WEBVTT - Ep. 50: Bottom Bouncer Of Death 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:10.559 That shark hits him, and I chuckle because they're all like, yeah, poo, guys, 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.960 and then this shark does cold cock. I don't know 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:15.720 what you guys. Joe was saying that he can cast 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:18.280 his entire reel off in one cast. If you go 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:22.680 to porta pontoon dot com, you are redirected to a 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:28.360 different U r L Prison art News dot com. I 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.320 don't win the car. Come on, meat Eater's bigger than Oravious. 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:36.760 Good morning, degenerate Anglers, and welcome to Band the fishing 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.640 podcast that has no issue spending fifty bucks on a 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:41.800 spool of braid but box at the price of a 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:46.440 single tapered fly leader. I'm Joe Surmeli a Miles Nulty. Truth. 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:48.960 My my solution there is I just used the same 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.800 tapered leader all season, because that's one way, because I'm 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:54.680 cheap and and I know how to tie a damn 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:59.480 good blood not so having said all that, like, uh, 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:01.840 I don't know where you're going with this. Is like 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.880 the theme the price of fishing line is that that 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.119 you're doing And it's like a bit of a loose 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:09.080 theme this week, But I guess I guess it's about 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:12.000 spending money wisely, we'll say, and it's sort of stems 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:15.319 from like a lot of questions we've been getting lately 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.039 about gear, which, as we've said, we welcome, and we 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:21.080 get a ton of people asking for recommendations, particularly on 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.000 like lower budget gear, which we're happy to provide. But 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.280 I think you'll agree right that there are also certain 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:31.040 items in the fishing gear world that you just don't 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:35.880 scrimp on. Yes, yes, boxed up with you there, completely agree, 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.080 and I think I see where you're going here, uh 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:43.920 to connect that. I also I never skip online, you don't, 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.880 don't exactly, which I'll talk about more in just a 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.920 sec here, But like another example, um, you know, like 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.800 I also tend to look for quality hooks on lures. However, 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.080 let's be honest, that's one of those things most of 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.400 the time, right, you can get by with with budget 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.760 trebles for freshwater species like bass and trout and walleyes. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.920 But as you said, if I had to peg one 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.840 like universal spend that applies to all anglers, it would 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.959 be braid and floora carbon Like I'm gonna I'm gonna 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.720 interrupt you for just a second, and only because I 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.320 think I think the piece that brings this all together 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.119 is like you don't want to skimp on the thing 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:20.960 that directly connects you to the fish you want to catch, 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:23.600 whether it's the line of the hook right. You can 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:27.280 do everything right, and if your line or your hook fails, 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.840 you lose. So I think I think that's like the 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.559 through line of like what you want to not necessarily 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.040 skimp on. Yeah, And there's a million examples, like when 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.639 you get really sort of drilled down in different factions, 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:40.760 like why you want to vanstall over this reel and 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.960 surfcasting in general terms, no matter what you're fishing for, 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:45.920 Like that's a big one to me. And I have 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.720 no issue fishing a like a sixty or eighty dollar 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:52.400 rod or reel or a discount lowre but I never 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.680 ever buy cheap raid or cheap floor of carbon because 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.440 in my opinion, like that's just where you split it. 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:00.480 Like you said, that's your main connection. And I've heard 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.920 people say many times, Uh, it's all the same. You know, 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.959 you're paying for the name and you're not not. I 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:11.960 you're not. It's not like it's not like pay an 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.040 extra for for advil. You know, when the CVS brand, 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.520 I'd be profen as exactly the same bradings. It's not 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.880 the same deal. Um So, I mean, no matter what 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.920 you're chasing, right, there's benefit to good flora because the 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.480 real stuff, at least I believe, is stronger. It's more 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:29.400 brasient resistant and more invisible underwater, which is part of 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.360 the reason why you buy flora, so it disappears um 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:35.600 and and good braid really, I think it's an investment. 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:37.480 Like I have a few reels that have had the 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:41.119 same braid on them for years, as do I as 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:44.320 do I, and I think the deal that I don't 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.960 think people recognize as how much technology goes into making 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.840 good line, whether it's grade or flora carbon. The cheap 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:54.000 ones are made cheaply, and they're not made the same 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.520 way there is, and what you get is a totally 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.880 different product that won't perform the same It just doesn't. 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:02.640 And and that that teas me up because I have 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:06.640 to ask you what is your go to braid? Right? Well, 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.040 you're talking to a guy who's used all of them too, right, 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.400 And like, after coming full circle on most of the 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:14.480 braids out there, I've gotten my hands on at some point, 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:17.520 I gotta say I am a huge fan of Suffix 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.159 eight thirty two. And that's the braid that has one 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:24.640 gore fiber woven into it, you know I'm talking about Yeah, 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:27.600 And I'm sure people are like, uh, yeah, look it is. 