Speaker 1: Forever. Look man, oh I see you? Why why? And
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, let's sorry.
Speaker 1: I was a little shaken because for the first time
Speaker 1: verbally counted down I couldn't believe that as the Phoe
Speaker 1: Nation was happening, you were like three to one, like
Speaker 1: it was a damn Janet Jackson all for you music video?
Speaker 1: Is there any counting down? And that is what I
Speaker 1: made before three to what I'm doing? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: what iconic culture? That's actually culture number eight four three?
Speaker 1: To watch that fucking music vide where she's in that
Speaker 1: futuristic subway station. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: Do I know what you're talking about? Absolutely? In that
Speaker 1: video insane? That was actually, at the time really a
Speaker 1: rebirth of Janet. Absolutely, And it was right when I
Speaker 1: moved to the U s from Canada and I grew
Speaker 1: up famously grew up without cable and I was got
Speaker 1: to sleep with a bunch of boys and we stayed
Speaker 1: up and watched MTV all night and that video came
Speaker 1: on and that was that was a culture that made
Speaker 1: me think culture was for me, because it's a culture.
Speaker 1: But then that was also like this is classic queer narrative,
Speaker 1: young queer narrative where you're out of sleepover your with
Speaker 1: your gender. Let's say for first this game of course
Speaker 1: gender only, gender only, and then you gender exclusive. Gender exclusive.
Speaker 1: Slumber parties were huge culture nineties. But then that video
Speaker 1: came on with two one, and I just remember everyone
Speaker 1: was like, she's so hot, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but also what what what? What else is that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Exactly what else? What else? It's it's it's the UCB
Speaker 1: thing of if this is true? What else is a
Speaker 1: number sixteen? It's the UCB thing? If this is true?
Speaker 1: What else is true? And I love saying that like
Speaker 1: a damn drag queen. Um speaking of playing at the
Speaker 1: top of your intelligence, honey, Yes, um, So basically, honey,
Speaker 1: let me say it's actually no surprise is that we're
Speaker 1: talking about this sort of late nineties cost because I
Speaker 1: will say, last night at the event and by the
Speaker 1: event of course, me and Seek Culture Live, we're recording
Speaker 1: this to day after we performed a song called to
Speaker 1: Become One by the Spice Girls, by One the Spice
Speaker 1: Girls or by five the Spice written by Emma Bunton.
Speaker 1: She did not I was just told today that Emma
Speaker 1: wrote that song. Kid, there's no way to verify it.
Speaker 1: But there is literally no way to verify who wrote
Speaker 1: this song. It's lost to the sands of time. We'll
Speaker 1: never know it's it's it's it's ancient knowledge. But wow,
Speaker 1: And actually that would make a lot of sense to
Speaker 1: me because I did hear. I do think it's Spice
Speaker 1: Girls culture that they did write a lot of their songs.
Speaker 1: And also that song iconically has that like little like
Speaker 1: last verse, which is like be a little bit wiser baby,
Speaker 1: put it on, Put it on. Because the Spice Girls
Speaker 1: were all about they were ahead of their time. They
Speaker 1: were about feminism, they were about girl power, supporting each other, individuality,
Speaker 1: and they were also about safe sex, honey, and they
Speaker 1: were about calling a black person scary. I think they
Speaker 1: bravely called her scary because she did have the scary
Speaker 1: energy and they said, we're not going to shy away
Speaker 1: from the fact. Also that they did not coin their
Speaker 1: own names. It was this journalist who gave them all
Speaker 1: those names. You're kidding, you know, it was a journalist.
Speaker 1: Like they just come out with the video I think
Speaker 1: you want to be had just come out and then
Speaker 1: this music journalist in the UK like assigned them the
Speaker 1: names just like kind of like, Okay, well now I
Speaker 1: don't love that really, but then but then they like
Speaker 1: owned it, they like took those titles and like really
Speaker 1: like I think that I think that they were all
Speaker 1: absolutely names. And also I really loved discovering last night
Speaker 1: at the event. Of course, by the event, I mean
Speaker 1: City Culture Live, that me, you, Pat, Cat and of
Speaker 1: course one of our new sister Ben Platt, all have
Speaker 1: occupying a different spicel energy. Yes, you being you are
Speaker 1: absolutely posh, I think, but isn't I feel like Cat
Speaker 1: also could occupy is ginger spice ginger and of course
Speaker 1: Pat is sporty spice. You are I am scary scary spice,
Speaker 1: and is baby spice because Ben Platt is of course,
Speaker 1: which we saw in Tiff and Hanson. Absolutely that was
Speaker 1: a huge part of the performance was his being fifteen
Speaker 1: and you break your arm when you're yes, and he
Speaker 1: had a broken arm in the show and for him
Speaker 1: to have a broken arm for a year and a
Speaker 1: half was really can you ask him about that? It's like,
Speaker 1: what would you like getting in that damn cast every day?
Speaker 1: That's that's like alphabet and the green makeup. That's only
Speaker 1: that role and you know what iconic and we'll have
Speaker 1: to we'll have to ask him when we have him again.
Speaker 1: But you know who, I'm very curious if they've ever
Speaker 1: broken a bone our guest and and and it's but
Speaker 1: also to tie back to um, you know, early millennial
Speaker 1: or culture, she's wearing a damn shirt with Hillary Metamorphosis
Speaker 1: Tour two. That's actually is huge culture. And you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm very excited when we do so this is a
Speaker 1: little BTS. At the end of the podcast recording, we
Speaker 1: do a picture and I'm so happy that this shirt
Speaker 1: is gonna have a place on on my grid, your grid,
Speaker 1: her we hope her grid. We don't ever expect people
Speaker 1: to post to make no expectations about the grid. But
Speaker 1: if you want to post to the grid, you're more
Speaker 1: than welcome. But it's not a requirement. Helps with the traffic,
Speaker 1: it absolutely helps. Helps with the heads. But there's no
Speaker 1: gun to your head. Sorry about the phrase. I only
Speaker 1: say because it's a wives tale. I understand the sensitivity.
Speaker 1: It's an old wives tale. That phrase, especially a real culture.
Speaker 1: Gun to my head as an old wives tale, that's
Speaker 1: real culture. Number two mm hmm. But you know, but
Speaker 1: you know, um, we're so excited. She's so goddamn funny.
Speaker 1: I she did a sad she did a stadt a
Speaker 1: show recently that I was at, truly truly brought the
Speaker 1: house down. Has a joke that I have to quote
Speaker 1: back to her. What I've been thinking about since it
Speaker 1: came out of her mouth. Now was the moment we'll do.
Speaker 1: I'll bring her you want to quote it back to her,
Speaker 1: of course, because she's not here yet. She's not here yet.
Speaker 1: We can see her, but she's not she's not the
Speaker 1: invocation were the invocation is happening now, she's not present yet.
Speaker 1: But umast a show, drag his ass Chelsea music call monthly.
Speaker 1: It's gonna come back in. It's returning, just like Adele,
Speaker 1: just like a and um. Also, you can see her
Speaker 1: at the Comedy Hub in Houston, Texas, Honey on December
Speaker 1: and fourteen, where she's going to be doing some gigs
Speaker 1: and truly, just following this person is well worth your time.
Speaker 1: So you can see their grid. Who knows, you might
Speaker 1: even see a picture of the two of us and
Speaker 1: the Hillary shirt and it if she chooses to most
Speaker 1: of the grid and again, this is not it's merely encouragement.
Speaker 1: It's not mandated, right, um, But we're so excited she's here.
Speaker 1: Please welcome into your ears. Mary Beth Bura. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, such a huge moment for me. Stop it. No,
Speaker 1: you don't even know. I told bo In this at
Speaker 1: the show. But I had. I used to have a
Speaker 1: goals well it's now defunct, but I had because it
Speaker 1: was it was holding me backing back. But I had
Speaker 1: a goal as well with posts of on my goals.
Speaker 1: It was like a term, medium term, long term lost culture.
Speaker 1: But it is true. That is too kind. And also, honestly,
Speaker 1: if I were to make a goals well now, I
Speaker 1: think it would just be a large picture of you, honestly,
Speaker 1: because it's comedically Aesthetically. I was like, sometimes I do
Speaker 1: look up up at you one stage and I will
Speaker 1: find myself whispering underneath my breath goals, goals. I was like,
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll just be like, goals, she's got it. And
Speaker 1: I was a happy moment when I ran into you outside.
Speaker 1: That was beautiful. That was beautiful, and you too were
Speaker 1: just squawking, squawking, squawking all the way up here. Did
Speaker 1: not let em I get a word in edgewise to
Speaker 1: tell you that unoficial expert was recording. You know, actually
Speaker 1: we did just truly barge into the room and n
Speaker 1: official expert was recording. And I feel very sad about
Speaker 1: our energy coming in that we honestly kind of I
Speaker 1: guess bum rush to the energy, but also get here
Speaker 1: on time and then you can be sucking out of
Speaker 1: here because you know they weren't scheduled to run over. Yeah, exactly, Wow,
Speaker 1: merry breath is coming in. You make room, make room.
Speaker 1: I have to quote this joke back to you. Do
Speaker 1: you know what? I don't know which one um. You
Speaker 1: talk about how you're bisexual, and you're like, I don't
Speaker 1: think I identify as queer because my hair is too
Speaker 1: clean my hair. Told joke is that I'm bisexual. I
Speaker 1: wanted to call myself queer, but they said I can't
Speaker 1: because my hair is too clean. I think that's so
Speaker 1: that's such a good joke. It's gonna get me canceled. No,
Speaker 1: well't no, here's because here's what it is. I thought about.
Speaker 1: You know why, you know why I love that fucking
Speaker 1: joke is because and why it's not problematic it's it's
Speaker 1: that it's like, it's a joke about presentation. It's a
Speaker 1: joke about queer presentation. It's like, yeah, like the people
Speaker 1: who call themselves queer like have fucking dunk in there
Speaker 1: also enough for nothing, but it's also myself included. I'm
Speaker 1: dunking on myself right Well, I mean I've I've recently
Speaker 1: come to the whole realization of, oh, you don't have
Speaker 1: to wash your hair every day. I've been I've been
Speaker 1: that freako who washes my hair with shampoo and conditioner
Speaker 1: every day, sometimes twice a day. And that's literally the
Speaker 1: worst thing you can do, worse than worre Stiden jumping
Speaker 1: up her bridge. It is works for your hair, bring
Speaker 1: up a bridge. But what I love about one of
Speaker 1: my favorite things about you is that you have such
Speaker 1: a strong point of view in your comedy and you
Speaker 1: have a persona that you really and I feel like
Speaker 1: that joke is like completely sorry to be UCB, but
Speaker 1: on game, on your persona and to be on game,
Speaker 1: but you have to give you have no choice because
Speaker 1: then someone will be like, well, that person didn't take
Speaker 1: a UCB class. They did not go through the curriculum
Speaker 1: one and then advanced study. Honey, did you do do?
Speaker 1: Do the whole thing? The whole kid? How do I
Speaker 1: was thinking about that this morning. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: part of me kind of wishes that I had gotten
Speaker 1: onto some team you because you and Katherine you last
Speaker 1: night at the Culture is like, oh, Matt cat pat
Speaker 1: All got all the way up to house teams and
Speaker 1: that was on a team. Actually we were on Maud
Speaker 1: at the same time. It was just like the Catherine
Speaker 1: of of Old. I saw my first monment. I saw
Speaker 1: you did a mermaid sketch, and I was like, it
Speaker 1: was suddenly about like figuring out why mermaids are hot
Speaker 1: or something. I have no idea on a rolling thing
Speaker 1: like wearing a mermaid tail. And I turned my friend
Speaker 1: and I was like, wait, that guy's hot, and she
Speaker 1: was like gay and I was like, tragic you were
Speaker 1: talking about that's so kind um. But to be called
Speaker 1: hot on the UCB stage actually is huge because I
Speaker 1: was once in the audience and looking up at people
Speaker 1: and being like, you know, when you get like a
Speaker 1: little show crush, it's usually for me how they look
Speaker 1: in pants. Yeah, I will sometimes get horny watching shows
Speaker 1: because actually in the book in the handbook, you're not
Speaker 1: allowed to wear shorts. Yeah exactly wrote that. Yeah, yeah, great,
Speaker 1: and we have no choice but to honor him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we actually have. No Did you hear about the Close movie?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I thought it was not being made.
Speaker 1: It's being made. Well, actually it's I believe it's a
Speaker 1: there were cultiple movies. This is literally called mogul Cake.
