1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: On this episode of Newsworld, The new documentary Get the 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Jew The Crown Heights Riot Revisited sheds light on the 3 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: worst anti Semitic riot in American history, which occurred in 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: New York City in nineteen ninety one. After a car 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: crash in which a Hasidic Jewish driver accident, a hit 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: and killed a black child, rioters set upon the local 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Jewish neighborhood in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. Jews were attacked in 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: the streets along with Jewish stores, homes, and cars. One 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: Hasidic man who was stabbed to death. Mayored David Dinkins 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: in the New York Police Department allowed the riot to 11 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: rage for three full nights, egged on by racial provocateurs, 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: while many in the media played down or excused the 13 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: anti Semitism at the heart of the violence. The film 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: was part of a new series produced by The Wall 15 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: Street Journal's Opinion Docks series and is available on YouTube 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: dot org. Here to talk about the film, I'm really 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: pleased to welcome back my guest and good friend, Michael Pack. 18 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: He is a documentary filmmaker and the president and CEO 19 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: of Palladium Pictures. Michael, welcome and thank you for joining 20 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: me on Nuts World. 21 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on newt Michael. 22 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: Can you describe Crown Heights historically for us? 23 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 3: I think that's a good question because the background of 24 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: Crown Heights is important to understand the Crown Heights riots 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 3: of nineteen ninety one. So Crown Heights, Brooklyn had historically 26 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 3: been a Jewish neighborhood, and there were different sects and 27 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 3: kinds of Jews that were there, Conservative, Reformed, Orthodox. But 28 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: then in the sixties, black people started moving in, and 29 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,559 Speaker 3: there was the phenomenon of white flight, not uncommon throughout 30 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: New York City, and in fact, black people moved in 31 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 3: and middle class white people moved out, often in this 32 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 3: case to Long Island or the Bronx. However, one group 33 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 3: of Jewish people did not move out, and that was 34 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 3: Khabad Lubavich, which is a kind of Hasidics act that 35 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 3: had an internationally famous rabbi, the Rebbi Menachem Sheerson, and 36 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: he had fled the Holocaust, and he was a world 37 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 3: famous religious leader. Heads of Israel, presidents in the United 38 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 3: States consulted and visited him, and he said he had 39 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 3: fled the Holocaust, and he said, we live here we're 40 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 3: not moving out. We can get along with the black 41 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: people who've moved in. 42 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: We are staying. So they stayed. 43 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: And meanwhile, a lot of especially Haitian people and people 44 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: from the Islands, had moved in, and a lot of 45 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: Guyanese people. And there was tension throughout the sixties and seventies, 46 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 3: And that was a period in New York City where 47 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 3: there was violence in general, and there was violence in 48 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 3: Crown Heights. Crown Heights was a poor neighborhood. The Jews 49 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: there were poor and the Blacks there were poor, and 50 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 3: there were tension, there was violence, and there was a 51 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: feeling among some of the black people in that neighborhood 52 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: that maybe the Jews were getting a better shape from 53 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 3: the city. They seemed to be doing better than their 54 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 3: black neighbors. The Jews might attribute it to harder work, 55 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 3: the Blacks might attribute it to favors from the city. Anyway, 56 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: tensions were strong, rising into the seventies and eighties, and 57 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 3: then right before the Crown Heights riot, there was in 58 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 3: New York City in general, a wave of black nationalism. 59 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: Prior news item of this sort that was covered at 60 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: the time concerned Leonard Jeffries, who is Haking Jeffries, the 61 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 3: current Minority leader of the House's uncle, and he had 62 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 3: been the head of African American studies at the City 63 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 3: University of New York, and he had made controversial anti 64 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 3: submitted comments. He called white people ice people and black 65 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 3: people some people implied that they were completely different. One 66 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 3: was good, one was bad. He talked about Jewish people 67 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 3: being involved in the slave trade and being responsible for 68 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: this and that ill and this was highly controversial at 69 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 3: the time. It was also the time that Lewis Farakhan 70 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 3: was much in the news with similar comments, so tensions 71 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 3: were high leading into the summer of nineteen ninety one, 72 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 3: which was a very hot summer in New York. 73 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: How much do you think something as simple as the heat, 74 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: the lack of air conditioning, and people living in tenements 75 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: with no place to go, how much that just the 76 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: physical discomfort contribute to what would happen. 