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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another edition Oh the Smoke. We ain't been

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Speaker 1: in the studio for my brother. I'm happy to be back, though,

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Speaker 1: to be back. I see your hands are nice and dry.

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Speaker 1: I was speaking to nice and dry. You know what

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Speaker 1: I need? I need my products. Oh man, I'll bring

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Speaker 1: them tomorrow. I ran driving, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: But that was a low key dish. I know I

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Speaker 1: didn't get intri but he said, he said, I see

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Speaker 1: your hands a nice and dry. Yeah. Them used to

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Speaker 1: be first season, the first day swamp nuts hands over

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Speaker 1: here to get to the lights. You know you're a

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Speaker 1: little nervous. Yeah, tell you've done this ship before, so

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Speaker 1: white man. I didn't want to let that just go on.

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Speaker 1: You know what. I'm glad you're here because normally nobody everything.

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Speaker 1: I laugh at everything because everybody miss Matt as Matt

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Speaker 1: just as sleek as you might. Welcome to the man

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Speaker 1: and one of my favorite people. Man. I got a

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Speaker 1: chance to meet them. Been a fan of him for

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Speaker 1: a long time, although I feel like he played Remy

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Speaker 1: too well and higher learning. We're talking about that ship

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Speaker 1: later and Mike Rapp, Baby, I don't even feel like

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Speaker 1: a guess. I feel like I'm just I mean, I

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Speaker 1: just I love you guys that I love the show

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Speaker 1: and I'm so not surprised that you guys are banging

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Speaker 1: and doing your ship. You've been in the locker rooms

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Speaker 1: with the uncessed Top with me, so you know what

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Speaker 1: the Big Three, I mean this guy yeah smoking that

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Speaker 1: locker like NBA locker room and we and we had

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Speaker 1: great yeah we yeah, I mean there was me and him.

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Speaker 1: It went viral, had a little ghetto get it back

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Speaker 1: before the game. That'sh I hope the Big Three comes

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Speaker 1: back because that ship was fun. Fun as funk. I

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Speaker 1: have so much fun doing that ship. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: we're on the bus sometimes I'll take I'll hit you

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Speaker 1: ride with the team and I'm like, all right, I'm in.

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Speaker 1: I'm in the NBA likes and like everybody's just hanging

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Speaker 1: out like this before the game and like what do

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Speaker 1: we do before they get Like I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: like a part of the team. Man, I'm like I'm

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Speaker 1: on the team. Like I'm like, what are we doing today? Coach?

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, the whole Big Three

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Speaker 1: as a team because we all ended together. It's fun.

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Speaker 1: It's so much fun, so much fun for me. So

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Speaker 1: one thing I want to start, Man, where we're at

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Speaker 1: currently in this country. You're one of the most outspoken

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Speaker 1: people on social media. Um, you know, you really speak

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Speaker 1: your mind. I appreciate and respect that people laugh. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you have people rolling them just about the way you

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Speaker 1: go at our former president and his family, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean for me, I've never I'll be totally honest,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure it's similar with you guys. I never

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Speaker 1: spoke on politics. I never knew anything. I never gave

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Speaker 1: it a second thought. I didn't I didn't uh speak

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Speaker 1: on uh Barack. I didn't speak on Hillary. I didn't

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Speaker 1: speak I didn't even speak on Trump, Hillary election anything

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Speaker 1: before that. Before I didn't care about politics, and I

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Speaker 1: never crossed my felt It is like, you know, most younger,

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Speaker 1: dumb motherfucker's like, this is just some ship. You know,

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Speaker 1: some corny ship. Has nothing to do with me. The

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Speaker 1: thing about Trump that has made me well, the one

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Speaker 1: thing that's been good about is I have learned a

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Speaker 1: lot about politics in the last He forced me, and

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Speaker 1: he forced a lot of people, and he forced a

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Speaker 1: lot of people to vote that felt the same way

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Speaker 1: as me. And that's why he fucking lost. That's why

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Speaker 1: he fucking lost because a lot of people publicly and

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Speaker 1: Joe Schmos on the corner who never paid attention, we're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: funk this ship. But for me, because because but for me,

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Speaker 1: it was just you know, the reason why I talked

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Speaker 1: so disrespectful, disrespectfully to him, and it's and it's people

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Speaker 1: know that it's different than when I'm talking about an

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Speaker 1: athlete or the Knicks is because he's he's so disrespectful. Hey,

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Speaker 1: it's so disrespectful. And and I'll never I can't imagine ever. Like,

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Speaker 1: we have the new administration coming in. They're gonna do

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Speaker 1: some things we like, they're gonna do some things we

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Speaker 1: don't like. Don't be fooled into thinking I got the

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Speaker 1: COVID test, by the way, don't be fooled in to

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Speaker 1: think that they're not. But but it won't be done

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Speaker 1: in a malicious way. And the the divisiveness, the divisiveness

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Speaker 1: is unforgivable and and the continuing of it to this

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Speaker 1: day where you're playing games where you're not leaving, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna leave. You lost, no bitch, it's no bitch. You

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Speaker 1: did lose, bitch, And you are gonna leave. And if

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Speaker 1: you don't leave on your own accord, you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: dragged the funk out with decip tize. Okay, And and

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Speaker 1: your people ain't doing shit. There's not gonna be any

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Speaker 1: fucking civil war, um and on mark on January one,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna be there, so you can continue kicking

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Speaker 1: all the Willie Bobo bullshit your kick until then. It's

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a form of emotional terrorizing. He's terrorizing us.

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Speaker 1: He's terrorizing You're not gonna leave. No, you're gonna can leave.

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Speaker 1: Your fucking your daughters leaving your two bumbass sons are

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Speaker 1: leaving your fucking miserable wife is leading to a leaving

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, and and and but like the language

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Speaker 1: that I use is because it's just it's just genuine

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Speaker 1: Like I don't appreciate the disrespect that don't appreciate the

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Speaker 1: way he speaks to people. I don't appreciate the nicknames.

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Speaker 1: This is not basketball, This ain't three on three, This

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Speaker 1: ain't football, This is not snapping, This ain't comedy. This

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Speaker 1: ain't uh any of that ship. You're you're giving people nicknames. No,

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Speaker 1: I got a nickname for you. You're not fuck that

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Speaker 1: like you know? And and and it's not like I think, um,

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Speaker 1: I know, I like, I do know a lot more

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Speaker 1: about politics than I did. I don't consider myself an

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Speaker 1: expert or anyway. But it's like just to be presidential,

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Speaker 1: you have to be at least presidentially. Something is so

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Speaker 1: low he said the bar solo and and some people said, well,

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Speaker 1: you say you you're just like him. I go, I'm

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Speaker 1: a fucking actor, comedian. I ain't the fucking president. And

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Speaker 1: if it was the president, I would behave in a

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Speaker 1: way that that serves the job, Like what the fund

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Speaker 1: is wrong with you? You're crazy? And so that that's

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Speaker 1: what it's brought out of me. And the first time

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Speaker 1: really went nuts. The two things that got my attention

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Speaker 1: when he disrespected McCain and he said, I like my

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Speaker 1: prisoners of war not to be capturers, Like what the

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Speaker 1: funking you? You're a draft dodger, You're a piece of ship,

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Speaker 1: You're a bitch, yo, You're if if we're playing ball,

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Speaker 1: be like I got this motherfucker. You score. You're a

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Speaker 1: bitch ass motherfucker and I'm gonna post them up. Give

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Speaker 1: me the ball, this bitch ass motherfucker. This guy all

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Speaker 1: day like you're that dude, and and so to insult

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Speaker 1: somebody McCain. I didn't know nothing about McCain. I still

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Speaker 1: you're crazy. And then the Charlottesville ship, like, yo, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't take much to say these people are fucking crazy.

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Speaker 1: And if you are so desperate to endorse them and

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Speaker 1: you need those votes, fuck you. Fuck you. And then

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Speaker 1: that was during the Big Three when I was like

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Speaker 1: with the charlettes Field ship, because when you start talking about,

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Speaker 1: and all this crazy ship, I'm like, yo' I'm not

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Speaker 1: That's just how I am. Like, I'm not gonna sit

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Speaker 1: why are you doing that? I'm like, why aren't you

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Speaker 1: say that ship like I mean, so, it's just it's

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Speaker 1: the way he tries to stir people up. And that's

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Speaker 1: why I just stay on him because I'm just like,

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Speaker 1: you're getting the funk out January twenty, motherfucker. And you

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Speaker 1: know you're getting the funk up. So package shit, okay,

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Speaker 1: or have whoever else you need to package. Ship. You're

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Speaker 1: never coming back. There ain't gonna be no portrait. So

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Speaker 1: you're fatast. There's no freeway, there's no bridges, there's no airports.

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Speaker 1: You're fucking you're you're you're a ship stain on this

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Speaker 1: bed to. One thing he did I think is he's

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Speaker 1: it's almost a line drawn in the sand. Now like

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Speaker 1: before you said, you know, whether you're engage in politics

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Speaker 1: or not. Before, if someone else wanted it was never like, okay,

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Speaker 1: well he won. Now it's almost like the other side.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I don't like, because I really agree.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's still over seventy million people who voted

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Speaker 1: for him. I agree. So and I'm just on something

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Speaker 1: and I'm just like you fuck this funk that fuck him.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, if we're ever

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Speaker 1: sure they want to know what about us because you know,

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Speaker 1: Biden Hairs both have spotty records, so I think. And

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Speaker 1: then there's people like Jack that kind of feels like

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Speaker 1: the system has been playing us, is always gonna play us,

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Speaker 1: so fucking so to me, those three worlds need to collide.

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Speaker 1: I totally agree up because we're like your damn if

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Speaker 1: you do, your damn if you're don't. So people look

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Speaker 1: at us crazy because we voted for Biden Herris. People

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Speaker 1: might look at Jack crazy because he didn't vote. People

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Speaker 1: no real win here. So to me, fucking everybody that

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Speaker 1: just to dismiss every single one of those seventy million

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Speaker 1: people that voted for Trump as as a racist. You're

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Speaker 1: listen because okay, Biden Harris one now, there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: four years, whether it's Tim, whether it's the next person.

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Speaker 1: And and we have there seventy million people don't come

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Speaker 1: out for no reason. There's not seventy million million people

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Speaker 1: that are like, I hate black people, I hate Jews,

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Speaker 1: I hate this. That's why I'm voting. It's not that simple.

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Speaker 1: And I've said that on social media. People like, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm I watch all that ship, I watch Fox News,

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Speaker 1: I listened to Ben Shapiro, I watch all the news places.

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Speaker 1: First of all, they're all the same fucking thing. It's

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Speaker 1: fucking like Skip doesn't hate Lebron as much as he says,

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Speaker 1: and stephen A doesn't. You know. It's like performances, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, And those news people are the

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Speaker 1: same thing. But you have to watch. It's like you

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Speaker 1: have to understand. It's like, if you're playing another team,

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Speaker 1: you want to hear what their huddlers doing. So I

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Speaker 1: me understand a little bit more. And it's not about

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Speaker 1: the people who voted for him. For me personally, it's

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Speaker 1: or back in the day. But the energy of the

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00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,879
Speaker 1: fans and the city and the knowledge of the fans

424
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 1: and good basketball, and it just hasn't been that for some.

425
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 1: It's a fucking ship show. Maddie Barnes and the trade

426
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 1: things started today, okay. And I used to not be

427
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,680
Speaker 1: one of these, Oh it's the owner. I I used

428
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 1: to like, you know, uh like even with the Patriots

429
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 1: fun Bob Kraft. It's not it's not the owner, you know.

430
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 1: And for years I didn't even jump on the Dolan

431
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 1: is a piece of ship thing. I literally didn't pay

432
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,360
Speaker 1: any attend. My father was Doland Dolan. Dolan and you'd

433
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 1: hear people say, and I'm like, what, Dolan had nothing

434
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,400
Speaker 1: to do? What are you talking about? These guys ain't shit.

435
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 1: We're changing our coaches every goddamn fucking two or three seasons. Uh.

436
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,679
Speaker 1: And now I we've we've we've changed rosters. The crazy

437
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 1: thing is right now, okay, the season is going to

438
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 1: start the December, right, I will have to look at

439
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 1: the goddamn roster again and be like, who the fuck

440
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 1: are at least eight of these fucking guys, Like like

441
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm doing some sort of quiz, like a spelling bee,

442
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 1: Like if I was doing like a Friday quizzing. This

443
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 1: guy heard Frankie cigarettes. We got I mean, this is

444
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 1: not a culture. So you know, Frankie cigarette, Frankie nicotine.

445
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 1: But like you know, this this cliche of culture and

446
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: all that ship. The culture is so fucked up in

447
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: New York. And when we talk about trades and we

448
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,239
Speaker 1: talk about like James Harden, they're they're throwing his name

449
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: around to Brooklyn. They're not even mentioning the Knicks. He's like, oh,

450
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: he wants a trade. Whether whether or not that's true,

451
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 1: I have no idea. The Knicks aren't even in the

452
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: conversation and this fuck Dolan, he's infected. It's like if

453
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: the building has a spestos he put a sbestos in

454
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: the world's most famous arena, and and another thing. And

455
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 1: you guys know this better than I do. You played

456
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: in New York right, Okay, when you played in New York,

457
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 1: where do you live in the suburbs? Right? White planes? Now,

458
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: for people that don't know New York City, white planes,

459
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: no disrespect. Is a great place to live if you

460
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: have a wife, two kids, and you've got kids that

461
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 1: are going to school and all, and a dog or

462
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 1: two dogs, actually for two dogs. But when you're twenty

463
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: four years old, this is not the New York City experience.

464
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 1: You go to the games and then you gotta trug

465
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: your an hour forty five minutes, hour and a half

466
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: after the game. If you chill out, get a drink,

467
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,080
Speaker 1: you maybe could maybe an hour fifteen minutes. You not

468
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: living in New York City. The practice facility is upstate.

