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Speaker 2: Former scout for the Philadelphia Eagles watching his Eagles again

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Speaker 2: start slowly explode in the second quarter dominate the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: You know it would be easy to say, well, Justin

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Speaker 2: Tucker missed a couple of field goals and a pat

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Speaker 2: It certainly didn't help. It forced Baltimore into some weird

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Speaker 2: play calling going forward later. But you know it is

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Speaker 2: after a while, something goes from different, coincidental to a trend.

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Speaker 2: And Philadelphia they feel like a heavyweight fighter that feels

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Speaker 2: you out, kind of tries a few things and then

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Speaker 2: eventually they just wear you out. And Baltimore is a

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Speaker 2: physical team and I just kind of felt I mean,

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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts only completed eleven passes. But Philadelphia and I

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Speaker 2: think we've talked about this. We've given Detroit a lot

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Speaker 2: of credit as the best team. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: they met today. With the Lion injuries, I think I

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Speaker 2: may take Philadelphia as the NFC's top team. What say you, yeah?

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Speaker 1: When I when I see a headline of Jamal Adams

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Speaker 1: signing with the Detroit Lions, you know they you know,

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Speaker 1: they got issues with injuries. I think the star of

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Speaker 1: because Sakuan looks, I don't know, like Walter Payton, right

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Speaker 1: now is Vic Fangio. I mean they wanted him two

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Speaker 1: years ago, and that Jonathan Gannon. He got the job

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Speaker 1: last minute and it threw Howie and they're hiring off

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Speaker 1: and he ends up in Miami early in the season.

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Speaker 1: It didn't quite look right. I would say this last month.

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Speaker 1: I mean the young dbs Mitchell, their first round pick

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Speaker 1: a starter in the NFL, right because every team. And

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Speaker 1: then how about this Zach Bond guy. He looks like

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Speaker 1: Brian Erlaker out there running around. He you cannot watch

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Speaker 1: an Eagles game all season long without him making I

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Speaker 1: say over under four impact impact place. And this was

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Speaker 1: a one year player who didn't sign for much that

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Speaker 1: it was an outside pass rusher, special teams guy, and

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Speaker 1: it's been well reported. And Fangio looked said, I think

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Speaker 1: we can make this guy a middle linebacker and I

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Speaker 1: think he's going to be an All Pro this season.

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Speaker 1: And obviously the pass rush, I mean, Jalen Carter is

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Speaker 2: I feel like the AFC is all about the quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: and the NFC is all about the front offices. Green Bay,

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Speaker 2: I mean, they haven't missed on a tight end or

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Speaker 2: a wide receiver pick or Jordan Love Detroit, Philadelphia. I

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Speaker 2: feel like those three teams, and I like Matt Lafleur,

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Speaker 2: and I like Jalen Hurts and Jared Goff and Matt Lafleur.

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Speaker 2: I think the NFC is ruled by front offices because

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Speaker 2: you don't have as much star power at quarterback. I

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Speaker 2: think Green Bay is a year away, but they hammered

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Speaker 2: my Miami. That thing was embarrassing. I look at Philadelphia,

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Speaker 2: and you know what's funny about Baltimore. I mean the league.

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Speaker 2: They're league leaders in penalty yards and flags, you know,

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Speaker 2: It's not that they're they just don't quite feel you

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Speaker 2: Belichick was ripping them on like the ESPN, like the

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Speaker 2: Is that fair? And again it's not that I don't

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Speaker 1: I like the Ravens a lot coming into this game

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Speaker 1: actually flipped. They broke the run defense with Saquan as

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Speaker 1: the game went on. Like you said, with the fighter,

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Speaker 1: this time, they also had a weapon in their back pocket. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you have any faith that he was going to make it?

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Speaker 1: Because I had none, which is crazy. Just two years

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Speaker 1: the AFC is pretty open. We'll see how Buffalo looks

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Speaker 1: tonight and how they finished down the Stetch. Obviously, the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs have a remarkable record, but they're pretty flawed. Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: they actually look pretty good today, but Cincinnati's defense is atrocian.

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Speaker 1: T Harball has guys you've never heard of getting picked sixes,

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Speaker 1: and that's how he's been doing in his whole career.

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Speaker 1: The AFC is not quite what it's been about the top,

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Speaker 1: so that that benefits them. If you just get in,

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Speaker 2: So if you look at the AFC again, we're doing

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Speaker 2: this before the Bills play. Kansas City's the one seed,

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Speaker 2: So I like the wild card teams Minnesota and green

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Speaker 2: but I kind of feel I do feel overall, and

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Speaker 2: Kansas City, Buffalo, would we agree those are the four

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Speaker 2: I would Minnesota, Green Bay and Pittsburgh and Baltimore are

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Speaker 1: I actually right now, like Green Bay and Pittsburgh more

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Speaker 1: think Baltimore can win the Super Bowl, you watch today,

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Speaker 1: You're like, no, they can't. What am I talking about?

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Speaker 1: And Pittsburgh, you know, Russell has given them so much

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Speaker 1: life on offense and defensively. On any given moment, TJ.

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Speaker 1: Wat can just create a touchdown, like at the snap

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Speaker 1: of the finger. It feels like Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White.

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Speaker 1: And that's how many teams have that in their back pocket.

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Speaker 1: Like even Kansas City, like Chris Jones has had moments,

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Speaker 1: but I view TJ. Watt right now as the more

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Speaker 1: and you know the Eagles kind of have that. It

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Speaker 1: feels like with just all their playmakers on defense and

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Speaker 1: Usually when you play on Thursday, you get that mini

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Speaker 1: by well, the NFL right over the last four or

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Speaker 1: five years has taken the two best teams that play

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Speaker 1: you just get a normal work week. So Detroit today

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Speaker 1: you kind of start feeling bad for them. Yeah I did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to pivot to the Steelers. Pittsburgh forty

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Speaker 2: Steelers offense had five hundred and twenty yards eight yards

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Speaker 2: the great games in Russell Wilson's career. There was a

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Speaker 2: and embraced Russell Wilson, and I think it's pretty redeemable.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're talking about Aaron Rodgers, like he still

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Speaker 2: he's a workaholic. He's totally committed to it. Sometimes he's

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Speaker 2: and you know he's Ciarra and Russell Wilson and the brand.

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Speaker 2: We have to give him credit. He has acclimated well,

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Speaker 2: he has fit really well.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I look at him and there's two things that he does.

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Speaker 2: He can extend plays, not like he used to, but

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Speaker 2: he can extend plays, and he throws a beautiful deep ball.

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Speaker 2: John I'd argue that that's enough for them to win

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Speaker 2: multiple playoff games.

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Speaker 1: Especially if they're at home, right and being at home

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Speaker 1: is something that has not been kind to them because

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Speaker 1: they've been playing on the road so often, because they've

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Speaker 1: they haven't been a great regular season team for a

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Speaker 1: lot of those years. And when you're playing on the road,

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Speaker 1: they went into Buffalo like no one. The game would

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steeler right, the way he talks right and his brand.

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Speaker 1: But if you make plays and you win, no one

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Speaker 2: They're the opposite of the Philadelphia Eagles. They're passive, they're

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Speaker 2: get a grown up wider because these days John people

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Speaker 1: Well, I think Tomlin had a big problem on his

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Speaker 2: I keep waiting because you know, I love Dnald. I

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Speaker 1: This is where I feel bad for the Lions. They're

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Speaker 1: You make a decision even they don't even necessarily know

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Speaker 1: it's wrong. I just can't afford to let this guy walk.

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Speaker 1: He's not thirty eight. This isn't rich Gannon at the

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Speaker 1: end of his career with the Raiders. It's he he's

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Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight years old. I mean

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys play for ten more seasons in

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Speaker 1: the prime of their career. Quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Sam has I know him a little bit.

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Speaker 2: First of all, very coachable. I think the year with

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Speaker 2: Kyle Shannan was huge. So his last two stops, he's

437
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Speaker 2: gotten elite coaching. He's a very coachable guy. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I think the air thing. There was a couple of

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Speaker 2: plays late in the game. It may have been the

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Speaker 2: last drive or the next to last drive, and Sam

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Speaker 2: was rushed and the pocket got muddy really fast, and

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Speaker 2: he squirreled around and he you know, Sam was head

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Speaker 2: up looking to make a throw and I'm like, Sam,

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Speaker 2: eat it, eat it, don't And he didn't. And he

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Speaker 2: went through a stretch this year in the middle he

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Speaker 2: had a couple of really bad picks. But again he didn't.

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Speaker 2: Early remember, we were surprised early ooh knew Sam. Then

448
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Speaker 2: he got a little, he got a little the game

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Speaker 2: got a little fast, and he got I think he's

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Speaker 2: trying to make plays. He's living up to the hype.

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Speaker 2: And now he's come back down to earth. He had

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Speaker 2: a really bad Jacksonville road game. They were zero for

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Speaker 2: five in the red zone. I don't know, I watched Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: And also we have to acknowledge this. You pointed this out.

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Speaker 2: Let's say this again. I talked to I wanted to

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Speaker 2: know what Steve Kaim last night, who now runs the

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Speaker 2: football for Clutch Sports, and he said, listen, you can

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Speaker 2: say what you want about Brian Flores, but they're personnel.

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Speaker 2: They're overachieving, Like he's doing a riga. He's going to

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Speaker 2: get a job. So this may be one of these

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Speaker 2: lightning in a bottle where Darnold has the best season

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Speaker 2: of his career, Brian Flores is there before he gets hired.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it happens like you get lightning in a bottle.

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Speaker 2: This is not the Chiefs. It's not to endure for

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Speaker 2: twelve years or whatever. But again, last three games for Darnold,

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Speaker 2: six touchdowns, no picks, lots of movement, one hundred and

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Speaker 2: twelve passer rating. And this is how much I've pivoted.

