Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to another edition Oh the Smoke. We ain't been
Speaker 1: in the studio for my brother. I'm happy to be back, though,
Speaker 1: to be back. I see your hands are nice and dry.
Speaker 1: I was speaking to nice and dry. You know what
Speaker 1: I need? I need my products. Oh man, I'll bring
Speaker 1: them tomorrow. I ran driving, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But that was a low key dish. I know I
Speaker 1: didn't get intri but he said, he said, I see
Speaker 1: your hands a nice and dry. Yeah. Them used to
Speaker 1: be first season, the first day swamp nuts hands over
Speaker 1: here to get to the lights. You know you're a
Speaker 1: little nervous. Yeah, tell you've done this ship before, so
Speaker 1: white man. I didn't want to let that just go on.
Speaker 1: You know what. I'm glad you're here because normally nobody everything.
Speaker 1: I laugh at everything because everybody miss Matt as Matt
Speaker 1: just as sleek as you might. Welcome to the man
Speaker 1: and one of my favorite people. Man. I got a
Speaker 1: chance to meet them. Been a fan of him for
Speaker 1: a long time, although I feel like he played Remy
Speaker 1: too well and higher learning. We're talking about that ship
Speaker 1: later and Mike Rapp, Baby, I don't even feel like
Speaker 1: a guess. I feel like I'm just I mean, I
Speaker 1: just I love you guys that I love the show
Speaker 1: and I'm so not surprised that you guys are banging
Speaker 1: and doing your ship. You've been in the locker rooms
Speaker 1: with the uncessed Top with me, so you know what
Speaker 1: the Big Three, I mean this guy yeah smoking that
Speaker 1: locker like NBA locker room and we and we had
Speaker 1: great yeah we yeah, I mean there was me and him.
Speaker 1: It went viral, had a little ghetto get it back
Speaker 1: before the game. That'sh I hope the Big Three comes
Speaker 1: back because that ship was fun. Fun as funk. I
Speaker 1: have so much fun doing that ship. Like I said,
Speaker 1: we're on the bus sometimes I'll take I'll hit you
Speaker 1: ride with the team and I'm like, all right, I'm in.
Speaker 1: I'm in the NBA likes and like everybody's just hanging
Speaker 1: out like this before the game and like what do
Speaker 1: we do before they get Like I feel like it's
Speaker 1: like a part of the team. Man, I'm like I'm
Speaker 1: on the team. Like I'm like, what are we doing today? Coach?
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, the whole Big Three
Speaker 1: as a team because we all ended together. It's fun.
Speaker 1: It's so much fun, so much fun for me. So
Speaker 1: one thing I want to start, Man, where we're at
Speaker 1: currently in this country. You're one of the most outspoken
Speaker 1: people on social media. Um, you know, you really speak
Speaker 1: your mind. I appreciate and respect that people laugh. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have people rolling them just about the way you
Speaker 1: go at our former president and his family, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean for me, I've never I'll be totally honest,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure it's similar with you guys. I never
Speaker 1: spoke on politics. I never knew anything. I never gave
Speaker 1: it a second thought. I didn't I didn't uh speak
Speaker 1: on uh Barack. I didn't speak on Hillary. I didn't
Speaker 1: speak I didn't even speak on Trump, Hillary election anything
Speaker 1: before that. Before I didn't care about politics, and I
Speaker 1: never crossed my felt It is like, you know, most younger,
Speaker 1: dumb motherfucker's like, this is just some ship. You know,
Speaker 1: some corny ship. Has nothing to do with me. The
Speaker 1: thing about Trump that has made me well, the one
Speaker 1: thing that's been good about is I have learned a
Speaker 1: lot about politics in the last He forced me, and
Speaker 1: he forced a lot of people, and he forced a
Speaker 1: lot of people to vote that felt the same way
Speaker 1: as me. And that's why he fucking lost. That's why
Speaker 1: he fucking lost because a lot of people publicly and
Speaker 1: Joe Schmos on the corner who never paid attention, we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: funk this ship. But for me, because because but for me,
Speaker 1: it was just you know, the reason why I talked
Speaker 1: so disrespectful, disrespectfully to him, and it's and it's people
Speaker 1: know that it's different than when I'm talking about an
Speaker 1: athlete or the Knicks is because he's he's so disrespectful. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's so disrespectful. And and I'll never I can't imagine ever. Like,
Speaker 1: we have the new administration coming in. They're gonna do
Speaker 1: some things we like, they're gonna do some things we
Speaker 1: don't like. Don't be fooled into thinking I got the
Speaker 1: COVID test, by the way, don't be fooled in to
Speaker 1: think that they're not. But but it won't be done
Speaker 1: in a malicious way. And the the divisiveness, the divisiveness
Speaker 1: is unforgivable and and the continuing of it to this
Speaker 1: day where you're playing games where you're not leaving, you're
Speaker 1: gonna leave. You lost, no bitch, it's no bitch. You
Speaker 1: did lose, bitch, And you are gonna leave. And if
Speaker 1: you don't leave on your own accord, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: dragged the funk out with decip tize. Okay, And and
Speaker 1: your people ain't doing shit. There's not gonna be any
Speaker 1: fucking civil war, um and on mark on January one,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be there, so you can continue kicking
Speaker 1: all the Willie Bobo bullshit your kick until then. It's
Speaker 1: it's a it's a form of emotional terrorizing. He's terrorizing us.
Speaker 1: He's terrorizing You're not gonna leave. No, you're gonna can leave.
Speaker 1: Your fucking your daughters leaving your two bumbass sons are
Speaker 1: leaving your fucking miserable wife is leading to a leaving
Speaker 1: whatever it is, and and and but like the language
Speaker 1: that I use is because it's just it's just genuine
Speaker 1: Like I don't appreciate the disrespect that don't appreciate the
Speaker 1: way he speaks to people. I don't appreciate the nicknames.
Speaker 1: This is not basketball, This ain't three on three, This
Speaker 1: ain't football, This is not snapping, This ain't comedy. This
Speaker 1: ain't uh any of that ship. You're you're giving people nicknames. No,
Speaker 1: I got a nickname for you. You're not fuck that
Speaker 1: like you know? And and and it's not like I think, um,
Speaker 1: I know, I like, I do know a lot more
Speaker 1: about politics than I did. I don't consider myself an
Speaker 1: expert or anyway. But it's like just to be presidential,
Speaker 1: you have to be at least presidentially. Something is so
Speaker 1: low he said the bar solo and and some people said, well,
Speaker 1: you say you you're just like him. I go, I'm
Speaker 1: a fucking actor, comedian. I ain't the fucking president. And
Speaker 1: if it was the president, I would behave in a
Speaker 1: way that that serves the job, Like what the fund
Speaker 1: is wrong with you? You're crazy? And so that that's
Speaker 1: what it's brought out of me. And the first time
Speaker 1: we were actually doing the Big Three when when I
Speaker 1: really went nuts. The two things that got my attention
Speaker 1: when he disrespected McCain and he said, I like my
Speaker 1: prisoners of war not to be capturers, Like what the
Speaker 1: funking you? You're a draft dodger, You're a piece of ship,
Speaker 1: You're a bitch, yo, You're if if we're playing ball,
Speaker 1: be like I got this motherfucker. You score. You're a
Speaker 1: bitch ass motherfucker and I'm gonna post them up. Give
Speaker 1: me the ball, this bitch ass motherfucker. This guy all
Speaker 1: day like you're that dude, and and so to insult
Speaker 1: somebody McCain. I didn't know nothing about McCain. I still
Speaker 1: don't know anything about it, but I know he went
Speaker 1: to fucking war, he was a there's a um locked
Speaker 1: up abroad on him. You're a fucking draft dodger, so
Speaker 1: you're crazy. And then the Charlottesville ship, like, yo, it
Speaker 1: doesn't take much to say these people are fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: And if you are so desperate to endorse them and
Speaker 1: you need those votes, fuck you. Fuck you. And then
Speaker 1: that was during the Big Three when I was like
Speaker 1: with the charlettes Field ship, because when you start talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, Jews will not replace us and and and
Speaker 1: and all this crazy ship, I'm like, yo' I'm not
Speaker 1: That's just how I am. Like, I'm not gonna sit
Speaker 1: there and be like not saying thing. And some people,
Speaker 1: why are you doing that? I'm like, why aren't you
Speaker 1: doing it? Why aren't you saying something so that people
Speaker 1: like President that what the fuck? Who normal person would
Speaker 1: say that ship like I mean, so, it's just it's
Speaker 1: just been so frustrating and and and you know, and
Speaker 1: the way he tries to stir people up. And that's
Speaker 1: why I just stay on him because I'm just like,
Speaker 1: you're getting the funk out January twenty, motherfucker. And you
Speaker 1: know you're getting the funk up. So package shit, okay,
Speaker 1: or have whoever else you need to package. Ship. You're
Speaker 1: never coming back. There ain't gonna be no portrait. So
Speaker 1: you're fatast. There's no freeway, there's no bridges, there's no airports.
Speaker 1: You're fucking you're you're you're a ship stain on this
Speaker 1: country and really on the world. You're an embarrassment in
Speaker 1: bed to. One thing he did I think is he's
Speaker 1: it's almost a line drawn in the sand. Now like
Speaker 1: before you said, you know, whether you're engage in politics
Speaker 1: or not. Before, if someone else wanted it was never like, okay,
Speaker 1: well he won. Now it's almost like the other side.
Speaker 1: And that's what I don't like, because I really agree.
Speaker 1: You know, there's still over seventy million people who voted
Speaker 1: for him. I agree. So and I'm just on something
Speaker 1: and I'm just like you fuck this funk that fuck him.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, if we're ever
Speaker 1: gonna progress, I agree, we have to know what those
Speaker 1: seventy million people saw a thought and why, And I'm
Speaker 1: sure they want to know what about us because you know,
Speaker 1: Biden Hairs both have spotty records, so I think. And
Speaker 1: then there's people like Jack that kind of feels like
Speaker 1: the system has been playing us, is always gonna play us,
Speaker 1: so fucking so to me, those three worlds need to collide.
Speaker 1: I totally agree up because we're like your damn if
Speaker 1: you do, your damn if you're don't. So people look
Speaker 1: at us crazy because we voted for Biden Herris. People
Speaker 1: might look at Jack crazy because he didn't vote. People
Speaker 1: look at people who voted for Trump like so there's
Speaker 1: no real win here. So to me, fucking everybody that
Speaker 1: has to be like we somehow have to kind of
Speaker 1: come together and figure out like what is and to
Speaker 1: just to dismiss every single one of those seventy million
Speaker 1: people that voted for Trump as as a racist. You're
Speaker 1: fucking stupid, can't you can't. I guarantee you one of
Speaker 1: them seventy million, I know, and I with I guarantee
Speaker 1: you someone that I might not know, but I guarantee
Speaker 1: you it's one of them. Seven million. We have a
Speaker 1: lot of them. We have to listen. We have to
Speaker 1: listen because okay, Biden Harris one now, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: four years, whether it's Tim, whether it's the next person.
Speaker 1: And and we have there seventy million people don't come
Speaker 1: out for no reason. There's not seventy million million people
Speaker 1: that are like, I hate black people, I hate Jews,
Speaker 1: I hate this. That's why I'm voting. It's not that simple.
Speaker 1: And I've said that on social media. People like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, like they want to castrate me. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm I watch all that ship, I watch Fox News,
Speaker 1: I listened to Ben Shapiro, I watch all the news places.
Speaker 1: First of all, they're all the same fucking thing. It's
Speaker 1: literally like and and these are my guys. It's literally
Speaker 1: like skipping Chin and we know that skipping Shannon don't
Speaker 1: fucking like Skip doesn't hate Lebron as much as he says,
Speaker 1: and stephen A doesn't. You know. It's like performances, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And those news people are the
Speaker 1: same thing. But you have to watch. It's like you
Speaker 1: have to understand. It's like, if you're playing another team,
Speaker 1: don't you want to see what the playbook is? Don't
Speaker 1: you want to hear what their huddlers doing. So I
Speaker 1: watch it all and and in turn it it's helped
Speaker 1: me understand a little bit more. And it's not about
Speaker 1: the people who voted for him. For me personally, it's
Speaker 1: that motherfucker. It's it's just and like and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: don't don't you people that voted him, don't you have standards?
Speaker 1: Like don't you want to hold him to some standards?
Speaker 1: Like he's just talking crazy? Like okay, you're Republican, God
Speaker 1: bless you, but you like this is this is your guy.
Speaker 1: This the best you got. So you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: been interesting and and and it's, uh, it's I definitely
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, I appreciate the the learning about it.
Speaker 1: And I mean, and like I was saying to Jack,
Speaker 1: I mean, this year has been so fucking crazy, you know,
Speaker 1: on so many different levels, starting with Kobe, which we
Speaker 1: thought would how could anything get so more like shocking?
Speaker 1: And then it's like that feels like it's happened ten
Speaker 1: years ago, Domin and and you know, and all the
Speaker 1: racial stuff and you know, and and it's just been
Speaker 1: one thing in the Corona and then not Corona and
Speaker 1: you know, real, not real, it's just been has been
Speaker 1: a motherfucker. Man. When we look back, like this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a pivotal part of history, for sure. You know,
Speaker 1: we're we're we're smack dab in the middle of it,
Speaker 1: and we're still getting killed by police, Rappers are getting
Speaker 1: killed each other, killing each other, like continuing to get
Speaker 1: and I mean to think, yeah, I mean, and don't
Speaker 1: be fooled, you know, because I voted for Biden and
Speaker 1: Harris and you did that. We think that they're gonna say, mother,
Speaker 1: they're not. This is gonna be a process, and we
Speaker 1: don't even know if they're the right choice. But I
Speaker 1: think we had to get someone out there, like you
Speaker 1: said earlier, caused so much division in this country, just
Speaker 1: some decency because these people are not uh Scott free
Speaker 1: body track. To me, what would encourage me about these
Speaker 1: two is because they've had such spotty track rerigords to
Speaker 1: the black and brown community. Both of them have had
Speaker 1: their fair share with the crime bill, and and what
Speaker 1: Harris was doing up north that I think they're going
Speaker 1: to try to go above and beyond to write those
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I think they want to fix
Speaker 1: and and and and hopefully. I mean, it's a long process.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of fixing to do. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of fixing to do, and and and at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, motherfucker's got to start fixing themselves. You know.
Speaker 1: That's where it starts. You know, one thing, it's a
Speaker 1: controversial thing, and I don't know why it's controversial. I
Speaker 1: do not know why on social media it's controversial. Why
Speaker 1: when you only on social media. But we were talking
Speaker 1: about like the reaction on social which is not the
Speaker 1: real reaction of the role, but the like you saying,
Speaker 1: rappers getting shot. You know, black people are still killing
Speaker 1: black people on the regular, and people say, well, that's
Speaker 1: a part of systemic racism. Okay, Well that's a major
Speaker 1: part of it. That's happening in every city every fucking day.
Speaker 1: So if they go, well it's a part, there's a
Speaker 1: bigger picture, because well, we need to fix this immediately
Speaker 1: because there's lives being lost of innocent, not innocent women, babies,
Speaker 1: and for some fucking reason, I don't know why. I
Speaker 1: don't know why if it's because a white person is
Speaker 1: bringing up or it doesn't seem like anybody wants to
Speaker 1: bring it up. I don't understand why this is not
Speaker 1: something that like if we're talking about an issue that's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like a fucking pandemic, that's a pandemic where
Speaker 1: And one thing, you know, that's the first thing with
Speaker 1: the whole Black Lives Matter movement that people want to
Speaker 1: point out black Lives matter, why are blacks killing each other?