469
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: There's no way like you're gonna be like I want like,

470
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: if you're a young twenty five year old basketball player, Uh,

471
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: that's not the New York experience. Brooklyn. You could you

472
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: live in Brooklyn, which is a dope place. You practice

473
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, you play in Brooklyn and you're ten minutes

474
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: away from Manhattan. That's sexy. That's dope, that's fly. No

475
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: disrespect to the Sacker moms, that's not dope. Nobody wants

476
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: that ship, especially if you can choose it. And it's

477
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: the place they shooted on Oakley and it's the place

478
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: where they fired this coach and fired that coach and

479
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: fucking Phil Jackson and the goddamn Derek Fisher and everything,

480
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 1: and that was like, I don't even I can't even

481
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: keep track of the years, but I'm so sick as

482
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: a fan of of trying to learn these this roster

483
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: every year. There's no core guys and and and no

484
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: disrespect to my guy, Russell Westbrook, love him. This is

485
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: not a fix Russell. Now, yeah, he'll light up the

486
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: guard and a couple of nights, we're we're we're fucked up.

487
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: And they got the Worldwide West and the Leon Rose.

488
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: These things all sound good on paper. The fucking game

489
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: needs to be played with you fucking guys and the

490
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: tall fucking guys that could play and a coach and

491
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: we're fucked and and to go into the season knowing

492
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: we haven't played since March uh and and the twenty

493
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: two December, and like this is what we were starting

494
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: up with him. Like I personally love basketball enough where

495
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: I go, I'm gonna just enjoy the rest of the league.

496
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: That's why I'm not gonna sit here and be miserable.

497
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: People like you're at Golden State Warriors games. I go,

498
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: motherfucking right, at this is Fun's gonna be miserable with

499
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: the guarden watching these dogs shit. And I flipped on

500
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: Porzingis when he decided to leave. He was fucking right.

501
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: I was like, fuck you, Porzingis. I apologize to him

502
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: and I and k D. He said, oh, it's not cool,

503
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: and I said, fuck you Katie that. I said, he's right,

504
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: He's fucking right. He was right, he was fucking right.

505
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: I was wrong. And I've come to terms this is

506
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: like an abusive relationship, being a FA And I know

507
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: you guys are you don't look at it the same

508
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: as now because you're part of it. But as a fan,

509
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: like growing up being growing up in Manhattan with Bernard

510
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: King and the Knicks and then the nineties teams that

511
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 1: represented I know we didn't get the chip, but at

512
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: least you could feel proud. Definitely not teams that we

513
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: could feeling proud of. We have an owner who sits

514
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: there with his fucking beard died, you know, sitting there

515
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: with his fat stomach next to you. I mean, he's

516
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: a This guy's a fucking joke, and and it's every

517
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: fucking year. This is New York City, and we feel

518
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: but we feel you're paying in a different way, you know,

519
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: like we not might not be from New York and

520
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: be that hard fans, but as guys who played in

521
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden, as guys who always wanted to do

522
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: in the season one to go there and play and

523
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 1: play against the Knicks, we understand the importance of it, right.

524
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: We understand its important than the Knicks make to the

525
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: important Nicks out to the NBA and how much better

526
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: the league is when the Knicks are competitive. We understand that.

527
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: What's your guys like if you say you're one memory

528
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: of like a great Madison Square Garden experience that you had,

529
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: whether you were when you were playing or just a

530
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: night watching. I would think watching the nineties, you know

531
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: MJ Battle as Plane was it one gaming Um definitely

532
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: me playing Golden State I had a real good game there,

533
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: but also getting a chance to battle against Alan Houston

534
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: when I was younger, when I first come into the league,

535
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: the garden in was unbelievable. It was unbelievable. What year

536
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: was that. I think this was, oh two or three,

537
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: right were still had hope they won ninety nine, Maybe

538
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: it was maybe it's two thousands, my first year. That's sick.

539
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: When do you feel like it started going wrong because

540
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: you got rain your course with like you said, you

541
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: guys went went to the finals at ninety nine with

542
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: l joke. Um, what was it was great? It was great.

543
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: It was great, Grandmama, it was bull and I appreciated

544
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: it then. I don't know when, you know, I was,

545
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: I was oblivious for years. I was just kind of like, Okay,

546
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: it's gonna get better, and it's gonna get better. I

547
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: have to say that, you know, the Phil Jackson, I

548
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: really you know, I directed the thirty for thirty to

549
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: win the Card of Freedom, and and I was so

550
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: like swept up in the Phil Jackson of it all

551
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: and that not going well really for me personally, that

552
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: really it just disappointed me, man. And I was like

553
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: a lot of people hope they don't gave a lot

554
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: of people hope. But I even feel like, Okay, they

555
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: got feel you know, they got a mind there like

556
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: this is gonna happen, you know. And then and then

557
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: phizz and then they and I'm like, what is going

558
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: to funk on? Here? Man? And then you know, I

559
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: just can't get on that fucking train. You know, I

560
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: can't get on that train. I'm hyped for the twenty second.

561
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm excited about these young guys. You know, I love

562
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: the NBA so fucking much. It's so much fun. And

563
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: like this year under Durest, you know, and I know

564
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: you guys were played, don't play, But when they got

565
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: to that fucking bubble and they were playing, it wasn't

566
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: because they were so focused. I was just like, I mean, that's,

567
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, what a fucking I appreciate the weird times

568
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: of being out here in ten am games. It was

569
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: like fucking march madness. I was like, this is dumb.

570
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: And of course I rooted against the Lakers, but that's

571
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 1: all part of the thrill of victory and the agony

572
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: of defeat. That's as a fan, that's what you want.

573
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: When I was there courtside when you guys, huh when

574
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: do we believe? I was courtside in front of the

575
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: the the the the iPhone guy, and I watched Jerky

576
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: Vinsky his fucking face dropped. Sent that motherfucker home with

577
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: his envy pet trophy, which is probably in a closet.

578
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: That's not the way to get an m v pet.

579
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: This is what the basketball is about. I love that ship.

580
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: And I was there with you when him You might

581
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: have been there too. And when when Deray, when they

582
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: won the first when they won their first championship, when

583
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: I brought the fucking the broom to Cleveland and then

584
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: they and then I brought the plunger to fucking Golden State.

585
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: They didn't sweak them, but then they plunged the motherfucker's back.

586
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: But I love it all, so I could take the

587
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: winds in the losses. It's just it's just I just

588
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: love basketball so much and and and you know, as

589
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: a fan, just as a fan of people get all

590
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: flipped out when I talk my I'm like, I'm just

591
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: a fan, man. It's just you just have a platform

592
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: you can express your opinion. They won't, They fucking won't.

593
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: Got stuff. I got fucking clay I even I I

594
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: got fucking Leberne, I got the fucking I mean, I

595
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: never in my wildest dreams that I think I would

596
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: be rooting for the Boston Celtics against everything you breathe,

597
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: these fucking guys, but like I, you know, but I'm

598
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: you're you know, and the Milwaukee Bucks like I'm cheering, freezing.

599
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: But that's what you gotta. You gotta diversify your assets

600
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: when you are a flyer, doper, sexier team, and it's

601
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: a sexier lifestyle. If I was James Harden, like you

602
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: see Kyrie riding on his bike, that's sick. You're riding

603
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: on your bike in Brooklyn, fifteen minutes away from your arena,

604
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: and you probably live in some stupid fucking high rise

605
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: crap and brook that's fucking sexy. If I'm a star player,

606
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: that's what I want to do, not this fucking soccer

607
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: mom ship up players, fucking Volvo, you know station Wagon. Hey,

608
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: so we had run our tests a couple of weeks ago,

609
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: and he talked about his nick experience and and how

610
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: he thought he was allowed to go to the team,

611
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: and he got drunk and went to famingos and missed

612
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: the fucking workout. He went to a draft ship with

613
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: this nick uniform underneath. That's so run our test. What

614
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: would that have meant to the city though, to get

615
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: around run at that time, it would have been a lot.

616
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean Ron, you know he, I mean he was

617
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: such a He's a great player and it built around man.

618
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: He had that goon aspect and he loved New York

619
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: and wanted to come by the scared players in the

620
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: league more Toronto. Why because they knew he had a

621
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: snap but two before the incident. Do you think he

622
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: was nuts before the incident when they when they knew,

623
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: when they knew he was crazy? But too he was

624
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: one of the best players on the court on both

625
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: strongest Feet's not giving you ship and you cannot stop

626
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: him from posting you up. I'm sorry for for a

627
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: wing player, yeah, obviously six six, six seven to seventy

628
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: great hands, great feet, great feet, What do you mean

629
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: just as full work, lateral movement. Yeah yeah. And even

630
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: if you get bind with he still knows how to

631
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: get the ball from you. Even if you get fundamentally

632
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: sound and guard every position on the court, you're gonna

633
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: get ten points a game from the guy garden and

634
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: being scared of him, scared of him, terrified. I hope

635
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: you don't fall him too hard, hope, I hope you

636
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: don't do something still, Yes, fuck Jesus Christ. And then

637
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: and his team is on the sideline hoping that he

638
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: don't get us a ten text and they're scared for

639
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: the Yeah, we're scared for us, or going the stands,

640
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: go on the stands one another. I remember when I

641
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: was at the Big Three, uh, doing the game and

642
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: and somehow this didn't get you do you? And the

643
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: Oak exchange went viral. Somehow this one didn't go But

644
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: I remember going, oh, no, Oak told Ron to come

645
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: out the game, and Ron said, Ron said no, and

646
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: was like, you can't, that's coming out the game, and

647
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: and and he walked on the court, remember he and

648
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: I was right the Oaks right there, and I was like,

649
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: this is this is not gonna be good. And I mean,

650
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: who's gonna what's gonna happen? Here? Are you gonna stop him?

651
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm not doing you want little fucking frame. You know

652
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: these are NBA dude, like that ship. I was like,

653
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: I don't want this to happen. But they did so

654
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: competitive and motherfucker's are big and you puture you tried,

655
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: They don't know who's behind you. I was at a

656
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: different place then he was. He was a kind of

657
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: different run. But you saw it for a second, click

658
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: for a second and on the way of the court,

659
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: like you thought that wrong, gonna come back, like you

660
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: thought it was for the class. But now Ron came

661
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: back and was like, you're not disrespect to me, not

662
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: at all. Got in his face at the time. Yeah,

663
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: and then then but but I was like, oh ship,

664
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, Ron was a motherfucker. I remember.

665
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a story. I think it was at

666
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: two thousand and four. I was at the All Star

667
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: Game when he made All Star in Indianapolis or with

668
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: the Pacers. I was doing some ship for the NBA, uh,

669
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: interviewing players and motherfucker's all ever. Motherfucker's coming in small

670
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: like weed, smelling like drinks all the ship. Ron was

671
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: there working out what's the coach's name, Rick Carlisle for

672
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: an hour and a half before All Star weekend, doing

673
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: his ship, doing his ship, and I was like this

674
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: motherfucker loves basket. He used to get on the treadmill

675
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: after games for thirty forty minutes and a boy the

676
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: four or five five speed after games, every game gonna

677
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: get on the tradmi regardless he played forty minutes, He's

678
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: still gonna get on the treadman just just either. I

679
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: never saw him left Waite. It was always band work

680
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: and stretching and all that. I couldn't imagine. He's just

681
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: saw some ship. He just loved playing basketball and the

682
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: passion for playing basketball. Some people would never understand. We

683
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: have that. That's why we get him. You know, when

684
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: I was on this team, I guy all the other stuff.

685
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: I laughed at it, and I wouldn't have said some

686
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,959
Speaker 1: of the things that did something. But at the same time,

687
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: on that court, you want that motherfucker on your team.

688
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: You don't want to be scared of the guy guarding

689
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: you and and he's busting your ass and you can't.

690
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: I don't want to say not until fundamentally sound. Let's

691
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: go back a little bit on your journey and how

692
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: everything came about. What was the vibe of New York

693
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: in the seventies and eighties. You know, I grew up

694
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: on the East Side of Manhattan. You know, my father

695
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: worked at a radio station in New York City. He

696
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: was the manager of a radio station UM called w

697
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: K to You Disco in nine seven, and I was

698
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: I loved basketball at this point, like disco disco. Nino

699
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: was the first station in New York City to play

700
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: disco and then afterwards because it was disco before and

701
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: then hip hop. So my father in nineteen seventy nine,

702
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: he would bring home music our whole life. Seventy nine

703
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: he brought home. Uh, and we still have an orange

704
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: promotional copy of Sugar Hole Gangs Rappers. The likes he said,

705
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: this is called rap music. This is gonna be a

706
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: big thing. Yeah, this is like you know, it was

707
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: like call something. You know. It was like, you know,

708
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: me and my brother would just fucking wore that record out.

709
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: But for me seventy nine, Uh, you know, I was

710
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: nine years old fell in love with basketball. Uh. Like

711
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: you know when I when Larry Bird and Magic played

712
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: in the n c A title game, I was like,

713
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in the NBA. That's what I'm gonna do.

714
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm playing in the NBA. And I loved Larry. I

715
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: learned how to shoot over my head quick from watching Larry.

716
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: But as soon as he got drafted by the Celtics.

717
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: I was like, this moment, I hated that motherfucker. But

718
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: you know, playing bowl in the neighborhood that I grew

719
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: up in, it got old quick. So I was like eleven,

720
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: told people like, you gotta go play somewhere else. You

721
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: gotta get better, you want to be better, you want

722
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: to be better, you gotta go somewhere else. So I

723
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: would go to these other teams in these other neighborhoods, Harlem, Brooklyn,

724
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: Brownsville section of Brooklyn where Mike Tyson is from, and

725
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, you'd make friends. And that was just my

726
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: fucking journey from eight one til you know, my my

727
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: my hoop dreams became nightmares. I was just playing ball,

728
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: listening to hip hop, chasing Chicks, and it was just

729
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: white dude in you know, all black neighborhood. But hanging out,

730
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: sleeping over just but when you're so young, you're not

731
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: doesn't even crush your mind. But you know, like that

732
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: experience when I look back on it, like being in

733
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: Brooklyn and hearing gun shots and like we're like, what

734
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: the funk and my friends laughing at me because they're

735
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: so immune to it. When you think about like twelve

736
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: years old, thirteen years old, and and and they're laughing

737
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: at me, and they're not batting an eye from gun

738
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: shots in New York City. How fucking crazy that is.

