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Speaker 1: Good morning, degenerate Anglers, and welcome to Band the fishing

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Speaker 1: that's one way to put it. Yeah, layers upon layers

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Speaker 1: We don't recommend you get sucked in this scheme, but

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Speaker 1: gonna go through many different rounds, but great job. We're

425
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: so pumped. Um. I got just a couple other juicy

426
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: shout outs here before we jump in the news. Their

427
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 1: quickies but just just so good. So remember I did

428
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: a finclips not long ago about mad tim catfish, right,

429
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 1: and how they make excellent small mouth baits, but also

430
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: how they can be kind of tricky to collect, and

431
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: how they also can can stick you with with venomous

432
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 1: spines and give you a nasty poke. Well, listener Jim

433
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: Birchfield wrote in uh and said, here's what you do,

434
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: not only to catch more mad times faster, but reduce

435
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: your risk of getting stuck. He says, instead of trying

436
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: to sane them, right, you lift rocks very slowly and

437
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: just take a little peek underneath, and as soon as

438
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: you see a mad tom chilling under there, you lower

439
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: the rock back ever so gently so it doesn't spook,

440
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: and then you just give the rock a solid whack

441
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: with a hammer, and the shock wave traveling through the

442
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: rocks stuns the mad tom. So you can just then

443
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: just lift the rock and they're all comatose and you're

444
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: just easily scooping with a dip net. And he says

445
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 1: after about two minutes in your bucket, the mad tip

446
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: comes back to life and it's as right as rain.

447
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: And if that works, that's one of the best bait

448
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: collection tips I've ever heard. That's right up there with

449
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: with the Golden Rod grubs. Yes, I that's that's a

450
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: really good one. That's actually making me want to go

451
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: on a mad Tom mission. Um, so, Jim appreciate that one.

452
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: And then Jake Bram hit me up on Instagram to

453
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 1: let me know that we missed something in our coverage

454
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: of the jetty and that's my bar. Okay, he says,

455
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: um it has a pretty strong reputation as a swingers bar.

456
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, So if that's what you're into, you okay,

457
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: turn off for some turn on for this perhaps perhaps

458
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: and send him for some of you to visit this

459
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: on the water drinking establishment in Maryland even more now.

460
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: So appreciate that, Jake, thanks for letting us know to

461
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: be on the lookout for that if we end up

462
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: there eating the oysters. So that's what I got for

463
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: shout outs. That's uh. I think it's it's it don't

464
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: eat the oysters, that's oysters. Do look out for someone

465
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 1: who's given you the right kind of wink, got it? Okay,

466
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: that's what we do with the jetty. Um, we're gonna

467
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna jump into the actual fish News segment here,

468
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: And just just a quick reminder for those of you

469
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: who don't know, this is a competition. Joe and I

470
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: don't know what the other is bringing to the table.

471
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: And at the end, Phil, who is our figurehead some

472
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: might say maybe even our godhead, would we call him that.

473
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 1: Phil is going to jump in and he is going

474
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: to decide who is a winner and who is a woser.

475
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: As gonna say, he Rick rolled me for real last week,

476
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: which is with his judgment, like I was, he legit

477
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: Rick rolled me. So I'm still pissed that he gave

478
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: you the wind, but it was worth it to get

479
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: the rip roll. I will admit that. Um and you

480
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 1: are up first this week. It is okay, okay, So

481
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: let's get a little weird and bloody and talk freak

482
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: fishing accidents because this one has to be one of

483
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: the more bizarre ones I've heard. And when I when

484
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: I first heard this, my initial thought was like no way.

485
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: But then after thinking about it for a while, I've

486
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: changed my mind and I see how it's it's it's

487
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: very plausible. So this comes from South Dakota's Kilo Land

488
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: dot com and it says on June seven, Todd thessen

489
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: Bits was doing a little fishing on a lake in

490
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: minnie Haaha County and during said outing, Todd connected with

491
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: a nice pike. And while the story doesn't specify, I'm

492
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: betting he was actually walleye fishing because he was using

493
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: a bottom bouncer rig. And in case you don't know

494
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: what that is, okay, picture is car shaped weight with

495
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: a thin wire running right through it. And the wire

496
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: is V shaped, so one arm of the V has

497
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: the weight in the middle and more of the bare

498
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: wire extending below it, and the other arm has a

499
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: snap swivel at the end, so you you tie your

500
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: mainline to the iselet that's in the point or like

501
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: the crook of the V. So what you do is

502
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: run a leader off that snap swivel and you have

503
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: it trailing a spinner harness or crawler harness. I think

504
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: some guys even do this with just a live minnow

505
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: in toe and uh. The While the rig as a

506
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: whole looks kind of awkward, the idea is that as

507
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: the boat is drifting. Okay, this weight keeps the rig

508
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: running along the bottom, but it's the wire sticking out

509
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: of the weight that makes contact with the bottom and

510
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 1: sort of ticks along, and it doesn't snag up very easily.

511
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: So basically it's letting you drag the offering just off

512
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: the bottom without getting hung up. Um. And it's Walleye

513
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: guys that I would say, lean on them the hardest.

514
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: I've always seen that as a all I take you. Yeah,

515
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: it's it's X, but I have always seen it for

516
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: a walleye right right. So anyway, Todd's out there bottom bouncing.

