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Speaker 1: Good morning. This is Nancy Pelosi, just kidding. It's George

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Speaker 1: Severis and I have two huge announcements. One is that

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Speaker 2: Podcast starts now. Today is a red letter day because

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Speaker 2: we are recording, and you know, in the grand scheme

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Speaker 2: of time, those days come but once in a while,

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Speaker 2: and so I'm taking it's.

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Speaker 1: Like my it's like my fourth grade teacher used to say,

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Speaker 1: when you have a disappointment or something, it's just a

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Speaker 1: dot on the wall of life. Have you ever heard

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Speaker 1: that before?

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Speaker 2: So powerful? I've never heard that in my life. Why

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Speaker 2: have so many dots?

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Speaker 1: Well? Exactly or does it have Well, that's the question,

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Speaker 1: of course. Is you zoom out, is the point that

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Speaker 1: you see a lot of dots and they all look

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Speaker 1: sort of the same, or is it that most of

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Speaker 1: the wall is blank and there are.

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Speaker 2: And it's glaring and you're saying, I wish I didn't

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Speaker 2: have that dot there. That's sort of right. The metaphor

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Speaker 2: falls apart from me. If it was saying it's a

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Speaker 2: fleck of paint of that matches the rest of the wall,

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Speaker 2: I'd say, then that's beautiful.

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Speaker 3: But a dot wall a.

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Speaker 1: Dot on the wall of life. I mean, it is

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Speaker 1: still a dot. I mean I would be much more

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Speaker 1: comforted if if the saying was it doesn't matter at all.

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Speaker 1: I'm a dot in the wall of life. It is

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Speaker 1: still there. And are we talking permanent marker? Is there

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Speaker 1: any way to change it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Do I still have the paint that I could

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Speaker 2: cover up the dot with?

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Speaker 1: How big is the wall? Because the wall can actually

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Speaker 1: be small. The wall doesn't have to be large. Let's

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Speaker 1: say we're talking about my bedroom wall. I don't have

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Speaker 1: a biggest bedroom. You know, you put a dot on there,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be You're gonna see that as soon as

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Speaker 2: It's actually all I'm gonna think about for a while.

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Speaker 1: And in that sense, you're almost like, all right, well,

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Speaker 1: if I have one dot I and there's no way

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Speaker 1: to get rid of it, I should have many so

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Speaker 2: I would rather die. I mean, if there's a dot

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Speaker 1: But then if again, if the wall is the wall

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Speaker 1: of life, that's how exactly, how exactly are you going

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Speaker 2: Lighte exactly, you're gonna have to jump off a cliff. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so that's pretty unfortunate. You know, my I had a

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Speaker 1: You're actually pointing to something really big, I think, which

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Speaker 1: Like even when you look at the one that's like

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Speaker 1: don't tell me I need nothing.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't help. It doesn't actually help it all. I'm

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Speaker 2: looking for purpose and meaning, so stop telling them.

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Speaker 1: Just yes. And then, by the way, if you're at school,

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Speaker 1: to be you know, my mother.

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Speaker 2: Well you can't if you can take it through a

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Speaker 2: life if.

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Speaker 1: You go through life saying I'm just aspecting the galaxy.

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Speaker 1: It's just about in the wall of life. Well, it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: what's the point then, what are you trying? Why are

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Speaker 2: Again, we're teaching them to jump, I think.

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Speaker 1: Teaching them to jump or to be a complete nihilist.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and we wonder we say God is dead,

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Speaker 4: God is dead Nietzsche. Yeah, I you know, I actually

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Speaker 4: do have to say to this point, there was a

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Speaker 4: groundbreaking moment when I was in college when I was like, oh,

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Speaker 4: no one cares about me. Maybe I can now come

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Speaker 4: out of the closet, like in an empowering way, because

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Speaker 4: I thought because in my mind, I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: if I'm gay, that's gonna be the New York Literal

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Speaker 4: Times will be doing a profile on like how this

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, it's gonna say who's this faggot? By

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Speaker 1: Maggie Haberman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the picture would be sad. It would be

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Speaker 2: me like staring at a wall in the dark, and

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Speaker 2: I couldn't put up with that. But then the groundbreaking

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Speaker 2: moment was being like, oh, no one cares. I'm actually

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Speaker 2: not gonna make press because of course I don't have

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Speaker 2: a fun.

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Speaker 1: Here's the flip. Here's a flip side of that. Imagine

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Speaker 1: you came out and literally no one cared. Mmm, that

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Speaker 1: would be really sad. You want a select number of

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Speaker 1: people to care. Maybe you want your family to care

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Speaker 1: but in a positive way. Maybe you want potential romantic

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Speaker 1: partners to care, but you don't want to. You know,

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Speaker 1: if a tree comes out in the forest and doesn't

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Speaker 1: make a sound, is it really gay?

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Speaker 2: That's a great point. If no one cared, you never

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Speaker 2: came out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really so much of life actually comes down

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Speaker 1: to the right number of people caring.

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Speaker 2: I think that's really genius.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm like at a complete, I fully round of

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Speaker 2: stuff to talk about. Can you believe that?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: I can tell Minnisota we have nothing else to say.

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Speaker 1: No, I just came. Did I tell you I was

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Speaker 1: at a baby shower today?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Is it a baby shower today?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You said I was at a baby shower today,

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Speaker 2: So I hope I don't have stuff in my teeth.

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Speaker 1: Yes, because it was a delicious brunch family style of

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Speaker 1: brun shot. I got it and two things I want

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Speaker 1: to say. First of all, you know, there were a

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Speaker 1: lot of It was a very inclusive shower in the

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Speaker 1: sense that there were all genders and in fact all ages,

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Speaker 1: a lot of There were a lot of mothers of

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Speaker 2: That doesn't sound very groundbreaking to me. When you said

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Speaker 2: all ages, I thought you meant there were some like

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Speaker 1: Oh no, but that would have been honestly iconic. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I was sitting with a couple of moms, and

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Speaker 1: this is my impression of all the moms at this

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Speaker 1: at this baby shower. You know, you go out these days,

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Speaker 1: they're putting cuman in desserts. None of my business.

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Speaker 2: Huh. Did you argue with them at all?

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Speaker 1: No? I actually was agreeing with every single thing they

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Speaker 1: were saying. But I there was you know how they

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Speaker 1: have activities of baby showers. This is actually maybe my

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Speaker 1: first baby shower ever. But they had us decorate bibs.

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Speaker 1: So they gave you markers, like little colorful permanent markers,

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Speaker 1: and you decorated a bib for the baby wow, And

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Speaker 2: I can't help but feel that I'm not feeling we're

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Speaker 2: both feeling very family first. Today you're at a baby shower.

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Speaker 2: I got lunch with my cousin and brother. You know

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Speaker 2: what happened to us being sort of radical artists?

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Speaker 1: I know it really is tough. It's we're you know.

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you something? Last night? I went to

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Speaker 1: your boyfriend's birthday party. Uh huh, okay, gay guys at

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Speaker 1: I got home eleven twenty Damn that hurts the way

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Speaker 1: I am sixty five years old.

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Speaker 2: It's a bummer. I mean, I was falling asleep watching

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Speaker 2: Survivor on a Saturday night at midnight, and I said,

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Speaker 2: I said, I'll save it for the morning. I woke

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Speaker 1: Is insane. Well, you're also going through a you're doing

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Speaker 1: sort of a dry january against your yeah wishes.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm doing everything I'm doing right now is against

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Speaker 1: I'm never has never has someone got a desirable writing

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Speaker 2: That's true. Actually, I'm kind of pushing the boundaries.

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Speaker 1: It is sort of crazy.

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Speaker 3: I'm of course, grateful for all opportunities. But that being said,

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Speaker 2: I was gone to my head, had to move to La.

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Speaker 2: Every the apartment I'm in, you know, it's against my

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Speaker 2: will entirely. Every meal I've had has been forced down

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Speaker 2: my throat is and this lifestyle is.

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Speaker 1: It's and where can people donate?

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Speaker 2: Subscribe to the patreon babes.

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Speaker 1: Please subscribe to Honestly, if people could subscribe to the

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Speaker 1: patren that would be really helpful for me at this juncture,

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Speaker 1: much more than sam I'm not no offense. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: really love that.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't know. I actually left our recording yesterday

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Speaker 2: and I was like, am I entitled?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: Is there something? What is it? What's the word for

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Speaker 2: what I have?