739
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: But for them it was normal. But you know, when

740
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: I would go like in Brownsville, I remember in eighty three,

741
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: I went to play ball in the park and I

742
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: would hear like, yo, Pearl Washington would be out there,

743
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 1: World be Free, would be out there. And I remember

744
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: going to the park the first time I went to

745
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: this park in Howard Houses, right after fresh out of

746
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: the playoffs with a bullshit rubber ball no NBA Bowl.

747
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: World was out there playing in the park, playing a

748
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: pickup game, and I'm like, you know, and it's a

749
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: fucked up court. I mean, like one hoop is nine

750
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: and a half feet, the other hoop is ten and

751
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: a half. You know, But like being out there watching World,

752
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: James Major's, Pearl, Jerry Ice Reynolds, you know, they wouldn't

753
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: we would watch them play. But basketball and hip hop

754
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: and just being in the hood was just that's just

755
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: what it was. I didn't want ship to do with

756
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: these I didn't want ship to do with my what

757
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: with with bar Mitzvah's with any of that ship. Like,

758
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: I just wanted to play ball. I was gonna be

759
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: in the NBA, and I just was outside. I mean

760
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: we were just outside and outside playing playball all day.

761
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: And you can hoop a little bit too. People don't

762
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: know you went to five star basketball. To five star

763
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: I was I was good, you know, But the separation

764
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: from when you're fifteen were you know, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,

765
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: I was good, but we're like fifteen and motherfucker started

766
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: growing more athletic and you start seeing people at a

767
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: six seven. You're like, how old you? You're like your

768
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: fifteen and I'm like, I'm fifteen two. How the fun

769
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: you six seven? Like what the fund is going? You know?

770
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: Like crazy ship? But but yeah, I went there, and

771
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: you know, and I remember um when I went to

772
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: five star. Rex Chapman was my coach, which was bugged

773
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: the funk out, and I was talking ship to Rex

774
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: because I was like, yeah, this is about dunking and ship.

775
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: And I remember also any big other big name, Christian Lightner,

776
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 1: Billy Owens. Billy Owens was the one who he was fifteen.

777
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: I was fifteen. Billy was six six fastest fund and

778
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck? Malik Silly was there?

779
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: Kenny was there. Kenny Anderson, who I grew up with,

780
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: who you know, I knew he's so underwriting. Man. People

781
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: don't understand how good Kenny Anderson was. Man. You know

782
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: I played that motherfucker one on one. He was eleven.

783
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 1: I was twelve. I swear to god, he I wish

784
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: to his video. He was NBA ready, like he was

785
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: dribbling the fucking ball, like doing all this crazy ship

786
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: at eleven and then you saw him like a thirteen fifteen.

787
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: The whole country knew about him, but that fucking left

788
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: handed jump shot. But I remember being at five star.

789
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah you noticed stroke. He knows this stroke. It's Chris Mullen,

790
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: Kenny Anderson and Mike Rap. But I remember sitting next

791
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: to Sean Kimp at some lecture. Sean has a fucking goatee.

792
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: He's he's a year older than I mean. I'm looking

793
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: at the Shawan camp be fucking shoulders and I'm like, yo,

794
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be in the NBA. Like I'm just not.

795
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: It's not happening. This guy six ft eleven, he got

796
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: a full God, he probably was twenty seven at that point,

797
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: and ship like that. But like then I started thinking, like,

798
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: this is not happening. This is not happening. Um, And

799
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: then I started thinking about acting and you know, doing

800
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: other ship. But the basketball and the experience of of

801
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: of of playing ball and being in the hood and

802
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: being amongst people and and being you know, the highs

803
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: and lows and the winning. And it wasn't even so

804
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: much the games. It was getting to the games, getting

805
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: on the train, coming back from the games, all that ship,

806
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: you know like that. And then when I started acting,

807
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: that mentality is what I took into auditioning because it

808
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: was to me, it was like a fight. It still

809
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: is a fight when you have to audition for you know, like,

810
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: funk this ship. Like it was like, yo, funck this dude,

811
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: fun this dude, Like I'm going to you know, that

812
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: was my mentality. But that that New York ship was

813
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: just dope and and and being around you know, the

814
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: ship that I was around, and you know, the good,

815
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: the bad, and the ugly of it was just so

816
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: informative when I look back and it's who I am.

817
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: It's who I am, you know, and and you know,

818
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: like so much of the ship that you know it's

819
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: going on this year, and I'm sure it's been going on.

820
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: You know, when people talking about you know, you know,

821
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: like this this white privilege and black I'm like you

822
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: just like when when people sometimes when white people or

823
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: non black people talk about black people, they talk about

824
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: it like it's a different like it's like it's like

825
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm like, yo, just if you don't

826
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: grow if you didn't grow up around different kinds of people,

827
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: that's that's on you. But don't talk to motherfucker's like

828
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: they're like you're doing some sort of charity you haven't lived,

829
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: but but don't like it's not like an assignment, like

830
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna meet some people

831
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: of color, Like what the fund are you talking about?

832
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like you're not going up to people and

833
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: just how how you doing? I want to I need

834
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: some black friends in my life. That's so crazy. It

835
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: doesn't work like that, and it's it's not everybody's experiences

836
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: my experience, and it doesn't make me more righteous or

837
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: not righteous. But when you talk about the experience of

838
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: New York in the seventies and particularly the eighties, that

839
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: was a blessing that I had was to be around

840
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: that ship. And like I said, the good, the bad

841
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: and ugly, the foul ship, the violence, and and just

842
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: the the general ship talk because we talk about the

843
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: ship talking and then snapping. The thick skin comes from

844
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: because after playing ball, Like I wasn't the best playing ball,

845
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: but I was the best of talking ship. Get your

846
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: earlier on fighting. Yeah, I never got my ass for

847
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: talking ship. I wasn't much. You know when I when

848
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: I started going in the hood, I was, I was,

849
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: I I was I yeah first, you know, talk talk later.

850
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: I mean like I like I knew that, but but

851
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: as far as you know, talking ship, you know, people

852
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: get offended by like the ship talking in the snap.

853
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 1: And I'm like, when you when you're in the hood,

854
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: there's either like you're either nice with your hands and

855
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: no one's funk with him. You're either good at ball,

856
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: you could rhyme, you're a straight dude, you're like like

857
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: meaning like you're like a nerd, or you're a criminal.

858
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: I was the ship talker because I wasn't the best fighter.

859
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't the best ballplayer, but like I was the

860
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: funny dude, so I wouldn't you know. That was my

861
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: stuper from people keep people at Bay, you know, you know,

862
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: so that was that was my ship. What about you

863
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: know you got a chance being in the Mecca in

864
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: the eighties, uh, you know, from Bernard King to Patrick

865
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: Ewing to Magic and Larry Jordan's who are some of

866
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: your most memorable games? You got a chance to see

867
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: in person at a young age, Doc in the Garden

868
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: in eight one, my father got me tickets for the

869
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: for my birthday. Uh And and this is when no

870
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: one gave a ship about the garden. This is basketball

871
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: so different. You could sneak down. Especially I was a kid,

872
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: and I remember watching Doc with with the with the

873
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: knee braces and he had the extra high converse they

874
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: were like custom made and and and I saw the

875
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: Doctor j like in scripture on his ship which I

876
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: was bugging and watching Doc warm up on the on

877
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 1: the layup line. I was that was I'll never forget

878
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: that ship. And you know, I remember he had the

879
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: old fucking geriatric kneepads and it was Doc, you know,

880
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: like Doc was and everything to me like he was.

881
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: There was no Bruce Lee, there was no batman like

882
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: Dr Jay. Seeing him in person like I was like,

883
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: oh shit, and seeing him. I remember I saw Mike

884
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: at the Garden his rookie year and we snuck down.

885
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: Also we somehow got on the press thing. You know,

886
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: we were kids like for like like the fourth quarter

887
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: and watching George. George Gurby was honest in George's but

888
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: George was like, oh, oh shit, like wal Mike was

889
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: playing and I was so close I could hear and

890
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: go oh, like, you know, George's talking ship and and

891
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: seeing that, and then of course the nineties next games.

892
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: I was never at any of those great games for

893
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: some reason. I would always miss them. But those experiences

894
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: as a kid, like Doc and seeing Mike and one

895
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: time and one time I saw a pisto. This was weird.

896
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: I don't even know how this happened. But I saw

897
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: Isaiah because Isaiah was my fucking dude. Also Isaiah Magic,

898
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: uh when those those are my guys. But I saw

899
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: Isaiah in a preseason game playing the Milwaukee Bucks. For

900
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: some reason, this preseason game and I ran into There

901
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: was a place around the corner called the Fund is

902
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: the name of it. Our It was a steak place.

903
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: It'll come to me, but I I went in there

904
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: to take a piss or something like that. And we're twelve, like,

905
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: you know, we're in the streets, fucking twelve, thirteen years

906
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: old at the garden, like my father. It's not like now,

907
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: we bring your kids and we would take a bus

908
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: down here and train down here walk. I don't know

909
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: how the funk we got to the garden. I have

910
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: no fucking clue, but I remember I bumped into Isaiah

911
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: Thomas in his prime when he had the funked up

912
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: from and he had some hardass shoes on. They were

913
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: like white, you know, some Chicago Detroit ship. But I

914
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: remember just you know, like oh, you know, like oh ship,

915
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, like and I met Isaiah. Yeah, I had

916
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,959
Speaker 1: his poster on my fucking wall. That poster was making

917
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: the lamp and ship like that. But I just loved

918
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: it so much, man, I loved I loved it so

919
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 1: fucking much. And it was just you know, it never

920
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, throughout like getting kicked out of school. I

921
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: was a fucked up student. But like have you even

922
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: I didn't come close to making it to the NBA,

923
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: Like having that goal was something that was good, you know,

924
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 1: like at least I thought I was gonna do something

925
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: so realizing that that wasn't gonna happen. Um, when did

926
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: you transition? When did you catch the acting bug? When

927
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: I was like seventeen eighteen and like I was not

928
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: doing good in school and kicked out of school public

929
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: school just for being like like I wasn't a tough guy.

930
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: There was no fires being started. I was just imagine me,

931
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: you couldn't tell me shit, you know, like the whole

932
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: I was the only one. I was all literally the

933
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: only white kid in my school in Razamshull High School

934
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: that I went to Martin Luther King High School. Like

935
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: it was like, like you couldn't tell me shit. I

936
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: was like, fuck this, fuck everybody, you know. I didn't

937
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: raise my hand to goes I would in. The schools

938
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: were terrible a Razmas Hall High School, the school I

939
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: went to in Brooklyn was a fucking like the public

940
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: school system in New York is a fun It's way

941
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: better now, but it was a fucking joke. I remember

942
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: being in an English class and there were a lot

943
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: of Haitians, Jamaicans, um and and and uh you know,

944
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: Spanish kids in the class that couldn't speak no English.

945
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: But I remember looking around counting It was like forty

946
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: something kids in the class, which is fucking crazy, and

947
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: twenty two of them didn't speak any English. And I

948
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 1: was like, what the fund is? Like, what the funk?

949
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: You know? It doesn't pick my ship up? And walked

950
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 1: out because I was like, what the fund is going?

951
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: I don't want to be here anyway, Like what kind

952
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: of English this teachers? Terrified people are getting their face

953
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: sliced by razors and ship like that, yeah, I mean,

954
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: And I was always looked after like people that oh

955
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: you was. I was looked after like I was white, Mike,

956
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: you know you like nobody that fun with me. I

957
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: could play ball, I could talk ship. I wasn't a threat,

958
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean At the end of the day,

959
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: I knew what the funk with it, who not to

960
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: funk with? But you know, like I wasn't a sucker.

961
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 1: I asked the motherfucker anyway. But when I was seventeen,

962
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen, like I started thinking like I want to

963
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: I wanna um, you know, like I want to like

964
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: because I loved I loved Dadi m Raphy, I loved comedy,

965
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: I loved acting, But I never thought I wanted to

966
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: be the characters in the movies, like I wanted to

967
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: be Rocky, I wanted to be John Travolta and Saturday Night.

968
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do what they did. I wanted

969
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: to actually be that person. And I loved Eddie Murphy.

970
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: Like I would walk around with a red leather jacket.

971
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 1: I was nuts to leave my house with a white

972
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: leather jacket and no shirt on. He like he was

973
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: just like, get the funk out, like I was bugging,

974
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: you know, like I would never let myself walk around

975
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: with a fucking leather jacket no shirt and leave the

976
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: house and go on the bus in the train. But

977
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: then I started thinking, you know, like about doing it.

978
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: And I had a like an eye opening incident. When

979
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: um in eighty nine, I was nineteen, I was not

980
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: doing ship. I had to stay at extra six months

981
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: in school to graduate. I was with my friends. I

982
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: had went to this school and uh a long island

983
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: called Old Westbury, sooner Old Westbury. I was with my friends.

984
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: One of them who's passed h one of them who

985
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: just got out of jail for thirty fucking years, and

986
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: one of them was stolen jail. They were my man,

987
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: boob bet, they were they were. They were rough. They

988
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: were rough, and they came up to my college and

989
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, don't don't do ship, don't start

990
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: no ship, don't funk with nobody, no, you know, because

991
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,959
Speaker 1: they were like quick, quick, quick trip, quick trip, don't

992
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: have no nothing. Please please just funk with the girls

993
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: and let's get the funk out of here. They came

994
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: up to the school and I don't even know how

995
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: it started, but it was literally over some what are

996
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: you looking at? Ship? And the next thing, you know,

997
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: like I just they were like, yeah, we're going outside,

998
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh funk, I should go outside

999
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: of outside, and my man boob Bear had just gotten shot.

