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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods, presented by first Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First

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Speaker 1: Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, we're going to discuss the many ways that

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Speaker 2: developing a running habit can help you become a better hunter.

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Speaker 2: And we're diving into all sorts of best practices and

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Speaker 2: recommendations for taking your running to the next level when

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Speaker 2: it comes to increased training, taking it to the trails,

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Speaker 2: better nutrition, taking part in races, and a whole lot

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Speaker 2: more when it comes to developing physical and mental toughness.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome, come back to the wired ton podcast,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by First Light and their Camo for

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Speaker 2: Conservation Initiative, which gives a portion of every sale of

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Speaker 2: First Light's Whitetail Camel pattern. A portion of every sale

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Speaker 2: of that stuff goes to support the National Dear Association,

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Speaker 2: which is an organization that I am passionate about and

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Speaker 2: interested in and excited about. And I'll tell you another

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Speaker 2: thing I am passionate about, interested in, and excited about

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Speaker 2: that's running and that might not be something that you

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Speaker 2: would think would show up on a white tail hunting podcast,

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Speaker 2: which usually Wired Hunt is, But if you've been listening

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Speaker 2: the last couple of years, you know that's been something

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Speaker 2: I've been diving into more myself, and you know I

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Speaker 2: found with this podcast And maybe you feel differently, but

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Speaker 2: I have found that when I pursue and dive more

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Speaker 2: into the things that get me curious, that get me

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Speaker 2: on when I chase those things, it usually ends up

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Speaker 2: leading to better content for you guys, because if I'm

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Speaker 2: not interested in it, if I'm bored with it, it's

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Speaker 2: going to translate into the content. And so I am

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Speaker 2: committing myself to continue to chase and explore and further,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Explore, I guess is the word I'm

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Speaker 2: reaching for, and I already said it, but I'm going

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Speaker 2: to continue down those paths when it comes to whitetail hunting,

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Speaker 2: when it comes to hunting in general, when it comes

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Speaker 2: to conservation, when it comes to ways to grow as

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Speaker 2: a person or in this case, with a set of training,

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Speaker 2: practices and habits that help you become a better hunter,

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Speaker 2: to help you become a more effective human. I think

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Speaker 2: it helps you out in a whole lot of other

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Speaker 2: to be for me. As you guys know, I am

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Speaker 2: not the Cam Hagnes type. I'm not some super uber

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Speaker 2: My friends say I look gumby, So I'm not impressing

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Speaker 2: anybody with my physical prowess or my physique. But here

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Speaker 2: I am on a podcast talking to you about running

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Speaker 2: That's the case we're gonna try to make today, and

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Speaker 2: my guest is Weston. Paul Weston works for Mountain Tough,

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Speaker 2: which is a gym and online digital gym, I.

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Speaker 2: They've got a whole suite of video courses you can

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Speaker 2: They get a podcast, all sorts of resources to help

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Speaker 2: people train specifically for mountain hunting and mountain hunting related pursuit,

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Speaker 2: So I enjoyed this one. It's a change of pace

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four edition of the Working for Wildlife tour.

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Speaker 2: We're back a second year of the program. If you

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Speaker 2: if you're not familiar with this. The Working for Wildlife

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Speaker 2: to give back to the public lands that we all

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Speaker 2: meet other like minded hunter and anglers, you know, get

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Speaker 2: We did six of them last year. They were amazing.

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Speaker 2: We made real progress, We made of real impact on

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Speaker 2: a dang good time doing it. We've got three of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, in Kentucky. The second event is June

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Speaker 2: these events are in collaboration with the National Deer Association.

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Speaker 2: Boundary Waters. All three events, we're gonna be doing various

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Speaker 2: We're gonna do some good work. I would really like

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Speaker 2: Mentioned May eighteenth is that first one in Kentucky at

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Speaker 2: the Daniel Bloone National Forest. You can get the details

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Speaker 2: easiest way is maybe just google twenty twenty four working

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Speaker 2: I think we should get to my chat with Weston.

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Speaker 2: He's a great guy, a you know, a wealth of

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Speaker 2: to my chat with Weston. Paul, All right with me

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Speaker 3: Paul. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, Monica.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited to be here. Yeah, me too.

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Speaker 2: It's like jarring because I'm like, is this the name, Like,

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Speaker 3: Weston constantly. Yeah, any like most email interactions, people just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a good guy. He was a good guy.

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Speaker 2: So the name seems to follow good folks. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm glad to be speaking to the real Paul. Well

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Speaker 3: So thank you for that. Really very welcome. I was like,

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Speaker 3: because there's these things that runners don't talk about, or

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Speaker 3: This this goes way back to my childhood and it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like I've long known and thought that

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Speaker 2: because ninety percent of it still is up to mother

433
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 2: nature and what those critters are doing out there and

434
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 2: random chance. And there's just so many times where physical,

435
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 2: physical obstacles can keep you from doing the right thing.

436
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 2: If you are hiking along and you know you really

437
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: should get to that back valley at the back of

438
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: the chunk of public land, but you're huffing and puffing

439
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: and exhausted, you're more likely to say, Oscar, I'm just

440
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: going to sit here and not know execute the plan

441
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: the way you wanted to, or maybe vice versa. Like

442
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: you're done hunting for the day, and the right thing

443
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 2: to do is to take the long way around so

444
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 2: that you avoid the evening food source where all the

445
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: deer are. Now that's after dark. But after the hunt,

446
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 2: you're tired. You had the long hike in that you

447
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: know earlier that day, and you're thinking, gosh, I don't

448
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 2: want to walk two miles to get out the back way.

449
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 2: I'm just going to walk straight to the road. Who cares,

450
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 2: I'll spoak a bunch of deer. But I'm too darn tired.

451
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 2: I don't want to be that person. I want to

452
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: be the person that says, I got two miles. It's

453
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: the right thing to do, no big deal. I've trained

454
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 2: for this. I'm fine. I'm gonna do the right thing.

455
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 3: There's so many direction Yeah, like you have that choice,

456
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 3: and if you're you know your physical state is interfering

457
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 3: with that, you can change it. And that's like one,

458
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 3: that's one thing you can buy, like all the gear

459
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: you can buy, have all the stuff, you can do

460
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 3: all that, but the bottom line, like your body, what

461
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 3: you put in is what you get out, so that

462
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 3: input you know, as a as a hunter, and and too,

463
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 3: It's so true. It's not not for everybody. Running is

464
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 3: not for everybody. But I'd encourage everyone always to just

465
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 3: be active. You know, go on a walk, and yes,

466
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 3: campaigns is running all kinds of stuff, but shoot a

467
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 3: walk with a with a heavy pack on your backpack,

468
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 3: you know, the equivalent weight of your tree stand and

469
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 3: going and getting outside and the benefits of that. Plus

470
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: in the Midwest, there's so much beauty. Everything's greening up,

471
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 3: and like you're you're in the deer woods oftentimes, Like

472
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 3: you can get out there and you can see it,

473
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: and you can learn so much by running just gives

474
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 3: you the opportunity to learn so much of Hey, if

475
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 3: you've got a trail system, you're hunting public land, gosh,

476
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 3: you can pick up on a lot of patterns and

477
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff too. Plus you get to be

478
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 3: out in that beautiful environment. I do know, Like running

479
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 3: in say Wisconsin or something like that, I was like,

480
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 3: the deer flies would always get me. So my mom's

481
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 3: cousin she has these little sticky things that she puts

482
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Speaker 3: on the back of her hat because she runs it

483
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 3: like every day. She's in Wisconsin and she runs every day,

484
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 3: And so when I'd be out there visiting them, I'd

485
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: get one of those little sticky patches, and those deer

486
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 3: flies would stick to it because I've run too slow.

487
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 3: That's amazing.

488
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: Anyway, But speaking of like gear other than sticky pads

489
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: for your hat, one of the nice things about choosing

490
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: running as one of your main training methods is like

491
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: it's so accessible. You don't need to pay for gym

492
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: membership right out the gate. You don't need to buy

493
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: a bunch of heavy equipment. You don't need to buy

494
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: any machines. I mean, if you just want to get started,

495
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: you just need a pair of shoes that are half

496
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 2: decent and you can go anywhere. Yeah, that's so, it's

497
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: just so few barriers to entry. And it seems like,

498
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: you know, there's a million different ways you can go

499
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: when it comes to physical training for pursuit like hunting.

500
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: There's many different levels of intensity you can take it.

501
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: But am I right in thinking like, at least for

502
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: your standard whitetail hunter who wants to establish a better

503
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 2: base of fitness that they're not huffing and puffing when

504
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: going to the stand or when hiking in or when

505
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 2: climbing trees or anything like that. Like, it seems like

506
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 2: cardio stuff that running is going to help you with.

507
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 2: That's like checkbox number one that you need to hit.

508
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 3: Is am I right on that? Yeah? It definitely that

509
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: that your ability to your your body's ability for your

510
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 3: muscles to take in oxygen so that you can utilize

511
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: that off oxygen than any sort of cardiovascular fitness run

512
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: in riding a bike and elliptical like those sort of

513
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: machines that just get your heart rate up, and your

514
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 3: heart rate doesn't have to go that high. It's a

515
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 3: conversation pace. Honestly, if you can carry on a conversation

516
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: with somebody while you're doing that exercise, that's the pace

517
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 3: that you want to go at. That is actually the

518
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 3: one that gives you the most benefit. I'll still put

519
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 3: a disclaimer that I'm not an exercise physiologist or anything

520
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 3: like that, but but having a conversation and being able

521
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: to maintain that effort gives you your your body's ability

522
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 3: to increase red blood cell count so that you can

523
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 3: take in more oxygen so that you can adequately use

524
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: that oxygen then and and it's really quite easy. So

525
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 3: running running is that like go and it's a jog

526
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: and it's slow, and that's okay. There's training blocks for

527
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 3: for us as runners when we get like really geek

528
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: out on it and we want to go for it.

529
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 3: In the endurance space, there's zone zone two training and

530
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: you don't want to go above that, so you spend

531
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: all of your time running low and slow because in

532
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 3: the long run, it pays off the most and It's

533
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 3: kind of like with everything, like doing it slow is

534
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: doing it right? Doing it slow is you know, doing

535
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: it fast right. Those sort of sayings. So you've heard

536
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 3: people say it, you know, for a long time, regardless

537
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: of where you are, those types of sayings. That's that's

538
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: the benefit to you of that that cardiovascular training, which, yeah,

539
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: a pair of shoes, a pair of shoes that doesn't

540
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: you know, hurt your feet that are comfortable when you

541
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: put them on, and you can go and go get

542
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: out in the morning or the afternoon or the evening

543
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: and just see like this beautiful creation that we get

544
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: to be you know, present in. And then you get

545
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: to see it outside of hunting season too, which is

546
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: which is awesome. You get to watch those seasons change. Man.

547
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: So true.

548
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: So so if someone wants to if someone's at the

549
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: beginning stages of this and they're like, hey, you know

550
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: what I gotta I've ran off and on, or I

551
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: used to play sports in college and I've kind of

552
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: drift away. Life gets busy, work gets buy. If you've

553
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: got kids, whatever it is, and you've fallen off the

554
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: bandwagon a little bit, what would your advice be for

555
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: someone who wants to pick this up, try to develop

556
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: some kind of running routine or habit to get the

557
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: kind of benefits we're talking about. What do we need

558
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: to do to enjoy this kind of benefit? Do I

559
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: need to run fifty miles a week? Or can I

560
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: get away less? Like what's that actually look like?

561
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, don't run fifty miles a week. Definitely not

562
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 3: off the couch. You would be a crazy person if

563
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: you do that, and you'll have ailments or you'll find

564
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: out I can do that, and then you'll go win races. Probably.

