1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Hi, this is new due to the virus. I'm recording 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: from home, so you may notice a difference in audio quality. 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: On this episode of nets World, we have as our 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: guest somebody who has been just remarkably knowledgeable and has 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: probably as good a grassroots news gathering organization as anybody 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: in America. I'm referring to John Solomon, founder of just 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: the News dot com, which I recommend to you. I 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: look at it every single day, Just the News dot Com. John. 9 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to have you on because, frankly, there's so 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: many different things going on and I find my head 11 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: spinning trying to keep track of all of them. It's 12 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, where do you start? But 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: why don't we start with the reporting on the homepage 14 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: of Just the News just for today? How do you 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: see things? Well, listen, there were affording we've done on 16 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: the ground makes clear that we're still in the fog 17 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: of war. We don't really know what unfolded last Wednesday. 18 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: We know there was violence, we know there was an 19 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: officer killed, we know horrible things happened in the Capitol, 20 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: but we don't know the full nature of what happened. 21 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: And I've compared it to other big moments in the 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: last two decades. We thought early on we were told 23 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: that Benghazi was a spontaneous attack from people who are 24 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: upset by a Nancy Muslim video. It turned out it 25 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: was a planned terror attack. We were towed after nine 26 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: to eleven that we were sucker punching. Nobody knew this 27 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: was coming, and then we found out the FBI and 28 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: CIA had most of the evidence of the plot and 29 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: didn't connect the dots. I think this episode is going 30 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: to follow that pattern, which is what we saw on television. 31 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: What the early storyline is is going to change as 32 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: we begin to understand what happened in the last seventy 33 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: two hours. We've learned a lot of new information. The 34 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: FBI is confirmed to me that they had warnings as 35 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: early as four days before the riot last Wednesday that 36 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: there was a planned attack and that one of the 37 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: calls to action was to kill police officers, and that 38 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: there were instigators and planning and possible explosives, and they 39 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: pass that on down the line to the Capitol police. 40 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: If this was a planned attack that happened four days earlier, 41 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: than it could not have been in a spontaneous mob 42 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: incited by a speech or series of speeches. There was planning, 43 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: and so that's one of the big questions that has 44 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: to be answered with We all believed it was just 45 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: an instantaneous moment of combustion. Now there looks to be 46 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: some significant plotting and planning, and that the FBI at 47 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: least had hints of it, as did the New York 48 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: Police Department intelligence uited. That's a very important question to 49 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: decide culpability long term. The second part of that is 50 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: that we know now from the police chief at the 51 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: Capital that he made multiple requests to the sergeant at 52 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: arms at the House to bring in National Guard, just 53 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: like President Trump did around the White House during the 54 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: protests in the summer, and that the sergeant at arms 55 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: told him in conversations it's bad optics. I don't want 56 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: to do it. Now. The sergeant at arms you know this, 57 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: ye were speak They work really closely with the Speaker 58 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: of the House and the leadership. No one has asked 59 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: the question, did the sergeant at arms who's now been 60 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: fired have any conversations with Nancy Pelosi? These are big 61 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: questions that could change the narrative and the understanding of 62 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: what happened. And yet we're moving towards impeachment. We're gonna 63 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: have a one day drive by impeachment. It's like a 64 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: Kmart blue light special. And these questions are unanswered before 65 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: we assigned the blame totally to the President the United States. 66 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: I think that's irresponsible, and it's irresponsible of us in 67 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: the journalism community not to do more, quicker, faster, and 68 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: sooner to find the answers to these questions. There's some 69 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: rumors that there was actually inside help because both some 70 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: of the police who let people in and the speed 71 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: with which some of the people who broke in were 72 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: able to find officers represented. James Claiborne, who is the 73 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: third ranking Democrat, first raised this question because he said 74 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: the protesters managed to locate and penetrate his office, which 75 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: is unlisted and unmarked. Such a great point, again going 76 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: to the idea that there was planning, that this was 77 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: not a spontaneous attack that was driven by the president's speech, 78 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: but something that was in the works for days and 79 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: law enforcement had hints of it. This is a real 80 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: sign of it. Congressman Cliborne, well respected, been in the 81 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: Congress for a long time. He said, listen, people got 82 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: to my office within minutes and I'm unmarked and it's unlisted. 