77 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: I think it has a lot to do with it. 78 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 3: You know, people were hot, they were uncomfortable, and they 79 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 3: were out on the streets. I mean, this was somewhat 80 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 3: similar to the George Floyd riots, where people were out 81 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 3: on the street because they had been cooped up in COVID. 82 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: So a lot of those things I think exacerbate pre 83 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 3: existing tensions, and that was certainly true for this hot 84 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 3: summer in August of nineteen ninety one. 85 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: What was the trigger point? I mean, why did this 86 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: suddenly explode? 87 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 3: Well, the Rebbi Menachem Schneerson every month visited the graves 88 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 3: of his recently deceased wife and his predecessor several miles 89 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 3: away in Queen's and then he would go there every month, 90 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: and he was accompanied by a police escort because he 91 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 3: was an internationally known and important religious figure. 92 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: So he was coming back. 93 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: There was a police escort in front. His car was 94 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 3: number two, and a third car was behind him with 95 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: Yosa Flish, one of his assistants, and two others, and 96 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 3: they were. 97 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 2: Going through a light. Some say it was yellow, some 98 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 2: say it was red. 99 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 3: And the first two cars went through what was green, 100 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 3: and this third car, driven by Yosa Fish either ran 101 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: the yellow or the red to follow. The police car 102 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: was flashing its lights and sirens, and he may well 103 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: have thought he still had the ok to go ahead, 104 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 3: but he crashed into another car and he careened off. 105 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: That other car hit some say a pillar, and then 106 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: he smashed off that pillar and then pinned two young 107 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 3: Guyanese children who were playing with their bicycles on the street, 108 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 3: and they got pinned under his car. One of them 109 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 3: later died, Gavin Cato, and one of them his cousin, 110 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: later lived. 111 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: But there was this crash, and right. 112 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 3: Away, because it was a hot summer and people were 113 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: on the street, crowds gathered and people were shouting. 114 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 2: He did it on purpose. 115 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 3: The Jewish ambulance that came first left without treating the 116 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 3: black people. The Jews are getting away with something. We've 117 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 3: got to punish the Jews. And in fact, you know, 118 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 3: Charles Price, one of the people there, really whipped up 119 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 3: the crowd and said, you. 120 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: Know, let's go get the Jews and mobs the. 121 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 3: Black people then went out through Crown Heights and three 122 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 3: hours later the accident happened at eight. At about eleven 123 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 3: that night, this crowd with Charles Price ran into a 124 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 3: Hasidic student who happened not to be Abade, but a 125 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 3: Hasidic student who was dressed in the black hat and 126 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: the black coat that clearly marked him as Jewish. And 127 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 3: they said there's a Jew, let's get them, hence their 128 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 3: title get the Jew and they ganged up on them. 129 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 3: They beat him and one of them had a knife, 130 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: Lemerick Nelson, and he stabbed Jackel Rosenbaum multiple times. And 131 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 3: then jackle Rosenbaum was taken to a hospital and died, 132 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 3: but the riots continued. That was the day one of 133 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 3: the riots. 134 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: But let me say this a second, he goes if 135 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: I understand it, Grecly Rosenbaum is a Jewish University of 136 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: Melbourne student. 137 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: Yes, he's from Australia. He was a graduate student doing 138 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: his studies on anti Semitism and treatment of Jews, and 139 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 3: he was researching that in the United States. That's right. 140 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: He clearly has nothing to do except he's a random target. 141 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: It's an additional tragedy about this whole event. We go ahead. 142 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 3: That was day one, which ended really in Jack Rosenbaum's death. 