Speaker 1: And they and they have a point to an extent,
Speaker 1: and it's deeper than this. But one thing that I
Speaker 1: know for sure is we just need to get out
Speaker 1: there and work with people and work on the root
Speaker 1: called advanced piece. And what we do is we work.
Speaker 1: We're based in northern California where we're building the Sacramento
Speaker 1: chapter up now. It's started in rich Man and it's
Speaker 1: in Stockton with mayor Tubs and it's really it's a
Speaker 1: program where we get on the ground and actually talk
Speaker 1: to the shooters and most people who are most likely
Speaker 1: to be shot, because all we ever want to do
Speaker 1: is tell people put their guns down, stop doing that,
Speaker 1: stop doing that. But then what are we tooling them with?
Speaker 1: Two if but what are you giving them too? So
Speaker 1: I'm telling Jack put your gun down? But then what
Speaker 1: like what am I giving you a computer? Am I
Speaker 1: giving you a microphone? Am I giving you a camera? Like?
Speaker 1: What am I giving you? To better yourself or make
Speaker 1: some money? You know? I mean? So that's what this
Speaker 1: program is, is, like you said, deep programming them, getting
Speaker 1: them in this program, setting goals, and I'm allowing them
Speaker 1: to after they passed a certain amount of months in
Speaker 1: this program, allowing them to actually earn money, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it just has to be more
Speaker 1: ground roots stuff. So we're in California and we're gonna
Speaker 1: start going nationwide. But that is a huge issue in
Speaker 1: the black and brown community, particularly the black communities. Is
Speaker 1: us killing each other just over some dung? For you
Speaker 1: guys like especially, I mean, because I know how you
Speaker 1: get down. I know how you get down. You've been
Speaker 1: for some reason, God put in the middle of this
Speaker 1: at six months maybe five five or six months since
Speaker 1: to George Floyd passing and you guys both being you know,
Speaker 1: frontline people, people who people, uh know, our real motherfucker's
Speaker 1: what's been the biggest eye opener that you've learned? Just
Speaker 1: about the way this whole ship works. He was really
Speaker 1: front line. He started the movement. So I think for me,
Speaker 1: you know that you didn't know or think about the
Speaker 1: day you went to Minnesota were everything Everything was new
Speaker 1: to me. You know, I've never been in a position.
Speaker 1: I never thought I'd see people riding and protesting and
Speaker 1: me showing up and people want to tasht up up
Speaker 1: in my name and my brother's name like that was
Speaker 1: a mind blowing for me, you know, just to have
Speaker 1: our back and for eighteen countries and fifty states all
Speaker 1: the protests from my brother was mind blowing. But I
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing that blew me, Mike, this was
Speaker 1: the day I went there. To two things. The day
Speaker 1: I went there to speak up for my brother, how
Speaker 1: many other mothers that needed to Stephen Jackson to speak
Speaker 1: up for them right, that lost their kids, that they
Speaker 1: didn't have nobody to speak up for him. Then to
Speaker 1: going out when I'm doing these giftbacks and giving back
Speaker 1: to these areas that need, it's all racist that's in
Speaker 1: these areas that need, that's struggling, that that don't have
Speaker 1: nothing right, you know what I mean. So so I
Speaker 1: inherited not only just black people pain when I go
Speaker 1: these ghettos and and and tears coming in my eyes
Speaker 1: because I see these people living and don't have a thing.
Speaker 1: I've inherited every race pain in the areas where we
Speaker 1: come from. So what I learned most is that there's
Speaker 1: so many people that don't have Mike, that we don't
Speaker 1: have no room for hate or no room to to
Speaker 1: to belittle somebody else and not care about the next person,
Speaker 1: because there's so many people that need we need We
Speaker 1: need everybody to to to to end this. We need everybody.
Speaker 1: Do you do when you're out there doing that the
Speaker 1: hand nouns and stuff like that, are is it like?
Speaker 1: Because I'm like I would say I want to go,
Speaker 1: but I can't funk with it because of the corona.
Speaker 1: But when you're out there like that ship has to
Speaker 1: have a toll on you, right, Yeah, you know it has.
Speaker 1: I mean I've I've gotten many a text them. You know,
Speaker 1: bro get some rest, taking time, you know, because for
Speaker 1: like three or four months to tell I wasn't sleeping.
Speaker 1: I was just doing off my heart And I still
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm doing, Mike, but I know I'm
Speaker 1: doing what's right. And uh, yeah, I thought about COVID
Speaker 1: and all that, but I think, you know, my my
Speaker 1: faith in God and me knowing that I was doing
Speaker 1: something right, bigger than myself, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I I just I just had confidence that he was
Speaker 1: gonna protect me. And fifteen tests in, I haven't had COVID.
Speaker 1: But I'm just doing what, you know, what God asked
Speaker 1: me to do and hoping I'm making everybody proud, not
Speaker 1: just my people, but everybody proud, because when you're out
Speaker 1: there like you, you're not like, oh I can't give you.
Speaker 1: Your people are crying. You got I think the one
Speaker 1: thing you know that I learned from a difference point
Speaker 1: of view at me because Jack and I have talked
Speaker 1: extensively about this, but just the fact that there are
Speaker 1: really cops out there trying to terrorize and kill black
Speaker 1: people had an alarming rate. Like you said, people want
Speaker 1: to compare with what blacks are doing. You're right, but
Speaker 1: black people aren't paid to protecting are you know, they're
Speaker 1: we're doing what we're doing. But there's police officers who
Speaker 1: are paid to protect and serve. And you see the
Speaker 1: swat excuse me, the sheriff team and in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: County with those tattoos about killing black and browns and
Speaker 1: doing whatever, and the police brutality that continues to you know,
Speaker 1: terrorize our and plague our country. And people always want
Speaker 1: to say, well, they kill more white, there's more white people.
Speaker 1: That's why they're by you know, by numbers. But on average,
Speaker 1: blacks are being killed more. And the crazy part is
Speaker 1: nothing is being done about it. Like I think that
Speaker 1: George Floyd's situation was so impactful one because it was
Speaker 1: a real strong, you know, a celebrity voice behind it
Speaker 1: that looked just like George pushing it. But we are
Speaker 1: all sitting down from COVID to and it forced us
Speaker 1: for eight and a half minutes to watch a man
Speaker 1: suffer like normally when they take us down, it's a
Speaker 1: shot and unfortunately lots of time it's death. But you
Speaker 1: see someone playing for you know, their mom and doing
Speaker 1: what they're doing. So it really awoke people up. But
Speaker 1: even with that said, and you would never the first
Speaker 1: thing that I said about it, you would never ever
Speaker 1: and and people go, you would never see a white
Speaker 1: cop do that to a white man on Lexington Avenue.
Speaker 1: I'm saying where I'm from in the on the east
Speaker 1: side of the head. You just it's never happened, and
Speaker 1: you would never see it, fucking like a fucking animal
Speaker 1: and just wouldn't see it. But then if you think too,
Speaker 1: I mean, there was still that people had enough nerve
Speaker 1: to kind of justify, well, what did he do before
Speaker 1: he was on drugs or he don't like he didn't
Speaker 1: deserve that. No one deserves that, no color, no nothing,
Speaker 1: none of that, you know what I mean, Like a
Speaker 1: normal you don't do that to an animal at all,
Speaker 1: do it? Vic got you know, Mike Vick got crucified
Speaker 1: for for for doing stuff to animals that that that
Speaker 1: you know, and then you see this live in front
Speaker 1: of us. But it's just a tough time, you know.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't want to get stuck in
Speaker 1: this area conversation too much. But you know, I just
Speaker 1: think hopefully things are changed. Has been a hell of
Speaker 1: a roller coaster, man, and and I think some good
Speaker 1: things around the brink for all of us. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we just kind of have to stay the course.
Speaker 1: But let's Shane, just fucking subject. Let's talk about the
Speaker 1: fucking Lakers. Okay, let's talk about talk about the Lakers.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, long Knicks fans, you want to
Speaker 1: talk about the Knicks first, talk about get me talk
Speaker 1: about the Knicks first. Let's let's talk what is wrong
Speaker 1: with your your team? I mean as a play word
Speaker 1: for Jackie Jackie Okay, as a player, Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's the mecca. You know, it's it's not it
Speaker 1: used to be. It's not anymore. No, not not not
Speaker 1: even close. But my re member when we were first
Speaker 1: coming to league, it's still had the ore. It's died
Speaker 1: off by far. And it used to have a real
Speaker 1: or back in the day. But the energy of the
Speaker 1: fans and the city and the knowledge of the fans
Speaker 1: and good basketball, and it just hasn't been that for some.
Speaker 1: It's a fucking ship show. Maddie Barnes and the trade
Speaker 1: things started today, okay. And I used to not be
Speaker 1: one of these, Oh it's the owner. I I used
Speaker 1: to like, you know, uh like even with the Patriots
Speaker 1: fun Bob Kraft. It's not it's not the owner, you know.
Speaker 1: And for years I didn't even jump on the Dolan
Speaker 1: is a piece of ship thing. I literally didn't pay
Speaker 1: any attend. My father was Doland Dolan. Dolan and you'd
Speaker 1: hear people say, and I'm like, what, Dolan had nothing
Speaker 1: to do? What are you talking about? These guys ain't shit.
Speaker 1: We're changing our coaches every goddamn fucking two or three seasons. Uh.
Speaker 1: And now I we've we've we've changed rosters. The crazy
Speaker 1: thing is right now, okay, the season is going to
Speaker 1: start the December, right, I will have to look at
Speaker 1: the goddamn roster again and be like, who the fuck
Speaker 1: are at least eight of these fucking guys, Like like
Speaker 1: I'm doing some sort of quiz, like a spelling bee,
Speaker 1: Like if I was doing like a Friday quizzing. This
Speaker 1: guy heard Frankie cigarettes. We got I mean, this is
Speaker 1: not a culture. So you know, Frankie cigarette, Frankie nicotine.
Speaker 1: But like you know, this this cliche of culture and
Speaker 1: all that ship. The culture is so fucked up in
Speaker 1: New York. And when we talk about trades and we
Speaker 1: talk about like James Harden, they're they're throwing his name
Speaker 1: around to Brooklyn. They're not even mentioning the Knicks. He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he wants a trade. Whether whether or not that's true,
Speaker 1: I have no idea. The Knicks aren't even in the
Speaker 1: conversation and this fuck Dolan, he's infected. It's like if
Speaker 1: the building has a spestos he put a sbestos in
Speaker 1: the world's most famous arena, and and another thing. And
Speaker 1: you guys know this better than I do. You played
Speaker 1: in New York right, Okay, when you played in New York,
Speaker 1: where do you live in the suburbs? Right? White planes? Now,
Speaker 1: for people that don't know New York City, white planes,
Speaker 1: no disrespect. Is a great place to live if you
Speaker 1: have a wife, two kids, and you've got kids that
Speaker 1: are going to school and all, and a dog or
Speaker 1: two dogs, actually for two dogs. But when you're twenty
Speaker 1: four years old, this is not the New York City experience.
Speaker 1: You go to the games and then you gotta trug
Speaker 1: your an hour forty five minutes, hour and a half
Speaker 1: after the game. If you chill out, get a drink,
Speaker 1: you maybe could maybe an hour fifteen minutes. You not
Speaker 1: living in New York City. The practice facility is upstate.
Speaker 1: There's no way like you're gonna be like I want like,
Speaker 1: if you're a young twenty five year old basketball player, Uh,
Speaker 1: that's not the New York experience. Brooklyn. You could you
Speaker 1: live in Brooklyn, which is a dope place. You practice
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, you play in Brooklyn and you're ten minutes
Speaker 1: away from Manhattan. That's sexy. That's dope, that's fly. No
Speaker 1: disrespect to the Sacker moms, that's not dope. Nobody wants
Speaker 1: that ship, especially if you can choose it. And it's
Speaker 1: the place they shooted on Oakley and it's the place
Speaker 1: where they fired this coach and fired that coach and
Speaker 1: fucking Phil Jackson and the goddamn Derek Fisher and everything,
Speaker 1: and that was like, I don't even I can't even
Speaker 1: keep track of the years, but I'm so sick as
Speaker 1: a fan of of trying to learn these this roster
Speaker 1: every year. There's no core guys and and and no
Speaker 1: disrespect to my guy, Russell Westbrook, love him. This is
Speaker 1: not a fix Russell. Now, yeah, he'll light up the
Speaker 1: guard and a couple of nights, we're we're we're fucked up.
Speaker 1: And they got the Worldwide West and the Leon Rose.
Speaker 1: These things all sound good on paper. The fucking game
Speaker 1: needs to be played with you fucking guys and the
Speaker 1: tall fucking guys that could play and a coach and
Speaker 1: we're fucked and and to go into the season knowing
Speaker 1: we haven't played since March uh and and the twenty
Speaker 1: two December, and like this is what we were starting
Speaker 1: up with him. Like I personally love basketball enough where
Speaker 1: I go, I'm gonna just enjoy the rest of the league.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm not gonna sit here and be miserable.
Speaker 1: People like you're at Golden State Warriors games. I go,
Speaker 1: motherfucking right, at this is Fun's gonna be miserable with
Speaker 1: the guarden watching these dogs shit. And I flipped on
Speaker 1: Porzingis when he decided to leave. He was fucking right.
Speaker 1: I was like, fuck you, Porzingis. I apologize to him
Speaker 1: and I and k D. He said, oh, it's not cool,
Speaker 1: and I said, fuck you Katie that. I said, he's right,
Speaker 1: He's fucking right. He was right, he was fucking right.
Speaker 1: I was wrong. And I've come to terms this is
Speaker 1: like an abusive relationship, being a FA And I know
Speaker 1: you guys are you don't look at it the same
Speaker 1: as now because you're part of it. But as a fan,
Speaker 1: like growing up being growing up in Manhattan with Bernard
Speaker 1: King and the Knicks and then the nineties teams that
Speaker 1: represented I know we didn't get the chip, but at
Speaker 1: least you could feel proud. Definitely not teams that we
Speaker 1: could feeling proud of. We have an owner who sits
Speaker 1: there with his fucking beard died, you know, sitting there
Speaker 1: with his fat stomach next to you. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a This guy's a fucking joke, and and it's every
Speaker 1: fucking year. This is New York City, and we feel
Speaker 1: but we feel you're paying in a different way, you know,
Speaker 1: like we not might not be from New York and
Speaker 1: be that hard fans, but as guys who played in
Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden, as guys who always wanted to do
Speaker 1: in the season one to go there and play and
Speaker 1: play against the Knicks, we understand the importance of it, right.
Speaker 1: We understand its important than the Knicks make to the
Speaker 1: important Nicks out to the NBA and how much better
Speaker 1: the league is when the Knicks are competitive. We understand that.
Speaker 1: What's your guys like if you say you're one memory
Speaker 1: of like a great Madison Square Garden experience that you had,
Speaker 1: whether you were when you were playing or just a
Speaker 1: night watching. I would think watching the nineties, you know
Speaker 1: MJ Battle as Plane was it one gaming Um definitely
Speaker 1: me playing Golden State I had a real good game there,
Speaker 1: but also getting a chance to battle against Alan Houston
Speaker 1: when I was younger, when I first come into the league,
Speaker 1: the garden in was unbelievable. It was unbelievable. What year
Speaker 1: was that. I think this was, oh two or three,
Speaker 1: right were still had hope they won ninety nine, Maybe
Speaker 1: it was maybe it's two thousands, my first year. That's sick.
