1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in hour number two, Monday edition 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: of the program. Appreciate all of you hanging out with 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: us as we roll through the program. Buck, I just 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: tweeted this out front page Monday edition New York Times 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: absolutely savages Kamala Harris, and we had a story from 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: the Washington Post. I believe it was last week that 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: did the same. And what I will just posit for 9 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: everyone out there is when your propaganda outlets, the New 10 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: York Times and the Washington Post, which are effectively mouthpieces 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: for the Democrat Party, when they are coming out and 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: completely and totally destroying the Vice President of the United 13 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: States in a front page article in each newspaper, it 14 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: is pretty abilitating for Kamala Harris. Now, I wanted to 15 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: read for you, Buck, a couple of a couple of 16 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: the quotes that were out there in this piece on 17 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris and let you kind of think about this. 18 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: This is in the New York Times front page article 19 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: on Kamala Harris today. The painful reality for miss Harris 20 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: is that in private conversations over the last few months, 21 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: dozens of Democrats in the White House, on Capitol Hill 22 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: and around the nation, including some who helped put her 23 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: on the party's twenty twenty ticket, said she had not 24 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: risen to the challenge of proving herself as a future 25 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: leader of the party, much less the country. Even some 26 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: Democrats whom her own advisers referred reporters too for supportive quotes, 27 00:01:54,360 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: confided privately they had lost hope in her. Through much 28 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: of the fall, a quiet panic set in among key 29 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: Democrats about what would happen if President Biden opted not 30 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 1: to run for a second term. Most Democrats interviewed who 31 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: existed who insisted on anonymity to avoid alienating the White House, 32 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: said flatly they did not think miss Harris could win 33 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: the presidency in twenty twenty four. Some even said the 34 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: party's biggest challenge would be finding a way to sideline 35 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: her without inflaming key Democratic constituencies that would take offense 36 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: Buck That is a flamethrower on Kamala Harris from The 37 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: New York Times. It's the analysis that we've been giving 38 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: here for a long time now, which is they got 39 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: a problem in this Democrat party. It also goes to 40 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: why I have believed all along, and I know you 41 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: now agree, and this could also shift for both of 42 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 1: us depending on events and how it all goes. Right. 43 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: Remember Trump was going to get an aid and that 44 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: was the whole plan with the documents, and then they 45 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: found a bunch of classified documents at Biden. So even 46 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: if it was the plan to indict Trump, events can 47 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: change where everything is going. But I think it's been 48 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: clear for a while that because and and you can 49 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: see Clay in this New York Times piece, there's it's 50 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: the it's dripping with frustration right there. There's this sense of, 51 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: h come on, we wanted Kamala to be a better 52 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 1: vice president than she's been. Uh. And and they're they're 53 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: airing this out. I do wonder why, like what the 54 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: New York Times always does things like this for a purpose. 55 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: Maybe they're just throwing a tantrum over it, but there 56 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: perhaps is a longer term political goal that you'd have 57 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: to look at here. But this is why all along 58 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: I've thought it has to be Biden, because when you 59 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: wargain this out, you know, when you look at how 60 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: the different pathways this could go, Biden not running again 61 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: means there's an expectation that the vice president. Remember, he's 62 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: a sitting president, so the it's not like he's finished 63 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: his two terms and oh, let's have a primary and 64 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: see Biden stepping down and not running and not taking 65 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: advantage of the incumbency, and it not being commula to 66 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: the point being made here in the New York Times. 67 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: You know, the single most reliable Democrat constituency in the 68 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: country is black female voters. Yeah, they're the most they 69 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: are from an electoral perspective. They're the beating heart, They're 70 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: they're the center of the base of the Democrat Party. 71 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: Black female voters the first opportunity, real opportunity, the Democrat 72 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: Party has to elevate the first black female president, and 73 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: they push her aside for smooth talking slimeball Gavin Newsom. 