143 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 3: But by day two Al Sharpton and other people had 144 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: come in from other burrows. Al Sharpton says he was 145 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 3: invited by Gavin Kato's father who had been killed, and 146 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 3: there were then riots and it whipped up a frenzy 147 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 3: and the police seemed to be standing around and doing nothing. 148 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 3: And that went on for days, days until the police chief, 149 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: the first black police chief in the first Black Mayor 150 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 3: David Dinkins were themselves attacked and then they said let's 151 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 3: end the riot, and it ended three hours later. So 152 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 3: one of the questions the documentary poses is why the delay, 153 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: Why the unwillingness to stop this riot. 154 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: Why do you think the police chief and the mayor 155 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: took that position. 156 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: We asked the question in the film, But to my mind, 157 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 3: it is because they were afraid of taking on the 158 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 3: left wing of their party, the Black nationalists, the radical wing. 159 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: They just felt they could not offend them. You know. Significantly, 160 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: the mayor David Dinkins went to the funeral of Gavin 161 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: Cato as well he should, but he did not attend 162 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,599 Speaker 3: the funeral of the ankle Rosenbaum, and I think he 163 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: felt that he couldn't offend this wing of his party 164 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 3: and he let it go, I believe nude. It's also 165 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 3: somewhat parallel to what happened on college campuses recently, where 166 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 3: there was anti Semitic chance and harassment of students and 167 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 3: college presidents felt they couldn't act. 168 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: In your judgment, is the depth of anti semitism that 169 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: deep in the system, and we've just been underestimating it. 170 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: Because it doesn't spring forth. 171 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 3: I think it is pretty deep. And you know, I'm Jewish, 172 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 3: and it's always shocking when it kind of rises to 173 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 3: the surface, as it did in the campus as recently, 174 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: and as it did in Frown Heights in nineteen ninety one. 175 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: I think it's prett shocking. 176 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 3: And I hear from my Abad connections in Crown Heights 177 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 3: that their view is it's an ongoing problem. They feel 178 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,599 Speaker 3: it's happened continuously since nineteen ninety one. It may be 179 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 3: at a peak now, but in their mind never stops. 180 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: It's a very hard phenomenon to explain, but it does 181 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: run deep. 182 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: What was the role of the news media for those 183 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: two or three days. Was there media condemnation of the 184 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: riots or was the media also intimidated. 185 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: We interviewed New York Times reporter Ari Goldman, who covered 186 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 3: the riots for the New York Times, and he says 187 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 3: that he would call into the New York Times in 188 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: those days, you would go out on the field, do 189 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: the reporting, phone it in to your editor, and the 190 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: editor would write it up and put on a headline. 191 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 3: So Ari would say he would be phoning it in 192 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 3: and the headlines would come back, you know, Blacks and 193 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 3: Jews fight in Crown Heights. And after days of this, 194 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 3: Ari said, we're getting it wrong. It's not blacks and 195 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 3: Jews are fighting each other. Blacks are beating up Jews. 196 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 3: That's what's happening. That's the story. But The New York 197 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 3: Times was resistant to covering it that way. And this 198 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 3: is sort of shocking to. 199 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: Most of us. 200 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 3: I mean, the New York Times owned by Jewish people. 201 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 3: You think they would want to cover it in the 202 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 3: straightforward manner that it was required to be covered. 203 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: But that did not happen. 204 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 3: A lie to that is the failure of a lot 205 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: of mainstream Jewish organizations to condemn it. A Foxman, who 206 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 3: is then the head of the ADL, the Anti Defamation League, 207 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 3: apologized for not condemning it at the time. 208 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 2: Was that in part. 209 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: Because the core group that was involved were seen as 210 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: outside the mainstream of most American Jews or was there 211 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: sort of a sense of their different Yeah, I think that's. 212 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 2: Exactly what it was. Newte They're different. 213 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 3: They dress like they were in eighteenth century Poland, they 214 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 3: speak Yiddish, they don't live on the Upper East Side 215 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 3: or the Upper West Side, they don't go to zabar 216 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 3: As they're culturally different. This is just happening to them 217 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 3: way over there in Brooklyn, not our problem. But as 218 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 3: those very same people found this last year during these 219 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 3: protests on college campuses, that their own sons and daughters 220 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 3: are not immune to harassment along those lines too. And 221 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 3: it's never just those Jews over there, not for the 222 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 3: more liberal Jews, and not for the non Jews either. 