565
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 3: But starting small is always so important. And when it

566
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: comes to I'll just say, like getting up in the morning,

567
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 3: for instance, and going for a thirty minute walk. Heck,

568
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 3: go for a fifteen minute walk. And if you can jog,

569
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: jog for fifteen minutes and come home like I my

570
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 3: limit that I set on my phone for Instagram each

571
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 3: day is thirty minutes, and I hit that in no time.

572
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: It's too easy. I could have got a I could

573
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: have got a run in, and I could have gone

574
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 3: a few miles actually at a ten minute mile pace,

575
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: and so you could go a couple miles, you could

576
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 3: go a few miles. But just starting and creating that

577
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 3: habit so that you look forward to, say getting up

578
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: in the morning, hearing the birds chirp because it's spring

579
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: and it's wonderful out and just leaving your getting out

580
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: the door and turn around and coming back and then

581
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: getting up the next morning and doing it again, or

582
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: getting up every other morning and doing it. But it

583
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: takes you know, typically what three weeks to a month

584
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: to create a habit, and so for an individual to

585
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: like look forward to doing that, you don't have to

586
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: get on a training plan and and just go for

587
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: it big and start up in your mileage. Just just

588
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: look forward to it, I would say, and go set

589
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 3: a goal for yourself and set a small goal and

590
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 3: then get the confidence out of reaching that goal, because

591
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter the miles. Like you, I ran a

592
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: marathon a day. Bob Campaignes would even say it nobody

593
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 3: cares funny, but yeah, I'm like, but but really like

594
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: what matters is that you're doing that for yourself and

595
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 3: you're getting out there. And I mean, it's nice to

596
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: have a buddy an accountability partner as well. So if

597
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 3: you if you have somebody that you know would maybe

598
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: hold you accountable. My wife, like, she has a coworker

599
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 3: who's a workout buddy and they both work out at

600
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: different times of the day, but her friend, her coworker

601
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: texts her every morning that she does her workout and says,

602
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 3: I did it, And the same could go for you know,

603
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: if it if it's your spouse or your kid or

604
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 3: a friend, somebody out there would help hold you accountable

605
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: and then you could encourage them to go and do

606
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: that as well, which is a nice way to like, Yeah,

607
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: I want to I want to wake up, I want

608
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: to do this. The other piece for me is I

609
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 3: love popping in a podcast. I'm going to listen to

610
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: your podcast anyway, so why don't I move while I

611
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 3: listen to your podcast. It's a great combo, and you know,

612
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: then listen to it, listen to a book, listen to

613
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: another podcast that you haven't heard of, listen to music,

614
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: and kind of enjoy that as well, because it is

615
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: time like you're going to spend that time anyway, so

616
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: just be active while you're doing it.

617
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's there's a book that I love called Atomic Habits.

618
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 2: But James Clear, I've talked about it. You know, listeners

619
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: will know I talk about a decent bit. But uh,

620
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: but the things you're talking about are right in line

621
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: with like his approach. You know, attach these like positive

622
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: associations to the thing. So make it easy to get started,

623
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: make it fun, you know, make it something that you

624
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: want to continue to doing because you've got all these

625
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: other positive things attached to it. And then you know,

626
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: after a month, all of a sudden, you've done it

627
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 2: for a month now and it's been fun, and then

628
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: the thing itself, you all all of a sudden start realising, hey,

629
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: I'm enjoying this for the sake of it. And then

630
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: it continues and it's a perpetual cycle, and it does

631
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: seem you know, like anything anything fitness related, and I

632
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: think running included, it comes down to consistency, right, Yeah,

633
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: Like a couple of big runs is great, but a

634
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: lot of medium or short runs over a long period

635
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 2: of time, that's where you start seeing gains and improvement

636
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: is when that's becomes a consistent thing that you can

637
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: keep doing and keep doing, and then improvement start racking up.

638
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 3: Yeah big time. And then you watch those and you

639
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: do you truly look forward to once that's a habit,

640
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 3: It's it's something that you look forward to doing that

641
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 3: you don't want to miss out on And I'll say

642
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 3: with running, a lot of us we're we're out west,

643
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 3: we're Montana and Midwest. We have our seasons and so

644
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 3: it's not like you got to run through the winter,

645
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 3: like enjoy your enjoy your winter and when spring comes

646
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: around and like go and run, because too much of

647
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 3: one thing is always like it's always gonna bite you.

648
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 3: Too much of one thing of just running all the time,

649
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: I mean, it comes around more and like I'm so

650
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 3: obsessive about this that other parts of my life are

651
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 3: falling apart. So the running is a problem. But but

652
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 3: but you don't have to you don't have to run

653
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 3: year round. Like it's something that you can pick up,

654
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 3: you can turn into training for a hunting season. I

655
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: was like, there's a lot of people now that are

656
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 3: they're getting ready for the Turkey Woods, and they're and

657
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: they're getting into a fitness routine to get ready for

658
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 3: turkey season, which who would have thought like somebody would

659
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: actually do that, But they know because they're on their

660
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: feet a bit more, they're walking, they're covering ground, and

661
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 3: and they want to be able to, you know, not

662
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: be overly sweaty. They want to be able to execute

663
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 3: a shot as well. And so we see that in

664
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: the in the turkey hunter population that there are actually

665
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 3: people out that are going, hey, I want to lose

666
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 3: some weight because I don't want to be lugging this around.

667
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: And I love hunting turkeys, which is amazing.

668
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when it comes to like making it fun, yeah,

669
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 2: you know, fun enough that you keep wanting to do

670
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: it that you start seeing these things. I've ran on

671
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: the road for I don't know, at least a decade,

672
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: fifteen years, you know, out of college. I was kind

673
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: of a bum for the first five years of full

674
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: time work, just like I was very focused on work

675
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 2: and just did not I guess I take that back.

676
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: I guess I've been running ever since college, just just

677
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: off and on. I'll have periods where I'm doing it

678
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: and I know I need to do it, and then

679
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: I kind of fall off the bandwagon. Then I get

680
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: back on it, and it's been off and on, and

681
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: I think it's always been one of those things that

682
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: for me was like it felt like an obligation, like

683
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: I knew I should do it. I felt good after

684
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: I did it, but that the actual on the ground

685
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: time I wasn't always enjoying until I started leaving the

686
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: road and going to trails. And since I kind of somehow,

687
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: I don't know how this surprises me because I love hiking.

688
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: That's been like one of my favorite things to do

689
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: is go hike. So for some reason, I'm so dumb

690
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 2: that I didn't realize that going a little bit faster

691
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: on a trail would also be fun. So since I

692
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: moved my running from the road to the trail, my

693
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: excitement about it and like my my actual enjoyment in

694
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: the moment has gone up by like ten x, just

695
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 2: because I'm not worried about cars. I'm not worried about

696
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: you know, just staring at the road or houses, I

697
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: can actually immerse myself in nature and you're taking in

698
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: the trees and the scenes and the ups and downs,

699
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: and you're crossing streams and you're smelling everything around you.

700
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: I'm seeing deer and turkeys, and all of a sudden,

701
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: it's you know, as you mentioned, it's like it is

702
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: a natural world immersion kind of thing and a physical

703
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: benefit that you're enjoying all at the same time. So

704
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: for people that are taking that jump shifting from like

705
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: road running or running at the track or running on

706
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 2: the treadmill, and now they want to take it to

707
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: the trails and they're maybe you know, hillier, more elevation,

708
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: single track stuff, mixed terrain. You know, this year was

709
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 2: when I finally got more serious about that side of things,

710
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: and so I've been trying to like, you know, one

711
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: of the first things I started thinking about when I

712
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: realized I was going to be doing more of this

713
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 2: was like, am I gonna blow out my ankles?

714
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 3: Like?

715
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: Am I gonna be tripping and falling all the time?

716
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: Like there's all these little things that never thought about

717
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 2: when running that all of a sudden, I am What

718
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: are what, in your opinion, are the most important things

719
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 2: that a new trail runner needs to be thinking about.

720
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: That's that's different than just taking a jog around the neighborhood.

721
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Road running is its own version of difficult

722
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 3: because of the beating that your body takes running on pavement.

723
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: So shoes are like a big help there, just a

724
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: good pair of shoes on on the roads. But when

725
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 3: you switch over to trails, you are working on uneven terrain,

726
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 3: so your shoes are important there as well. More grip

727
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 3: so you get a trail running shoe, something that's comfortable,

728
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: but there isn't like a lot of ankle support in

729
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 3: those shoes. They're a pair of running shoes, so don't

730
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 3: expect them to be a pair of hunting boots. But

731
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 3: even a pair of hunting boots, you don't want to

732
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: have weak ankles. So trail running in that consistency is

733
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 3: going to naturally strengthen your joints. It's going to strengthen

734
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 3: your ankles. Over time, you're going to get stronger. That's

735
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: why starting small is so important, because you want to

736
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 3: give yourself a base. You want to give yourself a foundation,

737
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: and you want to build on that. And a strength

738
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 3: regiment for a trail runner is really crucial along with

739
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 3: mobility because those those sort of ailments will manifest themselves.

740
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 3: My case in point is that trail run that I did,

741
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 3: that very first one that I ever signed up for.

742
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 3: I really couldn't walk after that, Like I was so

743
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: stoved up, and I learned about these things that we

744
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: have and our bodies called our it bands ilio tibial band. Yeah,

745
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: that runs like it's very very long. It runs from

746
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: like your back all the way down to your ankles

747
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 3: and I have excruciating pain after that, so it's it's

748
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 3: like too much, too fast. And then I learned all

749
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 3: about how important stretching was and how you can combat

750
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: these things by stretching. And then that strength portion is

751
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 3: your durability. So your muscles, they're they're here to protect

752
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: your joints, and so if you have strong muscles, then

753
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 3: they are going to do their job in protecting your joints.

754
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 3: And that's really really valuable as a trail runner too.

755
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: So and it doesn't have to be a crazy you

756
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 3: don't have to buy a whole bunch of equipment all

757
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff to have a strength regiment. You know,

758
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 3: Lunges are awesome, Squat jumps are fantastic. Anybody can do core,

759
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 3: so we can do planks instead of set any time,

760
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 3: like we're just going back to high school days of

761
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 3: you know what we're doing. We're running and that's simple.

762
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: Those simple fundamentals really do work quite well. And if

763
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 3: you do have a backpack, putting weight on your back

764
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 3: is really beneficial as well. You're not going to want

765
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: to run a long distance with that weight in your pack,

766
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 3: certainly if you're starting out, but it does help condition

767
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 3: your body and get it ready for and adapt to

768
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 3: those trail conditions.

769
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you didn't do it yourself, so I'll do

770
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: it for you. I gotta plug what you guys have

771
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: got over at Mountain Tough, because you know, I was

772
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: able to use the I think it was the Mountain

773
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: Foundations course over the last couple of months leading into

774
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 2: this most recent race I just did.

775
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: And you know it's it was.

776
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not a guy that loves the gym.

777
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: I like being outside doing stuff, and so I've never

778
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: been a person that's like all about the machines and stuff.

779
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: So body weight has been usually the thing that I

780
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: found like fit me most and and your body Weight

781
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: Foundation's course has been really good.

782
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: Like I've enjoyed it.

783
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: I felt, you know, it helps out there, the mobility,

784
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: the core stuff. You know, I just did this. I

785
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: did a half marathon trail race last weekend and just

786
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: felt like a breeze, even compared to the last couple

787
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 2: I did in which I thought I trained a lot,

788
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 2: just a different level. And I don't know all the

789
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: things I can attribute that to, but I have to

790
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: believe that becoming more well rounded has helped with that

791
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 2: and and yeah, so so highly recommend that that's it.

