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Speaker 2: Former scout for the Philadelphia Eagles watching his Eagles again
Speaker 2: start slowly explode in the second quarter dominate the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: You know it would be easy to say, well, Justin
Speaker 2: Tucker missed a couple of field goals and a pat
Speaker 2: It certainly didn't help. It forced Baltimore into some weird
Speaker 2: play calling going forward later. But you know it is
Speaker 2: after a while, something goes from different, coincidental to a trend.
Speaker 2: And Philadelphia they feel like a heavyweight fighter that feels
Speaker 2: you out, kind of tries a few things and then
Speaker 2: eventually they just wear you out. And Baltimore is a
Speaker 2: physical team and I just kind of felt I mean,
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts only completed eleven passes. But Philadelphia and I
Speaker 2: think we've talked about this. We've given Detroit a lot
Speaker 2: of credit as the best team. I don't know if
Speaker 2: they met today. With the Lion injuries, I think I
Speaker 2: may take Philadelphia as the NFC's top team. What say you, yeah?
Speaker 1: When I when I see a headline of Jamal Adams
Speaker 1: signing with the Detroit Lions, you know they you know,
Speaker 1: they got issues with injuries. I think the star of
Speaker 1: the day, and he's gone a little under the radar
Speaker 1: because Sakuan looks, I don't know, like Walter Payton, right
Speaker 1: now is Vic Fangio. I mean they wanted him two
Speaker 1: years ago, and that Jonathan Gannon. He got the job
Speaker 1: last minute and it threw Howie and they're hiring off
Speaker 1: and he ends up in Miami early in the season.
Speaker 1: It didn't quite look right. I would say this last month.
Speaker 1: I mean the young dbs Mitchell, their first round pick
Speaker 1: is a star star Cooper dejan looks immediate plug and
Speaker 1: play slot receiver or a slot corner, which is now
Speaker 1: a starter in the NFL, right because every team. And
Speaker 1: then how about this Zach Bond guy. He looks like
Speaker 1: Brian Erlaker out there running around. He you cannot watch
Speaker 1: an Eagles game all season long without him making I
Speaker 1: say over under four impact impact place. And this was
Speaker 1: a one year player who didn't sign for much that
Speaker 1: it was an outside pass rusher, special teams guy, and
Speaker 1: it's been well reported. And Fangio looked said, I think
Speaker 1: we can make this guy a middle linebacker and I
Speaker 1: think he's going to be an All Pro this season.
Speaker 1: And obviously the pass rush, I mean, Jalen Carter is
Speaker 1: really kind of, you know, done what they hoped he
Speaker 1: would be. So it's to me, it's Fangio and the
Speaker 1: talent on Defense Show.
Speaker 2: I feel like the AFC is all about the quarterbacks
Speaker 2: and the NFC is all about the front offices. Green Bay,
Speaker 2: I mean, they haven't missed on a tight end or
Speaker 2: a wide receiver pick or Jordan Love Detroit, Philadelphia. I
Speaker 2: feel like those three teams, and I like Matt Lafleur,
Speaker 2: and I like Jalen Hurts and Jared Goff and Matt Lafleur.
Speaker 2: I think the NFC is ruled by front offices because
Speaker 2: you don't have as much star power at quarterback. I
Speaker 2: think Green Bay is a year away, but they hammered
Speaker 2: my Miami. That thing was embarrassing. I look at Philadelphia,
Speaker 2: and you know what's funny about Baltimore. I mean the league.
Speaker 2: They're league leaders in penalty yards and flags, you know,
Speaker 2: missed field goals. I like John Harball, I love Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 2: It's not that they're they just don't quite feel you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I kind of when I watched
Speaker 2: Baltimore the other week in a game they played, Bill
Speaker 2: Belichick was ripping them on like the ESPN, like the
Speaker 2: Manning cast. He's like, Okay, that's Philadelphia, that's Philadelphia, and
Speaker 2: you could tell he was kind of like as if
Speaker 2: he kind of was taking a shot at John Harbaugh. Like,
Speaker 2: this team's got a ton of talent, They're never buttoned up.
Speaker 2: Is that fair? And again it's not that I don't
Speaker 2: like John Harbaugh, but man penalties they just sometimes leave
Speaker 2: all they leave points and plays on the sideline.
Speaker 1: I like the Ravens a lot coming into this game
Speaker 1: because I thought they matched up well against the Eagles,
Speaker 1: and like, well, their run defense is awesome, and offensively,
Speaker 1: how can you corral Lamar in this offense? And it
Speaker 1: actually flipped. They broke the run defense with Saquan as
Speaker 1: the game went on. Like you said, with the fighter,
Speaker 1: I think when you look at Harbaugh, like I would say,
Speaker 1: in the Lamar era, him and Lamar have been disappointing
Speaker 1: in big spots. Yes, yes, there's no disputing it. At
Speaker 1: this time, they also had a weapon in their back pocket. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like when I was a kid, if you had a
Speaker 1: guy that could hit forty fifty home runs in the
Speaker 1: early nineties, it was a big curve ball like not
Speaker 1: many teams had in golf. If you could hit it
Speaker 1: three hundred plus yards. Twenty five years ago, Justin Tucker
Speaker 1: is now shot. Yeah, I did some math during the game.
Speaker 1: He was eight of fourteen from forty plus coming into
Speaker 1: the game, then he missed two more. So you're talking
Speaker 1: about a guy that felt like he was automatic from
Speaker 1: anywhere from forty five or fifty five yards, who now
Speaker 1: is a fifty percent, you know, chance of missing the
Speaker 1: field goal. And let's face it, in this game, when
Speaker 1: they lined him up to kick the field goal, did
Speaker 1: you have any faith that he was going to make it?
Speaker 1: Because I had none, which is crazy. Just two years
Speaker 1: ago you would have sait like that's a lock. So
Speaker 1: I you look at a team now that you know
Speaker 1: the AFC is pretty open. We'll see how Buffalo looks
Speaker 1: tonight and how they finished down the Stetch. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: Chiefs have a remarkable record, but they're pretty flawed. Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: they actually look pretty good today, but Cincinnati's defense is atrocian.
Speaker 1: T Harball has guys you've never heard of getting picked sixes,
Speaker 1: and that's how he's been doing in his whole career.
Speaker 1: The AFC is not quite what it's been about the top,
Speaker 1: so that that benefits them. If you just get in,
Speaker 1: you gotta shot.
Speaker 2: So if you look at the AFC again, we're doing
Speaker 2: this before the Bills play. Kansas City's the one seed,
Speaker 2: Buffalo to Pittsburgh, three, Ravens four excuse me, Texans, I
Speaker 2: believe four. Then it's Ravens, Chargers, Broncos would be as
Speaker 2: of now, the wild card teams. So I really like
Speaker 2: the top two teams obviously in the AFC. Detroit Detroit
Speaker 2: is the number one in the NFC, followed by Philly.
Speaker 2: Seattle is the third seed. Atlanta right now is the
Speaker 2: fourth seed, and then it goes Minnesota, Green Bay, Washington.
Speaker 2: So I like the wild card teams Minnesota and green
Speaker 2: Bay today more than I like Seattle and Atlanta. Division
Speaker 2: leaders Atlanta's really We'll get into that in a bit,
Speaker 2: but I kind of feel I do feel overall, and
Speaker 2: I talked about this last week. I think the top
Speaker 2: of the NFL is really strong. If we just said Philly, Detroit,
Speaker 2: Kansas City, Buffalo, would we agree those are the four
Speaker 2: best teams in the league? Yes, yeah, And then I think,
Speaker 2: and then I think we get into this space where
Speaker 2: I would Minnesota, Green Bay and Pittsburgh and Baltimore are
Speaker 2: all capable of winning a playoff game.
Speaker 1: I actually right now, like Green Bay and Pittsburgh more
Speaker 1: than I do Baltimore because every time I'm like, I
Speaker 1: think Baltimore can win the Super Bowl, you watch today,
Speaker 1: You're like, no, they can't. What am I talking about?
Speaker 1: And Pittsburgh, you know, Russell has given them so much
Speaker 1: life on offense and defensively. On any given moment, TJ.
Speaker 1: Wat can just create a touchdown, like at the snap
Speaker 1: of the finger. It feels like Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White.
Speaker 1: And that's how many teams have that in their back pocket.
Speaker 1: Like even Kansas City, like Chris Jones has had moments,
Speaker 1: but I view TJ. Watt right now as the more
Speaker 1: dominant player. Now, maybe Chris Flip's a switch come the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and you know the Eagles kind of have that. It
Speaker 1: feels like with just all their playmakers on defense and
Speaker 1: without Aiden Hutchinson, you're watching Detroit, which sucks for them.
Speaker 1: Usually when you play on Thursday, you get that mini
Speaker 1: by well, the NFL right over the last four or
Speaker 1: five years has taken the two best teams that play
Speaker 1: on Thursday and put them on the following Thursday, so
Speaker 1: you just get a normal work week. So Detroit today
Speaker 1: was basically their Tuesday, which sucks given that was crazy
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving. How many guys were going down, it was
Speaker 1: you kind of start feeling bad for them. Yeah I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to pivot to the Steelers. Pittsburgh forty
Speaker 2: four Cincinnati thirty eight. This defense for Cincinnati. Listen, the
Speaker 2: Steelers offense had five hundred and twenty yards eight yards
Speaker 2: of play, twenty eight first downs. It was one of
Speaker 2: the great games in Russell Wilson's career. There was a
Speaker 2: real moment after the game when Mike Tomlin came up
Speaker 2: and embraced Russell Wilson, and I think it's pretty redeemable.
Speaker 2: You know, we're talking about Aaron Rodgers, like he still
Speaker 2: has it. Aaron's lost nine straight starts. I mean, like
Speaker 2: to Denver and bow Nicks when they weren't even a
Speaker 2: thing yet. Russell Wilson deserves a lot of credit. He
Speaker 2: has worked harder and been more focused than Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: You can say all you want about Russell Wilson, but
Speaker 2: he's a workaholic. He's totally committed to it. Sometimes he's
Speaker 2: almost hopelessly optimistic. But you know what, but I when
Speaker 2: he first got there, he thought God you know, it's
Speaker 2: such a kind of a working class, tough guy culture,
Speaker 2: and you know he's Ciarra and Russell Wilson and the brand.
Speaker 2: We have to give him credit. He has acclimated well,
Speaker 2: he has fit really well.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I look at him and there's two things that he does.
Speaker 2: He can extend plays, not like he used to, but
Speaker 2: he can extend plays, and he throws a beautiful deep ball.
Speaker 2: John I'd argue that that's enough for them to win
Speaker 2: multiple playoff games.
Speaker 1: Especially if they're at home, right and being at home
Speaker 1: is something that has not been kind to them because
Speaker 1: they've been playing on the road so often, because they've
Speaker 1: been winning nine or ten games in the regular season
Speaker 1: beside the twenty twenty season. So the stat when we
Speaker 1: rattle off they haven't won a playoff games in twenty sixteen, well,
Speaker 1: they haven't been a great regular season team for a
Speaker 1: lot of those years. And when you're playing on the road,
Speaker 1: especially in the AFC. You're talking especially the last five
Speaker 1: or six years, you're talking Kansas City every year, New
Speaker 1: England for a long time now, Buffalo, these are very
Speaker 1: very tough places to go play. We saw last year
Speaker 1: they went into Buffalo like no one. The game would
Speaker 1: have to get so weird for them to have a chance,
Speaker 1: and it kind of did. But I think the best
Speaker 1: part about football, and you see this in college in
Speaker 1: the pros, like, yeah, he does not feel like a
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steeler right, the way he talks right and his brand.