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Speaker 1: It's not entitled, it's you know, it really is part

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Speaker 1: of your charm. It's a specific type of It's not

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Speaker 1: entitlement at all, because it's not like what you're what

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Speaker 1: you want is something so you know, you want to

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Speaker 1: live in a sky scrape in Manhattan, like actually you

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Speaker 1: want your simple life with your beloved partner in Bushwick

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Speaker 1: and your dog. You don't. It's not like you want

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Speaker 1: these huge things and you're like I deserve to live

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Speaker 1: in a mansion. It's just that you don't want anything

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Speaker 1: to change.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty.

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Speaker 1: Much it, Like, I don't know how to you know

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Speaker 1: what it actually reminds me of. It's like I moved

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Speaker 1: and it reminds me of just like being so annoyed

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Speaker 2: Crazy crazy. So please welcome to the podcast Ismail Lufti Lootfi.

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Speaker 2: And now we're now we're back. Wow. And you know

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Speaker 3: They're farmers. They're all farmers and that's their life. They

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Speaker 3: Our farm is bush where bush We did you live?

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Speaker 1: I'm off the cal never all right, Relax, I've never

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Speaker 3: Okay, we're in gall right now, you're sorry, you're enjoying

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Speaker 3: You have a lot of excuses for making any changes

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Speaker 1: It does seem like maybe your problems actually have more

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Speaker 1: And you know what you should get for that? Acurapunkt whoa,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get some breaky for get something?

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Speaker 3: It's definitely there's something sad about it because it also

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Speaker 2: I think that makes LA the most evil city in America. Wow.

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Speaker 3: that's how I view Okay, DC. Similar though, everyone in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool.

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Speaker 1: I don't know her name? Do you guys know it? No?

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Speaker 1: Well, you're just looking out for her. It's not clearly,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's gonna be name like household recognition and then

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Speaker 2: That's proof that I wasn't there.

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Speaker 3: Are you scared that CBS is gonna hear that you're

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Speaker 2: No, because it's not the job I'm unhappy with. I

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Speaker 3: It's very fun. George, it's very fun, George, fun job.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm really happy you guys are having.

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Speaker 2: It's only when we leave work that the spiraling starts. Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 1: gonna get trampolines.

438
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Speaker 3: Well, actually do We work on the Paramount A Lot

439
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 3: and it's like, can't you guys paint a wall of

440
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 3: fun color?

441
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:12,679
Speaker 2: So sad?

442
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 3: It's the everything is like a concentration camp. It's really sad.

443
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 1: Everything, the entitlement, the food is terrible.

444
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Speaker 2: Food sucks. No. I actually bus, Yeah, they could make

445
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 2: me paint the wall and I would be happy. I

446
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 2: would love to.

447
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,199
Speaker 3: I would love to paint a wall. It's crazy to

448
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 3: see tourists like in buses. They'll come through the lot

449
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,120
Speaker 3: and like, what are you looking at?

450
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 2: Well? Literally, what is that place?

451
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys are like truly three weeks and so

452
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 1: j You're like coming out of the office of the tourist,

453
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, this is fake.

454
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 2: Why No, I have been I've been bad about that.

455
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 2: Like one time an uber picked me up from work

456
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 2: and he was like, man, you're live in my dream

457
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 2: working at the Paramount a Lot every day, and I

458
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 2: was like, it's not as good as it looks. Yeah,

459
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 2: that's so bad. I think I clicked don't talk.

460
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna nip this in the bud, and

461
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 1: I think it's time to do our first segment.

462
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: We're kidding, We're playing heightened versions of ourselves. We're so

463
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 2: humble and grateful. I'm so grateful.

464
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

465
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 3: The best it's the best thing I've done. That job

466
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 3: is in terms of like going in and feeling happy

467
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 3: and not wanting to blow my brains out at work.

468
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 2: That's true. There.

469
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 1: I like it.

470
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 2: I like being there.

471
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Speaker 3: It's fun.

472
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Speaker 1: I have a huge update. The actress's name is Kaylee Spainey.

473
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: I've never heard that the names are spelled wrong.

474
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: Katie can't be named c A I L e E.

475
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,959
Speaker 2: That's tough. Was she that bitch in Pearl?

476
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 1: She was not that bitch in Pearl? Because isn't that

477
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: Mia Goth?

478
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 2: Or was she the one in Smile? Who's the one in? No?

479
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: The one in Smile is Kevin Bacon's daughter, Sozy Bacon.

480
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Speaker 2: Soz Bacon, Get a grip, Get a life. These names unbelievable.

481
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: I think Cayley's biggest problem, other than that her unfortunately

482
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: face is unmemorable, is that she spells at C A

483
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Speaker 1: I L e E.

484
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I have a question really quick before we do

485
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Speaker 2: the first segment, George, was that too much? Were we

486
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Speaker 2: complaining too much? Because in my mind, it was funny,

487
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 2: but then I was like, m maybe it is too much.

488
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Speaker 1: Listen. Do I think everyone listening to it will be like, damn,

489
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Speaker 1: I'm so glad they're finally saying all.

490
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Speaker 3: This nom oh damn. It honestly might, but we have

491
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 3: to be honest. It might be.

492
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Speaker 1: In this industry, people would.

493
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Speaker 3: Probably prefer if we were shitting on everything and then

494
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 3: also being like the job sucked, Oh, that would help.

495
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Speaker 2: Probably.

496
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Speaker 3: It's it's kind of maybe more annoying that we're like, oh,

497
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Speaker 3: but the work, well, that's the thing.

498
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Speaker 1: That's the thing, because you guys are saying, you're saying

499
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: the job is so fun, you're saying you're working at

500
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: the paramount lot, and then you are just sort of

501
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: complaining about a general annui. I think if you came

502
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: in and you were like you came in and you

503
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: were like, you know, they fucking moved us here. It's underpaid,

504
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: it's non union, our boss sucks. Like every day we

505
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: get physically assaulted. You know, people potentially would be a

506
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: little more a little more on your side.

507
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Speaker 2: They're not on the side of the wall need to

508
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Speaker 2: be painted a better color.

509
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I don't think they're on the side of

510
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: we have big Hollywood jobs and we don't like the

511
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: esthetics of the office.

512
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: Well that's true. Well, you know, you live long enough

513
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: to become the villain, you know. Okay, Ismail. Our first

514
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 2: segment is called straight Shooters, and in this segment, we

515
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 2: will ask you a series of rapid fire questions. It's

516
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: basically this thing or this other thing to gauge your

517
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: familiarity with and complicity in straight culture. The only rule

518
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: is you can't ask any follow up questions or we

519
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: will scream at you so loudly that you're la on.

520
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: We will be justified.

521
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 3: But I fear that if I really get along and

522
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 3: just answer everything correctly, like quickly, that'll not be fun.

523
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Speaker 2: That's I mean, I'm proud of you for not asking

524
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: a question. And I think I'm really proud of you

525
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Speaker 2: for not asking a question. Yeah that I was like,

526
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Speaker 2: oh no, he's going to immediately come out at a loss.

527
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Speaker 1: But you know exactly what you.

528
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Speaker 2: Were doing, and I think that's a reasonable fear, and

529
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: that's part of life, you know.

530
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe lean into that.

531
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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, yeah, totally, yeah, sit with that, all right,

532
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: go ahead, okay, Ismail. Sayings that are kink shaming or

533
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Speaker 2: bangs that are face framing, banks, banks that are face framing.

534
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just a girl, or my name.

535
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: Is Earl, I'm just a girl. Okay.

536
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 3: Touched by an angel or caressed specifically by Chris Angel

537
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: Chris Angel carresped, okay, easy.

538
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: Lying about your checkered past or flying the flag at half.

539
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 2: Mast lying by your checkered past, oh wow, okay, May

540
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: December or January Jones, May December, May December wow.

541
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Speaker 1: Oker, being weak on foreign policy, or looking chic and

542
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Speaker 1: causing jealousy.

543
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,959
Speaker 3: I mean looking chic, of course, looking chic easy, okay.

544
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Speaker 2: The Ladies of the Canyon or that one lady Jane Campion. Hmmm.

545
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Speaker 3: I don't know either of what does mean, but Jane

546
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Speaker 3: Campion sounds like a cooler thing.

547
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Speaker 1: Correct way to support female filmmakers, okay, smelt burying the

548
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Speaker 1: lead or marrying to breed.