83 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: Somebody had to have directed them to my office. There 84 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: are some indications in the law enforcement officials I'm talking 85 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: to that maps of the inside tunnels and cuveies of 86 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 1: the capital were distributed and in the hands of people 87 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: at the capitol. That's not something that happens spontaneously. It 88 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: suggests that there is an insider element and an element 89 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: of planning. And I think that that's the part about 90 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: this that we all need to pause for a moment 91 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: and get the facts before we assigned final blame. Here. 92 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: We do not know how long the plot was underweigh, 93 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 1: but you can see it. I eds were built in advance, 94 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: at least eleven of them into the FBI, maps were 95 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: handed out. According to my law enforcement officials, there were 96 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: communications of people to move to the capitol, go to 97 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: this side, or do that, suggesting there was a strategic 98 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: command element to this attack. And there are some elements 99 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: that appear from the early reporting we've done. There are 100 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: people that are not Trump protesters that are participating in 101 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: a pro Trump rally, and we need to know who 102 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: they are, what their motives are. One of them we've 103 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: talked to. He's a guy that was charged in Utah 104 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: last summer with being involved in a deadly riot of BLM. 105 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: Michael riot in Utah, and he's there filming right at 106 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: the point where the Air Force woman gets shot by 107 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: the police officer. What are the chances he's at that moment? 108 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 1: What is his role? Why is he in the Capitol? 109 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: He wasn't a credential press person. These questions have not 110 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: been answered by law enforcement until we get those answers. 111 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: The insider element of this is one of the big 112 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: fact trails that we need to all follow. There may 113 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: have been people that planned and assisted this for days 114 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: or weeks before it happened. Given that, are you very 115 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: worried about the inauguration also being on safe? I think 116 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: that the level of police enforcement that I'm seeing around 117 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: the White House in the Capitol, I'm seven or eight 118 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: blocks away from the White House and we're in a 119 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: perimeter that's completely locked down ten days before. There is 120 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: some intelligence that I hear from both my friends in 121 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: the Secret Service in the FBI. There is some intelligence 122 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: that individual groups, small groups of anarchists or violent extremists 123 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: are planning to create mischief or violence in the next 124 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: seven or eight days, not only here, but in several 125 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: state capitals around the country. So yes, I think, based 126 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: on the reporting I've done with the law enforcement officials 127 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: I've been talking to for years and have known for decades, 128 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: there is a real concern that there's a high threat 129 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: of violence over the next ten days. It can be spontaneous, 130 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: it can be planned, and the level of security you're 131 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: seeing in the Capitol is unlike anything I've seen since 132 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: nine to eleven. Now, all of this has led to 133 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: both hysteria, total condemnation on the left against President Trump, 134 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: extraordinary steps taken by the oligarchs to use their companies 135 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: to cut off the president from the American people, and now, 136 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: of course, the Nancy Pelosi second impeachment effort. What is 137 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: your take on the whole impeachment effort by Pelosi. I'd 138 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: love to study history. I'm not nearly as studied in 139 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: history as you are, but you can go back to 140 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: the early founding days of this country, and impeachment was 141 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: viewed as a last resort, as a serious endeavor, one 142 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: that should only be taken in the most extreme circumstances, 143 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: not to resolve political differences or to assigned instantaneous blame 144 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: before there was an understanding of the fact basis for impeachment. 145 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: We're going to have a drive by impeachment today. If 146 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: this stays on course the way it is, we're going 147 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: to have a one day impeachment with almost no witnesses, 148 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: with no facts, and with these very important questions that 149 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: I mentioned being unanswered. I don't think for a second 150 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: a liberal or conservative founding father, or even one generation ago, 151 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: the great leaders we had in Congress at the time, 152 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: folks like yourself and George Missel and Bobdole, would ever 153 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: have engaged in this level of a drive by impeachment. Similarly, 154 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: I don't think we would have had people literally trying 155 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: to force a twenty fifth Amendment process when the president 156 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: is clearly physically fine and clearly lucid. He gave a 157 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: speech yesterday, there's no evidence that he's incapacitated. The extreme 158 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: mechanisms that were reserved as last resorts in our constitution 159 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: are now being thrown around like their daily political rallies, 160 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: and I think the jeopardy to our country's future. We 161 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: may be changing politics forever, lowing the threshold of the 162 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: things that made this country great, and I worry about it. 163 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: And you take it further to see that cancel culture 164 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: has now been fully enforced by these tech oligarchs that 165 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: we gave monopolies to across the country Facebook, Twitter, YouTube. 