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.000 It's one of the most expensive braids out there, right, 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.680 But of all the braids I've used, I have never 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.520 had any issue with it. Uh. Some people say it's 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.960 like a little bit thicker diameter, maybe slightly stiffer than 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.240 other braids. Break it in that all goes away, but 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:46.919 it is some seriously tough ship. Like I love that line. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.599 And then I mean, in a pinch right, classic power 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:51.760 Pro would be a close second. I think Power Pro 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.520 is still one of the best lines. Just don't get 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.200 your fingers too close to it when it's moving quickly. Well, 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:00.400 that's any braid really kind of Well, I know what 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.919 you're using to fill those new kalon se spinning reels. 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.800 I know you got recently from thirteen fishing. That's right, 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:09.800 that's right you do. And and let me tell you what, man, 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:14.479 those Kalon's they're like they're hot off the press, brand new, 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:17.640 and we got a little advanced look at them. Um, 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:19.760 and I've been fishing them for a bit now and 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:21.880 I like them a lot so far. Right. They come 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.000 in smaller freshwater sizes, but they actually run all the 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.279 way up to size five, which I'll be using in 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.360 the salt in the very near future. Um, silky smooth. 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.560 So far, the drag seems really solid. And for those 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.800 of you perhaps not into some of the shall we 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:41.520 say like Louder Colors thirteen was known for, right this Yeah, 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.760 this series is all sexy chrome and gold trim, No neons, 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.920 very sharp, no, pretty pretty understated really. I also, for 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.400 the record, have a few of the Kalons. I have 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.360 to admit, because they're so new, I haven't fished them 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.400 a whole lot. Yeah, yeah, I have. I've gotten the 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:00.280 one and the two out, and so far I've enjoyed it, don't. 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.200 I gotta say like they've performed very well, particularly for 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.839 the price, right, because it's like a in that line, 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.800 it's an eighty to a reel, which is very budget 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:15.080 friendly and therefore appropriate for the theme of today's show. Agreed, Agreed, 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:16.680 you save money on the reel, you have more money 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.640 for high end braid. Yeah, right, And so I also 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:23.800 have similar examples of like where not to skimp on 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.080 the fly side when you're buying gear. But I'm gonna 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.120 let you wait in first to see if my examples 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.359 match yours. I feel I mean, I feel like we 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.280 may have talked about it, but the same deal man line. Right. 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.920 I will first say, though, before I dig into where 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.080 I want to go with just fly line, I'm gonna 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:43.240 give a quick tip for Flora carbon for fly fishing, right, 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:45.719 And what I'm gonna say is, don't bother with the 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:49.839 four markup on on the Flora carbon tipp it that 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.400 like has fly fishing written on it and it's sold 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:56.240 in those tiny little spools. Just buy the big conventional 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.680 spools of really good quality flora. And if if you 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.080 just gotta have the little mini tippets pools to hang 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.080 off your vest or your fanny pack or whatever, just 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:10.520 refill them with the much cheaper conventional floor oh same stuff. 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.640 Save yourself a bunch of money. Having said all that, 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:17.680 the place you should not skimp is fly line, middle 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:22.240 of the road, fly rods anymore, excellent fly reels and 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.720 most freshwater situations are just line holders. Salts a little different, 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.120 but I still don't think you need top of the 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:32.840 line in most circumstances. I do notice a huge difference however, 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:36.320 between a fifty dollar fly line and a ninety fly line. 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.200 So I'd say spend your money there. It's worth It 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:42.080 could not be more eye to eye on that. Um 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:45.280 And I would say, we're not wait this week, we're 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:49.400 not arguing because I I agree with this. The line 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.160 was absolutely a pick of mine, right, and I think 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:55.240 if you're a beginner caster, it's even more important because 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.000 and I know right, the cheapest like bass Pro house 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.640 brand fly line is not going to make you proficient faster, 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.640 you know what I mean, Like similar to braid there, 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.720 you're paying for technology that goes into those lines. So 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.800 splurge on good fly line. Um And I dude, I 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:13.520 couldn't even tell you the last time I bought a 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:17.600 spool of fly specific flora I have. I have spools 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.600 of of of like micro stuff for drys on occasion 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:24.760 though though that's not what I do mostly, but otherwise, like, 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:29.240 there are spools of STrenD Berkeley Suffix all manner of 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.320 flora ranging from four to twenty pound in my fly 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:36.439 my fly bag, and it works just fine for fly fishing. 