Speaker 1: Cannon is directing a film called Dell and Sharna, and
Speaker 1: it's going to be about the origins of improv as
Speaker 1: we know, got it, got it? Yeah, the film that
Speaker 1: we never knew we needed. Honestly, if it means an
Speaker 1: improv revival, the great I missed that every now and then, really,
Speaker 1: I really do. I missed the culture of like just
Speaker 1: why because there is something fun about something completely disposable
Speaker 1: and like there's no thread to follow with this. It's
Speaker 1: not like you do like like like a stand up
Speaker 1: show that has like a specific premise to it, and
Speaker 1: then you like mind material out of that. It's it's nothing,
Speaker 1: it's just you do it. It's trash, it's worthless. Everyone's
Speaker 1: on the same page about how this is all you
Speaker 1: believe it for the moment, and that's that. I kind
Speaker 1: of miss it. I will say there was something very
Speaker 1: there was something always very fun and always like blew
Speaker 1: me away. I don't know about you guys, but about
Speaker 1: people just coming up with that, know, it truly blew
Speaker 1: my mind. Every time I would see like a weekend
Speaker 1: team just absolutely knock it out of the park, I
Speaker 1: was like, this is actually like magic magic. The people
Speaker 1: who are the people who are so good at it
Speaker 1: are geniuses. And then but but I will say, like
Speaker 1: I am very happy that, Like I'm not very happy,
Speaker 1: but it does it's pleasing to me in my career
Speaker 1: that it's sort of like expanded out into doing other
Speaker 1: things and like comments in New York because I felt
Speaker 1: for a while, and I don't know how you guys felt,
Speaker 1: but I struggled with like the UCB sort of improv
Speaker 1: thing like the Harold I just didn't connect with me.
Speaker 1: I just but I knew I wasn't bad at this.
Speaker 1: But for that to be like, well, if you're not
Speaker 1: good at this, like this is like it's like very
Speaker 1: hard to it's going to be a note from me
Speaker 1: a dog exactly. M I felt very like oh no,
Speaker 1: and like sketch wasn't like popping like I feel like
Speaker 1: when we were like all kind of like watching it,
Speaker 1: and now I feel like it's flipped. I feel like
Speaker 1: improv is kind of like having a lull right now,
Speaker 1: and it's all about sketch. It's all about well, you know.
Speaker 1: Also like the sketch on TV is like back, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know in a big way, Black Lady Sketch Show.
Speaker 1: And I think you should leave, Like there's like so
Speaker 1: much that was so that show. Talk about blowing me away,
Speaker 1: I mean just hit on hit I awkwardly and I
Speaker 1: do regret this. I will regret this to my dying breath.
Speaker 1: I awkwardly approached him Robinson at the Comedy Central Emmy
Speaker 1: party and was like, I just wanted you to know
Speaker 1: that your show, like I think it really like changed comedy.
Speaker 1: And he was so caught off guard by my like
Speaker 1: brazenness and boldness. He just he didn't know how to
Speaker 1: process it. Tim Robinson, if you're listening, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: should have just waited to be introduced by someone, but
Speaker 1: I didn't. I just wanted you to know I think
Speaker 1: your show changed comedy. And it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this has been the most overwhelming here at the thing,
Speaker 1: here at the Emmy's. It was a pre Emmy party,
Speaker 1: but it was it was. I regret it, No, don't
Speaker 1: regret it. And I feel like he's the nicest, nicest person. Okay,
Speaker 1: I feel like he's not Like you didn't mock away
Speaker 1: from that being like, oh my god, who is that?
Speaker 1: Who is that? Like gorgeous woman who just came up
Speaker 1: to me uncomplimented my show? Again? Never dare should be kind?
Speaker 1: I approached me, approached, She approached me at this party.
Speaker 1: I'm around my peers, she says the Emmys. She approached
Speaker 1: meached to me. Um Well, honestly, I am happy about
Speaker 1: the Sketch moment. And I can also say, um so
Speaker 1: Game Show was sharing a floor with the Black Lady
Speaker 1: Sketch Show because they are coming back to right their
Speaker 1: second season, and the vibes are very good in that office,
Speaker 1: in the office, in the room. So I think we
Speaker 1: can look forward to a very good season. And also
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who I stand now who I always love,
Speaker 1: but I love Miss Robbing. Oh she's great, she's good energy,
Speaker 1: She's going to be on Game Show. I ran into
Speaker 1: in the hallway. I don't think she knew who I was.
Speaker 1: I was like hello, and then I just she is
Speaker 1: she's very very, very very good energy and I so
Speaker 1: I'm happy about I'm happy about sketch. I'm happy about
Speaker 1: that that's diversity in sketch because that is another thing
Speaker 1: is it's like like when at the time coming I
Speaker 1: look back at the stuff that I used to create
Speaker 1: when I when we were all kind of like in system,
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, that wasn't my voice. So I
Speaker 1: feel like, because you're trying to fit in with the boys,
Speaker 1: if it was always trying to fan with the boys, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a pressure. And now you don't have to And
Speaker 1: now guess what, I'm the boys. It's come full circle.
Speaker 1: It's comforable. Well, I was always the thing about me
Speaker 1: as I was always technically a boy, right but but
Speaker 1: but it's hard. It's hard when there's people that are
Speaker 1: just a little bit more boys. But now you've reached
Speaker 1: that pinnacle. I've reached that pinnacle, and I'm excited to
Speaker 1: see what comes next. Exactly the boys turned into the man?
Speaker 1: I don't know, we don't know, we don't know what
Speaker 1: is were you were you like around the annoyance when
Speaker 1: it was a thing, not really, I mean I had
Speaker 1: a crush on some people that were on teams there,
Speaker 1: So I did go one time. Names name names, I
Speaker 1: can if you want, wait, really, let's do it. I
Speaker 1: love naming names. Hold on, we're going to name name.
Speaker 1: We're gonname if your name names and we canna. I
Speaker 1: mean my crushes at the Annoyance were obviously Carmen, Christopher,
Speaker 1: John Reynolds, Mapper, rats. Yeah, those are the three trifecta
Speaker 1: crush worthy. So I remember I went one time and
Speaker 1: I just thought it was, well, it wasn't nice. Let's
Speaker 1: just call a spade a spade. No ance, annoyance. It
Speaker 1: was definitely it was self aware of the great charm
Speaker 1: it had. Let's just say that it had. It smelled
Speaker 1: like rat but and then sometimes there would be rats.
Speaker 1: But I did feel a sense of community around us,
Speaker 1: all being I'll be on the same page about okay,
Speaker 1: even like up to Annie don Leane filmmark, we were
Speaker 1: all like, yeah, like this is like gross space, yeah,
Speaker 1: but thank you for bring us together. Yeah it's gross,
Speaker 1: but also thank you as thinking. And it showed me
Speaker 1: some performers I wouldn't have otherwise seen. The first time
Speaker 1: I saw them was a chin kachin Ka ching late
Speaker 1: night show Thursdays at ucbast May she rest in peace.
Speaker 1: And I remember just being like, okay, hot guys and
Speaker 1: the boys. They's the thing is, it's like you essentially
Speaker 1: are powerless to men who are attractive, and then when
Speaker 1: all that, when they are funny and oh my unfortunately
Speaker 1: is overwhelming. Don't get me. I mean, if we want
Speaker 1: to name names, it's that this has been, this will be.
Speaker 1: My legacy is just hooking up with comedians. That's great. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I wish no, no, because I feel like you can
Speaker 1: isn't hooking up with comedians is dicey unless if you
Speaker 1: don't have the proper like coping mechanisms around, which now
Speaker 1: I do because I'm in therapy right exactly. But it's
Speaker 1: so it was frustrating as a gay man to want
Speaker 1: to get your nut so badly with some of these
Speaker 1: straight male comedians, and then afterwards you're like, why why why?
Speaker 1: But there are so many hotay comedians now, and can
Speaker 1: I tell you, I'm thankful for that visibility as well.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you gay comedians. Thank you
Speaker 1: for taking to the stage so I can see how
Speaker 1: you look in jeans. Up there, and we can objectify
Speaker 1: you equally ejectify a Gamail comedian absolutely from doing that,
Speaker 1: we can all see a Matail lane. Oh honey, we
Speaker 1: can I okay, all name names just to make the
Speaker 1: name names annoint people were saying Annoyance people don't know anyone, anyone,
Speaker 1: anyone from the from from that time, for anyone that
Speaker 1: you watched as someone who was coming up that You're like,
Speaker 1: I have a crush on that, Okay, easy. When I
Speaker 1: just moved to New York two thousand and eight, that
Speaker 1: was like for me, like Askat was like everything in
Speaker 1: the so Jason man Zukis, I was for this man
Speaker 1: is the hottest person I've ever seen. Um and then
Speaker 1: truly Um had a little crush on Bobby moynahand too,
Speaker 1: and he was like he's so endurable and charming and
Speaker 1: and and like sexy and then okay and then and
Speaker 1: then'm just gonna skip straight to Annoyance. John Reynolds. Of course,
Speaker 1: Ryan Douglas Tech at the Annoyance would Tech remember him
Speaker 1: deep cut, but he's he's just the most sensitive, beautiful
Speaker 1: straight man. He was so kind and so patient with us.
Speaker 1: We were just the squawking gay man every every week
Speaker 1: like COMOHI what an era? What an era? But he
Speaker 1: was like he was like kind of he had like
Speaker 1: a queer brain, you know what I'm saying, a gay
Speaker 1: little brain, straight man, the queer brain against that ally
Speaker 1: of all like hapital a ally um And then uh
Speaker 1: yeah that's it. And then with the gays, like I
Speaker 1: had crushed. I had a crush on every boy, like truly,
Speaker 1: like like teen girls squad, like had a crush on
Speaker 1: every boy. But I think we're all boy crazy but
Speaker 1: can never act on people. We're not here to like
Speaker 1: yuck that at all. But I I just like couldn't.
Speaker 1: I never acted on it because I had been burned
Speaker 1: before Sam Tagger and I had had a whole song
Speaker 1: where I was like I'm in love with you and
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm so sorry. I don't know what
Speaker 1: to say that. And then we stopped talking for six
Speaker 1: months and then we like we're friends again. You needed
Speaker 1: the space, we need the space. And then now we're
Speaker 1: better friends than ever. Yeah, I mean this is this
Speaker 1: life is long, life is things happen. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think who who did I like absolutely have a crush on. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I will say I saw Thomas middle Ditch back in
Speaker 1: the day where I was just like, this man is
Speaker 1: a magician, and it was fully the hottest thing I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. I remember, I'll never forget like watching an
Speaker 1: old show. Josh Reuben sorry and Josh Ruben sorry. Well,
Speaker 1: And I will also say I literally took Brandon Gardner's
Speaker 1: two O one because I was in love with him
Speaker 1: his arms wait wait wait yeah yah yeah yeah. And
Speaker 1: then honestly like he had that something quiet like improv
Speaker 1: sense energy where I was just like, you are hot
Speaker 1: and I couldn't actually perform in his class. I was
Speaker 1: actually had such a crush on him. And then I
Speaker 1: remember he would do the thing where he was like
Speaker 1: selecting students to make like a little indie teams. Never
Speaker 1: mind he picked he picked SUITI to be on one
Speaker 1: of his indie teams, and he did not I was
Speaker 1: not graced with this, and I was just like, well,
Speaker 1: he doesn't like me. He doesn't have a crush on
Speaker 1: me the way that boy doesn't like me the way
Speaker 1: I like him. Was indie teams for advanced studies, he
Speaker 1: would just he would just like make it just was
Speaker 1: the thing. It was like, you know, like when I
Speaker 1: think when some teachers would like see that there was
Speaker 1: talent in their classes, they would say, hey, you should
Speaker 1: actually do this, be on a team and be good
Speaker 1: at it. But regardless, like I remember Middle Ditch, I
Speaker 1: talked about this all the time. I saw him do
Speaker 1: a scene with Frank Glaspie where the played the sun
Speaker 1: in the moon and I was just like, these people
Speaker 1: are the best at this I've ever seen, and I've
Speaker 1: just just the thing the world's that Middle Ditch would create.
Speaker 1: No surprise to me that he has gone on to
Speaker 1: the success he has. And also the thing about the
Speaker 1: thing that I missed so much about the UCB Chelsea
Speaker 1: Space is it was able to create amazing actors. I
Speaker 1: think because the space was so small close to the
Speaker 1: stage that you could do something really small and it
Speaker 1: would get a reaction. And so no performer that was
Speaker 1: was there thought like, oh I have to really do
Speaker 1: too much. Like they were encouraged to make those little
Speaker 1: small things, and I think that's why it's created such
Speaker 1: and those are people who are good actors on camera
Speaker 1: because you don't have to be big, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But that's not the new space does not
Speaker 1: have that advantage. No, it does not. It's kind of
Speaker 1: just it encourages a different kind of performance, a very
Speaker 1: big performer. I sometimes wonder if I was on a
Speaker 1: team there now if I do better because I'm I
Speaker 1: struggled with being too big sometimes too But listen, it's
Speaker 1: never not a bad thing to have energy. It's not
Speaker 1: a bad thing. But also, what I love about you
Speaker 1: is you are in control of you. The Mary Beth
Speaker 1: Brown vibe is you come to me, but the Marybeth
Speaker 1: Thrown vibe. This is what's so stunning is that it's
Speaker 1: it's it's on one. It's consistent the entire time. There's
Speaker 1: no like every now and then they'll be like a
Speaker 1: little flare up. It's beautiful. It's all intentional. It's you're
Speaker 1: in control of it. But I'm just like that takes patience,
Speaker 1: and that takes practice, and that takes like a discipline,
Speaker 1: and I admire that. Thank you. It's definitely I've I've
Speaker 1: wavered on it in certain moments to be like, well,
Speaker 1: I could just be like big and just like tell
Speaker 1: hacky jokes and have an amazing career. You know, I
Speaker 1: think we all I don't know about you guys, but
Speaker 1: I think for me as a one. I could just
Speaker 1: do the expected and like everything would work out. But
Speaker 1: I've chosen to do me, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: be like, oh, the way I've chosen it so hard.