792
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 3: It's super cool. It's and just that you notice that

793
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: there's a difference. And yes, it's more trail time. Ultimately

794
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 3: you're spending more time on the trail, so you're going

795
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 3: to feel better. But the strength component in how you recover,

796
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 3: that's really big for me. Like I know when as

797
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 3: I was running and my body was starting to break down,

798
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 3: because that does happen with runners. Now most coaches will

799
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 3: recommend a strength routine. They want they want their runners

800
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: to do some sort of strength, not just run all

801
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: the time. So that image that you have in your

802
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: mind of somebody that's rail thin and and really fast, like, yes,

803
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 3: those people are out there, but you're even seeing that

804
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: change too because because the strength programs that are out

805
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 3: there are getting better and better, and so for like

806
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 3: a body weight foundation program, it's really simple. It doesn't

807
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: require any gear. It's just different movements that you do

808
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 3: on a cadence and you've created that habit, so you

809
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 3: roll it into your train, you roll it into your running,

810
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: and then you walk away from that race going gosh,

811
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: I'm not so devastated. It was really fun. Bottom line,

812
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 3: it was really fun. And I'm going to look forward

813
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 3: to the next one, and I know that this is

814
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 3: gonna manifest itself in other areas positively for me. Yeah, man,

815
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 3: it is a.

816
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 2: It's, for lack of a better term, just a really

817
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: good feeling when you're out doing an event like that.

818
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: And like I said, I've never been.

819
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 3: An elite athlete.

820
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: I'm not an elite athlete, but I'm going by so

821
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: many people that seem like they're miserable and struggling, and

822
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: I'm just feeling great and just going along the whole thing.

823
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: I just kept thinking to myself, like, man, like this

824
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: is why you trained like this, feeling right here, Like

825
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 2: ninety five percent of everyone you're going by just seems

826
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: like they're in hell, and I am enjoying myself flying

827
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: up the hills like struggling. I'm just going at my easy,

828
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: good pace and kind of crushing it. And and I'm not,

829
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: like I'm not the guy that crushes sports usually, but

830
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: this like like I can now I can do that.

831
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: And that was like very encouraging to see, like you

832
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: put in the work, it pays.

833
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: Off, yeah, big time. And and yeah, that is that

834
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 3: is a testament to what you're doing. And how curious

835
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: you are about it as well. But I like the

836
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 3: big thing for you as you're going through this and

837
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 3: anyone else is like, these are enjoyable experiences that you

838
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: wouldn't do otherwise. They just happen to have the benefit

839
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 3: in the in the hunting realm too. So I always

840
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: have that in the back of my mind. It's like,

841
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 3: as I go into this, uh, yes, maybe I won't

842
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 3: have as much at a post tissue on my body

843
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: when I go into winter, so I'm gonna be a

844
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: little bit more cold. But but you could even do something.

845
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: You could do something for that. You could enjoy the

846
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 3: running seat and then be okay with consuming maybe some

847
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: of those fats and having a little bit of insulation.

848
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 3: One of my good running buddies always said that as

849
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: we're going into winter, he's like bears hibernate and we

850
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: are mammals, And he would just remind me of that,

851
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: because sometimes runners can get really obsessive about these crazy things,

852
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 3: and that's when it's too much. That's when it's taking

853
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 3: over your life and it's destructive. But by and large,

854
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: we're made to move and moving through the terrain, our

855
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 3: local topography, regardless of where you are. It's really cool.

856
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: Whenever I go to a city, I love to go

857
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 3: try to take a run and check out that city,

858
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: you know, early in the morning. Something that is I'm

859
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 3: way out of my element, right, Like I love running

860
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 3: on trails, but to go and see that wherever you

861
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 3: are its own sort of beautiful for sure. And I

862
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: just know the Midwest and the trails systems that are

863
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: out there. I met a long time ago. I met

864
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 3: some guys from They were outside d C in Virginia

865
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: and they were trail runners, and I've talked to them

866
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 3: enough that I was like, I have to go see

867
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 3: your guys' country. They're like, come and do a trail race.

868
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 3: And so I found one. You know, just look look

869
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 3: up online. There's trail races all over the place. And

870
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: I and I went and did one outside of d C.

871
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 3: And it ran across, you know, along the Potomac, and

872
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: there's all the history and everything there, and I just

873
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 3: I would never see this otherwise, and I would never

874
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 3: see this this quickly. Granted I'm not moving fast because

875
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 3: I'm not an elite athlete whatsoever. I just enjoy being

876
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 3: out there and you know, high fiving people, seeing seeing

877
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 3: the different culture that exists in the running community because

878
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 3: it's so positive, like it's it's you're inundated with positivity,

879
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 3: and there's few places in this world where you get

880
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 3: that much positivity that quickly. True.

881
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And you know it's funny we're bringing we're

882
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 2: talking races now, and races kind of for me began

883
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 2: as a thing to maintain my habit, like to maintain

884
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 2: the practice. So like I originally sign up for my

885
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: first race because you know, as I alluded at the beginning,

886
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: like I've been running off and on forever, but I

887
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: never stuck with it consistently. I'd always kind of fall

888
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: off in the fall, and then that we continue through

889
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 2: the winter, and then like spring would come around and

890
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: I pick it up a little bit, but then I

891
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 2: go on you know, vacation, and then it's just like that,

892
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: and I finally realized, like I need a stick, like

893
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: I need you know, the carrot and the stick method, right,

894
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: I need a stick like hanging over me in the

895
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: future that's going to be looming and if I don't run,

896
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: if I do not train, I'm going to have my

897
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: tail whooped by this race in six months or something.

898
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: So That's why I originally signed up for my first race,

899
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: was just to have that incentive, to have that thing

900
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: coming down the line that's going to keep me honest,

901
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: it's going to keep me going. And then I did it,

902
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, like it's slowly molded

903
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: into something that I'm not just doing because it's going

904
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: to force me to train, but now it's becoming something

905
00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: I'm actually enjoying. But there's a there's a lot of

906
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 2: people that I think are having that same discovery now,

907
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: Like this is a very unscientific method of analysis, but

908
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: of like all the things that I post about on

909
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: social media, my audience is like hunting and fishing and conservation,

910
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 2: Like that's the kind of stuff I usually write about

911
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: or post about. But when I throw on running stuff now,

912
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 2: I probably have more engagement in questions and interest about

913
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: running than I do about any of those things.

914
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: Like it blows up.

915
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of latent interest within the outdoor

916
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 2: community about getting into this stuff, and I'm seeing more

917
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: and more people signing up for trail runs, signing it

918
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: for ultra runs, marathons, half marathons, like lots and lots

919
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: of people I think are kind of discovering this now.

920
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: And I don't know what that's about exactly, but it

921
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: definitely seems like there is a growing movement of people

922
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: realizing like, man, this is a thing that's worth my time.

923
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 3: Are you are you seeing that?

924
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 2: Is that just my am I just noticing it because

925
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 2: I'm getting into it myself or is there that kind

926
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: of thing going on at a.

927
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 3: Large Definitely, No, we definitely notice it at Mountain Tough.

928
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 3: It's incredible when people do start creating a habit and changing,

929
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 3: you know, their fitness routine and getting into something. For us,

930
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 3: we really see a lot of them start Mountain Tough

931
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 3: and then naturally they get to a point where they're

932
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 3: they're like, I'm I want to sign up for a

933
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 3: trail race? Can you help? Can you help me with

934
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: the plan? And and we don't have any like running

935
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 3: specific plans, but we we do have great programs to

936
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 3: help with the strength piece. And then there's running incorporated

937
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 3: into them. And I tell everybody, I'm like, go sign

938
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 3: up for it. You can, you can absolutely do this,

939
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 3: So there's more interest there. It is a it is

940
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 3: a timing thing, you know, count hunting, and it's all

941
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 3: of its popularity and having that date or deadline out

942
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: there of hunting seasons coming whatever, whatever season you're looking

943
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 3: forward to, like it's all like you're always preparing for it,

944
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 3: and so us as individuals as hunters, I think that

945
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 3: putting something on the agenda and having something else to

946
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: look forward to and that that way, shape or form

947
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 3: and fitness is just ti tying into that now. So

948
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 3: that's I think a lot of it is You're right,

949
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 3: you need that carrot dangled in front of you. Hunting

950
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 3: season is always that, but it comes around once a year, right,

951
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 3: so it takes a long time to get to it.

952
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 3: So having another one of those milestones is really valuable.

953
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 3: And I think the accessibility, like regardless of where you are,

954
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 3: there's races going on, there's local races, and so it's

955
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 3: not the yeah, the running is going to beat you

956
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 3: up and ruin your joints and all that is like

957
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 3: there's data out there to prove otherwise for sure. And

958
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 3: the longevity piece I think plays into us as hunters

959
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 3: when we look at conservation and what we're doing. I

960
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: just always go back to want to be able to

961
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 3: do this for as long as possible. I want to

962
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 3: be able to enjoy this with my family and my friends,

963
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 3: and I want to be able to set this say

964
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 3: it's the public lands and the opportunity that we have

965
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 3: out there. I'm like, let's just do this for a

966
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 3: longer period of time. So running in cardiovascular health hopefully

967
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 3: like things happen. Certainly I could keel over tomorrow from

968
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 3: a heart attack, but I'm going to do my part

969
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 3: not too so that I can continue to do what

970
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 3: I love for as long as possible. And I don't

971
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 3: care to live forever, but I just I always admire

972
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 3: those individuals that are older and that are still really

973
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 3: really active, and oftentimes they tend to be those ones.

974
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: I met a guy at a tactical officers deal that

975
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 3: I was at here a couple of days ago up

976
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 3: in Helena, and his name was Ron and he was

977
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 3: seventy two and he worked on Fort Harrison and he was, yeah,

978
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 3: just a really one of those cool guys. It's his

979
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 3: retirement gig and whatnot. And he's like, oh, yeah, I

980
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 3: don't I don't need a fitness app. I was like, yeah,

981
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 3: doesn't look like doesn't look like you do, and he's like, no,

982
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 3: I walk. I walk every day. I'm like, really, how

983
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 3: much do you walk every day? He's like six to

984
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 3: ten miles every day. I just I went, holy smokes man,

985
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 3: that's the stuff I geek out on because those type

986
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 3: of individuals. And then he proceeded to show me. He

987
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I track it all and I do

988
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 3: do all these things, and I'm like, that's so cool.

989
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: So in my heart I like that. I know that

990
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 3: there's a Midwest guy out there. It's like a traditional

991
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 3: bowhunter that's running these races that nobody knows about, and

992
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's the guy that I want to meet.

993
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 3: I want to I want to meet. I want to

994
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 3: hear stories from that individual because I know that they're

995
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 3: out there and they're out out West and they're in

996
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 3: our trail running community and stuff too. So there there

997
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 3: are those individuals. But when it comes to whitetail hunting,

998
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 3: I was like, I know it'd be cool, it'd be

999
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 3: cool interview for me to do. I was like, I

1000
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 3: want to find that. So maybe there's somebody out there.

1001
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 3: Your listeners will definitely know somebody that's out there that's

1002
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 3: doing doing trail races and is hunting well into their

1003
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 3: seventies and eighties I'm sure that there are.

1004
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's it was so funny, Like even at

1005
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 2: that race I was at last weekend, I had four

1006
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 2: or five different people come up to me that that

1007
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: recognized me from my work, like just in like a

1008
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 2: very short little window when I got to the finish line.

1009
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: So like that is like a very small sample size

1010
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: of telling you how many of our kind of people

1011
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 2: are doing this stuff already.

1012
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 3: To have that many folks is telling So it's so cool.

1013
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 3: So so on this.

1014
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: Race thing, you know, I have loved it. I'm getting

1015
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 2: more and more into it as we talked about. One

1016
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: of the things I've thought about is like what's the

1017
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: progression of distance? Like I'm the type who when I

1018
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 2: get into something, I go hard and I go deep.