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:40.520 Um But and I had originally brought up tapered leaders though, 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:44.000 because if you can learn like one not, you can 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.360 easily make your own there too. That's why I originally 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.000 shouted that out. And I'm gonna say I have a 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.000 lot of love just for the the aesthetic beauty of 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.960 a good blood. Not the surgeon not works. Fine, I 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:58.959 get it, it's strong use whatever not makes most ends 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.679 to you. But for me, sometimes the most satisfying part 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:03.760 of my day is having that blood not come together 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:09.760 just perfectly, just so in such exactly what you mean. Yeah, 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:12.920 but we look, we could. We could definitely talk about 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.440 this stuff all day. We can talk tackle, we can 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.560 talk fly, we can talk convention, we talk reels. But 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.520 what about boats. I know we've talked about as many 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:24.080 times our first boats, both of ours were total beaters, 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:28.400 and that that like that could those conversations just so 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.160 you all know those conversations where the idea for doss 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.080 boat came from in the first place. Right, we're just 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:38.000 celebrating the nostalgia and the functionality and the love we 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:42.280 have for shitty old boats. All that said, some boats 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:46.000 are not worth the aggravation. There are boats you should 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.040 not buy, and we have it. I'd call it an 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:53.040 extra special sale. Bin segment that that I I hope 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.959 serves as a warning, no matter how desperate you are, 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.280 to get off the bank and on a lake in 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.040 a vessel that you can call all your owner, no 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.640 matter how bad you want to be the captain, do 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.319 not buy this boat. Why did you put the hand 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.080 to pay? You don't know what I'm getting? Man? What 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.560 you didn't have to be so hurtful with me so angry. 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:18.160 This week's Saleman has layers. I think that's the That's 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.400 that's one way to put it. Yeah, layers upon layers 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:27.040 upon layers, just like really bad ideas and this one. Yes, 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.160 I'm excited for this and this was a trip, dude. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.720 I agree, And I agree that most of the layers 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:36.400 consist of bad ideas. But I also think, I also 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.320 think that those layers might be piled on top of 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:45.400 a seed, a small seed, and maybe a somewhat deformed 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.560 seed of brilliance. It's like, it's like it's like the 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.839 princess and the pea. Do you remember that. I can 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.720 I can feel the lump of an interesting concept even 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:59.439 under all those mattresses of bullshit. That's the analogy that 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.120 comes to my no, no, no, there's there is no 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.760 p there's no seed. This will not grow if you 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.400 plan it. I am certain, uh that this item is. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:14.560 It is just as idiotic as the insane scheme that's 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.640 been built to sell it. Okay, this, I mean, the 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.079 whole thing is funny, right, but I am shocked that 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.200 any part of you has been suckered by the marketing 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.400 of this product, because this one a little bit, this one, 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.400 I mean, dude, we've done some wacky stuff here, but 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:32.119 this one deserves like all the ridicule we could possibly 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.280 throw at it. This one's next level. Enough enough build 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:38.480 let's let's let's set this up. A few of you 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:42.040 have sent this sale ban nomination, but I think the 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.800 first one that I saw anyway came from Nate luked 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:49.520 looked looched. I don't know any of those three. Let 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:53.160 us know Nate and Nate sent us a Craigslist ad 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.280 from d c and and the title of that this 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:01.600 ad is free in all caps, free boat for reps, 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:06.160 pontoon boat, kayak, canoe raft john boat see videos eight 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:10.719 hundred dollars and the following descript I gotta say, the 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.679 following description just makes the whole thing sound like a 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:18.440 nautical pyramid scheme. Okay, so here it is become a 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:23.800 representative for the unique and popular Porta Pontoon for only 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:27.640 eight hundred dollars and get a free again in all 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:32.200 caps free pared a pontoon family pontoon boat with no 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:37.920 strings attached sells for As a representative, you are not 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:42.240 obligated to carry any inventory or make any commitment whatsoever. 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.400 You only agree to give a test ride on your 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:51.040 Porta Pontoon to any perspective buyer at your convenience, for 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:55.640 which you will be compensated one in cash for each 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:59.600 test ride you give. If the prospective buyer agrees to 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:03.400 buy a Porta Pontoon after the test ride, you will 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:07.280 be paid in additional on You need do nothing more. 