Speaker 1: That's not how I feel. It's just like sometimes I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is what I chose and this is what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: But I do you know, it's it's been pretty consistent,
Speaker 1: and I would say since the beginning, because it's truly
Speaker 1: like me on stage and off stage are not that different.
Speaker 1: But it's yeah, it's I've definitely found in the last
Speaker 1: year that I've I think I've hit my sweet spot
Speaker 1: with performing on stage and that feels really good. I'm
Speaker 1: sure I'll get better, of course, but it's it's I
Speaker 1: feel like good about where I'm at. You've been popping off.
Speaker 1: I thank you. Who do you Who do you like
Speaker 1: when you were growing up? Like we'll ask you the
Speaker 1: actual question, but like who are your like? Comedic influences?
Speaker 1: I'm curious as a kids like growing up, like who
Speaker 1: are you like? I feel like something about that is right. Well,
Speaker 1: I have five older siblings and three brothers, two sisters,
Speaker 1: so I feel like I was exposed to a lot
Speaker 1: of like more mature culture as a kid. I mean
Speaker 1: I still had my like Mary Kay and Ashley Spice girls,
Speaker 1: Hilary Duff. Those were all the points of angry. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then, I mean, we always watched a lot of
Speaker 1: Comedy Central. We watched a lot of Chris Farley movies.
Speaker 1: My dad loved comedies, so we would listen to like
Speaker 1: Steve Martin records, we watched I don't out. We would
Speaker 1: watch a lot of old SNL Like. I think those
Speaker 1: things were really important as a kid, just absorbing it
Speaker 1: and not even really knowing that. And then you know,
Speaker 1: I remember, and my mom will deny this, probably actually
Speaker 1: she might not, but when I was little, she was
Speaker 1: like female comedians, they all they do is talk about
Speaker 1: their periods. They're just not funny. And I never forgot
Speaker 1: that because I mean, it's just such an insane thought
Speaker 1: to have. But I so now I don't really do
Speaker 1: period jokes. Your mom is Eliza. My mom is Eliza.
Speaker 1: She looks amazing for her, she looks absolutely incredible. One
Speaker 1: thing you can't take away from a one thing you
Speaker 1: can't take away. But I did internalize that a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean I never thought comedy could be a career,
Speaker 1: and there just weren't that many women doing it. You know,
Speaker 1: you would see women doing it on SNL, but I
Speaker 1: never I fell into comedy. I didn't. Actually, I wasn't
Speaker 1: like a I wanted to be an actress or a
Speaker 1: pop star when I was younger of one of the two,
Speaker 1: and I didn't care which one because it seemed very glamorous.
Speaker 1: I still don't care which one. I still want to
Speaker 1: be an actress. That will happen, and I don't care
Speaker 1: which one. Someone who's a pop star, I can tell
Speaker 1: you that it's it's the same. But then I just
Speaker 1: was like, it's not realistic. So I didn't even I mean,
Speaker 1: I never even saw an improv show when I signed
Speaker 1: a prim one and one. But you just was that
Speaker 1: just you being like, oh I don't Willie Narly, I'll
Speaker 1: just do it, or was that you being like I'll
Speaker 1: try this out. Like it was just truly like I
Speaker 1: want a hobby. Great, And then my life took such
Speaker 1: a sharp left turn because I was like, oh, this,
Speaker 1: this is what I meant to do. After my first
Speaker 1: open mic, which was an open Michelle at You and
Speaker 1: Sue Smith, and I remember just like the feeling I
Speaker 1: got I had. When I got off stage, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh I found it. Wow, that's great. It was insane
Speaker 1: because before that it was acting or it was that
Speaker 1: was that was the track. No. I was working at
Speaker 1: a tech startup. Oh great, wait which start up? Warby Parker.
Speaker 1: I almost got involved when they didn't give you your
Speaker 1: eclipse glasses. I almost told the social media team to
Speaker 1: reach out to you, because I have a lot of
Speaker 1: friends still there. God, I didn't get involved that ild
Speaker 1: go please. I walked over to because remember during the eclipse, Yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone's giving out those glasses or people were like the
Speaker 1: cereal boxes like whatever. But I think I didn't. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. I didn't think so honey, that's right.
Speaker 1: And I was. I was working down the street from
Speaker 1: the Warby offices, and I gotta say, the people, I mean,
Speaker 1: they've changed offices, but the people at reception at Warby
Speaker 1: some of the some of the coldest, coldest people I've
Speaker 1: ever met in my life. I was just like, I
Speaker 1: got an exam there once and they were like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: you're we will wait over there because you're staying in
Speaker 1: the wrong place right now. It was people like really
Speaker 1: giving me a lot of golf, and I was like, oh, okay. Anyway,
Speaker 1: there was a huge theme in your and your I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honeyes of like you being like wronged
Speaker 1: by retail. I'm telling you, there's like if you really,
Speaker 1: if you listen back, there's like a thread. There was
Speaker 1: a strong thread of going like being wrong by people
Speaker 1: who like represent retail, like work for chains, work for brands,
Speaker 1: like it is. It is a very presidents failing one.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey at a time, but when
Speaker 1: you SNL cast member dismantling capital asolutely, Okay. So it
Speaker 1: was Warby and then like but then and then after
Speaker 1: that was just like okay, I'm on this track, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do comedy. Yeah. I pretty much like blew my
Speaker 1: life up because I was living with my boyfriend at
Speaker 1: the time. We were going to get engaged and he
Speaker 1: just moved to Grammarcy and uh, you know, I had
Speaker 1: a pretty good job. I had actually left Warby to
Speaker 1: go to I started in prov at Warby. Then I
Speaker 1: went to a different startup to be a product manager
Speaker 1: and then product manager. Yeah, and then when I was like,
Speaker 1: oh the comedies that comedies it, you know, I quit
Speaker 1: for a month and have a job worked at sole
Speaker 1: cycle front desk. Then I had a few other full
Speaker 1: time jobs and stuff, which is so when was that?
Speaker 1: That was three summers ago. So you you might know
Speaker 1: Ariel Padilla Dave's boyfriends. Yes, I do so great instructor,
Speaker 1: actually a beloved instructor. And in fact, someone someone last
Speaker 1: night even was like I take arials class and I
Speaker 1: saw cycle next to and they pointed to someone who
Speaker 1: was Lucy lou Oh my god. And she would come
Speaker 1: into say she has not aged a day. It is.
Speaker 1: It is actually like beautiful to watch. She's just stunning.
Speaker 1: She's stunning, and she's starting to paint these lesbian erotic paintings.
Speaker 1: What did you see this text on the thread last night? No,
Speaker 1: Lucy lou Is, Oh yes I did. I just didn't
Speaker 1: engage in. She's painting these abstract like lesbian paintings. They're beautiful,
Speaker 1: and she's she has a big gallery show and she's
Speaker 1: gonna sell them. Oh my god, I heard she sucking
Speaker 1: slays on the bike. Oh yeah, she rides to the
Speaker 1: beat every time. Um, and the where were your product manager?
Speaker 1: Where were your product manager? It was I don't even
Speaker 1: know if it's still a company. It was like a
Speaker 1: Tampon subscription company. Not not Lola though, which is like
Speaker 1: the one that everyone knows. It was a different one. Um,
Speaker 1: and I just was like, wait, this is not what
Speaker 1: I want to do. Wow. But you were like managing.
Speaker 1: You were just like using like asana and ship and
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, what is that. It's this like the
Speaker 1: worst thing. It's this platform where you like a sign
Speaker 1: projects and you update status. You make everything into tasks
Speaker 1: and then you move them into different like buckets, and
Speaker 1: this is the opposite of comedy. No, it is truly
Speaker 1: the opposite of live comedy. And I was happy that
Speaker 1: I like had that experience because I made a lot
Speaker 1: more money at that job than I did at my
Speaker 1: previous job, and I knew that money was not the thing. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously I love money, literally obsessed with it. I think
Speaker 1: money is like the best and yes, and that movie
Speaker 1: upset me, but it was very good. It was a
Speaker 1: very good film. Uh So I just realized in that
Speaker 1: through that experience, like I don't care right now about
Speaker 1: money because clearly making more of it's not going to
Speaker 1: make me enjoy my job. So I just want to
Speaker 1: do what I want to do beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful,
Speaker 1: honestly worth it. Yeah. Well, I mean I have no regrets.
Speaker 1: I've for some reason, like I just take these huge
Speaker 1: leaps in my life, like dropping out of college, moving
Speaker 1: to New York, and then doing this comedy stuff. It's
Speaker 1: like what I don't Sometimes I look back and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe I did that, But I wouldn't done
Speaker 1: it any other way. Where did you go that you
Speaker 1: dropped out of Boston College BC? I very nearly want
Speaker 1: to BC. Actually such a good school. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: great school. If you're an elitist, What can tell you
Speaker 1: to drop out? I just was studying to be an
Speaker 1: English teacher and I didn't want to do jesus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what an expensive place to go? Who? Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're if you're starting to be an English teacher at
Speaker 1: Boston College, drop out, No, you're you can go to
Speaker 1: a you can go to a state school or a
Speaker 1: community college. No, no, no, not JK. Not JK is insane.
Speaker 1: He want to dismantle capitalism. We have to start you
Speaker 1: start with higher education. Start with higher education. Truly. Do
Speaker 1: not do stories, yes, yes, not just listen. If you're
Speaker 1: there like, and this is abruptly shocked to you, like
Speaker 1: intern examine yourself. You should examine that, ask yourself why,
Speaker 1: if this is true, what else is true? Yes? And
Speaker 1: these are things, These are things are actually really good.
Speaker 1: These are things. So wow, how long did you go
Speaker 1: to just for two years? Two years is a long time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah at the midpoint, you're like, I gotta decide,
Speaker 1: I gotta go. Was that rough with the parents when
Speaker 1: you dropped out? Well, I'm lucky and being the youngest,
Speaker 1: my parents are like we just want our kids to
Speaker 1: be have to They're like we're tired. Just what and've
Speaker 1: their five other kids like truly like kept through the Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like you know, my oldest brother pursued being a
Speaker 1: professional athlete for a while and that was like I
Speaker 1: mean I think just watching him do that and like
Speaker 1: take that risk too was good. Um, so they were
Speaker 1: just really supportive. I mean they definitely were like worried,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I went to Catholic school for
Speaker 1: ten years and that was like in Greenwich, Connecticut. We
Speaker 1: had one black person in our whole school. And then
Speaker 1: I went to public high school and that was like
Speaker 1: a huge culture shock. And I met all these people
Speaker 1: from different backgrounds, and then when I went to BC,
Speaker 1: it was like Catholic school all over again. So I
Speaker 1: just was like, I don't want to be a on
Speaker 1: these people. You would see the other side. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm not like I'm not touting myself as like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. When I was twenty, I was so woke
Speaker 1: and I was just like all these white people, but
Speaker 1: it was so like homogeneous, and everyone's dad was like
Speaker 1: a senator or likened Pcarty, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: this isn't it. Everyone's dad owned Yeah truly, So I
Speaker 1: just I said no more. Yeah, it really is. Um
Speaker 1: it feels when you're there on campus. Remember I went
Speaker 1: to the tour, It is like you can't stop talking
Speaker 1: about how beautiful it is and like cathedrals, and it
Speaker 1: really is such like a it's such like a trap
Speaker 1: for white parents from the suburb, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like if you can afford to take your kid there
Speaker 1: and you go there, it's so beautiful and it's so
Speaker 1: like white. It's a good school, like it makes I
Speaker 1: think in terms of academics. It's on top of that,
Speaker 1: I think it makes some okay boomers feel you know
Speaker 1: what I'm safest, but I'll tell you what. They don't
Speaker 1: have their culture. Culture. Um, I think any people are
Speaker 1: made a funny joke about Boston College because she gave
Speaker 1: some speech at Harvard and she was famous alumna. She
Speaker 1: she goes I went to Boston College, which some say
Speaker 1: is the Harvard oft. I think it's such a funny thing.