Speaker 1: When do you feel like it started going wrong because
Speaker 1: you got rain your course with like you said, you
Speaker 1: guys went went to the finals at ninety nine with
Speaker 1: l joke. Um, what was it was great? It was great.
Speaker 1: It was great, Grandmama, it was bull and I appreciated
Speaker 1: it then. I don't know when, you know, I was,
Speaker 1: I was oblivious for years. I was just kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's gonna get better, and it's gonna get better. I
Speaker 1: have to say that, you know, the Phil Jackson, I
Speaker 1: really you know, I directed the thirty for thirty to
Speaker 1: win the Card of Freedom, and and I was so
Speaker 1: like swept up in the Phil Jackson of it all
Speaker 1: and that not going well really for me personally, that
Speaker 1: really it just disappointed me, man. And I was like
Speaker 1: a lot of people hope they don't gave a lot
Speaker 1: of people hope. But I even feel like, Okay, they
Speaker 1: got feel you know, they got a mind there like
Speaker 1: this is gonna happen, you know. And then and then
Speaker 1: phizz and then they and I'm like, what is going
Speaker 1: to funk on? Here? Man? And then you know, I
Speaker 1: just can't get on that fucking train. You know, I
Speaker 1: can't get on that train. I'm hyped for the twenty second.
Speaker 1: I'm excited about these young guys. You know, I love
Speaker 1: the NBA so fucking much. It's so much fun. And
Speaker 1: like this year under Durest, you know, and I know
Speaker 1: you guys were played, don't play, But when they got
Speaker 1: to that fucking bubble and they were playing, it wasn't
Speaker 1: because they were so focused. I was just like, I mean, that's,
Speaker 1: you know, what a fucking I appreciate the weird times
Speaker 1: of being out here in ten am games. It was
Speaker 1: like fucking march madness. I was like, this is dumb.
Speaker 1: And of course I rooted against the Lakers, but that's
Speaker 1: all part of the thrill of victory and the agony
Speaker 1: of defeat. That's as a fan, that's what you want.
Speaker 1: When I was there courtside when you guys, huh when
Speaker 1: do we believe? I was courtside in front of the
Speaker 1: the the the the iPhone guy, and I watched Jerky
Speaker 1: Vinsky his fucking face dropped. Sent that motherfucker home with
Speaker 1: his envy pet trophy, which is probably in a closet.
Speaker 1: That's not the way to get an m v pet.
Speaker 1: This is what the basketball is about. I love that ship.
Speaker 1: And I was there with you when him You might
Speaker 1: have been there too. And when when Deray, when they
Speaker 1: won the first when they won their first championship, when
Speaker 1: I brought the fucking the broom to Cleveland and then
Speaker 1: they and then I brought the plunger to fucking Golden State.
Speaker 1: They didn't sweak them, but then they plunged the motherfucker's back.
Speaker 1: But I love it all, so I could take the
Speaker 1: winds in the losses. It's just it's just I just
Speaker 1: love basketball so much and and and you know, as
Speaker 1: a fan, just as a fan of people get all
Speaker 1: flipped out when I talk my I'm like, I'm just
Speaker 1: a fan, man. It's just you just have a platform
Speaker 1: you can express your opinion. They won't, They fucking won't.
Speaker 1: Got stuff. I got fucking clay I even I I
Speaker 1: got fucking Leberne, I got the fucking I mean, I
Speaker 1: never in my wildest dreams that I think I would
Speaker 1: be rooting for the Boston Celtics against everything you breathe,
Speaker 1: these fucking guys, but like I, you know, but I'm
Speaker 1: you're you know, and the Milwaukee Bucks like I'm cheering, freezing.
Speaker 1: But that's what you gotta. You gotta diversify your assets
Speaker 1: when you are a flyer, doper, sexier team, and it's
Speaker 1: a sexier lifestyle. If I was James Harden, like you
Speaker 1: see Kyrie riding on his bike, that's sick. You're riding
Speaker 1: on your bike in Brooklyn, fifteen minutes away from your arena,
Speaker 1: and you probably live in some stupid fucking high rise
Speaker 1: crap and brook that's fucking sexy. If I'm a star player,
Speaker 1: that's what I want to do, not this fucking soccer
Speaker 1: mom ship up players, fucking Volvo, you know station Wagon. Hey,
Speaker 1: so we had run our tests a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and he talked about his nick experience and and how
Speaker 1: he thought he was allowed to go to the team,
Speaker 1: and he got drunk and went to famingos and missed
Speaker 1: the fucking workout. He went to a draft ship with
Speaker 1: this nick uniform underneath. That's so run our test. What
Speaker 1: would that have meant to the city though, to get
Speaker 1: around run at that time, it would have been a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean Ron, you know he, I mean he was
Speaker 1: such a He's a great player and it built around man.
Speaker 1: He had that goon aspect and he loved New York
Speaker 1: and wanted to come by the scared players in the
Speaker 1: league more Toronto. Why because they knew he had a
Speaker 1: snap but two before the incident. Do you think he
Speaker 1: was nuts before the incident when they when they knew,
Speaker 1: when they knew he was crazy? But too he was
Speaker 1: one of the best players on the court on both
Speaker 1: strongest Feet's not giving you ship and you cannot stop
Speaker 1: him from posting you up. I'm sorry for for a
Speaker 1: wing player, yeah, obviously six six, six seven to seventy
Speaker 1: great hands, great feet, great feet, What do you mean
Speaker 1: just as full work, lateral movement. Yeah yeah. And even
Speaker 1: if you get bind with he still knows how to
Speaker 1: get the ball from you. Even if you get fundamentally
Speaker 1: sound and guard every position on the court, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get ten points a game from the guy garden and
Speaker 1: being scared of him, scared of him, terrified. I hope
Speaker 1: you don't fall him too hard, hope, I hope you
Speaker 1: don't do something still, Yes, fuck Jesus Christ. And then
Speaker 1: and his team is on the sideline hoping that he
Speaker 1: don't get us a ten text and they're scared for
Speaker 1: the Yeah, we're scared for us, or going the stands,
Speaker 1: go on the stands one another. I remember when I
Speaker 1: was at the Big Three, uh, doing the game and
Speaker 1: and somehow this didn't get you do you? And the
Speaker 1: Oak exchange went viral. Somehow this one didn't go But
Speaker 1: I remember going, oh, no, Oak told Ron to come
Speaker 1: out the game, and Ron said, Ron said no, and
Speaker 1: was like, you can't, that's coming out the game, and
Speaker 1: and and he walked on the court, remember he and
Speaker 1: I was right the Oaks right there, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is this is not gonna be good. And I mean,
Speaker 1: who's gonna what's gonna happen? Here? Are you gonna stop him?
Speaker 1: I'm not doing you want little fucking frame. You know
Speaker 1: these are NBA dude, like that ship. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want this to happen. But they did so
Speaker 1: competitive and motherfucker's are big and you puture you tried,
Speaker 1: They don't know who's behind you. I was at a
Speaker 1: different place then he was. He was a kind of
Speaker 1: different run. But you saw it for a second, click
Speaker 1: for a second and on the way of the court,
Speaker 1: like you thought that wrong, gonna come back, like you
Speaker 1: thought it was for the class. But now Ron came
Speaker 1: back and was like, you're not disrespect to me, not
Speaker 1: at all. Got in his face at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then then but but I was like, oh ship,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, Ron was a motherfucker. I remember.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a story. I think it was at
Speaker 1: two thousand and four. I was at the All Star
Speaker 1: Game when he made All Star in Indianapolis or with
Speaker 1: the Pacers. I was doing some ship for the NBA, uh,
Speaker 1: interviewing players and motherfucker's all ever. Motherfucker's coming in small
Speaker 1: like weed, smelling like drinks all the ship. Ron was
Speaker 1: there working out what's the coach's name, Rick Carlisle for
Speaker 1: an hour and a half before All Star weekend, doing
Speaker 1: his ship, doing his ship, and I was like this
Speaker 1: motherfucker loves basket. He used to get on the treadmill
Speaker 1: after games for thirty forty minutes and a boy the
Speaker 1: four or five five speed after games, every game gonna
Speaker 1: get on the tradmi regardless he played forty minutes, He's
Speaker 1: still gonna get on the treadman just just either. I
Speaker 1: never saw him left Waite. It was always band work
Speaker 1: and stretching and all that. I couldn't imagine. He's just
Speaker 1: saw some ship. He just loved playing basketball and the
Speaker 1: passion for playing basketball. Some people would never understand. We
Speaker 1: have that. That's why we get him. You know, when
Speaker 1: I was on this team, I guy all the other stuff.
Speaker 1: I laughed at it, and I wouldn't have said some
Speaker 1: of the things that did something. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: on that court, you want that motherfucker on your team.
Speaker 1: You don't want to be scared of the guy guarding
Speaker 1: you and and he's busting your ass and you can't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say not until fundamentally sound. Let's
Speaker 1: go back a little bit on your journey and how
Speaker 1: everything came about. What was the vibe of New York
Speaker 1: in the seventies and eighties. You know, I grew up
Speaker 1: on the East Side of Manhattan. You know, my father
Speaker 1: worked at a radio station in New York City. He
Speaker 1: was the manager of a radio station UM called w
Speaker 1: K to You Disco in nine seven, and I was
Speaker 1: I loved basketball at this point, like disco disco. Nino
Speaker 1: was the first station in New York City to play
Speaker 1: disco and then afterwards because it was disco before and
Speaker 1: then hip hop. So my father in nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 1: he would bring home music our whole life. Seventy nine
Speaker 1: he brought home. Uh, and we still have an orange
Speaker 1: promotional copy of Sugar Hole Gangs Rappers. The likes he said,
Speaker 1: this is called rap music. This is gonna be a
Speaker 1: big thing. Yeah, this is like you know, it was
Speaker 1: like call something. You know. It was like, you know,
Speaker 1: me and my brother would just fucking wore that record out.
Speaker 1: But for me seventy nine, Uh, you know, I was
Speaker 1: nine years old fell in love with basketball. Uh. Like
Speaker 1: you know when I when Larry Bird and Magic played
Speaker 1: in the n c A title game, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in the NBA. That's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: I'm playing in the NBA. And I loved Larry. I
Speaker 1: learned how to shoot over my head quick from watching Larry.
Speaker 1: But as soon as he got drafted by the Celtics.
Speaker 1: I was like, this moment, I hated that motherfucker. But
Speaker 1: you know, playing bowl in the neighborhood that I grew
Speaker 1: up in, it got old quick. So I was like eleven,
Speaker 1: told people like, you gotta go play somewhere else. You
Speaker 1: gotta get better, you want to be better, you want
Speaker 1: to be better, you gotta go somewhere else. So I
Speaker 1: would go to these other teams in these other neighborhoods, Harlem, Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: Brownsville section of Brooklyn where Mike Tyson is from, and
Speaker 1: you know, you'd make friends. And that was just my
Speaker 1: fucking journey from eight one til you know, my my
Speaker 1: my hoop dreams became nightmares. I was just playing ball,
Speaker 1: listening to hip hop, chasing Chicks, and it was just
Speaker 1: white dude in you know, all black neighborhood. But hanging out,
Speaker 1: sleeping over just but when you're so young, you're not
Speaker 1: doesn't even crush your mind. But you know, like that
Speaker 1: experience when I look back on it, like being in
Speaker 1: Brooklyn and hearing gun shots and like we're like, what
Speaker 1: the funk and my friends laughing at me because they're
Speaker 1: so immune to it. When you think about like twelve
Speaker 1: years old, thirteen years old, and and and they're laughing
Speaker 1: at me, and they're not batting an eye from gun
Speaker 1: shots in New York City. How fucking crazy that is.
Speaker 1: But for them it was normal. But you know, when
Speaker 1: I would go like in Brownsville, I remember in eighty three,
Speaker 1: I went to play ball in the park and I
Speaker 1: would hear like, yo, Pearl Washington would be out there,
Speaker 1: World be Free, would be out there. And I remember
Speaker 1: going to the park the first time I went to
Speaker 1: this park in Howard Houses, right after fresh out of
Speaker 1: the playoffs with a bullshit rubber ball no NBA Bowl.
Speaker 1: World was out there playing in the park, playing a
Speaker 1: pickup game, and I'm like, you know, and it's a
Speaker 1: fucked up court. I mean, like one hoop is nine
Speaker 1: and a half feet, the other hoop is ten and
Speaker 1: a half. You know, But like being out there watching World,
Speaker 1: James Major's, Pearl, Jerry Ice Reynolds, you know, they wouldn't
Speaker 1: we would watch them play. But basketball and hip hop
Speaker 1: and just being in the hood was just that's just
Speaker 1: what it was. I didn't want ship to do with
Speaker 1: these I didn't want ship to do with my what
Speaker 1: with with bar Mitzvah's with any of that ship. Like,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to play ball. I was gonna be
Speaker 1: in the NBA, and I just was outside. I mean
Speaker 1: we were just outside and outside playing playball all day.
Speaker 1: And you can hoop a little bit too. People don't
Speaker 1: know you went to five star basketball. To five star
Speaker 1: I was I was good, you know, But the separation
Speaker 1: from when you're fifteen were you know, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,
Speaker 1: I was good, but we're like fifteen and motherfucker started
Speaker 1: growing more athletic and you start seeing people at a
Speaker 1: six seven. You're like, how old you? You're like your
Speaker 1: fifteen and I'm like, I'm fifteen two. How the fun
Speaker 1: you six seven? Like what the fund is going? You know?
Speaker 1: Like crazy ship? But but yeah, I went there, and
Speaker 1: you know, and I remember um when I went to
Speaker 1: five star. Rex Chapman was my coach, which was bugged
Speaker 1: the funk out, and I was talking ship to Rex
Speaker 1: because I was like, yeah, this is about dunking and ship.
Speaker 1: And I remember also any big other big name, Christian Lightner,
Speaker 1: Billy Owens. Billy Owens was the one who he was fifteen.
Speaker 1: I was fifteen. Billy was six six fastest fund and
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck? Malik Silly was there?
Speaker 1: Kenny was there. Kenny Anderson, who I grew up with,
Speaker 1: who you know, I knew he's so underwriting. Man. People
Speaker 1: don't understand how good Kenny Anderson was. Man. You know
Speaker 1: I played that motherfucker one on one. He was eleven.
Speaker 1: I was twelve. I swear to god, he I wish
Speaker 1: to his video. He was NBA ready, like he was
Speaker 1: dribbling the fucking ball, like doing all this crazy ship
Speaker 1: at eleven and then you saw him like a thirteen fifteen.
Speaker 1: The whole country knew about him, but that fucking left
Speaker 1: handed jump shot. But I remember being at five star.
Speaker 1: Yeah you noticed stroke. He knows this stroke. It's Chris Mullen,
Speaker 1: Kenny Anderson and Mike Rap. But I remember sitting next
Speaker 1: to Sean Kimp at some lecture. Sean has a fucking goatee.
Speaker 1: He's he's a year older than I mean. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the Shawan camp be fucking shoulders and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be in the NBA. Like I'm just not.
Speaker 1: It's not happening. This guy six ft eleven, he got
Speaker 1: a full God, he probably was twenty seven at that point,
Speaker 1: and ship like that. But like then I started thinking, like,
Speaker 1: this is not happening. This is not happening. Um, And
Speaker 1: then I started thinking about acting and you know, doing
Speaker 1: other ship. But the basketball and the experience of of
Speaker 1: of of playing ball and being in the hood and
Speaker 1: being amongst people and and being you know, the highs
Speaker 1: and lows and the winning. And it wasn't even so
Speaker 1: much the games. It was getting to the games, getting
Speaker 1: on the train, coming back from the games, all that ship,
Speaker 1: you know like that. And then when I started acting,
Speaker 1: that mentality is what I took into auditioning because it
Speaker 1: was to me, it was like a fight. It still
Speaker 1: is a fight when you have to audition for you know, like,
Speaker 1: funk this ship. Like it was like, yo, funck this dude,
Speaker 1: fun this dude, Like I'm going to you know, that
Speaker 1: was my mentality. But that that New York ship was
Speaker 1: just dope and and and being around you know, the
Speaker 1: ship that I was around, and you know, the good,
Speaker 1: the bad, and the ugly of it was just so
Speaker 1: informative when I look back and it's who I am.