74 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I just think that that's too 75 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: I don't think they could come up with with smooth 76 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: enough propaganda to explain that internally in the Democrat Party 77 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: without without a complete blowing up in their faces. I 78 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: just I don't see it. I think you're right. As 79 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: bad as Joe Biden's approval ratings are, as this article states, 80 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris's approval ratings are worse. But this sentence. I 81 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: just can't get over how out of touch even are 82 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris's advisors. Even some Democrats whom her own advisers 83 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: referred reporters to for supportive quotes, confided privately they had 84 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: lost hope in her. In the New York Times. I mean, 85 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: we're not talking about, you know, Bright Bart writing a 86 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: takedown piece of Kamala Harris. This is what should be 87 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: the base of Kamala Harris's support of viscerating her. Now now, 88 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: I think maybe a helpful way to look at this 89 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: is to understand the same way that when people people 90 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: ask me about the CIA, Clay and I say, you've 91 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: got to think of the CIA the way you'd think 92 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: of like a big States school. It's ask what's it 93 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: like or who's there? Well, are we talking about athlete? 94 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: It's a math majors? Are we talking about everything? You know? 95 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: It's so big. It's so big that it's just this 96 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: massive entity. And I think when you look at an administration, 97 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: we often have this view of, oh, it's the administration. 98 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: Now in a policy sense, there's some truth that obviously, 99 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: and I'll talk about the apparatus, all the little bureaucracies 100 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: and agencies and individuals at the top pushing forward an agenda. 101 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: But within each administration, Republican or Democrat, there are fiefdoms. 102 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: There are little little kingdoms within the kingdom, and there 103 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: are people who are working in those who for that 104 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: this is a professional choice they have made, meaning this 105 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: their own careerism comes into play. A president a vice president, 106 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: You go to the vice president's office, you work on 107 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: the vice president's staff. Why so that generally speaking, you're 108 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: gonna move on and work in a future White House? Directly, 109 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 1: people generally don't want to know. The vice president's staff 110 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: is a means to an end for a lot of people. Professionally, 111 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: you do that so that you're on the launch pad 112 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: for the other, you know, the other bigger job. You 113 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: know that you can you go from being the key 114 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: aid to the vice president to maybe a deputy White 115 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: House chief of staff or maybe you know, something like that. 116 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: And so I think that a lot of the people 117 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: who were promised, oh, go work for Kamala, you know, 118 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: working for Kamala's gonna be amazing and maybe maybe she's 119 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: going to be the next president, are just bitter. I 120 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: really think they're they're individually bitter about the professional choice 121 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: that they have made because she's not going to be 122 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: their ticket to the next big job. That's a good analysis. 123 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: Let me also blow your mind here. You're a history guy. 124 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: I was doing research on this in the last hundred years, 125 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: how many two term presidents have been succeeded by their 126 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: vice president? Because a lot of times out there, to 127 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: let me kind of set the context here again, so 128 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: many people out there say, you know, the vice president's 129 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: a heartbeat away. How often has it been the case 130 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: in the last hundred years in America that you have 131 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: a two term serving president who was then succeeded by 132 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: his vice president for his own term? Oh man, once 133 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: is the answer. Ah good, Jock always delivers. George Bush 134 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: Senior followed Ronald Reagan, and you know, you tried to 135 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: have it even recently, Al Gore, I was trying to 136 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: follow Clinton and and you certainly had you know, a 137 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: situation Obama was not did not pick his vice president, 138 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: and now vice president has ended up in the office. 139 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: But the point is that catbird seat for the vice president, 140 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: This idea that you're going to catapult in if there's 141 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: not a death or if there is not a debilitating 142 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: action that takes place to elevate you from the vice president. 