Speaker 1: But if you make plays and you win, no one
Speaker 1: gives a shit. In college, if you're not from the
Speaker 1: South in Alabama or LSU hire you and you immediately
Speaker 1: start rattling off eleven twelve wins seasons and being in
Speaker 1: the semi finals in the national championship game, no one cares.
Speaker 1: But if you didn't play well, they would have turned on.
Speaker 1: Russell came right in and elevated them. And today's a
Speaker 1: good example. I mean the game opened up with him
Speaker 1: throwing a pick six. Now it was you know, pickens fell,
Speaker 1: but still I went ooh, this could get weird. Bros.
Speaker 1: Hot you know he spot them seven Even Tomlin I saw.
Speaker 1: I watched a clip of his press conference. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know, impressively spotted them seven point. You could even
Speaker 1: blink and they never and listen, Cincinnati's defense is a trip.
Speaker 2: It's atrocious.
Speaker 1: It is really great, you know what I mean. Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow is having a great season, and it's they don't
Speaker 1: have a shot.
Speaker 2: I talked to a GM yesterday about I said, if
Speaker 2: you if you're Joe Burrow, you're trapped. You know. We
Speaker 2: look at Caleb Williams, which we'll get to later, and
Speaker 2: you think he's trapped. But like Joe Burrow, t Higgins
Speaker 2: may not be a great one. He's probably a one
Speaker 2: A somewhere. He'll be the winner in this. He'll go
Speaker 2: to a really good team. Jamar Chase and Burrow. We're
Speaker 2: going to be in Cincinnati, Tobin the GM. This has
Speaker 2: never been an organization that's been a deal making organization.
Speaker 2: They're the opposite of the Philadelphia Eagles. They're passive, they're
Speaker 2: not aggressive. It's a dysfunctional front office. They're not well healed.
Speaker 2: They don't have a lot of they don't have a
Speaker 2: lot of money. Cincinnati is the Eagles opposite. They just
Speaker 2: they'll they'll they'll keep paying Marvin Lewis or Zach Taylor forever.
Speaker 2: They'll never allow dead cap coach money. They're just different.
Speaker 2: And I was looking at t Higgins day and I'm thinking,
Speaker 2: you know what he'd be better off ending up with
Speaker 2: a really good football team, Like I don't know, you
Speaker 2: can name it wherever you want to go, but there's
Speaker 2: gonna be a football team out there that goes, you
Speaker 2: know what, we're a receiver away. We want to go
Speaker 2: get a grown up wider because these days John people
Speaker 2: will pay for one big receiver. It used to be
Speaker 2: years ago, you know, you'd pay a receiver, you know,
Speaker 2: the old term deva receiver. You'd be like, oh boy,
Speaker 2: what are we into now? T Higgins is no problem,
Speaker 2: He'll go out and play. But I just watched Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: and for years we've always acknowledged they draft and develop. Well,
Speaker 2: they're great underdogs, they're tough, but they they lack the
Speaker 2: creativity offensively. And Russell between the deep ball and the movement,
Speaker 2: he gives them a little creativity. By the way, when
Speaker 2: Ben was younger and moved well, he gave them the
Speaker 2: deep ball and the ability to create. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: Russell's big band in his prime, but it does look
Speaker 2: a little bit like those teams.
Speaker 1: Well, I think Tomlin had a big problem on his
Speaker 1: hand the last couple of years with the offensive coordinator. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't even think of the guy's name, but he
Speaker 1: was it was getting pretty ugly. Remember last year, got
Speaker 1: fired in season and he hired Arthur Smith, and it's
Speaker 1: completely changed them. And you've watched as the season has
Speaker 1: gone on, and they went to Russell, like how did
Speaker 1: they seal the game?
Speaker 2: Today?
Speaker 1: They went with the Justin Fields run. So they've been
Speaker 1: able to incorporate like Justin Field for a backup. He's
Speaker 1: probably one of the more famous backups in the league,
Speaker 1: if not the most famous, and obviously Russell at one point,
Speaker 1: I know he was kind of injured, was also the
Speaker 1: most by far the most famous backup he has. It
Speaker 1: takes a pretty special personality to handle that, and then
Speaker 1: it takes a good offensive coordinator because it's not like
Speaker 1: Tomlin's sitting in on the quarterback meetings and the offensive
Speaker 1: install So a lot of that is on Arthur Smith.
Speaker 1: Where you see North Carolinas interested in him, of course
Speaker 1: they are, like he's clearly a pretty impressive offensive mine.
Speaker 1: And anytime you have the CEO head coaches John Harbaugh,
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Speaker 1: for the offense side of the ball, with John, Mike
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Speaker 1: Arthur Smith. You could argue him and Fangio two of
Speaker 1: the better coordinator hires in all of major college in
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Speaker 1: in the mix for coordinator of the year right now
Speaker 1: what they're doing in Pittsburgh. Nijie Harris, how about him?
Speaker 1: I thought he was kind of a bus He looks
Speaker 1: fantastic this season.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if this is the next most interesting game.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about the Bears, Seahawks, Jets, Chargers, Atlanta,
Speaker 2: a lot of college football. But Minnesota today beat Arizona
Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty two. And I think most people view
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray as this superstar player and you know, a
Speaker 2: little enigmatic, but a superstar player. But it was Sam Darnold,
Speaker 2: who in the last three games is three and zero,
Speaker 2: one hundred and twelve passer rating, six touchdowns, no picks.
Speaker 2: Kyler had an egregiously bad interception and on a couple
Speaker 2: of big drives, yet two one was atrocious, and Donald
Speaker 2: now once again had a winning drive. He wasn't great
Speaker 2: on third down. They didn't have the ball a lot,
Speaker 2: but they were hyper efficient. They only had three penalties.
Speaker 2: I keep waiting because you know, I love Dnald. I
Speaker 2: preferred him over Baker. I thought it was a bigger,
Speaker 2: more athletic with a better deep ball arm. Baker better
Speaker 2: as a pure pastor in the pocket with time. But
Speaker 2: I keep waiting for the shoe to drop. And I
Speaker 2: gotta be honest. Today Kyler was reckless and I watched
Speaker 2: Sam Darnald and I'm like, you know what you brought
Speaker 2: this up last week. You think JJ McCarthy is better,
Speaker 2: but oft an injury and they go get Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2: I don't know what they do, what happens if Sam
Speaker 2: Darnald wins two playoff games, John, because today I'm watching
Speaker 2: him and Kyler and I'm like, I trusted Darnald late
Speaker 2: in that game more than Kyler Murray and I'm a
Speaker 2: huge Kyler Murray fan.
Speaker 1: This is where I feel bad for the Lions. They're
Speaker 1: having the greatest season of all time for their franchise,
Speaker 1: and if they lose to the Packers on Thursday, which
Speaker 1: is a fantastic Thursday night game, and the Vikings win,
Speaker 1: they will have the same record. If I would have
Speaker 1: told the Minnesota ownership, the Minnesota front office, the Minnesota coaches,
Speaker 1: and every Minnesota Vikings fan, it's pretty underrated fan base.
Speaker 2: Pretty great fan base.
Speaker 1: That December one, you would be ten and two and
Speaker 1: coming in today, I think he had twenty one so
Speaker 1: if he threw he has Sam darld would have twenty
Speaker 1: three touchdowns. You would be ten and two and one
Speaker 1: game behind. With the Lions leaking major oil, with injuries
Speaker 1: and in prime position to win the division, which we
Speaker 1: all agree, top three teams, best division in football right now. Yeah, easily,
Speaker 1: they would not believe. They would not have believed you.
Speaker 1: And this is I don't know if you saw the
Speaker 1: story that I think Jeremy Fowler put out that. You know,
Speaker 1: the Falcons, if Cousins doesn't get it together, they will
Speaker 1: look to trade him this offseason. Hell, he could be
Speaker 1: benched over the next couple games. One he's got a note,
Speaker 1: Trey Clause Atlanta. You're not exactly in control of this.
Speaker 1: That's a conversation for another day. But Sam Darnald, to me,
Speaker 1: if I was a team and you said, Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 1: Sam Darnald, oh god, not even factoring in money, it
Speaker 1: doesn't even one. And then when you factor in one
Speaker 1: guy's making forty million dollars and you're like, Sam, is
Speaker 1: he getting that? But even if he did, I would
Speaker 1: rather for if all money's equal, I will take Sam
Speaker 1: Darnald every day of the week. And again, look who
Speaker 1: likes him. Kyle loved him, and they didn't want to
Speaker 1: lose them. They just they couldn't compete with a ten
Speaker 1: million dollar you know what Minnesota gave him, And look
Speaker 1: what he's done. And I stand by it because today
Speaker 1: I was watching. Halfway through that game, you went, got
Speaker 1: Minnesota finally coming back to earth, They're gonna.
Speaker 2: Look well, I thought too, I listen. Arizona, by the way,
Speaker 2: if you go look at the yards, they dominated time ofosession,
Speaker 2: like thirty six and a half minutes to twenty three.
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison's seventh touchdown. They if you watched the game
Speaker 2: up until the end, you felt like, oh, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is Arizona, who, by the way, schizophrenic, I mean Seattle,
Speaker 2: DeLand Egg. And then they go on the road to
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh crap, they're back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And when he threw that touchdown to Marvin Harrison,
Speaker 1: you went, you know, maybe this is just they lose
Speaker 1: twenty five to ten or something. And then I fell
Speaker 1: down the stretch. It wasn't even just that final drive.
Speaker 1: Sam Donold was really good in the second half, and
Speaker 1: Minnesota's got really good coaching. I just don't see with
Speaker 1: a guy who's now had multiple knee surgeries, who was
Speaker 1: a major project. Clearly your team, with your coaching staff
Speaker 1: is just built to win. This is the NFL. It's
Speaker 1: not the NBA where you're worried like the Spurs have
Speaker 1: been worried about five years from now. For five years.
Speaker 1: It's like the the NFL. A you're just worried about
Speaker 1: week by week next season. No one's tanking, Carolina's playing
Speaker 1: their balls off every week. Everyone's trying. And now you're
Speaker 1: ten and two. Minnesota internally could be like, why couldn't
Speaker 1: we if we were to win the division? What if
Speaker 1: we were to get the ones? Why couldn't we win
Speaker 1: the Super Why couldn't we get make it the Super Bowl? Right?
Speaker 1: I mean they are and if again, lot will ride
Speaker 1: on these January games, especially because probably some of them
Speaker 1: are going to be against the Packer as the Lions,
Speaker 1: who you're very comfortable playing and they're comfortable playing you.
Speaker 1: But this Sam Darnold thing, I'm not if things keep
Speaker 1: going like they're going, I'm not just letting him walk
Speaker 1: out the door because I just drafted a guy. We
Speaker 1: see it all the time. You've been hammering this home.
Speaker 1: People pivot faster than they ever have in the NFL.
Speaker 1: You make a decision even they don't even necessarily know
Speaker 1: it's wrong. I just can't afford to let this guy walk.
Speaker 1: He's not thirty eight. This isn't rich Gannon at the
Speaker 1: end of his career with the Raiders. It's he he's
Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight years old. I mean
Speaker 1: a lot of guys play for ten more seasons in
Speaker 1: the prime of their career. Quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Sam has I know him a little bit.