Speaker 1: It's who I am, you know, and and you know,
Speaker 1: like so much of the ship that you know it's
Speaker 1: going on this year, and I'm sure it's been going on.
Speaker 1: You know, when people talking about you know, you know,
Speaker 1: like this this white privilege and black I'm like you
Speaker 1: just like when when people sometimes when white people or
Speaker 1: non black people talk about black people, they talk about
Speaker 1: it like it's a different like it's like it's like
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm like, yo, just if you don't
Speaker 1: grow if you didn't grow up around different kinds of people,
Speaker 1: that's that's on you. But don't talk to motherfucker's like
Speaker 1: they're like you're doing some sort of charity you haven't lived,
Speaker 1: but but don't like it's not like an assignment, like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna meet some people
Speaker 1: of color, Like what the fund are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like you're not going up to people and
Speaker 1: just how how you doing? I want to I need
Speaker 1: some black friends in my life. That's so crazy. It
Speaker 1: doesn't work like that, and it's it's not everybody's experiences
Speaker 1: my experience, and it doesn't make me more righteous or
Speaker 1: not righteous. But when you talk about the experience of
Speaker 1: New York in the seventies and particularly the eighties, that
Speaker 1: was a blessing that I had was to be around
Speaker 1: that ship. And like I said, the good, the bad
Speaker 1: and ugly, the foul ship, the violence, and and just
Speaker 1: the the general ship talk because we talk about the
Speaker 1: ship talking and then snapping. The thick skin comes from
Speaker 1: because after playing ball, Like I wasn't the best playing ball,
Speaker 1: but I was the best of talking ship. Get your
Speaker 1: earlier on fighting. Yeah, I never got my ass for
Speaker 1: talking ship. I wasn't much. You know when I when
Speaker 1: I started going in the hood, I was, I was,
Speaker 1: I I was I yeah first, you know, talk talk later.
Speaker 1: I mean like I like I knew that, but but
Speaker 1: as far as you know, talking ship, you know, people
Speaker 1: get offended by like the ship talking in the snap.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, when you when you're in the hood,
Speaker 1: there's either like you're either nice with your hands and
Speaker 1: no one's funk with him. You're either good at ball,
Speaker 1: you could rhyme, you're a straight dude, you're like like
Speaker 1: meaning like you're like a nerd, or you're a criminal.
Speaker 1: I was the ship talker because I wasn't the best fighter.
Speaker 1: I wasn't the best ballplayer, but like I was the
Speaker 1: funny dude, so I wouldn't you know. That was my
Speaker 1: stuper from people keep people at Bay, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: so that was that was my ship. What about you
Speaker 1: know you got a chance being in the Mecca in
Speaker 1: the eighties, uh, you know, from Bernard King to Patrick
Speaker 1: Ewing to Magic and Larry Jordan's who are some of
Speaker 1: your most memorable games? You got a chance to see
Speaker 1: in person at a young age, Doc in the Garden
Speaker 1: in eight one, my father got me tickets for the
Speaker 1: for my birthday. Uh And and this is when no
Speaker 1: one gave a ship about the garden. This is basketball
Speaker 1: so different. You could sneak down. Especially I was a kid,
Speaker 1: and I remember watching Doc with with the with the
Speaker 1: knee braces and he had the extra high converse they
Speaker 1: were like custom made and and and I saw the
Speaker 1: Doctor j like in scripture on his ship which I
Speaker 1: was bugging and watching Doc warm up on the on
Speaker 1: the layup line. I was that was I'll never forget
Speaker 1: that ship. And you know, I remember he had the
Speaker 1: old fucking geriatric kneepads and it was Doc, you know,
Speaker 1: like Doc was and everything to me like he was.
Speaker 1: There was no Bruce Lee, there was no batman like
Speaker 1: Dr Jay. Seeing him in person like I was like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, and seeing him. I remember I saw Mike
Speaker 1: at the Garden his rookie year and we snuck down.
Speaker 1: Also we somehow got on the press thing. You know,
Speaker 1: we were kids like for like like the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: and watching George. George Gurby was honest in George's but
Speaker 1: George was like, oh, oh shit, like wal Mike was
Speaker 1: playing and I was so close I could hear and
Speaker 1: go oh, like, you know, George's talking ship and and
Speaker 1: seeing that, and then of course the nineties next games.
Speaker 1: I was never at any of those great games for
Speaker 1: some reason. I would always miss them. But those experiences
Speaker 1: as a kid, like Doc and seeing Mike and one
Speaker 1: time and one time I saw a pisto. This was weird.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how this happened. But I saw
Speaker 1: Isaiah because Isaiah was my fucking dude. Also Isaiah Magic,
Speaker 1: uh when those those are my guys. But I saw
Speaker 1: Isaiah in a preseason game playing the Milwaukee Bucks. For
Speaker 1: some reason, this preseason game and I ran into There
Speaker 1: was a place around the corner called the Fund is
Speaker 1: the name of it. Our It was a steak place.
Speaker 1: It'll come to me, but I I went in there
Speaker 1: to take a piss or something like that. And we're twelve, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we're in the streets, fucking twelve, thirteen years
Speaker 1: old at the garden, like my father. It's not like now,
Speaker 1: we bring your kids and we would take a bus
Speaker 1: down here and train down here walk. I don't know
Speaker 1: how the funk we got to the garden. I have
Speaker 1: no fucking clue, but I remember I bumped into Isaiah
Speaker 1: Thomas in his prime when he had the funked up
Speaker 1: from and he had some hardass shoes on. They were
Speaker 1: like white, you know, some Chicago Detroit ship. But I
Speaker 1: remember just you know, like oh, you know, like oh ship,
Speaker 1: you know, like and I met Isaiah. Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: his poster on my fucking wall. That poster was making
Speaker 1: the lamp and ship like that. But I just loved
Speaker 1: it so much, man, I loved I loved it so
Speaker 1: fucking much. And it was just you know, it never
Speaker 1: you know, throughout like getting kicked out of school. I
Speaker 1: was a fucked up student. But like have you even
Speaker 1: I didn't come close to making it to the NBA,
Speaker 1: Like having that goal was something that was good, you know,
Speaker 1: like at least I thought I was gonna do something
Speaker 1: so realizing that that wasn't gonna happen. Um, when did
Speaker 1: you transition? When did you catch the acting bug? When
Speaker 1: I was like seventeen eighteen and like I was not
Speaker 1: doing good in school and kicked out of school public
Speaker 1: school just for being like like I wasn't a tough guy.
Speaker 1: There was no fires being started. I was just imagine me,
Speaker 1: you couldn't tell me shit, you know, like the whole
Speaker 1: I was the only one. I was all literally the
Speaker 1: only white kid in my school in Razamshull High School
Speaker 1: that I went to Martin Luther King High School. Like
Speaker 1: it was like, like you couldn't tell me shit. I
Speaker 1: was like, fuck this, fuck everybody, you know. I didn't
Speaker 1: raise my hand to goes I would in. The schools
Speaker 1: were terrible a Razmas Hall High School, the school I
Speaker 1: went to in Brooklyn was a fucking like the public
Speaker 1: school system in New York is a fun It's way
Speaker 1: better now, but it was a fucking joke. I remember
Speaker 1: being in an English class and there were a lot
Speaker 1: of Haitians, Jamaicans, um and and and uh you know,
Speaker 1: Spanish kids in the class that couldn't speak no English.
Speaker 1: But I remember looking around counting It was like forty
Speaker 1: something kids in the class, which is fucking crazy, and
Speaker 1: twenty two of them didn't speak any English. And I
Speaker 1: was like, what the fund is? Like, what the funk?
Speaker 1: You know? It doesn't pick my ship up? And walked
Speaker 1: out because I was like, what the fund is going?
Speaker 1: I don't want to be here anyway, Like what kind
Speaker 1: of English this teachers? Terrified people are getting their face
Speaker 1: sliced by razors and ship like that, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: And I was always looked after like people that oh
Speaker 1: you was. I was looked after like I was white, Mike,
Speaker 1: you know you like nobody that fun with me. I
Speaker 1: could play ball, I could talk ship. I wasn't a threat,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I knew what the funk with it, who not to
Speaker 1: funk with? But you know, like I wasn't a sucker.
Speaker 1: I asked the motherfucker anyway. But when I was seventeen,
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen, like I started thinking like I want to
Speaker 1: I wanna um, you know, like I want to like
Speaker 1: because I loved I loved Dadi m Raphy, I loved comedy,
Speaker 1: I loved acting, But I never thought I wanted to
Speaker 1: be the characters in the movies, like I wanted to
Speaker 1: be Rocky, I wanted to be John Travolta and Saturday Night.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do what they did. I wanted
Speaker 1: to actually be that person. And I loved Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 1: Like I would walk around with a red leather jacket.
Speaker 1: I was nuts to leave my house with a white
Speaker 1: leather jacket and no shirt on. He like he was
Speaker 1: just like, get the funk out, like I was bugging,
Speaker 1: you know, like I would never let myself walk around
Speaker 1: with a fucking leather jacket no shirt and leave the
Speaker 1: house and go on the bus in the train. But
Speaker 1: then I started thinking, you know, like about doing it.
Speaker 1: And I had a like an eye opening incident. When
Speaker 1: um in eighty nine, I was nineteen, I was not
Speaker 1: doing ship. I had to stay at extra six months
Speaker 1: in school to graduate. I was with my friends. I
Speaker 1: had went to this school and uh a long island
Speaker 1: called Old Westbury, sooner Old Westbury. I was with my friends.
Speaker 1: One of them who's passed h one of them who
Speaker 1: just got out of jail for thirty fucking years, and
Speaker 1: one of them was stolen jail. They were my man,
Speaker 1: boob bet, they were they were. They were rough. They
Speaker 1: were rough, and they came up to my college and
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, don't don't do ship, don't start
Speaker 1: no ship, don't funk with nobody, no, you know, because
Speaker 1: they were like quick, quick, quick trip, quick trip, don't
Speaker 1: have no nothing. Please please just funk with the girls
Speaker 1: and let's get the funk out of here. They came
Speaker 1: up to the school and I don't even know how
Speaker 1: it started, but it was literally over some what are
Speaker 1: you looking at? Ship? And the next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: like I just they were like, yeah, we're going outside,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh funk, I should go outside
Speaker 1: of outside, and my man boob Bear had just gotten shot.
Speaker 1: He had staples in his body. Going outside. So we
Speaker 1: go outside and three other dudes they wanted to fight them,
Speaker 1: so outside. So we get outside and somehow they got
Speaker 1: outside first and these motherfuckers started throwing rocks. It was
Speaker 1: at a parking lot. They started throwing rocks, and me
Speaker 1: and this one dude, I don't have any like like
Speaker 1: I'm not like a good enough fighter to just fight
Speaker 1: this guy to be some sort of like you're trying
Speaker 1: to hurt me, trying to funk with my bitch, something
Speaker 1: like that like, we're just I'm just fighting. I'm tied
Speaker 1: up with this fucking dude, and these dudes are throwing rocks.
Speaker 1: My man's got staples in his legs. One of them's
Speaker 1: got a bottle. I'm like, what I haven't. I'm a
Speaker 1: white Jewish kid from the Operatide, like the white privilege
Speaker 1: came out of me. I'm like, what the fuck is
Speaker 1: going on? So then this dudeter tied up. I see
Speaker 1: a guy coming this way running and throw Rocky hits
Speaker 1: me with a rock boom in my face. So I
Speaker 1: had this scar here, you see it. So I could
Speaker 1: feel blood running down my face. I'm like, oh, Ship,
Speaker 1: So I get this dude who I'm tied up with
Speaker 1: as my face is, but I throw him on top
Speaker 1: of a car. I'm hitting him, hitting him, and somehow
Speaker 1: another my arms got, my weight was on top of him.
Speaker 1: His head is next to my head. This motherfucker bit
Speaker 1: my fucking ear. He bit my fucking ear. Fight that
Speaker 1: was some while, and I said to him, you're biting
Speaker 1: my fucking ear, Like, Yo, that's some sucker, Ship, You're
Speaker 1: biting ears, Like what the fund is you're doing? You're
Speaker 1: biting my fucking ear, and I got up off him
Speaker 1: and like, I could feel blood coming in your blood
Speaker 1: coming here. I couldn't feel my ear. But at this
Speaker 1: point I was like, I'm gonna be a stand up comedian.
Speaker 1: But then I thought to myself, how could you be?
Speaker 1: I literally thought to myself, how could you be a
Speaker 1: stand up comedian with one fucking ear? So we get
Speaker 1: in the car. They're like, yo, these dudes are rough dudes.
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, yo, my ear, my ear, My man
Speaker 1: had just gotten shot. They're laughing there, fucking asses off.
Speaker 1: I go to the hospital. They dropped me off. We're
Speaker 1: in the rent a car. They wanted whatever the funk,
Speaker 1: And I've been in the hospital for twenty I called
Speaker 1: my father next morning. I tell him what happened, and
Speaker 1: he because I had gotten in a few little instants,
Speaker 1: he said to me, I'm afraid the next time you
Speaker 1: call me, they're gonna tell me there's a bullet in you.
Speaker 1: And I was like I'm done. Like I was like,
Speaker 1: I have to I'm done it. I'm done. Like I'm finished.
Speaker 1: I'm walking around fucking like half a year scar think.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, I'm gonna go to l
Speaker 1: A and make you know, be a stand ud, be
Speaker 1: a stand up comedian and become an actor. And I
Speaker 1: started doing that and then you know, I just you know,
Speaker 1: I was doing my ship and you know it was lucky, lucky.
Speaker 1: I had a lot of attitude, uh and just luck
Speaker 1: confidence because it come out here and on the on
Speaker 1: the dream and a wish and makes you happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you had you had to be focused and confident is
Speaker 1: confident confident And then when I started doing stand up,
Speaker 1: they would call me and for auditions. And then when
Speaker 1: I found when I when I auditioned, the first time
Speaker 1: I ever auditioned, it was like to play a white
Speaker 1: kid in New York who grew up around you know,
Speaker 1: playing ball, grew up around black kids. And I remember
Speaker 1: looking at the sides and probably the way sports comes
Speaker 1: to you guys, where you're totally relaxed. I was like
Speaker 1: a fishing through a fish in the water. Like I
Speaker 1: was like, there was no inks, there was no nerves,
Speaker 1: there was no am I gonna make the shot? Like
Speaker 1: it was like this. It just like was like when
Speaker 1: you like it just made sense and that was like
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing. I'm act, I'm gonna act.