223 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: It's interesting also that has hitting Jews in Crown Heights 224 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: decided that they would take it and stay and fight 225 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: it out. And to the best of my knowledge, they're 226 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: still overwhelmingly in Crown Heights. 227 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 3: On they they are overwhelmingly in Crown Heights. I will 228 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 3: say that the Crown Heights neighborhood, just to update our 229 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: earlier discussion of this, has now been pretty gentrified. I mean, 230 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 3: it was a rough neighborhood in the seventies, eighties and 231 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: into the nineties. It's not such a rough neighborhood now. 232 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: I mean it can be rough at moments, but it's 233 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: really much more gentrified. Apartments are much more expensive. 234 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: But that did not stop. 235 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 3: Our film ends with a stabbing in Crown Heights just 236 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 3: this last month, where another young Hasidic man was stabbed 237 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 3: by a black man saying free Palestine and do you 238 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 3: want to die stabbed. 239 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: Luckily, this time he was. 240 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 3: Stabbed and suffered only minor wounds. But it's the same 241 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 3: thing again and again in Crown Heights. So it's changed, 242 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 3: but some things are staying the same, and not good things. 243 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: You point out that when finally Mary Dinkins does go 244 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: to Crown Heights to tell a crowd not to use violence, 245 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: they attacked him. 246 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 3: Indeed, I mean that's the thing. There's now appeasing these people. 247 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 3: I mean, that is the problem that Democrats have with 248 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 3: the left wing of their party. They cannot be appeased. 249 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 3: It's a tricky thing. Even if you politically want to 250 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 3: appease them, it kind of can't be done. Whatever Mery 251 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 3: Dinkins did was not enough for them. Bottles were thrown him, 252 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 3: his black police chief had his car attacked. He had 253 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 3: to call for help. So it was at that point 254 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: that they called for the riot to end. 255 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: And did they just ended with the New York Police Department. 256 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, they called in Ray Kelly, who was then a 257 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 3: deputy police chief later to be police chief, and said, 258 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 3: and the riot and he did the things that you 259 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 3: do to end riots. At the time, he brought in horses, 260 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 3: he blocked off streets with big vans. He didn't just 261 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 3: let people run loose. And within hours, according to Ray Kelly, 262 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 3: who we interviewed, it ended within hours. So it wasn't 263 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 3: that hard to end. I mean, the demonstrations went on, 264 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 3: the tensions went on, but the rioting ended. 265 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: I mean I always thought, for example, with the various 266 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: Columbia University, he would take one day of seriousness and 267 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: the whole thing would collapse, but the leadership won't be serious. 268 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: That's right. 269 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 3: I think at Colombia they kind of waffled. They sent 270 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 3: in the police, and they apologized for sending in the police. 271 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 3: And you know, you can't have it every which way, 272 00:14:58,920 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: and that's really a problem. 273 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: It's a psychological challenge. They want to be loved, but 274 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: they also want to be authorities. 275 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: That's correct, and you can't do both. 276 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: So from Dinkin's standpoint, what was the effect on him 277 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: politically after the riot, Well, we. 278 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 3: Believe that it's one of the reasons he lost the 279 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 3: next mayoral election to Rudy Giuliani. As Elliot Kaufman, the 280 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 3: Well Street Journal opinion writer whose work this is based on, 281 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 3: points out you would think that he would lose a 282 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 3: lot of the Jewish vote, but he only lost three 283 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 3: percent of the Jewish vote compared to his previous election. 284 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 3: He lost votes among white ethnics in the outer boroughs 285 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 3: like Staten Island and Queens who just didn't like to 286 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 3: see riots in their city, and that turned it for 287 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 3: Rudy Giuliani, who ran on a law and order campaign. 288 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: So it did not work. 289 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 3: And I don't actually think appeasing your violent friend ever works. 