549
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Speaker 3: Oh m, marrying to breed? Wow, okay, that's amazing. So

550
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: we rate our guests on the scale of one to

551
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 3: one thousand doves. And I think you know, I was

552
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 3: so impressed that you sort of addressed the issues in

553
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 3: the game head on up top, but didn't change your

554
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: performance I found that to be really groundbreaking. So I'm

555
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 3: gonna go nine hundred and twenty three doves.

556
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Speaker 1: Wow, you guys actually got two more points than than

557
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Speaker 1: our guest. Yes, I believe, but who's really Yeah, I'm

558
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Speaker 1: in the twenty really, I'm very in nine twenties. That

559
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Speaker 1: nine twenties range is really where you thrive.

560
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Speaker 2: What was the last the can I ask questions? Now? Yeah?

561
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: I guess actually you can.

562
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, the segment's over.

563
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: What was the last guest dove count nine twenty one,

564
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Speaker 3: twenty one? Yeah?

565
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Speaker 2: Three that Yeah, so that's sort of the space we're

566
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Speaker 2: in right now. That's great. Yeah, I think, Yeah, did you.

567
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Speaker 1: I really liked how calmly you answered. I feel like

568
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Speaker 1: it was you thought about it just enough. You didn't

569
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: put a whole show of overthinking it and pretending that

570
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: it's more deep than it is. But you also took

571
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Speaker 1: it seriously.

572
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 2: You took it seriously. I engaged with it.

573
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 3: I hate people that like overdue stuff. That's just fun.

574
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: Not to talk about our drop again. There's a lot

575
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 3: of that going on that really.

576
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 2: Makes me mad.

577
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 3: A lot of like, oh, interesting name names, yeah, please.

578
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of yeah and he he was on.

579
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Speaker 2: He couldn't he couldn't answer a single question. That was

580
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Speaker 2: confusing to me.

581
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Speaker 3: It was real and it's exactly what you're saying, George

582
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: in terms of like it's a fucking game. It's a

583
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 3: silly game. And every single prompt he was like, it's

584
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: like we wrote we like you know what to say, literally,

585
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 3: you know what to say the words on the paper.

586
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: Stop acting like this is crazy. This is not crazy.

587
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Speaker 3: He was like, I don't want to get canceled, and

588
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 3: it was like, how could you get canceled from this?

589
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: Oh, I actually have. I think we need to retire.

590
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 1: I know we also do it too ironically when it's like, oh,

591
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to, but we need to retire all

592
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: forms of like prefacing something by saying I don't want

593
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Speaker 1: to get canceled.

594
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: It's an awful and I think I'm not. I think

595
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Speaker 2: we don't preface things with like I don't want to

596
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Speaker 2: get canceled. I do think I preface things with like

597
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: does this make me unlikable, which is more of a

598
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: realistic question.

599
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it shows it's just self aware. Most of the

600
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: canceling thing is it's like it's the opposite of self aware.

601
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Speaker 3: It's like you're not in its aposition to get canceled.

602
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: Who are you?

603
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: You're also over Yeah, you're overestimating your own importance. You're

604
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Speaker 1: engaging with what's going on at such a remove, like

605
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Speaker 1: you're not getting we're having a conversation. No one's getting canceled. Yeah,

606
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: m hmm.

607
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Speaker 2: It's you know what they need to learn what I

608
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: learned when I was in college and afraid to come

609
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Speaker 2: out of the closet, the getting canceled. No one that

610
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Speaker 2: no one's thinking about you.

611
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Speaker 1: Like, that's right, getting canceled is just a dot in

612
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Speaker 1: the wall of life.

613
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Speaker 3: Also, anyone who's gonna say something that will legitimately somehow

614
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Speaker 3: get them canceled, they're not going to preface anything by saying,

615
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Speaker 3: I hope this doesn't get me canceled.

616
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Any like, if you if you're guys gonna say the effort,

618
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 3: you just say it like you're not You're not scared

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Speaker 3: of a room of people being offended.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it would be sort of funny if someone

621
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Speaker 1: in a stand up special said, oh, I hope this

622
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Speaker 1: does not.

623
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Speaker 2: That could be an entire end word. That could be

624
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Speaker 2: a groundbreaking new tone. Because so many people are like

625
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Speaker 2: it's more challenging. It's like, what are you going to

626
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Speaker 2: cancel me? And then they do it. But I think

627
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Speaker 2: sort of the wondering and then continuing forward could be

628
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Speaker 2: brand new.

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Speaker 1: You know. Also, I actually I'll agree with that. I'll

630
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Speaker 1: say I generally speaking, I am tired of sort of

631
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Speaker 1: like you know, Joe Rogan, edged Lord Comedy whatever, you know,

632
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: Ricky Gervais, all that stuff, but actually doing a full

633
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Speaker 1: special where the entire Roman's piece is you honestly like

634
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Speaker 1: speaking in the tone of someone that's like at a

635
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Speaker 1: you know, gay Straight Alliance meeting, but then you say

636
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Speaker 1: the most offensive thing after after prefacing everything would be

637
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Speaker 1: very funny. So I would like to challenge maybe Ricky

638
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Speaker 1: Gervais or one of those one of those illustrious comedians

639
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Speaker 1: to attempt that.

640
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the way to be fresh. Huh

641
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 2: m hmmm. Should we get into the topic.

642
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,239
Speaker 1: I think we have to.

643
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: I mean, we we've run out of everything else to

644
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: talk about. We hit, we hit, complain about job, complain about.

645
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: L A, complain about job again, complain about job again.

646
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, what what other blessings can we sort of ship

647
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Speaker 2: on that we have?

648
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: Well?

649
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: Ismail, what is your topic today. I think I teased

650
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: it a little bit earlier, but you did.

651
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: You did, and I noticed that I did.

652
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Speaker 3: Story buffs, history buffs. Knowing things about place in the world.

653
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: H Yeah, being a guy who knows stuff about things,

654
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Speaker 3: what about politics about but specifically about places and history.

655
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Speaker 2: What do you think is straight about knowing things about

656
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: places in history? I was saying it earlier.

657
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 3: I think it's there's something about, uh, the way that

658
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 3: it affects your ego that I think is specific to

659
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: straight men, that we feel like we're showing off by

660
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: knowing stuff about a thing or history or a date

661
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: in a way that's it's very unique to us because

662
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: we do it, and I do it.

663
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: I'm a big guy that does that. Yeah, you brought

664
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: up the Roman Empire.

665
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: Immediately, and I do it. And I know as I'm

666
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: doing it that none of the people listening care. But

667
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: as I'm doing it, I'm feeling kind of good. It

668
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: makes me feel good and eat like strong, smart strong.

669
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: It's an interesting double edged sword because I feel.

670
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 3: Like gladyas kind of Roman sort.

671
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: It's Gladius because I feel like it's not it has

672
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: a reputation of being bad. It's like has a reputation

673
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: of like eye rolly straight guy, of course, and yet

674
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: they still do it. It's it's an interesting like like

675
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: girls don't like it, like you know, and yet it

676
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: is done all the time still.

677
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: But I also think you're I think about that often

678
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: with when people do when straight man specifically do something

679
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: that is so like iconically made fun of, like think

680
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: of a strake guy literally wearing a foot dora, or

681
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: like playing the yukulele, like things that have been so

682
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: we've decided so long ago that those things are lame

683
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: or cringe or whatever, and I think we overestimate how

684
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: much that makes it to that part of the population.

685
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: Like I don't think a guy that starts talking about

686
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: the Roman Empires think to himself, I know this is annoying,

687
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: but I still think it's interesting enough that I'm going

688
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: to bring it up. I think he is completely oblivious

689
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: to the fact that behind his back there are all

690
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: these conversations happening about how annoying it is when he

691
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: brings up the Roman Empire.

692
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: To be totally upfront, was it annoying that I brought

693
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: up the Roman Empire?

694
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: Immediately?

695
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 3: I wasn't doing it to service the meme I was.

696
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 3: I was trying to make a comparison between our jobs and.

697
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: No, I find no. No, we use the tools we

698
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 2: have in our tool belt.

699
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: I did not find it annoying.

700
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 2: I did not find it annoying at all.

701
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: It was in the service of a joke.

702
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and it was.

703
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: Foreshadowing your topic. So you're just being good at your

704
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: job of being a podcast.

705
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually found that great. Great, and I kind

706
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: of felt like you were character building and you were

707
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: sort of letting us know who you were exactly. Yeah.

708
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I.

709
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 2: Mean it's tough, I think. I So I'm thinking about also, like,

710
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: so you were watching the game, we were doing the intro,

711
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: and you said, well, that's good because I'm watching the game.