166 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: And when Germany's Angelo Marco can say she's worried about 167 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: censorship in America, when the German chancellors worried about it, 168 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: I think we ought to pause for a second and 169 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: reflected just how insanely hysterical we've become. The American Civil 170 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: Liberties Union has expressed concern about Trump being cut off. 171 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: The head of the Russian opposition has expressed concern. One 172 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: of the best statements I saw is somebody who said, 173 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: you know, Zuckerberg got zero votes for president, the head 174 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: of Twitter zero votes for president. How can they responsibly 175 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: cut off somebody who got seventy four million votes? What's 176 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: the moral basis of their use of power. It's going 177 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: to lead to a huge backlash and frankly, the rise 178 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: of an alternative conservative social media system. I've invoked your 179 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: name a lot in the last few weeks, Speaker, because 180 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: I think two thousand and twenty one is to the 181 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: conservative movement. What nineteen ninety three was to the conservative movement. 182 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton won in a different way than Republicans were 183 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: used to seeing, and you rose up and you created 184 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: a new strategy. It was strategic, it was extensive. It 185 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: put pressure on those who tried to wrongly fort the 186 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: conservative movement, and it led to the revolution that you know, 187 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: that's the terrible word to use now, but the Gingris 188 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: Revolution was a real revolution because Republicans exercise powers in 189 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: a strategic and smart way. And I think someone has 190 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: to rise up, the next Newt Gingrich has to rise 191 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: up in the conservative movement and say this is not 192 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,479 Speaker 1: hard to fight this. You can go to the shareholders 193 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: and fight the boardrooms. You can go back to the 194 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: legislatures and reset the rules that were stolen in the 195 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: last election. Someone has to step into this void. It 196 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: can't be Donald Trump. It's got to be someone other 197 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: than Donald Trump step into this void and lead the 198 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: conservative movement back to an offensive posture. The Republicans have 199 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: been in a defensive posture for four consecutive years, and 200 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: I think the rebooting of twenty twenty one. If someone 201 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: like you can rise up with vision and strategy, this 202 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 1: is not a hard fight to get back on a 203 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: level playing field. I agree with and I think frankly 204 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: the opening day vote by the House Democrats, with two 205 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen members voting to eliminate mother, father, son, daughter, etc. 206 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: Twenty nine words that are gender specific. That's the kind 207 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: of stuff. I don't think you go back out to 208 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: those average districts and say this is how radical your 209 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: member is in Washington. They could have a catastrophic next year. 210 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: I know there are at least five House Republicans who 211 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 1: said they would support the impeachment, even if it's a 212 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: drive by impeachment. As you point out, what do you 213 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: think is motivating them? I think there's two things. I 214 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: think there's always been a never Trumper part of the 215 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: party that is fervent and strong, but it stayed muted 216 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: because President's record of success was quite impressive. Even if 217 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: you were a never Trumper, you had to look at 218 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: the record and say, those are pretty big conservative achievements. 219 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm a conservative. I'm going to stay quiet. I don't 220 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: like Donald Trump, but I'm going to stay quiet. I 221 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: think this moment at the end of his presidency, where 222 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: he's a lame duck and a horrific event occurs, has 223 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: given them that chance to take their daggers back out 224 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: and to stick it in the back of a man 225 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: they just never really like. A lot of the reaction 226 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: to Donald Trump isn't because of policies or record of accomplishment, 227 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: which is unusual. Usually you're upset at a president because 228 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: he didn't get things done. This president got a lot done, 229 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: but the way he's done it, his stylism is bombastic 230 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: nature has for country club Republicans or swing district Republicans 231 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: has become a force galvanizing some never Trumpers. And it's 232 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: been a long time where the Republican Party had a 233 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: small but very vocal group of people that didn't embrace 234 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: their president. Of Republicans embrace the president. Going into this election, 235 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: he had an all time rating among Republicans, but the 236 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: small never Trumper wink has been role. It has been active, 237 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: but his record of achievement blunted it for most of 238 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: his tenure until he became a lame duck. And now 239 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: all of these people who silently were casting damnation automard 240 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: now in the public doing so. They're saving their seats. 241 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: They're trying to gauge their political electorate around them. But 242 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, they're going 243 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: to find out the seventy eighty million people that have 244 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: supported this president aren't walking away from him the way 245 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: they have, and they're going to face very strong primaries. 