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:11.840 The buyer will be charged one hundred dollars less than 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:15.559 the list price to compensate for the fee given by 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:20.719 him slash her to you for the test ride. So okay, right, 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:26.400 we gotta let's examine that last sent the buyer. The 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.840 buyer will be charged one less than the list price 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.280 to compensate for the fee given by him or her 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:38.080 to you for the test ride. So if I'm the 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.280 sales rap for the company, I have to hang out 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.240 like in my local lake, offering test rides that cost 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:48.679 a hundred dollars each. I think we we haven't even 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.800 described the craft yet, but I'm guessing most of you 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.160 wouldn't pony up a hundred clams for a test ride 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.960 on anything, let let alone what we're about to describe. 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:02.440 So the ad goes on continue. We will handle all 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.679 billion shipment of the Porta Pontoon to the buyer. You 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.560 were under no obligation whatsoever to make any sales. The 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:14.640 porta Pontoon sells itself. Everyone wants a test ride on 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:19.240 the Porta Pontoon, including skeptics who don't remain skeptics after 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:24.160 the ride. Ten test rides will net you one thousand dollars, 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.800 whether you do them in a day, a week, or 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:31.560 a month. Become a Porta Pontoon representative. Now you have 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:36.560 nothing to risk and everything to gain, including your own 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:41.760 free porta Pontoon to keep. So here's where there's more 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.840 evidence that the person has no idea what they're talking about. 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:47.600 They claim ten test rides will net you, and net 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:51.280 is the key word, a thousand bucks. But you already 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.840 spent eight hundred dollars. To become a sales wrap, which 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:55.560 is just another way of saying you just spent eight 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:59.240 hundred dollars on the boat, right right, which would mean 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.040 that if you did ten test rides, you net two 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.480 hundred dollars. Now, I'm not in economics ways by any 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.200 stretch of the imagination. I mean, I was in the 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:11.720 math trailer straight through college, okay, But knowing the difference 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.400 between net and gross is kind of the definition of 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.320 basic econ. You know, it is it is, And that 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:21.040 was like everything about that setup was flawed. I agree 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.920 with you. I am definitely not signing up to be 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.080 apport Upontoon sales reps. I'm not gonna spend eight hundred 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:30.080 bucks so I can like hang around local lakes and 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.240 try to convince people to give me a hundred bucks 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.120 to test ride my boat, because you have to be 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:36.800 able to take credit cards. Like, who's even got a 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:42.040 hundred bucks cash on him anymore? It's ridiculous. None of 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.960 it makes sense, right, And and here's the thing that 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:50.040 really makes support Upontoon either genius or the stupidest thing ever. 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:55.560 The entire boat consists of eight knockoff rubber maide totes 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.760 four chunks supply with four chunks of press board and 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:02.280 ten compression straps. That's it. It's it's like a modern 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:06.400 huck finn raft made from spare hardware store parts. Yeah, 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.920 and it's it's all. It's it's all like strapped together. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.920 And I literally hundred bucks to take a test ride 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:15.160 on huck Finns shitty rat. And I literally when you 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.640 found this, I just typed in the search box and 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:22.040 google black and yellow tote and instantly like hit number one, 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:26.840 the exact totes for sale at Loews. However, why not 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:31.120 let's thicken the plot, right, because the post was written 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:34.520 by Captain Dennis no last name, who is supposedly the 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:38.560 inventor of the Porta pontoon, which, according to him, it 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.520 collapses and fits in the car back seat or trunk, 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.520 uses oars or an outboard your choice, suitable for a 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.720 family of five, right, And he says most popular is 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.400 the basic model that does not include the optional removable 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:55.800 canopy top. That's the most popular one, okay, um, But 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:59.880 like if this ship isn't loony enough, Captain Dennis wrote 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:03.720 entire book about his life's work inventing the Porta Pontoon, 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:07.800 called The Amazing collapsible pontoon boat, which he says in 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:10.200 the post, is available on Amazon um and in it 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.120 you'll hear the story of how this magnificent invention came 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:17.199 to be, which involved consulting with engineers to create the 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:21.600 first production model. Like it's and insane, Like it's maybe 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.880 two and alls worth the materials they're trying to sell 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.760 for a thousand. You could make this yourself easily. In fact, 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:29.400 I think the shipping is free because when you send 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.920 him a thousand dollars, he just logs on a home depot, 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.240 buys all the parts and just sends them to you 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:36.800 to send them to your house. That's what you get. 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.000 You'd get it from You'd get the boat from home depot. 