290 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 3: It looks like it's going to work, it looks like 291 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 3: it can be a balancing act, but it doesn't work well. 292 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: And there are also a lot of good lessons through 293 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: that in the Middle East. Indeed, which is why I'm 294 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: very much for what net Yahoo's doing, and I think 295 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: that it's nice to find it policy based on reality 296 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: and not on fantasy. I was only surprised by the 297 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: way on your research, I didn't realize how close it 298 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: was with everything that had gone wrong, the city is 299 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: still so democratic that Rudy barely wins. 300 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: That's a good point. 301 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I think one of the problems in American 302 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 3: cities is that so many of them are just one 303 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 3: party cities where the other party has which is usually 304 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 3: the Republican Party, has no chance, and it's very tough 305 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 3: to have a one party anything. You know, there's corruption, 306 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 3: there's just kind of laziness, there's extremes. I think this 307 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 3: was what happened to many of the cities across the 308 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: country during the George Floyd protests. They're run by a 309 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: democratic elite that is crippled, but you know, is looking 310 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 3: to protecting their extreme than anyone in the middle. It's 311 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 3: an amazing thing in a way that Rudy Giuliotti did 312 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 3: win that election, and in fact he turned the city around. 313 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's one of the great success stories of 314 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: the late twentieth century. Why did you decide to do 315 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: a documentary specifically about the Crown Heights riot. 316 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 3: Well, it's part of this new collaboration that my company, 317 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: Plating Pictures has with the Wall Street Journal Opinion section, 318 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 3: and we have collaborated to do a series of documentaries, 319 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 3: maybe three to six a year that will tell stories 320 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 3: that maybe the mainstream media has ignored or misreported, or 321 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 3: simply have failed to notice. These are stories that I 322 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 3: think are important to tell. We want to tell them 323 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 3: in this same format of twenty to thirty minute short documentaries. 324 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 3: This is a format pioneered by the New York Times 325 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 3: op docs. The Atlantic has a series like that, The 326 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 3: New Yorker has a series like that, and they all 327 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 3: come from a progressive left perspective. So where are the 328 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 3: stories that Wolfty Journal opinion readers might think are important, 329 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 3: that have maybe been forgotten like the Crown Heights riot, 330 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: but are relevant today. And there are a whole bunch 331 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 3: of those that are left on a table, from stories 332 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 3: about the George Floyd protests or COVID recent past to 333 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety one. And we need to understand our history 334 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 3: if we're not going to repeat it, and in the 335 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 3: Crown Heights case, it looks like we are repeating it. 336 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 2: So it's good to. 337 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 3: Learn those lessons, and it's important to tell those stories. 338 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 3: And although this is a partnership with the Wolfstet Journal 339 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 3: Opinion section, we aspire to tell these stories in a straightforward, 340 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 3: fact based narrative way, which I think we've done with 341 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: the Crown Heights story. 342 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: You make a point that the rise in anti Semitism 343 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: is happening in France, It's happening in Britain as well 344 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: as the United States. I mean, there's something really dangerous. 345 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: I think about the wave we're currently living through. It 346 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: has the potential to do current and permanent damage. 347 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 2: I think it really does. 348 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 3: I think it may be comforting to some to think 349 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 3: of it as only anti Semitism, but I think it's 350 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 3: almost always closely allied to fear of the modern world 351 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 3: and closely allied to hatred of America, as it is 352 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 3: in the Middle East, you know, the Little Satan in 353 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 3: the Great Satan Israel. In America, these are tied to 354 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 3: other really dangerous ideas. That it's bad enough anti Semitism 355 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 3: per se, but it doesn't even stop there. And you're right, 356 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 3: it's in worldwide phenomena. 