1019
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 2: And I've already been reading and thinking about like one

1020
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 2: hundred mile races and that kind of crazy stuff. Yeah,

1021
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 2: but what's like, what is like a safe or responsible

1022
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: or smart progression of distance. So I've done half marathon

1023
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 2: so far, I've signed up for a thirty I'm doing

1024
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,479
Speaker 2: a thirty k this summer. But then I'm thinking, okay,

1025
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: so I did a thirty k like serious trail run

1026
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: this summer. The way these races are broken. It's not

1027
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 2: like you can do a thirty k and then you

1028
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: can do a thirty four K and then you can

1029
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 2: do a.

1030
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 3: Thirty eight k.

1031
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 2: It's like thirty K or fifty K or do you

1032
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 2: want to go fifty miles or one hundred miles? There's

1033
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 2: the big jumps. So how like what should I be

1034
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: thinking on that?

1035
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 4: Like?

1036
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: Could I do a fifty k next year? Is that insane?

1037
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: Should I do thirty k's for a couple of years?

1038
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: Should I go from a thirty to a full marathon?

1039
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 3: Like? How do you think about that kind of thing?

1040
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 3: We trail run? Is it? It's its own unique beast

1041
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 3: And like a marathon, a marathon is its own beast too,

1042
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 3: because you're running all out that fast or ting to

1043
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 3: run that fast on pavement for twenty six miles, right,

1044
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 3: So it's its own form of difficult trail races and

1045
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 3: the distance. This is one of those things for me,

1046
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 3: and I'll speak from my experience. And then two like,

1047
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 3: my experience is based on my community and people that

1048
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 3: are around me, and I asked them these questions. I

1049
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 3: have asked them these questions for forever. So when it

1050
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 3: comes to a thirty k. Typically you're going to run

1051
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 3: a thirty k a little bit faster, like you're gonna

1052
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 3: push yourself in a thirty k because subconsciously you know

1053
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 3: that it's not that far. So if you can come

1054
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 3: to terms of running a thirty k, then naturally you're

1055
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 3: starting to look at other races out there, and you can.

1056
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: It's not crazy to want to run a fifty k

1057
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 3: because that's the next one, and you're right like, that's

1058
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 3: like the next offering that's out there. A fifty k.

1059
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 3: You're not going to run all out as fast as

1060
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 3: you run in a thirty k. You're going to pace

1061
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 3: yourself like that's the beauty of training. And that's where

1062
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 3: I'll go back to, like right away pitching this to

1063
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 3: some guys that are drinking beers and having burgers in

1064
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 3: the bar. It's like, you have that mental fortitude, I know,

1065
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 3: because you're a hunter, Like I know you have it,

1066
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 3: and if you want to, you could go do a

1067
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 3: fifty k guaranteed. And a fifty k is a fun

1068
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 3: distance because it is a little bit further and you

1069
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 3: get a little bit more time to experience everything out there.

1070
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 3: Your body will go through a few other things that

1071
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 3: you wouldn't go through in a thirty k because now

1072
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 3: we're talking calories, we're talking the nutrition that you need,

1073
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 3: the more of the hydration, so you can't wing it

1074
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 3: necessarily in a fifty k. From there, then we go

1075
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 3: up to a fifty miler, which is a little different

1076
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 3: training style, and then you'll see a hundred ks. So

1077
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 3: the hundred k distance is really fun because your average

1078
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 3: pace is about the time you're going to finish in

1079
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 3: because it's essentially sixty miles, so it's it's this funny

1080
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 3: race that you just keep an eye on your average

1081
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 3: pace and that's how long it's going to take you

1082
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 3: to finish, which is incredibly eye opening as a hunter

1083
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 3: of how much time it takes to get from one

1084
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 3: point A to point B while you're so locking. Can

1085
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 3: you explain that?

1086
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: So you're saying that if your average pace is like

1087
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: twenty minutes a mile, you're going to finish in twenty hours?

1088
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 3: Is that right? Twenty hours? Yeah? Essentially, I'm like the

1089
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: hundred k for me was I was just like, I

1090
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 3: can't believe this. And then the further you get in

1091
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 3: the race, the slower you're going, and the like the

1092
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 3: sooner you want to finish, but it just doesn't happen

1093
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 3: because your average is your average. The math doesn't lie

1094
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 3: when it comes down to it. And then you go

1095
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 3: up from there and there's crazy people are going so

1096
00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 3: many crazy distances. But we can and and if you're

1097
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 3: inclined to do it, you you should, you should experience it.

1098
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 3: I will put that with the caveat don't let it

1099
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 3: take over your life. Don't let it, you know, like

1100
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 3: take away so much from your time with your family

1101
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff, because that's not worth it.

1102
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 3: But if you do want, if you do want to

1103
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 3: go for it, I was like, we are totally capable.

1104
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 3: I The crazy thing for me as a as a

1105
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 3: Western hunter is when I realize that it alk needs

1106
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 3: to lay down in rifle season and al needs to

1107
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,919
Speaker 3: lay down and recover. Should you bump one, you can

1108
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 3: just walk and you'll catch up to them. Like it's

1109
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 3: it'll take you a little while, and it's gonna be

1110
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 3: through some steep, nasty terrain, but you will catch up

1111
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 3: to them because they have to recover. In us, as humans,

1112
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 3: we don't we are able to continue walking and walking

1113
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 3: and recovering while we're doing that. So we don't have

1114
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 3: to like sit down and rest necessarily. Now for cardio

1115
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 3: vascular health, isn't that great, We do have to sit

1116
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 3: down and rest, But us as a as a hunter,

1117
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 3: I was like, that's an eye opening thing. White tails

1118
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 3: are totally different. I'm not saying you're gonna walk down

1119
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 3: a white tail because you do not want to do that.

1120
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 3: They'll be they'll be gone, they're they're you know, that's

1121
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 3: the beauty of white tail hunting. But just knowing that

1122
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 3: even on that topic, you can blood trail one for

1123
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 3: as long as you need to blood trail at four yeah,

1124
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm not giving up.

1125
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 2: So and actually, you know there are guys out specifically

1126
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: the Northeast. They'll track them in the snow, they'll walk

1127
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 2: them down in the snow out there. So it is

1128
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 2: a thing in certain regions. Yes, so yes, this would

1129
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 2: be very good for that.

1130
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 3: And they drag them out too. Yeah, that's like the tradition,

1131
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 3: drag them out. Yeah, it's a heck of an endeavor.

1132
01:00:48,240 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

1133
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 2: So, so you mentioned something that has been one of

1134
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 2: my struggles, which was, you know, time away from family, right,

1135
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 2: Like I've I've I'm already gone a lot for work,

1136
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 2: and I'm unique compared to some people and that, like

1137
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: I travel a lot for work, but I'm already going

1138
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: to be gone, you know, six seven, eight weeks a

1139
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 2: year traveling for work, and then you know, just daily

1140
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 2: work seems to take a lot. And then I've got

1141
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 2: other hobbies too, Like I'm really into fishing and I've

1142
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 2: got all that kind of stuff. So I've always felt

1143
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 2: like I felt bad adding another time suck into the world.

1144
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 2: And so when I was training for like doing these

1145
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: first races, I was doing it early in the morning

1146
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 2: and still would feel like, you know, on the weekends,

1147
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: I got to do like a you know, two hours

1148
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 2: or so away to do a run, and that was

1149
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 2: sucking into a Saturday or Sunday morning with a family.

1150
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 2: And when I was thinking about jumping from half marathon

1151
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 2: to marathon, one of the first things I thought about

1152
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 2: was like, gosh, how much more training time will that be?

1153
01:01:59,160 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 3: Do I need to be you know?

1154
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 2: Does that mean every Sunday I'm gone five hours or

1155
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 2: something or four hours? Do I really want to do

1156
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 2: that and be gone longer? What kind of advice do

1157
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 2: you have for someone who's in a similar situation in

1158
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 2: which they want to do something longer. They want to

1159
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 2: do a marathon or thirty k or fifty k or

1160
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 2: one hunter miler or whatever the thing is, but they're

1161
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 2: trying to figure out, like, how do I balance this

1162
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 2: with family and other obligations. Do I need to run

1163
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 2: for four hours every single day? Or is it not

1164
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 2: that much.

1165
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 3: I'll speak from my experience here as well, because as

1166
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 3: I really fell in love with running and then went

1167
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 3: over the top on signing up for all the races

1168
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 3: I had just started off on my wife, we had

1169
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 3: our first kid, and there was a period of time

1170
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 3: in there which was awesome. Once he was sleeping through

1171
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 3: the night and I could go and run and it

1172
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 3: was just my time, Like I got I got out,

1173
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 3: I did that, I was able to come back, and

1174
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,919
Speaker 3: then we had a second and then I was quite

1175
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 3: obsessive about the time on my feet. But it was

1176
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 3: really really cute. I'd just get up earlier and i'd

1177
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 3: get back home on say a Saturday morning, they'd be

1178
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 3: waking up, make pancakes, do all that stuff, and they'd say,

1179
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 3: you know, dad, daddy, how was your run? And I

1180
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 3: just love that because I know that that's making an

1181
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 3: impact on them and they're seeing that. Now I wasn't

1182
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 3: gone all day long, but I was making it back

1183
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 3: in time, and that's a period of time for my

1184
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 3: life that I was like, it was really evident to

1185
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 3: me that I was making a memory for them that

1186
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 3: was impactful and it was active, it was fitness focused.

1187
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 3: But they would ask me about how my run was,

1188
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 3: and then they would go to these races and my

1189
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 3: wife would be at the finish line with the boys

1190
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,919
Speaker 3: and they just get to cheer me on and next

1191
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 3: thing you know, they'd come up the trail and they'd

1192
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 3: run to the finish line with me. And those sort

1193
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 3: of memories are are so impactful for both of my boys,

1194
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 3: me and my wife as well of just setting that

1195
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 3: example of you can go and do these hard things

1196
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 3: I did them. I was the example. I'm at this

1197
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 3: point in life where I'm older and I'm finding that

1198
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 3: I love this. So you're you're just along for the ride.

1199
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 3: But they just would geek out on it and it

1200
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 3: would just you know, for me as a dad, that's

1201
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 3: the most special thing. And what a carrot in front

1202
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 3: of you When your kids are there and they're watching you,

1203
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 3: you know they're they're seeing all of that. So that

1204
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 3: comes back to now that my kids are runners or anything,

1205
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 3: but they don't like mine. Like even at eleven K

1206
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 3: with my older boy when he was nine, he was like,

1207
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 3: I kind of want to do that, and I was like,

1208
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 3: let's sign up and do it. Like we got a

1209
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 3: little hydration pack and all that. So setting that example

1210
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 3: is the one piece. But yes, then when you train

1211
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 3: further distances, you're gonna want naturally spend more time on

1212
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 3: your feet. And for me, that's where I supplemented in

1213
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 3: more of a strength program and less time on my

1214
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,479
Speaker 3: feet because I was seeing it where it was such

1215
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 3: draw when you train for one hundred miler you do

1216
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 3: have to run quite a bit. But where I saw

1217
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 3: my balance come into play was adding more of the

1218
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 3: strength then, so I'm getting that durability. I'm building some

1219
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 3: muscle to protect everything. And yeah, time on my feet

1220
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 3: might not make me the faster runner out there, but

1221
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 3: I'm dying sure, very very durable, and I can make

1222
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 3: it that distance. And so those are the sort of

1223
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 3: things where I just rolled in more of a strength routine.