1000
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: He had staples in his body. Going outside. So we

1001
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: go outside and three other dudes they wanted to fight them,

1002
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: so outside. So we get outside and somehow they got

1003
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: outside first and these motherfuckers started throwing rocks. It was

1004
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: at a parking lot. They started throwing rocks, and me

1005
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: and this one dude, I don't have any like like

1006
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm not like a good enough fighter to just fight

1007
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: this guy to be some sort of like you're trying

1008
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: to hurt me, trying to funk with my bitch, something

1009
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: like that like, we're just I'm just fighting. I'm tied

1010
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: up with this fucking dude, and these dudes are throwing rocks.

1011
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: My man's got staples in his legs. One of them's

1012
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: got a bottle. I'm like, what I haven't. I'm a

1013
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: white Jewish kid from the Operatide, like the white privilege

1014
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: came out of me. I'm like, what the fuck is

1015
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: going on? So then this dudeter tied up. I see

1016
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 1: a guy coming this way running and throw Rocky hits

1017
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: me with a rock boom in my face. So I

1018
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: had this scar here, you see it. So I could

1019
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: feel blood running down my face. I'm like, oh, Ship,

1020
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: So I get this dude who I'm tied up with

1021
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: as my face is, but I throw him on top

1022
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: of a car. I'm hitting him, hitting him, and somehow

1023
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: another my arms got, my weight was on top of him.

1024
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: His head is next to my head. This motherfucker bit

1025
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: my fucking ear. He bit my fucking ear. Fight that

1026
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: was some while, and I said to him, you're biting

1027
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: my fucking ear, Like, Yo, that's some sucker, Ship, You're

1028
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: biting ears, Like what the fund is you're doing? You're

1029
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: biting my fucking ear, and I got up off him

1030
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: and like, I could feel blood coming in your blood

1031
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: coming here. I couldn't feel my ear. But at this

1032
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: point I was like, I'm gonna be a stand up comedian.

1033
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: But then I thought to myself, how could you be?

1034
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: I literally thought to myself, how could you be a

1035
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: stand up comedian with one fucking ear? So we get

1036
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: in the car. They're like, yo, these dudes are rough dudes.

1037
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, yo, my ear, my ear, My man

1038
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: had just gotten shot. They're laughing there, fucking asses off.

1039
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: I go to the hospital. They dropped me off. We're

1040
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: in the rent a car. They wanted whatever the funk,

1041
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: And I've been in the hospital for twenty I called

1042
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: my father next morning. I tell him what happened, and

1043
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: he because I had gotten in a few little instants,

1044
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: he said to me, I'm afraid the next time you

1045
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: call me, they're gonna tell me there's a bullet in you.

1046
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: And I was like I'm done. Like I was like,

1047
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: I have to I'm done it. I'm done. Like I'm finished.

1048
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm walking around fucking like half a year scar think.

1049
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: And then I was like, I'm gonna go to l

1050
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: A and make you know, be a stand ud, be

1051
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: a stand up comedian and become an actor. And I

1052
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: started doing that and then you know, I just you know,

1053
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: I was doing my ship and you know it was lucky, lucky.

1054
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: I had a lot of attitude, uh and just luck

1055
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: confidence because it come out here and on the on

1056
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: the dream and a wish and makes you happen. Yeah,

1057
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: you had you had to be focused and confident is

1058
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: confident confident And then when I started doing stand up,

1059
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: they would call me and for auditions. And then when

1060
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: I found when I when I auditioned, the first time

1061
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: I ever auditioned, it was like to play a white

1062
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: kid in New York who grew up around you know,

1063
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: playing ball, grew up around black kids. And I remember

1064
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: looking at the sides and probably the way sports comes

1065
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: to you guys, where you're totally relaxed. I was like

1066
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: a fishing through a fish in the water. Like I

1067
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: was like, there was no inks, there was no nerves,

1068
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: there was no am I gonna make the shot? Like

1069
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: it was like this. It just like was like when

1070
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: you like it just made sense and that was like

1071
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing. I'm act, I'm gonna act.

1072
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: And then I just got lucky. You know, it was

1073
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: just lucky timing and and and the right parts and tenacity,

1074
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: the tenacity to do it. I mean you came to

1075
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: l A, you know, looking to me, and that's what

1076
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: everyone comes to l A for it, you know, and

1077
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: for you to do it. What were some of the

1078
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: ups and downs, and and and and roadblocks you hit

1079
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: early on your Carency you really felt like, Okay, I

1080
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: made it. I mean I still don't feel like I

1081
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: made it, to be honest with you. You know, as

1082
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: as far as like being an actor, specifically an actor,

1083
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: because now there's different forms and you know, I'm back

1084
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: doing comedy and I'm podcasting, but like as far as

1085
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: being an actor, you know, there's a few elite elite

1086
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: the Brad Pitt, the Denzel, the Leonardo Dicaprios, where it's

1087
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: like they pick and choose what they want when they

1088
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: want to do what they have a schedule plan out

1089
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: for the next few years. For me, like, I know,

1090
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm always gonna work as an actor, but you always

1091
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: feel like I'm getting ready to start shooting this show,

1092
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: uh in January. After the show as of right now

1093
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: probably will be finished in March. It usually works out

1094
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: by by the march, I'll have a next my next

1095
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: job as an actor. But I'm not and that's not

1096
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: a good feeling, you know. And I know she will

1097
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: come because you know, like I believe in my ship.

1098
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: But but but like as an actor, the majority of

1099
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: us are that, like, you don't know when your next

1100
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: job is gonna come realistically, you do know. When I

1101
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: was younger, I would be like, yea, what the funk

1102
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: am I gonna Do'm gonna go broke? Yeah, I'm not

1103
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: what the funk? You know, And now because there's other ship,

1104
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: you get more comfortable. But the life of an actor,

1105
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: like you know, it's vulnerable because as many you know,

1106
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: chances that you get there's like once a week at

1107
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: this point during COVID there ship you might want, they're like, yeo,

1108
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: they win another way, Like all right, I don't take

1109
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: it personal. When I was younger, you take a person,

1110
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: it's like getting rejected by a chick, you know. But

1111
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: now you just keep you keep it moving and the

1112
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: business of it. It's like, you know, most of the

1113
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: time it has nothing to do with you, you know,

1114
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: with with with getting parts and not getting Part two,

1115
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: part question right here, your most memorable or favorite TV role.

1116
00:54:55,360 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: The most memorable TV role, I mean, shit, who fun knows.

1117
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: I mean there's been so many. It's like, if you know,

1118
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 1: for you guys, you might have played on a bullshit

1119
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 1: team and a whack team that sucked, you might have

1120
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: had fun doing it. So I've done some ship where

1121
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: I've had fun, you know, and it's a the end

1122
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: product is whack, but like we had a good time

1123
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: when we're doing the ship. But I would say, yeah,

1124
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: that was dope. The paper Soldiers are dope because of

1125
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: Dame Dash. I knew my whole life grew up playing

1126
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: sports with Dame. Dame wasn't ship. I'll tell him that

1127
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: to his face. And you know, I literally knowing each

1128
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: other since we're like always talk a lot of ship.

1129
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: He asked me to do that, and I was like cool.

1130
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: And the funny thing about paper Soldiers, this little motherfucker

1131
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: with his hat come backwards comes up to me talking.

1132
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: You know, man, my name is Kevin Hard is the

1133
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 1: first thing I do is if my first day working

1134
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: on the film said I was like, all right, cool, cool,

1135
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: good luck, And that was one of my movies that

1136
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: was fun doing that. Um, but you know it was

1137
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: dope doing that because of the Dame and the rock

1138
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: a Fella and the whole you know, and like it

1139
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: was so much excitement. Never would have known, but he

1140
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, it's my first day working on the

1141
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: movie and ship. He has fucking half backwards and I

1142
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: was like, cool man, you know, just chill out. But

1143
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to say, you know, you know,

1144
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: like what it could be whatever. I mean, this show

1145
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: that I'm doing now is fun. Friends was fun, prison

1146
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: Break was fun, you know, and and and that show

1147
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: I hated doing that. People love that motherfucking show. I

1148
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: watched a couple of times. But but you know, it's

1149
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: the same thing, like you know, people, what people like,

1150
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: and the time you had might not have been dope.

1151
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 1: I might have had a fucking ball and paper soldiers.

1152
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: Some people like, you know, I didn't see that ship.

1153
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: You know. Some people stopped me about Friends, like it's

1154
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: like our Brady Bunch. Motherfucker's ten years old. You're a

1155
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: guy from Friends that they watched that ship like um,

1156
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: and then movies it's it's you know, Copland was dope

1157
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: because to work with stallone and and too you know,

1158
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: like when I had you guys both in my podcast

1159
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 1: and I was like, Yo, the first time you guarded Kobe,

1160
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: you know you're like, I mean, you guys were contemporaries

1161
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: with where when you when you're actually out there with

1162
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: Mike or somebody that's not your boy. When I'm acting

1163
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: with Denier. That's why I'm so fascinated with that, Like

1164
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: because it's athletes when you're like you gotta physically go

1165
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: after somebody that you adore, that inspired you to get

1166
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: where you get at. It's different with acting because you're

1167
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: not competing. But like when I'm out there on the

1168
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: set and I remember the first day of that movie

1169
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: Complain and de Niro's right there and Stallone is right

1170
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: there like you know, like you're like, I'm I'm professional,

1171
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: but inside I'm like, yo, this is this is fucking

1172
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: bugged up. Like we're shooting in Manhattan, where I'm from,

1173
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is fucking crazy. You know, I'm

1174
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: looking at de Niro, he got the mole on his

1175
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: face and Stallone's mouth is drooping. I'm like, Yo, this

1176
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: is you have to really be focused when you do

1177
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: it because she's like, you know, I'm going back in

1178
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: the Trump called my Dad. I'm like, yo, I'm out

1179
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: here with these fucking guys, like I just did this

1180
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: scene with Robert de Niro. UM. So that was dope.

1181
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: Higher Learning was dope. One of my favorite movies. Crazy Cast,

1182
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: So much fun, Crazy Cast, so much Funah, Regina King,

1183
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: Omar Apps, Um, John Singleton the make Grains because it

1184
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: was like going to work with John Singleton. He was

1185
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: John Singleton was was so encouraging of of of everybody

1186
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: on the set, like he made you feel like, you know,

1187
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: you were the most important part of the puzzle. And

1188
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: when we were doing Higher Learning, you know, you know,

1189
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: the first day that I shot was the day that

1190
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: I pulled a gun on Omar Apps. Oh no, I

1191
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: breaked the I had. It was some skinhead ship and

1192
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm a fucking skinner and I know I'm like, these

1193
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: motherfucker's are probably looking at me like this fucking guy

1194
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: to hang out smoke with these dudes, busting runs and

1195
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: all them like you know, they're doing their little actors ship.

1196
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: They don't know me, I don't know them, Like all right,

1197
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: fuck them. You know. It's a predominantly black set, which

1198
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: John was really big on that first He got that

1199
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: from Spike because majority sets, especially at that time, it's white.

1200
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: John had black people doing ship. You just weren't used

1201
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: to seeing black people doing on the set. And we

1202
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: we did it take and I'm like, fuck you and

1203
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: we're this fuck you and we're dead and you know

1204
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: doing it. I'm riffing that's not in the script of

1205
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: people like what the feast is not in the script

1206
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: and just saying wild ship because I'm and and and

1207
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: he goes cut and it's like you can't hear a word,

1208
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: and then John's like, hell, yeah, fuck you, Mike. He

1209
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: just confidence. He made me feel like, gave me my confidence,

1210
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: but also like do that ship. Don't worry about what

1211
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: the people like, you know, I don't give Yeah, like

1212
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: we're we're doing that. We gotta go in. But I

1213
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: just remember that cut and then that and he was

1214
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: just like that. But that was you know, we were young.

1215
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: You know, I had just seen Omar and Juice. You know,

1216
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: Tupac was supposed to play the reps character. Leonardo DiCaprio

1217
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: was going to play my character. I was going to

1218
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: play the other skinhead. Yeah, and and it was just

1219
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: and Cube, you know who. You know, I still bug

1220
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: out that I met the Big Three with c because

1221
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: as a kid, I'm like, that's fucking like I never

1222
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: there's always a part of me that a little bit

1223
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: I never like take it for granted, Like you know,

1224
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: I never try to become too familiar with people are

1225
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: up there ship. But like you know, when I had

1226
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: to audition, John make me made me audition with Cube

1227
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: because they didn't have the part cast the Omar Reps

1228
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: part because the Tupac because he had gotten arrested and

1229
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: they couldn't fund the movie. He said, you need to

1230
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: come to Sony and you need to do that ship

1231
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: with ice Cube and we're this, and we're then this

1232
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: is Cube with the fucking teeth And I don't know

1233
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: this because he is a nice guy, but he's like,

1234
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: you need to do all that ship with him. And

1235
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 1: I go down there and I'm like, fuck you funk

1236
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: this fund this? And then he cast me. But when

1237
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: we were doing that movie Bust, these dudes had like

1238
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: they're smoking trailers Bust the Omar Regina. They went to

1239
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: let me funk with it until like halfway through that

1240
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: they let me funk with it. But you know, like

1241
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: the Skinhead trailer was whack you know what I mean,

1242
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: Like I was cooling. I was skin that trailer with Ship.

1243
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to hang out, you know. You know Omar

1244
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: Reps had an early copy of Illmatic. The nas tam

1245
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: that ship. I'm like, what you know, outside his trailer

1246
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: and she's trying to get in there. And Regina king O,

1247
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: who I fucking loved. I've always loved her, and it

1248
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: was just a dope time. But when you know, when

1249
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: you're that young and you're it's so exciting. And John

1250
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: had just done Poetic Justice, he had done Boys in

1251
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: the Hood, and and You're just like, this is the

1252
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: dream and I'm playing a skinhead like I like, I

1253
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: like people like it was fun. I was like that

1254
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: ship was fucking fun because it wasn't that's the dream,

1255
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, like you want to be an actor like that? Yes,

1256
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: And I'm cool hopping out of it and after but

1257
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: bust the rhymes and then we're like, what the fun

1258
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: would you like that scene? Right? I'm like, yo, yo,

1259
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: when you made that record, we tried, like you know,

1260
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: they were like, what the fund is up with this? Too?

