 5: So I remember I was in the first season of
Speaker 5: Girls and I remember like man Adam Driver was like,
Speaker 5: it's like we need to rehearse and so it's like
Speaker 5: I went ahead to go with him and hang out
Speaker 5: with you, Like he really gave a ship and he
Speaker 5: was just there.
Speaker 4: It was really weird.
Speaker 5: Now he's like a superstar obviously, but it's the thing
Speaker 5: at the time period, you don't know.
Speaker 4: That's one of my favorite shows. Who Were You? In
Speaker 4: Season one?
Speaker 5: I was the fat dude that did the improvise play
Speaker 5: with Adam Driver that was adding adding.
Speaker 4: To it. Oh my god, cool, very dumb. It was fun.
Speaker 5: I love to do it. But it shows the difference
Speaker 5: where like Nisha Barton wouldn't want to be involved and
Speaker 5: then all you have a look at this other show
Speaker 5: where it was like they were all working very very hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and it show. I mean, it kind of
Speaker 1: shows with what she's up to now. Not to talk
Speaker 1: too much shit, but you know we are.
Speaker 2: This is the most shit we've ever talked outside of
Speaker 2: like a murderer rapist.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we're really dragging.
Speaker 5: I'm also not including myself because she was neutral to
Speaker 5: me and I barely understand who she is as a person.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, and I'm not found on her other stuff.
Speaker 2: Any tidbits. I know you weren't in with Iced Tea
Speaker 2: did you see him walk around? Was a Coco sighting.
Speaker 4: No, we were very much so separated. He wasn't there.
Speaker 4: And they I think they really do.
Speaker 5: It's like they have Chris and and they have like
Speaker 5: those days and then they have his days and then
Speaker 5: they separate all the schedules because you really are just
Speaker 5: banging them out.
Speaker 4: Uh. Then they just do it. They block shoot it
Speaker 4: just boom boom boom. So I didn't see him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but again, you know, I will say Chris Maloney
Speaker 5: and Mariska they took their times to like say hello.
Speaker 5: I know it sounds like that's ridiculous, but in terms
Speaker 5: of doing day playing, like they spoke to us as
Speaker 5: if we had blood in us, which was very nice,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like we weren't house plants,
Speaker 5: so that was very very nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we hear that a lot like that.
Speaker 1: They make it make it nice for the people that
Speaker 1: are coming and even though like some people are just
Speaker 1: there for a day or two.
Speaker 5: Obviously loved the show, like it's like one of those
Speaker 5: things that they were very investing.
Speaker 1: So obviously besides your hit podcast, Last Podcast on the Left,
Speaker 1: your podcast network, the Last podcast Network, what do you
Speaker 1: have anything coming up that you want people to our
Speaker 1: listeners to check out or anything like that if you
Speaker 1: have some crossover. But this might be a new audience
Speaker 1: that's just meeting Henry Szabowski. So what should they check out?
Speaker 1: They're gonna fall in love. Get ready for compliment.
Speaker 5: I need them. I need them every day. Go your
Speaker 5: pretty face to going to hell. My show for adult
Speaker 5: swims now on HBO Max. More people have seen it
Speaker 5: since get on HBO Max, since before it was on
Speaker 5: the channel that.
Speaker 3: Was so funny with an old improv friend of mine.
Speaker 1: Craig Wowen is your co star and I love I
Speaker 1: can highly recommend you're pretty much ill.
Speaker 4: I deeply missed my show and then I uh, Last
Speaker 4: Comic Book on the Left.
Speaker 5: I'm currently selling an anthology comic book that me and
Speaker 5: Marcus edited, uh and we are.
Speaker 4: It's awesome.
Speaker 5: It's called Last Book on the Left and it's out
Speaker 5: there through Z two Comics dot com. We're about to
Speaker 5: sell our second We sold out our our first runs.
Speaker 5: We're about to do a second volume.
Speaker 4: So we love it so well. Yeah, check it out
Speaker 4: if you're into comic books.
Speaker 3: Amazing, Henry, thank you so much for talking to us.
Speaker 3: You're one with us a blastner.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with him and I want him to be
Speaker 2: a guest every week. Like I understand why his podcast
Speaker 2: is so popular and why he was so highly requested.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just so good at talking. I've never met it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that was the most quiet I've ever been
Speaker 2: in an interview. I was just amazed. He was just
Speaker 2: like yeah, I felt so happy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I love when we talk to someone that has
Speaker 1: kind of like a smaller part but has so much
Speaker 1: info and like so much much to say, you know,
Speaker 1: like hell, because it meant obviously meant.