Speaker 2: First of all, very coachable. I think the year with
Speaker 2: Kyle Shannan was huge. So his last two stops, he's
Speaker 2: gotten elite coaching. He's a very coachable guy. And you know,
Speaker 2: I think the air thing. There was a couple of
Speaker 2: plays late in the game. It may have been the
Speaker 2: last drive or the next to last drive, and Sam
Speaker 2: was rushed and the pocket got muddy really fast, and
Speaker 2: he squirreled around and he you know, Sam was head
Speaker 2: up looking to make a throw and I'm like, Sam,
Speaker 2: eat it, eat it, don't And he didn't. And he
Speaker 2: went through a stretch this year in the middle he
Speaker 2: had a couple of really bad picks. But again he didn't.
Speaker 2: Early remember, we were surprised early ooh knew Sam. Then
Speaker 2: he got a little, he got a little the game
Speaker 2: got a little fast, and he got I think he's
Speaker 2: trying to make plays. He's living up to the hype.
Speaker 2: And now he's come back down to earth. He had
Speaker 2: a really bad Jacksonville road game. They were zero for
Speaker 2: five in the red zone. I don't know, I watched Minnesota.
Speaker 2: And also we have to acknowledge this. You pointed this out.
Speaker 2: Let's say this again. I talked to I wanted to
Speaker 2: know what Steve Kaim last night, who now runs the
Speaker 2: football for Clutch Sports, and he said, listen, you can
Speaker 2: say what you want about Brian Flores, but they're personnel.
Speaker 2: They're overachieving, Like he's doing a riga. He's going to
Speaker 2: get a job. So this may be one of these
Speaker 2: lightning in a bottle where Darnold has the best season
Speaker 2: of his career, Brian Flores is there before he gets hired.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it happens like you get lightning in a bottle.
Speaker 2: This is not the Chiefs. It's not to endure for
Speaker 2: twelve years or whatever. But again, last three games for Darnold,
Speaker 2: six touchdowns, no picks, lots of movement, one hundred and
Speaker 2: twelve passer rating. And this is how much I've pivoted.
Speaker 2: When he gets the ball late between the coaching Sam
Speaker 2: and Justin Jefferson, I'm like, yeah, he's gonna get him
Speaker 2: into He's going to get him into field coal position.
Speaker 1: He's going to get I just I think if we
Speaker 1: just put him in a category and people are gonna
Speaker 1: think I'm nuts. But his physical skills and this is
Speaker 1: why people never in the league always believed in it
Speaker 1: and wanted to work with him. It's much closer to
Speaker 1: like the Mahomes and Joshes in terms of the way
Speaker 1: the ball comes off his hand. Now, he wasn't playing well.
Speaker 1: You know Matt Rule in Carolina, like I watched Matt
Speaker 1: Ruhle in Nebraska, can't win games. Maybe Matt Rule is
Speaker 1: just a little bit overrated of a coach. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: Adam Gase. I haven't heard that name in five years.
Speaker 1: I didn't think he works in football anymore. So like
Speaker 1: I see this guy with Kyle Shanahan and obvi leave
Speaker 1: with Kevin O'Connell. Like his skills and his maturation as
Speaker 1: a player. Not everyone just hits the ground running. Most
Speaker 1: players cannot overcome dysfunction. Peyton mannings an all time outlier.
Speaker 1: He could have carried any franchise and made them relevant.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady could not have. At twenty two, twenty three,
Speaker 1: twenty four years old, Sam Darnold clearly could not. And
Speaker 1: now he's good. Is he like a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 1: I'm not acting like we still a long way to
Speaker 1: go in his career, but he has been excellent this year.
Speaker 1: Like I'd have to really study the NFC quarterbacks. But
Speaker 1: you know, Jared Goff, I'm sure is a lock pro bowler,
Speaker 1: but he would have to be in the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: mix for the three NFC.
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Speaker 2: the LA Chargers go on the road. This would have
Speaker 2: been a loss for the Chargers most of their history.
Speaker 2: Beat the Atlanta Falcons seventeen to thirteen. The Chargers are
Speaker 2: eight and four. I mean, it is remarkable what Harbonn
Speaker 2: jesse mentor have done to the defense. It's the same
Speaker 2: damn guys, and now it's the best defense in the league.
Speaker 2: And what I loved about this game, this reminds me
Speaker 2: of Minnesota. That's why I want to go to this next.
Speaker 2: Minnesota was dominated a time of possession, few penalties, big drives, efficiency,
Speaker 2: the Chargers justin Herbert sixteen completions one hundred and forty
Speaker 2: seven yards. They only had one hundred and eighty seven
Speaker 2: yards total. They're on the road and yet they first
Speaker 2: of all four picks the pick six up the sideline.
Speaker 2: I don't even understand what it was. It was like AI,
Speaker 2: somebody slowed it down. It was like it was That's
Speaker 2: the one where I'm like, oh my god, Kirk Cousins
Speaker 2: is washed. That is a seventy four mile an hour
Speaker 2: major league fastball he threw. It was bad. It was
Speaker 2: just like, holy shit, he has no fastball. So but
Speaker 2: I thought my big take was it may be Michael
Speaker 2: Pennock's time. You may give Kurt one more start, but
Speaker 2: this is a game the Chargers have lost my entire life.
Speaker 2: You're on the road, you don't really your offense just doesn't.
Speaker 2: It's getting you know. You just don't have a lot
Speaker 2: of playmakers. We talked about this a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: ago when they I think they lost to the Ravens,
Speaker 2: were like, they just start enough. They need a zay Flowers,
Speaker 2: they need a number one. They don't have playmakers, so
Speaker 2: let's let's attack it. I'll attack it from that your
Speaker 2: thoughts on what to do with Cousins. Are we in
Speaker 2: the Michael PENNOCKX mode?
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, I mean I would start them next week,
Speaker 1: like this is what are we doing here? Four interceptions?
Speaker 1: Now they you know, Tampa won the day somehow in
Speaker 1: overtime since we started recording this, so they're six and
Speaker 1: six now they have lost to Atlanta twice. Yes, they're
Speaker 1: also six and six and the Saints losing the Chargers today,
Speaker 1: obviously they're out of it. So it's it's basically a
Speaker 1: two horse race. But Raheem Morris had comments at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the season when asked why coaching staff was
Speaker 1: so large, and he said, because we're going to win,
Speaker 1: and when guys get hired off of our staff, we
Speaker 1: will have replacements already on them. It's like, Rahiem, I
Speaker 1: like you and obviously you've resurrected your career making comments
Speaker 1: like let's just this leak's really hard. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: ask Andy Reid asked, you know, Jim harrboss John Hart, like,
Speaker 1: come on, let's just take a deep breath before you
Speaker 1: start kind of pumping his chest out. And your quarterback's
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, who's we've all come around on and then
Speaker 1: he tore his achilles, and, like you said, when that
Speaker 1: happened in real time, the pick six, it just looked
Speaker 1: like a normal out route the guy jumped. When I
Speaker 1: saw the replay a little later, You're right, it felt
Speaker 1: like the ball floated in the air extra long. I mean,
Speaker 1: even the dB kind of had to stop, and then
Speaker 1: you had to Here's the thing though, I got. I
Speaker 1: got a text from Daniel Jeremiah, who calls the games
Speaker 1: with Matt mney Smith, and he said, Harbaugh's out here
Speaker 1: winning games with defensive players and cast offs that most
Speaker 1: people couldn't point out of the lineup. Hashtag coaching matters.
Speaker 1: Yeah this, I had to immediately google that player who
Speaker 1: had the pick six, who was a fifth round pick, Like,
Speaker 1: that's not Derwin James, who also had the game winning pick.
Speaker 1: But you know, some of these plays are being made
Speaker 1: by randoms. Lad mccaukey is a good young player. He
Speaker 1: is their go to wife sees and this team is
Speaker 1: about to win eleven games. I think Jim Harbaugh like
Speaker 1: Andy Reid and Bill you know, Bill Belichick, probably it's
Speaker 1: hard to ever surpass the six Super Bulls too. As
Speaker 1: an assistant. Andy probably ends up with another one. You know,
Speaker 1: four super Bowls he won was an assistant. Like these
Speaker 1: guys are all time, like Lombardi levels. How many coaches
Speaker 1: can just go back and Jimmy Johnson college college pros
Speaker 1: never left. Jim goes dominates College, comes to the pros, dominates,
Speaker 1: goes back to college, wins the national championship, comes back
Speaker 1: to the pros and wins it. Who could do that? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't see who has that pitch? Yeah, like most
Speaker 1: guys really thrive in one. He's coming and now he's
Speaker 1: in his style, like he has a specific way of
Speaker 1: playing his sport and it not only translates, it immediately dominates.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were.
Speaker 1: Four interceptions against a guy that just got one hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars and made him look like a third string quarterball.
Speaker 2: Well, and also Jim does it with culture, so his
Speaker 2: fastball is culture. You know, he is what Ohio States
Speaker 2: Ryan Day isn't, which is Ryan Day. The schemes are fine,
Speaker 2: but he what is Ohio State? You immediately I can
Speaker 2: remember when he was at Stanford hardball goes in as
Speaker 2: a forty point dog at the coliseum, beats Pete Carroll
Speaker 2: and I mean they had like a confrontation at midfield
Speaker 2: and it was like he made Pete was reeling. It
Speaker 2: was like, what in the hell? This is before they
Speaker 2: got good. And I can remember like his second year.
Speaker 2: I was talking to a friend. He was at Stanford.
Speaker 2: Stanford he replaced I believe, Buddy Stevens. They were a mess.
Speaker 2: And I remember this because it was about the second
Speaker 2: year and Pete Carroll was still in the conference and
Speaker 2: I said, you're going to think I'm crazy. They're the
Speaker 2: most physical team in the conference Stanford by year two
Speaker 2: and nobody was paying attention to him. Then what he's
Speaker 2: doing with the Chargers. They are so physical and he
Speaker 2: also I was talking to Jordan Schultz the other day.
Speaker 2: You know, his dad's Howard Schultz, Starbucks founder.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, what's your dad's greatest strength? And he said,
Speaker 2: my dad's a really great delegator. His ego wasn't in control.
Speaker 2: He hired really good people and he delegated. And I've
Speaker 2: heard that before from really good CEOs. Harbaugh does that,
Speaker 2: like with his general manager with Jesse Mentor. He knows
Speaker 2: what he doesn't know, and what he does know, He's
Speaker 2: relentless and attacks you watch this Charger team, it is
Speaker 2: I mean the other thing like Brandon Staley may never
Speaker 2: get another job. I mean he will never get another
Speaker 2: head coaching job. It's the same players. In fact, I'd
Speaker 2: argue it's worse because they don't have Keenan Allen, Mike Williams,
Speaker 2: have no playmakers.
Speaker 1: It's it's much worse. You know, by the way, on
Speaker 1: Jordan's dad Howard the Acquired podcast with Howard Schultz on
Speaker 1: how he built Starbucks, it's basically just him talking to
Speaker 1: these two guys from start to finish how they built Starbucks. Amazing. Listen,
Speaker 1: they are much worse. Keenan Allen just had a couple
Speaker 1: of touchdowns on Thanksgiving? Still a good player. What would
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen? What would they do? And listen, I know
Speaker 1: they chose they had to and who did Harbach shoes?
Speaker 1: The two guys in the trenches? What did he do
Speaker 1: with the first pick? You know? Part of what I think.
Speaker 1: You see a lot of this and the Giants got
Speaker 1: crushed for this, and we've talked about this over and over.