Speaker 1: And then I just got lucky. You know, it was
Speaker 1: just lucky timing and and and the right parts and tenacity,
Speaker 1: the tenacity to do it. I mean you came to
Speaker 1: l A, you know, looking to me, and that's what
Speaker 1: everyone comes to l A for it, you know, and
Speaker 1: for you to do it. What were some of the
Speaker 1: ups and downs, and and and and roadblocks you hit
Speaker 1: early on your Carency you really felt like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: made it. I mean I still don't feel like I
Speaker 1: made it, to be honest with you. You know, as
Speaker 1: as far as like being an actor, specifically an actor,
Speaker 1: because now there's different forms and you know, I'm back
Speaker 1: doing comedy and I'm podcasting, but like as far as
Speaker 1: being an actor, you know, there's a few elite elite
Speaker 1: the Brad Pitt, the Denzel, the Leonardo Dicaprios, where it's
Speaker 1: like they pick and choose what they want when they
Speaker 1: want to do what they have a schedule plan out
Speaker 1: for the next few years. For me, like, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm always gonna work as an actor, but you always
Speaker 1: feel like I'm getting ready to start shooting this show,
Speaker 1: uh in January. After the show as of right now
Speaker 1: probably will be finished in March. It usually works out
Speaker 1: by by the march, I'll have a next my next
Speaker 1: job as an actor. But I'm not and that's not
Speaker 1: a good feeling, you know. And I know she will
Speaker 1: come because you know, like I believe in my ship.
Speaker 1: But but but like as an actor, the majority of
Speaker 1: us are that, like, you don't know when your next
Speaker 1: job is gonna come realistically, you do know. When I
Speaker 1: was younger, I would be like, yea, what the funk
Speaker 1: am I gonna Do'm gonna go broke? Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: what the funk? You know, And now because there's other ship,
Speaker 1: you get more comfortable. But the life of an actor,
Speaker 1: like you know, it's vulnerable because as many you know,
Speaker 1: chances that you get there's like once a week at
Speaker 1: this point during COVID there ship you might want, they're like, yeo,
Speaker 1: they win another way, Like all right, I don't take
Speaker 1: it personal. When I was younger, you take a person,
Speaker 1: it's like getting rejected by a chick, you know. But
Speaker 1: now you just keep you keep it moving and the
Speaker 1: business of it. It's like, you know, most of the
Speaker 1: time it has nothing to do with you, you know,
Speaker 1: with with with getting parts and not getting Part two,
Speaker 1: part question right here, your most memorable or favorite TV role.
Speaker 1: The most memorable TV role, I mean, shit, who fun knows.
Speaker 1: I mean there's been so many. It's like, if you know,
Speaker 1: for you guys, you might have played on a bullshit
Speaker 1: team and a whack team that sucked, you might have
Speaker 1: had fun doing it. So I've done some ship where
Speaker 1: I've had fun, you know, and it's a the end
Speaker 1: product is whack, but like we had a good time
Speaker 1: when we're doing the ship. But I would say, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was dope. The paper Soldiers are dope because of
Speaker 1: Dame Dash. I knew my whole life grew up playing
Speaker 1: sports with Dame. Dame wasn't ship. I'll tell him that
Speaker 1: to his face. And you know, I literally knowing each
Speaker 1: other since we're like always talk a lot of ship.
Speaker 1: He asked me to do that, and I was like cool.
Speaker 1: And the funny thing about paper Soldiers, this little motherfucker
Speaker 1: with his hat come backwards comes up to me talking.
Speaker 1: You know, man, my name is Kevin Hard is the
Speaker 1: first thing I do is if my first day working
Speaker 1: on the film said I was like, all right, cool, cool,
Speaker 1: good luck, And that was one of my movies that
Speaker 1: was fun doing that. Um, but you know it was
Speaker 1: dope doing that because of the Dame and the rock
Speaker 1: a Fella and the whole you know, and like it
Speaker 1: was so much excitement. Never would have known, but he
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, it's my first day working on the
Speaker 1: movie and ship. He has fucking half backwards and I
Speaker 1: was like, cool man, you know, just chill out. But
Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to say, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: like what it could be whatever. I mean, this show
Speaker 1: that I'm doing now is fun. Friends was fun, prison
Speaker 1: Break was fun, you know, and and and that show
Speaker 1: I hated doing that. People love that motherfucking show. I
Speaker 1: watched a couple of times. But but you know, it's
Speaker 1: the same thing, like you know, people, what people like,
Speaker 1: and the time you had might not have been dope.
Speaker 1: I might have had a fucking ball and paper soldiers.
Speaker 1: Some people like, you know, I didn't see that ship.
Speaker 1: You know. Some people stopped me about Friends, like it's
Speaker 1: like our Brady Bunch. Motherfucker's ten years old. You're a
Speaker 1: guy from Friends that they watched that ship like um,
Speaker 1: and then movies it's it's you know, Copland was dope
Speaker 1: because to work with stallone and and too you know,
Speaker 1: like when I had you guys both in my podcast
Speaker 1: and I was like, Yo, the first time you guarded Kobe,
Speaker 1: you know you're like, I mean, you guys were contemporaries
Speaker 1: with where when you when you're actually out there with
Speaker 1: Mike or somebody that's not your boy. When I'm acting
Speaker 1: with Denier. That's why I'm so fascinated with that, Like
Speaker 1: because it's athletes when you're like you gotta physically go
Speaker 1: after somebody that you adore, that inspired you to get
Speaker 1: where you get at. It's different with acting because you're
Speaker 1: not competing. But like when I'm out there on the
Speaker 1: set and I remember the first day of that movie
Speaker 1: Complain and de Niro's right there and Stallone is right
Speaker 1: there like you know, like you're like, I'm I'm professional,
Speaker 1: but inside I'm like, yo, this is this is fucking
Speaker 1: bugged up. Like we're shooting in Manhattan, where I'm from,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is fucking crazy. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at de Niro, he got the mole on his
Speaker 1: face and Stallone's mouth is drooping. I'm like, Yo, this
Speaker 1: is you have to really be focused when you do
Speaker 1: it because she's like, you know, I'm going back in
Speaker 1: the Trump called my Dad. I'm like, yo, I'm out
Speaker 1: here with these fucking guys, like I just did this
Speaker 1: scene with Robert de Niro. UM. So that was dope.
Speaker 1: Higher Learning was dope. One of my favorite movies. Crazy Cast,
Speaker 1: So much fun, Crazy Cast, so much Funah, Regina King,
Speaker 1: Omar Apps, Um, John Singleton the make Grains because it
Speaker 1: was like going to work with John Singleton. He was
Speaker 1: John Singleton was was so encouraging of of of everybody
Speaker 1: on the set, like he made you feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: you were the most important part of the puzzle. And
Speaker 1: when we were doing Higher Learning, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: the first day that I shot was the day that
Speaker 1: I pulled a gun on Omar Apps. Oh no, I
Speaker 1: breaked the I had. It was some skinhead ship and
Speaker 1: I'm a fucking skinner and I know I'm like, these
Speaker 1: motherfucker's are probably looking at me like this fucking guy
Speaker 1: to hang out smoke with these dudes, busting runs and
Speaker 1: all them like you know, they're doing their little actors ship.
Speaker 1: They don't know me, I don't know them, Like all right,
Speaker 1: fuck them. You know. It's a predominantly black set, which
Speaker 1: John was really big on that first He got that
Speaker 1: from Spike because majority sets, especially at that time, it's white.
Speaker 1: John had black people doing ship. You just weren't used
Speaker 1: to seeing black people doing on the set. And we
Speaker 1: we did it take and I'm like, fuck you and
Speaker 1: we're this fuck you and we're dead and you know
Speaker 1: doing it. I'm riffing that's not in the script of
Speaker 1: people like what the feast is not in the script
Speaker 1: and just saying wild ship because I'm and and and
Speaker 1: he goes cut and it's like you can't hear a word,
Speaker 1: and then John's like, hell, yeah, fuck you, Mike. He
Speaker 1: just confidence. He made me feel like, gave me my confidence,
Speaker 1: but also like do that ship. Don't worry about what
Speaker 1: the people like, you know, I don't give Yeah, like
Speaker 1: we're we're doing that. We gotta go in. But I
Speaker 1: just remember that cut and then that and he was
Speaker 1: just like that. But that was you know, we were young.
Speaker 1: You know, I had just seen Omar and Juice. You know,
Speaker 1: Tupac was supposed to play the reps character. Leonardo DiCaprio
Speaker 1: was going to play my character. I was going to
Speaker 1: play the other skinhead. Yeah, and and it was just
Speaker 1: and Cube, you know who. You know, I still bug
Speaker 1: out that I met the Big Three with c because
Speaker 1: as a kid, I'm like, that's fucking like I never
Speaker 1: there's always a part of me that a little bit
Speaker 1: I never like take it for granted, Like you know,
Speaker 1: I never try to become too familiar with people are
Speaker 1: up there ship. But like you know, when I had
Speaker 1: to audition, John make me made me audition with Cube
Speaker 1: because they didn't have the part cast the Omar Reps
Speaker 1: part because the Tupac because he had gotten arrested and
Speaker 1: they couldn't fund the movie. He said, you need to
Speaker 1: come to Sony and you need to do that ship
Speaker 1: with ice Cube and we're this, and we're then this
Speaker 1: is Cube with the fucking teeth And I don't know
Speaker 1: this because he is a nice guy, but he's like,
Speaker 1: you need to do all that ship with him. And
Speaker 1: I go down there and I'm like, fuck you funk
Speaker 1: this fund this? And then he cast me. But when
Speaker 1: we were doing that movie Bust, these dudes had like
Speaker 1: they're smoking trailers Bust the Omar Regina. They went to
Speaker 1: let me funk with it until like halfway through that
Speaker 1: they let me funk with it. But you know, like
Speaker 1: the Skinhead trailer was whack you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I was cooling. I was skin that trailer with Ship.
Speaker 1: I wanted to hang out, you know. You know Omar
Speaker 1: Reps had an early copy of Illmatic. The nas tam
Speaker 1: that ship. I'm like, what you know, outside his trailer
Speaker 1: and she's trying to get in there. And Regina king O,
Speaker 1: who I fucking loved. I've always loved her, and it
Speaker 1: was just a dope time. But when you know, when
Speaker 1: you're that young and you're it's so exciting. And John
Speaker 1: had just done Poetic Justice, he had done Boys in
Speaker 1: the Hood, and and You're just like, this is the
Speaker 1: dream and I'm playing a skinhead like I like, I
Speaker 1: like people like it was fun. I was like that
Speaker 1: ship was fucking fun because it wasn't that's the dream,
Speaker 1: you know, like you want to be an actor like that? Yes,
Speaker 1: And I'm cool hopping out of it and after but
Speaker 1: bust the rhymes and then we're like, what the fun
Speaker 1: would you like that scene? Right? I'm like, yo, yo,
Speaker 1: when you made that record, we tried, like you know,
Speaker 1: they were like, what the fund is up with this? Too?
Speaker 1: And Q was quiet to begin with, so I'm trying
Speaker 1: to start conversation right after I'm like, fuck you man,
Speaker 1: fuck you and all this show like so yeah, when
Speaker 1: you made uh that record, He's just like, I'm not
Speaker 1: He's quiet anyway. So it was it was fun doing that.
Speaker 1: That's what many prison Break with my ship, though I
Speaker 1: never got into. I saw a couple of because the
Speaker 1: girl I was messing with like prison Break, but I
Speaker 1: never got into the story was that when you were
Speaker 1: in the league because a lot of ballplayers, because that
Speaker 1: was early on in your ear late nineties, early two
Speaker 1: thousand's prison break, No, no, no, a little later, like
Speaker 1: a little later, but I remember lot of ballplayers like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I watch this ship when him on the road. What
Speaker 1: made you having success in front of the camera? Want
Speaker 1: to go behind the camera, I'm ready to whenever you
Speaker 1: get behind, I'm ready to talk about that later. I'm ready.
Speaker 1: We could do it. I know you could act the
Speaker 1: Tribe documentary. I was such a fan of them and
Speaker 1: like you know, growing up hip hop, like those dudes
Speaker 1: were so amongst everybody, you know, Big Daddy Kane, Gang Star,
Speaker 1: Eric b Rock Camp, Krs One Beasts all that ship
Speaker 1: was just such a fucking part of my fucking life
Speaker 1: like that, you know, those times and hearing the music
Speaker 1: on the radio, and there was no fucking you know,
Speaker 1: you could rewind it like you heard it when you
Speaker 1: heard it, and if you you caught, and then those
Speaker 1: memories were etched in your fucking head. And Tribe was
Speaker 1: one of my favorite groups. And when they broke up,
Speaker 1: I remember I flew to New York to watch their
Speaker 1: last show and um, I was like, somebody got to
Speaker 1: do a documentary about Trial Question. And then um, a
Speaker 1: few years later they started worring again and I said
Speaker 1: the tip because I've known him from for a long time,
Speaker 1: que two yo, I want to do a documentary about
Speaker 1: Tropical Question. He was like, do it, do it? And
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, all right, and then we're
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday, I said. He I had that conversation
Speaker 1: with him Saturday we started doing the motherfucker, and three
Speaker 1: years later we made the movie. But I just love
Speaker 1: doing it like I love doing it. I love the storytelling,
Speaker 1: I love the dynamic, even though it was dysfunctional, the
Speaker 1: between those guys, the late grade fife, you know, and
Speaker 1: and and everything that came along with it. And I'm
Speaker 1: just so even though we did we had, we got
Speaker 1: into it making the fucking movie. Me and Q Tip.
Speaker 1: We we got fucking into it. I'm glad we got
Speaker 1: it done because he passed away. And uh but but
Speaker 1: I love doing it. I love doing the when when
Speaker 1: the Garden was eating thet I love that ship like
Speaker 1: I was a fucking kid in the candy started doing
Speaker 1: that ship. You know, I got to go down to uh,
Speaker 1: you know, down south and interview Willis Reid. I'm in
Speaker 1: his crabby got on his hunting ship. I'm like, what
Speaker 1: the fund is? This is crazy? You know, Marval ba
Speaker 1: what I'm interviewing Marvel? Who is it? Nick? He's another
Speaker 1: reason why fucking Dolan is a piece of ship. Dolan
Speaker 1: is a piece of ship. How could you fire more
Speaker 1: about he was a boy, he was a ball boy
Speaker 1: for the Knicks when he was a kid at the
Speaker 1: old ship Hole Garden. And he made a constructive criticism
Speaker 1: and Dolan fired him. When I found that out, I
Speaker 1: was like, you're fucked up. It's not like he said
Speaker 1: some crazy ship like me. He just made a constructive criticism.
Speaker 1: You fire the fucking Marv Albert. That's another turning point
Speaker 1: where I was like, fuck Doland Dolan, Who I mean?
Speaker 1: You got to interview some some legendary people for that.
Speaker 1: The most bugged out one Jerry West. Because Jerry West. Yo.
Speaker 1: But let me tell you something, I swear to God,
Speaker 1: like I went to go get him from the practice facility.
Speaker 1: We were like connected to the hotel and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: Jerry West, okay, cool. And as we're walking on and
Speaker 1: this is when Kobe just had the Achilles injury and
Speaker 1: I was like, you think Kobe's gonna be all right?
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm not talking about Kobe. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm just we're not We're not even in the cameras.
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, he goes, I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about Kobe Bryant, not talking about Kobe, just here to
Speaker 1: talk about the Knicks and Lakers. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be fun. So when I started talking
Speaker 1: to Jerry West about the losing to the Knicks, this
Speaker 1: fucking guy started tearing up. This is forty years later,
Speaker 1: like he got like it was like he had post
Speaker 1: traumatic stress disorder or something like. When he started talking
Speaker 1: about them losing to at the Garden and the you know,
Speaker 1: I brought it to earlier when they lost to them,
Speaker 1: when they lost to the Celtics, and they had the
Speaker 1: fucking balloons up there. My man was like having flashbacks
Speaker 1: on me and ship like that to the point it's
Speaker 1: like are we done? You know, I'm like this Jerry
Speaker 1: West and he's like, are we done? I'm like, yeah, yeah, yea,
Speaker 1: where we're done? He just that ship bugged me out.