517
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: He hooks this pike and just when he gets it

518
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: to the surface, his leader snaps sling, shotting the bottom

519
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: bouncer at him, and it hits with the wire and

520
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: first right in the chest, and he says in the story,

521
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: I've seen the bottom bouncer come flying towards me like

522
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: in slow motion. Well, I thought it just hit me

523
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: in the chest. But when it hit me in the chest,

524
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: I felt something right here and then realized that it

525
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: was stuck inside of me. So the yeah, So the

526
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: wire below the weight punched into his chest so hard

527
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 1: and deeply that it punctured the freaking left ventricle of

528
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: his heart. Okay, And as I said earlier, at first

529
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: I thought, no way, Like, there's so much hardness there,

530
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: your your your breastplate and everything. Um, but I don't

531
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: exactly use bottom bouncer. So it's not a piece of

532
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: tackle I'm very familiar with. And I swore that I

533
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: remember them having like a curled over end or like

534
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: an angled end, but I was totally wrong. It's just that, Yeah,

535
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: it's just a te off piece of stiff wire coming

536
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: out of the bottom of that wig, which makes this

537
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: thing like a heavy ass blow dart with a really

538
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: long tip. Right. So, now now that I like like

539
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: kind of like looked into the bottom bouncer, and I see,

540
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: I see how this is possible. Now if that thing's

541
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: flying at you so luckily, I mean, you can't. I

542
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: don't know about you, but all I can think about

543
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: is the scene in pulp fiction right now, Oh totally

544
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: when he hits on the chest with the adrenaline needle.

545
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: You gotta gotta punch through the breathplate with the needle,

546
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: That's exactly He's like, you got, Yeah, you gotta hit

547
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: her so hard that the same thing like that. Still,

548
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: even though you know it wasn't blunt like it is

549
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: a pointy I guess wire, it still seems like the

550
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: amount of force it would have bent before it made

551
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: it through there. But apparently not super stiff wire. Man.

552
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: I there there, they're stiff. I can see. Okay, okay,

553
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: well there you go. So luckily Todd's wife and daughter

554
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: were out with him, and his daughter happens to be

555
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: a nurse, and uh, she had the wherewithal to leave

556
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: it in. She said, you know, your instinct in a

557
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: situation like that when you have something foreign, is to

558
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: just get it out. But they credited her with his

559
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: recovery because they didn't take it out. So they had

560
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: first responders waiting at the dock, and his wife, Marie,

561
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: drove them in and she said every wave they hit,

562
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: the poor guy was just like screaming because it hurts

563
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: so bad when he was getting shaken around right. Um,

564
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: And apparently the ambulance crew cut the weight off the

565
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: bottom bouncer and then clamped off the wound, leaving just

566
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: the wire in his chest, so he wasn't traveling with

567
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: the whole weight anymore. Um. And then he was airlifted

568
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: to Sue Falls. So Todd is recovering. But according to

569
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: the story, he says his doctors and Sue Falls say,

570
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: it's a miracle he's still here because had he pulled

571
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: the bottom bouncer out, they figured he would have bled

572
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: out in thirty minutes. So like what a twist that,

573
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: Like his daughter was there to say, don't do that.

574
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: So if something like that ever happens to you, remember

575
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,719
Speaker 1: to contemplate do I take it out? Do I leave

576
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: it in? Do I take it hout? Do I leave

577
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: it in? And so this is this is on. This

578
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: is on par with sinkers hitting people in the eye

579
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: and ending up like inside their skull behind their eyes

580
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: and the ocular cavities. I've seen that. I'm sure you've

581
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: seen those X rays. Um. I once got pictures from

582
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: a dude that ended up with a bullet weight in

583
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: his cheek like it was a literal bullet. Um. But

584
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: I think the big lesson here with this story is

585
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: that this the snap back is sort of a sleeper

586
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: misery maker and fishing. I don't think we think about

587
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: it enough, you know, like you just you just hurry

588
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: up and yank to get things unstuck. But I mean,

589
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: even like a tiny clouds or split shot can hurt

590
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: you very badly. I'm sure. I bet some of you

591
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: out there have stories. A matter of fact, I have

592
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: seen it personally. Yeah, when when I was gutt in

593
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: the Laska, particularly for soak, and people would snag the socket,

594
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: you'd always make the young guide go net because you

595
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: got that big chunk of weight and this big and

596
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: someone's reefing on it, and you're like, hey, new guy,

597
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: you're on net because that thing pulls out of the

598
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: side of the fish and it comes back and there,

599
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, solid chunk's lead coming straight at you. I watched,

600
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: I watched this kid take one of the forehead and

601
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: just go out cold on the on the gravel bar.

602
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: Was done. It was and he had a really nasty

603
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: egg wound on his face. For a while I felt

604
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: bad for him. But back to the story you were

605
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: really talking about. I saw this on a Facebook post,

606
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: and I think you missed the best detail of the

607
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: whole story right because the Facebook post I saw was

608
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: from his wife from Tom. They rushed, they you know,

609
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: they make the call, they rush to get to the dock.

610
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: They get him into the ambulance. She asks a friend

611
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: to help get the boat back on the trailer because

612
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: she's kind of shaking up, understandably, and before she goes

613
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: to the hospital, she makes sure to cover the boat.

614
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: That that detail was in her Facebook post, and I

615
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: just thought, yes, yeah, I didn't see the post. I

616
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: was just reading the news story. They did not mention

617
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: that that's good that she's a keeper. That's that's fantastic.

618
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: He's being rushed to the hospital. But you know, we

619
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: we got to get the boat cover on before we

620
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: have Tokay, Yeah, I appreciate that that is the right

621
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: corporations and good news on this one. Right, he's recovering.

622
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: This kind of ended the best that it possibly could have. Like,

623
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: you couldn't get a better outcome from this. It's a

624
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: freak accident. It's not like I'm gona be afraid of

625
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: using bottom bouncers. But that's to have him survived. That

626
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: first of all, testament to the dude. He's he's tough.

