1 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough. You're 2 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: listening to Software Up Radio, Special Operations, military news and 3 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: straight talk with the guys in the community. Hello, lover 4 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: and everyone, Welcome back to Software Radio, Software Radio on Time, 5 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: on Target. I'm your host this afternoon, Steve BALISTI joining us, 6 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: I should say joining us. We have a very special guest, 7 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: Dan Schilling. He's an author. He's spent thirty years in 8 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: the military, mostly as Air Force combat controller and a 9 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: special Tactics officer. But you know, he started his uh, 10 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: his career, as many of us did, as an infantry grunt. 11 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: So we're gonna get into all that. But Dan has 12 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: uh he's been all around the world. He was in Somalia, 13 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: which most of us know as black Hawk Down. He 14 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: worked with rangers, he worked with seals, he worked with 15 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: s F guys. Um you know, he worked with Jay Sock. 16 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,639 Speaker 1: He's written a bunch of books. We're gonna be talking 17 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: about his new book, The Power of Awareness in just 18 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: a few minutes, but first we want to uh, welcome 19 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: to the podcast. Dan. Thanks for taking the time to 20 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: join us this afternoon. I know we were cutting into 21 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: some of your recreation time today so we appreciate it. Thus, Steve, 22 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: it's my pleasure to be here. Uh, this is a 23 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: great radio program. I'm really excited to be on. And uh, 24 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna touch on some entering stuff, interesting stuff, 25 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: and you know, skiing. I was supposed to be skiing 26 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: this morning, but uh, you know, I'd rather be doing 27 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: this interview when the snow is getting pretty crappy. Anyway, Well, 28 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: as I told you offline, we don't have much snow 29 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: down here in Florida. So if you're going skin, it's 30 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: usually on the water down here, and you gotta avoid 31 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: the alligators on the river. So yeah, I prefer the 32 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: frozen water there you go. Uh. You know, before we 33 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: get into your military career, I know that you know 34 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: in your book you mentioned it. It's also on your website. 35 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: You hold the Guinness World Record for the most base 36 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: jumps in twenty four hours, two hundred and one. And 37 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: I have to ask you about this because you know, 38 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: I know how many parachutes did you actually use on 39 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: that day? I had twenty four. I had twenty four 40 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: bass rigs, and I had uh, I had fifteen packers 41 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: who were all obviously base jumpers, and then some of 42 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 1: the best base jumpers in the world. Actually, I was 43 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: really fortunate to have a lot of great support from this. 44 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: It was really tight knit community, especially back then, and 45 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: they still don't. Managed to almost kill me three times 46 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: in the first couple hours, but we got past that. Man, 47 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: it worked out. So two hundred and one base jumps 48 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: in one day, you know that, Uh, parachutists, And you know, 49 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: I love jumping. That's one thing I've never done. I 50 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: have never base jumped, And you talked about it in 51 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: your book, And that's one of your passions, isn't it. 52 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: It is? And it's a you know, as a like you. 53 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: I was a Halo guy forever and I was a 54 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: pro rated demonstration skydivor. You know, I did a lot 55 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: of skydiving on the weekends and that kind of stuff. 56 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: And but man, base jumping is a different thing. It 57 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: has a different vibe to it. There's no airplane, there's 58 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: no noise. You have to usually climb or high core, 59 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: you know, clandestinely method of entry get into a building 60 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. Not that I have jumped off of 61 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: hotels in Las Vegas or anything, but you know, it's 62 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: got it's a whole different aspect of it, and it's 63 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: it's really for me. Base jumping is a way to 64 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: center myself because it forces all the thoughts out of 65 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 1: your head. Because it's the only sport I've ever done, 66 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: our activity I've engaged in that you have to do 67 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: everything exactly right at exactly the right time, every single time, 68 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: or you die like there's no gray area, like you 69 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: become palice food, or you're gonna wall strike the Hilton 70 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, or whatever the case may be. And 71 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: that's a really great way to to to push thoughts 72 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: out and and it worries out of your head. You know, 73 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know why I base jumped. It's 74 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: a hard thing to describe except to say when I'm 75 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: standing on top of a six d foot cliff and 76 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: then that instant when I push off of that rock 77 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: and you are not accelerating at thirty per second per second, 78 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: yet you're just in this momentary sense of suspension and 79 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: the universe is just like not in motion, and all 80 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: the thoughts and worries are out of your head in 81 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: that instant. I know why I based jump. That's awesome. Uh, 82 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: Like I said, that's something I've never done. Before and 83 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: now during your base jumps, did you have a helicopter 84 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: to take you up or you know, I had a 85 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: I had a sixty town construction crane. It took me 86 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: a year just to get the permit to close a 87 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: lane on the interstate because it's the it's the prime 88 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: bridge over the Snake River Gorge in Twin Falls, Idaho. 