143 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy to think about, right, Well, it's fascinating 144 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: when you see what happened with you know, the current president, 145 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: Biden was not able to leverage two terms as the 146 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: vice president to being the guy for the Democrats. We 147 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: all remember twenty sixteen, We all remember what happened. So 148 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: you really have a political rule here that being vice 149 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: president means you're on deck during your party's presidency. It 150 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: does not mean you are on deck in any meaningful 151 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: way after you know, a one or a two term presidency. 152 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: So you asked, what are they getting at? And I 153 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: think that's such the important question here. When when the 154 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: New York Times and the Washington Post Post are both 155 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: savaging Kamala. First of all, I think there is now 156 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: a clear unless Joe Biden basically has a debilitating health 157 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: attack in some point, it's running and there's not even 158 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: going to be a significant challenger. But I think what 159 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: they're already working towards is Kamala not as the face 160 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: of the party. Right, so Biden wins in twenty four, 161 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: immediately the spin becomes there's no incumbent president. What's going 162 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: to happen in twenty eight. As bad as Mayor Pete 163 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: has been, he hasn't gotten savage like Kamala Harris in 164 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: the press, as bad as Joe Biden has been. Kamala 165 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: Harris actually gotten savaged, I think worse than Joe Biden 166 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: in the press. Of anybody out there. She has the 167 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: lowest approval rating and the most savage redirected towards her. 168 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: I think it's because she's the next man up and 169 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: they're trying to ender and well. I also think that 170 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: there's the same way that there's bitterness from the staffers 171 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: around Kamala who went to work for her because they thought, 172 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: you know, that this was the law, and maybe it 173 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: still is for some of them. They'll work for a Buiden, 174 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: you know, term two or something. But you know, as 175 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, in politics, you really attach yourself to the politician. Yeah, 176 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: and that people are picking teams when you when you 177 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: pick a politician, you are picking a team. Certainly true 178 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: when you're talking about a general election or a primary. 179 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: But but even within an administration, you know, the people 180 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: that work for Nicky Hailey for example, when she was 181 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: at you know, US when she was US Ambassador the 182 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: United Nations under Trump. Those the people that if when 183 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: she's running, you know, to try to be president for 184 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: the Republican side, are going to be around her. And 185 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: you know, we all understand how that works. I think 186 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: that there are a lot of journalistic like because Kamala 187 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: was the candidate of the CNN green room and elite journals. 188 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: She was the Jeff Zucker candidate. She was the if 189 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: you were somebody in LA or New York with a 190 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: lot of money and a lot of connections in media, 191 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: Kamala was someone that you were really in favor. It 192 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: wasn't Biden. It wasn't Biden really on Kamala was you know, Jeff. 193 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: I think Zucker, by the way, he was the president 194 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: of CNN before he completely destroyed that media entity such 195 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: that will never recover. He threw fundraisers for her. I 196 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: mean it was that level of that. You know when 197 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: I say, I'm not just theorizing that she was his candidate, 198 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: she was his candidate, yes, um and uh and you 199 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: know or he had attended fundraisers for her. But anyway, 200 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: I think that there are journals who are also who 201 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: felt like they they carried her to the role of 202 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: vice president and there in a little virtual because they're disappointed, 203 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: because they feel like their personal brands. They did all 204 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: this to put Kamalo in this position and she hasn't 205 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: delivered in a way that reflects poorly on them at 206 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: some level. I'm just that's what I see here, because 207 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: when you have the New York Times and a bunch 208 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: of anonymous staffers trashing the vice president, not the only other, 209 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: only other thing for everybody to think about, is it 210 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: possible that Joe Biden could walk away from her as 211 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: his vice president? Because if you're getting her trash, remember 212 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: there was the talk about, hey, we're gonna put her 213 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: on the Supreme Court, will find another place to put her. 214 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: Is it possible that Joe Biden, because think about this, 215 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: her ineptitude is actually going to be a major story 216 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four because Biden's gonna be eighty two. 217 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: Like it's always a matter of who you if you're 218 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: the heartbeat away. But it's not crazy to think that 219 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: Biden from eighty two to eighty six, if he somehow 220 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: got dragged across the finish line weekend, that Bernie's two style, 221 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: she might really matter way more than any vice president 222 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: ever has before, just based on his age. Just tossing 223 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: it out there is this giving him a little space 224 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: to contemplate tossing her off the ticket. And then I assume, 225 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: given the Democrat parties realities, you'd be looking at a 226 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: replacement for on the ticket who is also, yes, a 227 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: black female vice president. I think that would have to be. 228 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: And so then we all there's there's a short list 229 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: of people that you that would come to mind. Maybe 230 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: maybe this is what happens. But I just think they 231 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: try to push Look what they did, Clay, I always 232 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: returned to this, what they did in twenty twenty was 233 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: reckless and crazy, and somehow the guy became president. And 234 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: I mean that Joe Biden was the nominee and they 235 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: pushed this doddering old fool forward that everybody knows. It's 236 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: not very smart, it's not very ethical, it's not very 237 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: accomplished in any meaningful way. 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I love you all. 273 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm trying to write back to as many as I can, 274 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: but it's it's been an overwhelming outpouring of sport. Thank 275 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: you for that. But I have some words of wisdom 276 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: here from Clay's own hometown, actually from Clay's home state 277 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: of Tennessee, from his city of Nashville. One of my 278 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: favorite comedians these days on the scene. And he doesn't curse. 279 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: It's not all you know, profane crazy stuff. It's you 280 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: can take your family to see him, anybody, take your grandparents, 281 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:11,479 Speaker 1: your kids. He's really funny. Is Nashville favorite Nate bargatsy 282 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: and he just had some words here and maybe think 283 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: of Clay, play it forty three, you still think you're young. 284 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: I have this jacket on and I hang out with 285 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: a twenty three year old and I'm like, you get 286 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: a dude, We're just a couple of young dudes kicking it. 287 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: Some guy will walk up, he's like, I'm forty five. 288 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, why don't you beat it, old man. I 289 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: can't believe that guy had the nerve to think he 290 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: was our age, right, dude, that's crazy. Let's go sit 291 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: down for a little bit. So so I'm forty one 292 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: and Clay's forty three or forty four. So this hit 293 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: home right away. I'm looking at the twenty something. I'm like, yeah, 294 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: you know, you're young like me, not like that old man. 295 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: Clay Travis Bargas. He's really really funny. It's a friend. 296 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: We're the exact same age from Nashville and grew up 297 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: in the time when for those of you out there 298 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: who have been to Nashville recently, but Nashville is like 299 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: Las Vegas now, you know, it's it's always on, it's 300 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: always crazy, and back in the day it was a 301 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: lot sleepier of a town and so uh it made 302 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: is really funny. But a lot of his jokes about 303 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: growing up literally are the experience that I had, right, Like, 304 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: I mean, it's very rare that you have somebody who's 305 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: also in media in some way. 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Go to my Patriot Supply dot com 330 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: before the next disaster strikes My Patriot Supply dot com. 331 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: Sleet Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines walking 332 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,239 Speaker 1: back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show appreciate all of 333 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: you hanging out with us. We've been talking about this 334 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: supplied balloon. We're actually scheduled to be joined by Chris Miller, 335 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: who served as acting Secretary of Defense under President Trump. 336 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: We'll see whether or not we track him down or not. 337 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: But Buck, here's what I wonder now, what would happen 338 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: if China sent another spy balloon? Right like, what if 339 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: they just basically say we have no respect at all 340 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: for you guys. You just shot down the one off 341 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: the coast of South Carolina, is the new precedent in 342 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: the Biden administration given what just happened that the moment 343 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: we've got him now, I'll ask him this question. We 344 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: appreciate being joined right now by Chris Miller. Served as 345 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: Acting Secretary of Defense under Trump, former Special Forces commander, 346 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: green beret, first of his generation to serve as a 347 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: cabinet official responsible for America in the security there and 348 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: he was also director of the National counter Terrorism Center. 