Speaker 1: They have a clear identity of what they want and
Speaker 1: what they need. There's no guessing game. They're not just
Speaker 1: feeling it out as they go. You know, go back
Speaker 1: to the Michigan game, which Michigan's best players are still
Speaker 1: Harball's guys, those defensive linemen, especially those defensive tackles, and
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman like he knows. Go back to Stanford,
Speaker 1: where did they start dominating before Andrew Luck showed up
Speaker 1: offensive linemen and running backs and he wore people out?
Speaker 1: And that what is how he doing right now with
Speaker 1: the E Jalen Hurts is not thrown for form. He
Speaker 1: doesn't look like Joe Burrow. He's not throwing for three
Speaker 1: hundred fifty yards a game. They are hammering you, They're
Speaker 1: wearing you down. Even the Ravens who have all their
Speaker 1: defensive line men. Every team in the league would line
Speaker 1: up to sign all of them, and they just get
Speaker 1: worn down over time. Why because I got a first
Speaker 1: round or a right tackle, I got a second round
Speaker 1: or a right guard, I got a center that I
Speaker 1: drafted in the second round. I got a left tackle
Speaker 1: that was a former first round pick. You know, you
Speaker 1: just go down the and it's just the hardballs, the
Speaker 1: same thing. And everyone thought he was crazy when he
Speaker 1: took all number five's, Like you need wide receivers. He's like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you guys talking about? At the
Speaker 1: tip of my spear is my offensive lineman. And that's
Speaker 1: coming from a former quarterback. And I think a lot
Speaker 1: of guys pivot from their strategy, you know, and he
Speaker 1: never did. He never did. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's just full on belief in himself, if it's just
Speaker 1: the only way he knows, but a lot of guys
Speaker 1: would have got scared off at different points in time.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at Ohio State, They've completely revamped. They're
Speaker 1: much more of a spread slinging around. That's not the
Speaker 1: ohiuse faith has dominated my entire life. Yeah, and you know, Harbaugh,
Speaker 1: this team like they have a ceiling obviously because it's
Speaker 1: the NFL, and you know they only have so many guys.
Speaker 1: But what he's they won five games last year, five
Speaker 1: games to pick Kirk. I mean that might have ended
Speaker 1: Kirk cousins Atlantic career. I would like pet my life
Speaker 1: savings on it. But well, I mean there's a decent
Speaker 1: chance that by Monday or Tuesday, it's like Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: has They're gonna try Michael Panix this week, right.
Speaker 2: And by the way, if that works. It's very Flacco
Speaker 2: to Lamar Jackson. Where Flacco started has had like a
Speaker 2: rough three week stretch or four week stretch, and they
Speaker 2: said we're going to go with Lamar. If I recall
Speaker 2: what happened, they went with Lamar in week eleven is
Speaker 2: a rookie year. Well, Pennix would go in like week
Speaker 2: thirteen or fourteen. That I had never had a problem
Speaker 2: with Kirk Cousins. Michael wasn't ready. Kirk Cousins gets you
Speaker 2: to six and six, you lead the division, he pivots out.
Speaker 2: You segue to Michael Pennix, who's been able to now
Speaker 2: sit and learn from pretty good OC. I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: surprised if Pix went in. You don't know how to
Speaker 2: defend him. Nobody's got tape on him. You have no
Speaker 2: idea what to do with him.
Speaker 1: My issue, and I know you and a lot of
Speaker 1: people you know the quarterback position, quadrupling down on it.
Speaker 1: My issue with it was Michael Pennix. At the time
Speaker 1: free agency hit people. A lot of people didn't think
Speaker 1: he was the first round pick, so they had the
Speaker 1: eighth overall pick. So if they really did love him
Speaker 1: as much as they ended up loving him, they would
Speaker 1: have known they could acquire him. Why not allocate your
Speaker 1: resources help give Sam Darnold eighteen million dollars for one year?
Speaker 1: Ye Like, I think it shows a little haphazard. They
Speaker 1: kind of fell the coaches fell in love with him
Speaker 1: more in April and they had already signed Cousins. Because
Speaker 1: now you're in this weird spot because has had a
Speaker 1: lot of leverage when he signed there. He has a
Speaker 1: no trade clause. Now if he's not going to start
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, it's not like he wouldn't waive that,
Speaker 1: but his value clearly is not as high as it
Speaker 1: just was this last offseason. Games like that, you know
Speaker 1: who's you're just basically offloading him, and you know your owner,
Speaker 1: which is not the GM or coaches money, but gave
Speaker 1: him a lot of cash and impacts your salary cap.
Speaker 1: So it's just you're now six and six, and who's
Speaker 1: picking them in the first round against Green Bay or Minnesota,
Speaker 1: I mean Hell or even Detroit not a soul. There'll
Speaker 1: be an underdog, yeah at home, won't they? In that game?
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Speaker 2: for game day. Seahawks twenty six, Jets twenty one Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers ninth straight loss. Seattle's now taking control of the
Speaker 2: NFC West. And by the way Seattle gave this game
Speaker 2: is weird. You had to watch it. So Seattle gino Smith.
Speaker 2: They had this weird red zone where they had seven
Speaker 2: tries from the five yard line and got zero points
Speaker 2: out of it. But it was really interesting. The Jets,
Speaker 2: by the way, John are in the running for the
Speaker 2: number one pick. So the Jags, Raiders, and Giants have
Speaker 2: two wins. New England, the Jets, the Titans, and I
Speaker 2: think it's Carolina have three wins because Carolina lost in overtime.
Speaker 2: We hadn't started this. The Jets are in the mix
Speaker 2: for the number one pick. But what was really interesting
Speaker 2: after the game, First, Aaron failed on another comeback drive
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. Okay, Darnold had another successful one. Baker,
Speaker 2: by the way, wins an overtime. Aaron has another. I
Speaker 2: think he's had six this year, A half dozen chances
Speaker 2: to win a game late it's been one or two plays.
Speaker 2: But what was interesting is Aaron missed a wide open
Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson in the end zone and it was a
Speaker 2: pretty pedestrian play. It would have given the Jets a
Speaker 2: twenty eight to seven lead. And on the road Seattle,
Speaker 2: I don't know if they have the firepower Becasauce Gardener
Speaker 2: was given DK metcalf troubles. I mean, he'd kind of
Speaker 2: taken him out. I don't know if the Seahawks win
Speaker 2: that game. And after the game, Aaron said, you know,
Speaker 2: it's always one play and I wanted to just go
Speaker 2: time out. It wasn't it was one play, it was
Speaker 2: your miss. And then by the way, he had a
Speaker 2: pick six. Remember right after that it was a pick
Speaker 2: six and it was like, okay, total game changer. But
Speaker 2: I when that happened, that pick six, I started writing
Speaker 2: notes down and I just said, where would I put
Speaker 2: Aaron right now in the league? And J McK and
Speaker 2: I have talked about this on the Hurt. He is
Speaker 2: not a top fifteen quarterback. I don't care what anybody says,
Speaker 2: Like I'm watching him, I don't trust him late. He's
Speaker 2: got a little mobility, not as much as most guys.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what you do with
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers this thing. I don't remember a great quarterback
Speaker 2: John ending a career like this, I mean farv Remember
Speaker 2: it was eight and three with the Jets, right, got hurt,
Speaker 2: he went to Minnesota and just tore the league up
Speaker 2: the next This is a really really I almost think
Speaker 2: it it. I mean, he's gonna be a Hall of Famer,
Speaker 2: but it's almost a legacy affecting like year, Like he
Speaker 2: is aged much faster than I thought.
Speaker 1: Well, a couple of things you need to cop Go
Speaker 1: to the NFL page, get the Leonard Williams highlight of
Speaker 1: that pick six and copy it and send it to
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley and say, you need more guys that look
Speaker 1: like this that you guys used to have. That's what
Speaker 1: you need, you know, I thought early in that game,
Speaker 1: when the Jets look good, yeah, I got it. The
Speaker 1: Jet's gonna blow these guys out. Well, they had a
Speaker 1: bye week, and what happens when like Steph Curry, Lebron
Speaker 1: James missed a couple of weeks, they usually look good
Speaker 1: when they come back. Why they're fresh, older guys. And
Speaker 1: as the game went on, he's an inaccurate player. You
Speaker 1: said top fifteen quarterback. I don't think he's a top
Speaker 1: twenty five quarterback. I mean he was twenty one to
Speaker 1: thirty nine. He's objectively inaccurate when you're watching, Yes, these balls.
Speaker 1: The Garrett Wilson play is one for I don't know
Speaker 1: up up until he tours Achilles, he would make with
Speaker 1: his eyes closed with his left hand, And there are
Speaker 1: other plays over the middle where again I don't know,
Speaker 1: he's not seeing ghosts. But he's so rattled and sporadic
Speaker 1: in the pocket because he knows he can't really run around.
Speaker 1: Early in the game he had a couple runs. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that looks like a little old Aaron. But as the
Speaker 1: game goes on, I don't know if it just kind
Speaker 1: of slows down a older guy. Then he doesn't move
Speaker 1: as well and inaccuracy, like one thing he dominated, he
Speaker 1: had an arm like Farv, yet he was accurate like
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. Now. I feel like when the ball's coming
Speaker 1: out of his hands, he doesn't know where it's going.
Speaker 1: And I think he was so pinpoint accurate. I mean
Speaker 1: that's separated. When he was with Green Bay, he would
Speaker 1: hit these guys in the hands on every different route,
Speaker 1: whether it was short, intermediate, or long. And now you're
Speaker 1: watching these balls on pretty basic like over the middle,
Speaker 1: crossing routes, guys reaching behind them getting destroyed over the middle.
Speaker 1: I just think I don't know all the body mechanics,
Speaker 1: but from the achilles if he doesn't trust his lower body.
Speaker 1: There have been stories about him being banged up, which
Speaker 1: I'm sure like no one's ever questioned, like Aaron's tough,
Speaker 1: Like Aaron's been getting hit hard for a long time,
Speaker 1: Like no one's question he got destroyed. Honestly, I was like,
Speaker 1: is he gonna get up?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And like it's not The toughness is not his problem.
Speaker 1: I think his skills now are like tangibly deteriorating. And
Speaker 1: that's where you know, you go back and forth about
Speaker 1: him playing next year. I just think that the new
Speaker 1: coach and the new GM, whoever comes in, you are
Speaker 1: going to want a fresh start. And if you're Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: are you gonna want to keep going through this? You know?
Speaker 1: I think Schlareth has been saying this for years. Every
Speaker 1: player with their salt notices themselves first on film and
Speaker 1: goes this is hard to watch right before your career ends.
Speaker 1: You're like, that is that me? That's not me? That
Speaker 1: can't be me, And Aaron has to watch. I mean
Speaker 1: this is one of what do you think, top five
Speaker 1: talents of all time at that position. Yeah, and now
Speaker 1: he's making plays that people that he's been laughing at
Speaker 1: for decade and a half. He can't even come close.
Speaker 1: He missed the Garrett Wilson one, which is bad for him.
Speaker 1: I think it's more of the basic routes that his
Speaker 1: receivers are missing behind. He doesn't know where they're going
Speaker 1: and it's tough to watch. And this team, they are
Speaker 1: no lock to win any game, any game.