Speaker 1: That is very good bringing it back to UCB. Okay,
Speaker 1: should asked Mary read the question we have actually even
Speaker 1: floating around around now we should actually attack. Um, you
Speaker 1: asked it. Okay, so Mary with room, what was the
Speaker 1: culture that made you say culture was for you? This
Speaker 1: is the culture that when you looked out the window,
Speaker 1: it was the one cloud in the sky and you
Speaker 1: were like, m I see that cloud filling up and
Speaker 1: it will rain down on failing up. Yeah, the first
Speaker 1: culture and whatnot? The first culture I saw and said
Speaker 1: that was definitely Mary Kayton culture. My god, can you
Speaker 1: believe it's first time we have discussed Mary culture. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: it was like it was the perfect storm. Because I
Speaker 1: was young when they were playing Michelle on I mean
Speaker 1: I think those might have even been reruns at that point.
Speaker 1: But my older siblings would watch show because it's a
Speaker 1: family comedy, and I was just like, who are these
Speaker 1: just amazingly talented actresses. They're playing one character between the
Speaker 1: two of them, and that I've never seen that before.
Speaker 1: You never know who you were. It truly did, and
Speaker 1: I know it's because of child labor laws so they
Speaker 1: could get more out of the kids and they didn't
Speaker 1: have to, I guess, take as many breaks. But then
Speaker 1: you know, Mary Kayton Nashley, for me was like they
Speaker 1: really came at you from all angles. They had to
Speaker 1: sleep over series, they had will Solve Any Crime by
Speaker 1: dinner time, they had the fan club, they had feature films.
Speaker 1: Someone to theaters, not a lot of them, but then
Speaker 1: some of them went straight in New York minute and
Speaker 1: I think It Takes Two is in theaters as well.
Speaker 1: Actually Takes Two is actually very good culture formative and listen.
Speaker 1: So I performed It Takes Two as a one woman's
Speaker 1: show at the Slipper Room in June on the eve
Speaker 1: of the Also Twins birthday, and it was so much fun.
Speaker 1: But it was like it was such a passion project
Speaker 1: for me because I wanted to at forever. I know,
Speaker 1: the movies start to finish all the lines anyway. But
Speaker 1: when I was little, I used to freak out when
Speaker 1: my parents would go to dinner, like when they would
Speaker 1: leave me with the babysitter. I was just like, don't go.
Speaker 1: I have attachment issues. But that's for another podcast. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I remember one night my mom was like, well,
Speaker 1: we got you a president's surprised, like we're you know,
Speaker 1: for while we're gone, And I was like, what is it?
Speaker 1: And she was like, well, who are your favorite celebrities?
Speaker 1: And I was like four, and I didn't really know
Speaker 1: what that meant, but she was like, she gave me
Speaker 1: the hs if it takes two. So I would watch
Speaker 1: that movie to fall asleep. I've probably seen it hundreds
Speaker 1: and hundreds of times, and it just for me that
Speaker 1: they were just it, you know, Mary, Kate, Mary Beth.
Speaker 1: I felt very connected and even though as she was
Speaker 1: more of the fashion one, it's just like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: for me at that age, it was just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this is it. Also, they were very good
Speaker 1: in that, and I will say there's a couple of
Speaker 1: kind of things about that movie. One the chemistry between
Speaker 1: Gutenberg and Kirst Listen, we we have our thoughts about
Speaker 1: Kirst Alley. Now we wish her well on her journey
Speaker 1: and we hope that that we hope that works itself out.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about, Well, she's a scientology and
Speaker 1: very much but but you can't argue that absolutely iconic,
Speaker 1: comedic actress and her in Gutenberg in the water when
Speaker 1: when his shirt gets stucked it he's so hot, He's
Speaker 1: literally so hot. Gutenberg is, I would let him crush me,
Speaker 1: and so no, I really would to this day. And um,
Speaker 1: Kirsty Alley and then they were so amazing the chemistry
Speaker 1: between them and also the iconic. I always love a
Speaker 1: good white bitch girlfriend. Yeah, she was iconic. Diet coke
Speaker 1: coming up. I love the delivery of like because you know,
Speaker 1: it's like the actress made the choice, like I need
Speaker 1: to keep my way with for even longer, and she
Speaker 1: just goes with that is masterful. And she's at the
Speaker 1: telescope and that's after the gum has been spitting her hair,
Speaker 1: so she's short hair. Oh my god, I'm telling you
Speaker 1: you need especially it's a rule of culture. You need
Speaker 1: a good white bitch girlfriend number thirty three. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you she was iconic, and I wish that
Speaker 1: she booked more. And you know what's fun about that
Speaker 1: movie is, and I've said this before, it's the parent
Speaker 1: chop without the science. Yeah, they're identical strangers and it
Speaker 1: has never explained also the line of strangers, and it's
Speaker 1: like what and you just fully accept it. And here's
Speaker 1: the realty. They're not identical. They're not. They're fraternal, which
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know. And my sister fought
Speaker 1: me tooth and nail on this and she said, I
Speaker 1: bet you can't tell them apart. She held a picture,
Speaker 1: held up several pictures, and I could tell them apart
Speaker 1: every time. What are the defining difference just in terms
Speaker 1: of like how the the egg gets fertilized? That's all
Speaker 1: it is, right, No, that I understand. Sorry, sorry sorry,
Speaker 1: that was the most Like what are the differences between
Speaker 1: Mary Kit and Ashley? And you're like, well, it's how
Speaker 1: that gets fertilized. That was iconic. You are super Yes,
Speaker 1: what are the differences between them? Well, Ashley, Ashley's face
Speaker 1: is a little longer and they have a slightly different
Speaker 1: nose and there. I mean, it's just their faces are
Speaker 1: slightly different. It's very subtle. And you know, and when
Speaker 1: they were twelve or eight or however old they were
Speaker 1: in that movie, wasn't like so noticeable, right, They've since
Speaker 1: grown into quite different. Yes, how do you feel about
Speaker 1: them now? Like, how do you feel about them now?
Speaker 1: How they exist as people? I am just happy that
Speaker 1: they seem to be as well adjusted as they possibly
Speaker 1: can be. Youngest billionaires in the world they were when
Speaker 1: they their dual star production companies. I know they changed
Speaker 1: smoked cigarettes and they both date like fift year olds.
Speaker 1: I'm just happy they get through the day. I'm probably
Speaker 1: them for getting through the day. And you know, I'm
Speaker 1: actually happy they stuck to their guns and didn't do
Speaker 1: that full house reboot and they and they have their
Speaker 1: fashion line which keeps them busy, and I think that's great.
Speaker 1: But also, yeah, you're right about there is something to
Speaker 1: be said about how and yeah, let's just use the
Speaker 1: term ill adjusted. I'm not not that that was I'm
Speaker 1: just like, is that the right term? But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: because I would say and to draw comparison to like
Speaker 1: a lohand it's like, yeah, like that could have gone,
Speaker 1: that could have swung so far in a bad direction,
Speaker 1: and they seem to be doing great. They had one
Speaker 1: of them. Which one of them? They both one of
Speaker 1: them had bowls full of cigarettes at her wedding. At
Speaker 1: her wedding, which one was that Mary Kay? Think it
Speaker 1: was Mary Kay. She just cart like cartons of cigarettes
Speaker 1: at her wedding. And which one was on weeds? Oh,
Speaker 1: one of them was on weeds. I remember. It was
Speaker 1: like iconic that one of them was doing something without
Speaker 1: the other. It was probably Mary Kay. She seems to
Speaker 1: be the one that goes rogue. Are we fans of
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Olsen Yessan just only recently saw Ingrid Goes West. Oh,
Speaker 1: very good. I loved the entire thing. It's in. Elizabeth
Speaker 1: is incredible and she's actually iconic in it plays plays
Speaker 1: that part of the influencer so well and makes you
Speaker 1: actually very fascinating performance because you've seen this right, like
Speaker 1: because you get that she's like a little bit of
Speaker 1: a ridiculous person, but then when you meet her, you're
Speaker 1: also like, you can't hate her, No, you can't, because
Speaker 1: she's also trying hard and has the same insecurities. And
Speaker 1: it's like as her character gets flushed out more, even
Speaker 1: towards the end where she's like telling spoiler alert, where
Speaker 1: she's telling every Plaza like this is crazy, like you
Speaker 1: are on her side, but also she is helping create
Speaker 1: an environment that that really traumatizes people that look up
Speaker 1: to people like right right, And so it was I
Speaker 1: thought that was one of the best movies of the
Speaker 1: past few years, that it was so good and it
Speaker 1: was so truthful, like the writing. I don't know everything
Speaker 1: about it, just blue. It's stunned me really because I
Speaker 1: didn't know what to expect going into it. When I
Speaker 1: watched it, I thought it was that none movie that
Speaker 1: Abby Plaza had been in, So this was truly different
Speaker 1: than what I was expecting, very different films. Also, Um,
Speaker 1: that was incredible. That was like I was always like
Speaker 1: a little bit of an Aubrey Plaza skeptic because I
Speaker 1: kind of I'm kind of like hesitant about the kind
Speaker 1: of like dead pan like thing that she always seemed
Speaker 1: to do. And then as she's grown into an like
Speaker 1: an actress capital, I am into it. And also she
Speaker 1: was very good on that effect show with the superhero show.
Speaker 1: H Um, you know the one what the guy from
Speaker 1: Downton Abbey, I don't know that one. It was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting the name. But she she played essentially played
Speaker 1: the villain on it, and it's very good. She gives
Speaker 1: some very performances nowadays, and she could fucking sob like nobody.
Speaker 1: That movie was amazing and also I really liked the
Speaker 1: way it ended, so spoiler alert, but basically, like Ingrid
Speaker 1: is trying to become social media fans in the way
Speaker 1: that Elizabeth Olsen is social media famous. And Elizabeth Olson
Speaker 1: is very much like that sunny girl in the hat
Speaker 1: that's like iced coffee today, iced Queen never or something
Speaker 1: stupid like I'm happy and like and like she's like
Speaker 1: kind of like I'm happy. Bitches, Yeah, it's happy. But
Speaker 1: um so, basically, uh, Aubrey Plas is very mentally ill,
Speaker 1: and she um there's like an attempt on her own
Speaker 1: life and she she posts a video. She posts a
Speaker 1: video and is like, um, basically kind of becomes like
Speaker 1: a symbol of like I'm I need help and and
Speaker 1: I'm really struggling, and she unsuccessfully tries to tick her
Speaker 1: own life, wakes up, sees that she has become like
Speaker 1: an icon in this way, and her face lights up
Speaker 1: and you realize, like, wow, she hasn't actually changed. It's
Speaker 1: it's not a happy ending. I would say, no, there,
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily happy. It's a comment I think, yes,
Speaker 1: I on the deep sickness that we all have when
Speaker 1: it comes to social media on more than others. But
Speaker 1: fascinating movie I thought very timely, like I would I
Speaker 1: would even say, like, really missed a screenplay nomination and
Speaker 1: just like it did not get the praises. I mean
Speaker 1: they were there have been. I feel this way about
Speaker 1: like a handful of movies over the last few years,
Speaker 1: but that movie specifically just did not get to play
Speaker 1: it deserves. That could be the It's not a mean girls,
Speaker 1: but it's like it should have the icon status of
Speaker 1: like a movie that truly defines our time. It defines
Speaker 1: I think it's the for me. It feels like the earliest,
Speaker 1: not the earliest, but one of the bigger artistic statements
Speaker 1: about this generation in social media, just the way that
Speaker 1: people relate to it. I think it got something so
Speaker 1: so right. Well. That production company Neon, they're starting to
Speaker 1: pop off, and I think it was one of their
Speaker 1: first things. And I think, you know, as that production
Speaker 1: company and whoever is working there is obviously finding really
Speaker 1: interesting scripts and really producing great stuff. It feels like
Speaker 1: they'll start to pop off even more. I believe that
Speaker 1: year they also did that twentieth Century Women. Yea, so
Speaker 1: they they're telling female stories. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: a large reason why maybe Ingrid Goes West didn't get
Speaker 1: the attention that that maybe should have is because of
Speaker 1: about young women, and it's about social media, which I
Speaker 1: think people are yeah, yeah, and they think, well, we
Speaker 1: can't necessarily take this seriously. But I mean, then again,
Speaker 1: you have The Social Network, which I think is one
Speaker 1: of the movies people took the most seriously over the
Speaker 1: last ten years, and when I saw it, I was like,
Speaker 1: very taken with it. And now with what Facebook has
Speaker 1: become in the narrative now, it's it's so interesting. I
Speaker 1: almost would like to see not Aaron Sorkin do this,
Speaker 1: se to that, because I mean, it's the narrative of
Speaker 1: Facebook now is completely changed and more from what it
Speaker 1: was when that movie came. Right. Um, but the OLSA,
Speaker 1: so you do you identify with me Mary Kate More,
Speaker 1: you would say, I guess like they both because they're geminis.