1261
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: And Q was quiet to begin with, so I'm trying

1262
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: to start conversation right after I'm like, fuck you man,

1263
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: fuck you and all this show like so yeah, when

1264
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: you made uh that record, He's just like, I'm not

1265
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: He's quiet anyway. So it was it was fun doing that.

1266
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: That's what many prison Break with my ship, though I

1267
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: never got into. I saw a couple of because the

1268
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: girl I was messing with like prison Break, but I

1269
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: never got into the story was that when you were

1270
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: in the league because a lot of ballplayers, because that

1271
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: was early on in your ear late nineties, early two

1272
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: thousand's prison break, No, no, no, a little later, like

1273
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: a little later, but I remember lot of ballplayers like, yeah,

1274
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: I watch this ship when him on the road. What

1275
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: made you having success in front of the camera? Want

1276
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: to go behind the camera, I'm ready to whenever you

1277
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: get behind, I'm ready to talk about that later. I'm ready.

1278
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: We could do it. I know you could act the

1279
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: Tribe documentary. I was such a fan of them and

1280
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: like you know, growing up hip hop, like those dudes

1281
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,439
Speaker 1: were so amongst everybody, you know, Big Daddy Kane, Gang Star,

1282
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,439
Speaker 1: Eric b Rock Camp, Krs One Beasts all that ship

1283
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: was just such a fucking part of my fucking life

1284
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: like that, you know, those times and hearing the music

1285
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: on the radio, and there was no fucking you know,

1286
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: you could rewind it like you heard it when you

1287
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: heard it, and if you you caught, and then those

1288
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: memories were etched in your fucking head. And Tribe was

1289
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: one of my favorite groups. And when they broke up,

1290
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: I remember I flew to New York to watch their

1291
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: last show and um, I was like, somebody got to

1292
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: do a documentary about Trial Question. And then um, a

1293
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: few years later they started worring again and I said

1294
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: the tip because I've known him from for a long time,

1295
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: que two yo, I want to do a documentary about

1296
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: Tropical Question. He was like, do it, do it? And

1297
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, all right, and then we're

1298
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday, I said. He I had that conversation

1299
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: with him Saturday we started doing the motherfucker, and three

1300
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: years later we made the movie. But I just love

1301
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: doing it like I love doing it. I love the storytelling,

1302
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: I love the dynamic, even though it was dysfunctional, the

1303
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: between those guys, the late grade fife, you know, and

1304
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: and and everything that came along with it. And I'm

1305
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: just so even though we did we had, we got

1306
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: into it making the fucking movie. Me and Q Tip.

1307
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: We we got fucking into it. I'm glad we got

1308
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: it done because he passed away. And uh but but

1309
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: I love doing it. I love doing the when when

1310
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: the Garden was eating thet I love that ship like

1311
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: I was a fucking kid in the candy started doing

1312
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: that ship. You know, I got to go down to uh,

1313
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, down south and interview Willis Reid. I'm in

1314
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: his crabby got on his hunting ship. I'm like, what

1315
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: the fund is? This is crazy? You know, Marval ba

1316
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: what I'm interviewing Marvel? Who is it? Nick? He's another

1317
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: reason why fucking Dolan is a piece of ship. Dolan

1318
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: is a piece of ship. How could you fire more

1319
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: about he was a boy, he was a ball boy

1320
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: for the Knicks when he was a kid at the

1321
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: old ship Hole Garden. And he made a constructive criticism

1322
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: and Dolan fired him. When I found that out, I

1323
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: was like, you're fucked up. It's not like he said

1324
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: some crazy ship like me. He just made a constructive criticism.

1325
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: You fire the fucking Marv Albert. That's another turning point

1326
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: where I was like, fuck Doland Dolan, Who I mean?

1327
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: You got to interview some some legendary people for that.

1328
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: The most bugged out one Jerry West. Because Jerry West. Yo.

1329
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: But let me tell you something, I swear to God,

1330
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: like I went to go get him from the practice facility.

1331
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: We were like connected to the hotel and I'm like, okay,

1332
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: Jerry West, okay, cool. And as we're walking on and

1333
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 1: this is when Kobe just had the Achilles injury and

1334
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: I was like, you think Kobe's gonna be all right?

1335
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm not talking about Kobe. I was like,

1336
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm just we're not We're not even in the cameras.

1337
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, he goes, I'm not talking

1338
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: about Kobe Bryant, not talking about Kobe, just here to

1339
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: talk about the Knicks and Lakers. I was like, Oh,

1340
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,959
Speaker 1: this is gonna be fun. So when I started talking

1341
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: to Jerry West about the losing to the Knicks, this

1342
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: fucking guy started tearing up. This is forty years later,

1343
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: like he got like it was like he had post

1344
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: traumatic stress disorder or something like. When he started talking

1345
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: about them losing to at the Garden and the you know,

1346
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: I brought it to earlier when they lost to them,

1347
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: when they lost to the Celtics, and they had the

1348
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: fucking balloons up there. My man was like having flashbacks

1349
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: on me and ship like that to the point it's

1350
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: like are we done? You know, I'm like this Jerry

1351
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: West and he's like, are we done? I'm like, yeah, yeah, yea,

1352
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: where we're done? He just that ship bugged me out.

1353
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: Jerry West told me some ship. And I know you

1354
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: guys know him differently, but but he told me some ship.

1355
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: I was man before the pandemic hit. I had these

1356
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: this ship that I took up to the Clippers facility

1357
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: and stay for a little bit and we started talking

1358
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: to Jerry West and the ship he told me. I

1359
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: don't even know how we got on and bro, but

1360
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: the ship he told me about the early eighties teams

1361
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: he was coaching with the Lakers and the ship that

1362
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 1: went down. I was my fucking jaw dropped and I

1363
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: couldn't believe he was just telling me like it was

1364
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: nothing like nothing like we can't even talk about it

1365
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: on here. It was so you can't talk about right.

1366
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: It was so ill. I'm like, what it's like, this

1367
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 1: is all this has happening while you're the coach and

1368
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: these are your this is I'll tell you what, the

1369
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: brother ship blew me away because I wanted him to

1370
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: come on the podcast, but how freely he told me

1371
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: this show, Like, no, I don't want him to kind

1372
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 1: of spill some ship that might some people people if

1373
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: you're a certain age of like Mike should be the logo,

1374
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: and of course Mike's but was the motherfucker motherfucker was coming.

1375
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: We went back, I think the words that brought us

1376
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: back for something. And I was walking through the hallway

1377
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: after the game and I didn't even see him, but

1378
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: I see a crowd, so I'm just kind of move

1379
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: to the right, and he grabbed me. Hey, motherfucker. I

1380
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: loved you as a player. My first time to meet

1381
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: Jerry West, he pulls me, hey, motherfucker, and so you know,

1382
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: so you know what that meant to me. I'm like, oh, ships, yeah,

1383
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that that's my only

1384
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: experience to me. And he's big, he's big, big, and

1385
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: I never saw him play live, but like he got

1386
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: the swag of a ballplayer. He died. I don't think

1387
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: he like how you walking talking? Yeah, he's I mean,

1388
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 1: fucking Jerry West. You know you look at he was

1389
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: busting motherfucker's asses and ship like that. That that was

1390
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: cool doing that. And then you know, when I was

1391
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: doing the Try movie all the hip hop dudes, it's

1392
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: just like what I'm interviewing you guys for the ship,

1393
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: Like I'm like salivating, you know, and I'm they're like

1394
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: walking me through. So that's how we all we have

1395
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: a guys like you were learning about our guests as well.

1396
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: We learned, were learned stuff that we've never known, you

1397
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So and we also a fan

1398
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: of you, right, so you know what I'm saying, I

1399
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: love that ship, like I fucking love that ship. And

1400
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: and you know, like I just so when when you're

1401
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 1: doing docs, I mean, it's similar to a podcast in

1402
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: a way. Obviously it's a little bit more there's more ship.

1403
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,560
Speaker 1: But like when you're getting those gems and you know,

1404
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: when you guys are interviewing so and so and you're

1405
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: getting those little this is gonna be. That's gonna be

1406
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: on Instagram. This is gonna be when when we hear

1407
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: say that was gold. We know the nineties and two

1408
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: thousand's style of play and energy around the NBA compared

1409
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: to now. Listen, things gotta change. Things gotta grow. Things evolved,

1410
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, but I think the defenders are at such

1411
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: the mercy of the people with the ball. And the

1412
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: reason why you're seeing motherfucker's defending guys falling down on

1413
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: a regular basis is because they literally have nothing to

1414
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 1: hold on to. It's like ice skating. You didn't see

1415
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: Tim harrowing. I mean a K Sally you'd see this,

1416
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 1: but these dudes were stupid with it. But you could

1417
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:07,560
Speaker 1: hang on to something, you know, the no contact the

1418
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:12,759
Speaker 1: lack of contact um and and I love the steph

1419
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: and I love the threes, but but there's I don't

1420
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: know what the answers. There's gotta be a middle ground

1421
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: offensive game. Now. It's just fucking sometimes and like I

1422
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: love the Warriors, but sometimes I'm like, or all these

1423
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 1: other teams, like the Houston, like just you mean, you're

1424
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: shooting threes up the fucking every fucking and from fucking

1425
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 1: twenty ft behind, Like it's cool. Sometimes I'm like, what

1426
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 1: the fund is this ship? And you know, these guys

1427
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:40,799
Speaker 1: get to the basket so freely all the time, whenever

1428
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: they want, and they're all great. And of course James

1429
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: Harden would play back in the days and all these

1430
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 1: dudes who play. But you know, but Shaq with motherfucker.

1431
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: I remember playing with Shaq and if a guard was

1432
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: ever killings like let him come to the paint like

1433
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: Shaq with lay something, Shock with l James out Shack

1434
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: with Steff Shoate like that. Yeah, like that kind of stuff,

1435
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: Like it was just known because it was a more

1436
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: physical game. So if someone's rocking, let him get by you.

1437
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: I got him, you know what I mean, And then

1438
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 1: you'll think twice about coming to the paint next time.

1439
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: But it's the way different now. It's it's it's different

1440
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: and and and you know, like I said, it's good,

1441
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: it's change is good. But and I'm not diminishing anything

1442
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:21,560
Speaker 1: because these guys are stupid, but but I just feel like,

1443
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, there's gotta be some something something the defender

1444
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: can do. And and uh, you know, seeing these just

1445
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 1: the launching of the threes and Joel Ebad, I'm like

1446
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 1: maybe I don't understand, Like I just feel like if

1447
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 1: he just committed to being down there, nobody could guard this.

1448
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: When used to shoot threes, it was cute. It's the

1449
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: same thing, right, you know what I mean, Like, oh,

1450
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 1: he should get your fucking ask down here and get

1451
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: thirty and twenty a game like or because at this point,

1452
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: like yo, you and your man uh the new captain

1453
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 1: light skin Ben Simmons down there, like yo, you guys

1454
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: are your career is being defined. You motherfucker's are not

1455
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 1: winners not. I don't know. If you don't like each other,

1456
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: you up to each other's girls. I don't know what

1457
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: it is. But to be that good, you're gonna look

1458
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: back and be like I had an opportunity to play

1459
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: with him, play with him? What is this ship? Most

1460
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: of the time, when you have a point guard that

1461
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 1: that can't hit a spot up three and your big

1462
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: man demands double teams, it's gonna be it's gonna be

1463
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: hard to win. If you had guards with Tim Duggan

1464
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 1: David Robson, they couldn't shoot, you can just double them.

1465
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: So some kind of way. Either Ben has to work

1466
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: on the shodow. They gotta switch that up because he's

1467
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 1: and beat his too dominant to paint to not have

1468
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: a guard who they can just sit in the paint

1469
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: on him and the right JJ Reddy was the worst

1470
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 1: thing that they let let go. All their shooters. They

1471
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: had ilios over. They had a handful of shooters they

1472
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 1: let go, and that was their fault, and they made

1473
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 1: it tougher on being and tougher on on on Vangil world.

1474
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 1: But how much fun could you talk about the eighties

1475
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: and nineties? How much fun did because we were in

1476
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:52,719
Speaker 1: the fucking throws of it? Did you guys have watching

1477
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 1: the last dance? I was dying. It was like a

1478
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: behind the scenes like not to controp that that was

1479
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 1: Instagram for us because now either so much access to

1480
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: everyone's life, lebron ship and see none of that from

1481
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: Mike none. You saw Mike the player, that Mike the owner,

1482
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: and then Mike the shoe salesman, and see nothing in between.

1483
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: I was bugging off of that ship. I cried, I

1484
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: got chills. It took me I had I was emotional

1485
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: rollercoaster on that ship. I loved it, and it brought

1486
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: back feelings because I've tried to bury the feelings you're

1487
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 1: talking about going to the Knicks. And I acknowledged him

1488
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 1: to his face. I told Reggie Miller after he retired,

1489
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: I saw that motherfucker in a sushi restaurant because I

1490
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: used to talk ship did and and not like Spike,

1491
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: but I would, I would talk shipped to that fucking guy.

1492
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: And he said to me in a you're done, You're

1493
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 1: done talking ship. I said, I'm sucking done, man. I say, yo,

1494
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: it's respect love you. He loved it, though loved it.

1495
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 1: We made him Hall of Fame. I put you in

1496
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame regime, Spike Lee put you in

1497
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 1: the old thing, because without that, you were good. We

1498
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: took you to the next level, me and everybody in

1499
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: the fucking guarden. But when I saw that my stance

1500
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 1: and he's up there with them fucked up teeth, and

1501
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: you got money, and you've been on TV and and

1502
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: and I was having flashbacks. I was like, fuck you,

1503
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller, and I'm not gonna be nice anymore. I'm

1504
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 1: just not gonna say anything to him. I can't stand you.

1505
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 1: I never could stand you. I didn't like your fucking teeth.

1506
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: I hated the fucking pacers. You made me fucking sick.