712
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 2: It's actually surprising to me when straight guys do straight

713
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 2: eye stuff, because to me, it's sort of like, don't

714
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: you know, don't you know that that's I think it's

715
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: it's so on the nose. But then gay guys, when

716
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: we are being gay guys, I'm always like, oh, we're

717
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: doing the gig. I think like when we're listening to

718
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 2: do Alipa and talking about Houdini, I'm like.

719
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: Oh, we're being a guy. Whodini isn't doing a leap

720
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 3: a song.

721
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: Like well to even say like watching the game is

722
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: on the nose, It's like it so betrays how much

723
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: of a bubble you and I live it. Watching the

724
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: game is not on the nose. Watching the game is

725
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: literally the default. Like at any given time, most people

726
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: in the world are watching the game, and we just

727
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: happen to not be, so we're like, that's kind of weird.

728
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: Well, I also think, and maybe this is again in

729
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: the bubble, I this is and guess what ring the

730
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: New York versus LA alarm. I feel like straight guys

731
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 2: in LA are much more comfortable saying where we're going

732
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 2: to watch the game, where straight guys in New York

733
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: will still want to cling to an alt straight identity.

734
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 3: Hm.

735
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: I mean again, I do think that might just be

736
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: you living in Bushwick and knowing only comedians. I think

737
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know if you're watching the game.

738
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys are being crazy.

739
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: I was with straight guys at the shower today and

740
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: literally everyone was talking about the game and with no

741
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: sense of like iron ere like haha, look at us,

742
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: we're like supporting our wives and then watching the game.

743
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: It was just like what life is is I'm dragged

744
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: to an event by my wife and then I talk.

745
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: I get to talk about the game with the other

746
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: husbands that are there, and maybe we'll sneak away to

747
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: watch some of it on our phones, or maybe someone

748
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: will be like, oh, they scored like during the toasts.

749
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: Let's say you go home and watch the rest of

750
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: the game in peace.

751
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think you're you're wrong. You read on

752
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: LA New York this time it is incorrect. That's just

753
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 3: as much game love, so as there.

754
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: I do want to talk a little bit about, like

755
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: about the history, Like what is it about being a

756
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: history buff that is straight there is We've talked about

757
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: this a lot with past guests, like Sudi Green's topic

758
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: was information and we coined I think Sudi coined the

759
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: term information dombing, which is when you like try to

760
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: to just like recount as much information as you can

761
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: to just prove to someone I am the one who

762
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: knows things and you are the one learning them from me.

763
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 2: Totally.

764
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do think that is a big part

765
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: of being history buff. I think another part of it is,

766
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's a sort of like uncontroversial thing that

767
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: Knowing history makes someone smarter, much more so even than

768
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: knowing math, or than knowing than reading a lot of literature,

769
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: Like it is the thing that people point to most

770
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: as something that makes you educated almost and so in

771
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: a very mathematical way. Straight, guys are like, great, So

772
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: I will learn as much as I can about that

773
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: and then I will win.

774
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 2: Sure.

775
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it's it's really smart to look

776
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: at it from that angle as a not smart, but

777
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 3: like it's strategic because we're not to be a history

778
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: buff again, but we're all in history right now, so

779
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 3: it's like a ubiquitous thing that we're just it's if

780
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 3: when you know about stuff that's happened, it's easily accessible,

781
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 3: like you can always I talk about it.

782
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: Sure, Sure, And I'm thinking.

783
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 3: The thing you said about, like how women like don't

784
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 3: like it when guys are talking to them about shit

785
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 3: like that. I thought about my experiences with my ex

786
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 3: girlfriends and ex wife plural x wives.

787
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 5: He's been married twice, yeah, and oh on, I know,

788
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 5: and in those relationships there was a lot of talking

789
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 5: about the different you know, the ou Mad Caliphate.

790
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 3: You know, you guys know about that. You have a

791
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: basket Caliphate. These are different caliphates of the Muslim world.

792
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 3: A lot of talking about that to my ex girlfriends

793
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 3: and ex wife and I when I think about why

794
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 3: I did it, truly it was because I didn't have

795
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: other stuff to say, and so a part of me

796
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 3: was like, well, I know a lot about this, and

797
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: I'll just ask her like do you want to know

798
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 3: about you know, Sultan Harun Rashid, like for a little

799
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: while and they'll go uh, and then I'll just start

800
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: talking about it and that's like forty five minutes killed

801
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 3: like easy, yeah, And they didn't really care, but they

802
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 3: were having fun listening to me just kind of wiggle

803
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: around because they like me, you know what I mean, Sure,

804
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 3: we're dating, we're married, enjoying just hearing me. Are they

805
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 3: picking up on it and like going to ask about

806
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: it in a week, Like oh yeah, that's like that's

807
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: that the Battle of yard milk.

808
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 2: Like no, they're not going to say, they're not going

809
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 2: to remember any of it.

810
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: But it's just to fill time and to like build

811
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: rapport kind of, That's what I think it is.

812
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 2: It's and it's easy.

813
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: I don't really have to be showing my personality in anyone.

814
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: Well, it's a way to hide behind it. Like it's

815
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: literally like, well here's a list of facts. Yeah, like

816
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: what and yeah, and god forbid, I run out because

817
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: then I would have to say who I voted for.

818
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just say I vote before I just say

819
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: how I'm feeling right now because it is my dad. Yeah, yeah,

820
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: I think it's hard.

821
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 3: It's interesting to me that you were like funny and

822
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 3: into I feel like history facts are so dry and

823
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: it's so like to me, people that are addicted to

824
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: history are like not like a huge loll convo to have. Well,

825
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 3: it's funny to say that because a lot of historians

826
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 3: are actually really funny people. Oh my god, I could

827
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: give you a list of names.

828
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

829
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: I actually, I actually think there is sort of like

830
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 1: a hit like there's a sort of quirkiness.

831
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: Well there's history view, but that's different. That's more like

832
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: like they love to do those little jokes where it's like, yeah,

833
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: that'd be like if the blah blah blah Empire mixed

834
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: with the blah blah blah, and it would be like

835
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: it would be like what are you saying, And it's

836
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 2: like I'm saying I don't like my mother in law.

837
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny.

838
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: It's even you doing an impression of a guy right there.

839
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 3: Being a history buff turned me off.

840
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 2: Like it really annoyed.

841
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 3: That's the issue with being a history guy is if

842
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 3: they're another history guy around there were like, it's like

843
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 3: like same magnet. It's kind of similar with gay guys

844
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 3: to be on enemies, immediate enemies. And if there's ever

845
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: another guy who knows stuff like it's hell yeah, then

846
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 3: if I say anything, he's gonna like tag it with

847
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 3: like oh right, and that also in seventeen oh four,

848
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: then that happened, yeah right, yeah, and then it's somebody

849
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 3: ton't five that happened.

850
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: You know, So it's it's not a good way to

851
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: be Yeah, well because you it's sort of there's a

852
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 2: thing when it's like, well, when I do it, it's

853
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: with tact exactly, and then when someone else does it

854
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: and you're like, well, don't don't think history buffs are

855
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: like that, because that's that's not what we're like. I

856
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: actually do it really tastefully exactly, but I don't know

857
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: if I do m Can I tell you something that

858
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: Ismail did in the office, please? He uh. We were

859
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: going around saying what our special skills are, and he said,

860
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: I can draw the entire map of Europe from memory,

861
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: and then did.

862
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: It's one of my few like really cool things I

863
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 3: can do. I can draw a really accurate Europe. Damn.

864
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: You know where you would love you is my mom.

865
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,479
Speaker 1: I would always be so shamed when I was growing

866
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: up for not having a good enough sense of geography,

867
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: which for my mom was like one of the signs

868
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: of someone being educated and intelligent really, and by the way,

869
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: it was her fault because we moved around, so I

870
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: never got like a good education.

871
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 2: I would love your mom.

872
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should get you guys in touch.

873
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah you should link Greek.

874
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: It is Greek, yes, but it's also made up name.

875
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: We could talk about that. It's a I shortened my

876
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: much much longer and more Greek lass name.

877
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: Got it. My dad is a big history buff. A

878
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: lot of dads are, yeah, yes, a lot of dads.

879
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 2: It was like we'd be on vacation and be like, Okay, well,

880
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: while we're on vacation.

881
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 3: We're gonna go see.

882
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: Where the Right Brothers first flew. You know, it's funny.