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Speaker 2: When he gets the ball late between the coaching Sam

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Speaker 2: and Justin Jefferson, I'm like, yeah, he's gonna get him

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Speaker 2: into He's going to get him into field coal position.

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Speaker 1: He's going to get I just I think if we

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Speaker 1: just put him in a category and people are gonna

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Speaker 1: think I'm nuts. But his physical skills and this is

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Speaker 1: why people never in the league always believed in it

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Speaker 1: and wanted to work with him. It's much closer to

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Speaker 1: like the Mahomes and Joshes in terms of the way

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Speaker 1: the ball comes off his hand. Now, he wasn't playing well.

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Speaker 1: You know Matt Rule in Carolina, like I watched Matt

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Speaker 1: Ruhle in Nebraska, can't win games. Maybe Matt Rule is

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Speaker 1: just a little bit overrated of a coach. Yeah right,

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Speaker 1: Adam Gase. I haven't heard that name in five years.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think he works in football anymore. So like

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Speaker 1: I see this guy with Kyle Shanahan and obvi leave

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Speaker 1: with Kevin O'Connell. Like his skills and his maturation as

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Speaker 1: a player. Not everyone just hits the ground running. Most

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Speaker 1: players cannot overcome dysfunction. Peyton mannings an all time outlier.

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Speaker 1: He could have carried any franchise and made them relevant.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady could not have. At twenty two, twenty three,

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Speaker 1: twenty four years old, Sam Darnold clearly could not. And

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Speaker 1: now he's good. Is he like a Hall of Famer?

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Speaker 1: I'm not acting like we still a long way to

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Speaker 1: go in his career, but he has been excellent this year.

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Speaker 1: Like I'd have to really study the NFC quarterbacks. But

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Speaker 1: you know, Jared Goff, I'm sure is a lock pro bowler,

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Speaker 1: but he would have to be in the Pro Bowl

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Speaker 1: mix for the three NFC.

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Speaker 2: Guys absolutely no question. Are Week thirteen reaction presented by

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Speaker 2: Uber eats. Get game day deals all season long at

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Speaker 2: uber eats. It's time to look at this weekend's tastiest matchup. Okay,

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Speaker 2: the LA Chargers go on the road. This would have

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Speaker 2: been a loss for the Chargers most of their history.

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Speaker 2: Beat the Atlanta Falcons seventeen to thirteen. The Chargers are

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Speaker 2: eight and four. I mean, it is remarkable what Harbonn

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Speaker 2: jesse mentor have done to the defense. It's the same

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Speaker 2: damn guys, and now it's the best defense in the league.

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Speaker 2: And what I loved about this game, this reminds me

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Speaker 2: of Minnesota. That's why I want to go to this next.

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Speaker 2: Minnesota was dominated a time of possession, few penalties, big drives, efficiency,

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Speaker 2: the Chargers justin Herbert sixteen completions one hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: seven yards. They only had one hundred and eighty seven

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Speaker 2: yards total. They're on the road and yet they first

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Speaker 2: of all four picks the pick six up the sideline.

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Speaker 2: I don't even understand what it was. It was like AI,

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Speaker 2: somebody slowed it down. It was like it was That's

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Speaker 2: the one where I'm like, oh my god, Kirk Cousins

516
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Speaker 2: is washed. That is a seventy four mile an hour

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Speaker 2: major league fastball he threw. It was bad. It was

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Speaker 2: just like, holy shit, he has no fastball. So but

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Speaker 2: I thought my big take was it may be Michael

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Speaker 2: Pennock's time. You may give Kurt one more start, but

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Speaker 2: this is a game the Chargers have lost my entire life.

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Speaker 2: You're on the road, you don't really your offense just doesn't.

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Speaker 2: It's getting you know. You just don't have a lot

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Speaker 2: of playmakers. We talked about this a couple of weeks

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Speaker 2: ago when they I think they lost to the Ravens,

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Speaker 2: were like, they just start enough. They need a zay Flowers,

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Speaker 2: they need a number one. They don't have playmakers, so

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Speaker 2: let's let's attack it. I'll attack it from that your

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Speaker 2: thoughts on what to do with Cousins. Are we in

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Speaker 2: the Michael PENNOCKX mode?

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, I mean I would start them next week,

532
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Speaker 1: like this is what are we doing here? Four interceptions?

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Speaker 1: Now they you know, Tampa won the day somehow in

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Speaker 1: overtime since we started recording this, so they're six and

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Speaker 1: six now they have lost to Atlanta twice. Yes, they're

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Speaker 1: also six and six and the Saints losing the Chargers today,

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Speaker 1: obviously they're out of it. So it's it's basically a

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Speaker 1: two horse race. But Raheem Morris had comments at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the season when asked why coaching staff was

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Speaker 1: so large, and he said, because we're going to win,

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Speaker 1: and when guys get hired off of our staff, we

542
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Speaker 1: will have replacements already on them. It's like, Rahiem, I

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Speaker 1: like you and obviously you've resurrected your career making comments

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Speaker 1: like let's just this leak's really hard. Yeah, you know,

545
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Speaker 1: ask Andy Reid asked, you know, Jim harrboss John Hart, like,

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Speaker 1: come on, let's just take a deep breath before you

547
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Speaker 1: start kind of pumping his chest out. And your quarterback's

548
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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, who's we've all come around on and then

549
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Speaker 1: he tore his achilles, and, like you said, when that

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Speaker 1: happened in real time, the pick six, it just looked

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Speaker 1: like a normal out route the guy jumped. When I

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Speaker 1: saw the replay a little later, You're right, it felt

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Speaker 1: like the ball floated in the air extra long. I mean,

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Speaker 1: even the dB kind of had to stop, and then

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Speaker 1: you had to Here's the thing though, I got. I

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Speaker 1: got a text from Daniel Jeremiah, who calls the games

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Speaker 1: with Matt mney Smith, and he said, Harbaugh's out here

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Speaker 1: winning games with defensive players and cast offs that most

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Speaker 1: people couldn't point out of the lineup. Hashtag coaching matters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah this, I had to immediately google that player who

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Speaker 1: had the pick six, who was a fifth round pick, Like,

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Speaker 1: that's not Derwin James, who also had the game winning pick.

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Speaker 1: But you know, some of these plays are being made

564
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Speaker 1: by randoms. Lad mccaukey is a good young player. He

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Speaker 1: is their go to wife sees and this team is

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Speaker 1: about to win eleven games. I think Jim Harbaugh like

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid and Bill you know, Bill Belichick, probably it's

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Speaker 1: hard to ever surpass the six Super Bulls too. As

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Speaker 1: an assistant. Andy probably ends up with another one. You know,

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Speaker 1: four super Bowls he won was an assistant. Like these

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Speaker 1: guys are all time, like Lombardi levels. How many coaches

572
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Speaker 1: can just go back and Jimmy Johnson college college pros

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Speaker 1: never left. Jim goes dominates College, comes to the pros, dominates,

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Speaker 1: goes back to college, wins the national championship, comes back

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Speaker 1: to the pros and wins it. Who could do that? Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't see who has that pitch? Yeah, like most

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Speaker 1: guys really thrive in one. He's coming and now he's

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Speaker 1: in his style, like he has a specific way of

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Speaker 1: playing his sport and it not only translates, it immediately dominates.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there were.

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Speaker 1: Four interceptions against a guy that just got one hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollars and made him look like a third string quarterball.

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Speaker 2: Well, and also Jim does it with culture, so his

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Speaker 2: fastball is culture. You know, he is what Ohio States

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Speaker 2: Ryan Day isn't, which is Ryan Day. The schemes are fine,

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Speaker 2: but he what is Ohio State? You immediately I can

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Speaker 2: remember when he was at Stanford hardball goes in as

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Speaker 2: a forty point dog at the coliseum, beats Pete Carroll

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Speaker 2: and I mean they had like a confrontation at midfield

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Speaker 2: and it was like he made Pete was reeling. It

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Speaker 2: was like, what in the hell? This is before they

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Speaker 2: got good. And I can remember like his second year.

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Speaker 2: I was talking to a friend. He was at Stanford.

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Speaker 2: Stanford he replaced I believe, Buddy Stevens. They were a mess.

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Speaker 2: And I remember this because it was about the second

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Speaker 2: year and Pete Carroll was still in the conference and

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Speaker 2: I said, you're going to think I'm crazy. They're the

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Speaker 2: most physical team in the conference Stanford by year two

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Speaker 2: and nobody was paying attention to him. Then what he's

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Speaker 2: doing with the Chargers. They are so physical and he

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Speaker 2: also I was talking to Jordan Schultz the other day.

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Speaker 2: You know, his dad's Howard Schultz, Starbucks founder.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, what's your dad's greatest strength? And he said,

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Speaker 2: my dad's a really great delegator. His ego wasn't in control.

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Speaker 2: He hired really good people and he delegated. And I've

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Speaker 2: heard that before from really good CEOs. Harbaugh does that,

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Speaker 2: like with his general manager with Jesse Mentor. He knows

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Speaker 2: what he doesn't know, and what he does know, He's

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Speaker 2: relentless and attacks you watch this Charger team, it is

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Speaker 2: I mean the other thing like Brandon Staley may never

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Speaker 2: get another job. I mean he will never get another

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Speaker 2: head coaching job. It's the same players. In fact, I'd

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Speaker 2: argue it's worse because they don't have Keenan Allen, Mike Williams,

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Speaker 2: have no playmakers.