Speaker 2: You know, he's aging like Dan Marino. So and I
Speaker 2: have compared Marino and Aaron Rodgers because esthetically they're just
Speaker 2: beautiful throwers of the football. But at the end, Marino
Speaker 2: couldn't move, his legs were shot. He wasn't putting in
Speaker 2: the time. I mean he did when Jimmy Johnson got there.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't show up for off season workouts and he
Speaker 2: wouldn't show up. Well, Aaron is going to Egypt. I mean,
Speaker 2: Aaron's doing his own thing. And when you're told how
Speaker 2: beautiful you throw a football, and how great you are?
Speaker 2: Yet Brady, even as he was winning Super Bowls in New England,
Speaker 2: people said, well, he's a system quarterback. System quarterback. Patrick
Speaker 2: Mahomes constantly hears, well it's Mahomes or it's Andy Reid.
Speaker 2: I mean, Mahomes is great, we know that, but I mean,
Speaker 2: let's be honest. Mahomes starts a lot of bad picks.
Speaker 2: He's got the smartest coach, Travis Kelcey and that stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, or Lamar Jackson, you're not a good passer,
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, you can't beat Mahomes. It motivates these guys.
Speaker 2: Aaron was basically told for fifteen years you are the
Speaker 2: You're better than Brady. Marino was told for years, you're
Speaker 2: actually better than Elway. And I think you're human. I think,
Speaker 2: if you know, I've always been driven by the critics,
Speaker 2: not by you know, positive press or whatever. So I
Speaker 2: think Aaron hasn't put the time in. And I think
Speaker 2: you can tell how hard people work. Like Drew Brees
Speaker 2: at the end had lost his deep ball. He was
Speaker 2: crazy accurate, he was tremendous Maligne of scrimmage. Drew Brees
Speaker 2: slowly gradually eroded Aaron has gone off a cliff big Ben,
Speaker 2: by the way, not known as the hardest off season
Speaker 2: workout guy got old really fat. Cam Newton aged very quickly,
Speaker 2: I Aaron reminds me of Marino, like he is just
Speaker 2: not he is, I said, top fifteen. I mean, if
Speaker 2: I said to you, I'll name a quarterback and you
Speaker 2: tell me if you take this quarterback or Aeron Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnald Donald, You're you're gonna struggle the name. Guys,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: I last three weeks, Bryce Young.
Speaker 1: Bryce Young, I've watched some Caroline has played well for
Speaker 1: a month.
Speaker 2: That's right, because him, No, he's played great. No, So
Speaker 2: you're you're you're with me on this. I I just
Speaker 2: don't think. I think he's been adored for so long
Speaker 2: he hasn't put the time in. And now you can
Speaker 2: see it. By the way, since Robert Sala been has
Speaker 2: been fired, the Mets have two wins and the Jets
Speaker 2: have one. That tells you that tells you about Robert
Speaker 2: sala being fired. What a catastrophically dumb move it was.
Speaker 1: I think his whole game, I mean, I would say
Speaker 1: his pass when you close your eyes. You think Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: it's backpedaling off the back foot and throwing a dart.
Speaker 1: Where when you think Brady and Manning his you know,
Speaker 1: when you think the three guys of his era, it
Speaker 1: was Brady, Manning, and Rogers. Two guys had nothing in
Speaker 1: common with the other. I mean, Tom Brady once said
Speaker 1: football is the most unique sport. I couldn't play any
Speaker 1: other position in high school, let all, in the NFL,
Speaker 1: they didn't move outside of a couple of yard radius.
Speaker 1: It's why they practice fundamentals. If you went to a
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay practice when Tom Brady was forty five years
Speaker 1: old and showed up for the first twenty minutes, he's
Speaker 1: in a full on sweat practicing his footwork. Well, Aaron
Speaker 1: never had you because he could always get away with that.
Speaker 1: It's like a basketball player who's the best athlete in
Speaker 1: the league, who's not a great shooter. Now, Aaron technically was,
Speaker 1: but once the athletic ability deteriorates, you're in major trouble
Speaker 1: if your fundamentals aren't great. Right, Chris Paul's never been
Speaker 1: that fast, so he's always been able to play a
Speaker 1: certain style. Brady and Manning, Manning fell off a cliff
Speaker 1: because his arm, like Drew Brees, did not work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not because he didn't know everything to do. Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: doesn't play like those guys, and you watch him play
Speaker 1: now the way he's kind of willy nilly was his
Speaker 1: foot Jordan Love is a carbon copy of him. But
Speaker 1: Jordan Love in the prime of his career right now,
Speaker 1: that arm it fires out. You're like, geez, Jordan Love's
Speaker 1: got a host. Yeah, Aaron's arm, you know, to let's
Speaker 1: face here, just a little older. It's not as great.
Speaker 1: And whether it's again the biomechanics of his lower body
Speaker 1: with the achilles not being the same, doesn't it's just off.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't sit in there and work his footwork
Speaker 1: like Peyton Manning, Drew Brees or Tom Brady because he's
Speaker 1: never had to, and that was always the knock. And
Speaker 1: the one year he had a bad season, you know,
Speaker 1: the McCarthy year, the McCarthy got fired, and then his
Speaker 1: last year with Lafleur, he kind of gets off doing
Speaker 1: his own thing, and when he gets a little off,
Speaker 1: the fundamentals go out the window with him. They never
Speaker 1: ever Peyton Manning sucked because he could not throw in
Speaker 1: his shoulder let him down, not because his footwork and
Speaker 1: his body was off in the pocket. Same thing with you,
Speaker 1: Same thing with Tom. At the end, Thomas didn't want
Speaker 1: to get hit. Don't blame him. Forty five years old.
Speaker 1: Aaron's mechanics and and I would say, fundamentals are just
Speaker 1: not good. They never have. Yeah, and he got away
Speaker 1: with it. And now it's you're watching them. I have
Speaker 1: a hard time seeing him play next year. And listen,
Speaker 1: I understand not many jobs, no jobs unless you're like
Speaker 1: the CEO of Apple are gonna pay forty plus million
Speaker 1: dollars a year. But he's made a lot of money
Speaker 1: and now he's getting peppered. He's forty years old. Who's
Speaker 1: going to trade for him? If the Jets don't want him? Like,
Speaker 1: what are really his options? Like it's it's probably a
Speaker 1: situation that you don't even have a chance to win
Speaker 1: in the summer. Like it's pretty clear. So I if
Speaker 1: I had to guess, right now, we're the last We're
Speaker 1: down the home stretch of Aaron Rodgers playing NFL football.
Speaker 2: I want to go back to Thursday and talk about
Speaker 2: one team. So the Chicago Bears, ibra Flus has been
Speaker 2: fired off that insane, egregiously bad coaching snafoo. So I
Speaker 2: saw Caleb Williams Saturday. I went to the Notre Dame
Speaker 2: USC Gamet in jen Co in the athletic director's box.
Speaker 2: He was there, so was his dad. I said hi
Speaker 2: to Caleb and talked to his dad for a second.
Speaker 2: Remember before the draft, I went on the air and
Speaker 2: I said, you know, I've heard Caleb's got some reservations
Speaker 2: about the Bears, but he didn't want to be the
Speaker 2: bad guy. And the next day Caleb came out and said, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: not true. I'm going to go to the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to go to the Chicago Bears. Well,
Speaker 2: the truth is Caleb didn't want to hurt his advertising market,
Speaker 2: his influencer market, and he was going to be a
Speaker 2: good soldier. But I trusted my source is that you know,
Speaker 2: you can't look at the Bears an educated, reasonable person,
Speaker 2: and that's Caleb can't look at the Bears and go
Speaker 2: this is a great place to go. And you're seeing
Speaker 2: basically what we predicted. I was told in the last
Speaker 2: month by an NFLG he thought the mccaskeys were the
Speaker 2: worst owners Bidwell's second, mccaskey's the worst. They're some of
Speaker 2: the poorest, just an odd group. The guy the president
Speaker 2: is a former Big ten president. You know, a lot
Speaker 2: of opinions. Not great on the details. I've been told
Speaker 2: Eber flews over his skis. Ryan Poles has done okay,
Speaker 2: there's been I love the Montese sweat move. I love
Speaker 2: that move. Chase Claypool people take swings and mess I'm
Speaker 2: not going to judge him some of his drafting. Jalen Johnson.
Speaker 2: I like the Keenan Allen pickup. I talked to Cole
Speaker 2: Comett this weekend. He was in the box with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2: There's I don't know if.
Speaker 1: Pole's extended Poles extended commit I mean he's there for
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I don't know if he drafted him, but
Speaker 2: he extended him. But this organization, what is happening now
Speaker 2: is what Caleb and any reasonable person feared is then.
Speaker 2: I thought Caleb was good enough. He was the only
Speaker 2: quarterback in this draft. Like Andrew, luck didn't get the
Speaker 2: right GM, an impulsive owner, his coach got fired battle line.
Speaker 2: He was good enough and Andrew. Now, I don't think
Speaker 2: Caleb's as good as Andrew Luck as a prospect, but
Speaker 2: I thought he was one of these top ten prospects.
Speaker 2: But the difference is this division is so damn good.
Speaker 2: Is as good as Caleb is. I'm sorry again. Minnesota
Speaker 2: is well run. They don't have Super Bowls. I've always
Speaker 2: felt they're pretty well run. Green Bay's exceptionally run. Detroit
Speaker 2: now is well run. I worry that Caleb Williams is
Speaker 2: going to just be stuck having to compensate for an
Speaker 2: organization that's arguably the weakest in the league because that
Speaker 2: Andrew Berry is a very good GM in Cleveland. We
Speaker 2: don't love the ownership, but we like the coach and
Speaker 2: the GM. I have a feeling here that Bears right now,
Speaker 2: along with Carolina and people like Dan Morgan as they
Speaker 2: don't love Temper, are the Bears the most dysfunctional franchise
Speaker 2: in the league.
Speaker 1: It has to be right up there. I mean, I
Speaker 1: personally have always thought, once you have a lot of
Speaker 1: money and you run a business and you still are
Speaker 1: really cheap on things that really matter, like you kind
Speaker 1: of have a disease Cincinnati business back. Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: see this in all walks of life, even outside of football.
Speaker 1: Like eventually you got a pivot like Walmart. Sam Walton
Speaker 1: was notoriously very cheap. There came a point in time
Speaker 1: where you had to pivot with some of the big
Speaker 1: expenses with the company. And there are stories this weekend
Speaker 1: and I gobbled up everything ABRAF loose, the firing of them.
Speaker 1: When they interview coaches, they fly them out and they
Speaker 1: put them in coach And I had a buddy in
Speaker 1: the NFL that said when they were interviewing gms, they
Speaker 1: put them all in like a shuttle. I mean, just
Speaker 1: things that in the NFL, in college football at the
Speaker 1: highest level that are just viewed like any industry, there
Speaker 1: are certain standards for the highest level of your CEO,
Speaker 1: for your head coach. That is pretty embarrassing. And this,
Speaker 1: this is a franchise. This guy a chiropractor at the
Speaker 1: gym who just whenever I see him, he loves this
Speaker 1: Sunday show with me and you. He've found me through you,
Speaker 1: and he's a diehard Bears guy. And he was hammering,
Speaker 1: you know, the Kevin Warren situation, and he's like, people
Speaker 1: don't realize this franchise has been owned by this family
Speaker 1: since the twenties. I would imagine for sixty seventy years,
Speaker 1: the economics of the league. For the McCaskey, you know,
Speaker 1: Papa Hall was a little different than it's become the
Speaker 1: last twenty twenty five years. But philosophically, their thoughts on
Speaker 1: everything have kind of been engraved, you know, from their grandparents,
Speaker 1: Like the way they think about this. Hell the is
Speaker 1: it the grandma or whatever. Virginia McCaskey is like one
Speaker 1: hundred years old. Did you think she've used things like
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Luriy and Howie Roseman, or like Less Sneed and
Speaker 1: Dan Cronkey. How can she compete against that? Jed York's
Speaker 1: forty five years old, run around with Silicon Valley people.