883
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,479
Speaker 1: This is the other thing with being a history buff

884
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: and why it's so like, you know, we're sort of

885
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: making the argument that it's somehow straight male coded, which

886
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: can be a bit problematic because you're saying like, well,

887
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: straight guys are smart and know about things, and then

888
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: you know everyone else sort of doesn't and thinks it's

889
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: lame to no history. But the thing with but the

890
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: thing with being a history buff specifically is like there

891
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: is a focus on two things. A the idea of

892
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: history as objective fact, like there's actually a very little

893
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: space for alternative histories and history of the oppressed of

894
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: a pressed class and and different perspectives or whatever. And

895
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: two basically history as a series of great men. Like

896
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: that is what a lot of it comes down to,

897
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: is like reading biographies of a military general and of

898
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: presidents and being like, oh, well, Whinston Winston Churchill, like

899
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: was so strategic in this, this and this. Like so

900
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: it actually is being a history buff in that specific

901
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: way only serves to reinforce your own ego as a

902
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: straight man, because you almost are like subconsciously herself in

903
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: this line of great man. Well there was Churchill and

904
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: now there's me.

905
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: That's so true.

906
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 3: But it's funny you said that, like your dad would

907
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: want to go see like the Wright Brothers Museum or something,

908
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 3: because I had absolutely no interest in American history, really

909
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 3: most boring topic in the world.

910
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: I also don't I actually have to completely agree, and

911
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: I must tell a story that I think maybe I've

912
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: told before, which is that one time I had someone

913
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: I went to college with visited Greece over the summer

914
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: and I was there and so I was like showing

915
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: her around and she's a teacher and she was talking

916
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: about the Greek educational system and she was like, so,

917
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: how did you guys learn history? And I was like, oh,

918
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, there was like we did like world history first,

919
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: then we did European history, and then we did Greek history,

920
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: and that was sort of like how we moved and

921
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: of course Greek history is very long, so it took

922
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: you a long time whatever. I was like explaining that,

923
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: and she looks at me truly as though I'm like

924
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: an idiot, and she goes, Okay, well when did you

925
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: do American history? And I was like, we're in Greece,

926
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: like we did it for like a week, because in

927
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things, that's how long it is. Like, yeah,

928
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: we didn't learn about like the Louisiana purchase in Greek

929
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 1: high school.

930
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 2: You went to high school in Greece. Yeah, oh you're

931
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: like you Greek as fuck.

932
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm Greek as fuck.

933
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: Nah, that's how you say yes, nah? All right.

934
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is not is actually like not

935
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: can be it. So doing this to someone is like

936
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: sort of an offensive thing. It's like giving them a

937
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: finger or something. And oftentimes we'll do that and say nah,

938
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: So we're like nah, and so it can be sort

939
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: of like a negative thing. That's why I'm correcting you.

940
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: So you don't go to a Greek person say nah

941
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: and then they're sort of like.

942
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there you go.

943
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: Damn that's crazy though. But anyway, but the American it's

944
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: too short. Yeah, the history of the specific American history

945
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: buff is, as you're saying, even more toxic. At least

946
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: learn about at the very least Europe. And then of course,

947
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,959
Speaker 1: you know you want to sort of open your eyes

948
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: even further. For sure you can handle it.

949
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: I do think when it comes to history specifically, battles

950
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: don't speak to me.

951
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: Battles get me going, give me the note, I love

952
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 3: the day, I love the combatants on either how many

953
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: allies each person had, how many like, how much cavalry

954
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: there was. I want to know, like what life was like,

955
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: like I want like a slice of life. I like

956
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 3: that too. I like that too. When when when I

957
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: when when I think of history and when I use

958
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: it for conversation. I don't think i'm explicitly uh just

959
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 3: like you said, talking about like the strong men of history.

960
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 3: I think I'm going like there were every soldier in

961
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: the Roman army was a farmer and they were tilling

962
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: their fields until they were called to the battlefront. So

963
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 3: to your point, I like to talk think of it

964
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 3: in terms of what they were living like then I

965
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 3: think that's what's interesting. Sure, sure, yes, I'm good, Yeah,

966
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: I'm good.

967
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: You know, Sam. In terms of the battles, the obsession

968
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: with battles, you know that was sort of the original.

969
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: Watching the game is learning about battles. Damn. There's there's

970
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: a real straight line between uh, being into battles and

971
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: being into the big game.

972
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense.

973
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: Whereas learning about how people lived is more like you know,

974
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: watching a noa bombback film. It's much more queer, it's

975
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: much more inclusive.

976
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's all I'm looking for I Okay, the

977
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: gay analog or whatever is like.

978
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: It's actresses, Wait, hold on the gay analog to the

979
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: Big Game, to know, to history buff, to being a

980
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: history buff. Yeah, well no, I mean I I mean yes,

981
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: there's you know, yes, you could be like the gay

982
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: equivalent is like basically knowing like oscars trivia.

983
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that that's like the most broad.

984
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, the most broad. I'm trying to think if there's

985
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: any way to make to give gay people a little

986
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: more credit and be like, is there anything slightly more

987
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: intellectual that we can be Like that's the equivalent of

988
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: a gay person knowing something.

989
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: Knowing about furniture.

990
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: Totally honestly, Yeah, yeah, it is like knowing about prissy

991
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: little things. It's like knowing what the four Roman's more credit,

992
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: that's way less credit. No, I think that's what it is.

993
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: I think the gay equivalent is knowing, like is knowing

994
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: different architects, different like designers.

995
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: But I think that's not I think actually there's a

996
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: misconception whereas I think straight guys actually do know which

997
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,959
Speaker 2: battles were fought, when I think they actually do care,

998
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: and I actually think gay guys don't actually know who

999
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: the designer of that chair is. And I think gay

1000
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: guys don't actually know like the runway history of blah

1001
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: blah blah, Like they just have an unearned sense of

1002
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 2: uh of like I.

1003
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 1: Know this, I mean, you know what I'm gonna say, Well,

1004
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: I think that might just be the gig. As we know,

1005
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: many gay guys know about fashion, about like which runway

1006
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: was important and what.

1007
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: I think so few gay guys actually know, like if

1008
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: you are in an like I'm rarely do. I like,

1009
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, are the friends that we hang

1010
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: out with are stupid, But but when you hang out

1011
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 2: with the gay guys outside of that circle, they don't

1012
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: get They actually get dumber a lot of times as well. Mmm,

1013
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying, Like, yes, there's a higher crust,

1014
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: but like but that's like it gets smaller the further

1015
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: up it goes.

1016
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, I mean, and that's maybe the

1017
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: equivalent of like an intellectual straight guy knowing I don't

1018
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: know very deep history.

1019
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, exactly to defend the gaze in this like

1020
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: analogy where the comparison were doing most history buffs and

1021
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 3: myself included, I don't I don't think I could tell

1022
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 3: you the date actually, like the actual date of any battle. Really,

1023
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 3: I could tell you a ballpark for many battles, but

1024
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 3: just to your credit, it's like like my point, my

1025
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 3: point being like like, oh, gay guys don't actually know

1026
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 3: all the I don't think most history buffs really know

1027
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 3: anything other than like vague a vague sense of like

1028
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 3: when stuff was happening where and like what life was like.

1029
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: But that's why are the biggest comparison.

1030
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there is a sense in which identifying as

1031
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: a history buff is almost like identifying as an EmPATH.

1032
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: It's a little that the Lady Doth protests to me

1033
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: exactly like, yeah, no one, no self respecting history enthusiast

1034
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: would like have that be the main thing of their personality.

1035
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: Totally, and I would.

1036
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 3: I would not really be identifying myself as such except

1037
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 3: that you told me I have come on with a thing.

1038
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: I would not actually call myself a history but I

1039
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: have been called one. Yeah, and I can't tell you're

1040
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 3: like being humble now, like it's very confusing.

1041
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: You please like in your because this is something that

1042
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: I think is a big part of being a history

1043
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: buff is just like the constant consumption of history media,

1044
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: like there are so many history podcasts and you know,

1045
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: again biographies of military generals and and and law, like

1046
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: the fetishization of like reading the Oh my god, what's

1047
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: the guy that wrote the Power Broker Robert uh Anyway,

1048
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: reading like a nine hundred page book of history or

1049
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: a nine hundred page biography. I'm looking up Power Broker

1050
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: Robert Carrow. Okay, yes, like that is it's almost like

1051
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: you don't even have to digest any of it, you

1052
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: but you got through nine hundred pages. So my question

1053
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: to you is what is your like media history, media consumption, Like,

1054
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: what is it that makes how do you maintain your

1055
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 1: historical knowledge?