Speaker 4: A lot to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love that, you know, speaking from someone
Speaker 2: that just got kicked by a horse in the movie Nope.
Speaker 3: Which a lot of people are noticing you. We're getting messages,
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: Joke.
Speaker 1: Quazala sent me a text with the gift of Leonardo
Speaker 1: DiCaprio pointing at the TV like he knows someone you
Speaker 1: know that gift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I really was. But then he goes, was
Speaker 2: there more to it? And they cut you out? I go, Nope,
Speaker 2: that was it, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Nope, Nope, please see the name of the movie.
Speaker 4: Nope. I also couldn't believe that Henry brought up the
Speaker 4: Yorkshire Ripper without right now connecting.
Speaker 3: I don't think he knew it was like the crime
Speaker 3: for today, so so so wild.
Speaker 4: What I want to I want to hang out.
Speaker 2: I want to know aliens, and it's nice to know
Speaker 2: someone else is having a lot of residual effects from
Speaker 2: reading scary stories all the time. Yes, for sure, for sure,
Speaker 2: not that I want other people to suffer, but yeah, No,
Speaker 2: he's awesome.
Speaker 1: I love him and his whole group of friends. They're
Speaker 1: just all fun, awesome, like positive people.
Speaker 4: And we learned what we always learn.
Speaker 2: Police are trash, men are trash, and sex workers are
Speaker 2: not considered people.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean I really would encourage people to
Speaker 1: see to watch what I watched on Netflix, the Yorkshire Ripper,
Speaker 1: like the Ripper series that I watched, just like even
Speaker 1: if you started episode like three where the women start
Speaker 1: to really talk about how they were, like no one
Speaker 1: was listening to us, like we were figuring out like
Speaker 1: the women journalists that worked on it and stuff. It
Speaker 1: was just really interesting how groups of men just like
Speaker 1: create a narrative, stick to it, and then when it's
Speaker 1: not working for years, they just dig in their heels
Speaker 1: instead of saying like, I don't know, should we ask
Speaker 1: anybody else what's going on?
Speaker 2: Also, were you nervous when Henry was going to give
Speaker 2: a clue that you didn't have it or something like
Speaker 2: when he said it was the dickal I was happy.
Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck is he gonna say?
Speaker 2: What is he gonna say, poke a hole through our work?
Speaker 1: I know. I was like, oh God, I hope I
Speaker 1: have what he has, but yeah, the fucking But I
Speaker 1: didn't know if it was so his dick could be accessible,
Speaker 1: because I don't think he ever sexually assaulted anyone as
Speaker 1: far as I know, So I thought it was literally
Speaker 1: for the knee pads on the elbows. But I'm sure
Speaker 1: I'll hear from some listeners when they.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess this is a long time ago, because
Speaker 2: I was like, get some volleyball knee pads, like you like,
Speaker 2: get some roller blade hard kneepads.
Speaker 1: Like in the seventies, he like invents me pads for rollerblades. Yeah,
Speaker 1: safety wasn't huge in the seventies. You could stick as
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's a comic who drove here and
Speaker 1: I got into their car.
Speaker 4: Three rows of seats. I love it.
Speaker 2: It felt so good the moment I walked in, I go, now,
Speaker 2: this is living, this is living. I mean to fit
Speaker 2: that many people in a sexy, sexy jeep. I loved it.
Speaker 2: And they had like a special sound system. No one
Speaker 2: in our lives really is like that into sound. I think, well,
Speaker 2: you know our sound people. It was like, do you
Speaker 2: know this Macintosh speakers sound system? It was like they
Speaker 2: bought it for the sounds.
Speaker 4: Whatever.
Speaker 3: I just I haven't been in three rows of seats
Speaker 3: in a while and it felt nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like, eventually, when my kids are older, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to invest in a third row because like that,
Speaker 1: you bring their friends around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm about to.
Speaker 1: Say, you know, you're gonna take her to like rugby
Speaker 1: practice with all her friends. I love that You've already
Speaker 1: pigeonholed Rosie as a full rugby playing lesbian.
Speaker 4: She could be anywhere she.
Speaker 2: Wants on the spectrum, but there's no way she's not
Speaker 2: gonna want to run and bump into people and shut
Speaker 2: them to the ground.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I played rugby for a semester and then I
Speaker 1: was like, this is too rough. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: drink but that is so fucking funny. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: taking rug Rosie to rugbyice in.