1224
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 3: It doesn't take a whole bunch, It doesn't take a

1225
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 3: whole bunch of gym equipment, you know, kettlebell, dumbbell, cooler

1226
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 3: to step up on, and you can add in that

1227
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 3: one hour, say even forty minute training block of strength

1228
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 3: that will pay dividends when you run. And so for me,

1229
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 3: with a busy life and all of that, that's where

1230
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 3: I was like, I just started blending the strength. And

1231
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 3: it was really cool too because Dustin who he started

1232
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 3: Mountain Tough, he was a big time runner, and we

1233
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 3: saw it correlate to hunting. Actually, we saw where the

1234
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 3: strength supplement helped. It helped in hunting. He did primarily,

1235
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 3: but then I started seeing that, you know the benefit

1236
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 3: of that when I stepped into the Elk woods, because

1237
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 3: I was more equipped to put a pack on and

1238
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 3: carry it. And that was a byproduct of running and

1239
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 3: not spending as much time out there and spending more

1240
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 3: time at home. So little bit more strength and a

1241
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 3: little bit less time. And then anytime you're traveling that

1242
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 3: sort of stuff, just embrace it and go for a run,

1243
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 3: go see the sites, go hit a trail. That's an

1244
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 3: awesome thing to get to do. And you're on the

1245
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 3: road anyway.

1246
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, better sitting in a hotel room.

1247
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely, even a Hotel Gym was like, yeah, go outside.

1248
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 2: Now, what about training for elevation? You know, I mean

1249
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 2: that in my case, like my next race at thirty

1250
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 2: k we're talking about that's like fifty seven hundred feet

1251
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 2: of elevation gain or something like that. I mean, that's

1252
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 2: gonna be It sounds like a beast to me at least.

1253
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 2: And we're going basically going to the top of the

1254
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 2: t Town range and then back down. But I live

1255
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 2: in Michigan and there's not a whole lot of hills

1256
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 2: here comparable to them. So what are some of things

1257
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 2: folks could do to train for elevation, whether it be

1258
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 2: a trail race that they signed up for they're going

1259
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 2: to travel across the country to go do, or you know,

1260
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 2: training for an outcome they've got coming up and they

1261
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 2: want to run and they want to do some stuff

1262
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 2: that's going to help them prepare for that too.

1263
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 3: Yep, this will this will go back to the amount

1264
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 3: of oxygen that your muscles can can take in. So

1265
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 3: your muscles, that's your VO two max and the volume

1266
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 3: of oxygen that you are able to get to your

1267
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 3: lungs ultimately, and the better that you can and equip

1268
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 3: yourself to have a high VO two max, the better

1269
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 3: you're going to do at elevation. And that goes back

1270
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 3: to the conversational pace running. That low and slow style

1271
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 3: of running is really a big benefit when it comes

1272
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 3: to helping increase your VO two max. And there's other

1273
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 3: things that you can do in the running space to

1274
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 3: there's studies out there too of certain distances like track

1275
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 3: work and that sort of thing that will help increase

1276
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 3: your VO two max. But when it comes to a

1277
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 3: mountain trail race with a whole bunch of vert that

1278
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 3: vertical climb and descent that you're going to go through,

1279
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 3: the benefit to you of having really strong quads, glutes, hamstrings,

1280
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 3: core is that's unparalleled, so your ability to tax your quads.

1281
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 3: But you can tax your quads like right now, if

1282
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 3: you were to do ten lunge jumps, one each side,

1283
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 3: your quads will be on fire doing ten lunch jumps.

1284
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 3: And even for me, I was like, and I live

1285
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 3: out here and I can go up a steep trail whenever,

1286
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 3: but but your quads take a beating, especially on the descent.

1287
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 3: So having strong legs all around, and I will say

1288
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 3: quad dominant because that's the downhill that's your deceleration, and

1289
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 3: but you don't want to forget your glutes and your

1290
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 3: hamstrings as well, and that's where that strength element comes

1291
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 3: into place. So you know, box step ups, that sort

1292
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 3: of stuff, lunge jumps, air squats. We do a bunch

1293
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 3: of wall sits in a lot of our programs too,

1294
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 3: and so like, well, I burned your quads, but you

1295
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 3: sustain that. And so those are the sort of things

1296
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 3: that you can take in to then that trail race

1297
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 3: and say, hey, yes, my legs are gonna hurt, but

1298
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 3: at least I've done this work ahead of time, so

1299
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 3: I've prepped them. I've kind of been experiencing that painful

1300
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 3: quad burn, glute burn, all of that stuff ahead of time,

1301
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 3: so that when I'm in the race, I'm taking in

1302
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 3: more of the scenery and the race itself, as opposed

1303
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 3: to say, and I'm devastated right now. Yeah. Yeah.

1304
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:12,759
Speaker 2: My three days a week, my four year old doesn't

1305
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 2: have preschool in the morning, so he's just with me.

1306
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 2: Uh and so a couple of different times I've been

1307
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 2: home with him in the morning and I'm gonna do

1308
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 2: my Foundation's strength workout and I have to do those

1309
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 2: damn wall sits, and I'll be in the living room

1310
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 2: back against the wall and I'm like ah, and I'm

1311
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 2: like kind of cussing silently inside my head.

1312
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 3: Walk it was like, what's the matter?

1313
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 4: Dad?

1314
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 3: Why are you so mad? Right now?

1315
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 2: I'm making faces?

1316
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 3: Amazing you tried doing this, Colt. You'll see he's gonna

1317
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 3: come and stand on your quads the next right, Yeah,

1318
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 3: how's this dead?

1319
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 2: It's funny though. You talked about how the kids see

1320
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 2: you and kind of want to do it too. So

1321
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 2: they've you know, they've seen me that come to my

1322
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 2: races and stuff like that, and they've been like interest in,

1323
01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:59,679
Speaker 2: they cheer me on and all that kind of stuff.

1324
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 2: And I found some little film on YouTube about someone

1325
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 2: doing a hundred mile race and they washed it. And

1326
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 2: now whenever they see me put on my shoes, they're.

1327
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 3: Like, can we go on a hundred mile race too?

1328
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 2: They think I'm going off for a one hundred mile

1329
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 2: race every time I go out running, and so sometimes

1330
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 2: they want to go and do one hundred mile race.

1331
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 2: And so what they do is they put on my

1332
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 2: watch and they put on their like hiking shoes or

1333
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 2: basketball shoes, and they'll run laps around our living room

1334
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 2: and every lap they'll say, Daddy, look at the look

1335
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 2: at the watch. Have I got one hundred miles yet?

1336
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 2: How far have I gone?

1337
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 3: And so far?

1338
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 2: My six year old did two miles and laps around

1339
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 2: the living room once, so he just kept going and

1340
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 2: going and going.

1341
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 3: So it was pretty funny. That's amazing, Like just to

1342
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 3: see your kids gravitate towards something like that because of

1343
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 3: what you modeled. It's amazing. But that's a job well

1344
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 3: done and so cool that they laugh about one hundred

1345
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 3: mile because they have no contact, no idea, but in

1346
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 3: their mind, I'm like, it's a big deal. They're crush

1347
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 3: from there. So cool.

1348
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 2: So you talked about training specifically for like some of

1349
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 2: those things like coming down off the hill. You know,

1350
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 2: the descent is going to be really impacting your quads

1351
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 2: and stuff. What about like actual I don't know if

1352
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 2: techniques the right word, but like when I'm when I'm

1353
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 2: running this first really big mountain run this coming year

1354
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 2: this summer, you know, walking all the hills, what degree hill?

1355
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 2: Should I walk? When should I run? When should I walk?

1356
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,600
Speaker 2: Should I I mean as far as like tactics on

1357
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 2: the trail, I've read stuff about like when you're descending.

1358
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 2: There's some people that just seem to do big strides

1359
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 2: and just like fly down the hill, and there's other

1360
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,719
Speaker 2: people do like short fast steps running down the hill.

1361
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,480
Speaker 3: Do you have any thoughts on like actual.

1362
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 2: Technique or or approach to actually being there on the

1363
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 2: trail and running in a way that's going to be effective.

1364
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 3: There's there's a few things when it comes to to

1365
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 3: mountain running and that you're you're coming out in middle More,

1366
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 3: you have rocky, rooty trails. Oftentimes it's fast footwork that's

1367
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 3: gonna be the benefit that you you come to that

1368
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 3: race with because you have those technical trails, maybe they're muddy.

1369
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 3: That sort of technical piece is really important. So that's

1370
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 3: the that's your ankles, that's your knees, your calves as well.

1371
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 3: So when it comes to technique, it's just your running form.

1372
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 3: I'm like, you're you're gonna have running form on a

1373
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 3: flat road, but then you're gonna be it's gonna all

1374
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 3: break down and you're gonna be hiking. Honestly, there are

1375
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 3: people out there I'll throw I'll throw Chester Floyd out

1376
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 3: there because you know Chester, yeah, and he he's an

1377
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 3: absolute phenom when it comes to running really like he

1378
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 3: he there's a few people out here that I know

1379
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 3: can run up these really steep faces. Chester is one

1380
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 3: of those individuals. He can like literally run, but it's

1381
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 3: the same speed at which maybe a little faster than me,

1382
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 3: but same speed at which a lot of people are hiking.

1383
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 3: So you have a longer stride, you can lean into

1384
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 3: that stride and you can hike because each step you're

1385
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 3: going to be going a lot further than if you

1386
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 3: were to pitter patter and run along. But Chester is

1387
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 3: one of those individuals. He could pitter patter and just

1388
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 3: run all the way to the top of things, and

1389
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,679
Speaker 3: then he can just descend. But he has a shorter

1390
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 3: stride as well. Also he's an incredible athlete too, So

1391
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 3: I've never seen somebody climb and descend, especially descend as

1392
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 3: fast as he does. But for you with a larger stride,

1393
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 3: just lean into that and do that hike. And you

1394
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 3: get that from hunting. A lot of people will use

1395
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 3: like running style trekking poles in those races, and that's

1396
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,879
Speaker 3: a great thing too, to keep your your body upright,

1397
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 3: so then you're opening up your lungs more and you

1398
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 3: can you can use those poles to kind of help

1399
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 3: fight the fatigue, and us as hunters, like we use

1400
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 3: them a lot. But in the trail running world they're

1401
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:09,799
Speaker 3: getting more and more popular. Sometimes some of those races

1402
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 3: don't allow them. If there's a whole bunch of people

1403
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 3: that they don't allow the poles. But you could look

1404
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,719
Speaker 3: into that and see if that's something. But like leaning

1405
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 3: into that and putting your hands on your quads when

1406
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 3: you're in that race and pushing off your quads just

1407
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 3: as like my arms are helping me a little bit,

1408
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 3: but your stride and that like it, your stride alone

1409
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 3: will be a big benefit to you in that race

1410
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:36,799
Speaker 3: when you go to the climbing portion that the descent,

1411
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 3: Like it's hard not to be on your heels when

1412
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 3: you descend, but oftentimes that's just the lack of quad

1413
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 3: strength as well. So you kind of want to I

1414
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 3: oftentimes think of it like skiing when you're going downhill.

1415
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,440
Speaker 3: Just have a little bit of flow when you're running downhill,

1416
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 3: enjoy it like there's cool little trails and rocks, and

1417
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 3: you know, try to look at your where your feet

1418
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 3: are going and have that fast footwork. You know you'll

1419
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 3: be fatigued all of that, but enjoy it and let

1420
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 3: your arms you know, float out on your side as

1421
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 3: as balance goes, because you'll probably take a stumble here

1422
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 3: and there and it's rocky and nasty. It's gonna be

1423
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 3: up high, so you're gonna want to You're gonna want

1424
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 3: to have good balance, and that kind of goes back

1425
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:23,679
Speaker 3: to them that strength portion as well. It's like, yeah,

1426
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:27,600
Speaker 3: you hear everything, everything's really stable, and that'll help you

1427
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 3: on the descent as well.