Speaker 2: How about this? We knew that Al Davis was a
Speaker 2: pioneer in a visionary and in the last ten years
Speaker 2: got really murky and bad. Jerry Jones Visionary Maverick last
Speaker 2: six to eight years as a bad roster. So those
Speaker 2: guys weren't I mean, that was an eight to ten
Speaker 2: year stretchery or uncomfortable. I feel like Chicago's been like
Speaker 2: this for twenty five years.
Speaker 1: And I think whenever you have ownership that doesn't know
Speaker 1: what they're doing, Kevin Warren is kind of reported this
Speaker 1: morning that he's running point on the coaching search and
Speaker 1: Ryan Poles will assist him. Callin that is insanity. This
Speaker 1: is a guy that was hired to run the business
Speaker 1: and get them a stadium. You know the geography of
Speaker 1: Chicago better than me. But it again through my buddy
Speaker 1: said that they basically laid it all out for him
Speaker 1: in the suburbs and they want to stay in the city.
Speaker 1: Get everything's there for them. They already owned the land.
Speaker 1: It's like, that's you got to get the stadium built,
Speaker 1: not hire the coach that that should be Ryan Pole's
Speaker 1: job and the owner. But the owners want no part
Speaker 1: of it because they don't know what they're doing. And
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty sad. And this is where in the NFL,
Speaker 1: Like Caleb was in a tough spot. This has gone
Speaker 1: worse than I didn't think it was gonna go well,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't even view him as a playoff team.
Speaker 1: It's obviously been way worse. You know his report today,
Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson lost it on ebra Flus as he just
Speaker 1: gave his postgame. You know, hey, guys is ad versus me.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, this We're not given the the cliche
Speaker 1: speech anymore in here, Matt and he should have been
Speaker 1: fired in January. Absolute, he should have been fired in
Speaker 1: January because now you're repeating the same thing over and over.
Speaker 1: But who's it's interesting, you go, who's gonna want this job? Actually,
Speaker 1: on paper, it's a pretty good job. They got a
Speaker 1: lot of players and a GM that comes from Kansas
Speaker 1: City who's a former offensive lineman. I do think the
Speaker 1: Kevin Warren thing is as big of a red flag
Speaker 1: if I have to answer ebra Flus and Ryan Poles
Speaker 1: this year answered to him, not the owner. Like Mike
Speaker 1: Vrabel's hanging up. He's not answering to Kevin Warren. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Bill I don't. They probably wouldn't even interview them. Ben
Speaker 1: Johnson's gonna have enough leverage, Like I'm not answering to
Speaker 1: the team president that does not own the team. You
Speaker 1: know in Denver Penner who is married into the Walton family,
Speaker 1: it's like it's all the same umbrella. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I answer to him. He is the family rights, this
Speaker 1: is this guy's an independent. This guy could be fired
Speaker 1: tomorrow Kevin Warren. And if I'm Vrabel, I have to
Speaker 1: answer to him, who I don't think knows anything about football. Remember,
Speaker 1: he was the guy leading the charge to cancel football
Speaker 1: up through the middle of August, and it wasn't for
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh and CJ. Stroud in the Big Ten, he
Speaker 1: would have canceled football. And I know there's tumultuous times,
Speaker 1: especially depending on where you live, but that's something that
Speaker 1: to me, that's why Jim Harball, Like Jim Harbaugh was
Speaker 1: never working with him last year, a lot of people
Speaker 1: thought that they could hire him, and I just think
Speaker 1: the Bears, man they are. That's gotta be one of
Speaker 1: the more embarrassing three or four game stretches that I
Speaker 1: ever remember. Like I saw some bad Jim Thomps Suley
Speaker 1: you know, that year, but he didn't have specific aims
Speaker 1: over and oh it was just a bad like a joke.
Speaker 1: But these specific moments on Thanksgiving. I mean, how many
Speaker 1: people were watching that game? Twenty five million? The clock
Speaker 1: just kept tickting.
Speaker 2: What's going on here? It's the worst situational coaching I've
Speaker 2: ever seen in my life. Not first of all, rookie
Speaker 2: quarterback against Detroit short week, but throw them a life preserver,
Speaker 2: like if it's year three. I'm on Caleb's ass. He
Speaker 2: is a rookie on a short week on the road.
Speaker 2: Call a time out. You can see him. Everybody's flailing.
Speaker 1: I had a lot of scouting buddies crushing Caleb, like
Speaker 1: you know. He's the quarterback twenty one, twenty two years old,
Speaker 1: short week, late in December, never played this long, probably exhausted,
Speaker 1: had led them back. Yes, right, that's the coach. He's
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator. He does nothing on offense. His only
Speaker 1: job is to watch the clock. Clearly they're discombobulated.
Speaker 2: They should they should have.
Speaker 1: He should have called the clock the moment he hit
Speaker 1: his knee, hit the ground, sacked. It was a no brainer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and honestly I was prize they fired him, weren't you?
Speaker 1: Or was it just so bad they had no choice?
Speaker 1: I expect the Bears have played out the rest of
Speaker 1: the year.
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Speaker 2: go to Michigan thirteen, Ohio State ten. We have to
Speaker 2: talk about a couple of college football situations. So I
Speaker 2: did not think. I think this is the biggest in
Speaker 2: the history of this rivalry. It's got to be the
Speaker 2: biggest upset. Michigan passed for sixty two yards, had two
Speaker 2: picks on the road, and still won. I mean, Michigan
Speaker 2: hasn't thrown the ball at Michigan's a very easy team
Speaker 2: to defend. They can't pass. You could be hyper aggressive.
Speaker 2: So I thought one of the things I compared today
Speaker 2: in my car, I did a little thing on Twitter.
Speaker 2: I compared Ryan Day, the Ohio State coach. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: fire him, but there's a clear whole. He's Mark Ricked.
Speaker 2: So Mark rick had been a quarterback coach like Day,
Speaker 2: was an offensive coordinator like Day, and then got a
Speaker 2: blue blood job. And I always felt when watching Georgia
Speaker 2: under Mark Richt, he had several top ten finishes in
Speaker 2: the big games. You never felt they got the most
Speaker 2: out of the roster. And that's exactly how I feel
Speaker 2: about Ryan Day is that he can recruit like Ricked.
Speaker 2: He's a nice guy like Ricked. But those Georgia teams
Speaker 2: never had an identity. They just had really good players.
Speaker 2: Even when they had like I think Matt Stafford he
Speaker 2: had like he would have. They would they would have
Speaker 2: moments and you'd be like, Oh, this team's the best
Speaker 2: in the country. And they won a lot of big games.
Speaker 2: He won three out of four games he coaches, and
Speaker 2: Ryan Day wins by out of six games he coaches.
Speaker 2: But they have no identity. And I thought that game.
Speaker 2: Here's my take. So Ryan Day is one of those
Speaker 2: guys that you know Urban Meyer. He went to Bowling Green,
Speaker 2: he went at Utah, he went at Florida. By the
Speaker 2: time he gets to Ohio State, he has got a
Speaker 2: lot of confidence. His shit works, Jim Harbaugh, My ship works, right,
Speaker 2: Ryan Day, What does he fall back on? So remember
Speaker 2: when he got really defense, when old Lou Holtz took
Speaker 2: a shot at him and they won a game. In
Speaker 2: a post game, he takes a shot at rickety old
Speaker 2: blue holes and I'm like, wait a minute, Well, why
Speaker 2: do you care about that? Because he doesn't have a
Speaker 2: history of success Mark Rick did. Neither is that when
Speaker 2: you you know, save Michigan State, LSU, Alabama, NFL, people
Speaker 2: can take shots at you. You have a formula that works.
Speaker 2: Ryandy doesn't have a formula that works. He's two and
Speaker 2: foreign bulls. He can't beat Michigan now four years in
Speaker 2: a row. And I thought the game plan was fascinating. John.
Speaker 2: He was trying to prove how tough Ohio State was
Speaker 2: in the first half. Say, bro, you have major matchup
Speaker 2: advantages at wide receiver. He wanted to prove. Hey, people
Speaker 2: say we're not this this game's always decided by rushing yards.
Speaker 2: I'm going to approve. I'm gonna low this hole. I
Speaker 2: can't coach tough football teams. Because he got very defensive
Speaker 2: with Lou Holtz questioning that and this is Ryan Day
Speaker 2: and we'll get into Lincoln Riley in a second. He's
Speaker 2: a little lost when you start worrying about voices outside
Speaker 2: the building and narratives, and it starts changing your game plan.
Speaker 2: Their first half game plan was embarrassing, Like what was it?
Speaker 2: He was trying to prove we can win tough, just
Speaker 2: win the damn game.
Speaker 1: You know, I've had this theory with politics for a
Speaker 1: while that sometimes the media is detrimental to candidates and
Speaker 1: a certain party. And I think, you know, CNN and
Speaker 1: MSNBC writer in the headlines a lot, a lot that
Speaker 1: no one's watching them anymore. They're losing a lot of viewership,
Speaker 1: but their clips go viral and I'm on a million
Speaker 1: text chains that see them constantly, and they're constantly lecturing
Speaker 1: people that whether it was Biden's cognitive ability or the
Speaker 1: Kamala was a great candidate. And eventually the people are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just come on right, pump the bricks. And I think
Speaker 1: for a long time there has been a media apparatus
Speaker 1: that has told everybody, you, Ohio State fans are lunatics.
Speaker 1: Get lectured them that they're lunatics. And this guy is
Speaker 1: ex look at his record, and it's like, guys, most
Speaker 1: human beings now over thirty years old have been alive
Speaker 1: long enough to see Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban
Speaker 1: Kirk Kirby smart dabble like they know what a really
Speaker 1: good coach looks like. They also know that the Big Ten,
Speaker 1: beside a team or two every once in a while,
Speaker 1: is not very good anymore. Most of these teams, like
Speaker 1: beating Nebraska and beating Minnesota when you're at Ohio State
Speaker 1: and you have unlimited resources, is not that impressive. So
Speaker 1: you are basically paid to beat Penn State, Michigan and
Speaker 1: the other top teams that you play, whether it's Notre
Speaker 1: Dame or which you play in the playoffs and stuff.
Speaker 1: That's it, Like, no one, you get no credit for
Speaker 1: beating the shit out of Minnesota and Nebraska. Whoever you
Speaker 1: better win those games, but no one cares. It's like
Speaker 1: James Harden scoring fifty against Sacramento Kings in January, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no one puts any stock into that after
Speaker 1: a while, And I think everyone getting lectured constantly about
Speaker 1: Ryan Day. Ryan Days, like, guys, we've seen him in
Speaker 1: these big games and it's something's off, right, something's off,
Speaker 1: and in this game specifically right, the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: Harbaugh has had a team that was elite, so you
Speaker 1: get beat as happens, Kirby smarts losses.
Speaker 2: Last year, Michigan had better players than Ohio State.