627
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: And second of all, I'm just happy that that's the

628
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: way it went, that that's the way we're telling the

629
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: end of this story. Yea, And I gotta say I've

630
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: been kind of a owner with the fish News lately. Right,

631
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: So I appreciate the happy story because I have been

632
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: bringing some some negativity into the tournament. Perhaps in my defense,

633
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: I just report on what's happening, like it's it's not

634
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: my fault that fish are dying everywhere, so why But

635
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: I look at these stories and I'm like, oh, that's brutal,

636
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: that's not funny at all. I'll leave that for Miles.

637
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: It's still important, right, and then these things are not

638
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: my fault. Don't hate the messenger, Phil, don't hate the messenger.

639
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: But for a change of pace, this is the week

640
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: of optimism, and I appreciate you setting me up nothing

641
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: but positive stories for Miles today. So strap on your

642
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: rose tinted glasses and prepared to feel just a little

643
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: better about our our shared fishy world. All right. First,

644
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: great news from the great state of Minnesota that comes

645
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: to us from the St. Paul Pioneer Press. A recent

646
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: environment and resources bill passed both the State House and

647
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: Senate and as a waiting the signature of Governor Tim Walls.

648
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure that bill includes all kinds of substantive provisions

649
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: that will have implications for fish and wildlife and water

650
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: and land contained within its many, many pages. But I

651
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: am going to focus on one single sentence, which reads,

652
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: the Commissioner must annually established daily and possession limits for

653
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: gar Nice, Phil, Can we get around applause for that? Please? Phil?

654
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: And some of you out there might be wondering why

655
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: I just requested applause for one vague and basic sentence

656
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: slipped into sixty million years and finally someone cares exactly

657
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: one sentence, Like you know, one sentence slipped into a

658
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: state level omnimus. Bill doesn't seem like much. But with

659
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: that sentence, as you were saying, Joe, Guard just made

660
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: a huge leap up the ladder of fish management hierarchy,

661
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: right because historically garbin classified as rough fish in Minnesota

662
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: and are still categorized as such in most states. Rough

663
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: fish have none of the basic protections afforded to game fish,

664
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: like size limits, bagging, possession limits, or seasons. People can

665
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: kill as many rough fish as they want, any time

666
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: they want, so long as the method of take is legal.

667
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: Most rough fish are included our native As you say,

668
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: sixty five million years, They've been swimming around North America

669
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: far longer than your beloved bass. They got here first,

670
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: ye all right? Now, the term rough fish dates back

671
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: to the mid nineteenth century and reflects the uninformed attitudes

672
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: and beliefs toward natural resources that was common at that time.

673
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: The fact that much of the US still maintains a

674
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: rough fish versus game fish cast system of management is

675
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: in my opinion, completely outdated and fails to recognize all

676
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: that we've learned about ecology in the past half century.

677
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: A couple of generations ago, anglers were taught that rough

678
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: fish i e. Any fish besides what they were trying

679
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: to catch. We're taking up space in the lake that

680
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: could be occupied by something better perture small mouth. For example,

681
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: it was once common practice to toss all rough fish

682
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: up on the bank and leave them to rot, and

683
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: many people who did this genuinely thought they were doing

684
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: good for their resources. But we now know that aquatic

685
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: ecosystems don't function that way. They're not a zero sum game.

686
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: Killing tulabian suckers won't make more wallye. It'll just disrupt

687
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: the ecosystem and potentially harm the very fish populations those

688
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: anglers thought they were helping MHM. Thankfully, wanton waste laws

689
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,479
Speaker 1: came along, which theoretically prevented people from slaughtering rough fish

690
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: and leaving them to rot in most states, but rough

691
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: fish still lack basic protections and baseline management. This bill

692
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: in Minnesota doesn't go so far as to name guard

693
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: game fish. Some lawmakers opposed such a radical change and

694
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: threatened to vote against it if it actually called guard

695
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: game fish. Can't have that having forbid, but it does

696
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: establish some baseline protections for them. It's one small step

697
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: towards rectifying a national fisheries problem. We don't know what

698
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: the limits will be like, the limits aren't set, but

699
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: the fact that limits will be said, that's meaningful. That's

700
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: a step forward. Yep. The legislation came as a result

701
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: of public outcry following a YouTube video from last winter

702
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: that showed a group of dark house spears in Minnesota

703
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: with a d two dead guard laid out on the ice.

704
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: The video captured the attention of thousands of people who

705
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: know nothing about native fish classifications or management, but simply

706
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: saw what they perceived as carnage and assumed that such

707
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: a thing had to be against law. It wasn't, and

708
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: when the Minnesota Law Enforcement put out a public statement

709
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: saying that the spears had done nothing illegal. Public rancor

710
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: shifted to the lawmakers, demanding that they quote stopped the slaughter.

711
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: Similar incidents have popped up recently in other parts of

712
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: the country as well, like the video of bow fishers

713
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma spearing and then tossing more than a thousand

714
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: guard overboard. That incident inspired Oklahoma DFW to propose a

715
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: new rule requiring bow fishers to keep all fish that

716
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: the arrow that ruled in pass due to strong pushback

717
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: from both fishers. So it pisces me off that we

718
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: now make management decisions about native fish is based on

719
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: who's yelling the loudest. Yeah, that's yeah, that's that's sort

720
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: of like the key thing here. It's like, it's great,

721
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: but look at why right right? The fact that politicians,

722
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: and this is true everywhere. Most people don't know this,

723
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: but politicians are in charge of setting laws and designations

724
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: for fish and wildlife, and that's a that's a huge

725
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 1: part of the problem. Biologists and management agencies should make

726
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: those decisions. They don't. Instead, it's elected officials trying to

727
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: play kate a generally uninformed public. But again, this is

728
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: a happy story. I'm not focusing on that I had

729
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: to point out. But this is a happy story. I'm

730
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: genuinely happy that guard will now be managed in Minnesota.