1428
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 2: It's funny when you talk about descent. I found myself

1429
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 2: when I'm going down Now, these aren't as big as

1430
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 2: hills as you guys have out there, but when I'm

1431
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 2: going down the bigger hills here as I've been training,

1432
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 2: I find myself thinking about those Hoka commercials like whether

1433
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 2: like fly Human Fly. So I'm like running down the

1434
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 2: hill and then my hems fly Human Fly, and it

1435
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 2: kind of like just enjoying it, just like kind of

1436
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 2: like like I'm riding a bike down a mountain kind

1437
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,600
Speaker 2: of and just like letting momentum while trying to you know,

1438
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 2: have good good form going down and not tripping on something,

1439
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 2: but the same time like kind of having fun with

1440
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 2: like that extra little something when you're going down.

1441
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting because I think of yeah, skiing or

1442
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 3: mountain biking and how flowy the trails are. And then

1443
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 3: when you have a really get a good pair of

1444
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 3: cushion shoes and enjoy that cushion like it's there. It's

1445
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 3: there for a reason, and if it lets you flow

1446
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 3: a little bit more and lets you cruise along. I

1447
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 3: think it's would be funny if you were to like

1448
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 3: watch a video of a bunch of people coming downhill

1449
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,639
Speaker 3: at a race, like we all think we're going really

1450
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 3: fast and we're out of control, but it's actually quite slow. Probably, right.

1451
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 2: Okay, So you think I could do a fifty k

1452
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 2: next year, Let's hypothetical, say if I could do a

1453
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 2: thirty k fifty five vert, there's a fifty k in

1454
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 2: the same area, that would be like a little over

1455
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 2: six vert or something, and then be fifty k.

1456
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1457
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 2: As far as training wise, bumping up from train for

1458
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 2: a thirty up to a fifty something like that, anything

1459
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 2: off the top of your head that you would change

1460
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 2: dramatically with that jump or is it kind of the

1461
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 2: same thing but.

1462
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 3: A little bit longer. Yeah, you won't have to you

1463
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 3: won't have to run as fast training for the fifty k,

1464
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 3: so you dial dial back the speed at what you're

1465
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 3: training just a little bit. You're gonna want you're going

1466
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 3: to be doing more vertical so you're gonna be climbing

1467
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 3: more and descending more. So that's where you're going to

1468
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 3: want to make sure and double down on the strength

1469
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 3: portion of that. And yes, it is it's a little

1470
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 3: bit more time on your feet, but it's not that

1471
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 3: much more time on your feet from a thirty to fifty.

1472
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 3: But in my experience, yeah, you're not running as fast

1473
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 3: in a fifty k. You got to pace it out

1474
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 3: so you can enjoy that as part of the training

1475
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 3: and do a lot of that Zone two which then

1476
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 3: will pay off should pay off in your hunts. That's

1477
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 3: where you'd probably notice it too.

1478
01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, So another piece of all this that I've started

1479
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 2: thinking about is once you start getting that distance or

1480
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 2: even further, And I think this this ties into folks

1481
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 2: who are gonna be doing big elk hunts or mountain

1482
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 2: hunts as well as like thinking about nutrition.

1483
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 3: How do you fuel yourself so.

1484
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 2: You can maintain your you know, pace or whatever is

1485
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 2: you're trying to do. For four or five, six, seven, eight,

1486
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 2: ten hours. Walk me through like what you're thinking about

1487
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,759
Speaker 2: when making decisions on how you're going to fuel yourself

1488
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 2: on a long run like this. There's a thousand different

1489
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 2: things out there, I've come to find out as I've

1490
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 2: been researching and trying things out myself. But what's what's

1491
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 2: the West and Paul approach to fuel during a long

1492
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 2: distance run?

1493
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 3: I love snacks in trail running, and races in particular,

1494
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 3: have so many snacks that's a carrot out in front

1495
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 3: of me that I'm like, oh my goodness, I'm looking

1496
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 3: forward to what snacks they have. But they'll set up

1497
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 3: all the tables at the aid stations and you have

1498
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 3: your pick of gummy bears and m and ms and

1499
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 3: potato chips and all this stuff. It's kind of junk food,

1500
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 3: honestly at a lot of trail races. But your body

1501
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 3: is when you're in a race, your body is using

1502
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 3: everything that you can throw at it because you're burning

1503
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 3: so many calories at such a fast rate. So you

1504
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 3: can snack on a lot of that stuff. However, the

1505
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 3: thing that you don't hear about a lot is the

1506
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,679
Speaker 3: stomach issues that you get when you throw a bunch

1507
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 3: of junk you down your throat in a race, and

1508
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 3: then stuff comes back to bite you. So the further

1509
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 3: the distance the race, the more you're going to experience that.

1510
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 3: So maybe not in a thirty k or shorter distance race,

1511
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 3: or you're going to experience the gia shoes, but you

1512
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 3: definitely will experience those should you do it incorrectly in

1513
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 3: a longer race. And nutrition, Like, it's more and more

1514
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 3: popular to kind of dive into nutrition us as hunters.

1515
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 3: We have wild game and so much of it, and

1516
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 3: we're on that path like, hey, we're harvesting this, we're

1517
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 3: putting good things in our body, and we're looking forward

1518
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 3: to having those meals in a race. You can always

1519
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 3: bring your own snacks, but you want a lot of carbohydrates.

1520
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 3: There's people to like in There's all kinds of diets

1521
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 3: out there. There's people that follow this, that and everything.

1522
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 3: And I've pretty much tried everything as well, because I've

1523
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 3: just I get curious and I'm like, huh, I'll see

1524
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 3: if that works and if that works. But a well

1525
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 3: rounded diet and day in and day out is so

1526
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 3: important because you're getting everything that you need. And in

1527
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 3: a race it's important to think of it as as

1528
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 3: the same, Like I want to be well rounded in

1529
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 3: what I'm doing, and so you bring your snacks along.

1530
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 3: You'll have a lot of carbohydrates, You'll have a lot

1531
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 3: of sugars, and then you're gonna want the proteins and

1532
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 3: fats as well, because you're proteins and fats those are

1533
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 3: your slow burn. Those are the ones that give you

1534
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 3: the law, like that endurance over the long run, that

1535
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 3: longevity during a race, Like your proteins and fats are

1536
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 3: really important. You can't just survive on carbs alone, and

1537
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 3: you can't survive on sugars alone. Sugars in particular are

1538
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 3: the ones that will blow your stomach up. So it's

1539
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 3: like a layering system of snacks when you're in a race,

1540
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 3: and you can start out with a good breakfast or

1541
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 3: a good dinner the night before. People carbload. I think

1542
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 3: that's just a common running thing, is like to carbload.

1543
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 3: But actually, if you haven't been consuming car carbs to

1544
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 3: that extent, it's not a good idea to carbload. Like

1545
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 3: if you've been running and you're watching your health and

1546
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 3: you're watching what you eat, you're probably not consuming that

1547
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 3: many carbs, so to carbload the night before is actually

1548
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 3: a bad idea. And well, one of my buddies, Nick,

1549
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 3: we have he had like spicy elk sausage and made

1550
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 3: pasta and and I was still like, we still tease

1551
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 3: him about that because I was like, there's no way

1552
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 3: I'm going to eat that the night before a race.

1553
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 3: He said, he suffered. But but if you think about it,

1554
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 3: with the blend of those, there's so many great resources

1555
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 3: out there now, or there's so many great nutrition supplements

1556
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 3: that sort of thing that you can get for running.

1557
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 3: In particular, I gravitate towards more of the natural ones

1558
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 3: with the fewest ingredients in them, and so they make

1559
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 3: awesome gels now they're called spring Energy. They're they're they're

1560
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 3: so good. I actually look forward to to consuming those

1561
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 3: and any of them them that I have left over,

1562
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 3: they go right in my hunting pack and I'll use

1563
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 3: them like they're actually that good. And so those are

1564
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 3: you know, like like rice is carbohydrate component, and then

1565
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 3: natural sugars from fruit and that sort of stuff. You

1566
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 3: can still have your your snacks. A long time ago,

1567
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 3: I ran a race and there's an older gentleman in

1568
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 3: front of me, and he didn't have like the pack

1569
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 3: and all the stuff that a lot of us racers had,

1570
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 3: and so I was naturally curious and I kind of

1571
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 3: caught up to him and and he had a little

1572
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 3: handheld water bottle and I was like, what do you

1573
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 3: do for nutrition? And he's like, well, I got like

1574
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 3: trail mix in my pocket, and I was like, do

1575
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 3: you think about trail mix? It is actually that blend.

1576
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 3: That's why trail mix exists because it's that blend. And

1577
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 3: so I'm like, I'll copy that. So I love trail

1578
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 3: mix like it's a it's a good go to. It

1579
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 3: has a blend, a little bit of everything. You got

1580
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 3: the protein from the nuts and stuff that's in there,

1581
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 3: and the fats from those, So those are the slow

1582
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 3: burn your body will tap into those. But the big

1583
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,959
Speaker 3: thing is that you just want to stay on a cadence.

1584
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 3: So oftentimes people will set a watch or set your

1585
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 3: phone to go every forty five minutes to an hour

1586
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 3: to remind yourself to eat and drink because you won't

1587
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 3: want to, Like, if you feel really good in a race,

1588
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 3: you're like, I'm not hungry, And the longer the race,

1589
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 3: the more you want to put that aside and say,

1590
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 3: I know you, my mind says that I'm not hungry

1591
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 3: right now, but actually I do need to fuel, and

1592
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 3: so making sure that you get that on a routine

1593
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 3: basis is what allows you to finish well in a

1594
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 3: lot of those races. I had one race a number

1595
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 3: of years ago where I was just like stumbling. I

1596
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 3: was just stumbling along my nutrition. I was dehydrated, and

1597
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:41,600
Speaker 3: they've been making bacon at this aid station, and I

1598
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 3: just remember having a couple slices of bacon and it

1599
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 3: took me about another yeah, about forty minutes or so,

1600
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,600
Speaker 3: and that stuff kicked in and I came back to

1601
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 3: life and I was like, that's the slow burn, you know,

1602
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 3: fat and protein that you get from bacon. And I

1603
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 3: just I was like, oh, I'm so glad I got that.

1604
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 3: And I came back to life and finished the race.

1605
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 3: And not because it was just bacon that maybe finished,

1606
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 3: but I felt that impact that it had on my

1607
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 3: body at that time.

1608
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 2: Well, I've done like so much reading now about you know,

1609
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,520
Speaker 2: all this kind of stuff, and there's so many examples

1610
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 2: and stories I've heard where people will have that kind

1611
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 2: of thing happened, where something they ate or drank at

1612
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 2: an aid station or something they remember they had in

1613
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 2: their pack. All of a sudden, it brings them back

1614
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 2: to life, like they're totally bonking, and then they had

1615
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 2: a second set of wheels. And yeah, sometimes at I

1616
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 2: sometimes would have thought that's like overblown, but it seems

1617
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:41,719
Speaker 2: like it's not. And speaking of Bacon, this last race,

1618
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 2: I told myself I had no time goal. It was like, hey,

1619
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 2: I just want to like this is my first like

1620
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 2: relatively hilly one like single track trial run race. It's

1621
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 2: like I just want to finish its training round. Let's

1622
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 2: just like do good, you know, natural pace, and just

1623
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:58,599
Speaker 2: stop at the ad station, see what's there.

1624
01:26:58,680 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 3: Have some fun with it.

1625
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 2: Because the last race I did, I was like trying

1626
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 2: to at a time goal, and so I was like

1627
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 2: I'm not stopping, I'm just burning right through. So this

1628
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 2: time around, I was gonna enjoy it a little bit.