349 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: So when you see this story about the balloon that 350 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: so captivated everybody on Friday, and you are told, oh, 351 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: this also happened under the Trump administration, what's your reaction? 352 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on you, guys. I'm really on 353 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: our unsinkable aircraft carry of free speech. At least it's 354 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: not a Chinese spy balloon. Thank good, kidd guy. You 355 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 1: guys got this right? Oh man, Yeah, I'm hearing all 356 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: this back and forth. I'm getting my phone's blowing up, like, hey, 357 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: did you know about these dog one spy balloons? I 358 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: can tell you definitively when I was Acting Secretary of Defense, 359 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: I spent three or four three years in the White 360 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: House and various capacities are the Pentagon never heard hide 361 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: or hair of it? Pretty sure I would have known 362 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: if that happened and the President wasn't informed. That's really 363 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: really bad. So I'm trying to get the story straight. 364 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: I can't get the story straight. Somebody needs to do it. 365 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: That's what you That's what you guys are going to do, right, 366 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: We're trying. But as part of the though, I'm wondering 367 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: if you could help to the degree you're you're allowed 368 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: illuminate this audience all across the country with what the 369 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: possible motivations as you see them from the Chinese side, 370 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: would be of flying this kind of a balloon. I 371 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: mean we hear surveillance, Okay, well what kind of surveillance? 372 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: And why why would the Chinese risk this kind of 373 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: diplomatic rift unless there was something substantial in it for them? 374 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: These are the questions that we're getting asked ever since 375 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: the story broke. Yeah, well, I mean, there you go. 376 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: You guys kind of hit it up early. Or is 377 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: this have we shown weakness and we showed our belly 378 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: to the Chinese because the Chinese Communist Party and military flights, 379 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: you know, fleets of aircraft or Taiwan every couple of 380 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 1: days and we don't do anything, and then you know, 381 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: with the debacle in Afghanistan or the Chinese, our questioning 382 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: our motivations. But you're here's what I wanted to say 383 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: of basing your question. You got me frequency hop in there, 384 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: because there's so much going on in my brain about 385 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: this right now. But you know, when you talk about 386 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: why would they do this? Probably my bet if they 387 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: ever recovered this, it was probably for electronic They were 388 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: trying to collect information on our radar systems and all 389 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: our electronic warfare stuff, and probably some sort of sensors 390 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: like that, So then they know what frequencies were on 391 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff, and then that can 392 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: help them plan, if they plan if they ever want 393 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: to attack. All right, So again, you say you never 394 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: heard anything about these Chinese spy balloons being in the 395 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, American airspace before. It doesn't seem like there 396 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: was a precedent established. But my first thought, and when 397 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: Buck and I were talking about it on Friday, is 398 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: when I hear Chinese spycraft entering into American airspace, my 399 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: first thought is we should immediately shoot it down, you know, 400 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: potentially in Alaska where by and large. There are lots 401 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: of areas that have no population to speak speak up. 402 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,120 Speaker 1: What do you think would happen now if they try 403 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: to enter United States airspace again? What should happen? And 404 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: do we think that Norad would know almost immediately if 405 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: this occurred again? How would you assess that, you guys, 406 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: what great questions. Yeah, I'm doing the same thing you did. 407 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, I can sort of read a map still, 408 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: It's been a few years since I actually was before 409 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: Campbell Kentucky having to carry one. But you're like, oh, 410 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: it flies over the illusions. There's a lot of space 411 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: in there to do something where they could have brought 412 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: it down. I'll give you if I could frequency hop 413 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: on you. Here's my issue. You know, we spent eight 414 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty billion dollars in this most exquisite military 415 