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Speaker 1: It's it's much worse. You know, by the way, on

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Speaker 1: Jordan's dad Howard the Acquired podcast with Howard Schultz on

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Speaker 1: how he built Starbucks, it's basically just him talking to

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Speaker 1: these two guys from start to finish how they built Starbucks. Amazing. Listen,

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Speaker 1: they are much worse. Keenan Allen just had a couple

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Speaker 1: of touchdowns on Thanksgiving? Still a good player. What would

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Speaker 1: Keenan Allen? What would they do? And listen, I know

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Speaker 1: they chose they had to and who did Harbach shoes?

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Speaker 1: The two guys in the trenches? What did he do

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Speaker 1: with the first pick? You know? Part of what I think.

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Speaker 1: You see a lot of this and the Giants got

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Speaker 1: crushed for this, and we've talked about this over and over.

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Speaker 1: They have a clear identity of what they want and

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Speaker 1: what they need. There's no guessing game. They're not just

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Speaker 1: feeling it out as they go. You know, go back

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Speaker 1: to the Michigan game, which Michigan's best players are still

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Speaker 1: Harball's guys, those defensive linemen, especially those defensive tackles, and

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Speaker 1: the offensive lineman like he knows. Go back to Stanford,

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Speaker 1: where did they start dominating before Andrew Luck showed up

635
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Speaker 1: offensive linemen and running backs and he wore people out?

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Speaker 1: And that what is how he doing right now with

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Speaker 1: the E Jalen Hurts is not thrown for form. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't look like Joe Burrow. He's not throwing for three

639
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Speaker 1: hundred fifty yards a game. They are hammering you, They're

640
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: wearing you down. Even the Ravens who have all their

641
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: defensive line men. Every team in the league would line

642
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: up to sign all of them, and they just get

643
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: worn down over time. Why because I got a first

644
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Speaker 1: round or a right tackle, I got a second round

645
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Speaker 1: or a right guard, I got a center that I

646
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Speaker 1: drafted in the second round. I got a left tackle

647
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Speaker 1: that was a former first round pick. You know, you

648
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: just go down the and it's just the hardballs, the

649
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: same thing. And everyone thought he was crazy when he

650
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Speaker 1: took all number five's, Like you need wide receivers. He's like,

651
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Speaker 1: what the fuck are you guys talking about? At the

652
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Speaker 1: tip of my spear is my offensive lineman. And that's

653
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Speaker 1: coming from a former quarterback. And I think a lot

654
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: of guys pivot from their strategy, you know, and he

655
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Speaker 1: never did. He never did. And I don't know if

656
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Speaker 1: it's just full on belief in himself, if it's just

657
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: the only way he knows, but a lot of guys

658
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Speaker 1: would have got scared off at different points in time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at Ohio State, They've completely revamped. They're

660
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Speaker 1: much more of a spread slinging around. That's not the

661
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: ohiuse faith has dominated my entire life. Yeah, and you know, Harbaugh,

662
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: this team like they have a ceiling obviously because it's

663
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Speaker 1: the NFL, and you know they only have so many guys.

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Speaker 1: But what he's they won five games last year, five

665
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Speaker 1: games to pick Kirk. I mean that might have ended

666
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Speaker 1: Kirk cousins Atlantic career. I would like pet my life

667
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Speaker 1: savings on it. But well, I mean there's a decent

668
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Speaker 1: chance that by Monday or Tuesday, it's like Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 1: has They're gonna try Michael Panix this week, right.

670
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Speaker 2: And by the way, if that works. It's very Flacco

671
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Speaker 2: to Lamar Jackson. Where Flacco started has had like a

672
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Speaker 2: rough three week stretch or four week stretch, and they

673
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Speaker 2: said we're going to go with Lamar. If I recall

674
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Speaker 2: what happened, they went with Lamar in week eleven is

675
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Speaker 2: a rookie year. Well, Pennix would go in like week

676
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Speaker 2: thirteen or fourteen. That I had never had a problem

677
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Speaker 2: with Kirk Cousins. Michael wasn't ready. Kirk Cousins gets you

678
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Speaker 2: to six and six, you lead the division, he pivots out.

679
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Speaker 2: You segue to Michael Pennix, who's been able to now

680
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: sit and learn from pretty good OC. I wouldn't be

681
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Speaker 2: surprised if Pix went in. You don't know how to

682
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: defend him. Nobody's got tape on him. You have no

683
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Speaker 2: idea what to do with him.

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Speaker 1: My issue, and I know you and a lot of

685
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: people you know the quarterback position, quadrupling down on it.

686
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Speaker 1: My issue with it was Michael Pennix. At the time

687
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Speaker 1: free agency hit people. A lot of people didn't think

688
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: he was the first round pick, so they had the

689
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Speaker 1: eighth overall pick. So if they really did love him

690
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Speaker 1: as much as they ended up loving him, they would

691
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Speaker 1: have known they could acquire him. Why not allocate your

692
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: resources help give Sam Darnold eighteen million dollars for one year?

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Speaker 1: Ye Like, I think it shows a little haphazard. They

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Speaker 1: kind of fell the coaches fell in love with him

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Speaker 1: more in April and they had already signed Cousins. Because

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Speaker 1: now you're in this weird spot because has had a

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Speaker 1: lot of leverage when he signed there. He has a

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Speaker 1: no trade clause. Now if he's not going to start

699
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, it's not like he wouldn't waive that,

700
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Speaker 1: but his value clearly is not as high as it

701
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: just was this last offseason. Games like that, you know

702
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: who's you're just basically offloading him, and you know your owner,

703
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: which is not the GM or coaches money, but gave

704
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: him a lot of cash and impacts your salary cap.

705
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: So it's just you're now six and six, and who's

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Speaker 1: picking them in the first round against Green Bay or Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: I mean Hell or even Detroit not a soul. There'll

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Speaker 1: be an underdog, yeah at home, won't they? In that game?

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Speaker 2: I would have resolutely Sunday Night food Ball, brought to

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Speaker 2: day deals all season long order now I often do

713
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Speaker 2: for game day. Seahawks twenty six, Jets twenty one Aaron

714
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Speaker 2: Rodgers ninth straight loss. Seattle's now taking control of the

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Speaker 2: NFC West. And by the way Seattle gave this game

716
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: is weird. You had to watch it. So Seattle gino Smith.

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00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: They had this weird red zone where they had seven

718
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: tries from the five yard line and got zero points

719
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: out of it. But it was really interesting. The Jets,

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Speaker 2: by the way, John are in the running for the

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Speaker 2: number one pick. So the Jags, Raiders, and Giants have

722
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Speaker 2: two wins. New England, the Jets, the Titans, and I

723
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Speaker 2: think it's Carolina have three wins because Carolina lost in overtime.

724
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Speaker 2: We hadn't started this. The Jets are in the mix

725
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Speaker 2: for the number one pick. But what was really interesting

726
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Speaker 2: after the game, First, Aaron failed on another comeback drive

727
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Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. Okay, Darnold had another successful one. Baker,

728
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: by the way, wins an overtime. Aaron has another. I

729
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: think he's had six this year, A half dozen chances

730
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 2: to win a game late it's been one or two plays.

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Speaker 2: But what was interesting is Aaron missed a wide open

732
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Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson in the end zone and it was a

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Speaker 2: pretty pedestrian play. It would have given the Jets a

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Speaker 2: twenty eight to seven lead. And on the road Seattle,

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00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if they have the firepower Becasauce Gardener

736
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Speaker 2: was given DK metcalf troubles. I mean, he'd kind of

737
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Speaker 2: taken him out. I don't know if the Seahawks win

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Speaker 2: that game. And after the game, Aaron said, you know,

739
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: it's always one play and I wanted to just go

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Speaker 2: time out. It wasn't it was one play, it was

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Speaker 2: your miss. And then by the way, he had a

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Speaker 2: pick six. Remember right after that it was a pick

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Speaker 2: six and it was like, okay, total game changer. But

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Speaker 2: I when that happened, that pick six, I started writing

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Speaker 2: notes down and I just said, where would I put

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Speaker 2: Aaron right now in the league? And J McK and

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Speaker 2: I have talked about this on the Hurt. He is

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Speaker 2: not a top fifteen quarterback. I don't care what anybody says,

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Speaker 2: Like I'm watching him, I don't trust him late. He's

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Speaker 2: got a little mobility, not as much as most guys.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what you do with

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers this thing. I don't remember a great quarterback

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Speaker 2: John ending a career like this, I mean farv Remember

754
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 2: it was eight and three with the Jets, right, got hurt,

755
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: he went to Minnesota and just tore the league up

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Speaker 2: the next This is a really really I almost think

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Speaker 2: it it. I mean, he's gonna be a Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 2: but it's almost a legacy affecting like year, Like he

759
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 2: is aged much faster than I thought.

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Speaker 1: Well, a couple of things you need to cop Go

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Speaker 1: to the NFL page, get the Leonard Williams highlight of

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Speaker 1: that pick six and copy it and send it to

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley and say, you need more guys that look

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00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: like this that you guys used to have. That's what

765
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: you need, you know, I thought early in that game,

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Speaker 1: when the Jets look good, yeah, I got it. The

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Speaker 1: Jet's gonna blow these guys out. Well, they had a

768
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Speaker 1: bye week, and what happens when like Steph Curry, Lebron

769
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: James missed a couple of weeks, they usually look good

770
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Speaker 1: when they come back. Why they're fresh, older guys. And

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Speaker 1: as the game went on, he's an inaccurate player. You

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Speaker 1: said top fifteen quarterback. I don't think he's a top

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Speaker 1: twenty five quarterback. I mean he was twenty one to

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Speaker 1: thirty nine. He's objectively inaccurate when you're watching, Yes, these balls.