89 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: In fact, when you jump off the bridge, you can 90 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: see the ramp that Evil Kinevel built for his ill 91 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: fated rocket motorcycle car, whatever the hell it was that 92 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: he was trying to shoot across there. You can see 93 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: the dirt ramp from there, so that's yeah, that's where 94 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: it is. And I just used a construction crane because 95 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: I knew in order to break the world record. The 96 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: current record at the time was a hundred and thirty 97 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: four jumps. Um, it's about cyclic rate. And you can 98 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: appreciate this as a as a as a you know, 99 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: former Green Beret. It's uh, it's all about logistics. And 100 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: my plan was driven logistics because I am a very 101 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 1: average base jumper. I am not a spectacular aerobatic dude 102 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: or anything. But I don't have to run an operation man, 103 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: and that's really what it came down to, Well, you 104 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: had to have some tired limbs by the end of 105 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: that day. Yeah, I broke my arm about eight hours in, 106 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: which sucked, but I had a PJ there, so he 107 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: gave me a quick shot of tour it all in 108 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: one I think my right butt cheek, and that sort 109 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: of fixed that problem, and we just kept pressing on. Wow, Well, 110 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: let's talk about your military career, because, like a lot 111 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: of us, you started off as a grunt um. How 112 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: did you come about that? And tell us about, you know, 113 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: getting into the Air force and combat controlling. Well, I was, 114 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, like a lot of guys with a lot 115 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: of energy. When I got out of high school, I 116 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: tried going to college and very unsuccessfully did that, and 117 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: so I just wasn't ready. I didn't have the focus 118 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: and then maybe the maturity to do that. And at 119 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: the time, the girl I was dating as a great 120 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: favor to me, reached into my chest, grabbed my heart 121 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: and ripped it out, wrenching my life away from me, 122 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: and I realized, maybe I'll do something different, And oddly enough, 123 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: somehow I encountered an army recruiter who told me, hey, 124 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: we'll pay you to jump out of airplanes. And it 125 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: had never occurred to me in my life to even 126 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: jump out of an airplane. This is Scott Evan wasn't 127 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: a big deal then, and and I thought, man jump 128 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: out of an airplane. So I joined as a grunt 129 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: and really enjoyed that. Uh you know, you're humping a 130 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: ruck at a sixty, and you know, you learn a 131 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: lot about soldiering and how to work as a team. 132 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: It's the basic fundamentals of even special ops. It's all 133 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: about teamwork and you can learn that at the infantry 134 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: level or environment. And I really found that appealing. And 135 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: then I ended up going on a trip with some 136 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: combat controllers about two years in and they were doing 137 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: blackout landings with talent. You know, EMC went thirty talents. Again, 138 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: this isn't mid eighties and uh, and they were telling 139 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: me they hit there there halo, they were scuba. And 140 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: then Pete Neal, the guy who got me into combat control, 141 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: he's dead now, but he said yeah, we get pro 142 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: pay And I said pro pa pro pay and he goes, 143 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: it's exactly and he's like, that's cool guy pay. I 144 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: want man, man, I want cool guy pay. So but 145 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: I'm in the Army, so I'm only like two years 146 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: into the Army. I'm a corporal. And I go and 147 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: talk to an Air Force recruiter and he's like, hey, 148 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: I can get you into the Air Force. And you know, 149 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: these guys were combat controllers. I'm like, I want to 150 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: be a combat controller. At the time, you couldn't enlist 151 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: for CCT. You just to join the Air Force and 152 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: take a gamble on it. But anyway, I got all 153 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: the paperwork filled out and he's like, if you can 154 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: get a release, this will get you into the Air Force. 155 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: So I went back to my my company commander, and 156 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: I was a pretty fast moving guy. You know, they 157 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,599 Speaker 1: liked me at the unit and on my case or 158 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: I really want to be a combat controller, and you know, 159 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: here's the deal. And he's like, well, here's the deal, shilling, 160 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: if the Air Force will take you, if you can 161 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: get into the Air Force, I'll sign your paperwork. And 162 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: I was like, funny you should say that, sir. Slip 163 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: the thing across the desk. I'm like, this is the 164 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: forum right here, and he was boxed in. Good guy. 165 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: He signed it and I didn't. In the service transfer 166 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: and you know, and and that sent me on the 167 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: trajectory to a lot of things have changed and shaped 168 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: my life. Yeah, you know, having worked with combat controllers, 169 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: a couple of things always stood out. Those guys were 170 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: as cool as a cucumber, because you know, you work 171 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: with them, and it's not always you know, when people 172 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: here combat control of they're they're automatically thinking, oh, calling 173 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: in airstrikes because of you know, what's been going on 174 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: for forever in Afghanistan, Iraq. But you know, I remember 175 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: working with those guys during a UM. It was like 176 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: a hurricane down in uh one of those Central American 177 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 1: Haiti or Hondura. It might have been Hondura's back in 178 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: that time. And the first guys that showed up don there. 179 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: The SF guys, we were already there. We had been 180 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: working with the Honduran infantry. But then you know, the 181 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: country was destroyed, So who shows up combat controllers because 182 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: they're bringing in all of the yeah, the emergency stuff. 183 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: And they had a pretty interesting flight path. I mean, 184 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, as an SF guy, you know, we don't 185 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: know anything about that, and we're watching all these planes 186 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: flying around and this guy, you know, he's sitting there 187 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: and drinking his coffee talking on the radio to a 188 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: bunch of different pilots. It had goes off to those guys. Well, 189 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: it's a you know, it's a funny thing because talking 190 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: about uh, you know, talking about that's one of the 191 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: core missions, you know, combat control. Yeah, air strikes is 192 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: how in America's longest running more we've learned a lot 193 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: of stripes and we've always been the world's foremost capability 194 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: for putting a bomb on a point on the Earth 195 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: at the right time without collateral damage. But as you said, 196 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: you know, most people don't realize a couple of things. 197 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: One we predate green Berets and seals by about a decade. 198 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: And two we have this the restless capability that really 199 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: matters to the world is we're all rated air traffic controllers. 200 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: We go to Air track Control school and you bring 201 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: this capability to any dynamic and so we're we tend 202 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: to be first on sene. You know, when Haiti collapsed 203 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:31,119 Speaker 1: in the first guys there in in in the world's response. 