246 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: I think Utah, Wyoming is going to get a lot 247 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: of visits from Trump supporters in twenty twenty two. If 248 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: you're Mitt Romney or Liz Cheney or the others that 249 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: are in this Murkowski out in Alaska, you're going to 250 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: find out just how strong the Trump movement is two 251 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: years from now. I was a little surprised. But Liz, 252 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: what do you think of the implications of her as 253 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: conference chairman taking a position which I suspect her conference 254 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: is overwhelmingly opposed to. I think some of Liz Cheney's 255 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: objects inst Trump come from the Cheney family thinking, which 256 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: is they were neo kons. They were people who believed 257 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: in a strong global policing nature of our military, and 258 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is the antithesis of that. He's been trying 259 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: to get us out of the endless wars and reduce 260 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: the American role as police officer for every incident in 261 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: the world. So I think the Cheney family has an 262 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: ideological divide with the Trump doctrine that drives some of it. 263 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: Some of it is just personal dislike of the man. 264 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: I think the Republican Party, after we get through these 265 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: two days and we exhale for the first time, they're 266 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: going to have to go back and look, do we 267 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: have the right leaders and all of our positions, whether 268 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: it's in the House the Senate. Mitch McConnell's been there 269 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: a very long time. He's an amazing parliamentarian. He got 270 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,479 Speaker 1: the President, all of his judges and the US justices. 271 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: But is he really connected with the time and these 272 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: new Republicans that are coming into Congress. Does he even 273 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: embrace the evolution of the Republican Party that inevitably happened 274 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: with Donald Trump. I think there will be calls for 275 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: leadership changes. Whether that can really occur in a year, 276 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: or whether the real resolution is to primary and knock 277 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: out some of these leaders to send a statement to 278 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: future leaders. I don't know how that will work itself out. 279 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: As you know, right after nineteen ninety three, without you, 280 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: a lot of Republicans were just hunkered down in a 281 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: moment of mourning and grieving and shock. And I think 282 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: the Republican Party when Donald Trump leaves office on the twentieth, 283 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: He's going to have to go through a short period 284 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: of mourning, and then they'll decide how are they going 285 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: to pick themselves off the floor, and whether that means 286 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: removing this Chaney now or just waiting for the primary challenge. 287 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: I think that will depend on a lot of what 288 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy says. Kevin McCarthy has an enormous amount of 289 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: respect among his rank and file. He got great new 290 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: candidates who got elected this year. He's a rising star 291 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: in the party. Whatever I think, Kevin McCarthy will have 292 00:15:47,000 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: a big say over what happens to this Cheney. Just 293 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: the news to the Daily Poll with Scott Rasmussen about 294 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: US voters who support a proposal to split the country 295 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: into two countries. I was amazed, but I was floored 296 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: by it. We started hearing that the sentiment that Scott 297 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: was telling us listen, I think the sentiment is starting 298 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: to spread across America. And I gotta tell you, when 299 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: I first started like there's no way that's like a 300 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: one percent or two percenter movement, twenty five percent a 301 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: quarter of America believes it's time to split into red 302 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: and blue countries to divide this country in half. And 303 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: I think that that is an extraordinary statement about just 304 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: how far the American public has become exasperated with extremism 305 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: and constant recrimination. In Washington. Donald Trump was sent to 306 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: shake up the status quoem to destroy the bureaucracies that 307 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: were getting in the way of the American people's will, 308 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: and he achieved a lot of that, but at the 309 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: end of the day, those bureaucracies, those institutions have continue 310 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: to thwart the will of the American people. And the 311 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: idea that one and every four Americans think it may 312 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: be time to succeed if you're in the South it 313 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: become a red country or a blue country is shocking 314 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: to me. And it should be a warning to every leader, Democrat, Republican, Independent, 315 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: that it's time to cool some of the rhetoric, to 316 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: cool some of the combat, and to start thinking about 317 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: the people that sent them to office, in their fears, 318 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: their concerns. It's a red alarm that Americans don't find 319 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: the entire institution of the United States worth keeping anymore. 320 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: That should be assigned to every leader in America that 321 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: they got to step up to the plate, rise above 322 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: all this nonsense they've been engaged in for four years 323 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: and try to deliver some sanity back to the American people. 324 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: What do you think needs to be done to heal 325 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: the devision? I think it will depend on President Biden. 326 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: Will he rise above the far left of his party 327 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: that is in a revolutionary mode right now. They want 328 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: to make a fifty one hundred year model monel party 329 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: in America, monolithic single party America. And Joe Biden, I think, traditionally, 330 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: has been a man in his career that reached the 331 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: cross aisle from time to time, recognize that you can 332 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: have politics, but also you know, you can be friends. 333 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: He had many friends on the Republican al because he's 334 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: a cordial guy traditionally. The real question, the single biggest 335 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: person who can begin to change his dynamic is Joe Biden. 