357 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: So when somebody sees this film, do you have a 358 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: message you hope they'll leave with. 359 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 3: I hope that they can see current events through this lens, 360 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 3: understand that this sort of pattern has a history. Instead 361 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 3: of man that it not be repeated, demand that our 362 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 3: leader shows some courage, you know, not let this go on. 363 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 3: That's sort of the message. Of course, we also want 364 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 3: people who see it to continue to watch of our 365 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 3: upcoming Wall Street Journal opinion docs. 366 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: Well, so I was going to ask you that do 367 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: you have any notion yet of what some future topics 368 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: might be. 369 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 3: We do. The very next one is almost finished, and 370 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 3: it's a documentary about the prime ministership of Liz Trust, 371 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 3: who is the shortest lived prime minister in British history 372 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 3: forty four days, and we tell the story of her 373 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 3: time as Prime Minister. 374 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: It's called The Prime Minister Versus. 375 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 3: The Blob because Liz Trust feels that she was done 376 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 3: in by the British version of the administrative State or 377 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 3: the swamp, which they call the Blob. Actually, I think 378 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 3: a better name for it. So we have her tell 379 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 3: how that worked out, to play it out, and we 380 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 3: have some people who disagree with her, from both her 381 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 3: own party, the Tory Party and the Labor Party making 382 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 3: the opposite case. But it includes a very long interview 383 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 3: with Liz Trust and explains her point of view, and 384 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 3: I think it's an important point of view, and that 385 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 3: this way it's just like Crown Heights, it's got an 386 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 3: American parallel. 387 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: There are people that I know, and. 388 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 3: I'm sure we both know, who feel that President Trump's 389 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 3: problem with the administrative State had to do with his 390 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 3: unusual personality of his governing style and maybe his lack 391 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 3: of knowledge about government. But Liz trust is like the 392 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 3: opposite of Donald Trump. She's a completely different personality. She's 393 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 3: been in government a long time. If she too is 394 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 3: done in by the administrative state, it shows you that's 395 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 3: a problem with the sort of elites across the West. 396 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 3: So that one's coming up in November. 397 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: I find her to be a very interesting person and 398 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: I think that probably the Tory Party would have been 399 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: better off had she survived. 400 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 3: I think that is true. Certainly they couldn't be worse off. 401 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 3: The idea that they fixed those problems is not what happened. 402 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 3: And now they have the Labor Party, so that can 403 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 3: happen to us too. We also have coming up up 404 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 3: something I mentioned to you in our last podcast. I 405 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 3: think my son Thomas was on too. We have this 406 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 3: incubator to train young right of center Thomas lakes to say, 407 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 3: non woke filmmakers. We had a class of four this 408 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 3: year and we're accepting new applicants on our website, which 409 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 3: is pladio pictures dot com. But the first four have 410 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 3: finished their films and they're also short films, and they're 411 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 3: also on important and neglected topics, and I hope we 412 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 3: can come back and discuss them when those films are 413 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 3: finished too. 414 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: Gladium Pictures as an incubator project, and so somebody who's 415 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: listening to us, who knows some young person who'd like 416 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: to get into film, they want to go to Pladium 417 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: Pictures to look at what you're doing and how to apply. 418 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 3: That's right, it has an apply now button. We encourage 419 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 3: anyone to apply. I mean they don't have to be 420 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 3: young exactly. In our first class of four, we had 421 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 3: a lot of people who had done other kinds of 422 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 3: video work, perhaps for other organizations, think tanks or corporations, 423 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 3: had never done a real documentary. So this was their 424 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 3: chance to make their passion project and to learn storytelling, 425 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 3: not just corporate work and not just advocacy work, but 426 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 3: storytelling with real journalism and reporting behind it, which I 427 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 3: think is important. I think it's the right way to 428 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 3: make documentaries. But it's also important if you want to 429 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 3: reach people who are in the middle of the country, 430 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 3: who are undecided, who are maybe not complete partisans of 431 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 3: one side or the other. 432 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: I think if you tell straightforward, fact. 433 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 3: Based stories, those people can be both engaged and have 434 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 3: their minds changed. 