204 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: The entire world was focusing on the collapse of Haiti 205 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: after the earthquake. The first guys that showed up was 206 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: a handful of combat controllers with one a TV and 207 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: a folding card table. And the guy who ran that 208 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: no officers at all, just enlisted dudes. It was a 209 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: Master sergeant named Tony Travis. He's a friend of mine. 210 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: And they ran that international airport and they exceeded the 211 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: maximum capacity of the Haiti International Airport by fourteen hundred percent. 212 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: That's over the maximum capability that airfield. And they did 213 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: that for weeks without a single incident, running drop zones 214 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: and the airfield and it was amazing. And for that feat, 215 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: he was the first um, you know, U S Military 216 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: member to be listed as one of the Times hundred 217 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: most Influential People of the Year. And that's that's one 218 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: of the great things about combat controllers. You save the 219 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: good guys in addition to killing the bad guys, right, 220 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: and you know, it's funny gives. Like I told you, 221 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: I have spent some time with the guys and and 222 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: they were they were telling me, you know, we're we're 223 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: unique in the fact that we trained as a team, 224 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: but we work as individuals, you know, working with you guys. 225 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: And the one thing that I realized right off the 226 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: bat is you know, when you're dealing with special ops 227 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: guys and we all know that Greenberrey Seals Rangers. You know, 228 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of type of personalities there. And I'm 229 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: not gonna tell you we were a bunch assholes, but 230 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: we can be at times. And for those guys to 231 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: come in and they're working with guys, you know a 232 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: lot of times they're working with guys they've never met before. 233 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: Being able to fit right in seamlessly is an art 234 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: in itself. Well, you you learn to subordinate your ego. 235 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: I mean you touched on the key. You're working with 236 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of alpha people, men and women, doesn't matter, 237 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: you know, gender, and and and discipline or what nationality 238 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: and so in order to integrate into that type of 239 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 1: environment rapidly and gain full trust of these people, that's like, hey, 240 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: when things are gonna be at their absolute worst, this 241 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: is the one guy who's gonna stave everyone's life when 242 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: no one else can do it. Hey, As you pointed out, 243 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure on the individual level and 244 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: be you have to be able to blend. And all 245 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: the best combat controllers I've known are very socially adaptable 246 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: and malleable people. And uh, and they tend to be 247 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: really intellectually curious, uh folks, and and that, and it's 248 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: just and you develop that and it carries you through life. 249 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons I've been successful in 250 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: some other areas, And you know, whether it was my 251 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: base jump world record or becoming a writer and even 252 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: speaking to people, I can attribute to all the things 253 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: I learned, not just the core skills of special obs, shoot, move, communicate, 254 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: jump from a plane, whatever, it was the people skills 255 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: that I learned as a combat controller. I've really shaped 256 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: me as an individual. And uh, you know, and that's 257 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: not all good. I guess I can be a jerk 258 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: sometimes too, but who knows, anyway, we all can sometimes. 259 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, a funny story, I uh, when I was 260 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: working with you know, some controllers down in Paraguay. They 261 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: were down there, down there for something completely different. I 262 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: was down there working with the Paraguay and SUF guys. 263 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: Um they went down to do some kind of exercise 264 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: that with the Air Force, and you know, we we 265 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: kept running into each other and then you know, we 266 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: were jumping together with the Paraguayan guys, and so you know, 267 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: we naturally started hanging out together and spending time. We 268 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: were having having a good time, and so uh, this 269 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: one night they had asked me, Hey, you guys gonna 270 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: be around tonight. Yep, we'll be around. Well, it turns 271 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: out our training went over time. We were there late 272 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: at until late at night. We got back to the 273 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: hotel and they had sent one of the guys over 274 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: and didn't speak Spanish, and he was like, where's the 275 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: SF guys at the hotel? Major D didn't speak English, 276 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: so they they're trying to pass a message. And so 277 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: when we get back, the major D was like, yeah, 278 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: the guy didn't speak Spanish and I don't speak English, 279 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: but he said something about eight o'clock in the morning 280 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: picking somebody up at the airport. So I was like, okay, 281 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: they must have got a message that somebody's coming down, 282 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: you know, you know how it works, and somebody senior, 283 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: some senior dudes coming to look at things or whatever. 284 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: So I have a pair of blue jeans on, a 285 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: pair of cowboy boots and a leather jacket and I 286 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: go to the airport because it's it's winter in Paraguay, 287 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: which is like July, uh, and it was actually pretty chilly. 288 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: So I go to the airport with another guy from 289 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: my team, and we're addressed kind of like the same. 290 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: We figured we're gonna pick up one of our guys 291 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: and uh so, then the Air Force guys of all 292 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: the other CCT guys and they had like almost an 293 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: entire airborne battalion for the Paraguayans. And the head controller 294 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: came up to me. I'm trying to remember his name now, 295 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm dron a blank. He's like, what are you doing? 296 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: And I was like, I got your message. Who are 297 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: we picking up? He's like no, He's like, we're jumping 298 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: these battalion of guys. I need, you know, jump masters. 