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Speaker 1: The Garrett Wilson play is one for I don't know

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00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: up up until he tours Achilles, he would make with

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Speaker 1: his eyes closed with his left hand, And there are

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Speaker 1: other plays over the middle where again I don't know,

779
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: he's not seeing ghosts. But he's so rattled and sporadic

780
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: in the pocket because he knows he can't really run around.

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Speaker 1: Early in the game he had a couple runs. You're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that looks like a little old Aaron. But as the

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Speaker 1: game goes on, I don't know if it just kind

784
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Speaker 1: of slows down a older guy. Then he doesn't move

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Speaker 1: as well and inaccuracy, like one thing he dominated, he

786
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Speaker 1: had an arm like Farv, yet he was accurate like

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees. Now. I feel like when the ball's coming

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00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: out of his hands, he doesn't know where it's going.

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Speaker 1: And I think he was so pinpoint accurate. I mean

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00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: that's separated. When he was with Green Bay, he would

791
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: hit these guys in the hands on every different route,

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Speaker 1: whether it was short, intermediate, or long. And now you're

793
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Speaker 1: watching these balls on pretty basic like over the middle,

794
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: crossing routes, guys reaching behind them getting destroyed over the middle.

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Speaker 1: I just think I don't know all the body mechanics,

796
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: but from the achilles if he doesn't trust his lower body.

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Speaker 1: There have been stories about him being banged up, which

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Speaker 1: I'm sure like no one's ever questioned, like Aaron's tough,

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Speaker 1: Like Aaron's been getting hit hard for a long time,

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Speaker 1: Like no one's question he got destroyed. Honestly, I was like,

801
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: is he gonna get up?

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00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And like it's not The toughness is not his problem.

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00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: I think his skills now are like tangibly deteriorating. And

805
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 1: that's where you know, you go back and forth about

806
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: him playing next year. I just think that the new

807
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: coach and the new GM, whoever comes in, you are

808
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: going to want a fresh start. And if you're Aaron Rodgers,

809
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: are you gonna want to keep going through this? You know?

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00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: I think Schlareth has been saying this for years. Every

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Speaker 1: player with their salt notices themselves first on film and

812
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: goes this is hard to watch right before your career ends.

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00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: You're like, that is that me? That's not me? That

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00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: can't be me, And Aaron has to watch. I mean

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Speaker 1: this is one of what do you think, top five

816
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: talents of all time at that position. Yeah, and now

817
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: he's making plays that people that he's been laughing at

818
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: for decade and a half. He can't even come close.

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Speaker 1: He missed the Garrett Wilson one, which is bad for him.

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Speaker 1: I think it's more of the basic routes that his

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00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: receivers are missing behind. He doesn't know where they're going

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Speaker 1: and it's tough to watch. And this team, they are

823
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: no lock to win any game, any game.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's aging like Dan Marino. So and I

825
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: have compared Marino and Aaron Rodgers because esthetically they're just

826
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: beautiful throwers of the football. But at the end, Marino

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00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: couldn't move, his legs were shot. He wasn't putting in

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Speaker 2: the time. I mean he did when Jimmy Johnson got there.

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Speaker 2: He wouldn't show up for off season workouts and he

830
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: wouldn't show up. Well, Aaron is going to Egypt. I mean,

831
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Speaker 2: Aaron's doing his own thing. And when you're told how

832
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: beautiful you throw a football, and how great you are?

833
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 2: Yet Brady, even as he was winning Super Bowls in New England,

834
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Speaker 2: people said, well, he's a system quarterback. System quarterback. Patrick

835
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: Mahomes constantly hears, well it's Mahomes or it's Andy Reid.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Mahomes is great, we know that, but I mean,

837
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: let's be honest. Mahomes starts a lot of bad picks.

838
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: He's got the smartest coach, Travis Kelcey and that stuff,

839
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 2: you know, or Lamar Jackson, you're not a good passer,

840
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, you can't beat Mahomes. It motivates these guys.

841
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: Aaron was basically told for fifteen years you are the

842
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 2: You're better than Brady. Marino was told for years, you're

843
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: actually better than Elway. And I think you're human. I think,

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Speaker 2: if you know, I've always been driven by the critics,

845
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: not by you know, positive press or whatever. So I

846
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: think Aaron hasn't put the time in. And I think

847
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: you can tell how hard people work. Like Drew Brees

848
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 2: at the end had lost his deep ball. He was

849
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: crazy accurate, he was tremendous Maligne of scrimmage. Drew Brees

850
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: slowly gradually eroded Aaron has gone off a cliff big Ben,

851
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: by the way, not known as the hardest off season

852
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: workout guy got old really fat. Cam Newton aged very quickly,

853
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: I Aaron reminds me of Marino, like he is just

854
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: not he is, I said, top fifteen. I mean, if

855
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: I said to you, I'll name a quarterback and you

856
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: tell me if you take this quarterback or Aeron Baker Mayfield.

857
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnald Donald, You're you're gonna struggle the name. Guys,

858
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: I'm telling you.

859
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: I last three weeks, Bryce Young.

860
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: Bryce Young, I've watched some Caroline has played well for

861
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 1: a month.

862
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: That's right, because him, No, he's played great. No, So

863
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: you're you're you're with me on this. I I just

864
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: don't think. I think he's been adored for so long

865
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: he hasn't put the time in. And now you can

866
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: see it. By the way, since Robert Sala been has

867
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: been fired, the Mets have two wins and the Jets

868
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: have one. That tells you that tells you about Robert

869
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: sala being fired. What a catastrophically dumb move it was.

870
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: I think his whole game, I mean, I would say

871
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: his pass when you close your eyes. You think Aaron Rodgers,

872
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: it's backpedaling off the back foot and throwing a dart.

873
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: Where when you think Brady and Manning his you know,

874
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: when you think the three guys of his era, it

875
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: was Brady, Manning, and Rogers. Two guys had nothing in

876
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: common with the other. I mean, Tom Brady once said

877
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: football is the most unique sport. I couldn't play any

878
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: other position in high school, let all, in the NFL,

879
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: they didn't move outside of a couple of yard radius.

880
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: It's why they practice fundamentals. If you went to a

881
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay practice when Tom Brady was forty five years

882
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: old and showed up for the first twenty minutes, he's

883
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: in a full on sweat practicing his footwork. Well, Aaron

884
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: never had you because he could always get away with that.

885
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: It's like a basketball player who's the best athlete in

886
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: the league, who's not a great shooter. Now, Aaron technically was,

887
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: but once the athletic ability deteriorates, you're in major trouble

888
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: if your fundamentals aren't great. Right, Chris Paul's never been

889
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: that fast, so he's always been able to play a

890
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: certain style. Brady and Manning, Manning fell off a cliff

891
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: because his arm, like Drew Brees, did not work. Yeah,

892
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: not because he didn't know everything to do. Aaron Rodgers

893
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: doesn't play like those guys, and you watch him play

894
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: now the way he's kind of willy nilly was his

895
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: foot Jordan Love is a carbon copy of him. But

896
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: Jordan Love in the prime of his career right now,

897
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: that arm it fires out. You're like, geez, Jordan Love's

898
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: got a host. Yeah, Aaron's arm, you know, to let's

899
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: face here, just a little older. It's not as great.

900
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: And whether it's again the biomechanics of his lower body

901
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: with the achilles not being the same, doesn't it's just off.

902
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: But he doesn't sit in there and work his footwork

903
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: like Peyton Manning, Drew Brees or Tom Brady because he's

904
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: never had to, and that was always the knock. And

905
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: the one year he had a bad season, you know,

906
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: the McCarthy year, the McCarthy got fired, and then his

907
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: last year with Lafleur, he kind of gets off doing

908
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: his own thing, and when he gets a little off,

909
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: the fundamentals go out the window with him. They never

910
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: ever Peyton Manning sucked because he could not throw in

911
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: his shoulder let him down, not because his footwork and

912
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: his body was off in the pocket. Same thing with you,

913
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: Same thing with Tom. At the end, Thomas didn't want

914
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 1: to get hit. Don't blame him. Forty five years old.

915
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: Aaron's mechanics and and I would say, fundamentals are just

916
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: not good. They never have. Yeah, and he got away

917
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: with it. And now it's you're watching them. I have

918
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: a hard time seeing him play next year. And listen,

919
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: I understand not many jobs, no jobs unless you're like

920
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: the CEO of Apple are gonna pay forty plus million

921
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: dollars a year. But he's made a lot of money

922
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: and now he's getting peppered. He's forty years old. Who's

923
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: going to trade for him? If the Jets don't want him? Like,

924
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: what are really his options? Like it's it's probably a

925
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: situation that you don't even have a chance to win

926
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: in the summer. Like it's pretty clear. So I if

927
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: I had to guess, right now, we're the last We're

928
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: down the home stretch of Aaron Rodgers playing NFL football.

929
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 2: I want to go back to Thursday and talk about

930
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: one team. So the Chicago Bears, ibra Flus has been

931
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: fired off that insane, egregiously bad coaching snafoo. So I

932
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: saw Caleb Williams Saturday. I went to the Notre Dame

933
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: USC Gamet in jen Co in the athletic director's box.

934
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 2: He was there, so was his dad. I said hi

935
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 2: to Caleb and talked to his dad for a second.

936
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 2: Remember before the draft, I went on the air and

937
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: I said, you know, I've heard Caleb's got some reservations

938
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: about the Bears, but he didn't want to be the

939
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 2: bad guy. And the next day Caleb came out and said, no, no, no, no, no, no,

940
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: not true. I'm going to go to the Chicago Bears.