1507
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: But I had like I was like I had. We

1508
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 1: made me relive my feelings of hate for that motherfucker.

1509
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: I hated that motherfucker's I hated Mike during because he

1510
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: fucked he sucked my team up. But but I could

1511
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: still I could still appreciate because I did love him.

1512
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: At some point. I never loved that snaggletooth motherfucker, Reggie Miller.

1513
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: Have you had him on here, he'd be good. He

1514
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 1: those two shots then against a two threes back to back.

1515
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: What were you thinking at that time? That I just

1516
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 1: I wanted I hated that. Now. I hated that motherfucker

1517
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 1: so bad. I hated that fucking guy. And then when

1518
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: they had and he and they made me turn on

1519
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: my guy Mullen, who was like my spirit, the animal,

1520
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: and that was my guy. That was that was my guy,

1521
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: Lefty Slow like that was my like mama was my dude.

1522
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: But then when he went to Indiana, I was like,

1523
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 1: I can't funk with you. Can't funk with you or

1524
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 1: the bullshit haircut? Who was your guy? Who was your

1525
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: one guy going up to playing ball? Like it was

1526
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 1: your like, that's my guy. If you have to pick one, uh,

1527
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 1: I would have to say, I think two people. You

1528
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 1: just got a piping grand hill. I looked at like that.

1529
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 1: I didn't look at Magic and Jar like like you

1530
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 1: just were like I was amazed. You love them. I understand,

1531
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: I understand. I understand, But that fucking that last dance

1532
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: put me through because I would rewatch it in between

1533
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 1: the next episode. I kept rewatching them. But that fucking

1534
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: when he was up there talking that bullshit, I was like,

1535
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: still man the video when he's when was talking ship

1536
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: in the game, he said, in the locker room the

1537
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: next day, He's sit in the locker room next day

1538
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 1: with the bat. Don't worry about it, smoking a cigar

1539
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: in the locker room. He said. Anybody could talk. Anybody

1540
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 1: could talk when you'll yeah, anybody real man. Hey, that

1541
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: was the scene for me, bro One thing that was ship,

1542
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: Cigar in the locker room, Cigar in the locker room,

1543
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: cigar in the on the airplane, Cigars in the hotel,

1544
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: uh in the hotel like he was, Cigars on the bus,

1545
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: like the Mike. What I saw was like one of

1546
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: my favorite things. Obviously getting a chance to see that,

1547
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: but seeing how competed, like seeing the Kobe ship in

1548
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 1: Mike or vice versa. You know, you know the play

1549
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 1: with Kobe. In the way Kobe approached practice. Now you

1550
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: would fight teammates sometimes man, animal everything. Ever, whenever he practiced,

1551
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 1: sometimes he was sometimes would get their earliest just get

1552
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 1: all his work and just watch practice. But the days

1553
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: he did a practice in scrimmage for all the way,

1554
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: there's no coast all the way at it. It's video.

1555
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 1: It's videos of him talking to teammates. I don't want

1556
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: to practice with y'all. Y'all up, ain't you ain't come

1557
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 1: here to work today? You know what I mean? And ship,

1558
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 1: you see, MJ was the same way he was on

1559
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: that ship and you know people, you know people, Oh

1560
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: he's a fucking ass. I'm like, yo, you think I

1561
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: mean anybody that transcended Marlon Brando, he was a notorious

1562
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: piece of ship to work with, not knowing his lines,

1563
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 1: showing up, you know, crazy James Brown, fucking shipping on

1564
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: the band. You know anybody that's that what they do,

1565
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of everybody like you, right right

1566
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: you just just just any anybody who that's trans Denzel

1567
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 1: Washington's he supposed to be a motherfucker on set, but

1568
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: look what you get. You're not gonna get that. And

1569
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure when people you know, like anybody that's that

1570
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 1: fucking sick. Of course he was a motherfucker. This isn't

1571
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 1: fucking we're not playing this then We're coming to fucking

1572
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: He's the goat for a reason, right, He's the go

1573
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 1: for a reason. He's coming to fucking bust your fucking ask.

1574
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 1: And if you don't like it, and you're too soft

1575
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 1: and you didn't get the funk up out of here,

1576
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:15,480
Speaker 1: we'll get another. You ain't ship, We'll get another motherfucker

1577
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 1: passed the ball to when I when I got triple team,

1578
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: so you could dunk it, Bill Wnnington, whoever. The people

1579
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 1: don't talk about this, Lebron has a lot of Mike

1580
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 1: in them too. As far as separation, you know what

1581
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,639
Speaker 1: I'm saying, His dedication to the game. Like people don't

1582
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: don't see the similarities of Braun and Jordan, but I

1583
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 1: see a lot in dedication to be the best, you

1584
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: know what I mean? They have They have a lot

1585
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: of similarity. How could you? I mean, he's sick. This

1586
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: guy's fucking stupid, unbelievable. Been in his prime for seventeen years.

1587
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: Never another player has been in this prime for seventeen

1588
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: He's doing dunks in seventeen years in the NBA that

1589
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: I can do it in high school this fucking year

1590
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:56,759
Speaker 1: was this bubble ship was? I mean, he's a fucking

1591
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: animal man like yo. He dominated the game defensively, offensively,

1592
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:08,520
Speaker 1: bubble not a bubble, the whole fucking I mean, he's ridiculous.

1593
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 1: And you know what if if, if they're focused and

1594
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 1: healthy next year you come in whatever fun playoffs, he's

1595
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 1: gonna be right there. If they don't win it, you're

1596
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 1: not getting that win easy. So where do you put Jordan?

1597
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: Kobe Brown? What's that for you? I don't like the

1598
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 1: skipping over Kobe, you know how just they just all

1599
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: of a sudden we felt with that. But with that said,

1600
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: I do feel like Lebron with his career still having

1601
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: to be played their stuff, he can do to jump Kobe.

1602
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: I think Michael Jordan's and it's also who we watch

1603
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: growing up. It's like, you know, the sentimentality of hearing

1604
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 1: this first song when you you know, and the Chris

1605
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: Mullen and the Larry Birds and you know, and Michael,

1606
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: even though I couldn't stand them, and even you know,

1607
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 1: the people that I hated, the Reggie Miller's. I would

1608
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 1: say this, the person who has the best career, we

1609
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 1: would say he's better or not better. But as far

1610
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: as the best career, it's not even close. To it's

1611
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: Lebron not even at this point, it's not even close

1612
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 1: to to do it for seventeen fucking years to win

1613
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: the title. There's no astric on this fucking bubble. He's

1614
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: been there in the final them every year. Because I'm

1615
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: eleven years out of seventeen seventeen, that's more impressive than well, um,

1616
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 1: than Bill Russell's. It's a different time, much different time. Listen,

1617
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 1: No disrespect, Uh, there were guys who were dentists in

1618
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 1: the offseason guarding Bill Russell, who Sell Pstram in the

1619
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:39,719
Speaker 1: fucking I mean belt, fucking Jewish guys guarding Bill Russell.

1620
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 1: No disrespect to the great Bill Russell, but in my

1621
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: opinion this is very controversy, the most overrated NBA player ever,

1622
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: No disrespect. I know you guys won't acknowledge that. I

1623
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,719
Speaker 1: know that team wasn't that then gave me a fucking

1624
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: break man, These guys eight teams? Are you kidding me?

1625
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 1: You know who would have been a champion back then?

1626
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,759
Speaker 1: Bryan Scaler Brandy would have been a four time champion,

1627
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 1: White Mama. He would have been transcendent player back then.

1628
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: He he could play. He blocked my shot in the

1629
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 1: Big broad with viral y. I think you're trying to hard.

1630
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: He has some game, Gonna lie to you. He can

1631
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:20,919
Speaker 1: play up here. He's smart. He's smartest basketball and anybody

1632
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 1: one of the one of the blessings that I've had

1633
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 1: being a big band on Big Three, going to practices,

1634
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: watching Steph and Clay workout. People that don't know and

1635
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: haven't had the privilege of there's guys that played him

1636
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: big through that I can't even name. When you watch

1637
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 1: a professional play verse uh and you're watching in real

1638
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 1: life up close, and you won't say a fucking word

1639
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: about anybody. Scal. I'll put him up against anybody watching

1640
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 1: this motherfucker right now. He's probably like, don't put me

1641
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: in this. He'll bust your fucking ass right now. I'm

1642
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 1: showing up two hours before I played the last game.

1643
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: I'm showing two hours before the first game. Men Scalt,

1644
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 1: Scott Scal. He's showing up around the time I'm getting

1645
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 1: his work into and this is the Big Three. He

1646
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: was still still taking to that series. Yeah. I mean

1647
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,639
Speaker 1: when you see professional basketball players, people like go, Matt

1648
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 1: Barnes was just to go, Okay, I got Matt Barnes

1649
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 1: bust your ass too. People don't realize that, like it

1650
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 1: could be the last man that like you're a perfessional.

1651
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 1: That's why people like the last man doesn't play. This

1652
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. You didn't start, like, do you realize like

1653
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 1: that last he averaged sixty in high school, That last man,

1654
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 1: that last man would destroy anybody if people understand. But

1655
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: you got that up close and personal personal. You put

1656
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 1: that motherfucker against me. He's Michael Jordan's I've seen Grant Green,

1657
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 1: Gary Gizz Grant, Gary Grant one time when I came

1658
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 1: out to California when I was a teenager, playing it

1659
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 1: Venice Beach killing Michael dunking like you, me and Brian Rooks.

1660
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 1: I've seen him one time randing at a beach shooting

1661
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 1: threes like people hanging on. He never shot at three.

1662
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 1: I mean this guy. Guys play their role. You guys

1663
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: know they don't know to see a professional athletes talk

1664
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 1: about what that Big Three experience was like for you.

1665
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 1: I mean you're in the locker room interviewing people, pissing

1666
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: some people off, sometimes hanging out with Jack after the game, rapping.

1667
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 1: I mean to be over there interviewing doc. I told

1668
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,600
Speaker 1: you what documented me to to to to to be

1669
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 1: in the hotel and docks in there, you know, with

1670
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:23,640
Speaker 1: with with his lady and he's drinking wine. I'm like,

1671
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm never. I'm never you know, to be in there

1672
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: chilling like you know before the games would oak with

1673
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: him with just bullshit like and and to get to

1674
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 1: also see like you know, like the personalities people with

1675
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,560
Speaker 1: their families and like that. It was it was so

1676
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: much fucking fun, you know, the interview ice and you know,

1677
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 1: like I just love it so much and have such

1678
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: a respect for the game and the the the greatness

1679
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:51,759
Speaker 1: of all the guys, guys that I name I can't remember,

1680
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 1: Like these guys are sick, and and it just it

1681
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 1: was just fun, just fun, just just a fucking ball,

1682
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 1: Like were you crazy, asked Rick Barry. You know that motherfucker? Yeah,

1683
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:04,719
Speaker 1: I mean Gary, I mean this talk about an actor? Yeah,

1684
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 1: this mother he could do with like a stand up

1685
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:14,560
Speaker 1: comedy tour. Yes, Yes, that motherfucker's funny. And you know,

1686
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: like and when when when it would get really competitive

1687
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 1: real quick, or when Gary starts talking ship like it's

1688
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 1: not like he's just you ain't ship, Like I don't

1689
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 1: remember who he was going after he went like he was, Yeah,

1690
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: he went in you trashing, You ain't nothing. He got

1691
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 1: so upset, he was at a loss for words. What

1692
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 1: was your stats? You playing? What's Gary going at it?

1693
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: He's the best, He's the best, ad the trash the best.

1694
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 1: And you know with that moment between you and Oak

1695
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 1: and I'm watching him like you know, like you know

1696
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: what I'm like and Timisland we at the bar together. Yeah,

1697
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 1: there's there's a few almost near fight situations. Yeah, they're scary, man,

1698
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: motherfucker's been a big yeah. And Big Baby there was

1699
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:09,679
Speaker 1: with Cato in them, uh, James White who was Johnes

1700
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 1: and core mcgetty, uh from he's played for Atlanta, Joosh

1701
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 1: and White. That was crazy because got hands us Yeah

1702
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and Rice came out with a chip on

1703
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 1: his shoulder like I was like, oh, I'm not going

1704
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:28,560
Speaker 1: near and seeing the video, he grabbed Josh wrist like

1705
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 1: I was trying to break it, like like he grabbed

1706
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:37,679
Speaker 1: him just like get me my own. It was dope.

1707
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 1: It was fun as ship and and it was just

1708
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 1: it was dope. I mean Big Baby, I mean talk

1709
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 1: about one of one of one, no one else like him.

1710
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's nobody pushing four on the pounds

1711
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 1: can move like that, I'm sorry, like a ballerina. Like

1712
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 1: a ballerina, yo. You never see no ship like that.

1713
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 1: You see the ship go viral. Just uniform in Atlanta.

1714
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't believe he's the best. He's

1715
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 1: so dope. He's the fucking best. And and and I'm like,

1716
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 1: does he know that it looks bugged? Or does he

1717
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: not know that because he doesn't care. He doesn't give

1718
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 1: a fee. But I was curious. I was like, does

1719
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,799
Speaker 1: he know how he has to know that this looks crazy?

1720
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 1: He's it was happening with the last minute show up.