299 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh wow, no ship. So I said, 300 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: uh hey, let me talk because we were using US 301 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: Air Force pilots and I said let me talk to 302 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: the pilot. So the pilot was looking at me and 303 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: he's like, hey, what's going on? And I said, Hey, 304 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: this is Bill. This is a guy on my team. 305 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: If it's alright with you, we're gonna be the primary 306 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: jump masters dressed like this. And he goes with cowboy 307 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: boots on and I said, hey, man, you know, I 308 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: explained to him the situation and he was like, as 309 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: long as you could do it safely. I don't have 310 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: a problem with it. Yeah, I was like, here we go. 311 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: So I went to the CC and it was like, 312 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: any of you guys have a spare helmet and they 313 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: were like, yeah, it's a matter of fact, we do. 314 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: They had this gold motorcycle helmet that was like this 315 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: god awful. It wasn't even gold, it was like yellow 316 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: metal flake, you know, and it was just absolutely horrible. 317 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: And I said, you gotta be kidding me, right, So 318 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: they were like, no, this is we got this. So 319 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: I put this on. I'm standing there in a leather 320 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: jacket and I go through all the UM commands and 321 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: all this, and I'm looking at the front of the aircraft. 322 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: One of the CCT guys got his movie camera out 323 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: and he's phone me. He's like, oh, yeah, we we 324 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: have black mail material big time now, you know. And 325 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. But I say, it's 326 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: probably one of those Bell five hundred, you know helmets 327 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: that everybody had from way back in the day, because 328 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: that's just a yeah, we used to have a lot 329 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: of those. We used to carry, you know, this is 330 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: the cherry helmet thing, but we used to have a 331 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: lot of those kind of things around just to screw 332 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: with other people. Yeah, yeah, and but that was you know, 333 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: that was my story with that and yeah, they have 334 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: that blackmail material on me. So anyway, so um yeah, 335 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: getting back to the cct S, UH, I wanted to 336 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: ask you about Gothic Serpent, the operation in Mogadishu and 337 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: you know, share of your experiences there. Well, yeah, happy 338 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: to you know, one of the things that I tend 339 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: to always land on UH and emphasize what the public is. Yeah. 340 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: That was a very successful mission. It was just a 341 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: very difficult and from our standpoint, costly and from a 342 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: certainly from a Smally standpoint, even more costly operation that day. 343 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: I mean the deployment that the overall mission there was 344 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: to introduce more stability, stave off starvation as a weapon 345 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,959 Speaker 1: by the Havard Getter Clan and Smally National Alliance and 346 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: roll up this warlord named Mohammed A Deed And we 347 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: were doing that. We were knocking out targets, and we 348 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: were doing things that people just didn't do back then. 349 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was really the finest collection 350 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: of joint special ops I think to date at that point. 351 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: But what's really wonderful about the intent there was this 352 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: was America at its best. This is America just helping 353 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: other people. They were being are as a weapon by 354 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: factional clan fighting, and that's an athema to the American culture. 355 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: And we didn't have foreign interest there. It was an oil. 356 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: It was just trying to do the right thing. But 357 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know they're they're 358 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: difficult missions in a city of a million people. And 359 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: on the day that most people know as black Hawk Down, 360 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: which was just really the seventh mission we had executed 361 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: while we were there. Man, we went into the middle 362 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: of the city in the middle of the day with 363 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: two hundred guys, and I challenged any country in the 364 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: world to put two men in that same situation and 365 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: he have even one person walk out alive. And not 366 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: only did we come out alive, we accomplished the mission. 367 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: We just lost eighteen great Americans, including a good friend 368 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: of yours. I understand you knew Earl Fillmore, who was 369 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: a remarkable Delta Force operator. Yeah, Earl was. He was 370 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: one of those guys that you could be having the 371 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,239 Speaker 1: worst possible day and Earl would make you laugh and 372 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: he'd get you smiling. He was just he had that 373 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: kind of a personality. He was one of the funniest guys. 374 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: I remember we were on the same team in seventh 375 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: group before you know, he went to selection. We went 376 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: to language school together and he used to crack up 377 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: our language school instructors every single day. You know, I'll 378 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: never forget that because we were in Spanish language training 379 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: and the earl was just hilarious and uh yeah, he's 380 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: he's missed. Um, you know, well we lost a lot 381 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: of good people that day. But yeah, it's always interesting 382 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: to hear, you know, different people's perspective who were there. Um, 383 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: you had a story about Jerry Boykin and two. Uh well, 384 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: so yeah, it has has really nothing to do with 385 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 1: the objective or even the events of October three and fourth. 386 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: But early on we had this, uh the Sergeant Major's 387 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: senior listed guys from all the unit t F one 388 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: six D Delta we had are you the sts was there? 389 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: So I was there with my guys and they were 390 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: having this volleyball game between the commanders and the senior 391 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: listed guys. And so the plan was the volleyball game 392 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: and whoever lost had to serve up chow for the 393 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: entire task force was like f and fifty of us. 394 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: But the plan was before the game, a whole bunch 395 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: of us took down all the commanders and basically, you know, 396 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: Flexi tied um to either Stokes litters or or regular 397 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,479 Speaker 1: polish letters and you know regular standard you know, wooden litters, 398 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: and so, uh, myself, a couple other combat controllers and 399 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: a couple of steals from Seal Team six. We got 400 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: Jerry Boykin, who was the Delta Force commander at the time, 401 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: so we body slammed him to the asphalt, which was 402 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: a lot of fun in and of itself, but when 403 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: we were were we were scrapping him into a Stokes 404 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: later and he was putting up a pretty good fight, 405 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: but you know, he knew it was inevitable until one 406 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: of the steals broke out this Dick Marsenko Rogue Warrior 407 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: tank top and it's like, he sir, this is going on, 408 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: and he's like, there's no way you guys are putting 409 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,239 Speaker 1: that thing on me, and were like, all right, if 410 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: you want, so anyway, we we we got this over 411 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: his head and got him on him and then we 412 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: had him Flexi tied to the stokes and we stood 413 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: him up right like it was a gazelle. We've just 414 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: been out and uh like a trophy and there's you know, 415 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: I got this picture of us holding him up right 416 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: and he's like trying to hide his face. But you know, 417 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: later on when he was I think his use a 418 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: side commander, Um, I actually gave that too much persent 419 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: of he came out and spoke at another organization I 420 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: was in and he was like, you sign of a bitch. 421 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: Like no one's supposed to ever seen those photos. But 422 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: it was just a funny photo because here's the Delta 423 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: Force commander wearing a you know, Dick Marsenko Steel Team 424 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: Sticks T shirt. That's awesome. Yeah, he's uh, he's quite 425 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: the character to himself. He yes, he is. Well, I 426 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: could sit here and I could talk to you all 427 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: day long about different stuff with the you know, working 428 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: with special ops. But I know that you know, you 429 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: have a new book out and let's let's get into that. 430 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: You know, Um, this new books called the Power of Awareness, 431 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: and basically it's teaching people who maybe aren't trained in 432 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: taking a hard look at their own lives civilians type 433 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: of thing, and it's written in that in that way 434 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: to basically keep safe in your everyday life and tell 435 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: our listeners a little bit about the book and then well, 436 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: you've touched on the key for me. Uh, this book 437 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: came to me through my age and he's like, I 438 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: think you should write this book. And I said, I'm 439 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: not interested in writing that book. I don't think And 440 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot there's a lot of books that have 441 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: been out there on that um. And then I was 442 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: down in Mexico getting ready to raise in the Baja 443 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: one thousand. Our race truck and race car and all 444 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: our kids got stolen by Mexican car thieves while we 445 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: watched from six d away and I was like, man, 446 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: I had a bag, I can solve this problem right now, 447 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: but but a I didn't. And be I realized, I 448 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: can't believe I let this happen. And so I came 449 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: back and told my age and I'm like, hey, yeah, 450 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna write this book. And when I did research 451 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: on you know what other books around out there like this, 452 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: there's some really good ones. There's some most of them 453 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: are are mediocre or bad. They're either very self promotional, 454 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: or they're too technical, or they're trying to, you know, 455 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: demonstrate their expertise and it's a lot of ego, and 456 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: I wanted to write a book that the typical citizen 457 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: of the world would find useful. So the book is 458 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: easy to understand. The rules, there are six core rules. 459 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: They're easy to remember and implement in your life. And 460 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: I structured it that way because that's what's going to 461 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: have value to the tip coal person walking the planet. 462 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: Most people don't have the training you and I have, 463 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: and they don't think that way, and they don't have 464 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: to know how to prioritize and contingency plan. And so 465 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: I deliberately wrote away from military acronyms and and and 466 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: I pulled from a lot of people that I've had 467 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: the good fortune to work with CIA case officers, I've 468 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: known other special operators. Police detectives in particular, are very 469 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: valuable resources because they're always dealing with the aftermath of 470 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: a crime. And so I tried to pull the best 471 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: tactics from the best people in the world and then 472 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: instill that into the book. And hopefully that's what I've done. 473 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: And and really my goal is that someday I get 474 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: an email from someone who says, hey, this book saved 475 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: my life. But that's my objective and I'm very enthusiastic 476 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: about that because I think people can really learn from 477 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: the situational awareness and intuition and that's the foundation of 478 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: all personal safety, right. And you know, reading your book, um, 479 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: there's a lot of it's it's a lot of it's 480 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: common sense stuff that a lot of people just don't 481 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: They don't have it in their mindset, right, they don't 482 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: know not their fault. You know. For for a very 483 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: short amount of time after I got out, I used 484 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: to travel with the every wealthy family from California when 485 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: they travel around the world, and you know, one day 486 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: some of their friends said, well, how are you going to, 487 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: you know, keep these people safe in a bad situation? 488 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: And I used to tell them they hired me to 489 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: keep them out of the situation, getting that's what my 490 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: job is. It's not to be like some super Steven Segal, 491 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, kung fu master gunfighter. It's 492 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: to keep this from ever happening. And that's that's why 493 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: they hired me. And that when I read this book, 494 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: that's what came through. I thought loud and clear with this, 495 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: it's all about preventing it from happening in the first place. Yeah, 496 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: it's it's you know, my book is not about crapmaga 497 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: or constialed carry and those are things I touch on, 498 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: but that's not you know, the best battles are over 499 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: before the shot is fired by one side at the other. 