336 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: Can he rise above the revolutionaries in the far left 337 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: of his party and try to make an overchurch of 338 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: the Republicans to put aside the Trump era and to 339 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,719 Speaker 1: get the people's business done. If he does that, I 340 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: think there's a moment where everybody will cool the toxic 341 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: nature of their feelings and their rhetoric and their actions. 342 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: If he does it if he's held host it's by 343 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: the far left, which I think a lot of the 344 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: people I'm talking to on the Democratic side believe he 345 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: will be. This country is going to continue to boil 346 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: and I don't know what the next steps will be. 347 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: And then on the Republican side, someone has to fill 348 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: in the void the President Trump will leave. Trump is 349 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: going to be an amazing actor on stage still, but 350 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: he's not in a position of power on the twenty 351 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: first of January, and someone who is in a position 352 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: of power has to rally the troops and start to 353 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: get a strategy in place. Somebody has to go back 354 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: to the legislatures and fix the broken election roles that 355 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: the Democrats have viscerated. With Republicans standing silent, Somebody has 356 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: to go and that these nominees that the Biden has 357 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: in some of the wrongdoing or controversies in the background 358 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: that the American public doesn't know about. Ma Orchis, the 359 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: Homeland Security guy was basically selling visas. Those sort of 360 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: things have to get before the American people invent it. 361 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: And then someone has to make sure that the more 362 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: radical ideas don't get through stacking the court. Someone has 363 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: to rally the troops and create a strategy of resistance 364 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,239 Speaker 1: to make sure that Republicans can continue to compete. I 365 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: haven't seen that to you to rise up, but I 366 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: suspect in the next twenty five days or thirty days, 367 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: we're going to see somebody jump into that void. I 368 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: have the same feeling that you've mentioned earlier. You first 369 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: have to go through a period of recognizing that you lost, 370 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: and I think because of President Trump's aggressiveness, that people 371 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: couldn't even begin that conversation until after the electoral College 372 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: met So we're really in the earlier stages and probably 373 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: about six weeks behind a normal cycle. And then I 374 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: think secondly, the aggressiveness of the left, the vendetta they're running, 375 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: the viciousness of what they're doing, also has stunned people, 376 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: and I think that makes a little harder to reject. 377 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: You've got Do you think that Biden will intervene to 378 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: try to calm Pelosi down, or do you think that 379 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: as long as she's focusing on attacking Republicans, he's fine. 380 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 1: You know you can see him already saying, listen, if 381 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: you're going to do impeachment, can you please split your 382 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: time because you've got to get my agenda going. He 383 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: already has some of the worries. Here's the interesting thing 384 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: that I think maybe going on. That's the underbelly of 385 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: a story that we haven't all been able to get to. 386 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: This is coming from Democrats I'm talking to. They believe, 387 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: and some of them are former Democrats looking in on 388 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: their own institutions, their old institutions. They believe that Nancy 389 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: Pelosi and Chuck Schumer may have rallied this extraordinarily ferocious, 390 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: kind of almost insane fast impeachment because they know, given 391 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: the slim margins they have in the House and Senate, 392 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 1: they're not going to be delivering on a lot of 393 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 1: the big, bold promises that the far left thought they 394 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: were getting when they won this election. It's fifty fifty 395 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: in the Senate. One senator can die up the entire 396 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: Senate if he objects to something. It's less than twelve 397 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: members separating the majority in the House, and some of 398 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: those members are in swing districts, Trump districts that aren't 399 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: going to want to take extreme votes. The Democrats are 400 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: not going to be able to get all that they want, 401 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: and I think impeachment may be the grand diversion to 402 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: get the liberal base frothing and excited, and man, Nancy 403 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: Pelosi delivered for something on us right at the beginning, 404 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: before they get the bad news that a lot of 405 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: those other radical ideas you have, we're probably not getting 406 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: them through. I think there's two reasons they don't get through. 407 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: One is the slim majorities too. Is Biden historically has 408 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: been more moderates, a mid Atlantic moderate. Sure, he's a 409 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: liberal Democrat, but compared to the rest of his party, 410 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: he's a far more moderate person. And many of the 411 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: people he's put into positions are more institutionalists than they 412 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: are radical Dems. And I think that Nancy Pelosi is 413 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: trying to get her liberal left win something they can 414 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: chew on for a while before they have to swallow 415 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: the news that they're not going to get a lot 416 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: of their far left agenda. Well, listen, we're going to 417 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: continue to follow you on just the news. I'm confident 418 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: that you're gonna enough different things happening that your hard 419 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: work and your grassroots reporting is going to continue to 420 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: be invaluable. 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