Speaker 1: Jerry West told me some ship. And I know you
Speaker 1: guys know him differently, but but he told me some ship.
Speaker 1: I was man before the pandemic hit. I had these
Speaker 1: this ship that I took up to the Clippers facility
Speaker 1: and stay for a little bit and we started talking
Speaker 1: to Jerry West and the ship he told me. I
Speaker 1: don't even know how we got on and bro, but
Speaker 1: the ship he told me about the early eighties teams
Speaker 1: he was coaching with the Lakers and the ship that
Speaker 1: went down. I was my fucking jaw dropped and I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe he was just telling me like it was
Speaker 1: nothing like nothing like we can't even talk about it
Speaker 1: on here. It was so you can't talk about right.
Speaker 1: It was so ill. I'm like, what it's like, this
Speaker 1: is all this has happening while you're the coach and
Speaker 1: these are your this is I'll tell you what, the
Speaker 1: brother ship blew me away because I wanted him to
Speaker 1: come on the podcast, but how freely he told me
Speaker 1: this show, Like, no, I don't want him to kind
Speaker 1: of spill some ship that might some people people if
Speaker 1: you're a certain age of like Mike should be the logo,
Speaker 1: and of course Mike's but was the motherfucker motherfucker was coming.
Speaker 1: We went back, I think the words that brought us
Speaker 1: back for something. And I was walking through the hallway
Speaker 1: after the game and I didn't even see him, but
Speaker 1: I see a crowd, so I'm just kind of move
Speaker 1: to the right, and he grabbed me. Hey, motherfucker. I
Speaker 1: loved you as a player. My first time to meet
Speaker 1: Jerry West, he pulls me, hey, motherfucker, and so you know,
Speaker 1: so you know what that meant to me. I'm like, oh, ships, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that that's my only
Speaker 1: experience to me. And he's big, he's big, big, and
Speaker 1: I never saw him play live, but like he got
Speaker 1: the swag of a ballplayer. He died. I don't think
Speaker 1: he like how you walking talking? Yeah, he's I mean,
Speaker 1: fucking Jerry West. You know you look at he was
Speaker 1: busting motherfucker's asses and ship like that. That that was
Speaker 1: cool doing that. And then you know, when I was
Speaker 1: doing the Try movie all the hip hop dudes, it's
Speaker 1: just like what I'm interviewing you guys for the ship,
Speaker 1: Like I'm like salivating, you know, and I'm they're like
Speaker 1: walking me through. So that's how we all we have
Speaker 1: a guys like you were learning about our guests as well.
Speaker 1: We learned, were learned stuff that we've never known, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So and we also a fan
Speaker 1: of you, right, so you know what I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: love that ship, like I fucking love that ship. And
Speaker 1: and you know, like I just so when when you're
Speaker 1: doing docs, I mean, it's similar to a podcast in
Speaker 1: a way. Obviously it's a little bit more there's more ship.
Speaker 1: But like when you're getting those gems and you know,
Speaker 1: when you guys are interviewing so and so and you're
Speaker 1: getting those little this is gonna be. That's gonna be
Speaker 1: on Instagram. This is gonna be when when we hear
Speaker 1: say that was gold. We know the nineties and two
Speaker 1: thousand's style of play and energy around the NBA compared
Speaker 1: to now. Listen, things gotta change. Things gotta grow. Things evolved,
Speaker 1: you know, but I think the defenders are at such
Speaker 1: the mercy of the people with the ball. And the
Speaker 1: reason why you're seeing motherfucker's defending guys falling down on
Speaker 1: a regular basis is because they literally have nothing to
Speaker 1: hold on to. It's like ice skating. You didn't see
Speaker 1: Tim harrowing. I mean a K Sally you'd see this,
Speaker 1: but these dudes were stupid with it. But you could
Speaker 1: hang on to something, you know, the no contact the
Speaker 1: lack of contact um and and I love the steph
Speaker 1: and I love the threes, but but there's I don't
Speaker 1: know what the answers. There's gotta be a middle ground
Speaker 1: offensive game. Now. It's just fucking sometimes and like I
Speaker 1: love the Warriors, but sometimes I'm like, or all these
Speaker 1: other teams, like the Houston, like just you mean, you're
Speaker 1: shooting threes up the fucking every fucking and from fucking
Speaker 1: twenty ft behind, Like it's cool. Sometimes I'm like, what
Speaker 1: the fund is this ship? And you know, these guys
Speaker 1: get to the basket so freely all the time, whenever
Speaker 1: they want, and they're all great. And of course James
Speaker 1: Harden would play back in the days and all these
Speaker 1: dudes who play. But you know, but Shaq with motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I remember playing with Shaq and if a guard was
Speaker 1: ever killings like let him come to the paint like
Speaker 1: Shaq with lay something, Shock with l James out Shack
Speaker 1: with Steff Shoate like that. Yeah, like that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: Like it was just known because it was a more
Speaker 1: physical game. So if someone's rocking, let him get by you.
Speaker 1: I got him, you know what I mean, And then
Speaker 1: you'll think twice about coming to the paint next time.
Speaker 1: But it's the way different now. It's it's it's different
Speaker 1: and and and you know, like I said, it's good,
Speaker 1: it's change is good. But and I'm not diminishing anything
Speaker 1: because these guys are stupid, but but I just feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's gotta be some something something the defender
Speaker 1: can do. And and uh, you know, seeing these just
Speaker 1: the launching of the threes and Joel Ebad, I'm like
Speaker 1: maybe I don't understand, Like I just feel like if
Speaker 1: he just committed to being down there, nobody could guard this.
Speaker 1: When used to shoot threes, it was cute. It's the
Speaker 1: same thing, right, you know what I mean, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: he should get your fucking ask down here and get
Speaker 1: thirty and twenty a game like or because at this point,
Speaker 1: like yo, you and your man uh the new captain
Speaker 1: light skin Ben Simmons down there, like yo, you guys
Speaker 1: are your career is being defined. You motherfucker's are not
Speaker 1: winners not. I don't know. If you don't like each other,
Speaker 1: you up to each other's girls. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it is. But to be that good, you're gonna look
Speaker 1: back and be like I had an opportunity to play
Speaker 1: with him, play with him? What is this ship? Most
Speaker 1: of the time, when you have a point guard that
Speaker 1: that can't hit a spot up three and your big
Speaker 1: man demands double teams, it's gonna be it's gonna be
Speaker 1: hard to win. If you had guards with Tim Duggan
Speaker 1: David Robson, they couldn't shoot, you can just double them.
Speaker 1: So some kind of way. Either Ben has to work
Speaker 1: on the shodow. They gotta switch that up because he's
Speaker 1: and beat his too dominant to paint to not have
Speaker 1: a guard who they can just sit in the paint
Speaker 1: on him and the right JJ Reddy was the worst
Speaker 1: thing that they let let go. All their shooters. They
Speaker 1: had ilios over. They had a handful of shooters they
Speaker 1: let go, and that was their fault, and they made
Speaker 1: it tougher on being and tougher on on on Vangil world.
Speaker 1: But how much fun could you talk about the eighties
Speaker 1: and nineties? How much fun did because we were in
Speaker 1: the fucking throws of it? Did you guys have watching
Speaker 1: the last dance? I was dying. It was like a
Speaker 1: behind the scenes like not to controp that that was
Speaker 1: Instagram for us because now either so much access to
Speaker 1: everyone's life, lebron ship and see none of that from
Speaker 1: Mike none. You saw Mike the player, that Mike the owner,
Speaker 1: and then Mike the shoe salesman, and see nothing in between.
Speaker 1: I was bugging off of that ship. I cried, I
Speaker 1: got chills. It took me I had I was emotional
Speaker 1: rollercoaster on that ship. I loved it, and it brought
Speaker 1: back feelings because I've tried to bury the feelings you're
Speaker 1: talking about going to the Knicks. And I acknowledged him
Speaker 1: to his face. I told Reggie Miller after he retired,
Speaker 1: I saw that motherfucker in a sushi restaurant because I
Speaker 1: used to talk ship did and and not like Spike,
Speaker 1: but I would, I would talk shipped to that fucking guy.
Speaker 1: And he said to me in a you're done, You're
Speaker 1: done talking ship. I said, I'm sucking done, man. I say, yo,
Speaker 1: it's respect love you. He loved it, though loved it.
Speaker 1: We made him Hall of Fame. I put you in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame regime, Spike Lee put you in
Speaker 1: the old thing, because without that, you were good. We
Speaker 1: took you to the next level, me and everybody in
Speaker 1: the fucking guarden. But when I saw that my stance
Speaker 1: and he's up there with them fucked up teeth, and
Speaker 1: you got money, and you've been on TV and and
Speaker 1: and I was having flashbacks. I was like, fuck you,
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller, and I'm not gonna be nice anymore. I'm
Speaker 1: just not gonna say anything to him. I can't stand you.
Speaker 1: I never could stand you. I didn't like your fucking teeth.
Speaker 1: I hated the fucking pacers. You made me fucking sick.
Speaker 1: But I had like I was like I had. We
Speaker 1: made me relive my feelings of hate for that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I hated that motherfucker's I hated Mike during because he
Speaker 1: fucked he sucked my team up. But but I could
Speaker 1: still I could still appreciate because I did love him.
Speaker 1: At some point. I never loved that snaggletooth motherfucker, Reggie Miller.
Speaker 1: Have you had him on here, he'd be good. He
Speaker 1: those two shots then against a two threes back to back.
Speaker 1: What were you thinking at that time? That I just
Speaker 1: I wanted I hated that. Now. I hated that motherfucker
Speaker 1: so bad. I hated that fucking guy. And then when
Speaker 1: they had and he and they made me turn on
Speaker 1: my guy Mullen, who was like my spirit, the animal,
Speaker 1: and that was my guy. That was that was my guy,
Speaker 1: Lefty Slow like that was my like mama was my dude.
Speaker 1: But then when he went to Indiana, I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't funk with you. Can't funk with you or
Speaker 1: the bullshit haircut? Who was your guy? Who was your
Speaker 1: one guy going up to playing ball? Like it was
Speaker 1: your like, that's my guy. If you have to pick one, uh,
Speaker 1: I would have to say, I think two people. You
Speaker 1: just got a piping grand hill. I looked at like that.
Speaker 1: I didn't look at Magic and Jar like like you
Speaker 1: just were like I was amazed. You love them. I understand,
Speaker 1: I understand. I understand, But that fucking that last dance
Speaker 1: put me through because I would rewatch it in between
Speaker 1: the next episode. I kept rewatching them. But that fucking
Speaker 1: when he was up there talking that bullshit, I was like,
Speaker 1: still man the video when he's when was talking ship
Speaker 1: in the game, he said, in the locker room the
Speaker 1: next day, He's sit in the locker room next day
Speaker 1: with the bat. Don't worry about it, smoking a cigar
Speaker 1: in the locker room. He said. Anybody could talk. Anybody
Speaker 1: could talk when you'll yeah, anybody real man. Hey, that
Speaker 1: was the scene for me, bro One thing that was ship,
Speaker 1: Cigar in the locker room, Cigar in the locker room,
Speaker 1: cigar in the on the airplane, Cigars in the hotel,
Speaker 1: uh in the hotel like he was, Cigars on the bus,
Speaker 1: like the Mike. What I saw was like one of
Speaker 1: my favorite things. Obviously getting a chance to see that,
Speaker 1: but seeing how competed, like seeing the Kobe ship in
Speaker 1: Mike or vice versa. You know, you know the play
Speaker 1: with Kobe. In the way Kobe approached practice. Now you
Speaker 1: would fight teammates sometimes man, animal everything. Ever, whenever he practiced,
Speaker 1: sometimes he was sometimes would get their earliest just get
Speaker 1: all his work and just watch practice. But the days
Speaker 1: he did a practice in scrimmage for all the way,
Speaker 1: there's no coast all the way at it. It's video.
Speaker 1: It's videos of him talking to teammates. I don't want
Speaker 1: to practice with y'all. Y'all up, ain't you ain't come
Speaker 1: here to work today? You know what I mean? And ship,
Speaker 1: you see, MJ was the same way he was on
Speaker 1: that ship and you know people, you know people, Oh
Speaker 1: he's a fucking ass. I'm like, yo, you think I
Speaker 1: mean anybody that transcended Marlon Brando, he was a notorious
Speaker 1: piece of ship to work with, not knowing his lines,
Speaker 1: showing up, you know, crazy James Brown, fucking shipping on
Speaker 1: the band. You know anybody that's that what they do,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of everybody like you, right right
Speaker 1: you just just just any anybody who that's trans Denzel
Speaker 1: Washington's he supposed to be a motherfucker on set, but
Speaker 1: look what you get. You're not gonna get that. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure when people you know, like anybody that's that
Speaker 1: fucking sick. Of course he was a motherfucker. This isn't
Speaker 1: fucking we're not playing this then We're coming to fucking
Speaker 1: He's the goat for a reason, right, He's the go
Speaker 1: for a reason. He's coming to fucking bust your fucking ask.
Speaker 1: And if you don't like it, and you're too soft
Speaker 1: and you didn't get the funk up out of here,
Speaker 1: we'll get another. You ain't ship, We'll get another motherfucker
Speaker 1: passed the ball to when I when I got triple team,
Speaker 1: so you could dunk it, Bill Wnnington, whoever. The people
Speaker 1: don't talk about this, Lebron has a lot of Mike
Speaker 1: in them too. As far as separation, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, His dedication to the game. Like people don't
Speaker 1: don't see the similarities of Braun and Jordan, but I
Speaker 1: see a lot in dedication to be the best, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? They have They have a lot
Speaker 1: of similarity. How could you? I mean, he's sick. This
Speaker 1: guy's fucking stupid, unbelievable. Been in his prime for seventeen years.
Speaker 1: Never another player has been in this prime for seventeen
Speaker 1: He's doing dunks in seventeen years in the NBA that
Speaker 1: I can do it in high school this fucking year
Speaker 1: was this bubble ship was? I mean, he's a fucking
Speaker 1: animal man like yo. He dominated the game defensively, offensively,
Speaker 1: bubble not a bubble, the whole fucking I mean, he's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And you know what if if, if they're focused and
Speaker 1: healthy next year you come in whatever fun playoffs, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be right there. If they don't win it, you're
Speaker 1: not getting that win easy. So where do you put Jordan?
Speaker 1: Kobe Brown? What's that for you? I don't like the
Speaker 1: skipping over Kobe, you know how just they just all
Speaker 1: of a sudden we felt with that. But with that said,
Speaker 1: I do feel like Lebron with his career still having
Speaker 1: to be played their stuff, he can do to jump Kobe.
Speaker 1: I think Michael Jordan's and it's also who we watch
Speaker 1: growing up. It's like, you know, the sentimentality of hearing
Speaker 1: this first song when you you know, and the Chris
Speaker 1: Mullen and the Larry Birds and you know, and Michael,
Speaker 1: even though I couldn't stand them, and even you know,
Speaker 1: the people that I hated, the Reggie Miller's. I would
Speaker 1: say this, the person who has the best career, we
Speaker 1: would say he's better or not better. But as far
Speaker 1: as the best career, it's not even close. To it's
Speaker 1: Lebron not even at this point, it's not even close
Speaker 1: to to do it for seventeen fucking years to win
Speaker 1: the title. There's no astric on this fucking bubble. He's
Speaker 1: been there in the final them every year. Because I'm
Speaker 1: eleven years out of seventeen seventeen, that's more impressive than well, um,
Speaker 1: than Bill Russell's. It's a different time, much different time. Listen,
Speaker 1: No disrespect, Uh, there were guys who were dentists in
Speaker 1: the offseason guarding Bill Russell, who Sell Pstram in the
Speaker 1: fucking I mean belt, fucking Jewish guys guarding Bill Russell.