500 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: And it's son zoo. I guess too. But I tend 501 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: not to fall into that philosophical uh you know, martial 502 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: philosophical path, because it's really about it's about people understanding 503 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: and honing situational awareness and listening to their intuition. Intuition 504 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: is inherent. You've got it, I've got it. Everyone listening 505 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: has it. But in the modern world, it has never 506 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: been a stay for time. To be a human, you're 507 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: less likely to be enslaved now or raped now, or 508 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: have all your possessions stolen, or be subject to a 509 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: war now than at any time in human history. That's 510 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: not to say the world's not full of criminals and conflict, 511 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: but the fact is you don't have to pay attention 512 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: to your intuition anymore. And for that reason, people subordinated 513 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,239 Speaker 1: and that's not healthy for you. Because the one thing 514 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: I learned that really surprised me in the course of 515 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,479 Speaker 1: writing the book, in my research when I was spending 516 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: a lot of time with L. A. P. D Um 517 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: that some detectives down there was that people always knew 518 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: what not to do, and yet they still walked across 519 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: that black hard parking lot at night or open the 520 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: apartment complex gate when they knew not to. And they 521 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: do that because they believe it's more important to be 522 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: socially polite or they don't want to look foolish, and 523 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: and that's that's wrong. And so in my book, one 524 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: of the things I think I've done that's innovative from 525 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: a from a personal safety book standpoint is there are 526 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: exercises in the book to help people understand what the 527 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: situational awareness is and how to break it down simply 528 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: and easily, and and how to to get back in 529 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: touch with their intuition. And I feel so strongly about 530 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: that that incorporated them into the book at the end 531 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: of these six rules that comprised the core of the book. 532 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: But I've also provided them for free on my website 533 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: because people who read the book, I want them. Six 534 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: months later, two friends are having a beer or or 535 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: two girlfriends are having a cocktail and they talk about it. 536 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: It's like I can't remember what he was talking about 537 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: when you're dining, or how to do surveillance detection and 538 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: these things that really can save your life. I want 539 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: them to be able to look at their phone, pull 540 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: it up, go to my website and say, oh yeah, 541 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: Dan Chilling books dot com. Here's what he was talking about, 542 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: because the only way they'll get better. And you know this, 543 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: Steve is practice, practice, practice, practice practice, And so if 544 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: I could make it accessible for people, I'm hoping they'll 545 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: come back and incorporate it into their lives. And that's 546 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: the goal of this book. I wasn't an easy thing 547 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: to do with my publisher, but but they're on board 548 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: with it too. You know, they know what I'm trying 549 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: to do here, right And you know in your book, 550 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: having read it, when you talk about being situationally aware, 551 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: there's um it's actually a two part thing that you 552 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: write about, and can you explain that a little bit 553 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: to I don't want to give too much of your 554 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: book away because we're encouraging our listeners go out and 555 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: buy it. But at the same time I think that 556 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: it's it's very interesting stuff here. Well, there's hold on, 557 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna we're gonna go to mute for second, because 558 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: of the garments. Trucks are gonna drive by here in 559 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: about ten seconds. That's okay, So yeah, okay, yeah, you're 560 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: gonna we'll have to we'll come back and kick start 561 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: that again. But give him just a second because he's 562 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: driving right by the front of the house. Um, yes, 563 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: that's it's a good thing to talk about here. Let 564 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: me just let him cruise on. Buy So, Steve, that's 565 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: a that's a great question. Situational awareness for me is 566 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: different than I think how most experts or or uh 567 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: espousers of situation awareness view it, because most people think 568 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: of it as a singular term, situational awareness, almost as 569 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: if it's one word, and I don't see it that way, 570 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: and I want the the civilian reader, or the business 571 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: traveler or the holiday vacation taker to to understand that 572 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: it's really two components. There's the situation, which is external 573 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: to you. Who's in your environment, what are they doing? 574 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: Are they interested in you? For good or bad? Are 575 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: you know? Are are things happening? And what's your place 576 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: in that environment? So that's external to who you are. 577 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: Then there's the internal aspect, which is what should my 578 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: appropriate level of awareness be? You know, you or in 579 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: your studio. I'm in my office, like I'm completely unaware 580 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: of everything that's going on out me if I choose 581 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: to be, because I'm not likely to be under threat 582 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: as opposed to say, just being open to an environment 583 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: that I think might be safe, like walking my my 584 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: local town where I'm just open to input as opposed 585 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: to walking through a strange city where I'm not under threat. 586 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: But I need to be attentive and those things are 587 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: internal to me, and I can control that, and that's 588 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: what people need to get in touch with. And those 589 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: are the exercises that I put in the book to 590 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: help people hone that so that becomes second nature that 591 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: you think about those things and not in a paranoid 592 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: everything is a threat kind of way. Because I'm not 593 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: a serious guy. I mean, I don't take many things 594 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: very seriously. I'm certainly not somber about this. I just 595 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: want people to to think about it in a positive 596 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: way and then begin to incorporate it. And I think 597 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: that's an easier way for the non military or security 598 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: professional to think about it, right And you know, uh, 599 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: in your book and as well as on your website, 600 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: you have six basic rules and again it's it's just 601 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: it sounds like it's very simple, but it's imperative for 602 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: people who want to be safe and who don't think 603 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: about this on a daily basis like professionals do, and 604 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: that's how they get in trouble because there's a perception 605 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: in modern society when people are confronted with a criminal 606 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,919 Speaker 1: act and this anecdotal, it's not scientific, but that hey, 607 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: this shouldn't be happening, because it shouldn't be happening. You 608 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: should be able to wander around, and you want to 609 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 1: be able to wander around, but that's different than than 610 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: what can happen, and so you need to be just 611 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: attuned so that as you were talking about when you 612 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: were doing this for a living on as a private 613 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: you know, contractor people don't get in that situation. Don't 614 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: put yourself at risk. And that's the core of my book, 615 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: Travel the World. The world is a wondrous place. It 616 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: meant to be explored and enjoyed with the people you love. 617 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: But to do that safely, you need to be more aware. 