Speaker 1: I'm a gemini. That was always a huge deal to
Speaker 1: me as well. I feel like, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: think I have like shades of both. But it was
Speaker 1: really I think it was good to grow up as
Speaker 1: a young girl in the early nineties because there were
Speaker 1: so many like powerful iconic women at that time. Like
Speaker 1: I didn't know as a kid that like women were
Speaker 1: still struggling, you know what I mean. And I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: everything's fixed, like there's no issues. I didn't have that
Speaker 1: like consciousness till I grew up a little bit more.
Speaker 1: But it was like you had the Spice Girls, Britney
Speaker 1: Spears was huge, like Christine Aguilera, even like the Jessic Simpsons,
Speaker 1: Mandy Moore's. That whole moment was like as I was
Speaker 1: growing up, And I think that even also like I
Speaker 1: love the eighties, nineties, seventies, when when I would watch that,
Speaker 1: it gave such a nice taste of like cultures past,
Speaker 1: but in a frivolous way that like didn't really underloadt
Speaker 1: low stakes. Yeah, so that was huge also. I mean
Speaker 1: v H one, I feel like, for some reason, was
Speaker 1: like very influential in my cultural knowledge as a kid.
Speaker 1: Were you not allowed to watch MTV, not allowed to
Speaker 1: watch MTV? I was not allowed to watch MTV because
Speaker 1: for some reason, every time it was on. I think
Speaker 1: it was like the sexual stuff for like dating shows
Speaker 1: were always on. My mom was like, you are not
Speaker 1: watching this, so she would turn on vach She said
Speaker 1: you can watch one, which I don't know how if
Speaker 1: you feel this way, but I think that it was
Speaker 1: just as sexual. It was just like more mature and
Speaker 1: more like underhanded, right, So it was like instead of
Speaker 1: like instead of like close up shots of like Britney
Speaker 1: Spears's crotch, it was like Shania Twain wrapped up in
Speaker 1: like a wool sheet like and like watching a man
Speaker 1: in like a black and white video like sort of
Speaker 1: Approacher on the Beach, And I was like, this is
Speaker 1: just as erotic, right. I remember VH one in this
Speaker 1: What's that song? The first song that More and five
Speaker 1: came out with, this last this Love the video on
Speaker 1: VH one they censored it. IMTV they did not. That
Speaker 1: was I don't know about you, but that Adam leaving
Speaker 1: was actually a sexual awakening for me at that time.
Speaker 1: That video video goes there, it really goes down. I
Speaker 1: mean he's on top of her. He looks at the
Speaker 1: camera and says keep her coming every night, and they're
Speaker 1: literally having sex and literally he was on top of her.
Speaker 1: He was I love like like fucking skinny, like like
Speaker 1: the kind of like like he was so like like
Speaker 1: I have in a band thin at that time. And
Speaker 1: he had like his like long hair, and he was
Speaker 1: like he looked older than than he does now, I'll say.
Speaker 1: And he rolled over on top of this like model
Speaker 1: and looked into the camera and said, A keeper coming
Speaker 1: every night. And I was just like, this is a
Speaker 1: this is sex. There's no choice. Do you think, Like
Speaker 1: what can you think before this this love video of like,
Speaker 1: well I get I remember the very first time I
Speaker 1: heard the song Harder to Breathe, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what is this? This guy's voice is great, and we
Speaker 1: were I remember I was driving home from a baseball
Speaker 1: tournament from upstate New York and we were like, remember
Speaker 1: it was like we were winding through like it's so visceral.
Speaker 1: We were like winding through um these like sort of
Speaker 1: roads in like Cooperstown, New York, because it's very hilly
Speaker 1: and Harder to Breathe came out and I was like,
Speaker 1: is this justin timber Lake? I remember I thought it
Speaker 1: was justin timber Lake, but I was like, there's some
Speaker 1: other quality about this voice I haven't heard but four,
Speaker 1: and I was like remembering. I remember I wrote down
Speaker 1: the words Harder to Breathe because I figured that was
Speaker 1: the name of the song because at that time, it
Speaker 1: was like there was no like And then did you
Speaker 1: go to eight to the lyrics dot com? Yes, I
Speaker 1: looked it up on my family's computer. It's so weird
Speaker 1: to think about how how far the technology has come then,
Speaker 1: like this is still around the time where you had
Speaker 1: like really searched for a song you loved if you
Speaker 1: wanted to hear it. But I remember that song was
Speaker 1: just like so incredible, and then this love I was
Speaker 1: like wow, and then she will be loved like Sunday Morning.
Speaker 1: That's very good album. Yeah, and the second album, what
Speaker 1: is it won't be soon? Really good. I actually I
Speaker 1: have to say, like, I know they're a joke, but
Speaker 1: I love do I Oh, I love. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not even ashamed of it. You know what I like
Speaker 1: Cold Play? While we're at it, come on, sorry, give
Speaker 1: it to us cold cold Play. I will say I
Speaker 1: saw Maroon five. I saw Maroon five in the Counting
Speaker 1: cirls on in a concert one time. I've literally tried
Speaker 1: to go see other ba ends and as a result,
Speaker 1: I've seen the Counting Crows three times because they've always
Speaker 1: been on bills. I've seen Google Dolls and they played
Speaker 1: with Counting Crows, and I've seen Maroon five and they
Speaker 1: played with the Counting Crows, and both times, like the
Speaker 1: Counting Crows were like obviously the main thing and mostly
Speaker 1: straight guys and always at Jones Beach and literally the
Speaker 1: opening act for Maroon five and Counting Crows was someone
Speaker 1: I was so annoyed to see at the time, who
Speaker 1: I am now a huge fan of. Sarah Burrellis and
Speaker 1: friend Allison were like in the back like Jones Beach,
Speaker 1: like when is this bitch gonna stop singing? Like shop
Speaker 1: stop with the love song. It's so annoying, it's so
Speaker 1: played out. And now it's like I stand Sarah Brellis,
Speaker 1: like things change and now it's like she would obviously
Speaker 1: headline that show. Yeah, there are worse bands thought to
Speaker 1: like be like tro for sure, but I remember they
Speaker 1: didn't play long December and if almost like what the
Speaker 1: fun Like Adam Durs was like all right, good night,
Speaker 1: and then it was just like it was like they
Speaker 1: didn't play like their number one song and everyone was
Speaker 1: like really mad to watch these straight men get like
Speaker 1: their dicks soft because they weren't going to hear long
Speaker 1: December by the Counting Crows. B I'm a white man
Speaker 1: with dreadlocks by woman threadlocks. Absolutely, wait, let's I'm really
Speaker 1: curious to know this about Marybeth Um. Let's just give you.
Speaker 1: Let's just give you a few things. Yeah, let's give
Speaker 1: you a Folston Twins, Lindsay Lohan, Hilary Duff, and then
Speaker 1: like who I just want like not a ranking, but
Speaker 1: like just like a quick little assessment. And did you
Speaker 1: also love Raven? I was a Raven fan. Well, I
Speaker 1: watched all those I mean, I mean this is I
Speaker 1: watched The Cosby Show. So another huge part of culture
Speaker 1: for me was Nick at Night because I Love Lucy
Speaker 1: was on and that became my absolute favorite show, my
Speaker 1: obsession for holidays. When my relatives would get me presents,
Speaker 1: it was always like I Love Lucy themed. I would
Speaker 1: have the dhs of like best episodes. I mean, I
Speaker 1: like stand that show so hard. My phone's name is
Speaker 1: Lucy mcguilla cutty, and that will be when I have
Speaker 1: to make hotel reservations. So it's like I don't know,
Speaker 1: Nick and Knight was so like integirl and I watched
Speaker 1: The Cosby Show and there was all in the family.
Speaker 1: But Jefferson's like that. And you know what gen Z
Speaker 1: has comedy. It's very sad, very sad because that show
Speaker 1: and if you watch it again, the fact that they
Speaker 1: were able to make so many episodes in a studio
Speaker 1: with four main characters, and every single episode is so different,
Speaker 1: and the hijinks of it all, it's just like some
Speaker 1: episodes are a little maybe problematic. But she had so
Speaker 1: much agency on that show. She was she was an
Speaker 1: icon and she owned that production company with Desi and
Speaker 1: they they basically like were pioneers of the television. And
Speaker 1: I mean also I think one of, if not the
Speaker 1: best physical comedian. Yeah. So that's when I met Raven
Speaker 1: Simone for the first time. Was on Rudy. Rudy was
Speaker 1: played by um um, we know, we know that. I
Speaker 1: just I just blocked out what was Raven's I know,
Speaker 1: I forget her name on the show. It's so cute
Speaker 1: and she was always wearing a little like jumpsuit, you know,
Speaker 1: just made funny like quips to Bill Cosby. I have
Speaker 1: to I have to find out doctor dood a little
Speaker 1: to remember that. I was, like I was, I was
Speaker 1: obsessed with Raven. I saw Raven Beverly Center three weeks ago. Yes,
Speaker 1: of course it's actually she's like, it's real culture number ten.
Speaker 1: She's still working, she's still doing stuff. She's she's out there.
Speaker 1: I think she was. She was on a reality show recently. Huh. Yes,
Speaker 1: she was on like Big Brother or something. Yeah. Right,
Speaker 1: still still got any work. I'd love to see it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's this thing now where it's like, there's
Speaker 1: no it's harder for somehow, it's harder to for for
Speaker 1: gen Z to access to those things because they're not
Speaker 1: being it's not being curated for that well, there's too much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's like on Hulu. I mean I'm thinking abouts
Speaker 1: on Hulu because I know where to find it. But
Speaker 1: as someone who was like fourteen right now and like
Speaker 1: a black and white show with like an audience when
Speaker 1: I watched that, But if you're listening to the sneer
Speaker 1: gen Z, I just urge you to watch it start
Speaker 1: to finish. There's not a dull moment. It's so good,
Speaker 1: so many iconic episodes. Absolutely, I mean I memorized that
Speaker 1: whole monologue, and I wanted my mom to fill me
Speaker 1: doing it in our kitchen, and I got so nervous
Speaker 1: when she wrote the camera out that I could not
Speaker 1: physically get the words out. But like when I think
Speaker 1: back on my early days, there were a lot of
Speaker 1: things that pointed to where I'm at now, but I
Speaker 1: just didn't know time. Yeah, for sure didn't realize totally.
Speaker 1: But you'll never forget the conveyor belt with the chocolates
Speaker 1: something really so many good things. And I learned what
Speaker 1: a counterfeit was from that show because remember like when
Speaker 1: she accidentally pays with the counterfeit bell and she gets
Speaker 1: like arrest out. It's so great, amazing. There are two beds,
Speaker 1: two beds that they pushed together for the first time
Speaker 1: in TV history. They shared a bed, never shared a bed,
Speaker 1: and a woman had never been pregnant on TV. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that was that was iconic to that when they
Speaker 1: dealt with the fact that she had the baby, yeah right,
Speaker 1: but they never discussed sex or anything. Obviously the episode.
Speaker 1: I almost had chills thinking about the episode where she
Speaker 1: tells Ricky she's pregnant. Any sings this song We're having
Speaker 1: a baby at the Tropicana. Oh my god, that and
Speaker 1: it's that episode. I don't think it's on Hulu, but
Speaker 1: it's so goddamn good. And also they were classic chemistry too,
Speaker 1: I mean that was power couple, like one of the
Speaker 1: first like entertainment power couples you can think of. You know,
Speaker 1: this is actually so weird, but that we're talking about
Speaker 1: this because I just took my parents were in town
Speaker 1: in l A. And they wanted to do the Paramount
Speaker 1: Studio tour. So we did that and they talked all
Speaker 1: about how they Desilu the production company like also produced
Speaker 1: Star Trek. I mean yeah, like they were responsible for
Speaker 1: so much and then when they divorced, um Lucy sold
Speaker 1: the company and those it became something else. But how
Speaker 1: how much money she got from that and she continued
Speaker 1: to produce and like she was like a icon and
Speaker 1: to also be that business woman and icon and businesswoman
Speaker 1: at the time like to be taken so seriously probably
Speaker 1: had something to do with No one could do what
Speaker 1: she did on just I mean you could not argue
Speaker 1: with her sheer talent, not replace that, no her in
Speaker 1: that role or with anything she did, like names she
Speaker 1: played name you know, well she did and she had
Speaker 1: so many great movies before the show where she's just gorgeous.