Speaker 1: No disrespect to the great Bill Russell, but in my
Speaker 1: opinion this is very controversy, the most overrated NBA player ever,
Speaker 1: No disrespect. I know you guys won't acknowledge that. I
Speaker 1: know that team wasn't that then gave me a fucking
Speaker 1: break man, These guys eight teams? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: You know who would have been a champion back then?
Speaker 1: Bryan Scaler Brandy would have been a four time champion,
Speaker 1: White Mama. He would have been transcendent player back then.
Speaker 1: He he could play. He blocked my shot in the
Speaker 1: Big broad with viral y. I think you're trying to hard.
Speaker 1: He has some game, Gonna lie to you. He can
Speaker 1: play up here. He's smart. He's smartest basketball and anybody
Speaker 1: one of the one of the blessings that I've had
Speaker 1: being a big band on Big Three, going to practices,
Speaker 1: watching Steph and Clay workout. People that don't know and
Speaker 1: haven't had the privilege of there's guys that played him
Speaker 1: big through that I can't even name. When you watch
Speaker 1: a professional play verse uh and you're watching in real
Speaker 1: life up close, and you won't say a fucking word
Speaker 1: about anybody. Scal. I'll put him up against anybody watching
Speaker 1: this motherfucker right now. He's probably like, don't put me
Speaker 1: in this. He'll bust your fucking ass right now. I'm
Speaker 1: showing up two hours before I played the last game.
Speaker 1: I'm showing two hours before the first game. Men Scalt,
Speaker 1: Scott Scal. He's showing up around the time I'm getting
Speaker 1: his work into and this is the Big Three. He
Speaker 1: was still still taking to that series. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: when you see professional basketball players, people like go, Matt
Speaker 1: Barnes was just to go, Okay, I got Matt Barnes
Speaker 1: bust your ass too. People don't realize that, like it
Speaker 1: could be the last man that like you're a perfessional.
Speaker 1: That's why people like the last man doesn't play. This
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. You didn't start, like, do you realize like
Speaker 1: that last he averaged sixty in high school, That last man,
Speaker 1: that last man would destroy anybody if people understand. But
Speaker 1: you got that up close and personal personal. You put
Speaker 1: that motherfucker against me. He's Michael Jordan's I've seen Grant Green,
Speaker 1: Gary Gizz Grant, Gary Grant one time when I came
Speaker 1: out to California when I was a teenager, playing it
Speaker 1: Venice Beach killing Michael dunking like you, me and Brian Rooks.
Speaker 1: I've seen him one time randing at a beach shooting
Speaker 1: threes like people hanging on. He never shot at three.
Speaker 1: I mean this guy. Guys play their role. You guys
Speaker 1: know they don't know to see a professional athletes talk
Speaker 1: about what that Big Three experience was like for you.
Speaker 1: I mean you're in the locker room interviewing people, pissing
Speaker 1: some people off, sometimes hanging out with Jack after the game, rapping.
Speaker 1: I mean to be over there interviewing doc. I told
Speaker 1: you what documented me to to to to to be
Speaker 1: in the hotel and docks in there, you know, with
Speaker 1: with with his lady and he's drinking wine. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm never. I'm never you know, to be in there
Speaker 1: chilling like you know before the games would oak with
Speaker 1: him with just bullshit like and and to get to
Speaker 1: also see like you know, like the personalities people with
Speaker 1: their families and like that. It was it was so
Speaker 1: much fucking fun, you know, the interview ice and you know,
Speaker 1: like I just love it so much and have such
Speaker 1: a respect for the game and the the the greatness
Speaker 1: of all the guys, guys that I name I can't remember,
Speaker 1: Like these guys are sick, and and it just it
Speaker 1: was just fun, just fun, just just a fucking ball,
Speaker 1: Like were you crazy, asked Rick Barry. You know that motherfucker? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Gary, I mean this talk about an actor? Yeah,
Speaker 1: this mother he could do with like a stand up
Speaker 1: comedy tour. Yes, Yes, that motherfucker's funny. And you know,
Speaker 1: like and when when when it would get really competitive
Speaker 1: real quick, or when Gary starts talking ship like it's
Speaker 1: not like he's just you ain't ship, Like I don't
Speaker 1: remember who he was going after he went like he was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he went in you trashing, You ain't nothing. He got
Speaker 1: so upset, he was at a loss for words. What
Speaker 1: was your stats? You playing? What's Gary going at it?
Speaker 1: He's the best, He's the best, ad the trash the best.
Speaker 1: And you know with that moment between you and Oak
Speaker 1: and I'm watching him like you know, like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm like and Timisland we at the bar together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's a few almost near fight situations. Yeah, they're scary, man,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's been a big yeah. And Big Baby there was
Speaker 1: with Cato in them, uh, James White who was Johnes
Speaker 1: and core mcgetty, uh from he's played for Atlanta, Joosh
Speaker 1: and White. That was crazy because got hands us Yeah
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and Rice came out with a chip on
Speaker 1: his shoulder like I was like, oh, I'm not going
Speaker 1: near and seeing the video, he grabbed Josh wrist like
Speaker 1: I was trying to break it, like like he grabbed
Speaker 1: him just like get me my own. It was dope.
Speaker 1: It was fun as ship and and it was just
Speaker 1: it was dope. I mean Big Baby, I mean talk
Speaker 1: about one of one of one, no one else like him.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's nobody pushing four on the pounds
Speaker 1: can move like that, I'm sorry, like a ballerina. Like
Speaker 1: a ballerina, yo. You never see no ship like that.
Speaker 1: You see the ship go viral. Just uniform in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't believe he's the best. He's
Speaker 1: so dope. He's the fucking best. And and and I'm like,
Speaker 1: does he know that it looks bugged? Or does he
Speaker 1: not know that because he doesn't care. He doesn't give
Speaker 1: a fee. But I was curious. I was like, does
Speaker 1: he know how he has to know that this looks crazy?
Speaker 1: He's it was happening with the last minute show up.
Speaker 1: He decided to play league. They're playing in Atlanta, right sways? Uniform, yo,
Speaker 1: that talk about good feet, That motherfucker's spinner and he
Speaker 1: spinned through. You're not but in the Big three unguardable,
Speaker 1: he's a fucking I mean, who's a player. You found
Speaker 1: kind of new respect for that You might have not
Speaker 1: have known until you got to see how close in
Speaker 1: the Big three? Good question? You know, man, honestly, I
Speaker 1: mean probably baby the physicale, like the the the movement,
Speaker 1: a big baby. You think he's just a fucking you know,
Speaker 1: like you know, because his personality he's crying, he's upset,
Speaker 1: but like watching him physically, it's one of one, like
Speaker 1: just it's he's probably like the one that like you'd
Speaker 1: be like you you would go to watch him just
Speaker 1: to see like that ship because it looked crazy and
Speaker 1: to be that close to it, you could appreciate it
Speaker 1: on a different level, you know. I mean that the
Speaker 1: competitiveness of all the dude, like you knew Nate was
Speaker 1: ready to like you know, Nate's coming in shape and
Speaker 1: and all that ship. But baby watching baby, there was
Speaker 1: a couple of seasons where he was really like he
Speaker 1: was he was he was in shape for himself, you know,
Speaker 1: his his his in shape is different than everybody else
Speaker 1: is in shape. But when he's moving and spinning and
Speaker 1: shipped like that and shooting like yeah, that should I
Speaker 1: think he was so underrated in the NBA and and
Speaker 1: he just went a job. He didn't say nothing. He
Speaker 1: just went to the job. He came into Big three
Speaker 1: and dominated bro. Everything that we expect him to come
Speaker 1: to do, he did it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And it was good for him for me to see
Speaker 1: him be at the top of the league and everybody
Speaker 1: praised him because he didn't get the praise the dessert
Speaker 1: n and and it's crazy because games, you know, it's
Speaker 1: as good as you know, when when when you guys
Speaker 1: get to the point where you're out of the NBA
Speaker 1: with your skills and you're still still so much better
Speaker 1: than the rest of the world, it's just a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's just a little bit. You're barely out the NBA,
Speaker 1: so you still got a lot of game, a lot
Speaker 1: of game. It might be just a little bit of quickness.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it could be just politics, of course,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, there's funny people are just politics.
Speaker 1: That was crazy. Tried it and and that was beautiful
Speaker 1: and he he was great last year, and I mean
Speaker 1: it extended his career. Doesn't get mellowed because you know,
Speaker 1: you're hearing trades, possible trades, and you hear that there's
Speaker 1: not very much interest, and you sit back, like, how
Speaker 1: not Russell Westbrook first by Hall of Famer, Like that's
Speaker 1: the problem? Yeah, I hope. So you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: what they did to Ai, they fucked him. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys, yeah, I mean, they push you guys out.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of motherfucker's that they do that too,
Speaker 1: And I don't like it because you know if it's
Speaker 1: probably League and Jamal Jamal Crawford, like, you don't want this.
Speaker 1: This is a class act. He could still give you fifty.
Speaker 1: You don't want him teaching these young men how to
Speaker 1: be men. They don't have that no more, though, your
Speaker 1: nineteen year old fucking dummy who you know it's you
Speaker 1: don't want him to be around a gentleman who could
Speaker 1: bust your ass just to see a professional, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I'm like, you you don't want to
Speaker 1: You're throwing him in there in Brooklyn and the bubble,
Speaker 1: get the fun, disrespectful man like, there's gotta be some
Speaker 1: sort of you know, it helps the teams. It's got
Speaker 1: to help these these players, you know who there was
Speaker 1: a couple of dudes like that when I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't have that no more. Like when me and
Speaker 1: Jack came, there was like veteran leadership and O G
Speaker 1: sometimes and sometimes O G didn't even play. They were
Speaker 1: just there to keep ship in line. Look at yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: give you Vince Carter, give you the ropes like they
Speaker 1: don't have that no more like it's it's younger and
Speaker 1: younger with the average ages, like what twenty two or something.
Speaker 1: The average age used to be a high with high twenties.
Speaker 1: I mean, so vets are you look at Steph curry'st
Speaker 1: one the oldest player on the Warriors. It's crazy. That's why.
Speaker 1: That's why a lot of Playerscuse me, that's why a
Speaker 1: lot of players are picking where they're going to go
Speaker 1: and play places they want to play instead of being
Speaker 1: large to these organizations because they ain't law you to you.
Speaker 1: You know, got trained is all all bets off. You
Speaker 1: can't be, you can't be you know, they're just they're
Speaker 1: just jobs. It's a place, it's a workplace. Different. But
Speaker 1: like they don't need to have Donnis on the Miami
Speaker 1: But but when he's screaming at these dudes something he
Speaker 1: is three or five the mayor he is three or five,
Speaker 1: You can't you can't send him to no other team.
Speaker 1: He has to be that. He has to be there.
Speaker 1: But that kind of guy should be on each team. Agree,
Speaker 1: I totally agree that you need that. You know, like
Speaker 1: if someone he's doing whatever the funk, like a guy there,
Speaker 1: like they just almost like another coach. Yeah, it's not fair.
Speaker 1: I don't like when they rushed people out of the NBA.
Speaker 1: I don't like it's that business of it, disruptive behavior.
Speaker 1: What I drew you to the podcast space the most. Ship.
Speaker 1: I did your podcast twice, and that's such a good time.
Speaker 1: And that's really what sparked the idea for me and Jack.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I want to Mike's podcast. We smoked
Speaker 1: and we just talked ship and laughed the whole time.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, I love it. I got into
Speaker 1: you know, before it became like this, everybody got a
Speaker 1: fucking podcast. It's crazy. Everybody, everybody, you know, you do
Speaker 1: my Pockets. I'm like, do thirty episodes and then I'll yeah,
Speaker 1: like fucking my gardeners. I'm like, come on talking about
Speaker 1: doing But I I just love it. I love the
Speaker 1: the the freedom of it. I love the the fact
Speaker 1: that you're not um obliged to talk or not talk
Speaker 1: about whatever you want. Um. It's it's outlet. It's fun
Speaker 1: and it's it's creative. It's fun. You know, there's no
Speaker 1: rules in it, there's no you know, you guys are
Speaker 1: doing video, but you know you could do a podcast
Speaker 1: if we were just doing an audio anyway, you know,
Speaker 1: And and that's dope, you know, to have something where
Speaker 1: you could be like, yo, let's just spit some ship,
Speaker 1: um right. But so I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: It's fun and it's it's it's just it's just fun.
Speaker 1: It's just fun and you get to really kind of
Speaker 1: especially through this, you know, I'll be honest, I was
Speaker 1: nervous when everything got shut down because in your head
Speaker 1: you're like, we're just gonna be inn House and the
Speaker 1: rest of it. But this year, especially during those March April,
Speaker 1: May June through all the the the protesting and everything
Speaker 1: like that, for me, it was some of my best
Speaker 1: podcast because it was so much going on. Um so
Speaker 1: beat shout Out we picked it up to Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and so it's it's it's a dope form. And like
Speaker 1: I said, I mean, you guys are so unique because
Speaker 1: in regards to life and sports, like your authorities, um
Speaker 1: in sports, especially obviously basketball, but in life, you know,
Speaker 1: you guys are respected and you're also young men and like,
Speaker 1: you know, just even a little bit that I know
Speaker 1: you guys to see you know, uh, everything that you
Speaker 1: know to to be spokes to become spokespeople. It's dope,
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, it's it's dope. And and you know,
Speaker 1: to have this outlet where you can you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't think that when we first started doing it, and
Speaker 1: this is you know, it's just a dope. It's just
Speaker 1: a dope form. But but everybody got the motherfucker likes
Speaker 1: to say, you know, we get to control our own
Speaker 1: story now, you know what I mean. I think one
Speaker 1: thing we wanted to touch on earlier to you know,
Speaker 1: with you know, the new silist head coach in Houston,
Speaker 1: with James and Rust want to leave. It has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with him, but that's how the media is
Speaker 1: going to try to spend it, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: so we're actually talking to Kendrick Parkins before the show, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we have enough people in our space and
Speaker 1: now to let people know like, no, so this wasn't
Speaker 1: the problem. It was management in the way they dealt
Speaker 1: with it is the reason why Russe and James want
Speaker 1: to leave. But people are gonna try to say like
Speaker 1: they don't want to play for silence. So small things
Speaker 1: like that that allow us to you know, to tell
Speaker 1: our own story and and the media can't run with
Speaker 1: the narrative they want to create. You ask any player
Speaker 1: that know him, have been around Steve size about time?
Speaker 1: Everybody's saying about time. And his father's Paul, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: my guy Stevens with us and m me and Charlotte
Speaker 1: as well, him and Paul. He's ready to go. He's
Speaker 1: ready to getting ready to go. Let me ask you,
Speaker 1: I know we gotta get ready to be done. Well,
Speaker 1: how what do you think of the Nashum? I like it?
Speaker 1: You do? I like it? I mean, I like the
Speaker 1: fact that it's somebody who's actually played the game, who
Speaker 1: knows the game, you know what I mean? You know
Speaker 1: a lot of people have to have things to say that, Well,
Speaker 1: why did um these guys about for a white coach
Speaker 1: that a black coach? I get why that ain't Jane,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Who who understands us though
Speaker 1: he's been in the Wars, was pissed with my man
Speaker 1: and Steve and a's my guy. But I was like
Speaker 1: talking about I know, I didn't like how they tried
Speaker 1: to spend that narrative, you know, because it's privilege, bust
Speaker 1: your ass. Privilege, Yeah, Hall of Fame privilege, privilege. I'd
Speaker 1: rather him than one of those guys have been in
Speaker 1: the film room twenty years and now all of a
Speaker 1: sudden coaching. I'd rather him than that straight because that's
Speaker 1: what normally happens. You guys know his disposition it is.