731
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: I do wish we've gotten there through fact based research

732
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: on population dynamics, which has existed for quite some time,

733
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: instead of people getting piste off over YouTube video and

734
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: yelling at their local representative. But I do hope that

735
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: this sectifies a broader shift on the horizon for how

736
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: we manage rough fish. Yeah, I mean I would like

737
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: to I would like to think that too. I mean

738
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: another thing that people don't know or think about with gar.

739
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: And again I might be talking out of school in

740
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: terms of the species in Minnesota and stuff, but I know,

741
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: like with alligator gar, the conditions have to be so

742
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: perfect for them to spawn. And then if you look

743
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: at the growth rates on these fish, it takes like

744
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: your lifetime to make a sixty pounder like they are,

745
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: just like they grow so incredibly slowly. So that alone,

746
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: just like seeing how careless people are with these fish

747
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: and how they'll just whack so many of them. I mean,

748
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: it's not like, you know, it's not like carp or

749
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: something that has a relatively quick turnaround like that species

750
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: in general, takes so long to mature, or that it

751
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: always made it a little bit worse. I I mean,

752
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: I would I would love to think this is a

753
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: step in the right direction. It is a step in

754
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: the right direction unless the limit is like, like you

755
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: know what, I'm hoping they're not going to do that.

756
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm hoping they're not gonna do that. The limits are

757
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: set by the commissioners, so those are not a political choice. Yeah,

758
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: but I do hear what you're saying. It's like, it's

759
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: it's it's a great thing, but it's happening because a

760
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: bunch of people that aren't even involved in in the

761
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: fishing world are just upset. I think a lot of

762
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: things are happening for that reason these days, you know. So, um,

763
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: that's good though. Actually a few of my buddies from

764
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: Minnesota sent this along and we're like, hey man, this

765
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: is like, this is some really good stuff happening up

766
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: here now. My My second story is about a YouTube video,

767
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: and it's a terrible it's terrible story. I just couldn't

768
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: leave it alone, mostly mostly because it gives it gives

769
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: us a reason to discuss things that were funny when

770
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: we were kids, that have kind of run their course,

771
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: right if that makes sense or it will make sense. Um.

772
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: But this comes from from loudwire dot com, which is

773
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: actually a pretty good music news site. I think it's

774
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: our first story ever from from Loudwire. Um. The headline

775
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: of this one is Jackass Forever guest star rushed to

776
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: hospital after shark attack. So I guess there is another

777
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: Jackass movie coming out, right, and it's it's it's getting

778
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: it's getting to be a little fast and furious. You

779
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like enough a right, I mean,

780
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: what else have they got? Okay? But look what I

781
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: what I gather, uh, is this this is a joint

782
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: effort to film parts of the movie and use some

783
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: of what they're filming to also promote the movie during

784
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: Shark Week, which is another thing similar to Jackass that

785
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: I believe has run its course and gone to hell

786
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: like Shark Week, just I think sucks for the last

787
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: ten years or so. Um. But the Jackass boys took

788
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: to the High Seas with quote extended cast member Sean

789
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: Poopy's McInnerny. Now, right off the bat, I really love

790
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: the extended cast member idea because it's like, duh, yeah,

791
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: I know, but It's also like the original Jackass members

792
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: are older than us, Like you have to have extended

793
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: cast members in their old men like dude Johnny Knoxville

794
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: popped up in the video and question for a hot minute.

795
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: Dude looks like freaking lou Reid. Like his hair is

796
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: like pure white. It's like, you know, damn John not

797
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: letting cops shoot sandbags out of a pump shotgun at

798
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: you anymore, you know what I mean? I didn't see

799
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: the story and I did see that video. Remember when

800
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: he did that movie Bad Grandpa. Yeah, he looks worse

801
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: character he Bad Grandpa, Like what happened? But I'm like,

802
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, but you look so so. Poopies is app

803
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: It's what he calls himself. I'm going with it. Poop

804
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: Poopies is apparently a famous surfer, and what he was

805
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: supposed to do in this video was be pulled by

806
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: a jet ski on a wakeboard to a jump that

807
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: was floating out there in the water and launch, hit

808
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: the jump and launch over a school of what looked

809
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: like reef sharks. And to me, they looked like all

810
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: worked up, like maybe they had been baited to get

811
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: them all chewy and fired up. Well, definitely they were agitated. Well,

812
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: Poopies hits the jump and crash lands into the school

813
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: of sharks and everyone is laughing and hooting and have

814
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: a wonderful time until his shark literally like launches at

815
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: him on the surface and grabs his hand. And then

816
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: the music and the video gets very dramatic. People are

817
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: screaming for medical bags and turniquets and they jump in,

818
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: you know, to save the dude. Um. Now, Poppies got

819
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: stitched up, though they did have to like reconnect some arteries.