1629
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 2: But as soon as I started going, and then as

1630
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 2: soon as I started like passing a lot of people,

1631
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:15,600
Speaker 2: I got to a point like a couple miles in

1632
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 2: where I was like, all of a sudden, I felt

1633
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 2: like very competitive. I was like I wonder if I

1634
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 2: could like maybe I'm better at this than I think,

1635
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 2: like I blew past all these people and all of

1636
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 2: a sudden was like I need to try to like

1637
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 2: I need to go for like I want to see

1638
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 2: where I can actually rank on this thing. And so

1639
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 2: I ended up not stopping at any aid stations because

1640
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 2: like my competitive juice has got it flowing and I

1641
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 2: actually wanted to, you know, to see what my time

1642
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 2: could be. I did not win the thing, nor beat

1643
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 2: nor win my category, but ye and a half felt

1644
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 2: like every time I've done a race, it's like a

1645
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 2: different like adrenaline burst, Like there's just something different that

1646
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 2: gets you to a different level, which is kind of fun.

1647
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 2: And I did finish top ten for my age bracket,

1648
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 2: which is fun. There you go, So that was something.

1649
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm telling myself for this next race that

1650
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to again not be like going crazy fast.

1651
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stop at the A stations and like enjoy

1652
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:13,839
Speaker 2: a cookie or something ridiculous. But we'll see what happens

1653
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 2: on the day of. I might end up getting crazy again.

1654
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 3: I like, those are the things that races do bring about,

1655
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:24,719
Speaker 3: and that competitive nature that's an amazing thing to tap

1656
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 3: into and to push yourself. It's we can push ourselves

1657
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 3: and push ourselves in other areas, but this is a race.

1658
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 3: It's one day and you know, like there's that little

1659
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 3: glimmer of hope and you're like, well why not, Yeah,

1660
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 3: why not just go for it. The further the distance

1661
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 3: the more the longer it takes to recover from pushing,

1662
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 3: because you'll end up hitting those walls or bonking or

1663
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 3: cramping up or like all that sort of stuff that

1664
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:58,600
Speaker 3: you experienced. But even that, gosh, you just you just

1665
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 3: walk right out of it. You'll walk You'll literally walk

1666
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,639
Speaker 3: right out of it. And it's amazing what the human

1667
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 3: body is capable of when it comes down to it,

1668
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 3: because we're like, we're made to survive and we're made

1669
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:12,639
Speaker 3: to be able to push when we need to push,

1670
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 3: which is which is a cool thing to get to

1671
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 3: tap into that we don't do that often. I was like,

1672
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:21,639
Speaker 3: sometimes we might say that in in a hunting scenario,

1673
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 3: yeah we pushed a little bit or we you know,

1674
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 3: but say back to whitetail hunting, you're not pushing. You're

1675
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 3: not pushing yourself to get to the stand necessarily. Uh certainly,

1676
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 3: certainly you're like I'm gonna get there at this time,

1677
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna crawl up in there, but but you

1678
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:39,680
Speaker 3: are going to push yourself to make that sit or

1679
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 3: you know, change the game plan when you need to,

1680
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 3: so you do tap into that same sort of mental side.

1681
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 3: Back to the hunting thing, I was like, we are

1682
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 3: we are certainly made to do this, and we are

1683
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 3: certainly made to move, and it's just it's just really

1684
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,600
Speaker 3: fun to happen in a race scenario.

1685
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's Uh, there's so many things that happen

1686
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:02,599
Speaker 2: in that scenario that help. Like in this last one,

1687
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 2: I found someone who was at my pace.

1688
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 3: But a little above it.

1689
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 2: And like when I got to the last quarter of

1690
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 2: the race, and I was just like behind him the

1691
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 2: whole way, but I could feel like him kind of

1692
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 2: pulling away a little bit, so I could tell he

1693
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 2: was a little bit faster than I was, and I

1694
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 2: decided I'm not gonna let him lose me. I'm gonna

1695
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 2: stay on his tail. And so like just having that

1696
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,720
Speaker 2: like someone to stick with that, he pulled me through

1697
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:28,440
Speaker 2: the last quarter ye faster than I would have otherwise,

1698
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:30,600
Speaker 2: and I just kind of said, like, hey, you're not

1699
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 2: losing this guy, And I kind of pressed that mental

1700
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 2: switch and I shifted gears and it was great. I'm

1701
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 2: glad I did it, But if I was just doing

1702
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 2: a training run, it'd be a lot harder to do

1703
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 2: that all on your own. Or the last one I

1704
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 2: did when I got to the last like two miles

1705
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 2: or whatever. Kind of a similar situation. There was a

1706
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 2: guy who I kind of latched onto, and same thing.

1707
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 2: I could tell it. Naturally he was faster than me.

1708
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 2: His natural pace was faster than I wanted to go.

1709
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 2: But I decide I'm going to beat this guy, so

1710
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 2: I it became a one.

1711
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 3: On one race.

1712
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 2: And he didn't know it, but I knew I was

1713
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 2: in a one on one race with him, and like

1714
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 2: that final, the final half mile or whatever, I had

1715
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:06,679
Speaker 2: to like put the burners on and ran as fast

1716
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 2: as I ran like all year, probably to beat that

1717
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 2: one guy.

1718
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,719
Speaker 3: But I did, and it felt really good. Cool.

1719
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 2: And those little things don't really matter in the grand

1720
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 2: scheme of things, but they make for like that additional something,

1721
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 2: that little extra challenge that pushes you a little further,

1722
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 2: takes you to a level maybe you didn't know you

1723
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 2: could get to.

1724
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 3: And all of that stuff.

1725
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 2: I actually think about this when I'm training and I'm

1726
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 2: going up a hard hill or I'm tired or whatever.

1727
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 2: I will think about November when it's two degrees out

1728
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 2: and freezing cold, and you've been in the tree stand

1729
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 2: for twelve hours and you're miserable and you're tired and

1730
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 2: you want to pull the plug. Are you going to

1731
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 2: pull the plug? Or are you going to push through this?

1732
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 2: Or when you're hunting elk and there's a bowl at

1733
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 2: the top of this mountain two twenty five hundred feet

1734
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 2: above you and you've got to bomb up that thing,

1735
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:57,759
Speaker 2: are you going to do it? Like in these moments

1736
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 2: when I'm tired, when i want to be done, That's

1737
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:02,680
Speaker 2: like the stuff that I play in my head to

1738
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 2: make sure that no, you're to push through it, and

1739
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 2: this is how you do it. And we're practicing for

1740
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 2: those moments, even though I might be running on a

1741
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:13,640
Speaker 2: flat piece of pavement, I'm training my brain to be

1742
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:14,880
Speaker 2: able to push through those walls.

1743
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 3: Right.

1744
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:17,600
Speaker 2: I think that's what a lot of this does for us.

1745
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 3: It's so spot on when it comes down to it,

1746
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 3: that's that mental fortitude piece and to tap into that,

1747
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 3: that's where the power comes, honestly, and we yes, we

1748
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 3: get a little glimmer of that and hunting season, and

1749
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 3: we know the areas that we could improve on. Certainly,

1750
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 3: I'm just going to speak for myself. I'm like, I

1751
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 3: know that I could push a little push, a little

1752
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 3: bit further, push a little bit harder. I know I

1753
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 3: could be patient when I need to be patient and

1754
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 3: not walk all day. But but yeah, back to the

1755
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:55,400
Speaker 3: whitetail hunter that's out there, I'm like, I know. I'm like,

1756
01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:57,759
Speaker 3: you got it. You got what it takes. It's between

1757
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 3: the ears and tap into it. Just maybe running is

1758
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 3: the way you tap into it. Maybe there's some other

1759
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 3: fitness regimen that you get into that helps you tap

1760
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:09,839
Speaker 3: into that, but it's a way that you can access

1761
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 3: that on a repeated basis. You can do it, and

1762
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 3: you can create that habit and you can tap into it.

1763
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 3: And it's so awesome to be able to switch over to, yeah,

1764
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 3: that difficult hunt, what you're looking forward to all of

1765
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 3: that and play all those scenarios in your mind, and

1766
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 3: then the race is over. You're like, check, I did that.

1767
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 3: I've got some confidence out of it. I've got some

1768
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 3: of these cool stories and I've tapped into this area

1769
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:37,600
Speaker 3: of my life that I wouldn't have otherwise, which is

1770
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:40,640
Speaker 3: which is a beautiful thing. Yeah, yeah, so true.

1771
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 2: All right, I've taken a lot of your time this afternoon,

1772
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 2: it's Friday. I've probably got good things to get off

1773
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 2: to do, so I don't want to I don't want

1774
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 2: to use up too much of.

1775
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 3: This precious resource of ours. But is there.

1776
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:57,559
Speaker 2: Any final thing that we haven't talked about yet or

1777
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 2: something that you know, just let's let's selfishly keep me

1778
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 2: in mind. And let's say that next year I want

1779
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:05,760
Speaker 2: to do that fifty k or a fifty mile or something.

1780
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take another big jump next year. Yeah, what's

1781
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 2: one more thing I should be keeping in mind over

1782
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 2: this next twelve months as I do my first big

1783
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 2: mountain run and then start training for the next bigger thing.

1784
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:21,720
Speaker 2: Any other advice, any other category of thing we haven't

1785
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 2: talked about yet that that I need to be thinking about.

1786
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 2: Is kind of as a sendoff parting.

1787
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:31,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna encourage you to go for it.

1788
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 3: It's like if people say send it, go for it.

1789
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:41,559
Speaker 3: Because and it's funny, I wasn't a runner, right, I've

1790
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 3: had asthma all did all that stuff and I've still like,

1791
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 3: I really love to run. Do I do it all

1792
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:51,560
Speaker 3: the time? No, I have. I have had periods of

1793
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 3: time where I'm super obsessive about it and I you know,

1794
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 3: it kind of can take over certainly, But those are

1795
01:34:57,479 --> 01:35:01,080
Speaker 3: those are good times in life to have had. But

1796
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 3: it is something that is so powerful and it manifests

1797
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 3: itself in other ways in life. But oftentimes when people

1798
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:11,639
Speaker 3: you've you've probably heard it already, Oh you did that race.

1799
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 3: I could never do that. Yeah, well, They'll say, oh

1800
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 3: I can't, I couldn't run that far, And in my

1801
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 3: heart of hearts, I'm like, yeah, you can. Anybody can

1802
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:24,080
Speaker 3: do it, honestly, Like you might have some sort of

1803
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 3: ailments that you should not run, and you know those,

1804
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 3: but there is you are already pushing yourself if you're

1805
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 3: overcoming those sort of ailments anyway. But but for a

1806
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 3: lot of people, it is a it's an awesome simple

1807
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 3: way to go and just tap into that that mental side,

1808
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 3: that mental fortitude, the mental toughness that you do have

1809
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,680
Speaker 3: because we have it in common because we're hunters and

1810
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 3: we're competitive all of that with ourselves, and that's an

1811
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 3: amazing thing. So I'd just encourage you to go for it.

1812
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, sign sign up for it, sign up for

1813
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 3: the fifty k. Heck, like put on miler out there

1814
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:04,160
Speaker 3: on the docket and work towards it. I've been putting

1815
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 3: in for four years to this hunter miler and I

1816
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 3: haven't gotten in every year, and it's always a kind

1817
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:11,639
Speaker 3: of a relief when I don't get in, and next

1818
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 3: year I'll get in, and I'm like, I'll look forward

1819
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 3: to that. It is. It's a good caret to have

1820
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 3: out there. And if you want to do a hundred miler,

1821
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:22,639
Speaker 3: I'll I'll come pace you. Just pick it and I'll

1822
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 3: meet you. So I hope you're not saying that flippantly,

1823
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:29,719
Speaker 3: because I might. I might buy it. Do I offer

1824
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:33,559
Speaker 3: that that is my offer stands I will. I was like,

1825
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,320
Speaker 3: I love. I love to see people tap into that.