Speaker 1: I mean, just like we worship beautiful. She was a
Speaker 1: silent film actress. That's how she started, and she started
Speaker 1: like doing silent dramatic film acting. And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just so interesting that there really wasn't like a
Speaker 1: comedy female comedy star before her, or if there were,
Speaker 1: like it was like more of a vaudeville moment, right,
Speaker 1: you know, like back I guess back in the day
Speaker 1: day day, like the Fanny Brices of it all. But
Speaker 1: I mean, well, speaking of that, one thing, I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see that for culture. One thing I mean I'm
Speaker 1: excited for the for this to happen in the culture
Speaker 1: is for there to be the first gay male stand
Speaker 1: up that really is like just just the biggest name
Speaker 1: in comedy at the time. Like I feel like Amy
Speaker 1: Schumer had it for women for a little bit, and
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting for the first gay mail stand up
Speaker 1: to just like bust through the ceiling. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think that everyone there there are some people making
Speaker 1: making plays for it. I'm sure you know. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's so interesting And I was thinking about, like this
Speaker 1: is so weird. But I was thinking about how like
Speaker 1: Buddha Judge is doing very well in Iowa, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and he may even win the Iowa Caucus.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking to myself, like, I just never
Speaker 1: I still don't really trust it. Like whenever anyone really
Speaker 1: gets behind the game, man, I'm like, are you gonna
Speaker 1: like hurt us later? It feels like a trick, you know,
Speaker 1: like my like high school mentality comes back where it's like,
Speaker 1: at what point do you am I going to get
Speaker 1: made fun of? Like it's almost like so whenever there's
Speaker 1: like and I'm happy that it's happening, like it feels
Speaker 1: like there's like it's definitely more people game gay people
Speaker 1: occupying the mainstream. But I'm always just like I guess
Speaker 1: that where of that last generation where it's like I'm
Speaker 1: side eying it a little bit of course, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And I feel like gen Z doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily they don't have those hang ups have that because
Speaker 1: I think they're growing up in like an easier world
Speaker 1: for the most part in terms of acceptance of that.
Speaker 1: But it's just it's interesting that you say that because
Speaker 1: I've thought, you know who will be that first huge
Speaker 1: marquee male gay comedy star. There's definitely lots of names
Speaker 1: that come to mind. There are some candidates, Darling. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's great that Billy is going to be
Speaker 1: in that it's gonna be romantic comedy. It's introduced by
Speaker 1: John Appeta. I think that's great. You know, he's not
Speaker 1: as much of a stand up stand you're talking specifically
Speaker 1: stand up if I'll name names like Jabookie is like
Speaker 1: the bridge between gen Z and millennials, and like he
Speaker 1: is able to like just turn out like fucking hits
Speaker 1: every single day. He's a He's a damn star. I
Speaker 1: feel like he is like pushing a lot of stuff forward,
Speaker 1: I guess, And I don't want to be like I
Speaker 1: totally bedicting or anything. He's like phenomenal. I guess, Like
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm trying not to be reductive when I
Speaker 1: say this, But sometimes it's like when you see stand
Speaker 1: ups talk and I think, what what I really relate
Speaker 1: to in a stand up is when they talk so
Speaker 1: openly and emotionally raw about their life, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and that that includes their sex life, that
Speaker 1: obviously includes their love life, dating life, social engagement with
Speaker 1: the relationships with our friends. Um, I wonder if like
Speaker 1: if people really saw a game, you know, like pop
Speaker 1: off about gay sex and you see I mean, like
Speaker 1: for example, Jolie, like he is very honest about like
Speaker 1: his I mean, unabashedly and his Twitter is what it
Speaker 1: is and you know what I mean, Like and even
Speaker 1: though he's like you know on TV now and like
Speaker 1: he's doing his thing like his he does not compromise
Speaker 1: his comedy at all, at his point of view at all.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I really am curious about like when
Speaker 1: everyone does that, like which which is happening more and more,
Speaker 1: like how the mainstream is going to respond to that
Speaker 1: and whether or not they'll push us up or be
Speaker 1: like cool, yeah, and we feel like you're occupying enough space.
Speaker 1: And now we'll we'll we'll we'll watch our Bill Burr
Speaker 1: vide out now because you know what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: is I hope, right, I hope. I think What's what
Speaker 1: I hope it's going to happen? Is I watched I
Speaker 1: think can watched Richard Pryor again for the first time
Speaker 1: in a while, and like just like otherworldly, like you're
Speaker 1: like what like everyone is just like like just eating
Speaker 1: out of the palm of his fucking hand, and it's
Speaker 1: like best best of all time. Like there's gonna be
Speaker 1: like something like that. I think. I think that's probably
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Mary is like some someone is gonna
Speaker 1: come or maybe they're already here where it's just like
Speaker 1: they're gonna like light themselves on fire. They're gonna do
Speaker 1: something that's gonna get people, that's gonna make people go crazy,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be in a good way. They're like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this is something we've never seen before, and this is
Speaker 1: huge and this is Yeah. Also, I think like the
Speaker 1: way I think about it is like gay men and
Speaker 1: young women I think have the spending power right now,
Speaker 1: Like they're the people that are going out to see
Speaker 1: these things. Are the people that are like buying merch
Speaker 1: not even to think about it in such like productive terms,
Speaker 1: but it's like at a very basic level, I think
Speaker 1: if if there is one person that kind of rises,
Speaker 1: it will the people that matter, whose opinions matter, will
Speaker 1: will like propel that person forward. I think the only
Speaker 1: thing I see in in that would be tough And
Speaker 1: I don't want to make like a comment on gay
Speaker 1: culture is like just not having them taken down from within,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? What I see is people
Speaker 1: canceling each other, and it's like, well, let's just let's
Speaker 1: just get this going. Let's not be our own like
Speaker 1: biggest block. Let's not It's it's like with everything. I mean,
Speaker 1: dot's not eat it before it happens. And I think
Speaker 1: you are right to say that because for a long time,
Speaker 1: and I think this obviously with women as well. You
Speaker 1: know what you see, you see it especially in every
Speaker 1: in every field. You see it especially I mean never
Speaker 1: more than with black female rappers. What we do to them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and what and what you
Speaker 1: know they do to each other because we're all exists
Speaker 1: in a space where they're historically has not been room
Speaker 1: for more than one and so when it looks like
Speaker 1: that space is going to be taken, what happens to
Speaker 1: you inside is you get you go into attack mode. Um,
Speaker 1: it's the smith of their not being enough. Yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote Tina Tina. Tina writes about this embossians
Speaker 1: she does when she talks about women, like talking in
Speaker 1: terms of competing with other women, It's like, no, you're
Speaker 1: not in competition with women, You're in competition with everybody,
Speaker 1: which I know sounds like a very like lazy way
Speaker 1: of like a simplified way of thinking about it, but
Speaker 1: it really is what that is because you're in competition
Speaker 1: with people who are parenting, who are feeding us the
Speaker 1: line of well there's not enough room, like who think
Speaker 1: about who is saying that? Well, I would agree, But
Speaker 1: I also I think like we cannot ignore the reality
Speaker 1: that like the people that are making decisions, they do
Speaker 1: have a mentality of what we have one you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Are they have They have had that
Speaker 1: mentality And so it's something that I'm so happy that
Speaker 1: like we're talking about, because once that gets vocalized, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not acceptable. And so now that it's like out
Speaker 1: there in public knowledge that it's not acceptable, and we
Speaker 1: know there's so much talent there are now is fully
Speaker 1: no excuse. So so we shouldn't feed into that mentality
Speaker 1: as well. And that's where I think, like we should
Speaker 1: get behind what she's saying. Bitch, here's what I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: and I don't feel uncomfortable saying this. Joel and I
Speaker 1: were on fucking Molly on Fire Island and We're both
Speaker 1: looking at each other's eyes and said, I'm so fucking
Speaker 1: happy that we're both this is happening for both of
Speaker 1: us together, that we like because this just disproves that
Speaker 1: whole myth entirely. But there's only even for one like
Speaker 1: a gay sest Asian male comedian to succeed. That is
Speaker 1: so that is patently false. I mean, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: definitely speaks volumes that I mean even on NBC there's
Speaker 1: Manico and there's Joel Well Rest in Peace Sunny Side
Speaker 1: on NBC, but now it's on Hulu. But the fact
Speaker 1: that it still stands, you know what I mean that
Speaker 1: three queer Asian people on the same network network and
Speaker 1: you know what, that's it's it wouldn't have been guess
Speaker 1: what NBC is still standing, you know what I meant,
Speaker 1: torn down remains and that is just further proof that
Speaker 1: it is possible in this climate. I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's an exciting time to come up because I think
Speaker 1: people are getting more aware of the like um self
Speaker 1: sabotage that we have that we do like in our
Speaker 1: little pockets and communities. But it's also you know, then
Speaker 1: there's more opportunity than ever, there's more streaming platforms, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. But I'm just excited to see the real
Speaker 1: shift happened because there's a lot of talking about it,
Speaker 1: and I think it's just like okay, I'm ready. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know what makes me so happy is that when
Speaker 1: Dave and I are booking like game show, it often
Speaker 1: it's harder to think of contestants that are the straight
Speaker 1: men to come on the show than it is to
Speaker 1: book the Woman who Gets It or the Wise Queer, like,
Speaker 1: which are the lifelines because two straight men compete with
Speaker 1: each other to be honorarily gay as fun, they each
Speaker 1: have a lifeline. You both have been incredible on the show,
Speaker 1: the Woman who Gets It and the Wise Queer. And
Speaker 1: it's like there's so many I think it's probably because
Speaker 1: that we're in the was that we're in. We know
Speaker 1: so many people that are just happened to be you know, diverse,
Speaker 1: like in terms of like they're not just like white
Speaker 1: straight dudes, but it's it was so fun. You don't
Speaker 1: go straight dudes though, no, no, no no, But I
Speaker 1: mean like it's like they occupied such a space for
Speaker 1: such a long time that it's like it's sometimes makes
Speaker 1: thrills me. It's exciting people. It's like you see if
Speaker 1: people that you want on the shop in those roles
Speaker 1: as opposed to like the people that you're you know,
Speaker 1: kind of poking fun at. Yeah, it's important to say
Speaker 1: that it's not endangering their livelihoods at all. It's it's
Speaker 1: not endangering their shots. It's like, it's just it's just
Speaker 1: it's just better balanced, that's all it is. It is
Speaker 1: not displacing someone else's opportunity. Because because this is the
Speaker 1: other thing that's being sort of touted around in in
Speaker 1: terms of diversity conversations and entertainment now, is that they're like, well,
Speaker 1: I didn't get that staffing job because um they had
Speaker 1: a diversity higher or something like that. Look at the
Speaker 1: members now. It hasn't actually changed that much, hasn't changed
Speaker 1: that much. So you saying I didn't get that job
Speaker 1: because I wasn't diverse is parenting a line that someone
Speaker 1: else is someone else fed you because it's better. It's
Speaker 1: less embarrassing than to say I didn't get it because
Speaker 1: I wasn't good enough. And honestly and maybe you and
Speaker 1: I'm sure you are good enough. But it's also like,
Speaker 1: then keep realizing your talent and what you have to
Speaker 1: offer for the next thing. That it's also just so
Speaker 1: stupid to say I didn't get a job for that reason,
Speaker 1: Like like we're all in this industry. We all don't
Speaker 1: get jobs all the every day, literally every day, and
Speaker 1: so it's just like boring, you know, That's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's a boring thing to say. It's it's just it's
Speaker 1: like it's not true, it's boring. It's just it's it's stupid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And also it's like there's a lot of course correction
Speaker 1: to be done. So even if it is true, still
Speaker 1: fuck you, Like like you just you weren't. You weren't
Speaker 1: the best candidate. That's regardless of what they're like require
Speaker 1: erman s where you were not the best candidate and
Speaker 1: that's it. And also ship gets around and also if
Speaker 1: good luck to you if you're the one saying, well,
Speaker 1: I didn't get it because of this reason, because guess
Speaker 1: what if you say that to me, I don't. I'm
Speaker 1: telling other people. I'm like, oh God, like hearing that
Speaker 1: people say that is just so it is so embarrassing,
Speaker 1: Yeah for them clowning on yourself. Um, I want to
Speaker 1: talk about what you've learned about boys? Yeah, what if
Speaker 1: your findings because I keep thinking about this one. Whatever,
Speaker 1: What are like generalizations you can make about behaviors? I
Speaker 1: would say, Well, so when you're trying to identify a
Speaker 1: fun boy, there's definitely red flags. But what the biggest
Speaker 1: lesson I've learned is that a boy can look like anything. Yes,
Speaker 1: you really don't know, because there are definitely there's the
Speaker 1: you know, the way it's packaged by popular culture, which
Speaker 1: is wearing joggers, they have a big watch, they vape,
Speaker 1: they d m you, they have red receipts on whatever.