820
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: It was a pretty good bite on his hand, But

821
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: Poopies is fine. But I'm about to say something that

822
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: will make some people think less of me, But I'm

823
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: already going to hell for much worse, so I don't

824
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: really care. Okay, I think this was like the funniest

825
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: Jackass video I've ever seen, and I think that it

826
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: it speaks to maturity level, believe it or not. And

827
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: hear me out. Like when I was much younger in

828
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 1: high school and college, I thought Jackass was as funny

829
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: as everyone else did. And I think, like, you know,

830
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: people like my age identified with those guys when we

831
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: were kind of the same age, and like kind of

832
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: like those guys in our party phase. And now I

833
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: look at this and the twist they're going for here

834
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: is that like Jackass turned serious, Like, guys, this is serious. Now,

835
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: no one's laughing. This is Jackass doing serious. But like

836
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: it's poor young Poppies out there getting his hand showed off.

837
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: Chris Pontius and Steve oh Or bone dry on the

838
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: boat drinking a white claw and pontificating about the situation,

839
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: like listen to this, listen to this insight. I mean,

840
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: this is only one bite in one spot, okay, and

841
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: he's not missing anything. It's a reminder that, yeah, like

842
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: we are pushing it pretty hard and this could all.

843
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: This could happen. Of course, it's either like everything's okay

844
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: or this happens. Like my point is, My point is

845
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: like had Poppies successfully jumped to the school of Sharks,

846
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 1: I would have been like lame, like who cares anymore?

847
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: Like so what, like you guys are literally jumping the shark,

848
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: which I'm betting this whole stunt was was a play

849
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: on the famous jump the sharks, saying it was you

850
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: didn't see that happen He's wearing Oh I didn't see

851
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: the phones. Jack Okay, so there he goes to jump

852
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: the shark, but eighteen year old me would have been

853
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: in the cafeteria like you guys see poopies jump those sharks,

854
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: and older, more cynical me, like I get more enjoyment

855
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: out of ship going wrong than right. And I'm sorry again,

856
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: but like that shark hits him and I chuckled because

857
00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: they're all like, yeah, poppies and then shark to cold

858
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: cocks and they're like, oh no, and like I laughed,

859
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm terrible. You guys should watch this video anyway.

860
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: The thing for me was watching Pontius and Stevo trying

861
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: to be serious and mature about it and it just

862
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: doesn't work. I mean, those guys, that's not what they do.

863
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: They they're good at being jackasses. They made a career

864
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: out of it. But then trying to be like the

865
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: the very serious, you know, like deep thinking, let's talk

866
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: about the implications of our choices. That doesn't work for them.

867
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: That's not who they are. Dude. And Stevo went on

868
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: a whole rant about how in the early days of

869
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: Jackass he made like four dollars and seventy five cents

870
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: on beating the crap out of himself. And this whole

871
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: thing ends with Poopies demanding more money, and I hope

872
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: he gets it too, you know, maybe and maybe a

873
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: new nickname, Bloody Bloody Shark Space, blood Bloody Poopies. We've

874
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: all had that. Really, that that totally ruins any chance

875
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 1: I have it a segue here in oh S contunely

876
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: with that, I I'm gonna move from well, from from

877
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: one cartilaginous fish that will bite off Poopy's hand to

878
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: another cartilaginous fish that won't because it doesn't have teeth.

879
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: And I'm sticking with my theme of good news for

880
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: ancient fishes in North America. We're gonna we're gonna roll

881
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: with that. Okay. A field crew from the U. S.

882
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: Geological Surveys Tunnis and Laboratory of Aquatic Science neddad a

883
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: sixty one in nearly seventy pound female lake sturgeon migrating

884
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: up New York's Lower Genesee River to spawn. This is

885
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: the first documented lake sturgeon spawning in the Genesee River

886
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: in over fifty years. I'm familiar with the Genesee River, Okay.

887
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: Fascinating did not hit my radar by the way. So

888
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm all ears here. And as you know, the

889
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: Lower Genesee runs bright smack through the heart of downtown Rochester,

890
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: not known as the most prestige of environments, isn't before

891
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: it dumps into Lake Ontario, And that area was designated

892
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: as an Area of Concern by the New York Department

893
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: of Environmental Conservation, meaning quote the chemical, physical, or biological

894
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: components of the area's ecosystem are degraded as a result

895
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: of local human activities. In other words, it was all

896
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: messed up and polluted, and the sturgeon couldn't live there.

897
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: So for decades, the d e C worked with regulatory

898
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: partners at the U s G, s U S Fish

899
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: and Wildlife Service, the e p A, as well as

900
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: Monroe County Department of Health to improve water quality and

901
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: restore habitat in that Rochester area of concern. The d

902
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: e C began stocking Lake sturgeon in two thousand three

903
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: and estimated that the females would reach spawning age in

904
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: seventeen to eighteen years. Well, here we are eighteen years

905
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: in and the first recorded surgeon has returned to the river.

906
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: Fish was measured, weighed, and then put back to hopefully

907
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: find a may and produce some wild offspring. A sturgeon

908
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: returning to the Genesee signifies that all the work that

909
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: has gone into cleaning up the river and improved habitat

910
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: is paying dividends. And you know, I gotta say, I

911
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: think it portends well for the species possible recovery there.

912
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: And this is also part of something you're aware of. It.

913
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 1: It's a larger trend of increasing lake sturgeon numbers across

914
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: New York State, which has been a priority for the

915
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: DC for more than twenty years. They've really put a

916
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: lot of effort into this. This is one of those

917
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: examples and frankly a rare example of varied interests, like

918
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: different agencies coming together towards a common goal. You had,

919
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: you had all those different agencies that I mentioned, You

920
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: had industry, you had fisheries managers, and also anglers have

921
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: come together and have both made efforts and concessions in

922
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: order to get here. The New York d C is

923
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: reminding anglers that the lake sturgeon are starting to come back.

924
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: There's still listed as threatened. Intensively fishing for sturgeon remains illegal.