618 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: And that's the purpose of the book, and and it 619 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: builds on it from there. We don't have to delve 620 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: into it because it's better read on the page, and 621 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: I hope people buy copies of the book. If you 622 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: go to dance Link books dot com. You can get 623 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: signed copies from my local indie bookseller, but you can 624 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 1: get it anywhere, Barnes and Noble, even Amazon, it doesn't matter. 625 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: I'm a big supporter of Indian bookstores though, because I 626 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: think literature is very important and these people have a 627 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: great passion for it. And it's a hard business to 628 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 1: be in if you're not Amazon. And uh, and Amazon 629 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,919 Speaker 1: is convenient and it's it's does a lot of great 630 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: things for people, but uh, you know, when it comes 631 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: to reading, man, you learn more on a page than 632 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,760 Speaker 1: you will by listening to a podcast or watching something 633 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: on TV. It's it's interesting I've come to feel because 634 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: I read and I write every day that you know, 635 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: I've watched some very powerful movies that have impacted me 636 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: emotionally and and and and left impressions, but I've never 637 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: had one of those saved my life. And I've had 638 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: a book saved my life, and I've had other books 639 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: changed my life. And that's the power of the written word. 640 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's really important that people, 641 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, pick up a copy of the book because 642 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: I think it can save lives and I can keep 643 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: them safe. It's a better way to put it in. 644 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: I think that's a great, great way to put it. 645 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: And also I encourage all of our listeners out there 646 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: and our readers from suffragn uh to check out Dan's 647 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: website because for those of you who who might not 648 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: be as as well trained as others, he has exercises 649 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: that you can download about situational awareness intuition like he 650 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: just mentioned, as well as checklist when you know you 651 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: travel on a hotel or traveling in general. Uh. That 652 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: are absolutely really really good stuff to know because it's 653 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: all about keeping you safe and enjoying yourself safely. And 654 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 1: I used to tell people all the time, don't put 655 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: yourself out there like a victim. Don't be staring at 656 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: your phone when you're walking down the street late at night, 657 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: because that's the kind of people that put a target 658 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: on themselves. And and that is the vast majority of 659 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: people on any given day. You know, we're all we're 660 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: all guilty. I'll go out on a limb and say, 661 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: I'll bet Steve you have texted while driving, because I 662 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,280 Speaker 1: do right there is not a there's not a smart 663 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: phone owning human in the world who isn't guilty of that, 664 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: who also owns a car. But the point is not 665 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: to give up your phone, but just as you shouldn't 666 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 1: do it in heavy traffic or at all, I guess. 667 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: But when you are in a strange city and you're 668 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: in the wrong time zone, your circadian rhythm is off. 669 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: Everything else is is out of whack. People can identify 670 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: you as not from around here for whatever reason. Never 671 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: look at your phone, you know, unless you're parked in 672 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: someplace safe hotel lobby, or there's a couple of you 673 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: and you're trying to figure out where to go next. 674 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: You don't walk and stare at your phone doing the 675 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: Google Maps thing, because that just says I would like 676 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: to be your next victim if you're a criminal. And 677 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: that's the important question. When should I look at my phone? 678 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 1: And when should I not? But those are subsets, you know. 679 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: The more important thing is that's a poor decision based 680 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 1: on you're not actually practicing situational awareness. Because you're being unaware, 681 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: you're blinding one if not two of your most important senses, 682 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:37,839 Speaker 1: site and hearing. It's uh, great stuff. There and tell 683 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,879 Speaker 1: our listeners. I know you mentioned it a minute ago, 684 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: you know, Dan Chilling books dot com. Is there anywhere 685 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: else they can find this? Uh? But I mean you 686 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: know it's it's out in bookstairs on June second. Um, 687 00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:01,919 Speaker 1: you can pick up copies anywhere and now it comes 688 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: out next Tuesday. Um. So for for folks, the book 689 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: is the best resource. Uh. It's it is the way 690 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: I hope to reach people. I'm I'm doing some videos. 691 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: I've actually founded a however awareness institute. Were in the 692 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: early stages of developing curriculum. We're hoping to help corporations 693 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: and individuals. It's not really for the military, professional or 694 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,359 Speaker 1: law enforcement community of the there's value there too. It's 695 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: to provide these for folks. So that will be up 696 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 1: and running and it's my my p o A dot 697 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 1: org is the website, but it's not up yet, but 698 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: we are in the stages of doing that. But it's 699 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: the book. Even the institute that we're founding surrounded it 700 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: surrounds the principles that are contained in the book. And 701 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: I think books are such a valuable means for people 702 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: to learn, and they're handy references. It's a it's not 703 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: a thick book. There's interesting science in there, but I 704 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: don't bog down a lot of science like the amygdal 705 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,959 Speaker 1: and all this stuff that what is the actual lizard brain? 