1721
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 1: He decided to play league. They're playing in Atlanta, right sways? Uniform, yo,

1722
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 1: that talk about good feet, That motherfucker's spinner and he

1723
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 1: spinned through. You're not but in the Big three unguardable,

1724
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 1: he's a fucking I mean, who's a player. You found

1725
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:47,560
Speaker 1: kind of new respect for that You might have not

1726
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 1: have known until you got to see how close in

1727
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: the Big three? Good question? You know, man, honestly, I

1728
01:26:56,120 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 1: mean probably baby the physicale, like the the the movement,

1729
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 1: a big baby. You think he's just a fucking you know,

1730
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 1: like you know, because his personality he's crying, he's upset,

1731
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: but like watching him physically, it's one of one, like

1732
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: just it's he's probably like the one that like you'd

1733
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 1: be like you you would go to watch him just

1734
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,680
Speaker 1: to see like that ship because it looked crazy and

1735
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: to be that close to it, you could appreciate it

1736
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 1: on a different level, you know. I mean that the

1737
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: competitiveness of all the dude, like you knew Nate was

1738
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 1: ready to like you know, Nate's coming in shape and

1739
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 1: and all that ship. But baby watching baby, there was

1740
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 1: a couple of seasons where he was really like he

1741
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 1: was he was he was in shape for himself, you know,

1742
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 1: his his his in shape is different than everybody else

1743
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 1: is in shape. But when he's moving and spinning and

1744
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 1: shipped like that and shooting like yeah, that should I

1745
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 1: think he was so underrated in the NBA and and

1746
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:53,600
Speaker 1: he just went a job. He didn't say nothing. He

1747
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 1: just went to the job. He came into Big three

1748
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 1: and dominated bro. Everything that we expect him to come

1749
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 1: to do, he did it, you know what I'm saying.

1750
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 1: And it was good for him for me to see

1751
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 1: him be at the top of the league and everybody

1752
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:06,599
Speaker 1: praised him because he didn't get the praise the dessert

1753
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 1: n and and it's crazy because games, you know, it's

1754
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 1: as good as you know, when when when you guys

1755
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 1: get to the point where you're out of the NBA

1756
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 1: with your skills and you're still still so much better

1757
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 1: than the rest of the world, it's just a little bit.

1758
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 1: It's just a little bit. You're barely out the NBA,

1759
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 1: so you still got a lot of game, a lot

1760
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:28,759
Speaker 1: of game. It might be just a little bit of quickness.

1761
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it could be just politics, of course,

1762
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, there's funny people are just politics.

1763
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: That was crazy. Tried it and and that was beautiful

1764
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,680
Speaker 1: and he he was great last year, and I mean

1765
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 1: it extended his career. Doesn't get mellowed because you know,

1766
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: you're hearing trades, possible trades, and you hear that there's

1767
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: not very much interest, and you sit back, like, how

1768
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 1: not Russell Westbrook first by Hall of Famer, Like that's

1769
01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 1: the problem? Yeah, I hope. So you know what I mean,

1770
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 1: what they did to Ai, they fucked him. It's a

1771
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 1: lot of guys, yeah, I mean, they push you guys out.

1772
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of motherfucker's that they do that too,

1773
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 1: And I don't like it because you know if it's

1774
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 1: probably League and Jamal Jamal Crawford, like, you don't want this.

1775
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 1: This is a class act. He could still give you fifty.

1776
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 1: You don't want him teaching these young men how to

1777
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 1: be men. They don't have that no more, though, your

1778
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 1: nineteen year old fucking dummy who you know it's you

1779
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 1: don't want him to be around a gentleman who could

1780
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 1: bust your ass just to see a professional, That's what

1781
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I'm like, you you don't want to

1782
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 1: You're throwing him in there in Brooklyn and the bubble,

1783
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 1: get the fun, disrespectful man like, there's gotta be some

1784
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 1: sort of you know, it helps the teams. It's got

1785
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 1: to help these these players, you know who there was

1786
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 1: a couple of dudes like that when I'm like, you know,

1787
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:54,640
Speaker 1: they don't have that no more. Like when me and

1788
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 1: Jack came, there was like veteran leadership and O G

1789
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 1: sometimes and sometimes O G didn't even play. They were

1790
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 1: just there to keep ship in line. Look at yeah, exactly,

1791
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 1: give you Vince Carter, give you the ropes like they

1792
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 1: don't have that no more like it's it's younger and

1793
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 1: younger with the average ages, like what twenty two or something.

1794
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 1: The average age used to be a high with high twenties.

1795
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 1: I mean, so vets are you look at Steph curry'st

1796
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 1: one the oldest player on the Warriors. It's crazy. That's why.

1797
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 1: That's why a lot of Playerscuse me, that's why a

1798
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 1: lot of players are picking where they're going to go

1799
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 1: and play places they want to play instead of being

1800
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 1: large to these organizations because they ain't law you to you.

1801
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 1: You know, got trained is all all bets off. You

1802
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 1: can't be, you can't be you know, they're just they're

1803
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 1: just jobs. It's a place, it's a workplace. Different. But

1804
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 1: like they don't need to have Donnis on the Miami

1805
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:42,560
Speaker 1: But but when he's screaming at these dudes something he

1806
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 1: is three or five the mayor he is three or five,

1807
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 1: You can't you can't send him to no other team.

1808
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 1: He has to be that. He has to be there.

1809
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 1: But that kind of guy should be on each team. Agree,

1810
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 1: I totally agree that you need that. You know, like

1811
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: if someone he's doing whatever the funk, like a guy there,

1812
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: like they just almost like another coach. Yeah, it's not fair.

1813
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 1: I don't like when they rushed people out of the NBA.

1814
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 1: I don't like it's that business of it, disruptive behavior.

1815
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 1: What I drew you to the podcast space the most. Ship.

1816
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 1: I did your podcast twice, and that's such a good time.

1817
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 1: And that's really what sparked the idea for me and Jack.

1818
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I want to Mike's podcast. We smoked

1819
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 1: and we just talked ship and laughed the whole time.

1820
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,639
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, I love it. I got into

1821
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 1: you know, before it became like this, everybody got a

1822
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:40,640
Speaker 1: fucking podcast. It's crazy. Everybody, everybody, you know, you do

1823
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:43,720
Speaker 1: my Pockets. I'm like, do thirty episodes and then I'll yeah,

1824
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 1: like fucking my gardeners. I'm like, come on talking about

1825
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: doing But I I just love it. I love the

1826
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 1: the the freedom of it. I love the the fact

1827
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:03,200
Speaker 1: that you're not um obliged to talk or not talk

1828
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 1: about whatever you want. Um. It's it's outlet. It's fun

1829
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 1: and it's it's creative. It's fun. You know, there's no

1830
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 1: rules in it, there's no you know, you guys are

1831
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:17,639
Speaker 1: doing video, but you know you could do a podcast

1832
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 1: if we were just doing an audio anyway, you know,

1833
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 1: And and that's dope, you know, to have something where

1834
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 1: you could be like, yo, let's just spit some ship,

1835
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 1: um right. But so I love it. I love it.

1836
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 1: It's fun and it's it's it's just it's just fun.

1837
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 1: It's just fun and you get to really kind of

1838
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 1: especially through this, you know, I'll be honest, I was

1839
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 1: nervous when everything got shut down because in your head

1840
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: you're like, we're just gonna be inn House and the

1841
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:47,719
Speaker 1: rest of it. But this year, especially during those March April,

1842
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 1: May June through all the the the protesting and everything

1843
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 1: like that, for me, it was some of my best

1844
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 1: podcast because it was so much going on. Um so

1845
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 1: beat shout Out we picked it up to Yeah, I mean,

1846
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 1: and so it's it's it's a dope form. And like

1847
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 1: I said, I mean, you guys are so unique because

1848
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 1: in regards to life and sports, like your authorities, um

1849
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 1: in sports, especially obviously basketball, but in life, you know,

1850
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:22,320
Speaker 1: you guys are respected and you're also young men and like,

1851
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:23,800
Speaker 1: you know, just even a little bit that I know

1852
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 1: you guys to see you know, uh, everything that you

1853
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 1: know to to be spokes to become spokespeople. It's dope,

1854
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:35,680
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, it's it's dope. And and you know,

1855
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 1: to have this outlet where you can you know, I

1856
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 1: didn't think that when we first started doing it, and

1857
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 1: this is you know, it's just a dope. It's just

1858
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:44,559
Speaker 1: a dope form. But but everybody got the motherfucker likes

1859
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: to say, you know, we get to control our own

1860
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 1: story now, you know what I mean. I think one

1861
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 1: thing we wanted to touch on earlier to you know,

1862
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 1: with you know, the new silist head coach in Houston,

1863
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:54,599
Speaker 1: with James and Rust want to leave. It has nothing

1864
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 1: to do with him, but that's how the media is

1865
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:57,559
Speaker 1: going to try to spend it, you know. I mean,

1866
01:33:57,640 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 1: so we're actually talking to Kendrick Parkins before the show, like,

1867
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:02,240
Speaker 1: you know, we have enough people in our space and

1868
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 1: now to let people know like, no, so this wasn't

1869
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 1: the problem. It was management in the way they dealt

1870
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:07,680
Speaker 1: with it is the reason why Russe and James want

1871
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 1: to leave. But people are gonna try to say like

1872
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:11,639
Speaker 1: they don't want to play for silence. So small things

1873
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 1: like that that allow us to you know, to tell

1874
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 1: our own story and and the media can't run with

1875
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 1: the narrative they want to create. You ask any player

1876
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 1: that know him, have been around Steve size about time?

1877
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,679
Speaker 1: Everybody's saying about time. And his father's Paul, right, Yes,

1878
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 1: my guy Stevens with us and m me and Charlotte

1879
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 1: as well, him and Paul. He's ready to go. He's

1880
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:33,640
Speaker 1: ready to getting ready to go. Let me ask you,

1881
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 1: I know we gotta get ready to be done. Well,

1882
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:39,160
Speaker 1: how what do you think of the Nashum? I like it?

1883
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:42,880
Speaker 1: You do? I like it? I mean, I like the

1884
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: fact that it's somebody who's actually played the game, who

1885
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,680
Speaker 1: knows the game, you know what I mean? You know

1886
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people have to have things to say that, Well,

1887
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 1: why did um these guys about for a white coach

1888
01:34:55,960 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 1: that a black coach? I get why that ain't Jane,

1889
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:04,559
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Who who understands us though

1890
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:07,040
Speaker 1: he's been in the Wars, was pissed with my man

1891
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 1: and Steve and a's my guy. But I was like

1892
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 1: talking about I know, I didn't like how they tried

1893
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:16,479
Speaker 1: to spend that narrative, you know, because it's privilege, bust

1894
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 1: your ass. Privilege, Yeah, Hall of Fame privilege, privilege. I'd

1895
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 1: rather him than one of those guys have been in

1896
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: the film room twenty years and now all of a

1897
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 1: sudden coaching. I'd rather him than that straight because that's

1898
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 1: what normally happens. You guys know his disposition it is.

1899
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 1: I don't know these fucking guys, but are like when

1900
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 1: when when when I think it was Kyrie or Kady,

1901
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 1: one of them said Tuesday, that might be the coach,

1902
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 1: and then Thursday, Steve might be the coach. You Yeah,

1903
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 1: I mean I mean that. I think sometimes Kyrie just

1904
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 1: says talking right, But I mean I think obviously they

1905
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 1: had to get signed off, signed off for those two guys.

1906
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 1: And I really think, honestly, if Kyrie is locked in,

1907
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 1: which I'm hearing he is gonna be, Steve is going

1908
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 1: to help him more than anybody the most, just from

1909
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 1: the mental and psychological standpoint in the approach to the game,

1910
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 1: because Steve is one of the all time great point guards.

1911
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 1: He's stupid. I think it was a great move for

1912
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:11,000
Speaker 1: the same fact of what he said, to get Kyrie

1913
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 1: on page and to buy in and get to respect

1914
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:17,639
Speaker 1: from the coach. You can find a better player than Steve.

1915
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 1: He's gonna respect. This is guy that he looks up to,

1916
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 1: this guy that he watched play his game. He has

1917
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:23,559
Speaker 1: a lot of Steve Nash in his game, he does,

1918
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that's just the basket

1919
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:27,559
Speaker 1: and the same with Kobe would have got coached by

1920
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 1: m J. It's the same type of thing that the

1921
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 1: respect that a guy like Steve Nash can bring to

1922
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 1: the locker room, it's priceless. You can't get that from anybody. Yeah,

1923
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 1: it's they're gonna be They're gonna be fucking sick with

1924
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 1: me personally. I don't think they should bring Harden. I

1925
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 1: want to see it. I just want to see it

1926
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 1: for the game. They got a nice team though, they

1927
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 1: got a crew, really nice, and we haven't seen that.

1928
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 1: We haven't seen the team they got yet. And you know,

1929
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:54,639
Speaker 1: I'm just telling the world right now. My homeboy is running.

1930
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:57,599
Speaker 1: Rico Hunts is running runs over the El Camino College

1931
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 1: and k D is on ship. I don't I don't

1932
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:08,400
Speaker 1: know what he's doing with his hair that sometimes you

1933
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta fuck you gotta let go. Let me see.

1934
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 1: The thing is he had he had baby dreads. Anyway,

1935
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 1: by just brushing it, you let it just I'm gonna

1936
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 1: tell you right now, you're not doing him a service

1937
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 1: by even validating that ship. Your guy. You gotta cut

1938
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:30,559
Speaker 1: it off. Yes now, if I say anything like stay

1939
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:33,080
Speaker 1: out of his hair, black man's hair and all ship,

1940
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell Stephen Jackson you need to tell him

1941
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:39,839
Speaker 1: you're not doing him a service by explaining or baby dreaded.

1942
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuss he got gone. I

1943
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 1: know he's got a little bit of that, my man,

1944
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:47,360
Speaker 1: my man, Jerome Cursy ship, God bless him. Okay, we

1945
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:50,400
Speaker 1: all got our hair ship. You got the ill, the ill,

1946
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 1: lucky you. Your ship is strong. My man, Paul George, Yo,

1947
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 1: he got the ship down, Paul Paul George never got

1948
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:02,519
Speaker 1: an edge because his hairline is believing die to have

1949
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:06,839
Speaker 1: that fucking hairline. That motherfucker's down. He gotta fucking his forehead.

1950
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 1: He got a two head. We got. We're gonna talk

1951
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 1: about that. We got him on the show. I'm not him.

1952
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 1: One time I said, yo, yo, you know, if you

1953
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 1: got your ship down here, some chea pet ship, keep

1954
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 1: because I mean, but but but I was saying all

1955
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 1: that to say, Kad is on his ship the way

1956
01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:28,560
Speaker 1: he is moving in ye get back to you and

1957
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 1: you have the authority to see my man, My dude,

1958
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:36,000
Speaker 1: you're in Brooklyn, you've been out. I don't know what

1959
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 1: you need to do, but you need to fix your

1960
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:42,720
Speaker 1: ship before you head to December twenty six. Fix your ship.