941
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: So I'm going to go to the Chicago Bears. Well,

942
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: the truth is Caleb didn't want to hurt his advertising market,

943
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: his influencer market, and he was going to be a

944
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: good soldier. But I trusted my source is that you know,

945
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 2: you can't look at the Bears an educated, reasonable person,

946
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: and that's Caleb can't look at the Bears and go

947
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 2: this is a great place to go. And you're seeing

948
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: basically what we predicted. I was told in the last

949
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: month by an NFLG he thought the mccaskeys were the

950
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: worst owners Bidwell's second, mccaskey's the worst. They're some of

951
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: the poorest, just an odd group. The guy the president

952
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 2: is a former Big ten president. You know, a lot

953
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: of opinions. Not great on the details. I've been told

954
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: Eber flews over his skis. Ryan Poles has done okay,

955
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: there's been I love the Montese sweat move. I love

956
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: that move. Chase Claypool people take swings and mess I'm

957
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: not going to judge him some of his drafting. Jalen Johnson.

958
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: I like the Keenan Allen pickup. I talked to Cole

959
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: Comett this weekend. He was in the box with Caleb Williams.

960
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 2: There's I don't know if.

961
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: Pole's extended Poles extended commit I mean he's there for

962
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: a while.

963
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I don't know if he drafted him, but

964
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: he extended him. But this organization, what is happening now

965
00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: is what Caleb and any reasonable person feared is then.

966
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: I thought Caleb was good enough. He was the only

967
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: quarterback in this draft. Like Andrew, luck didn't get the

968
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 2: right GM, an impulsive owner, his coach got fired battle line.

969
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 2: He was good enough and Andrew. Now, I don't think

970
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 2: Caleb's as good as Andrew Luck as a prospect, but

971
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 2: I thought he was one of these top ten prospects.

972
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: But the difference is this division is so damn good.

973
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: Is as good as Caleb is. I'm sorry again. Minnesota

974
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: is well run. They don't have Super Bowls. I've always

975
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 2: felt they're pretty well run. Green Bay's exceptionally run. Detroit

976
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: now is well run. I worry that Caleb Williams is

977
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: going to just be stuck having to compensate for an

978
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: organization that's arguably the weakest in the league because that

979
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: Andrew Berry is a very good GM in Cleveland. We

980
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 2: don't love the ownership, but we like the coach and

981
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: the GM. I have a feeling here that Bears right now,

982
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 2: along with Carolina and people like Dan Morgan as they

983
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: don't love Temper, are the Bears the most dysfunctional franchise

984
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: in the league.

985
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: It has to be right up there. I mean, I

986
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: personally have always thought, once you have a lot of

987
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: money and you run a business and you still are

988
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: really cheap on things that really matter, like you kind

989
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: of have a disease Cincinnati business back. Yeah, yeah, you

990
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: see this in all walks of life, even outside of football.

991
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 1: Like eventually you got a pivot like Walmart. Sam Walton

992
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: was notoriously very cheap. There came a point in time

993
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: where you had to pivot with some of the big

994
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: expenses with the company. And there are stories this weekend

995
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: and I gobbled up everything ABRAF loose, the firing of them.

996
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 1: When they interview coaches, they fly them out and they

997
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: put them in coach And I had a buddy in

998
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: the NFL that said when they were interviewing gms, they

999
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: put them all in like a shuttle. I mean, just

1000
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: things that in the NFL, in college football at the

1001
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: highest level that are just viewed like any industry, there

1002
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: are certain standards for the highest level of your CEO,

1003
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: for your head coach. That is pretty embarrassing. And this,

1004
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: this is a franchise. This guy a chiropractor at the

1005
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: gym who just whenever I see him, he loves this

1006
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: Sunday show with me and you. He've found me through you,

1007
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: and he's a diehard Bears guy. And he was hammering,

1008
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: you know, the Kevin Warren situation, and he's like, people

1009
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: don't realize this franchise has been owned by this family

1010
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: since the twenties. I would imagine for sixty seventy years,

1011
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: the economics of the league. For the McCaskey, you know,

1012
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: Papa Hall was a little different than it's become the

1013
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: last twenty twenty five years. But philosophically, their thoughts on

1014
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 1: everything have kind of been engraved, you know, from their grandparents,

1015
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: Like the way they think about this. Hell the is

1016
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: it the grandma or whatever. Virginia McCaskey is like one

1017
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: hundred years old. Did you think she've used things like

1018
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Luriy and Howie Roseman, or like Less Sneed and

1019
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: Dan Cronkey. How can she compete against that? Jed York's

1020
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: forty five years old, run around with Silicon Valley people.

1021
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 2: How about this? We knew that Al Davis was a

1022
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: pioneer in a visionary and in the last ten years

1023
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 2: got really murky and bad. Jerry Jones Visionary Maverick last

1024
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 2: six to eight years as a bad roster. So those

1025
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 2: guys weren't I mean, that was an eight to ten

1026
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 2: year stretchery or uncomfortable. I feel like Chicago's been like

1027
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: this for twenty five years.

1028
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: And I think whenever you have ownership that doesn't know

1029
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: what they're doing, Kevin Warren is kind of reported this

1030
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: morning that he's running point on the coaching search and

1031
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: Ryan Poles will assist him. Callin that is insanity. This

1032
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: is a guy that was hired to run the business

1033
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: and get them a stadium. You know the geography of

1034
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: Chicago better than me. But it again through my buddy

1035
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: said that they basically laid it all out for him

1036
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 1: in the suburbs and they want to stay in the city.

1037
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 1: Get everything's there for them. They already owned the land.

1038
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: It's like, that's you got to get the stadium built,

1039
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: not hire the coach that that should be Ryan Pole's

1040
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: job and the owner. But the owners want no part

1041
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: of it because they don't know what they're doing. And

1042
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty sad. And this is where in the NFL,

1043
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: Like Caleb was in a tough spot. This has gone

1044
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: worse than I didn't think it was gonna go well,

1045
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: Like I didn't even view him as a playoff team.

1046
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 1: It's obviously been way worse. You know his report today,

1047
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson lost it on ebra Flus as he just

1048
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: gave his postgame. You know, hey, guys is ad versus me.

1049
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: It's like, no, this We're not given the the cliche

1050
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: speech anymore in here, Matt and he should have been

1051
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: fired in January. Absolute, he should have been fired in

1052
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: January because now you're repeating the same thing over and over.

1053
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: But who's it's interesting, you go, who's gonna want this job? Actually,

1054
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: on paper, it's a pretty good job. They got a

1055
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: lot of players and a GM that comes from Kansas

1056
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: City who's a former offensive lineman. I do think the

1057
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Speaker 1: Kevin Warren thing is as big of a red flag

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Speaker 1: if I have to answer ebra Flus and Ryan Poles

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00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: this year answered to him, not the owner. Like Mike

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Speaker 1: Vrabel's hanging up. He's not answering to Kevin Warren. Obviously,

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00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: Bill I don't. They probably wouldn't even interview them. Ben

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00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: Johnson's gonna have enough leverage, Like I'm not answering to

1063
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: the team president that does not own the team. You

1064
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: know in Denver Penner who is married into the Walton family,

1065
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: it's like it's all the same umbrella. So it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I answer to him. He is the family rights, this

1067
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: is this guy's an independent. This guy could be fired

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00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: tomorrow Kevin Warren. And if I'm Vrabel, I have to

1069
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: answer to him, who I don't think knows anything about football. Remember,

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Speaker 1: he was the guy leading the charge to cancel football

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00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: up through the middle of August, and it wasn't for

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00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh and CJ. Stroud in the Big Ten, he

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00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: would have canceled football. And I know there's tumultuous times,

1074
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: especially depending on where you live, but that's something that

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00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: to me, that's why Jim Harball, Like Jim Harbaugh was

1076
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: never working with him last year, a lot of people

1077
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: thought that they could hire him, and I just think

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00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: the Bears, man they are. That's gotta be one of

1079
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: the more embarrassing three or four game stretches that I

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00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: ever remember. Like I saw some bad Jim Thomps Suley

1081
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, that year, but he didn't have specific aims

1082
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 1: over and oh it was just a bad like a joke.

1083
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: But these specific moments on Thanksgiving. I mean, how many

1084
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: people were watching that game? Twenty five million? The clock

1085
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: just kept tickting.

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Speaker 2: What's going on here? It's the worst situational coaching I've

1087
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 2: ever seen in my life. Not first of all, rookie

1088
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 2: quarterback against Detroit short week, but throw them a life preserver,

1089
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 2: like if it's year three. I'm on Caleb's ass. He

1090
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 2: is a rookie on a short week on the road.

1091
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 2: Call a time out. You can see him. Everybody's flailing.

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Speaker 1: I had a lot of scouting buddies crushing Caleb, like

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00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,479
Speaker 1: you know. He's the quarterback twenty one, twenty two years old,

1094
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: short week, late in December, never played this long, probably exhausted,

1095
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: had led them back. Yes, right, that's the coach. He's

1096
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator. He does nothing on offense. His only

1097
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: job is to watch the clock. Clearly they're discombobulated.

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00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: They should they should have.

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Speaker 1: He should have called the clock the moment he hit

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Speaker 1: his knee, hit the ground, sacked. It was a no brainer. Yeah,

1101
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: and honestly I was prize they fired him, weren't you?

1102
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: Or was it just so bad they had no choice?

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00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: I expect the Bears have played out the rest of

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Speaker 1: the year.

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Speaker 2: go to Michigan thirteen, Ohio State ten. We have to

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Speaker 2: talk about a couple of college football situations. So I

1121
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: did not think. I think this is the biggest in

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00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: the history of this rivalry. It's got to be the

1123
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Speaker 2: biggest upset. Michigan passed for sixty two yards, had two

1124
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Speaker 2: picks on the road, and still won. I mean, Michigan

1125
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 2: hasn't thrown the ball at Michigan's a very easy team

1126
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: to defend. They can't pass. You could be hyper aggressive.