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: in the history of the world, and we don't have 416 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: the capability to bring down, you know, say, like under 417 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: our control, this dog one spy balloon that's just kind 418 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: of drifted them along. I think that's a bigger issue 419 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: right there. But gosh darn, I think I think our 420 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: air defense radars have to be pretty fine tune now 421 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: looking for something to come in. Gosh darn, we can't. 422 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: We can't let this one happen again. And I mean 423 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: we just looked it's good content for Saturday Night Live. 424 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,959 Speaker 1: You guys know that the memes are great, but it's 425 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: kind of an embarrassment as an American, isn't it. We're 426 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: speaking of Chris Miller, who was a former Special Forces 427 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: commander and served as Acting Secretary of Defense under President 428 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Chris on the just for clarity sake here, 429 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: So when when those news reports came out that said 430 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: there were three balloon incursions under the Trump presidency, was 431 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: you said you to know about them? Do you think 432 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: that was just a lie? Or are they just lying 433 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: to try to cover for Biden's behind? Here? What's going on? 434 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: I can't keep up. It seems like the story changes 435 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: about every five minutes. Well, actually, we didn't know until 436 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: after the fact. It's this crazy copa esque sort of 437 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: description that I can't figure out. It looks like now 438 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: the Biden administration has recognized that, well, there could have 439 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: been some spy balloons come over, but we didn't know. 440 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: We the Trump administration didn't know till after the fact. 441 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: I didn't have any of that information, And I gotta 442 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: tell you, I'm pretty confident that the President Trump was 443 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: faced with that, he would have taken direct action. Right away. 444 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: We're talking to Chris Miller, acting Secretary of Defense under 445 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: President Trump. So going forward, you say, maybe they're trying 446 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: to gain some information on existing American American assets, that 447 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: was the reason that they would send this balloon across. 448 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: Also seems likely they would have known that it was 449 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: going to be discovered, given the fact the amount of 450 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: time that they spent in America, the fact that it 451 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: was actually just visible to the naked eye from the 452 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: ground in many different states. Did you have any fear 453 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: yourself that this might be booby trapped, equipped with some 454 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: sort of dangerous device inside. Could it have been a 455 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: test to allow that to happen in the future. How 456 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: would you assess, in other words, that the idea that 457 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: this is not just spycraft, but it could be in 458 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: years ahead, something that is used to actually deliver dangerous 459 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: consequences of a militaristic past and possibility going forward. Hey, 460 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: you guys remember right after the start of World War Two, 461 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: those fire blows the Japanese imperialists dropped on the fourth 462 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: So we talked about that Buck North pick it up. Yep, Yeah, 463 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: you guys, I knew you had. I knew you had. 464 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: You guys, you're all over this. I think that's really 465 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: in warfare. You're always probing the defenses of your adversaries, 466 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: either current or potential adversary, to find out what they 467 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: can get away with. I think your speculation has to 468 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: be taken seriously and has to be considered strongly on that. 469 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: And I also think, let's never you wonder if my 470 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: buddies were all texting me like, hey man, this is 471 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: a deception or this is like a shiny object, like 472 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: look over here while we're doing this when really doing 473 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: something somewhere else. I think we have to think about 474 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: that one too. I don't have any proof or no 475 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: one's called me on that, but we got to think 476 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: about that too. There was obviously a lot of attention. 477 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: One of the generals said that he expected China to 478 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: invade Taiwan. I think twenty twenty five was his prediction. 479 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: Do you think China will invade Taiwan? And if China 480 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: did invade Taiwan, how do you think the US military 481 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: would respond? Well? I know the United States military can 482 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: absolutely rip into them and tear their you know what 483 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: holds out without too much effort. The question is whether 484 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: we have the political will and our you know, I talk. 485 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: I can't tell what our policy is against Taiwan right now. 486 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: I told you earlier. They send all these planes and 487 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: drones and everything at Taiwan, or we don't do anything. 