Speaker 1: They had seventy guys drafted or whatever. This year. You
Speaker 1: we've all seen crazy games in college. We've seen twenty
Speaker 1: plus years insane. That to me, obviously, we've seen bigger
Speaker 1: outcomes like Vince Young that was a national championship game, right,
Speaker 1: or even Ohio State lost or won national in a
Speaker 1: regular season game. I think that's one of the craziest
Speaker 1: outcomes I've ever seen that entire life. It was start
Speaker 1: to finish because not a person in the world, especially
Speaker 1: a Michigan fan, would have bet on Michigan. And as
Speaker 1: the game was going, you kept thinking yourself, this can't
Speaker 1: be happening. But he tried to get into a heavyweight
Speaker 1: fight with the one thing Michigan can do, and Chips
Speaker 1: are to running up the middle. It's like they're two
Speaker 1: good players with the defensive tackles. You have three NFL guys.
Speaker 1: But I keep thinking that after the game and everyone's
Speaker 1: shitting on Ryan Day. It's like, well, they've been lectured
Speaker 1: for five years that he's a great coach, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting for him to beat another Like we
Speaker 1: don't care that he's beating James Franklin now four straight times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like you can't beat Michigan, which in this program clearly
Speaker 1: is borderline the equivalent of like the National title game
Speaker 1: at this point, and he loses against the other good
Speaker 1: teams when he plays him in big spots. So you're
Speaker 1: watching him and you go the cockiness the third base comment.
Speaker 1: Most guys that get those jobs. Jim Harbaugh to get
Speaker 1: the Michigan job, had to coach at San Diego Stanford
Speaker 1: and then win at the forty nine ers. You know,
Speaker 1: this guy had never been a head coach. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he got the job and handed to him by one
Speaker 1: of the greatest coaches of his era. So the Ohio
Speaker 1: State fans literally know what it looks like with Urban
Speaker 1: Meyer and you go, well, we're not that physical. We
Speaker 1: have this pass And here's I was thinking about this too,
Speaker 1: because I've been critical of this guy for a long time.
Speaker 1: And Starkesey is got Texas in the SEC championship year one,
Speaker 1: and I'm watching him last night and I went to
Speaker 1: watch him live. Sark takes this offensive guy like Ryan Day,
Speaker 1: Well he's also the play caller, so half the game
Speaker 1: is his baby, right and the program's his baby. But
Speaker 1: the play calling, well, Ryan Day is like turned into
Speaker 1: this CEO even though he's this offensive minded guy, has
Speaker 1: to hire Chip Kelly and you're watching him on offense
Speaker 1: just look terrible against a Michigan team. Their best corner
Speaker 1: Will Johnson, who might be like a top five pick.
Speaker 1: It's like Travis Hunter two point oh corner is out
Speaker 1: your slicing. I was like, what are you guys doing?
Speaker 1: Like you're supposed to be an offensive mind, get chips
Speaker 1: call in the plays, and then your team's not that tough.
Speaker 1: And I do think to look after the game where
Speaker 1: they plant the flag and he stands there and it
Speaker 1: just listen. They're in the playoffs, so you're not gonna
Speaker 1: fire him today. I don't see how this moves forward,
Speaker 1: I because I I think it's very possible that this
Speaker 1: type loss they could just lose immediately in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: depending on who they play. Do you think Ohio State
Speaker 1: fans And I'm an Ohio State hater. But if I
Speaker 1: was in their shoet, I'd be tired of being lectured
Speaker 1: constantly by and listen, I get it. Joe Klatt and
Speaker 1: all these guys at Ohio State is a huge part
Speaker 1: of the business, and they're awesome. I like washing them too,
Speaker 1: But like we have to riot day, like Kirby Smarts,
Speaker 1: the Nick Saban's like he's at Urban Myers. He's not
Speaker 1: even remotely on their level.
Speaker 2: No, he's not.
Speaker 1: He's not even debatable.
Speaker 2: No, no, he is much closer to Mark Rick who
Speaker 2: you know, George is better now without Mark Richt, who
Speaker 2: was a really nice guy. But they I mean, I
Speaker 2: had an NFL GM tell me years ago, he'd love
Speaker 2: drafting Georgia guys under Mark Richt, he goes, because they
Speaker 2: were He goes, if you drafted a Nick Saban guy
Speaker 2: at Bama, he'd already squeezed all the juice out of
Speaker 2: the player. He goes these Georgia guys like they still
Speaker 2: had two gears of shifting, you know, like there you
Speaker 2: were always like, oh, they're way better than you think.
Speaker 2: The Other thing is that the transfer portal and the
Speaker 2: NIL have actually created parody. When I was talking with
Speaker 2: a guy today who's a he runs a message board
Speaker 2: for Ohio State, and I said, you know, you used
Speaker 2: to be able to years ago when you had one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five scholarships and the John McKay era
Speaker 2: for US. See, you'd take like four running backs in
Speaker 2: the West Coast just to hog them, even if he
Speaker 2: didn't play him. And then we got down to eighty
Speaker 2: five scholarships. And you can still do a little bit
Speaker 2: of that. Nick Saban can do it. Kirby Smart Well,
Speaker 2: Now a backup left tackle at let's say Ohio State
Speaker 2: Louisville comes in and says, we'll pay it three hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. You're a starter for US, or a right
Speaker 2: tackle at Ohio State. Well, you want to be a
Speaker 2: left tackle and show that scouts that you know, whoever's
Speaker 2: got money. Whatever team A Texas A and M could say,
Speaker 2: come here, start at left tackle, so there's less depth
Speaker 2: and then an Ohio State could lose an elite offensive
Speaker 2: tackle where it's always been my whole life. The top
Speaker 2: programs have tour they have backups that would start except
Speaker 2: for there's a first round guy in front of them. Well,
Speaker 2: that guy now just goes and plays at a lesser
Speaker 2: program gone. And so if you have an injury, So
Speaker 2: let's say you're Georgia and you lose you know, brock Bowers,
Speaker 2: and then a tight end gets hurt and the other
Speaker 2: tight end who you had, he got purchased by Wake
Speaker 2: Forest or somebody or Oregon. Well, now your tight ends
Speaker 2: no better than the guy at Purdue. So these teams
Speaker 2: like Alabama and Georgia and Ohio State, if they have
Speaker 2: a key O line injury or a linebacker injury, they
Speaker 2: don't have great backups. Those guys have been purchased in
Speaker 2: the NIL to go to lesser programs. And I mean
Speaker 2: I know a program that was I mean Washington, I
Speaker 2: mean they were in the Harbaugh Michigan teams. They were like, Okay,
Speaker 2: who's not starting that we recruited. Who's a five star guy,
Speaker 2: who's behind a you know, a sophomore who's got two
Speaker 2: more years there? That's the game. Now.
Speaker 1: I think Ohio State though, if you look at this offseason,
Speaker 1: theos Well reported they spend twenty million. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: these numbers. Yeah, it could be twenty five, could be eighteen,
Speaker 1: could be twelve. You know, who knows the actual number.
Speaker 1: But They spent a lot relative and I think widely
Speaker 1: considered the most of any college football team, and they
Speaker 1: bought Ferraris. I mean, Caleb Downs would start for every
Speaker 1: NFL team immediately.
Speaker 2: He's great.
Speaker 1: You know. They bought multiple sweet players. And then they
Speaker 1: signed Kansas State's quarterback, who some believe was not going
Speaker 1: to be their starter anymore because the other kid that
Speaker 1: was coming up they played this year. They were going
Speaker 1: to go to him a little more dynamic. And you
Speaker 1: look and you go, well, shouldn't if you're gonna buy
Speaker 1: a Ferrari and a range Rover and not have a garage, like,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty risky move. You know, cam Ward was
Speaker 1: clearly the guy. But you go, Chip, Kelly, Ryan, day
Speaker 1: of it. They wouldn't really love cam Ward a little bit.
Speaker 1: You know. That's not really their type player, especially Chip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do his own thing, Will.
Speaker 1: Howard or Will Howard that's yeah, it was much more
Speaker 1: their type guy. And you watch Kyle McCord at Syracuse,
Speaker 1: who just take down Miami. He's had a pretty good year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they blamed everything on him last year and listen, he
Speaker 1: was up and down for him. But I think sometimes
Speaker 1: in this nil era, when you're paying people, especially quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: lot of money. You can start doing finger pointing, where
Speaker 1: in the history of the sport you would just give
Speaker 1: that guy a couple of years to be your starter
Speaker 1: and maybe that one year. You look back, you win
Speaker 1: the national championship. The next year and you go, we
Speaker 1: live through that. Look what Harbaugh did with JJ McCarthy
Speaker 1: and that crew of guys. They lost that devastating game
Speaker 1: to Tissue TCU. Right, it was hard to stomach. A
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Everyone came back and they won it. Well,
Speaker 1: now in the NIL era, if you like you're just
Speaker 1: pointing the finger, you make a couple guys transfer they're
Speaker 1: not good enough, you upgrade. You watch how could you
Speaker 1: lose a game where the opposing team If I told
Speaker 1: you at the start, how much money would you put
Speaker 1: on Ohio State? If they're starting quarterback through for sixty
Speaker 1: yards and through two picks, you'd be like, I bet
Speaker 1: they win the game forty to ten.
Speaker 2: I thought I predict to kill them. I thought it
Speaker 2: was going to be I honestly thought thirty eight to
Speaker 2: thirteen would be close. I thought it was gonna be
Speaker 2: a blowout.
Speaker 1: You just can't. You just can't fake toughness. And I've
Speaker 1: been around these coaches long enough and know these guys
Speaker 1: and these NFL teams and these programs. Some guys have
Speaker 1: it and some guys don't, and a small percentage truly
Speaker 1: have it, like Urban Meyer, Nick Saban. It's not about
Speaker 1: like your size or your coach, but you're like everyone
Speaker 1: when you walk into the room, they kind of they're
Speaker 1: their shoulders. Kirby clearly has it right. It's a small
Speaker 1: percentage of guys. And Ryan he's not bad, but he
Speaker 1: was also handed. I think the best program in the
Speaker 1: country with unlimited resources and will do whatever he wants.
Speaker 1: And they are regressing four straight times in Michigan. I
Speaker 1: think he's a loss. We'll see who they end up
Speaker 1: playing in the first round. Let's just say they play Tennessee.
Speaker 1: That if they play a team like and they lose,
Speaker 1: I mean, you, now, who are they going to hire?
Speaker 1: Like it's Mike Vrabel's not coming to college football in
Speaker 1: this era, right, So it's like, who you know? Do
Speaker 1: you hire the Iowa State coach? There's no it's you
Speaker 1: might just get the same thing, Like you're probably not
Speaker 1: getting Nick Saban or Urban Meyer. You know the version
Speaker 1: the next version of that. So you're just this is
Speaker 1: where they're kind of you know, it's not that bad,
Speaker 1: but it's clearly not good enough because if you can't
Speaker 1: get Michigan now, like you just beat a team that
Speaker 1: was so desperate they paid a kid twelve to fifteen
Speaker 1: million dollars to be their quarterback who's seventeen years old.
Speaker 1: That's the team you just lost to.
Speaker 2: All Right, I want to finish up USC Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: By the way, Marcus Freeman, the coach for Notre Dame,
Speaker 2: Peter Schrager is reporting this, and this is the second
Speaker 2: person I've heard it from. Marcus Freeman. The Chicago Bears
Speaker 2: are interested culture builder. So just throw that out there.
Speaker 2: That's being talked about in NFL circles. Notre Dame coach
Speaker 2: Marcus Freeman.
Speaker 1: Would you leave Notre Dame making ten million dollars a
Speaker 1: year to the Bears? No, if you had to.