925
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: Don't get too excited and accidentally hooked fish should be

926
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: kept in the water and released immediately. They also asked

927
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: that anglers who incidentally catch a sturgeon just moved to

928
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: a different spot, like their sturgeon there goes somewhere else. Yeah. Yeah,

929
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: that seems like a small ask to me, because if

930
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: this continues to work, like we might be able to

931
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: intentionally fish for lake sturgeon in New York in the

932
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: foreseeable future, your son, our lifetime. Yeah, your son might

933
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: be able to do a sturgeon fishing close to home

934
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: and all of that, I gotta say, it just makes

935
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: me genuinely happy. Yeah, now, dude, that's that's amazing. And

936
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: and there's actually so I've seen um at the mouth

937
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: of Niagara River in Lake Ontario. I've seen crews out

938
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: there like doing netting surveys and things like that on

939
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: the sturgeon. I know they put a ton of work

940
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: into this um. But if the if that river is

941
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,479
Speaker 1: cleaning up enough to make that viable, to make that

942
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 1: that return happen and slowly build on something there, It's

943
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: got some pretty cool implications even beyond the sturgeon. Because

944
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 1: you gotta remember the genesee and Rochester in the heart

945
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: of that Great Lakes steel and salmon country. There's a

946
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: ton of rivers up there that get a ton of

947
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: pressure and you know, boost the economy and bring a

948
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: lot of people in. Nobody ever talks about the Genesee. Now,

949
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: there's probably some guys listen who are like, please stop

950
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: talking about it might be like a super sleeper, but

951
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: you've got this pretty big river there that could accommodate

952
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: a lot of anglers and a lot of fish right

953
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 1: in the heart of all this, and it's I've always

954
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: just heard it's too dirty. They don't or they get

955
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, a couple but it's they don't get the

956
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: kind of runs that the nearby rivers get. So I mean,

957
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: what a great turnaround that would be if this is

958
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: sort of also speaking to to that cleanliness. I'd be

959
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: curious to see if like there's more natural push of

960
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: the implanted salmon and steelhead moving into that river now too.

961
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: I'd certainly like to think that that that's going to

962
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: be one of the by products of this, Like if

963
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: that ecosystem is clean enough that a sturgeon can come back,

964
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: that that bodes well. But the other thing that we

965
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: don't know yet, right. We know the female sturgeon was

966
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: to mature and come back up river. We know she's

967
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: trying to spawn, right, we don't yet know if conditions

968
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: have improved enough that that they'll successfully spawn and that

969
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: the eggs will hatch and all that. And I think

970
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: once we get to that point, then then we can

971
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: stay with a little more confidence that there's been a

972
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: major rebound and other species might follow suit. Sure, and

973
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: that's what they really need to see. I would imagine

974
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: for us to have any hope of a sturgeon fishing season. Yeah, yeah,

975
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: I think that's right. You need you need consistent natural

976
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: reproduction and then you know the offish will take care

977
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: of themselves if we let them. Well, dude, I love

978
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: a good urban fishery, so I like I wish. I

979
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: wish nothing but the best for for the Genesee and

980
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 1: to all our listeners in the Rochester area I love.

981
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm a big Genesee beer fan like Jenny cream Ale

982
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: like that does not get enough respect. I have a

983
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: Jenny beer sign hanging in my office. Uh So, I hope,

984
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: I hope that all works out and gives me more

985
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: reason to come up there and drink it. Like in

986
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: its native land. I've never had a Jenny creem ail

987
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: in Rochester, so uh, you know, hopefully it could be good.

988
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: So um, I guess as soon as we're gonna go

989
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 1: to Phil, Phil is gonna decide if he prefers healthy

990
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: guar populations or healthy poopies. And then as as soon

991
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: as you're done here and from Phil, when he declares

992
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: a winner, we're gonna do a little trivia with a

993
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: pretty famous friend of ours who could probably recommend a

994
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: really great fly pattern for the Genesee River. Alright, guys,

995
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: I am having some trouble deciding who the winner is

996
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: this week, so I've decided to come up with a

997
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: little metric. I am going to choose a word, just

998
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 1: completely at random. Whoever said the word the fewest number

999
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: of times during the fish News segment will be the winner. Yeah,

1000
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: I know it's kind of counterintuitive, but let's see how

1001
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: you guys did. Miles, how many times did you say

1002
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:53,959
Speaker 1: the word? Wow? Miles only said the word poopies one time. Joe,

1003
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough to beat. How'd you do poopies? Poopies,

1004
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 1: poop poopies, Well, poopies, poopies got stitched up poopies is fine.

1005
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: Poor young poopies out there. Poopies. You guys see poopies

1006
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: jump those sharks. Yeah, poopies, poopies demanding more money. Healthy poopies,

1007
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 1: bloody poopies. We've all had them. Oh, by my account,

1008
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: that was thirteen and a half times. I'm sorry, Joe,

1009
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: but it looks like Miles is the winner this week. Congratulations.

1010
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: You've gotta be highly skilled for these shows. You understand that,

1011
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: I do under Are you well versed? They? Are you?

1012
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: Very smart? Man? Half all right? Playing trivia today? Our

1013
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: dear friend, I'm sure you know him, Mr Tom Rosenbauer

1014
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: of or of his fame. What is going on? Tom? Hey, Joe,

1015
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 1: how you doing? We're good man, Uh so happy to

1016
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: have you here. Uh. And I mean, look, you're the

1017
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: author of countless books about fly fishing, host the Orvis podcast.