488 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: So I think if you're sitting in Chairmerji's position, you're like, man, 489 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: I wonder if I can I wonder if I can 490 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: get this done before the United States, you know, masses 491 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: their forces. So I don't know if it's twenty five, 492 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: and I know they must be thinking really strongly and 493 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: in Beijing about what to do next. Chris Miller, former 494 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: Acting Secretary of Defense, appreciate you being with us, sir, 495 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: Thanks for a calling in. Thanks unsinkable aircraft carry free speech, 496 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: you guys, Thanks for what you're doing. Yes, appreciate that, sir. 497 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: I'm going to keep that carrier moving. That's how we 498 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: do it. As you know, guys, I'm really dedicated to 499 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: this cause, the preborn pregnancy clinics, because they're saving lives. 500 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: It's absolutely essential. Preborn pregnancy clinics welcome pregnant moms making 501 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: the most important decision of their lives as it relates 502 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: to the child they're caring. 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The Biden State of the Union 521 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: address I think, which will be tomorrow, is going to 522 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: handle a whole range of things. And look, I'm gonna 523 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: watch it. Clay's gonna watch it. It's not gonna be fun. 524 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: It's not gonna be fun watching, but we're gonna do 525 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: it because we're gonna see the way they try to 526 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: spin all this stuff. Here's a Senator Tim Scott, for example, 527 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: when he was talking about Biden's Day of the Union, 528 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: he says that Biden should apologize for a whole range 529 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: of things. Plate ten, I think you'll hear a lot 530 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: of glossing over of the real issues that the American 531 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: people are suffering through. If we were going to hear 532 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: something authentic from the President Biden, it would be American people, 533 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I apologize for a record breaking crime, record 534 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: breaking inflation, and record breaking border crossings. What I anticipate, however, 535 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: is he will talk about nothing for as long as 536 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: seemingly possible and stop talking. So, Clay, I agree with 537 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: what Senator Scott is saying. Of course Biden's going to 538 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,239 Speaker 1: do none of that. But the one place where I 539 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: think I think it really is he went below. My 540 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: very low expectations is with the promise to unify the 541 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: country and to be a return to normalcy and all that. 542 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: I didn't think he was going to do it. But 543 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: he's really gone with the winter of death about the 544 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: vaccines and though either the ultramaga Republicans. He just gave 545 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: a speech to Democrats in Philadelphia and this is how 546 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: he talks about extreme Maga Republicans. Play twelve. They introduced 547 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: the bill this is go as You think I'm crazy. 548 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: When I said this stuff in the offeer, people looked 549 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: at me like I was nuts. They're nuts. I'm not 550 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: the one. They news the bill that will eliminate the 551 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: IRS and replace it with a thirty percent national sales tax. 552 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: You heard me, thirty percent national tests. I think about 553 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: that means thirty percent on groceries, gasoline, clothing, school supplies, medicine, 554 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: big ticket. I'm gonna be renting cars, shifting the entire 555 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: burden of the working class in middle class in America 556 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: and not gonna happen. I'm gonna veto the suckers. Never 557 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: got to night. I know the Republicans ran an inflation 558 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: last election. I didn't know they were trying to make 559 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: it worse. I try to make it play a Yeah. No, 560 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: I mean the idea that our tax code is so 561 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: fundamentally broken that anytime someone off as an alternative, it 562 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: is immediately shouted down. I mean, you heard the booing, 563 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: like who likes taxes? I mean, in all honesty, and 564 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: so it's not going to pass. Everybody knows it's not 565 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: going to pass. But the idea that we can't have 566 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: a conversation about how broken our tax policy is. Bucky, 567 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: you've told the story for a while. Was it who 568 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: was the former Secretary of Defense that would say, I 569 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: have no idea if this is accurate. Like Donald Rumsfeld, 570 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: he would send a letter into the IRS saying, look, 571 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: I got great accountants, and I'm being honest with you, 572 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: but you're asking me to sign something saying it's all true, 573 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: and nobody