1127
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 2: So I thought one of the things I compared today

1128
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Speaker 2: in my car, I did a little thing on Twitter.

1129
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 2: I compared Ryan Day, the Ohio State coach. I wouldn't

1130
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 2: fire him, but there's a clear whole. He's Mark Ricked.

1131
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,439
Speaker 2: So Mark rick had been a quarterback coach like Day,

1132
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 2: was an offensive coordinator like Day, and then got a

1133
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: blue blood job. And I always felt when watching Georgia

1134
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: under Mark Richt, he had several top ten finishes in

1135
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: the big games. You never felt they got the most

1136
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 2: out of the roster. And that's exactly how I feel

1137
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 2: about Ryan Day is that he can recruit like Ricked.

1138
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: He's a nice guy like Ricked. But those Georgia teams

1139
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 2: never had an identity. They just had really good players.

1140
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 2: Even when they had like I think Matt Stafford he

1141
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 2: had like he would have. They would they would have

1142
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 2: moments and you'd be like, Oh, this team's the best

1143
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: in the country. And they won a lot of big games.

1144
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 2: He won three out of four games he coaches, and

1145
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: Ryan Day wins by out of six games he coaches.

1146
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 2: But they have no identity. And I thought that game.

1147
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: Here's my take. So Ryan Day is one of those

1148
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 2: guys that you know Urban Meyer. He went to Bowling Green,

1149
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: he went at Utah, he went at Florida. By the

1150
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 2: time he gets to Ohio State, he has got a

1151
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 2: lot of confidence. His shit works, Jim Harbaugh, My ship works, right,

1152
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 2: Ryan Day, What does he fall back on? So remember

1153
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 2: when he got really defense, when old Lou Holtz took

1154
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 2: a shot at him and they won a game. In

1155
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: a post game, he takes a shot at rickety old

1156
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 2: blue holes and I'm like, wait a minute, Well, why

1157
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 2: do you care about that? Because he doesn't have a

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01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 2: history of success Mark Rick did. Neither is that when

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Speaker 2: you you know, save Michigan State, LSU, Alabama, NFL, people

1160
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 2: can take shots at you. You have a formula that works.

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01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 2: Ryandy doesn't have a formula that works. He's two and

1162
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Speaker 2: foreign bulls. He can't beat Michigan now four years in

1163
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 2: a row. And I thought the game plan was fascinating. John.

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01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 2: He was trying to prove how tough Ohio State was

1165
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 2: in the first half. Say, bro, you have major matchup

1166
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Speaker 2: advantages at wide receiver. He wanted to prove. Hey, people

1167
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 2: say we're not this this game's always decided by rushing yards.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to approve. I'm gonna low this hole. I

1169
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 2: can't coach tough football teams. Because he got very defensive

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Speaker 2: with Lou Holtz questioning that and this is Ryan Day

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Speaker 2: and we'll get into Lincoln Riley in a second. He's

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Speaker 2: a little lost when you start worrying about voices outside

1173
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 2: the building and narratives, and it starts changing your game plan.

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Speaker 2: Their first half game plan was embarrassing, Like what was it?

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01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 2: He was trying to prove we can win tough, just

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Speaker 2: win the damn game.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've had this theory with politics for a

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01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: while that sometimes the media is detrimental to candidates and

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Speaker 1: a certain party. And I think, you know, CNN and

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01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: MSNBC writer in the headlines a lot, a lot that

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01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: no one's watching them anymore. They're losing a lot of viewership,

1182
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: but their clips go viral and I'm on a million

1183
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: text chains that see them constantly, and they're constantly lecturing

1184
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: people that whether it was Biden's cognitive ability or the

1185
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: Kamala was a great candidate. And eventually the people are like, yeah,

1186
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,919
Speaker 1: just come on right, pump the bricks. And I think

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Speaker 1: for a long time there has been a media apparatus

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01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: that has told everybody, you, Ohio State fans are lunatics.

1189
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: Get lectured them that they're lunatics. And this guy is

1190
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: ex look at his record, and it's like, guys, most

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01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: human beings now over thirty years old have been alive

1192
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: long enough to see Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban

1193
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: Kirk Kirby smart dabble like they know what a really

1194
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: good coach looks like. They also know that the Big Ten,

1195
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: beside a team or two every once in a while,

1196
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: is not very good anymore. Most of these teams, like

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Speaker 1: beating Nebraska and beating Minnesota when you're at Ohio State

1198
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: and you have unlimited resources, is not that impressive. So

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Speaker 1: you are basically paid to beat Penn State, Michigan and

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Speaker 1: the other top teams that you play, whether it's Notre

1201
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: Dame or which you play in the playoffs and stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's it, Like, no one, you get no credit for

1203
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: beating the shit out of Minnesota and Nebraska. Whoever you

1204
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: better win those games, but no one cares. It's like

1205
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: James Harden scoring fifty against Sacramento Kings in January, Like,

1206
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no one puts any stock into that after

1207
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: a while, And I think everyone getting lectured constantly about

1208
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: Ryan Day. Ryan Days, like, guys, we've seen him in

1209
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: these big games and it's something's off, right, something's off,

1210
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: and in this game specifically right, the last couple of years,

1211
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: Harbaugh has had a team that was elite, so you

1212
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: get beat as happens, Kirby smarts losses.

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Speaker 2: Last year, Michigan had better players than Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: They had seventy guys drafted or whatever. This year. You

1215
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: we've all seen crazy games in college. We've seen twenty

1216
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: plus years insane. That to me, obviously, we've seen bigger

1217
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: outcomes like Vince Young that was a national championship game, right,

1218
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: or even Ohio State lost or won national in a

1219
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: regular season game. I think that's one of the craziest

1220
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Speaker 1: outcomes I've ever seen that entire life. It was start

1221
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: to finish because not a person in the world, especially

1222
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: a Michigan fan, would have bet on Michigan. And as

1223
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: the game was going, you kept thinking yourself, this can't

1224
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: be happening. But he tried to get into a heavyweight

1225
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: fight with the one thing Michigan can do, and Chips

1226
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: are to running up the middle. It's like they're two

1227
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: good players with the defensive tackles. You have three NFL guys.

1228
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: But I keep thinking that after the game and everyone's

1229
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: shitting on Ryan Day. It's like, well, they've been lectured

1230
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: for five years that he's a great coach, and it's like,

1231
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting for him to beat another Like we

1232
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: don't care that he's beating James Franklin now four straight times. Yeah,

1233
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Speaker 1: Like you can't beat Michigan, which in this program clearly

1234
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: is borderline the equivalent of like the National title game

1235
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Speaker 1: at this point, and he loses against the other good

1236
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: teams when he plays him in big spots. So you're

1237
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: watching him and you go the cockiness the third base comment.

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01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: Most guys that get those jobs. Jim Harbaugh to get

1239
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: the Michigan job, had to coach at San Diego Stanford

1240
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: and then win at the forty nine ers. You know,

1241
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: this guy had never been a head coach. Yeah, and

1242
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: he got the job and handed to him by one

1243
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: of the greatest coaches of his era. So the Ohio

1244
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: State fans literally know what it looks like with Urban

1245
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: Meyer and you go, well, we're not that physical. We

1246
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: have this pass And here's I was thinking about this too,

1247
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: because I've been critical of this guy for a long time.

1248
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: And Starkesey is got Texas in the SEC championship year one,

1249
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: and I'm watching him last night and I went to

1250
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: watch him live. Sark takes this offensive guy like Ryan Day,

1251
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: Well he's also the play caller, so half the game

1252
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: is his baby, right and the program's his baby. But

1253
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,919
Speaker 1: the play calling, well, Ryan Day is like turned into

1254
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: this CEO even though he's this offensive minded guy, has

1255
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: to hire Chip Kelly and you're watching him on offense

1256
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: just look terrible against a Michigan team. Their best corner

1257
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: Will Johnson, who might be like a top five pick.

1258
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: It's like Travis Hunter two point oh corner is out

1259
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,479
Speaker 1: your slicing. I was like, what are you guys doing?

1260
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: Like you're supposed to be an offensive mind, get chips

1261
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: call in the plays, and then your team's not that tough.

1262
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: And I do think to look after the game where

1263
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: they plant the flag and he stands there and it

1264
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:49,439
Speaker 1: just listen. They're in the playoffs, so you're not gonna

1265
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: fire him today. I don't see how this moves forward,

1266
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: I because I I think it's very possible that this

1267
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: type loss they could just lose immediately in the playoffs,

1268
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: depending on who they play. Do you think Ohio State

1269
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: fans And I'm an Ohio State hater. But if I

1270
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: was in their shoet, I'd be tired of being lectured

1271
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: constantly by and listen, I get it. Joe Klatt and

1272
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: all these guys at Ohio State is a huge part

1273
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: of the business, and they're awesome. I like washing them too,

1274
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: But like we have to riot day, like Kirby Smarts,

1275
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: the Nick Saban's like he's at Urban Myers. He's not

1276
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: even remotely on their level.

1277
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 2: No, he's not.

1278
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: He's not even debatable.

1279
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 2: No, no, he is much closer to Mark Rick who

1280
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 2: you know, George is better now without Mark Richt, who

1281
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 2: was a really nice guy. But they I mean, I

1282
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 2: had an NFL GM tell me years ago, he'd love

1283
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 2: drafting Georgia guys under Mark Richt, he goes, because they

1284
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 2: were He goes, if you drafted a Nick Saban guy

1285
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 2: at Bama, he'd already squeezed all the juice out of

1286
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 2: the player. He goes these Georgia guys like they still

1287
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 2: had two gears of shifting, you know, like there you

1288
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 2: were always like, oh, they're way better than you think.