1018
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: You'd like a new media mogul, right, So we we

1019
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,919
Speaker 1: try to tailor our questions to what we know about

1020
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: our guests. And I mean, basically like you invented fly fishing, right,

1021
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm not certain there's a fly fishing related

1022
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: question that would actually stump you and trivia, But we're

1023
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: gonna try, so we'll we'll see how this goes. Oh,

1024
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: just wait for my second question. Um, but listen, considering

1025
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: the first time that that you and I fished together,

1026
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: I couldn't find you for the first hour because you

1027
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: were out on a river island taking macro shots of bugs.

1028
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: This first question should not throw you because you know

1029
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: your bugs. But we'll see. So. Uh, here's question number one.

1030
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: Are you ready to play? Are you mentally there? Yeah? Okay, great?

1031
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: All right. So there are more than three thousand species

1032
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: of may flies known worldwide, and for the most part,

1033
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: most people just call the whole lot of them may flies. However,

1034
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: in certain places, may flies as a collective are known

1035
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: by other names. So which of the following is not

1036
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: an alternative name for those three thousand plus mayflies? Is it?

1037
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: Is it A shad flies, b up winged flies, see

1038
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: fish flies or D spring flies? Fish flies? You're jumping

1039
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: to fish flies? Oh? Man, no, it's the fake one.

1040
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: There is D spring flies. Really, So, according according to

1041
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: my research, the Canadians often refer to may flies as

1042
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: shad flies or fish flies, and the Brits have been

1043
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: known to refer to them as upwing flies. Oh god,

1044
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: I don't win it, don't I don't win the car.

1045
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: The car kind of money you think we have here,

1046
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: It's just gonna send you a dozen fish fliesus. Apparently,

1047
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,959
Speaker 1: apparently Joe didn't fill you in on this. You can't

1048
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: win anything, you can only lose dignity. Yeah, yeah, that's

1049
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: how that's how this works. So, man, I figured in

1050
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: one of the books you would have run through all

1051
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: the weirdo names for mayfly is at some point not

1052
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: really a bug guy, despite the fact that I was

1053
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: taking macro shots. I think I was looking on a

1054
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: book or something. You were. You were working on a book,

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00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: all right, So speaking of books, Um, your book, The

1056
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: Orvis Fly Fishing Guide is hailed as somewhat of a

1057
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: bible in this sport, and I hope I'm correct and

1058
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: that it was released in nineteen eighty four. Do I

1059
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: have that right? Okay, so it's been around. I was

1060
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: two years old when it was released, so talking about

1061
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: feeling okay, So anyway, eighty four, Man, that was a

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00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: big year for you. But it was a big year

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00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: for a certain band as well. So I want to

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00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: know which of the following was Billboards number one rock

1065
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: song in Night four? Was it a Ario Speedwagons? I

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00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: can't fight this feeling anymore. Be foreigners. I want to

1067
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: know what love is. See Kenny Logan's foot Loose or

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00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: d Van Helen's Jump. Um, you know, the eighties was

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00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 1: as far as I'm sorting, a dead zone for but're

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00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: not wrong. Um yeah, it was the last decade. I figured. Look,

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00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: I've seen you get a tattoo on the floor at

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00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: a fly show in Jersey, so I know you've got

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00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of metal in you, man, I know

1074
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: you got you got a little bit of rock and roll. Tom,

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00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: I would say, what was the second one? So it's uh,

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00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: Ario Speedwagons. I can't fight this feeling. Foreigners. I want

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00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 1: to know what love is, Kenny Logan's foot Looser, Van

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00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: Halen's Jump. I'm gonna go with foreigner. Damn, that's correct.

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00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: The number one was foreigners. I want to know what

1080
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: love is? So I do get the car you get? Yeah,

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00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: you get, you get right that one, or you can

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00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: choose any car in any Foreigner music video. So you

1083
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: gotta go on YouTube and we'll we'll track it down

1084
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: for you. But damn, Tom Rosenbauer misses the Mayfly question.

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00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: Here's the foreigner that's just made my day. Just so,

1086
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: just so you know, the the number one overall song

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00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: that year was when Doves Cry. So Tom thanks for

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00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: playing respect on the Foreigner, answered my friend. Well, thank you,

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00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 1: Joe and Miles. Hey, speaking foreigners, We're gonna close out

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01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: this week's show with our very good Canadian buddy Jay

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01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: siemens uh and and and we're gonna kick a side

1092
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: end of the line this week for a tackle hack um.

1093
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: And this is the perfect closing tip in my opinion,

1094
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: because it ties pardon the pun, back to braided line

1095
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: and getting the biggest bang for your buck when you

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01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: splurge on that premium braided line. No that that that's valid.

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01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to guess that the die hard anglers who

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01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: know about braid are aware of this trick. But I'm

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01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: also gonna guess that there's a decent number of you

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01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: that don't know this. And I will actually go as

1101
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: far as to say this is one of the best

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01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: budget friendly fishing tips. I know it does take a

1103
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: little effort you have to put in some time, but

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01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: it's it's worth it, and I think Ja did a

1105
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: very good job of adding a little bonus, no edge

1106
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: on why proper line spooling is so critical. I'm getting

1107
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: hats from inside the city. Hi, the flood. It's time

1108
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: for that part of the show where we might actually

1109
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: teach you something useful for fishing. Every once in a

1110
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: while we give you something that you might actually use

1111
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: to help catch fisher or deal with gear. We got

1112
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: our good friend Jay Siemens back to give us a

1113
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: tackle hack and uh and I think Jay's got a

1114
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: pretty good one that might actually save you some money. Jay,

1115
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: what you got for us today? Man, Well, I heard

1116
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: that fishing line is going to be the new toilet paper,

1117
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: the same thing. Yeah, I think I think that's totally accurate. Yeah, So,

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01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: I mean a braided line isn't cheap. You're spending whatever

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01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: twenty bucks on the school. So the thing is, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys Joe. Joe was saying

1121
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: that he can cast his entire reel off in one cast.