Speaker 1: But there's like, you know, I went home with a
Speaker 1: four year old woman in the cubby hole, and you know,
Speaker 1: she was a fun boy. And the lesson there was
Speaker 1: if they're wearing a fedora, doesn't matter if they're male
Speaker 1: or female. You've got to just stay away. So that's
Speaker 1: one thing. Uh, And then I think what I've learned
Speaker 1: from talking to them and having very deep conversations is
Speaker 1: that everyone is um damaged in their own way, and
Speaker 1: it's it's just who how you choose to like take
Speaker 1: it out on other people. I would say, is like,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of these guys they want to
Speaker 1: find love and they want to be happy. But I
Speaker 1: think so Another way I've been thinking about it is
Speaker 1: like dating is a two party system, and much like
Speaker 1: our other two party system, it's broken, and no one
Speaker 1: on either side of the aisle is having fun, and
Speaker 1: we really need to like bridge the gap because it's
Speaker 1: not like the funk boys aren't having fun and the
Speaker 1: people who are getting hurt by them are not having fun,
Speaker 1: and dating should be fun. Don't remember when having a
Speaker 1: crush on someone was fun? Like I the the amount
Speaker 1: of stress and tension I feel in my bones. I
Speaker 1: did a show a couple of weeks ago and I
Speaker 1: had planned with a guy after and I was intense
Speaker 1: that he was going to cancel. I forgot my my
Speaker 1: I forgot the second joke. After my opener, I was
Speaker 1: like so in my head about it, and it was
Speaker 1: just like, why is it shouldn't be this way? It
Speaker 1: should not be this way, and it's upsetting to me,
Speaker 1: And I did. I sent out this survey um to
Speaker 1: you know, I put on Instagram and Twitter and a
Speaker 1: bunch of people took it and it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I forget if it was like pent of people do
Speaker 1: not think that the current climate is conducive to finding
Speaker 1: a good partner in the next one to three years.
Speaker 1: But fifty three percent of people are optimistic that they
Speaker 1: will meet the right person in the next one or
Speaker 1: three years. So the optimism is there, but it's like,
Speaker 1: if you keep just beating people down, it's it's we're
Speaker 1: gonna lose that, and that makes me sad. So I think,
Speaker 1: you know, funk boy culture, it's very amorphous. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not one thing. And I think, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just curious to see. I think things will get worse
Speaker 1: before they get better, but I want to help things
Speaker 1: get better. You put out the server yourself. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: is a genius like way of like just splitting that
Speaker 1: that that circumstance explain the premise of Dragons as to
Speaker 1: everyone who might not not sure. So Dragons as it's
Speaker 1: called Dragons as a fun boy treatment program. And I
Speaker 1: started the show because I was like really sick of
Speaker 1: my dating habits, hooking up with funk boys, getting ghosted,
Speaker 1: getting strewed over. So I started keeping track of the
Speaker 1: number of days I've been funck boy free on like
Speaker 1: a whiteboard board in my apartment. I would posted on
Speaker 1: social media, everyone's like, you know, very encouraging, supportive. So
Speaker 1: I decided to do a show where I invite other
Speaker 1: comedians to come on and talk about their um experiences
Speaker 1: with funk Boys, and I talked about my six step
Speaker 1: treatment program as a fun Boy addict um and relapse
Speaker 1: the step number three because it's going to happen. Wow.
Speaker 1: I built that in. So after the first show was
Speaker 1: really fun at Union Hall, I moved to Chelsea Music
Speaker 1: Hall and I did the first fun Boy Redemption with
Speaker 1: Karl Radkey of Summer House and I basically it's like
Speaker 1: I met with him before. We did like a pre interview,
Speaker 1: and then I structured like uh an interview with a
Speaker 1: live interview where we talked about his wrongdoings, why he
Speaker 1: is that way, and then kind of have him pledged
Speaker 1: to be better, to take the path of righteousness or whatever.
Speaker 1: We have Benito Skinner come out dresses Jesus to baptize
Speaker 1: him with girls tears. So I've been doing that now
Speaker 1: at every show as the last segment. It's been a
Speaker 1: lot of fun, but it's also been very eye opening
Speaker 1: to hear men who are truly self aware and they
Speaker 1: understand what they're doing is wrong. But like I did
Speaker 1: this guy. I did a redemption with this guy, and
Speaker 1: he was just a normy he like works in marketing
Speaker 1: or something. But he told me that he isn't he
Speaker 1: is in love with someone, but when he became anogamous
Speaker 1: with her, he his identity is so rooted and having
Speaker 1: sex with people and pursuing women, he lost his sense
Speaker 1: of self and had an existential crisis. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And it's like for him to even be able to
Speaker 1: have the awareness like verbalize that to me and then
Speaker 1: know that he can't overcome that was like I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just like heartbreaking, but also like it gave
Speaker 1: me hope in some ways that at least he But
Speaker 1: the thing that scares me is these guys who have
Speaker 1: now been doing this for a decade in their mid thirties.
Speaker 1: Where do you go from here? It's it's really, are
Speaker 1: you too far deep into that? I don't know? I mean.
Speaker 1: He actually messaged me a couple of months later and said,
Speaker 1: I just wanted you to know I ended things with
Speaker 1: two women before sleeping with them because I knew there
Speaker 1: was no future, which like that to me, If I
Speaker 1: can help two women with my show, I feel my
Speaker 1: job is done here. Uh, and it's it's really interesting
Speaker 1: to watch the audience of the show changed from like
Speaker 1: women to like women and gay men and then now
Speaker 1: they're straight guys kind of feeling like they have a
Speaker 1: point of entry, which is good. And a lot of
Speaker 1: straight guys I think, are very scared about the idea
Speaker 1: of it. Like my roommate's friend invited his other straight
Speaker 1: friends and the text responses were like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to go, Like, I'm sure there's a lot of bad dudes,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to be lumped in just because
Speaker 1: I'm a straight white guy. And another guy was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get me too, Like they just
Speaker 1: some people are not ready to face it yet. But
Speaker 1: the ones that are, we invite you in, and I
Speaker 1: think we'll all be better as results. That is kind
Speaker 1: of my whole thing, all of us, honestly. And so
Speaker 1: the women also have a space they're like to like,
Speaker 1: do they is there a confrontation? So the one redemption
Speaker 1: I well, so it's it's a lineup of other comedians
Speaker 1: that kind of like go off about either one boy
Speaker 1: or they do stand up about fun boys or whatever
Speaker 1: it is. This show was nice because in the survey,
Speaker 1: I asked for a wild dating story, so I was
Speaker 1: able to review some of those which were blue again bluem.
Speaker 1: I keep saying it blew my mind. My mind gets
Speaker 1: blown on a daily basis since I started doing comedy truly,
Speaker 1: and it was so I think it's very healing just
Speaker 1: to know that other people like go through this. And
Speaker 1: I will say, at the last show, this guy who
Speaker 1: ghosted me, his girlfriend was in the front row, which
Speaker 1: I don't even know if she knows that that happened,
Speaker 1: but it was very like she's been They've come to
Speaker 1: the exhibition a few times because he knows Michael Caine
Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm saying too much. I hope. I hope
Speaker 1: she does listen, but I also hope she she doesn't
Speaker 1: hear this, but I don't want her to know that,
Speaker 1: you know, he goes to me, whatever, But it was
Speaker 1: just kind of crazy to see that, like full circle,
Speaker 1: this guy who goes to me two years ago after
Speaker 1: we had sex, and now his girlfriends in the front
Speaker 1: row at my show, Like that's what I want to happen.
Speaker 1: But it's just kind of crazy to see. It's crazy
Speaker 1: when you um date someone and have certain experiences with them,
Speaker 1: and then you see them with someone else. It's like,
Speaker 1: of course, of course that thing is that thing inside you,
Speaker 1: of like I'm a little salty towards that person for
Speaker 1: really no reason when you examine it. But also it's like,
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're dealing with the same stuff, if
Speaker 1: I just wasn't it, or if I just wasn't it,
Speaker 1: or if they're just better at dealing with certain things
Speaker 1: that I am, or maybe they're just it's just it's
Speaker 1: very weird to see someone that you had sex with
Speaker 1: or um dated or we're serious with or not very
Speaker 1: just deal or really make it work with someone else.
Speaker 1: That's fact. And that is the premise of the song
Speaker 1: cool by Gwin. Stay I'm not a classic speaking of
Speaker 1: female icons, And now, how do we feel before we
Speaker 1: go into I don't think so, honey, How do we
Speaker 1: feel about Gwen right now? I think she's in like
Speaker 1: a weird I think she's in developmental hell, she's in
Speaker 1: development hell. Right now, they're figuring it out, they're trying
Speaker 1: to get the reboot done. They're trying to get it
Speaker 1: and you know the thing is, they do have the money.
Speaker 1: The money is not the issue, but but they're creatively
Speaker 1: trying to figure out when's the Fannie fifty years old
Speaker 1: looking amazing, But what's she doing? I don't know, we
Speaker 1: don't know. It's not for me to say, you know
Speaker 1: who just turned fifty two? Who look Jayla believable, Jennifer Lopez.
Speaker 1: I mean no, no, Julia Roberts, Julia Roberts. It's like
Speaker 1: for me, like one of the speaking of one of
Speaker 1: the all time grades that mouth that width on that
Speaker 1: mounth And I just want to say publicly on the record,
Speaker 1: I support Gwyneth Paltrow. Just want to say that I
Speaker 1: think she's amazing. I think that you what you can
Speaker 1: never forget about Gwyneth Paltrow is that she's incredibly talented
Speaker 1: and you'll you'll see that in The Politician too as well.
Speaker 1: She can turn some scenes in that um and she
Speaker 1: works with the wigs that she has given and she
Speaker 1: does the best that she can. Absolutely, and that's what's
Speaker 1: in her head and in her eyes as well matters.
Speaker 1: And also tb H. That is an oscar that is
Speaker 1: well deserved. And a lot of people say a lot
Speaker 1: of people say that Cape Lynch one for playing Queen Elizabeth,
Speaker 1: but she's got to at the time. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: Gwyneth was Gwyneth and that last scene where they say
Speaker 1: good bye to each other is truly romance movie cannon.
Speaker 1: So thank you, Harvey Weinstein. Oh that's really the thesis
Speaker 1: of this. Yeah, Jesus, okay, and we've never more actually
Speaker 1: moved into I don't think so get out of here. Um. So, basically,
Speaker 1: if you don't know anything about this show, lost Culturalists
Speaker 1: or it's segment, I don't think so Honey. I don't
Speaker 1: think so Honey is a segment. We take one minute
Speaker 1: to absolutely go off on something in culture that is
Speaker 1: plugging us, bothering us, biting our asses, nipping us in
Speaker 1: the heels, and we don't like it, and we need
Speaker 1: to be dressed down publicly. Um. I do have something great,
Speaker 1: I do have something Okay, UM, this is Matt Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. As time starts now, I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. The Scooby Doo movie that they're making. Um,
Speaker 1: and as Gina Rodriguez as Velma, which I do not stand.
Speaker 1: I can't find my glasses. Oh my god, I don't
Speaker 1: I do think so honey. What you just said. I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey, Scooby Do the movie and has
Speaker 1: Zac Efron animated as the hot One, which like very
Speaker 1: first thought, y'all, Um, I don't think we necessarily need
Speaker 1: Scooby Doo the movie. I feel like, let's get I
Speaker 1: Love Lucy back on screen before we have Scooby Doo
Speaker 1: the movie. Also, they did a Scooby Doo reboot with
Speaker 1: Sarah Michelle Geller and Freddie Prince Jr. Which is can't
Speaker 1: be erased. We have to see them is the iconic
Speaker 1: velment of our time. If it's not going to be
Speaker 1: an animated element, it should be like, I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey otherwise. Also, I never forget Alicia suffer son
Speaker 1: in a small role. Also I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Um Scooby Doo. Will Forty is playing Shaggy, which I
Speaker 1: kind of like. Um, I like Scooby Doo as a cartoon.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, this new movie and that's
Speaker 1: one minute, Thank you so much. That's absolutely crap. I
Speaker 1: just don't think Sony who's playing Um who's playing Daphne again? Um,
Speaker 1: Daphne is God but truly Sara Miche SMG And Freddy Prince.
Speaker 1: I went finding out what are the hottest couples for
Speaker 1: all time? And yeah, I mean they were they they
Speaker 1: nailed it the first My god, I I just googled
Speaker 1: Scooby Doo moving and it said Scooby Doo in film.
Speaker 1: Um wait, let me. I wanted to is the movie
Speaker 1: called Scoob or something called Scoob, which I wrote like
Speaker 1: where did they focus group that? Okay? So also I
Speaker 1: know I know that Daphne was announced. She was Yeah,
Speaker 1: now this movie is like wait, why am I blinking
Speaker 1: on who Daphnie is? We have to get to the
Speaker 1: bottom of this. But also while you're searching for this,
Speaker 1: I was just I was bring us up earlier. They
Speaker 1: should do some luceal Ball biopic. Did they do that
Speaker 1: or no? And you know, should play her? I know
Speaker 1: who should now I forget who it is. But I've
Speaker 1: always had a right who should play her. I don't
Speaker 1: remember now who I've always been thinking you should play her.
Speaker 1: But I feel like they announced one and then it
Speaker 1: never happened, maybe like Cate Blanchett was supposed to play who.