1826
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:39,720
Speaker 3: And that's one of the things that I've learned to

1827
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 3: love about the trail running community and these races that

1828
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 3: are out there. Yeah, they're they're kind of silly in

1829
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 3: the big scheme of things, yes, it and but for us,

1830
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 3: as humans were made to move, were made to travel

1831
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 3: and go, go and do it, like, because you'll learn

1832
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 3: a whole bunch about yourself and you'll be a better

1833
01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:00,840
Speaker 3: hunter because of it. I guarantee you'll be a better

1834
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,800
Speaker 3: hunter because of it. But more so than being a

1835
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:07,639
Speaker 3: better hunter, it's like, hey, just like tap into these

1836
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:10,160
Speaker 3: things and then handle the rest of the stuff that

1837
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:14,680
Speaker 3: life throws at you with grace and patience and all

1838
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 3: that and running just kind of teaches you that. It

1839
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 3: just breaks you down.

1840
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like a tremendous training tool for so

1841
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:22,640
Speaker 2: much of what life throws at you.

1842
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, big time, big time. Have you done the rut? Yeah?

1843
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 3: I have I tattoo. I have a rut tattoo on

1844
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 3: my arm. Yeah. They give that at the finish line, right, Yeah,

1845
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 3: I'm a rut I'm a rut fan certainly. But they

1846
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 3: they moved it last year, they moved it a little

1847
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 3: bit far further into archery season, and I'm I was like,

1848
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:53,600
Speaker 3: I can't, I can't go. I really want to go

1849
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 3: and hunt. It's always the opening weekend, or it had

1850
01:37:56,600 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 3: typically always been the opening weekend, but it's it's spectacle.

1851
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:03,680
Speaker 3: It's one of the coolest events that I've ever experienced,

1852
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:07,559
Speaker 3: events in all categories that I've ever experienced. A It's

1853
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 3: just a it's a unique culture. They started off with

1854
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 3: a bugle, so that gives me goosebumps when I think

1855
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 3: about the bugle that kicks it off, and it's just

1856
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:19,400
Speaker 3: they've they've nailed it. And I asked Mike Wolf, Oh,

1857
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:21,640
Speaker 3: I don't know when he did the sign ups in

1858
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 3: January they do like the locals only sign up night,

1859
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 3: and like, did you ever envision it getting this big?

1860
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 3: And he's like, no, no, never never thought it would. Actually,

1861
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 3: it was just the local kind of a local race.

1862
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 3: That's the way it started out. And they drew a

1863
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:41,679
Speaker 3: bunch of big names. But gosh, if you I'd encourage

1864
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:44,400
Speaker 3: anybody to sign up for that. It's it is one

1865
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:46,639
Speaker 3: of the coolest races that's out there. It's different. It's

1866
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 3: not a hometown race. It's but but it's but it's

1867
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 3: big and there's just a positive energy that's there that's unmatched,

1868
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 3: and you get to just see the coolest country. There's

1869
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:01,160
Speaker 3: alcohol over that. That's ski Hill. There's alcohol over it.

1870
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:04,040
Speaker 3: You won't see them because everyone's running through, but there's

1871
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:06,240
Speaker 3: there's alcohol over it. So it's pretty awesome.

1872
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 2: Well, I've heard that is technically more of like a

1873
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 2: like I think they call it a sky run, Is

1874
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 2: that right? Yeah, just like that style, like ridge line,

1875
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 2: like really really up there, crazy route. It seems like

1876
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:21,599
Speaker 2: it's it's very it's very rugged.

1877
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 3: The the scree and everything that you experienced in that

1878
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 3: race is everything that you would if you were on

1879
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 3: a sheep hunt. I'm sure I've never been on a

1880
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 3: sheep hunt, but I'm sure that's similar. Certainly, it's like

1881
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 3: all that just gnarly rock ankle biters. I say ankle

1882
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:42,240
Speaker 3: biters because I always inevitably step on one and it

1883
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 3: just comes up and snaps the side of my ankle

1884
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 3: and I just get a little angry at that rock.

1885
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 3: Just funny.

1886
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks it looks pretty sweet. That one's on

1887
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:56,439
Speaker 2: my list for someday. That's a good Bridger. The Bridger

1888
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 2: Ridge Run is on.

1889
01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 3: The list for some day.

1890
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 2: The the Tee Town fifty K I was telling you about,

1891
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:05,200
Speaker 2: that's on the list. My buddy Yanni's doing the Big

1892
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 2: Horn this summer. That's on my list for someday. It's

1893
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:10,559
Speaker 2: so good the Big Horn.

1894
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 3: That whole community, that's that's that's the thing. I was like,

1895
01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:16,559
Speaker 3: you gotta go experiences and people come out and they

1896
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:20,800
Speaker 3: support it and that the Big Horn and Sheridan and

1897
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:23,720
Speaker 3: all that country down there. It's like everyone descends on

1898
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:27,519
Speaker 3: that race to cheer people on. It's it's insane and

1899
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:30,160
Speaker 3: that's like the heart of that's really good out country.

1900
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 3: There'll be bulls no joke, bullsel bugle in June when

1901
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 3: that race goes on. I've been there, I've heard them.

1902
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:39,840
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm just like, what in the world I

1903
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:43,000
Speaker 3: heard that they did that, but we'll never actually experienced

1904
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 3: it and sure thing, Yeah, that's awesome.

1905
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:48,679
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I got to ask you one last

1906
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:50,760
Speaker 2: question I'll get you out of here. For folks that

1907
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:54,000
Speaker 2: want to uh try some of the strength training stuff

1908
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 2: we've talked about, can you give folks recommendation? Where can

1909
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 2: they find stuff with Mountain Tough? How can they get involved?

1910
01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:05,559
Speaker 2: Maybe what would be like a first program to consider

1911
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:07,479
Speaker 2: If they're getting into the kind of stuff I'm getting

1912
01:41:07,479 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 2: into and they want to add that base of strength,

1913
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:12,200
Speaker 2: how would you recommend they do that.

1914
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, we love to encourage anybody to go and check

1915
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Speaker 3: out Mountain Tough, even for your audience, Mark and like

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Speaker 3: extending that to them. We could do a thirty day

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Speaker 3: trial on Mountain Tough, so you can just check it out.

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Speaker 3: You can just poke around in there because everyone's at

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Speaker 3: a different place and we don't want to be pushy ever,

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Speaker 3: but we want to meet people where they're at and

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Speaker 3: help get them on a path. Like I said, we

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Speaker 3: don't have a running program, but we do have the

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Speaker 3: strength piece covered, and we do have the cardio piece covered.

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Speaker 3: But we could do a thirty day trial and say

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Speaker 3: use code wired and go and check it out. You do,

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Speaker 3: won't cost you anything. Just go ahead and check it

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Speaker 3: out and then cancel it if you don't like it,

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Speaker 3: and keep doing it. Awesome. We just want to encourage you,

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Speaker 3: so I'll shoot that over email over to you with

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Speaker 3: the details about that. But like gosh, we'd love people

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Speaker 3: to get in there and and just see and hopefully

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Speaker 3: it's a stepping stone to sign up for a trail race.

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Speaker 3: That'd be amazing. And you don't need Mountain Tough to

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Speaker 3: sign up for a trail race or start running. Go

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Speaker 3: just head out your door and if you're not if

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Speaker 3: you're not feeling like running, just go and walk for

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Speaker 3: fifteen minutes and then just enjoy the beauty that's all

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Speaker 3: around and then get up two mornings from now and

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Speaker 3: do it again. And I'm certain people can tap into

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Speaker 3: that anytime they want to. It's just just a matter

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Speaker 3: of right time, ride place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, amen to that. I couldn't say any better,

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Speaker 2: And just thank you. Thanks for sharing all this, thanks

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Speaker 2: for the for the offer there for listeners to get

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Speaker 2: in there and give this stuff a try.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: I've just been enjoying this so much and seeing the

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Speaker 2: benefits and excited how it's going to help me this

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Speaker 2: fall and future years. And man, it's pretty funny geek

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Speaker 2: out about this stuff too. So I'm getting in and

1951
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Speaker 2: I can just see myself spiraling further and further. It's

1952
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Speaker 2: it's getting it's getting his claws into me.

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Speaker 3: Oh you're yeah, it's awesome. I'm like, I can flash

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Speaker 3: back too, because I was like, I got my boys

1955
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Speaker 3: are yeah, like they're they're little and they're seeing that

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Speaker 3: and and it's a big it's a big deal. I

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Speaker 3: can tell you that, it's a it's a big deal

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Speaker 3: to go and do it. And I guess, like I said,

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Speaker 3: I caution people not to let it take over their

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Speaker 3: their lives, but I was I was conscious of that,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, you know what, it's taking a little

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Speaker 3: bit more time from home, and I I do want

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Speaker 3: to be there and then flag football and all that

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Speaker 3: sort of stuff. And I was like, you know what,

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Speaker 3: I'm okay not running for as long as I thought,

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Speaker 3: and I'll still finish a race and I and I'm

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Speaker 3: good with that. But but having those having those pieces

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Speaker 3: out there and shoot your kids running hundred milers in

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Speaker 3: the house, that's that's one of the best things I've

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Speaker 3: ever heard. I love it. It's pretty darn funny. I

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Speaker 3: good kids, good kids, that's so cool. Good, good job

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Speaker 3: for sure. And yeah, I'll continue to encourage you on

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Speaker 3: this path. And yeah, I got I can. It's one

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Speaker 3: of the things about running too. I was like, how

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Speaker 3: I end up striking up a conversation and learning people's

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Speaker 3: stories and getting to tell all these cool stories. And

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Speaker 3: you get to do that in the mountains and I

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Speaker 3: don't know any trail, any trail anywhere. I'm like, it's

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Speaker 3: it's just one of the byproducts. So I appreciate the

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Speaker 3: time here. We could have been running this whole time.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: So maybe next time when I'm when I'm up in Bozeman,

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Speaker 2: next time, I'll be there this summer a good bit.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'll reach out, we can go for a run.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's do it. That would be that would be amazing.

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Speaker 3: Get to chat more and and uh yeah go ahead

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Speaker 3: of trail for sure. Awesome.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Wester, you bet, Thank you all right, and that

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Speaker 2: is going to do it for our chat today. Thank

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Speaker 2: you again for joining us. Hope you enjoyed this one

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Speaker 2: as much as I did. I hope that if you're

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Speaker 2: not consistently running, you might think about adding this to

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Speaker 2: your routine, doing a little bit more getting outside and

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Speaker 2: just moving a little bit more. I really do think

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Speaker 2: this is going to be something that can help you

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Speaker 2: become a better deer hunter, no matter where you hunt,

1997
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Speaker 2: no matter how you hunt, getting a little bit more

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Speaker 2: active out there is going to help. So hopefully this

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Speaker 2: helped kind of give you some inspiration to do that

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Speaker 2: and maybe some tools to take it to the next level.

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Speaker 2: If this is something that you're already doing but you

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Speaker 2: want to kind of expand the challenge or find new

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Speaker 2: ways to take it to that next level, I think

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Speaker 2: there's been some some ideas here for you too. I

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Speaker 2: want to reiterate what Weston mentioned. They're offering a thirty

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Speaker 2: day free trial for anyone listening to this. If you

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Speaker 2: want to sign up and try that body weight strength

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Speaker 2: routine that I've been using, you can go to the

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Speaker 2: Mountain Tough website and use promo code wired that's wired.

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Speaker 3: Or there's also a.

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Speaker 2: Direct link in the description for this podcast in your

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Speaker 2: podcast app. Just look in the notes there you'll see

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Speaker 2: a link. Click that and that will take you to

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Speaker 2: a sign up page as well.

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Speaker 3: So free day or free thirty day trial check it out.

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Speaker 3: It's good stuff.

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Speaker 2: I've been running at myself this spring and enjoying it

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Speaker 2: and definitely appreciate Weston offering that to all of us

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Speaker 2: as well. So with that all said, appreciate you, thanks

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Speaker 2: for being here. Until next time, stay wired to Hunt.