knows if this is accurate. And what I 574 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: have come to find out as I have had my 575 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: own business and everything else, if you gave your taxes 576 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: to ten different accountants, ten different accountants would tell you 577 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: that you owed a different amount. That seems to me 578 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: to be a flaw of the overall system and the 579 00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: fact that you and me and many of the people 580 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: out there listening to us are reasonably intelligent adults, and 581 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: we wouldn't even dream of attempting many of us to 582 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: file our own tax returns. Is pretty good evidence that 583 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: the system is broken. Not to mention, we just hired 584 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: eighty seven thousand new IRS agents, which in my opinion, 585 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: is not going to make anything better at all. Well, 586 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: you asked the would why would a whole crowd of 587 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: Democrats boo the notion of abolishing the IRS? I here, 588 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: abolish the IRS, and I say that sounds fantastic, because 589 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: it really should just be. It should be very straightforward whatever, 590 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: whatever the tax burden is going to be. The reason 591 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: the tax code is tens of thousands of pages is corruption, graphs, 592 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: special favors, side deals, and social engineering. That's it. There's 593 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: no reasonable explanation for why. I mean, depending on if 594 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: you add the addendums and all this stuff. I think 595 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: that they estimate it's like seventy thousand pages. I mean, 596 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: the tax code is absolutely outrageous when you if you 597 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: were to print, throw all out and put it together. 598 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: But I'm reminded of Frederick Bastia, a Frenchman from mid 599 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: nineteenth century. The quote government is a great fiction through 600 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. 601 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: That's what Democrats do. But by the way, the law 602 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: is brilliant, it's short, it's easy to read, it's really fantastic. 603 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: A lot of more libertarian conservatives are big fans of 604 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: Bastiat the law. But it is true that Democrats promised 605 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: that everybody, whether it's on healthcare or taxes, it's always 606 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 1: somebody else that will pay. And that is the great 607 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,959 Speaker 1: fiction that they use to get so much bad policy done. 608 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: Like nineteen ninety two ish when Steve Forbes ran and 609 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: almost Steve Forbes's entire message, And obviously he was not 610 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: the best advocate for this because he kind of looks 611 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: like a you know, zany you know, tax professor at 612 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: an elite institution. But I think, if I remember correctly, 613 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: the Steve Forbes plan was basically a twelve percent flat tax. 614 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: Every single person would pay twelve percent. You could file 615 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: your tax return, if I remember from his perspective, basically 616 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: on a small notecard, right that you would be able 617 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: to postcard that you'd be able to mail in. I 618 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: don't understand how we can't fix our broken tax system 619 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: and why that wouldn't make a lot of sense. Now, 620 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: I don't know about the idea of a consumption tax, 621 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: and all the different ways to do it can be 622 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: confusing because they require change, and change is often fought 623 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: just because people are creatures of habit. But our tax 624 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: code is broken. And if every single one of you 625 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: out there almost could not file your own tax return 626 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: and be confident that you can do it well. And 627 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: I don't mean when Look, if you're an employee and 628 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: your employer is it's not that complicated. As soon as 629 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: you start to have very many different moving parts, and 630 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: god forbid if you're actually own a small business to 631 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: figure all this out, or you're an independent contractor. I mean, 632 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: it's a total and complete mess. It really is. And 633 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 1: so I don't have all the areas you could attack 634 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: Republicans on they're trying to figure out how to make 635 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: our tax code work better for more people. Seems like 636 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: a really bad attempt to attack. I am looking forward, however, 637 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: tomorrow at the State of the Union Buck. How much 638 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: better is it going to be to see Kevin McCarthy 639 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: sitting behind Joe Biden instead of Nancy Pelosi. Yeah, He's 640 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,720 Speaker 1: not going to tear up any speeches, I can assure 641 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: you with that. So classy Democrats, so classy. Well, the 642 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: last time the State of the Union, Biden just randomly 643 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: said go get him at the end. I'm curious if 644 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: they'll have another crazy mishap.