Speaker 1: I don't know these fucking guys, but are like when
Speaker 1: when when when I think it was Kyrie or Kady,
Speaker 1: one of them said Tuesday, that might be the coach,
Speaker 1: and then Thursday, Steve might be the coach. You Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I mean that. I think sometimes Kyrie just
Speaker 1: says talking right, But I mean I think obviously they
Speaker 1: had to get signed off, signed off for those two guys.
Speaker 1: And I really think, honestly, if Kyrie is locked in,
Speaker 1: which I'm hearing he is gonna be, Steve is going
Speaker 1: to help him more than anybody the most, just from
Speaker 1: the mental and psychological standpoint in the approach to the game,
Speaker 1: because Steve is one of the all time great point guards.
Speaker 1: He's stupid. I think it was a great move for
Speaker 1: the same fact of what he said, to get Kyrie
Speaker 1: on page and to buy in and get to respect
Speaker 1: from the coach. You can find a better player than Steve.
Speaker 1: He's gonna respect. This is guy that he looks up to,
Speaker 1: this guy that he watched play his game. He has
Speaker 1: a lot of Steve Nash in his game, he does,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that's just the basket
Speaker 1: and the same with Kobe would have got coached by
Speaker 1: m J. It's the same type of thing that the
Speaker 1: respect that a guy like Steve Nash can bring to
Speaker 1: the locker room, it's priceless. You can't get that from anybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's they're gonna be They're gonna be fucking sick with
Speaker 1: me personally. I don't think they should bring Harden. I
Speaker 1: want to see it. I just want to see it
Speaker 1: for the game. They got a nice team though, they
Speaker 1: got a crew, really nice, and we haven't seen that.
Speaker 1: We haven't seen the team they got yet. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling the world right now. My homeboy is running.
Speaker 1: Rico Hunts is running runs over the El Camino College
Speaker 1: and k D is on ship. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know what he's doing with his hair that sometimes you
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta fuck you gotta let go. Let me see.
Speaker 1: The thing is he had he had baby dreads. Anyway,
Speaker 1: by just brushing it, you let it just I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you right now, you're not doing him a service
Speaker 1: by even validating that ship. Your guy. You gotta cut
Speaker 1: it off. Yes now, if I say anything like stay
Speaker 1: out of his hair, black man's hair and all ship,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell Stephen Jackson you need to tell him
Speaker 1: you're not doing him a service by explaining or baby dreaded.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuss he got gone. I
Speaker 1: know he's got a little bit of that, my man,
Speaker 1: my man, Jerome Cursy ship, God bless him. Okay, we
Speaker 1: all got our hair ship. You got the ill, the ill,
Speaker 1: lucky you. Your ship is strong. My man, Paul George, Yo,
Speaker 1: he got the ship down, Paul Paul George never got
Speaker 1: an edge because his hairline is believing die to have
Speaker 1: that fucking hairline. That motherfucker's down. He gotta fucking his forehead.
Speaker 1: He got a two head. We got. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about that. We got him on the show. I'm not him.
Speaker 1: One time I said, yo, yo, you know, if you
Speaker 1: got your ship down here, some chea pet ship, keep
Speaker 1: because I mean, but but but I was saying all
Speaker 1: that to say, Kad is on his ship the way
Speaker 1: he is moving in ye get back to you and
Speaker 1: you have the authority to see my man, My dude,
Speaker 1: you're in Brooklyn, you've been out. I don't know what
Speaker 1: you need to do, but you need to fix your
Speaker 1: ship before you head to December twenty six. Fix your ship.
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you how to fix it. If you
Speaker 1: need to glue it, he's snap on, He's going to
Speaker 1: see this. K d I busted his balls. I busted
Speaker 1: his fucking balls, I said when he started talking about
Speaker 1: the nixt fun with k D Yo. If you show
Speaker 1: up Game one with just ship spotty, I'm not I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not having it. I'm gonna be on your ass.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on your fucking as. No Bruno forty
Speaker 1: with his ship like looking like a seventy year old
Speaker 1: roster who got lost somewhere and he's never made it
Speaker 1: back like his ships Like, Wow, what's the difference between
Speaker 1: Mike Rappaport the podcast host, and Mike in real life?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not on Blast all the time. One
Speaker 1: thing that because of the podcast and because of Instagram,
Speaker 1: like people literally come up to me in the street
Speaker 1: when I'm with my wife. The other day, some dick
Speaker 1: staying Donald Trump, and they're they're fans. I'm with my whiz,
Speaker 1: I'm holding hands like there's a woman here. But they're
Speaker 1: so hyped and they think that I'm gonna be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: funk that motherfu. I'm like, we're a brunch man, like
Speaker 1: I got you and I appreciate the love. That's the
Speaker 1: biggest thing is that people think that I'm on and
Speaker 1: you know, we're doing this is a show, right, so
Speaker 1: I'm I'm amped up, but you know the show cuts off.
Speaker 1: We show you guys are not, you know, all fucking
Speaker 1: amped up all the time too, especially you're low key
Speaker 1: as shit, and you know, I'm sure people have preconceived
Speaker 1: notions you. But people think that I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: fuck Lebron, Fuck Lebron. Mike. I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I know it's the season is not for
Speaker 1: six months, you know, yeah, like you fucking When I'm
Speaker 1: in New York, it's you know, Mike rap, fuck the Knicks,
Speaker 1: fuck the funking. My father's like he's an eight eight seven,
Speaker 1: He's like, what what's what's you know? Is there fans
Speaker 1: or want to fight you? Yeah, you don't know what
Speaker 1: is going on? What's what's happening, So that that's the
Speaker 1: biggest thing about I'm in real life. I'm I'm not
Speaker 1: at all the time. It's what people see on the internet.
Speaker 1: It's it's a thought. It's a marination of the thought.
Speaker 1: It's usually when I'm walking my dog and it's kind
Speaker 1: of like instead of calling somebody, I just you cocksucker,
Speaker 1: you motherfucker. No, no, and then I put it down
Speaker 1: and then it's I'm done. I'm glad you said your dog.
Speaker 1: How is the videos you make? This dog that trying
Speaker 1: to bite you every morning? How moved? How are you moving? Moved?
Speaker 1: The dogs moved? The dogs moved? He made videos and
Speaker 1: this dog he used to walk his dog and some
Speaker 1: dogs just trying to bite him through every Yeah, just
Speaker 1: running out, like you know when you're like early in
Speaker 1: the morning, you're just chilling it and like, you know,
Speaker 1: like what the funk? And I used to screaming it.
Speaker 1: But I used to be ready for him, and I
Speaker 1: used to scream at him before you're yelling at the dog.
Speaker 1: That dog is gonna kill somebody. What's one piece of
Speaker 1: advice you can give people that we're so set on
Speaker 1: one career. It didn't work out and they transferred into
Speaker 1: another career. Would be the piece of advice to be
Speaker 1: able to continue to kind of transition into that next move.
Speaker 1: For me, I think that the best thing about any career,
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, I only know show business or
Speaker 1: whatever is you have to have to do it. You
Speaker 1: can't want to do it. You you you. It has
Speaker 1: to be something you have to do. Like you had
Speaker 1: to play ball, you didn't. It wasn't like you know,
Speaker 1: all ship, I'm gonna go work on my fucking left
Speaker 1: hand like you just did it organically, and and and
Speaker 1: the times are so tough right now, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: You know, for everybody, especially young people, with everything we're
Speaker 1: going with, you gotta find something. You know, all dreams
Speaker 1: don't come true. Unfortunately. I literally thought I was gonna
Speaker 1: be a basketball player, but then I found something that
Speaker 1: I was like, that was what I was meant to be.
Speaker 1: These are also special jobs. We're lucky, right, but you
Speaker 1: have to have that and and and the grit, and
Speaker 1: sometimes the grit and the tenacity to keep going is
Speaker 1: more important than the talent. The talent's important, you need talent,
Speaker 1: but the the highs and lows of life, the highs
Speaker 1: and lows of career. You have to have that fuck
Speaker 1: you added to whatever however that manifests in your head.
Speaker 1: Mine is more like a fun gratitude. But you have
Speaker 1: to have that grit to keep going, especially in in
Speaker 1: in this business, because there's gonna be highs and lows
Speaker 1: for for for everybody. I don't get like, there's very
Speaker 1: few that don't have highs and lows out there, and
Speaker 1: even then it'll catch up with them too. Um, everybody
Speaker 1: coming for your job. Everybody's coming for your job. Everybody
Speaker 1: gets older. You know that every there's the next sexy motherfucker.
Speaker 1: There's the next you know whatever, there's the next dudes
Speaker 1: that are you know, you just gotta you know, the
Speaker 1: tenacity is the most important thing for me, um, and
Speaker 1: and and you just it sounds like a cliche, but
Speaker 1: you cannot fucking listen. You gotta trust your gut. The
Speaker 1: voices in your head will fuck you up. Sometimes they'll
Speaker 1: tell you, they'll tell you that you are the ship.
Speaker 1: You know, you just gotta keep keep going. Home stretch
Speaker 1: quick hitters. If you were coaching in a pickup basketball
Speaker 1: game at the park, or are you taking five guys?
Speaker 1: Fuck all right, I'm just taking my five favorite guys.
Speaker 1: I'm taking Doc. I'm not gonna go for this dream team.
Speaker 1: I'm taking Doc. I'm taking Moses Malone, I'm taking Mike
Speaker 1: one already I'm taking I'm taking Isaiah. And now I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm not We're gonna win the game. It's in
Speaker 1: the park. And though they listen, don't get over it.
Speaker 1: I have talked to them one game game. You guys
Speaker 1: figured this bullshit out because I don't like it. They
Speaker 1: try to get my man, Isaiah. They try to they
Speaker 1: try to shoot on Isaiah and Isaiah. Listen, when you
Speaker 1: six one from the bottom of the bottom of the
Speaker 1: bottom of the bottom of the bottom of the hood,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have that ship on you. Okay, it's still
Speaker 1: lasted today. Someone was just interviewed. I'm talking about Mike
Speaker 1: was number five in his on his top five. Like
Speaker 1: that ship still burns deep between them too. Hey cool
Speaker 1: for this pickup game. And they don't gonna have Larry
Speaker 1: He'll he'll cool him out to win this game. We're
Speaker 1: in the park. Got Dr Jay, Larry Bird, Moses, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Moses was I dude, he wasn't my favorite, but
Speaker 1: I just love the way he played mom. Did you
Speaker 1: guys ever get coached by him? Like in Philly? I
Speaker 1: played up with him in Houston was cool ship. He
Speaker 1: was like from another era right up fun with Moses maloone.
Speaker 1: He was on some ship. So that's my team. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna lose too many games at that time. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be all right. Top five hip hop albums ever
Speaker 1: m I'll go with and to thirty six Chambers Clan,
Speaker 1: there's nothing to fun with uh Minna, Mary's Trip call Quest.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with um. Man. This is a tough question.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with um criminal Minded b DP, fuck
Speaker 1: you young motherfucker's you went you went hard with that one.
Speaker 1: BTP stupid Darren production. Um, I'll go with gang Star.
Speaker 1: They're there. Um, I'll go with gang Star. And then
Speaker 1: the fifth album, I would go with man my my
Speaker 1: brain is is slipping. But fifth album, I would go
Speaker 1: with Shit And there's so many good I would go
Speaker 1: with the Chronic that's a good album. I mean there's
Speaker 1: so many forget but that that those will be the
Speaker 1: five today. I mean you could do two or three
Speaker 1: just ghost Face Killer Records. Uh, you know he's had
Speaker 1: records and then only both for human links is stupid.
Speaker 1: But that that, you know, those lists are tough because
Speaker 1: you could ask me in an hour. You know, people
Speaker 1: get so angry. Yeah, and then people you know, you're like,
Speaker 1: what was I rocking? Uh this morning? And you know,
Speaker 1: but that that's a good five uh, five dinner guests
Speaker 1: ship that are alive, shit five dinner guests dead or alive.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with all live. I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with now he's not very talkative, but
Speaker 1: I'll go with de Niro. I'll go with Larry Birds.
Speaker 1: I've never even seen him in real life. I'll go
Speaker 1: with I'll go with man Stevie Wonder. This should be
Speaker 1: a cool dinner. It's gonna be all men. I'll go
Speaker 1: with fuck Um, I'll go with I mean, there's so
Speaker 1: many fucking people. Man. I go with Trump. Someone just
Speaker 1: said that too, because they wanted to know what he
Speaker 1: was thinking. Who just said that. One of our other
Speaker 1: guests just said that he's gonna be like, why the
Speaker 1: fund you invite me? And we're gonna talk to you
Speaker 1: fuck and then and then I'll go in. I'll go
Speaker 1: with my one of my favorite actors. I brought her
Speaker 1: up earlier just because I'm thinking, I gotta have a woman,
Speaker 1: because you know, otherwise they'll cancel me. I'll go with
Speaker 1: my girl, Regina King, because that's why I say, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's dope, you should have her on the podcast. And
Speaker 1: Regina Hall. Regina Hall's dope to you guys, A crush,
Speaker 1: a celebrity crush. Yeah, they're they're both dope for the podcast.
Speaker 1: Like they're both funny and cool and well this my this,
Speaker 1: this next question might help with that. Jack finished them
Speaker 1: all face Okay, right here, Okay, Regina Hall, let me refocus. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: last question, who do you want to see on All
Speaker 1: the Smoke? But your answer you have to help us
Speaker 1: get that personality. You guys have had some good fucking guests.
Speaker 1: You know. I would love to see you guys have
Speaker 1: one because I don't think there's been a quintessential interview
Speaker 1: with him. And he was on Bill Simmons podcast and
Speaker 1: Bill Simmons was whack interviewing him, and I know he
Speaker 1: loves ball Denzel. Oh yeah, get Denzel on now, me
Speaker 1: saying it won't do ship to get him on the
Speaker 1: first and foremost I'm gonna be honest. Oh you motherfucker's yo.
Speaker 1: But but but you can. Bill Simmons interview with him
Speaker 1: was fucking whack. But all you gotta do is talk
Speaker 1: some hoops with him and then you know the acting
Speaker 1: ship because he loves hoops. They said he had a
Speaker 1: lot funnier then he portrayed his movies. Like when you
Speaker 1: talking to him, they say he's almost a comedian. Say
Speaker 1: he's that funny. Listen, get Denzel again, me saying Denzel,
Speaker 1: come on, all the smoke. Nothing that's gonna do nothing.
Speaker 1: He might have funked it up, but he's my favorite.
Speaker 1: Like he's my favorite right now because he's just so
Speaker 1: I mean, there's it's hard to pick one, but to me,
Speaker 1: he's To me, he's the best movie star ever because
Speaker 1: he's got the looks, he's got the swag, and then
Speaker 1: his skill set. He could be a character actor. He's stupid,
Speaker 1: and he's just he's got that fucking craft down by
Speaker 1: the balls. At this point, he's so good and and
Speaker 1: he's been so good for so long. A funk with him.
Speaker 1: He's a the number one person who I want to
Speaker 1: work with best. You know, I just have such respect
Speaker 1: for that I would be bugging if I worked with Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: Mike Man, we appreciate your time today, Man, thank you
Speaker 1: great show. That's a wrap all the Smoke. You can
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