Speaker 1: I think that was a dream I had. I don't
Speaker 1: actually know, but oh my god, Sophie Turner, Sophie Turner
Speaker 1: as Lucille Ball in Lucille. The thing is, I don't
Speaker 1: mean to laugh because I do like and the thing
Speaker 1: is she is kind of funny. I do think she's
Speaker 1: sometimes in interviews I'm kind of down for her, and
Speaker 1: she who and I went to go see Dark Fetings
Speaker 1: for like this is gonna suck, and she kind of
Speaker 1: sold it and made it work. I mean, I was
Speaker 1: in a great movie. We were entertained. I watched someone
Speaker 1: watch it on a plane and I was like, this
Speaker 1: movie looks I've gotten that. I did that with the
Speaker 1: Shirlease Sarren Seth broken movie. I watch someone watch it. Oh,
Speaker 1: so I actually like the movie and I liked it
Speaker 1: a lot and turned to my left and everyone I
Speaker 1: was with fucking hated it because does come on his
Speaker 1: own face. You see that in the film that he
Speaker 1: comes on his own face, which is like but but like,
Speaker 1: I think it's a plot device. It's a plot. It's
Speaker 1: it's a pregnant he like he is recorded like like
Speaker 1: he like he like records himself jerking off and then
Speaker 1: like that's black. That becomes like a big point of
Speaker 1: black on the Secretary of State and she's running for
Speaker 1: president and um so. So they start dating and everyone's like,
Speaker 1: she's dating this like kind of gross guy. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: they don't know that, though they do find that out.
Speaker 1: And then he's like a gawker like journalist. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so like he gets the video of him coming on
Speaker 1: his own face, like is going to get released in
Speaker 1: the like fine, release it whatever, and then she bravely
Speaker 1: is like, I'm dating him anyway. And then she becomes
Speaker 1: president and he becomes the first gentleman and despite coming
Speaker 1: on his face publicly. And I liked the movie. I
Speaker 1: thought it was very broad and she was great and
Speaker 1: he was. I love Charlie's. We love Charlie's. Um okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. This is your I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: And let me tell you something about his time it
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so, honey. Places it should
Speaker 1: sell stew. It should be more places that sell beef
Speaker 1: stew because it's my favorite food in the world, especially
Speaker 1: especially I want stew every day. I want chuck roast
Speaker 1: stew down, nice velvety texture. I want carrots, peas, salary potatoes, bitch,
Speaker 1: leave the skin on, skin off. I don't. I want
Speaker 1: a soup with a tomato and red wine basse. And
Speaker 1: you can't tell me nothing. You gotta sell at the
Speaker 1: only place I know that sells Stu beast to in
Speaker 1: New York City year round is the essen On Barrick
Speaker 1: And I want to say spring yes, thank you, Marybath.
Speaker 1: We worked around around that area absolutely, Um and bitch,
Speaker 1: if you are not brave enough to sell stew at
Speaker 1: a restaurant, then you have five seconds. You are cowards,
Speaker 1: and I will call Michelin myself and have them take
Speaker 1: away your damn star. And that's one minute that was
Speaker 1: iconically view because you there's no one who will ship out.
Speaker 1: That's too faster more and it was more of a
Speaker 1: liquid consistency. Hal you're willing to die on more stew.
Speaker 1: We might be running out of things to say because
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, people should sell more stew?
Speaker 1: Is that on this day? Honey. That's culture. That's cactially culture.
Speaker 1: It's filed under culture. It's a culture. We got a
Speaker 1: little bit of a we got a little bit of
Speaker 1: a preview of Mary Betts. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: And I think this is going to be a iconic,
Speaker 1: b controversial. I just want to say, um, that Syria
Speaker 1: just picked up me saying, because you there's no one
Speaker 1: who is shipped out, that's the war and it was
Speaker 1: more of a liquid consistency. And Syria has responded. I
Speaker 1: don't know how to respond to that. Stupid and foolish
Speaker 1: A right, Okay, um, this is gonna be this is
Speaker 1: gonna be controversial, controversial. We have a little bit of
Speaker 1: a controversial I don't think so honey happening. But I
Speaker 1: think we are all gonna be on board by the end.
Speaker 1: I really, this isn't Mary Beth Browns. I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey. Our time starts now. I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: RuPaul's Drag Race, I beloved franchise, a cinematic universe for
Speaker 1: the ages. Take a break, honey, the oddly as America's
Speaker 1: next Jack superstar. I don't think so honey. To winners
Speaker 1: for RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars, I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: This is not t ball, this is not Little League. Okay,
Speaker 1: we don't get participation trophies. You're having these girls on
Speaker 1: these Instagram drag queens who've never performed a day in
Speaker 1: their lives, never read a day in their lives. I
Speaker 1: come for the reading challenge. Okay, is open? I want
Speaker 1: t I'm not getting it. I'm not getting it from
Speaker 1: these girls. You want to go to the UK and
Speaker 1: start the show there. How about we fix what's wrong
Speaker 1: at home before we date other countries? What are we
Speaker 1: the US government? Honey? Come about we get a few
Speaker 1: good seasons in before you hand things over to Toddrick Hall.
Speaker 1: I think so, honey, I'm really intovoking right now. I
Speaker 1: love When did that couplam earlier? I don't think so many.
Speaker 1: Let's let's find the plot. I think we've lost the
Speaker 1: plot five seconds. I don't think so, honey, rupaulse jag Race.
Speaker 1: I love you so much. You're an icon. We stand forever,
Speaker 1: but you need to get it together. That's one minute true.
Speaker 1: I think we can work. Going to have a lot
Speaker 1: of really good queens on season twelve, and if the
Speaker 1: rumors are true about All Stars five, that will be
Speaker 1: outstanding as well, because there's some really good queens that
Speaker 1: will be returning your kidding, Oh my god, where's that
Speaker 1: Juju be? And that will be the children I'm forgotten?
Speaker 1: Then we'll be taught moment because Juju is one of
Speaker 1: the one of the time, made the reading challenge good
Speaker 1: first reading challenge, and she was. She was the best
Speaker 1: one in the reason why it's it's a mainstad best
Speaker 1: damn reader, best damn lip sinker always looks fish, always
Speaker 1: looks fish, and then her her and Raymond Lip thinking
Speaker 1: dancing on my own iconic and tears holding each other.
Speaker 1: Never forget black velvet, black velvet, velvet, if you please,
Speaker 1: if you please. It's approximately the thousandth rule number fourteen
Speaker 1: of culture. Um. Yeah, but I heard Jujuby, I heard
Speaker 1: um say these are rumors. I heard. I heard ms
Speaker 1: Cracker and I am ms Crack for miss Cracker. Look
Speaker 1: out from miss Cracker when she's not like up in
Speaker 1: her head, you know what I mean? Like because that
Speaker 1: that was like a disappointing narrative of that season was
Speaker 1: miss Crackers in her head, Miss Crackers in her head.
Speaker 1: And I think what happens when you say to someone
Speaker 1: who might be a little in their head, you're in
Speaker 1: your head. That is a recipe for disaster in her saboteur.
Speaker 1: I talked about this with straight people all the time.
Speaker 1: Straight guy, they don't know about it, and it's so important. No,
Speaker 1: the in you have to be so thankful to Route
Speaker 1: to for giving these things a name. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, the inter saboteur um, if you can't love yourself.
Speaker 1: Also behind the curtain, you're born naked and the rest
Speaker 1: of change my change, my comedy. Yes, yes, yes, changed
Speaker 1: my life behind the curtain. Never forgot it. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz being what it is applicable to anything. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you know what happened is um.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are critical of Rue
Speaker 1: now and for valid reasons. If if you're critical of Rue,
Speaker 1: this is not a read on you. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: you also have to understand and respect this is the
Speaker 1: most important people in the culture who has seen it all,
Speaker 1: has seen everything. Yeah, and anything you say about him,
Speaker 1: like you know he's not thought of before? You know
Speaker 1: what he hasn't thought of before? Like it's it's like
Speaker 1: that thing of like when people come for celebrities like
Speaker 1: they're stupid. It's like, these people aren't stupid. RuPaul is
Speaker 1: actually a genius and an innovator and truly a pioneer
Speaker 1: of television. And there's so many things that we have
Speaker 1: now are are do and indebted to Rue saying true
Speaker 1: and also think about just think about the fact that
Speaker 1: he thought of lip sync for your Life. I mean
Speaker 1: for a final challenge in a drag queen competition. Lip
Speaker 1: Sync for your Life is fucking genius and dispense. Also,
Speaker 1: the writing on that show when they're doing the runway
Speaker 1: is some of the funniest writing on TV because you
Speaker 1: don't really have laugh out loud writing on TV. I'll
Speaker 1: just on any show, you know what I mean that
Speaker 1: the quips that they come out with, and I don't
Speaker 1: care if they tape it after do pick up My
Speaker 1: God is some of the funniest ship you'll hear on TV.
Speaker 1: And you watch a bar God, bless you, your earbeds
Speaker 1: are going to fucking row. There's nothing like it. There's nothing.
Speaker 1: And I would say for everyone out there, that's that's everyone.
Speaker 1: Um try to avoid the spoilers because the spoilers are
Speaker 1: so rampant on YouTube, been on Reddit obviously. Just avoid
Speaker 1: the spoilers because we just spoiled All Stars five. Well, no,
Speaker 1: we're not spoiling. And I said rumors several times, so
Speaker 1: people want to come from you substantiated unsubstantiated rumors. But
Speaker 1: I would say try to avoid um the elimination, spoilers
Speaker 1: like all that stuff, like because I mean, the moment
Speaker 1: of watching Sasha Va Lord do that wait when Bendela
Speaker 1: Creme sent herself home, that that I think about daily
Speaker 1: every I'm going home every day. I think about it
Speaker 1: every day. That's like I mean, And here's the thing,
Speaker 1: Benda la Creme. When when when you heard that she
Speaker 1: was going to be on All Stars, I was kind
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, that that makes sense. And then when
Speaker 1: she came back and was so you know what I
Speaker 1: thought about Bendela Creme. I thought, well, Benda la Creme
Speaker 1: was already polished and amazing. That wasn't ever a problem.
Speaker 1: So how will it elevate? Elevate? And it was elevated,
Speaker 1: elevated and it's smart. She was the best, Like her
Speaker 1: stats are the strongest, stronger than lask Its stronger than
Speaker 1: any other queen on that show. And then for her
Speaker 1: to say I'm taking myself out. What she did in
Speaker 1: that moment was she did win the show because she
Speaker 1: made herself iconic. She was just ONREW, she was just
Speaker 1: on Hay Queen and she talks with with Johnny and
Speaker 1: she she talks about that moment. Truly, she's like she's
Speaker 1: so articulate and like and thoughtful about like the process
Speaker 1: of coming to that decision. And I think I believe
Speaker 1: at this point that it was not produced, that she
Speaker 1: really did. I absolutely do not think it, and I
Speaker 1: choose to believe that. And I think it's okay to
Speaker 1: choose to believe thinks like that. Sometimes it's okay. That's
Speaker 1: my choice is to believe that. I do not believe
Speaker 1: that it was produced. I think I think she she
Speaker 1: did that on her own, because you can kind of
Speaker 1: see in the reactions of everyone, like you can kind
Speaker 1: of tell when when the judges are actually caught off
Speaker 1: guard by something. And I really do believe that ruin
Speaker 1: that moment was kind of processing how to produce herself,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, and that's why she
Speaker 1: didn't give a strong reaction in that moment, because she
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know how to take this, and
Speaker 1: I love it, and that's good TV. It's and it's
Speaker 1: the most one of the most drag things that has
Speaker 1: happened on the show for her to say, this is
Speaker 1: the expectation. I'm going to subvert the expectation completely. Queer drag.
Speaker 1: We love and we stand Ben took Crome. We stand
Speaker 1: Ben to look Arome, We stand Mary Beth Barron. Yes,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what a good episode. Is an incredible episode,
Speaker 1: I'd have to Emma h Yes, confirmed, Thank god you
Speaker 1: have to come back. This has been one of the
Speaker 1: highlights of my life. My career is I'm not kidding you.
Speaker 1: Sitting between you two and just get gabbin funny. I
Speaker 1: can do it. We love it. If you ever get
Speaker 1: the opportunity the privilege of being on this show, congratulations
Speaker 1: to you. This has just been nuts start to finish
Speaker 1: a joy. We had so much fun. And you gotta
Speaker 1: go see drag his ass And what are you going
Speaker 1: to come out and do it in l A probably
Speaker 1: in January, hopefully a dynasty again and we'll make We'll
Speaker 1: get it popping, great, amazing. I I'm there. And also, um, Houston,
Speaker 1: Houston Comedy Hub four. You gotta go uh and we
Speaker 1: we give blow kisses to everyone in Houston that came
Speaker 1: to that. I don't think so, honey, with Bowen and Katherine.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I wasn't there. Um. We do end every
Speaker 1: episode with a song RuPaul's drag Race, Your Ender's Dragon Race.
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