1122
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: But typically typically you're casting, you know, only a quarter

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01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: of your spool out on on your typical cast. So

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01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the year, your your line in

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01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: the first the first quarter is you know, it's a

1126
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: little more afraid, it's a little more worn. So instead

1127
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: of just throwing out the entire spool, what I like

1128
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: to do is I'll transferred off onto an empty school,

1129
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: transferred off a second time to reverse it, and then

1130
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: you put it back on your reel. So essentially it's

1131
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: a it's a brand new school line until you get

1132
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: right to the end. Then you're actually getting to the

1133
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: stuff that's worn from the year before. So you might

1134
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: be able to get like two seasons, three seasons out

1135
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 1: of your braided line. That's a good one. You have

1136
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: an extra step that I have not done in there

1137
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: before though, because I've used this trick before, I've always

1138
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: just gone, like, you need a second reel for this,

1139
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: But I've always just gone reel to reel, but real

1140
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: to spool to spool to reel. If you want to

1141
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: keep if you want to keep it on the same real,

1142
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: if you want to switch it to another reel, then

1143
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: then doing that as well works. Yeah. Yeah, Jay is

1144
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: doing it properly and like with proper care and time

1145
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: to literally to actually reverse the line on the reel

1146
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: he needs it for whereas I am lazy and I'm like,

1147
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: well that one over there needs new lines, So this

1148
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: I can do this now, like only under those are

1149
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,439
Speaker 1: close enough that I can transfer line, and I don't

1150
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: want to go through those two extra steps, so I'm

1151
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: gonna do it this way. Yeah, you're doing it the

1152
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: right way. Jay and Joe and I are lazy. Well,

1153
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: one of the one other thing that helps a lot

1154
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: is just having a cheap spool of monofilment and then

1155
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: also filling your school up, Like I'll put that down

1156
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: at the bottom first and fill it up maybe a

1157
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: quarter of the way and then and then you're filling

1158
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: it right to the edge, because I see so many

1159
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: people that fill it maybe halfway of their school and

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01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: you're real doesn't perform as well, it doesn't cast as

1161
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: easily when you're actually cranking the handle. It Maybe it's

1162
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: supposed to crank six inches a line, but when it's

1163
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: half the diameter, it's only cranking half that, right, So

1164
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: filling your schools is so important right to the edge.

1165
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: It's funny, excit. Remember when braid first came out, right,

1166
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: everybody recommended that you had to put a bed of

1167
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: mono down first because it needed something to bite into

1168
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: aside from filling your spool. And now reels technically don't anymore.

1169
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: They have the rubber gaskets on them, and they're all

1170
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: supposed to be braid ready. I never got away from that.

1171
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: Even if it's a braid ready reel, I never fill

1172
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: the entire school with braid. There's always some level mono

1173
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: backing on their well and then you might get you

1174
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: might get two reels out of it, right if you're

1175
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: using a little bit of model, you never need that

1176
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: much line unless you're catching sharks or something. But you

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01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: know which I also do, so I cast all my

1178
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: line and then I catch sharks everywhere. My name is

1179
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: joisph Melli. That's like triple triple tackle hack in one

1180
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: and and I'm going to reiterate that for those out there,

1181
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: you really do gotta fill your big castor spools all

1182
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: the way to the edge if you want them to

1183
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: perform the way that they should. Just like u J,

1184
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: I see a lot of people who make that mistake

1185
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: and then they wonder why they can't cast the distance

1186
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: they want, why they can't retrieve the way it's supposed to.

1187
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: It absolutely matters the performance of your reel. So good

1188
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: stuff there, guys. Hopefully that's useful as all of you

1189
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: are trying to find lines somewhere in the barren waste

1190
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: land of tackle that we live in. Now, Dude, for

1191
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: the last few weeks, every time I see three yards

1192
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:57,479
Speaker 1: of braid in the Walmart, I buy it. So that's

1193
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: it for this week. If you're trying to figure out

1194
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: where to invest at ten bucks, you just want after

1195
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: spending forty bucks on the scratch offs, we might suggest

1196
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: you put it towards a first edition of Captain Dennis's

1197
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: The Amazing Collapse. Will pontoon boat. Maybe pick up some

1198
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: braid you found somewhere other than the wish app perhaps

1199
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: by a copy of Princess Purple ran on vinyl, or

1200
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: dumpster dive a whole collection of empty tippet spools, refill

1201
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: them and sell them outside Cabela's as top of the

1202
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: line floor carbon fly fishing tippet. That's a good idea

1203
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: I might do that. You can also put it towards

1204
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: some fish eating fish merch at the managing store. Looks

1205
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: good on you, It looks good just saying. Another thing

1206
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: you could do is, uh, you know, send us an

1207
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: awkward photo, a bar nomination, a sale bin item, maybe

1208
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: a fish news anything you think we might be able

1209
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: to use on the show. Just send it to Bent

1210
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: at the meat Eater dot com. YEP, that is one

1211
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: way to get swagged from us. The other, of course,

1212
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: is tagging all your Insta stuff de generate Angler and

1213
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 1: Bent Podcast. If we repost anything of yours, Billy has

1214
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: got a few stickers with your name on them. And finally,

1215
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: if you're going to build a porta pontoon out of

1216
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: what you already have at the house, remember to remove

1217
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: the sweaters and the Christmas decorations from those were ever

1218
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: made tubs before you ductape them together. M