706 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: For guys like you and me, Steve, like, we're not 707 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 1: gonna remember that stuff. Come on, look at me. I'm not. 708 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: You know, I can't remember. I'm gonna scientist. But I 709 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,399 Speaker 1: do know that I can make that important for people 710 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: to understand that, hey, you act this way under one 711 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 1: set of circumstances and that way under another set of circumstances. 712 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: And those are the things that are in the book 713 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: in an easy way way to understand. And and there's 714 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: some really entertaining stories in there as well as some 715 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: cautionary tales. But hopefully it's an entertaining read as well. 716 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 1: You know, as an author, my job is to educate 717 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: but also entertained. I want people to enjoy the read. 718 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,760 Speaker 1: And I think it's a I think it's a lively book. Yeah, 719 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: it definitely was. And you know, uh, you mentioned one 720 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: of your anecdotes, and they're even trained professionals sometimes make mistakes, 721 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: as what happened to you in Mexico, um and it 722 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: was during a base jump right, You and your partner 723 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: were getting ready to do a base jump and you 724 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 1: made a mistake and your your stuff it's stolen. Yep, 725 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,359 Speaker 1: yeah we're actually speed flying. Not so we weren't based 726 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: on Yeah, we we made we made a series. Like 727 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: any plane crash or crime act, it's a convergence of 728 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: things that all arrive at a single point in time 729 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 1: that allows a bad thing to happen. And uh, you 730 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 1: know you gotta if you can break one item in 731 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: that chain, you'll stop you'll stop the the accident or 732 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: the attack. And you know it's really about that. But yeah, 733 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: so you know it's hopefully it's a good read. You know, 734 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: there's there's some funny stories in there about a lot 735 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: of other things, including intuition. You know how you can 736 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 1: use that. Um, I've intuition to save my life on 737 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: a couple of occasions. But the one of the things 738 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: I emphasized in the book about intuition and the avoidance 739 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: of crime is that you'll never really know how close 740 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: you came, because if nothing happened, you're doing everything right, 741 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,760 Speaker 1: So you can't really prove a negative. But that's the trick, 742 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 1: and you have to be aware that if nothing's happening. 743 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: You're doing things right. And that's why, for many reasons, 744 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: it's easier for a non professional to listen to their intuition. 745 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: Then it is a group of professionals who are very 746 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 1: focused on an objective to listen to intuition, because intuition 747 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: can be disruptive to what you've planned to do. But 748 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: the thing about intuition, and I rarely speak in absolutes, 749 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: but that is absolutely true about it, is two things. One, 750 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:36,479 Speaker 1: if you're reacting to something that means there's something existential there. 751 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 1: You may not consciously know what it is. You may 752 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: just get a bad feeling and you can't put your 753 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: finger on it, but you can guarantee you're responding to 754 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: something existential. And number two is it is in your 755 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,879 Speaker 1: best interest to listen to that voice. And that's why 756 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 1: I put exercises about intuition in the book to help 757 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,240 Speaker 1: people get back in touch with that and to start 758 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,760 Speaker 1: listening to that little, tiny voice. And every time every 759 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: one of us, even professionals, make mistakes, is when we 760 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: ignore that intuition over and over again. That's it. Dan, Hey, 761 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,919 Speaker 1: I could sit here and talk to you all day long. 762 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,879 Speaker 1: I know you're a busy man. I want to thank 763 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: you for joining us today on Software Pradio. We really 764 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 1: appreciate your time, and uh we encourage all of our 765 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: readers to buy Dan's book, The Power of Awareness. It 766 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,280 Speaker 1: comes out. I was gonna say June one again June two, 767 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: but especially for those who aren't uh you know, trained 768 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: military type personnel. For the civilians out there, this is 769 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,359 Speaker 1: a really good book, especially if you do a lot 770 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,720 Speaker 1: of traveling, but it will help you in everyday life. 771 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,360 Speaker 1: When you go downtown. We all know there's bad folks 772 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: out there, so um, this will keep you safe and 773 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,920 Speaker 1: it may just save your life. So Dan, thanks again 774 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 1: for joining us today. We really appreciate it. Steve, It's 775 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: been my pleasure. And for folks that are listening, I'll 776 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: be in Fort Walton Beach on Herbert Field on June four, 777 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 1: but for anyone from the soft community, I'll be Fort 778 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: Bragg June five. I'll be in Southern Pines at the 779 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: Country Bookshop at nine am. If you just google the 780 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: Country Bookshop there in Southern Pines, I'd love to meet you. 781 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,360 Speaker 1: I'm doing an hour long presentation. We're gonna talk about 782 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: personal safety, but the final thing I'd leave you with 783 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: Steve and all your listeners is you know, the skills 784 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 1: that are in this are not just about defensive actions 785 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: and and avoidance of crime, situational awareness and intuition. They're 786 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: very positive things there. How you make great business strategy, 787 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: how you can forge business relationships, how you can even 788 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: find love. So I think it's it's a lot more 789 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: valuable than just that, and I hope people get a 790 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: positive takeaway from the book. But keep up the great work. 791 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: You guys are doing a fantastic job with your show, 792 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: and I appreciate you having me on anytime, and we'd 793 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 1: love to have you back on in the future. Happy 794 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: to do it, just hit me up all right. For 795 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: all of us here at software at Bradio, we want 796 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,439 Speaker 1: to thank you all for listening. Thanks to our guests, 797 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 1: Dan Chilling. We'll be back with another podcast real soon. 798 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,360 Speaker 1: Love them listening to self rep Lydia