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:43.520 You know. I think that's all accurate, and I agree 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.240 with you there, But I I don't think the problem 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.080 is so much in the design, as crazy as it 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.359 sounds like. I'm intrigued by that. I think the real 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:54.480 problem with this whole idea is branding and marketing, because 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:58.040 it looks like a floating garage sale, and the idea 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.320 of the whole sales rep Pyramid sky angles is not 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:05.760 going to work. But having a boat that you can 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.440 break down into a stack of tubs and a few 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.720 chunks would appeals to me on some level. And that's 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.520 that is the seed, That is the p that I 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.639 think qualifies as clever. I like the idea of a 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.720 guy building his own boat ship laying around his garage. Yeah, 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.159 and I'm all about that. And just like another comment, 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.560 this is not the only collapsible boat out there. There's 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:29.280 been one, like collapsible canoes, kayaks there, dude, there was 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.920 the inflatable drift boat. Remember that. Do you know anybody 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.679 who like leaned into that forever? You know what I mean? Like, 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:36.600 I've never seen one of these things work, but with 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.560 this one in particular. Did you watch the videos because 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:41.919 I have, And let me tell you what, there's a 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:46.760 lot of listing and sagging and dipping. So like it's 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.840 fine to say survive on maybe, like I would rather 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:52.600 have this than nothing if I was in the middle 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:54.840 of the ocean, but like, as as a choice to 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:59.200 recreate what kind of questions that did? I watched the videos, 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.240 of course I watched the videos, and I particularly the one. 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:05.360 Did you see the one where this computerized voice did 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.520 the video? Like they couldn't even record the video of themselves. 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.600 They had to type it into a program to do 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.560 it like a robot did it. The videos did not 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:15.560 convince me to go out and buy the product. But 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.159 even after watching them, the products still isn't my issue. 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:21.719 It's it's still the marketing. It's everything from the pyramid 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.240 scheme to Captain Dennis's crazy book. Like, that's my issue. 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:27.119 You know. I tried to buy you a copy of 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.920 the book. I couldn't find it for Phillo. Yeah, I looked. 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:32.399 I was like, you're a book guy that maybe this 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:34.960 is terrific. It must I must be sold out, or 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:37.440 maybe OPRA flagged it and gave everyone a poort u pontoon. 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:42.640 Everybody get humped back, Well you get hump back, Well 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:47.840 you getta hump back. Well, everybody's gonna hump back. Well 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.639 I'm not I'm not surprised you couldn't find a copy. 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:57.119 The Craigslist add also said that this vote was quote 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.840 selected by Southern Voting Magazine. Would she is a real thing? 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.919 But if you search the Southern Voting Magazine website, no 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:07.360 mention of the porta pontoon comes up. Yet also claims 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.080 the boat was created and sold by the Fair Winds 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:15.439 Foundation which doesn't seem to exist. Finally, if you porta 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:19.840 pontoon dot com, you are redirected to a different U 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:22.920 r L that I assume was built for a very 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:28.760 different purpose prison art news dot com. That's like the 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:32.280 m Night Shamalan moment of this exactly right, and now 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.639 all this might make sense. I don't know if what 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:36.399 I'm about to say is true, but this is my 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:38.480 this is my story. I'm sticking to it. I think 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:41.320 this entire invention and the book about it, was a 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:44.919 project that kept somebody saying and focused through a stint 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:48.160 in prison, Like the porta pontoon saved my life when 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:50.720 I was in prison. That's what I think happened. And 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:55.240 that is my final justification for kind of loving this product. Well, 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:57.960 there you go. It's it's all very shall shank listen. 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:00.480 We don't recommend you get sucked in this scheme, but 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:02.680 if you do, please let us know how the vessel 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:04.760 treat you, how it handles, how it takes a turn, 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:08.080 how it works in class five white water um. And 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:11.160 if you come across someone else's prison survival product that's 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:14.720 even slightly fishing related, please send a link to bent 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:19.760 at the Meat eator dot com. You know what, though, 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:22.840 it dawns on me that, considering how hard it is 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:25.600 to find a good used boat right now, we also 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:31.439 may just have inadvertently seated the idea of competition for 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:33.800 the well yeah, because like we said, there's there's nothing 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.640 there that. Yeah, there's nothing there that can't be purchased 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:38.880 at home depot. So I mean, hell, I might make 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:40.359 too and just throw them on the lawn for a 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:43.000 thousand bucks. Pop City. You should too, you know what 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.880 I mean, a little extra walking around money also put 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:48.360 up put up signs that says that you're looking for 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:52.920 for reps and people that it's not a bad idea. 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:55.600 I could use whatever cash I make off of that 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:59.399 to buy a bigger shadow box to display my huge, 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:03.240 glittering array of trophies that I have won in the 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:07.320 weekly Internet searching competition we like to call fish news. 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:16.640 Fish news. That escalated quickly. First and foremost, right, we 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:19.959 just wanted to say that we were overwhelmed by the 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:23.160 number of submissions we got for the Get Bent Experienced 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:27.280