Speaker 2: Answer to Kevin Mostly and I would not even know.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting. They can't get rid of Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 2: He had his contract turned over, so it's nine years,
Speaker 2: ninety million left. They just put three hundred million into
Speaker 2: the facilities. They're collectives up to eighteen million, so that
Speaker 2: it's not a money issue. They're collective is now to
Speaker 2: eighteen million dollars. I was told by an agent yesterday
Speaker 2: that's not it. But it's so they're not going to
Speaker 2: get rid of Lincoln. They're not going to do it us.
Speaker 2: He's not going to buy him out. It's not the
Speaker 2: SEC and his best talent is young, and their defensive
Speaker 2: line talent they've recruited the last two years is much better.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. But this goes back to the Ryan
Speaker 2: Day thing. So he was handed an Oklahoma program and
Speaker 2: the culture was set, and he was very clever. He
Speaker 2: was a better offensive guy than Stoops. So he goes
Speaker 2: to USC and he doesn't really have to build a
Speaker 2: culture because Caleb Williams is so much better than everybody
Speaker 2: else in the conference. And they win eleven game, should
Speaker 2: have beaten two lanes at a one to twelve. The
Speaker 2: following year, about halfway through, you're like, wow, they have
Speaker 2: to replace the defensive staff. He deserves credit for that.
Speaker 2: But if you I believe, and somebody said this to me,
Speaker 2: they said, he's getting Why isn't he replacing offensive coaches?
Speaker 2: They have one good, not great offensive tackle in the
Speaker 2: program three years in The backup left tackle is six
Speaker 2: two three ten. He's a center. They have one really
Speaker 2: nice draftable running back in three years he's leaving. They
Speaker 2: don't have a draftable defensive player on this team. I
Speaker 2: think Camari Ramsey, the safety's draftable next year. Notre Dame
Speaker 2: is a better football team, should have won. It's not that,
Speaker 2: but now we're going into year four. Forget the defense,
Speaker 2: which is better but not elite. They don't have enough
Speaker 2: good offensive town. This quarterback they have as a ham
Speaker 2: and egger. I mean he either he can't read the
Speaker 2: middle of the field or they don't trust him. Everything's
Speaker 2: up the sidelines, everything's bubble screen up the sideline. They
Speaker 2: don't throw the ball in the middle of the field.
Speaker 2: What I am hearing is he is alienated LA high
Speaker 2: school coaches. I mean they're LA recruiting stinks, so USC
Speaker 2: is trapped here. They can't buy him out. He's gotten
Speaker 2: stubborn on the offensive coaching where they're just not getting
Speaker 2: outside a receiver. They still have good enough players, forgettable
Speaker 2: running backs, forgettable tight ends, don't have any tackles outside
Speaker 2: of Elijah Paide left tackle. When they signed up to
Speaker 2: a ten year deal. You thought you were getting a steal.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 2: This is the first time i've really I look at
Speaker 2: it and I'm like, wait a minute. They're getting worse
Speaker 2: every six games from the beginning of Caleb's first year
Speaker 2: to the next six, to the beginning of year two
Speaker 2: to the last six. This team beat LSU at the
Speaker 2: end of the year the last three years. They're not
Speaker 2: a breaking football team. That is bad coaching.
Speaker 1: If I would have told you in August that they
Speaker 1: would have one more win on December first than UCLA,
Speaker 1: he would have said, John, put down the drugs. I
Speaker 1: thought UCLA was gonna win like two games this season.
Speaker 1: And honestly, it's not like they beat the brakes off them.
Speaker 1: That game probably could have gone either way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fourth quarter, it was close.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ucla being five and seven and you being six
Speaker 1: and six. What a disaster for the USC.
Speaker 2: UCLA has no money in their collective USC has eighteen million,
Speaker 2: So it's it's it's not a fair fight.
Speaker 1: Well, let's you know, we've talked about Ryan day he
Speaker 1: inherits Ohio state. The recruiting mechanism was already set in
Speaker 1: place like what Lincoln had in Oklahoma under Bob Stoops.
Speaker 1: It was already the guys flowing there. He just had
Speaker 1: to keep it rolling. And he's done that. It's why
Speaker 1: his disasters are ten and two. Everyone wants to fire him.
Speaker 1: Lincoln would die for that. Lincoln had to start it
Speaker 1: from scratch. To me, if you don't nail the best
Speaker 1: players in California, obviously the transfer portal has changed classes
Speaker 1: a little bit. That's pretty embarrassing. And I get this
Speaker 1: is not the Pete Heyday, but like, why do Kirby
Speaker 1: and Nick and the guys that win in the South
Speaker 1: wind because they nail the players in their region? Yes,
Speaker 1: and there it's harder because you have to recruit. If
Speaker 1: you're at LSU, at Georgia, at Alabama, you know, Florida
Speaker 1: ever got good Now Tennessee, you're all recruiting against each other.
Speaker 1: Like obviously Oregon has to come down to southern California,
Speaker 1: but you still have a huge advantage and everything. The
Speaker 1: nostalgia of the Reggie Bush of what it used to be,
Speaker 1: it's just gotta be gone. If you meet someone now
Speaker 1: and young people that work for you, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm around young people, like a twenty five year old
Speaker 1: was born in two thousand, right, so that guy in
Speaker 1: the heyday of Liner and Reggie and Lindel White was
Speaker 1: five or six years old. So those guys that are
Speaker 1: now eighteen years old, think about it. They were like
Speaker 1: the Clay Helton era. So this this nossalgia of what
Speaker 1: used to be exists to me and you or older people,
Speaker 1: not to the people that matter the most. And if
Speaker 1: you piss off these high school coaches, like the high
Speaker 1: school coaches are the lifeblood of someone's program because they
Speaker 1: funnel you guys. I mean they are very very important.
Speaker 1: Obviously now money's changed hands. But to me, sc like
Speaker 1: Caleb Downs whoever, that the equivalent of those type players
Speaker 1: every year they should it should be between Ohio State,
Speaker 1: USC and Texas like if they're not in on every
Speaker 1: and why Er Sark and Ohio State's roster are so
Speaker 1: good because they're buying all the sweet players who are available.
Speaker 1: And obviously they recruit really well. What is Lincoln gonna
Speaker 1: have a top ten recruiting class this year in the nation.
Speaker 2: Top twenty twelve with twelve to fourteen.
Speaker 1: And here's the problem. Ohio State, even with Ryan Day,
Speaker 1: is not going anywhere if they keep them for the
Speaker 1: next five years. They're gonna win ten or eleven games
Speaker 1: every year. Oregon clearly is going nowhere. And listen, we
Speaker 1: can Washington see what.
Speaker 2: James Jedfish can recruit. So jed Fish will get that
Speaker 2: puppy to nine wins fast.
Speaker 1: And I've heard that they did not use much nil
Speaker 1: money this year because they wanted to take a deep breath.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be blown it this year, so they will
Speaker 1: be aggressive and Penn State. We've already seen the stats
Speaker 1: over the last six years or seven years. If they
Speaker 1: would have the playoffs, they'd be in it every year.
Speaker 1: And the one thing James hangs his hat on is recruiting.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's one thing you say. James Franklin is
Speaker 1: great at recruiting, right in game coaching recruiting. So I
Speaker 1: you could argue this could just nothing could change, you know,
Speaker 1: six and six, maybe they're eight and four. But I
Speaker 1: don't know. They'd have to catch lightning in a bottle.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're ever going to see the
Speaker 1: Lincoln that they bought. I think this might be the
Speaker 1: new normal, you know, which is when you're paying that
Speaker 1: type of premium. What was that building? Was that a
Speaker 1: home game for Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: No, it was, it was seventy five, it was eighty
Speaker 2: twenty USC it was a.
Speaker 1: Notre Dame was I'm an apathetic group yet, but it's
Speaker 1: they've got to be pretty down right.
Speaker 2: The big apathy. The Big Ten saves them because the Nebraska's, Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan,
Speaker 2: Ohio State travels so well. That's what really saves them.
Speaker 2: They'll have good revenue because of their collective and let's
Speaker 2: be honest, twenty thousand Big Ten fans in the winter,
Speaker 2: they're going to LA to watch that game.
Speaker 1: To me, where you have no excuse, like, listen, you
Speaker 1: lose the Oregon, you lose Ohio State, like maybe you're
Speaker 1: not as good. You cannot be losing to the middle
Speaker 1: of the pack Maryland. And when you look at the
Speaker 1: middle of the pack and the Big Ten, what is
Speaker 1: the difference between UCLA and Rutgers and USC like that?
Speaker 1: That's that's what would really shake me if I was
Speaker 1: a USC fan, is we're not just middle of the pack.
Speaker 1: From a talent standpoint, When I watch him play, it
Speaker 1: looks the same. It's always been my defense of the SEC.
Speaker 1: It's like you just watched the SEC it's different, like ye,
Speaker 1: there's just more. Obviously Ohio State and Oregon have the equivalent,
Speaker 1: but the middle of the Big Ten and the middle
Speaker 1: of the SEC. Even if the records are the same,
Speaker 1: the talent discreptancy is obvious. And USC's did they kind
Speaker 1: of had an easy schedule this year. Did they play
Speaker 1: Ohiose State?
Speaker 2: They did not play Ohio State, nor do they play
Speaker 2: Ohio State next year. So if you look at I
Speaker 2: mean Lincoln got a big break. He didn't get Oregon
Speaker 2: or Ohio State this year. He didn't get Ohio State
Speaker 2: next year. So even it's funny you ask, I looked
Speaker 2: at USC schedule yesterday, and they have the home in
Speaker 2: a ways, it's a really they get Michigan at home,
Speaker 2: they get a couple of their you know, they get
Speaker 2: a couple of their tough games at home, so they're
Speaker 2: getting They don't have an LSU on the schedule. They
Speaker 2: play like Georgia, Southern Southwest, Missouri State. They do an
Speaker 2: SEC out of conference schedule, so that if you look
Speaker 2: at the schedule next year, John, it is by Big
Speaker 2: Ten standards, it is a cake walk.
Speaker 1: The other thing is and obviously football at USC is
Speaker 1: way bigger than basketball. Yeah, but muscleman kind of has
Speaker 1: a history of winning and just kind of playing the part, right,
Speaker 1: so he's just god. He just can shake some hands,
Speaker 1: he can put on a smile, he can play the part.
Speaker 1: Like you don't get to be just grumpy Belichick in college, right,
Speaker 1: you can do that in the NFL. As long as
Speaker 1: you win in college, you do have to shake hands.
Speaker 1: Donors nil, And now they're going to be comparing in
Speaker 1: Derek Musselman, who's been winning at all these places. And
Speaker 1: then you got Lincoln kind of henery, scowls, not smiling.
Speaker 1: I think you asked yourself, and this is what I
Speaker 1: said from the beginning. Does he even want to be there?
Speaker 1: Did he just get an offer so gigantic that no
Speaker 1: human could turn down? Where it's like he was already
Speaker 1: so rich, he's looking at his bank account, my life.
Speaker 1: Do I regret this? I think you gotta say, if
Speaker 1: he could do if he could do it over again?
Speaker 1: Is he the coach at USC right now? I think
Speaker 1: you'd have to say no.
Speaker 2: Right. I still think he believes based on the recruiting,
Speaker 2: the interior defensive line recruiting the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: I think he believes next year's the season, but they
Speaker 2: don't have a quarterback. They don't have an elite quarterback,
Speaker 2: so shit, who knows. John Middelkoff, former NFL scout as
Speaker 2: Olas crushed it, buddy.
Speaker 1: Thanks gong, talk to you soon.
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