1961
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you how to fix it. If you

1962
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:46,800
Speaker 1: need to glue it, he's snap on, He's going to

1963
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 1: see this. K d I busted his balls. I busted

1964
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 1: his fucking balls, I said when he started talking about

1965
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 1: the nixt fun with k D Yo. If you show

1966
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:59,640
Speaker 1: up Game one with just ship spotty, I'm not I'm not.

1967
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm not having it. I'm gonna be on your ass.

1968
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:07,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on your fucking as. No Bruno forty

1969
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 1: with his ship like looking like a seventy year old

1970
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 1: roster who got lost somewhere and he's never made it

1971
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:18,639
Speaker 1: back like his ships Like, Wow, what's the difference between

1972
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:21,679
Speaker 1: Mike Rappaport the podcast host, and Mike in real life?

1973
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not on Blast all the time. One

1974
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:29,679
Speaker 1: thing that because of the podcast and because of Instagram,

1975
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 1: like people literally come up to me in the street

1976
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:35,720
Speaker 1: when I'm with my wife. The other day, some dick

1977
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 1: staying Donald Trump, and they're they're fans. I'm with my whiz,

1978
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm holding hands like there's a woman here. But they're

1979
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:46,200
Speaker 1: so hyped and they think that I'm gonna be like, yeah,

1980
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:50,600
Speaker 1: funk that motherfu. I'm like, we're a brunch man, like

1981
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 1: I got you and I appreciate the love. That's the

1982
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:58,960
Speaker 1: biggest thing is that people think that I'm on and

1983
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 1: you know, we're doing this is a show, right, so

1984
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm I'm amped up, but you know the show cuts off.

1985
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:07,679
Speaker 1: We show you guys are not, you know, all fucking

1986
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 1: amped up all the time too, especially you're low key

1987
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 1: as shit, and you know, I'm sure people have preconceived

1988
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 1: notions you. But people think that I'm like, you know,

1989
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:19,920
Speaker 1: fuck Lebron, Fuck Lebron. Mike. I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1990
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:21,760
Speaker 1: you know, I know it's the season is not for

1991
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:25,680
Speaker 1: six months, you know, yeah, like you fucking When I'm

1992
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 1: in New York, it's you know, Mike rap, fuck the Knicks,

1993
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:32,360
Speaker 1: fuck the funking. My father's like he's an eight eight seven,

1994
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:34,920
Speaker 1: He's like, what what's what's you know? Is there fans

1995
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 1: or want to fight you? Yeah, you don't know what

1996
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 1: is going on? What's what's happening, So that that's the

1997
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:45,600
Speaker 1: biggest thing about I'm in real life. I'm I'm not

1998
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:50,799
Speaker 1: at all the time. It's what people see on the internet.

1999
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:55,280
Speaker 1: It's it's a thought. It's a marination of the thought.

2000
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:57,680
Speaker 1: It's usually when I'm walking my dog and it's kind

2001
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:01,880
Speaker 1: of like instead of calling somebody, I just you cocksucker,

2002
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:04,559
Speaker 1: you motherfucker. No, no, and then I put it down

2003
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:06,960
Speaker 1: and then it's I'm done. I'm glad you said your dog.

2004
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 1: How is the videos you make? This dog that trying

2005
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 1: to bite you every morning? How moved? How are you moving? Moved?

2006
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:19,400
Speaker 1: The dogs moved? The dogs moved? He made videos and

2007
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 1: this dog he used to walk his dog and some

2008
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 1: dogs just trying to bite him through every Yeah, just

2009
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:29,280
Speaker 1: running out, like you know when you're like early in

2010
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:30,920
Speaker 1: the morning, you're just chilling it and like, you know,

2011
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 1: like what the funk? And I used to screaming it.

2012
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:34,880
Speaker 1: But I used to be ready for him, and I

2013
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:37,559
Speaker 1: used to scream at him before you're yelling at the dog.

2014
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:41,840
Speaker 1: That dog is gonna kill somebody. What's one piece of

2015
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:44,439
Speaker 1: advice you can give people that we're so set on

2016
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 1: one career. It didn't work out and they transferred into

2017
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 1: another career. Would be the piece of advice to be

2018
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 1: able to continue to kind of transition into that next move.

2019
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:57,240
Speaker 1: For me, I think that the best thing about any career,

2020
01:41:57,320 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, I only know show business or

2021
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:04,040
Speaker 1: whatever is you have to have to do it. You

2022
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:07,920
Speaker 1: can't want to do it. You you you. It has

2023
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:10,559
Speaker 1: to be something you have to do. Like you had

2024
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 1: to play ball, you didn't. It wasn't like you know,

2025
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:15,760
Speaker 1: all ship, I'm gonna go work on my fucking left

2026
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:18,840
Speaker 1: hand like you just did it organically, and and and

2027
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:23,120
Speaker 1: the times are so tough right now, you know. Um,

2028
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:26,559
Speaker 1: You know, for everybody, especially young people, with everything we're

2029
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 1: going with, you gotta find something. You know, all dreams

2030
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:33,920
Speaker 1: don't come true. Unfortunately. I literally thought I was gonna

2031
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 1: be a basketball player, but then I found something that

2032
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:38,160
Speaker 1: I was like, that was what I was meant to be.

2033
01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:41,600
Speaker 1: These are also special jobs. We're lucky, right, but you

2034
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:43,720
Speaker 1: have to have that and and and the grit, and

2035
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 1: sometimes the grit and the tenacity to keep going is

2036
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 1: more important than the talent. The talent's important, you need talent,

2037
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 1: but the the highs and lows of life, the highs

2038
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:55,679
Speaker 1: and lows of career. You have to have that fuck

2039
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:58,599
Speaker 1: you added to whatever however that manifests in your head.

2040
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:00,760
Speaker 1: Mine is more like a fun gratitude. But you have

2041
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:03,680
Speaker 1: to have that grit to keep going, especially in in

2042
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 1: in this business, because there's gonna be highs and lows

2043
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:09,200
Speaker 1: for for for everybody. I don't get like, there's very

2044
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:12,400
Speaker 1: few that don't have highs and lows out there, and

2045
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:15,679
Speaker 1: even then it'll catch up with them too. Um, everybody

2046
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:18,400
Speaker 1: coming for your job. Everybody's coming for your job. Everybody

2047
01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 1: gets older. You know that every there's the next sexy motherfucker.

2048
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:25,320
Speaker 1: There's the next you know whatever, there's the next dudes

2049
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 1: that are you know, you just gotta you know, the

2050
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:31,400
Speaker 1: tenacity is the most important thing for me, um, and

2051
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:33,720
Speaker 1: and and you just it sounds like a cliche, but

2052
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 1: you cannot fucking listen. You gotta trust your gut. The

2053
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:39,760
Speaker 1: voices in your head will fuck you up. Sometimes they'll

2054
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:42,040
Speaker 1: tell you, they'll tell you that you are the ship.

2055
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 1: You know, you just gotta keep keep going. Home stretch

2056
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:51,200
Speaker 1: quick hitters. If you were coaching in a pickup basketball

2057
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:54,240
Speaker 1: game at the park, or are you taking five guys?

2058
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:58,320
Speaker 1: Fuck all right, I'm just taking my five favorite guys.

2059
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm taking Doc. I'm not gonna go for this dream team.

2060
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:05,679
Speaker 1: I'm taking Doc. I'm taking Moses Malone, I'm taking Mike

2061
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:12,000
Speaker 1: one already I'm taking I'm taking Isaiah. And now I'm

2062
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 1: just I'm not We're gonna win the game. It's in

2063
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 1: the park. And though they listen, don't get over it.

2064
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:24,760
Speaker 1: I have talked to them one game game. You guys

2065
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:27,680
Speaker 1: figured this bullshit out because I don't like it. They

2066
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:29,400
Speaker 1: try to get my man, Isaiah. They try to they

2067
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:32,000
Speaker 1: try to shoot on Isaiah and Isaiah. Listen, when you

2068
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 1: six one from the bottom of the bottom of the

2069
01:44:35,240 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 1: bottom of the bottom of the bottom of the hood,

2070
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna have that ship on you. Okay, it's still

2071
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:43,559
Speaker 1: lasted today. Someone was just interviewed. I'm talking about Mike

2072
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:46,160
Speaker 1: was number five in his on his top five. Like

2073
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:49,479
Speaker 1: that ship still burns deep between them too. Hey cool

2074
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 1: for this pickup game. And they don't gonna have Larry

2075
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:54,519
Speaker 1: He'll he'll cool him out to win this game. We're

2076
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:58,880
Speaker 1: in the park. Got Dr Jay, Larry Bird, Moses, Yeah,

2077
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:01,840
Speaker 1: because Moses was I dude, he wasn't my favorite, but

2078
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 1: I just love the way he played mom. Did you

2079
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Speaker 1: guys ever get coached by him? Like in Philly? I

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Speaker 1: played up with him in Houston was cool ship. He

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Speaker 1: was like from another era right up fun with Moses maloone.

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Speaker 1: He was on some ship. So that's my team. You're

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Speaker 1: not gonna lose too many games at that time. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna be all right. Top five hip hop albums ever

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Speaker 1: m I'll go with and to thirty six Chambers Clan,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing to fun with uh Minna, Mary's Trip call Quest.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with um. Man. This is a tough question.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with um criminal Minded b DP, fuck

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Speaker 1: you young motherfucker's you went you went hard with that one.

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Speaker 1: BTP stupid Darren production. Um, I'll go with gang Star.

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Speaker 1: They're there. Um, I'll go with gang Star. And then

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Speaker 1: the fifth album, I would go with man my my

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Speaker 1: brain is is slipping. But fifth album, I would go

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Speaker 1: with Shit And there's so many good I would go

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Speaker 1: with the Chronic that's a good album. I mean there's

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Speaker 1: so many forget but that that those will be the

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Speaker 1: five today. I mean you could do two or three

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Speaker 1: just ghost Face Killer Records. Uh, you know he's had

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Speaker 1: records and then only both for human links is stupid.

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Speaker 1: But that that, you know, those lists are tough because

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Speaker 1: you could ask me in an hour. You know, people

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Speaker 1: get so angry. Yeah, and then people you know, you're like,

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Speaker 1: what was I rocking? Uh this morning? And you know,

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Speaker 1: but that that's a good five uh, five dinner guests

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Speaker 1: ship that are alive, shit five dinner guests dead or alive.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with all live. I'm gonna go with

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with now he's not very talkative, but

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Speaker 1: I'll go with de Niro. I'll go with Larry Birds.

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Speaker 1: I've never even seen him in real life. I'll go

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Speaker 1: with I'll go with man Stevie Wonder. This should be

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Speaker 1: a cool dinner. It's gonna be all men. I'll go

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Speaker 1: with fuck Um, I'll go with I mean, there's so

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Speaker 1: many fucking people. Man. I go with Trump. Someone just

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Speaker 1: said that too, because they wanted to know what he

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Speaker 1: was thinking. Who just said that. One of our other

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Speaker 1: guests just said that he's gonna be like, why the

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Speaker 1: fund you invite me? And we're gonna talk to you

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Speaker 1: fuck and then and then I'll go in. I'll go

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Speaker 1: with my one of my favorite actors. I brought her

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Speaker 1: up earlier just because I'm thinking, I gotta have a woman,

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Speaker 1: because you know, otherwise they'll cancel me. I'll go with

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Speaker 1: my girl, Regina King, because that's why I say, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's dope, you should have her on the podcast. And

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Speaker 1: Regina Hall. Regina Hall's dope to you guys, A crush,

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Speaker 1: a celebrity crush. Yeah, they're they're both dope for the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Like they're both funny and cool and well this my this,

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Speaker 1: this next question might help with that. Jack finished them

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Speaker 1: all face Okay, right here, Okay, Regina Hall, let me refocus. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: last question, who do you want to see on All

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Speaker 1: the Smoke? But your answer you have to help us

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Speaker 1: get that personality. You guys have had some good fucking guests.

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Speaker 1: You know. I would love to see you guys have

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Speaker 1: one because I don't think there's been a quintessential interview

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Speaker 1: with him. And he was on Bill Simmons podcast and

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Speaker 1: Bill Simmons was whack interviewing him, and I know he

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Speaker 1: loves ball Denzel. Oh yeah, get Denzel on now, me

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Speaker 1: saying it won't do ship to get him on the

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Speaker 1: first and foremost I'm gonna be honest. Oh you motherfucker's yo.

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Speaker 1: But but but you can. Bill Simmons interview with him

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Speaker 1: was fucking whack. But all you gotta do is talk

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Speaker 1: some hoops with him and then you know the acting

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Speaker 1: ship because he loves hoops. They said he had a

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Speaker 1: lot funnier then he portrayed his movies. Like when you

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Speaker 1: talking to him, they say he's almost a comedian. Say

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Speaker 1: he's that funny. Listen, get Denzel again, me saying Denzel,

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Speaker 1: come on, all the smoke. Nothing that's gonna do nothing.

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Speaker 1: He might have funked it up, but he's my favorite.

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Speaker 1: Like he's my favorite right now because he's just so

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's it's hard to pick one, but to me,

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Speaker 1: he's To me, he's the best movie star ever because

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Speaker 1: he's got the looks, he's got the swag, and then

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Speaker 1: his skill set. He could be a character actor. He's stupid,

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Speaker 1: and he's just he's got that fucking craft down by

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Speaker 1: the balls. At this point, he's so good and and

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Speaker 1: he's been so good for so long. A funk with him.

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Speaker 1: He's a the number one person who I want to

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Speaker 1: work with best. You know, I just have such respect

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Speaker 1: for that I would be bugging if I worked with Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: Mike Man, we appreciate your time today, Man, thank you

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Speaker 1: great show. That's a wrap all the Smoke. You can

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Speaker 1: catch us on Showtime Basketball YouTube and the I Heeart

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