435 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: Well, and people who want to see more about this 436 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: can go to Palladium Pictures dot com. You've been one 437 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: of the pioneer conservative filmmakers. 438 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 2: How long have you been doing this? 439 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 3: Well, my wife doesn't like me to say this, but 440 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 3: I started my company, my first company, Manifold Productions, in 441 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy seven, a long time ago, writs to say 442 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 3: she was a little child. 443 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: Both of you were children at the time. 444 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 2: That lasts for children, It's been a long time. 445 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 3: I will say that I think recently the conservative movement 446 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 3: as a whole has woken up to the need to 447 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 3: tell stories through film and documentary and not just books 448 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 3: and think tanks and white papers. I would like to 449 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 3: return the compliment nude in that I think you and 450 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 3: Callista have done more than your part in this area too, 451 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 3: and you are one of the few who, in addition 452 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 3: to all your other work, also have time to make 453 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 3: documentary films and recognize its importance. But the conservative movement 454 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 3: has been slow to do that, and I think to 455 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 3: its detriment and to the detriment of the country. Country 456 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 3: needs two sides, not just one. 457 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: I think what you're doing is an extraordinary, important contribution. 458 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: And I hope that this new generation of conservative directors 459 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: and producers that you're helping grow are going to play 460 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: a major role in getting the country to learn and 461 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: to be healthier in better place. And I think that's 462 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: really really important. 463 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 3: I completely agree with I mean, one of the important things. 464 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 3: We need to wake up the whole conservative movement because 465 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 3: the left has an entire ecosystem supporting their filmmakers from 466 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 3: film schools which are all woke progressive institutions. Some of 467 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 3: them advertised that they train people who. 468 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 2: Make advocacy videos. 469 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 3: So there are four thousand colleges and universities around the 470 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: country graduating tens of thousands of want to be filmmakers 471 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 3: progressive filmmakers a year. And from there they go on 472 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 3: to have funding sources from the Ford Foundation, the Carthur Foundation, 473 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 3: and distributors that specialize in social justice films, to film 474 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 3: festivals like sun Dance that are woke, and so there's 475 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 3: an entire structure and the left has built it up 476 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: by investing their time, money, and creativity in it for 477 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 3: the last fifty years. We need to catch up and 478 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 3: do exactly what they're doing with our ideas instead of 479 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 3: their ideas. I always say they're to be commended for 480 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 3: fighting for their ideas. That's what you're supposed to do. 481 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 2: We need to fight for. 482 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 3: Hours, and it's so the responsibility of people who are 483 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 3: conservative to do that and not blame the left. 484 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: I think you're entirely right, and I hope some of 485 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: our listeners will take this to heart and both support 486 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: rising young conservative filmmakers and in a couple cases, maybe 487 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: actually become a filmmaker. And they can do that in 488 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: part by communicating with you through Palladium Pictures dot com. Michael, 489 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: I want to thank you for joining me and your 490 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: new film Get the Jew The Crown Heights Riot Revisited 491 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: is a stunning look back at the worst antisemitic ride 492 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: in American history, which occurred amazingly in New York City 493 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety one, and our listeners can watch the 494 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: film by going to YouTube dot com slash at Wsjopinion. 495 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on nute. 496 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest Michael Pack. You can get 497 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: a link to watch his new film Get the Jew 498 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: the Crown Heights f I had revisited on our show 499 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: page at Newtsworld dot com. Newsworld is produced by Gingrish 500 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: three sixty and iHeartMedia. Our executive producer is Guernsey Sloan 501 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: and our researcher is Rachel Peterson. The artwork for the 502 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: show was created by Steve Penley. Special thanks to the 503 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: team at Gingris three sixty. If you've been enjoying Newtsworld, 504 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: I hope you'll go to Apple Podcast and both rate 505 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: us with five stars and give us a review so 506 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: others can learn what it's all about. 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