1056
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 2: Wow?

1057
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 3: Fuck, it's such a good question. I mean I think

1058
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 3: at this point, early, like a decade ago and growing up,

1059
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: it was a lot of reading books that were not

1060
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 3: maybe nine hundred page homes about you know, Uly sees

1061
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 3: this grant necessarily, but we're just in this space of like,

1062
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: you know, I'm trying to think of like Augustus by

1063
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 3: John Williams, which is just about Austravian Like that's kind

1064
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 3: of a good starter for like getting into that shit.

1065
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 3: And now, sadly, I would say, my history information it's

1066
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 3: just from my algorithm is now sure, all YouTube feeds

1067
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 3: me is stuff about battles. All my Instagram is is

1068
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 3: stuff about like Turkish warlords from the fifteen hundreds.

1069
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1070
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 3: So it's kind of devolved into just whenever I go

1071
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 3: on my phone, I'm learning like one little thing. That's nice, though,

1072
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 3: I mean I'll forget I forget it all.

1073
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: I have, I actually have. Maybe I have a suggestion

1074
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: for a gay versus straight comparison, Okay, and let me

1075
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 1: know if this rings true. I almost think it's straight

1076
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: to know about older history and gay to know about

1077
00:52:59,000 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: recent history.

1078
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: Hmmm, Yeah, I think there's something to that. I think

1079
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: you know what I mean to be like, no, you

1080
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: forgot that Tyra Banks put out a signal in seven exactly.

1081
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: But or also, of course the recent trend of like

1082
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: how we were unfair to various women in the late

1083
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: nineties early two thousands.

1084
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

1085
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: I also feel like if I'm going to talk about

1086
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: something historical with a gay person, historical and not about

1087
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: and not about celebrities, I think it's a safer bed

1088
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: to talk about like the Iraq War than to talk

1089
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: about the Roman Empire. Like there's some there's something and

1090
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: it almost maybe even stems from a narcissism of like

1091
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: recent history, the one we lived through is actually more

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00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: important and more worthy of studying.

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00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 3: And I'll say this, it definitely requires more almost like

1094
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 3: intellectual bravery to discuss modern history. There's less like of

1095
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 3: a sheine of objectivity to it.

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00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: Sure well, it's also there's something almost more progressive about

1097
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: being like, Okay, let's talk about the Iraq War so

1098
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: we don't repeat those mistakes or something, whereas the people

1099
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: that are talking about the Roman Empire are by and

1100
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: large like in cells like there is something actually and

1101
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: please do not write in if you're an if you're

1102
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: a progressive historian, of course, know that all history departments

1103
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: are run by you know, extreme you know, Jimmy Carter types.

1104
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: I get it. But at the same time, the people

1105
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: that are hobbyists that are learning about the Roman Empire

1106
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: and learning about like masculinity in ancient Greece are doing

1107
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: so almost as a cover for their own prejudice.

1108
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: It is true. Yeah, Wow, that's a really beautiful way

1109
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 2: of looking at it. Damn, I do wonder. I think

1110
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 2: that brings up an interesting point with with literal like

1111
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: queer history, where we love to like sort of paint

1112
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: with broad strokes and not know the details in a

1113
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 2: way that is like almost really freeing in but only almost.

1114
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,720
Speaker 1: Well, there's actually I mean what it is. It's almost

1115
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: like the other side of the coin of hegemonic historical narratives,

1116
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: where it's like, okay, so the hegemonic historical narratives are like,

1117
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: it's all great men that made a series of choices

1118
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: that led to democracy and progress, and then the uneducated

1119
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: queer person who wants to have an alternative narrative is like, no,

1120
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: it was women, end of discussion.

1121
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah it's Abraham Lincoln was a gay guy.

1122
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally. Or it's like the way people will talk

1123
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: about Stonewall without having oh my god, without even perusing

1124
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:40,479
Speaker 1: the Wikipedia page.

1125
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 2: No, at this point, Stonewall is a mythic space. It's

1126
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: like not about what happened at all. It's like, in

1127
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: such an interesting way, I'm addicted to it.

1128
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's there's something so like, well you get,

1129
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 3: it's like going for like the emotion behind it rather

1130
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 3: than what is the fact. Like they're just like, well

1131
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 3: it was there was oppression and then there was liberation,

1132
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 3: and that's all you know.

1133
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, wasn't it like there was.

1134
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: And drawing a connection between like the joy of you know,

1135
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: a queer bar or a queer club or something like

1136
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: drawing a connection between that and then a circuit party

1137
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: where you are going where every single person there has

1138
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: an eight pack and is on g and you're like, well,

1139
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: this is we are part of this great historical narrative

1140
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: and it has all led to this.

1141
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: Night history on the making. Baby. Yeah, that's so funny, interesting, Wow,

1142
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 2: I mean that was pretty groundbreaking.

1143
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I fork a lot, A lot A lot got

1144
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 3: said and a lot of it was pretty good.

1145
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, guys love the Iraq war.

1146
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: That's I guess maybe that is just me. No, I

1147
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 3: actually thought that was a smart way of approaching it.

1148
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: That's trying to give I think it's I think you're

1149
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 2: on the nose with trying to give gay guys more credit,

1150
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: because I think that we do sometimes try to reduce

1151
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: ourselves else to a little stupid and that's not always

1152
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: the case, and in fact often not the case. But

1153
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 2: it's more fun to be like that.

1154
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 3: There's something just not cute about about knowing things and

1155
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 3: saying things that you know. It's not it's just not cute.

1156
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: It's not charming.

1157
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's well, it's not charming unless because like I mean,

1158
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: unless someone asks you ask you know. Sometimes This is

1159
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: my challenge to everyone out there. If you find yourself

1160
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: listing facts, stop and ask yourself what started this? Did

1161
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: I just start talking out of nowhere? Did someone ask me?

1162
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: It's if I just not think of a different thing

1163
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: to say.

1164
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 3: It's a Really, that's actually an excellent exercise. It's an

1165
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 3: excellent exercise. I have done it twice during this recording. Wow,

1166
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 3: where I've stopped myself from saying a thing?

1167
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: No, never silence yourself. No, no, no, no, you wouldn't

1168
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: have wanted to hear it has have have Do women

1169
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 2: ever tell you information? There ever been a notable time

1170
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 2: and you've been told information? By the way, do I

1171
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: blocked it out? I'm trying to think.

1172
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, of course I dated a girl from

1173
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 3: Poland for a long time and she would tell me

1174
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 3: a lot of Polish stuff and history about Poles.

1175
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: And you would say that's wrong.

1176
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting, I've read differently.

1177
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 2: I just thought it's YouTube video is different.

1178
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 3: No, I've read from women. I didn't enjoy it.

1179
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: It hurt, hurt, did it kicking and screaming, No, it's funny.

1180
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 3: I actually thought I was gay freshman year of college

1181
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 3: because I didn't get any pussy come through Mackelmore for real.

1182
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: And then wow, you are so Mackelmore for that.

1183
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: And then when I got.

1184
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 3: Older, I realized that not getting pussy is really straight.

1185
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 3: That's true, and I was like, oh, that's actually normal.

1186
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally not getting pussy. And then damn, I can't

1187
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: believe I just said.

1188
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: I know that hurts. That was kind of wild.

1189
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to pronounce it anyway, he's

1190
00:58:58,880 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: not getting it, And you.

1191
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 2: Said, yeah, the gross part was that it's un natural.

1192
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: Then shaping your whole and then sort of shaping your

1193
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: whole politics around that is really what it's all about.

1194
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought you were saying shaping your whole.

1195
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: No, not getting pussy and then shaving your whole. If

1196
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: you guys could learn more, could be truly proficient in

1197
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: one era of history, what would it be, or like

1198
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: type of history or even a history of like a

1199
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: specific place, you.

1200
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 2: Know what I wish. I actually, I know you guys

1201
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 2: already shit on like American history, but I feel like

1202
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 2: everything from like the like fifties through the nineties. I

1203
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 2: actually don't understand what was going on in America because

1204
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 2: it like was never taught and everyone's like doing like

1205
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: little innuendo and little jokes about it, and I'm like,

1206
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 2: I actually don't understand what's going on.

1207
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 3: Sam, It's dangerous that you said that, because now I

1208
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 3: want to talk about it a long time.

1209
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: Actually, wait, sense you mean so you mean you're saying

1210
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: post war like.