1289
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 2: The Other thing is that the transfer portal and the

1290
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 2: NIL have actually created parody. When I was talking with

1291
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 2: a guy today who's a he runs a message board

1292
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 2: for Ohio State, and I said, you know, you used

1293
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 2: to be able to years ago when you had one

1294
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five scholarships and the John McKay era

1295
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 2: for US. See, you'd take like four running backs in

1296
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 2: the West Coast just to hog them, even if he

1297
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,439
Speaker 2: didn't play him. And then we got down to eighty

1298
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 2: five scholarships. And you can still do a little bit

1299
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 2: of that. Nick Saban can do it. Kirby Smart Well,

1300
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 2: Now a backup left tackle at let's say Ohio State

1301
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 2: Louisville comes in and says, we'll pay it three hundred

1302
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. You're a starter for US, or a right

1303
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 2: tackle at Ohio State. Well, you want to be a

1304
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 2: left tackle and show that scouts that you know, whoever's

1305
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 2: got money. Whatever team A Texas A and M could say,

1306
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 2: come here, start at left tackle, so there's less depth

1307
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: and then an Ohio State could lose an elite offensive

1308
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 2: tackle where it's always been my whole life. The top

1309
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 2: programs have tour they have backups that would start except

1310
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 2: for there's a first round guy in front of them. Well,

1311
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 2: that guy now just goes and plays at a lesser

1312
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 2: program gone. And so if you have an injury, So

1313
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 2: let's say you're Georgia and you lose you know, brock Bowers,

1314
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 2: and then a tight end gets hurt and the other

1315
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 2: tight end who you had, he got purchased by Wake

1316
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 2: Forest or somebody or Oregon. Well, now your tight ends

1317
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,759
Speaker 2: no better than the guy at Purdue. So these teams

1318
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 2: like Alabama and Georgia and Ohio State, if they have

1319
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 2: a key O line injury or a linebacker injury, they

1320
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 2: don't have great backups. Those guys have been purchased in

1321
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 2: the NIL to go to lesser programs. And I mean

1322
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 2: I know a program that was I mean Washington, I

1323
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 2: mean they were in the Harbaugh Michigan teams. They were like, Okay,

1324
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 2: who's not starting that we recruited. Who's a five star guy,

1325
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 2: who's behind a you know, a sophomore who's got two

1326
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 2: more years there? That's the game. Now.

1327
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,520
Speaker 1: I think Ohio State though, if you look at this offseason,

1328
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: theos Well reported they spend twenty million. Yeah, I think

1329
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: these numbers. Yeah, it could be twenty five, could be eighteen,

1330
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 1: could be twelve. You know, who knows the actual number.

1331
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: But They spent a lot relative and I think widely

1332
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: considered the most of any college football team, and they

1333
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 1: bought Ferraris. I mean, Caleb Downs would start for every

1334
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: NFL team immediately.

1335
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:08,759
Speaker 2: He's great.

1336
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: You know. They bought multiple sweet players. And then they

1337
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: signed Kansas State's quarterback, who some believe was not going

1338
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 1: to be their starter anymore because the other kid that

1339
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 1: was coming up they played this year. They were going

1340
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: to go to him a little more dynamic. And you

1341
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 1: look and you go, well, shouldn't if you're gonna buy

1342
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: a Ferrari and a range Rover and not have a garage, like,

1343
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: it's a pretty risky move. You know, cam Ward was

1344
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: clearly the guy. But you go, Chip, Kelly, Ryan, day

1345
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: of it. They wouldn't really love cam Ward a little bit.

1346
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: You know. That's not really their type player, especially Chip.

1347
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, do his own thing, Will.

1348
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: Howard or Will Howard that's yeah, it was much more

1349
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: their type guy. And you watch Kyle McCord at Syracuse,

1350
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: who just take down Miami. He's had a pretty good year. Yeah,

1351
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: they blamed everything on him last year and listen, he

1352
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: was up and down for him. But I think sometimes

1353
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: in this nil era, when you're paying people, especially quarterbacks,

1354
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: lot of money. You can start doing finger pointing, where

1355
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: in the history of the sport you would just give

1356
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: that guy a couple of years to be your starter

1357
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: and maybe that one year. You look back, you win

1358
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 1: the national championship. The next year and you go, we

1359
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,719
Speaker 1: live through that. Look what Harbaugh did with JJ McCarthy

1360
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: and that crew of guys. They lost that devastating game

1361
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: to Tissue TCU. Right, it was hard to stomach. A

1362
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Everyone came back and they won it. Well,

1363
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 1: now in the NIL era, if you like you're just

1364
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 1: pointing the finger, you make a couple guys transfer they're

1365
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: not good enough, you upgrade. You watch how could you

1366
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 1: lose a game where the opposing team If I told

1367
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: you at the start, how much money would you put

1368
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,719
Speaker 1: on Ohio State? If they're starting quarterback through for sixty

1369
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: yards and through two picks, you'd be like, I bet

1370
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 1: they win the game forty to ten.

1371
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 2: I thought I predict to kill them. I thought it

1372
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 2: was going to be I honestly thought thirty eight to

1373
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 2: thirteen would be close. I thought it was gonna be

1374
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:48,799
Speaker 2: a blowout.

1375
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 1: You just can't. You just can't fake toughness. And I've

1376
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: been around these coaches long enough and know these guys

1377
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: and these NFL teams and these programs. Some guys have

1378
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,839
Speaker 1: it and some guys don't, and a small percentage truly

1379
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 1: have it, like Urban Meyer, Nick Saban. It's not about

1380
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,560
Speaker 1: like your size or your coach, but you're like everyone

1381
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: when you walk into the room, they kind of they're

1382
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: their shoulders. Kirby clearly has it right. It's a small

1383
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: percentage of guys. And Ryan he's not bad, but he

1384
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: was also handed. I think the best program in the

1385
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: country with unlimited resources and will do whatever he wants.

1386
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 1: And they are regressing four straight times in Michigan. I

1387
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 1: think he's a loss. We'll see who they end up

1388
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:31,839
Speaker 1: playing in the first round. Let's just say they play Tennessee.

1389
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,759
Speaker 1: That if they play a team like and they lose,

1390
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: I mean, you, now, who are they going to hire?

1391
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: Like it's Mike Vrabel's not coming to college football in

1392
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: this era, right, So it's like, who you know? Do

1393
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: you hire the Iowa State coach? There's no it's you

1394
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: might just get the same thing, Like you're probably not

1395
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: getting Nick Saban or Urban Meyer. You know the version

1396
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: the next version of that. So you're just this is

1397
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,759
Speaker 1: where they're kind of you know, it's not that bad,

1398
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: but it's clearly not good enough because if you can't

1399
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: get Michigan now, like you just beat a team that

1400
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: was so desperate they paid a kid twelve to fifteen

1401
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: million dollars to be their quarterback who's seventeen years old.

1402
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: That's the team you just lost to.

1403
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 2: All Right, I want to finish up USC Notre Dame.

1404
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 2: By the way, Marcus Freeman, the coach for Notre Dame,

1405
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: Peter Schrager is reporting this, and this is the second

1406
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 2: person I've heard it from. Marcus Freeman. The Chicago Bears

1407
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 2: are interested culture builder. So just throw that out there.

1408
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 2: That's being talked about in NFL circles. Notre Dame coach

1409
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 2: Marcus Freeman.

1410
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 1: Would you leave Notre Dame making ten million dollars a

1411
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 1: year to the Bears? No, if you had to.

1412
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 2: Answer to Kevin Mostly and I would not even know.

1413
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 2: But it's interesting. They can't get rid of Lincoln Riley.

1414
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 2: He had his contract turned over, so it's nine years,

1415
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 2: ninety million left. They just put three hundred million into

1416
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 2: the facilities. They're collectives up to eighteen million, so that

1417
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 2: it's not a money issue. They're collective is now to

1418
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 2: eighteen million dollars. I was told by an agent yesterday

1419
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 2: that's not it. But it's so they're not going to

1420
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 2: get rid of Lincoln. They're not going to do it us.

1421
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 2: He's not going to buy him out. It's not the

1422
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 2: SEC and his best talent is young, and their defensive

1423
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 2: line talent they've recruited the last two years is much better.

1424
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. But this goes back to the Ryan

1425
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 2: Day thing. So he was handed an Oklahoma program and

1426
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 2: the culture was set, and he was very clever. He

1427
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 2: was a better offensive guy than Stoops. So he goes

1428
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 2: to USC and he doesn't really have to build a

1429
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 2: culture because Caleb Williams is so much better than everybody

1430
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 2: else in the conference. And they win eleven game, should

1431
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 2: have beaten two lanes at a one to twelve. The

1432
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 2: following year, about halfway through, you're like, wow, they have

1433
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 2: to replace the defensive staff. He deserves credit for that.

1434
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 2: But if you I believe, and somebody said this to me,

1435
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 2: they said, he's getting Why isn't he replacing offensive coaches?

1436
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 2: They have one good, not great offensive tackle in the

1437
01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 2: program three years in The backup left tackle is six

1438
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 2: two three ten. He's a center. They have one really

1439
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 2: nice draftable running back in three years he's leaving. They

1440
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,640
Speaker 2: don't have a draftable defensive player on this team. I

1441
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 2: think Camari Ramsey, the safety's draftable next year. Notre Dame

1442
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 2: is a better football team, should have won. It's not that,

1443
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 2: but now we're going into year four. Forget the defense,

1444
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 2: which is better but not elite. They don't have enough

1445
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 2: good offensive town. This quarterback they have as a ham

1446
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 2: and egger. I mean he either he can't read the

1447
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 2: middle of the field or they don't trust him. Everything's

1448
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 2: up the sidelines, everything's bubble screen up the sideline. They

1449
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,520
Speaker 2: don't throw the ball in the middle of the field.