Speaker 4: My third row.
Speaker 3: My favorite was for swim team.
Speaker 1: Like in the summer, we would swim at like, you know,
Speaker 1: six in the morning at the outdoor pools.
Speaker 4: But once well, now you.
Speaker 2: Know me, I am a little bit, but I would
Speaker 2: immediately get in the car and stop to start talking,
Speaker 2: and people would have to be like, shut up, shut up,
Speaker 2: it's six, We're done. Like the moms would be like,
Speaker 2: shut your fucking it's quiet.
Speaker 3: Time now, Lisa jash Rosie. That's fucking Rosie in the car.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm gonna turn on some music and
Speaker 1: we're not gonna talk for a little bit.
Speaker 3: And then she just talks over the music. It's like crazy, No,
Speaker 3: it's not crazy, it's you. She's three you, it's it's
Speaker 3: three yeah, lucky, yeah nice.
Speaker 4: Try to get out of that. No.
Speaker 1: I tell people all the time I go, my daughter's
Speaker 1: driving me insane, and she is me and I am
Speaker 1: reaping what I sew.
Speaker 3: Everything is coming back to me.
Speaker 4: It's karma.
Speaker 5: She is me.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: My sister always used to judge my parents and how
Speaker 2: they like parented me. And then she got a daughter
Speaker 2: that's similar to me, and it has to be a
Speaker 2: little more lenient than she thought.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I got some I was like drilling your
Speaker 1: sister for parenting tips when I met her in Chicago,
Speaker 1: I was like, how do you get into that your
Speaker 1: kids love you so much?
Speaker 2: Like, well, it's also all casual and with experience and it.
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't like she immediately started like that,
Speaker 2: but then I like her things. She goes, if it's
Speaker 2: not gonna matter tomorrow or in a week, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to care about it. Yeah, and that's that she's like,
Speaker 2: and she goes, I want them to remember the way
Speaker 2: I make them feel. And she's an example of like
Speaker 2: someone she saw a parent like their kid came and
Speaker 2: was like, oh, why are you wearing that again? Instead
Speaker 2: of like, oh, how was your weekend away? And she goes,
Speaker 2: I just don't want to nitpick on things that aren't
Speaker 2: going to matter in a week, and I want them
Speaker 2: to remember me being like, how is your weekend?
Speaker 4: What did you do?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like it's just hippy dippy shit. I
Speaker 3: guess no, it no, but okay.
Speaker 1: But without getting into a full episode of the Parent
Speaker 1: Footprint podcast, which I've already been a guest shot. Like
Speaker 1: it's it's what I try to talk about on there
Speaker 1: a little bit. It's like I feel like sometimes I
Speaker 1: get too bogged down in like the detail, like don't
Speaker 1: let her get away with too much stuff, or she's
Speaker 1: going to turn into like a brat, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, is it gonna matter tomorrow?
Speaker 4: Is it gonna matter next week?
Speaker 1: Like just I'm trying to like embrace fun mom a
Speaker 1: little bit more and be like, let's just not like
Speaker 1: totally like you know, let her run run the place,
Speaker 1: but like a little bit less that doesn't match with
Speaker 1: that you can't wear that, you know, like just now.
Speaker 2: This one therapist I talked to for was like, you
Speaker 2: just have to love the shit out of your kid
Speaker 2: for who they are because the world is you know,
Speaker 2: so you have less to yeah reprogram when you're an adult. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we talked about this, listen, pat of thing's
Speaker 2: hard and no matter what you do, your kids will
Speaker 2: hate you, So deal with it.
Speaker 4: Can't wait.
Speaker 1: She's gonna hate me in a third row though, she's
Speaker 1: gonna hate me from the third row. All right, let's
Speaker 1: get into what would Sister Peg do our weekly segment
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Speaker 1: a doc, something that you can go to to get
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Speaker 1: I was sort of inspired by like how like what
Speaker 1: seems like the impossible? Sunshine felt like she couldn't get
Speaker 1: out of sex work, like she wasn't, like she'd been
Speaker 1: abused since she was young, and like just now or
Speaker 1: felt like she could. I'm not saying everyone in sex
Speaker 1: work has been abused and it's a choice people make,
Speaker 1: but if she wanted to get out, she felt like
Speaker 1: she couldn't get out. So I found this organization called Treasures.
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