1211
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, like post World War two. I feel like like,

1212
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: even like watching Oppenheimer, I was like, oh, whoa, Like

1213
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 2: I forgot about that this happened, like atomic bomb.

1214
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: Well, like, well, but you're talking post world I'm.

1215
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 2: Talking post like. I'm talking like post like. I think

1216
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: I didn't really like I knew it was like a

1217
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 2: big deal this I'm trying to like, I sound so stupid.

1218
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 2: I knew the atomic bomb was invented, but I think

1219
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 2: I hadn't literally thought about, oh it didn't exist, then

1220
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: it did exist and that informed politics for the next

1221
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 2: thirty years or whatever. I think I was just sort

1222
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 2: of like, yes, they invented it, but it was, you know,

1223
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 2: it's whatever, like stuff's always.

1224
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,919
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I mean post war like nuclear war

1225
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: was their climate change that was what everyone was worried

1226
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: about on a daily basis.

1227
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 2: Right true. I mean I watched Oppenheimer I get it now,

1228
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 2: and I loved every second of it. I hated it.

1229
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 3: We did say for all our Oh wow, we both

1230
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 3: loved it, hated it.

1231
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: I just didn't.

1232
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: It was our second favorite movie of the year.

1233
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 2: WHOA What was number one?

1234
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: Oh?

1235
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved it. Anatomy with Fall probably

1236
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 2: probably top top three for me?

1237
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: Wow?

1238
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 2: Really good?

1239
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: What was your top one?

1240
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 2: Uh? I don't know. Maybe an out of me of Fall.

1241
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 3: Actually, now that I'm on the spot, I know that

1242
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 3: there's at least two others that I loved a lot

1243
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 3: last year.

1244
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 2: What were the other two? That's what I'm saying. I

1245
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 2: can't Oh, you can't remember.

1246
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: It was Priscilla.

1247
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 2: The Whale came out twenty twenty two. I loved the Whale.

1248
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 2: You loved the Whale. I loved I watched it two

1249
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: nights ago. I cried, well, George.

1250
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: Famously watching it, famously cried watching it. But I do

1251
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: think it was the Altitude, because I was.

1252
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 2: No, it's a beautiful movie.

1253
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: No, it will make you cry. Well, it certainly wants

1254
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: to make you cry, and it does really is trying hard?

1255
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: You have a heart. I cried again. I knew what

1256
01:01:59,080 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: was going to happen.

1257
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 3: I knew that the daughter was going to relent at

1258
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 3: the very last second and start crying and hug her dad,

1259
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 3: and it's I still wept.

1260
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 2: Wow did you watch it specifically to feel bad? To

1261
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 2: like wallow in your sadness of being in la a

1262
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 2: little bit? I was just a friend though.

1263
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 3: Oh, we were both like, this would be kind of

1264
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 3: funny to just like watch a sad movie and cry together,

1265
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 3: and we did.

1266
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 2: You popped on the way. Wow, it was great.

1267
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 3: It was great.

1268
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1269
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: Wow, to be it's almost giving it and storry for

1270
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: saying when straight guys would like jerk off together sort

1271
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: of the adult version of that, yeah a little bit.

1272
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah that's nice. Yeah, we're jerking off with the child version.

1273
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: Exactly her kids and crying. Is it is weird?

1274
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1275
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 3: What other good movie came out last year? I know

1276
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 3: this is now bad podcasting? No good, it's always good

1277
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 3: podcasting to be like always good.

1278
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: More things May December, Barbie, The Holdovers.

1279
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 3: Some good movies, The Good Year. May December was pretty

1280
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 3: I really like Rember. Not as good as an Adam

1281
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 3: be a fall.

1282
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,439
Speaker 2: I'd put it up there for me. Okay, this is boring.

1283
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 2: Now we can't do.

1284
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,439
Speaker 1: Wait, so do you guys want to do you? Okay?

1285
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: So Sam, your answer is you want to know about

1286
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: America from the fifth people in nineties, which is an

1287
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: iconic answer.

1288
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 2: When you put it like that, it sounds so stupid.

1289
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 2: But yes, no, no, okay.

1290
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 3: I think China from the beginning of time to now. Okay,

1291
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 3: that's what I would. I wish I knew everything about China,

1292
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 3: and from a Chinese historian, because I feel like China

1293
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 3: is like another planet, just in terms of a there's

1294
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 3: a billion people there, yeah, like completely different, like un

1295
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 3: India is a billion people, but they're weirdly related to

1296
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 3: the West in a way, like we have a similar

1297
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 3: language family, Like there's some connections. China's like just been

1298
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 3: different forever and it's existed in its own has no

1299
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 3: connection to the Roman Empire, no connection to Western civilization whatsoever.

1300
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 3: And it's just its own thing forever. And I don't

1301
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,479
Speaker 3: know too much about it, and that makes me sad.

1302
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 3: I love I love, I love China. I want to

1303
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 3: know more about it.

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01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 2: Wow, And it scares me. China scares me as a concept. Well,

1305
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 2: it's so large, quite large, and there's a billion of them.

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Speaker 3: That's scary. JK kind of But.

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Speaker 1: Damn, George, am I gonna get canceled?

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01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 2: I am I gonna get canceled for this, George?

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Speaker 1: I mean not to be all. I mean, I guess

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Speaker 1: I have a few. All of my answers are very

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01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: like Howard's in. I'm like, I want to know more

1312
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: about like the specifics of American foreign policy destroying the

1313
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: Middle East. I want to know more about native history.

1314
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: And then the more self serving one is I want

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01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: to know more about contemporary Greek history, like from post

1316
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: war to now, because I feel like all of everything

1317
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: we were taught in school was about ancient Greece because

1318
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: everyone was fetishizing ancient Greece because that was the last

1319
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: time Greece was number one. And I'm like, all right,

1320
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: let's see, like how did we get here? When did

1321
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: people stop paying taxes? Like what what exactly? You know

1322
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,439
Speaker 1: what happened? I mean, I guess I know a little

1323
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: bit about the Ottoman rule and all that stuff, but

1324
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: I would love to know, good Air. I mean, I'm

1325
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: ashamed to say it. I know way more about America

1326
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: than I know about Greece, despite sort of being equally

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Speaker 1: from both of those places.

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Speaker 2: Greece gets a good amount of airtime though, I really does,

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01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 2: even in like American schools in a pretty surprising way.

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Speaker 1: But not contemporary Greece, no, no, no, no, yeah, yeah no.

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Speaker 1: Ancient yeah for sure. I mean I even when we

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Speaker 1: lived in the States, I would you would learn about

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01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: ancient Greece and ancient Rome, I mean and all that.

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Speaker 3: Suff This might be really offensive, but Greece today is it?

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01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 3: Would you say that it's kind of very influenced by

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01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 3: I'm so curious, you know, it's very influenced by like

1337
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 3: the Slavic nations around it, that it's sort of lost.

1338
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's what the thing. I don't

1339
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: want to misspeak, but I think to me growing up there,

1340
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: I think there's always this push and pull of Greece

1341
01:05:55,000 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: being this small like bulk country, let's say, and then

1342
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: also having ambitions to be a quote unquote serious European country.

1343
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: Like there is this almost like almost the anxiety of

1344
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: like someone in the middle class who wants to be

1345
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: upper class like Greece just wants to be as you know,

1346
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: stable and rich, and whatever as like you know, France, Germany, whatever,

1347
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: and yet it has it is just this small country

1348
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: with a small economy. The main industry is like shipping

1349
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: and tourism. It doesn't have even compared to other small countries.

1350
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: Compared to I mean think about Italy, which is also

1351
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: a small country, how many like car companies and fashion

1352
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: companies and like food and whatever is there. It's like,

1353
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: what is Greece export like Gilbert and all of anyway,

1354
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 1: so is.

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01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 3: At the same time it has like definitely based on geography,

1356
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 3: done a pretty good job of like standing out just

1357
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 3: on a culture level, Like when people say I'm going

1358
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 3: to Greece, no one imagines like, oh, you're gonna pass

1359
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 3: over Bosnia and Herzegovina and sure that it's in Eastern

1360
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 3: Europe because it just kind of like beat those charges somehow.

1361
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: It also is just such a like what you imagine

1362
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: when you imagine Greece is so specific. It's like people

1363
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: imagine the Parthenon and they imagine like islands and beautiful

1364
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: beaches and it will always have that. Yeah, yeah, good job.