1450
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 2: What I am hearing is he is alienated LA high

1451
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:43,839
Speaker 2: school coaches. I mean they're LA recruiting stinks, so USC

1452
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,679
Speaker 2: is trapped here. They can't buy him out. He's gotten

1453
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 2: stubborn on the offensive coaching where they're just not getting

1454
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 2: outside a receiver. They still have good enough players, forgettable

1455
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 2: running backs, forgettable tight ends, don't have any tackles outside

1456
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 2: of Elijah Paide left tackle. When they signed up to

1457
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 2: a ten year deal. You thought you were getting a steal.

1458
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: I'm not.

1459
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 2: This is the first time i've really I look at

1460
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,759
Speaker 2: it and I'm like, wait a minute. They're getting worse

1461
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 2: every six games from the beginning of Caleb's first year

1462
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 2: to the next six, to the beginning of year two

1463
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 2: to the last six. This team beat LSU at the

1464
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 2: end of the year the last three years. They're not

1465
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 2: a breaking football team. That is bad coaching.

1466
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: If I would have told you in August that they

1467
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 1: would have one more win on December first than UCLA,

1468
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: he would have said, John, put down the drugs. I

1469
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: thought UCLA was gonna win like two games this season.

1470
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 1: And honestly, it's not like they beat the brakes off them.

1471
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: That game probably could have gone either way.

1472
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fourth quarter, it was close.

1473
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ucla being five and seven and you being six

1474
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:54,799
Speaker 1: and six. What a disaster for the USC.

1475
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 2: UCLA has no money in their collective USC has eighteen million,

1476
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 2: So it's it's it's not a fair fight.

1477
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: Well, let's you know, we've talked about Ryan day he

1478
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 1: inherits Ohio state. The recruiting mechanism was already set in

1479
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: place like what Lincoln had in Oklahoma under Bob Stoops.

1480
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: It was already the guys flowing there. He just had

1481
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 1: to keep it rolling. And he's done that. It's why

1482
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 1: his disasters are ten and two. Everyone wants to fire him.

1483
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 1: Lincoln would die for that. Lincoln had to start it

1484
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 1: from scratch. To me, if you don't nail the best

1485
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:28,480
Speaker 1: players in California, obviously the transfer portal has changed classes

1486
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: a little bit. That's pretty embarrassing. And I get this

1487
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,799
Speaker 1: is not the Pete Heyday, but like, why do Kirby

1488
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:37,719
Speaker 1: and Nick and the guys that win in the South

1489
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 1: wind because they nail the players in their region? Yes,

1490
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 1: and there it's harder because you have to recruit. If

1491
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 1: you're at LSU, at Georgia, at Alabama, you know, Florida

1492
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 1: ever got good Now Tennessee, you're all recruiting against each other.

1493
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,640
Speaker 1: Like obviously Oregon has to come down to southern California,

1494
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: but you still have a huge advantage and everything. The

1495
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: nostalgia of the Reggie Bush of what it used to be,

1496
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:00,719
Speaker 1: it's just gotta be gone. If you meet someone now

1497
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 1: and young people that work for you, and you know,

1498
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm around young people, like a twenty five year old

1499
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: was born in two thousand, right, so that guy in

1500
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 1: the heyday of Liner and Reggie and Lindel White was

1501
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 1: five or six years old. So those guys that are

1502
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 1: now eighteen years old, think about it. They were like

1503
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: the Clay Helton era. So this this nossalgia of what

1504
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: used to be exists to me and you or older people,

1505
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 1: not to the people that matter the most. And if

1506
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 1: you piss off these high school coaches, like the high

1507
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 1: school coaches are the lifeblood of someone's program because they

1508
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: funnel you guys. I mean they are very very important.

1509
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 1: Obviously now money's changed hands. But to me, sc like

1510
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: Caleb Downs whoever, that the equivalent of those type players

1511
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 1: every year they should it should be between Ohio State,

1512
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 1: USC and Texas like if they're not in on every

1513
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: and why Er Sark and Ohio State's roster are so

1514
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: good because they're buying all the sweet players who are available.

1515
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: And obviously they recruit really well. What is Lincoln gonna

1516
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 1: have a top ten recruiting class this year in the nation.

1517
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 2: Top twenty twelve with twelve to fourteen.

1518
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 1: And here's the problem. Ohio State, even with Ryan Day,

1519
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: is not going anywhere if they keep them for the

1520
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: next five years. They're gonna win ten or eleven games

1521
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 1: every year. Oregon clearly is going nowhere. And listen, we

1522
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 1: can Washington see what.

1523
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 2: James Jedfish can recruit. So jed Fish will get that

1524
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:24,480
Speaker 2: puppy to nine wins fast.

1525
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 1: And I've heard that they did not use much nil

1526
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 1: money this year because they wanted to take a deep breath.

1527
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 1: They're gonna be blown it this year, so they will

1528
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: be aggressive and Penn State. We've already seen the stats

1529
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: over the last six years or seven years. If they

1530
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 1: would have the playoffs, they'd be in it every year.

1531
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 1: And the one thing James hangs his hat on is recruiting.

1532
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's one thing you say. James Franklin is

1533
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 1: great at recruiting, right in game coaching recruiting. So I

1534
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: you could argue this could just nothing could change, you know,

1535
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 1: six and six, maybe they're eight and four. But I

1536
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: don't know. They'd have to catch lightning in a bottle.

1537
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're ever going to see the

1538
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: Lincoln that they bought. I think this might be the

1539
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 1: new normal, you know, which is when you're paying that

1540
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: type of premium. What was that building? Was that a

1541
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 1: home game for Notre Dame.

1542
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 2: No, it was, it was seventy five, it was eighty

1543
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 2: twenty USC it was a.

1544
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 1: Notre Dame was I'm an apathetic group yet, but it's

1545
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: they've got to be pretty down right.

1546
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 2: The big apathy. The Big Ten saves them because the Nebraska's, Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan,

1547
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 2: Ohio State travels so well. That's what really saves them.

1548
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 2: They'll have good revenue because of their collective and let's

1549
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 2: be honest, twenty thousand Big Ten fans in the winter,

1550
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 2: they're going to LA to watch that game.

1551
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 1: To me, where you have no excuse, like, listen, you

1552
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 1: lose the Oregon, you lose Ohio State, like maybe you're

1553
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 1: not as good. You cannot be losing to the middle

1554
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: of the pack Maryland. And when you look at the

1555
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: middle of the pack and the Big Ten, what is

1556
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: the difference between UCLA and Rutgers and USC like that?

1557
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,640
Speaker 1: That's that's what would really shake me if I was

1558
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: a USC fan, is we're not just middle of the pack.

1559
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: From a talent standpoint, When I watch him play, it

1560
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 1: looks the same. It's always been my defense of the SEC.

1561
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 1: It's like you just watched the SEC it's different, like ye,

1562
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 1: there's just more. Obviously Ohio State and Oregon have the equivalent,

1563
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 1: but the middle of the Big Ten and the middle

1564
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: of the SEC. Even if the records are the same,

1565
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: the talent discreptancy is obvious. And USC's did they kind

1566
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: of had an easy schedule this year. Did they play

1567
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 1: Ohiose State?

1568
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 2: They did not play Ohio State, nor do they play

1569
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,600
Speaker 2: Ohio State next year. So if you look at I

1570
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 2: mean Lincoln got a big break. He didn't get Oregon

1571
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 2: or Ohio State this year. He didn't get Ohio State

1572
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 2: next year. So even it's funny you ask, I looked

1573
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 2: at USC schedule yesterday, and they have the home in

1574
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 2: a ways, it's a really they get Michigan at home,

1575
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 2: they get a couple of their you know, they get

1576
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 2: a couple of their tough games at home, so they're

1577
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 2: getting They don't have an LSU on the schedule. They

1578
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 2: play like Georgia, Southern Southwest, Missouri State. They do an

1579
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 2: SEC out of conference schedule, so that if you look

1580
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 2: at the schedule next year, John, it is by Big

1581
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 2: Ten standards, it is a cake walk.

1582
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: The other thing is and obviously football at USC is

1583
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: way bigger than basketball. Yeah, but muscleman kind of has

1584
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 1: a history of winning and just kind of playing the part, right,

1585
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 1: so he's just god. He just can shake some hands,

1586
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,719
Speaker 1: he can put on a smile, he can play the part.

1587
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 1: Like you don't get to be just grumpy Belichick in college, right,

1588
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: you can do that in the NFL. As long as

1589
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,799
Speaker 1: you win in college, you do have to shake hands.

1590
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: Donors nil, And now they're going to be comparing in

1591
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 1: Derek Musselman, who's been winning at all these places. And

1592
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:44,480
Speaker 1: then you got Lincoln kind of henery, scowls, not smiling.

1593
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 1: I think you asked yourself, and this is what I

1594
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: said from the beginning. Does he even want to be there?

1595
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 1: Did he just get an offer so gigantic that no

1596
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 1: human could turn down? Where it's like he was already

1597
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 1: so rich, he's looking at his bank account, my life.

1598
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 1: Do I regret this? I think you gotta say, if

1599
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 1: he could do if he could do it over again?

1600
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 1: Is he the coach at USC right now? I think

1601
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 1: you'd have to say no.

1602
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 2: Right. I still think he believes based on the recruiting,

1603
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 2: the interior defensive line recruiting the last couple of years.

1604
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 2: I think he believes next year's the season, but they

1605
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 2: don't have a quarterback. They don't have an elite quarterback,

1606
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 2: so shit, who knows. John Middelkoff, former NFL scout as

1607
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,440
Speaker 2: Olas crushed it, buddy.

1608
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:31,519
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