1365
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 2: Grease, good job, Grease, good job to Greece's pr seriously

1366
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 2: good job of Greece's pr Damn should we do our

1367
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 2: final segment? I guess it's time, Yeah, ismail. Our final

1368
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 2: segment is called shout outs, and in this segment we

1369
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 2: give a shout out to anything that we enjoy. So

1370
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 2: imagine you're at TRL in two thousand and one shouting

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01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:00,080
Speaker 2: out to your squad back home, but about anything that

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01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 2: you are liking, and we will go first. Of course,

1373
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 2: can I sarcastically like something?

1374
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: Of course, totally. You can use this. We're fluent in sarcasm.

1375
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually do have one, I think, so I

1376
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 2: can go. Okay, let's see if I can become even

1377
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,879
Speaker 2: more unlikable in this episode. What is up? Breaks losers

1378
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 2: and perverts?

1379
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 3: I want to give a huge shout out to buying

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01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 3: a coffee.

1381
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 2: I you know, as many know, I'm going into the

1382
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 2: office these days. Guess what they have in their free coffee.

1383
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 2: You think it's a blessing. You think I can have

1384
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 2: as much as I want and no one can tell

1385
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 2: me to stop. But guess what, when it's free, you

1386
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 2: don't enjoy it as much. It does not feel like

1387
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 2: a treat. It feels like medicine.

1388
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 3: And yesterday I was walking and because I also lived

1389
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, California, and in the neighborhood that's not

1390
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 3: particularly walkable. I can't just walk out the door and

1391
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 3: go get a coffee like I normally would.

1392
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 2: And yesterday I was in a different neighborhood and I

1393
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 2: walked back a coffee shop and said, I actually haven't

1394
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 2: bought a coffee in two weeks, And so I bought

1395
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 2: a coffee and I felt like myself again. I felt

1396
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 2: like I was hearing my favorite song around all my

1397
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,839
Speaker 2: favorite friends. And just because I was paying four dollars

1398
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 2: and fifty cents for a small hot coffee, I it

1399
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 2: tasted better than free coffee, and it made me feel

1400
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 2: like I was in control of my life for once

1401
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 2: in my life. So buy your coffees. Yes, it's more expensive,

1402
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 2: but sometimes spending money is just worth it. Xoxo.

1403
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah that was amazing.

1404
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 2: I relate to that. Yeah, thank you, it's you. Really.

1405
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 2: I really did think office coffee would like change my life,

1406
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 2: and it pummes me out kind of. It's sad.

1407
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something sad about making a coffee and then

1408
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:02,839
Speaker 3: drinking it. It just like takes out the humanity involved

1409
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 3: in like making a lady with tattoos make it for you. Yeah,

1410
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 3: that for some reason makes it just feels better.

1411
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 2: It just feels better. It really does.

1412
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: I say, I like the way that I rely on

1413
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 1: I need to make my own coffee in the morning

1414
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: to almost feel like I accomplished. It's like the first

1415
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: thing I can say I accomplished.

1416
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 2: Oh.

1417
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: It makes me start my day feeling like I can

1418
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: do a task. And I actually find that the days

1419
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: that I do just go and buy a coffee, it

1420
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 1: is more difficult for me to accomplish things later on.

1421
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 1: It's sort of like breaking the seal. See.

1422
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 2: I have the oppositivity where sometimes that if I make

1423
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 2: a coffee, then I'm like, okay, well that was all

1424
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 2: my productive energy for today total.

1425
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: That's actually how I feel about exercising, which like where

1426
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm finally like in a place where I'm

1427
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: sort of regularly exercising, and then when I go to

1428
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: the gym, I come back and I'm like, oh, phew,

1429
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 1: that is like enough for today, and It'll be like

1430
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: ten am.

1431
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, making coffee when I was married did make me

1432
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 3: feel more like how you're saying, George, Like it made

1433
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 3: me think I'm doing something for my family.

1434
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: Exactly your way.

1435
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 3: I'm helping her, I'm helping me. We're both getting energy,

1436
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 3: but now that I'm alone, it feels sad to make

1437
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 3: it alone.

1438
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: Well, I also actually think that might be related to

1439
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: what Sam, what you're saying, because I mean, I know

1440
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 1: you like buying coffee, even in New York, but like,

1441
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: especially now that you're away from your partner, it would

1442
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 1: be depressing to just make coffee for yourself.

1443
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, horribly so, Yeah, I mean in New York, I

1444
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 3: like to buy I like to make coffee on the

1445
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 3: weekdays and then buy it on the weekends. That's how

1446
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 3: I that's how I have little treats.

1447
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 2: Good systems, good systems, a good system.

1448
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, I'll go. I'm trying to think

1449
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: what I want to say. What's up Cinophiles out there?

1450
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: That's right. This is my second film shout out in

1451
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: three episodes. I want to give a shout out to

1452
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: the filmography of Christopher Guest. I have been, I have.

1453
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: If you are depressed, if you find yourself sad, if

1454
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 1: you need something to really cheer you up, you got

1455
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: to go on Amazon dot com, a company I love,

1456
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:22,799
Speaker 1: and search Christopher Guest and you gotta stream those films.

1457
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: My one blind spot with him was I had never

1458
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 1: seen a Mighty Win. I watched it. When I tell you,

1459
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 1: I actually teared up at the end, despite the fact

1460
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 1: that the entire movie is so completely and I say

1461
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: this in a positive way, completely stupid. The humor is stupid.

1462
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 1: Everyone is so ridiculous and cartoonish. And at the end

1463
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: they stick the emotional landing and there is a kiss

1464
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: and I won't ruin anything. There is a kiss that

1465
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 1: makes you believe in love again. And I just think

1466
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: every single person involved, you know, I know Jennifer Coolidge.

1467
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: Now everyone and their mother is doing a Jennifer Coolidge

1468
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: impression on TikTok. Well, guess what. Some of us were

1469
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: there from day one. And I encourage everyone to go

1470
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: go watch Waiting for Guff butan go watch for your consideration,

1471
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: go watch Mighty Win. That is what true comedy is,

1472
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:12,560
Speaker 1: and we are starving for it. Let's just say that whoop.

1473
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,639
Speaker 2: And thank you for adding a dig in your shout

1474
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 2: out to If I see a Jennifer Coolidge impression at

1475
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 2: this point in time, my head's gonna explode.

1476
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: Well made me talk about knowing your history. The fact

1477
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: the current Jennifer Coolidge moment has made me forget that

1478
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: that's not all she does. Like, yes, that is part

1479
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: of her toolbox is doing that voice and being like

1480
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 1: spacey and whatever. But she has played like a lot

1481
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 1: of insane characters and has actually more range than people

1482
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: give her credit for.

1483
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1484
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, the impression is annoying because at this point it

1485
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 3: feels like she's doing the impression.

1486
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: Yes, it's true.

1487
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's happening now? Yeah, that's always sad when that happens. Okay,

1488
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 2: ismail whenever you're ready.

1489
01:13:56,240 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 3: Okay, what's up, big kitty bitches. I want to give

1490
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 3: a shout out to women who keep their husband's last

1491
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 3: names after getting divorced, especially if they were white and

1492
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 3: they were married to an ethnic man and now they

1493
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 3: just weirdly have an ethnic last name and they're just

1494
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 3: a white girl walking around and maybe people will think

1495
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 3: their arab secretly and it's feels like stolen valor a

1496
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 3: little bit. And uh, I think it's cool. I think

1497
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 3: it's fun and you know, go off and yeah, I

1498
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 3: like it a lot.

1499
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: Wow, I can't might be us targeting and a specific person.

1500
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 2: Can use our podcast to docs your ex wife this

1501
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 2: is crazy. You know, it's always when we have straight

1502
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 2: guys on here, the audience is always, you know, sort

1503
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 2: of torn.

1504
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you will get hate mail, unfortunately. I want everyone

1505
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: to know we I want everyone know we had a

1506
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: great time and we and we love Ismael And if

1507
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: people will project things onto every time I have a

1508
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,560
Speaker 1: straight guest, they'll be like Sam and George sounded uncomfortable.

1509
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they love to do that. Yeah that sucks.

1510
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sam, I love you. I've only known you for

1511
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,480
Speaker 3: like a month and a half, but like I feel.

1512
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 2: I feel like I will tell you a feeling. I

1513
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 2: want you to do something. Yeah, we should hang out,

1514
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 2: we should do something. We should go to a show together,

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Speaker 2: we should do something. Yeah, that'd be fun. I think

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Speaker 2: it'd be fun.

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Speaker 1: After the first week of work, I believe I asked Sam, like,

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01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: how the room was, and the first thing you said

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Speaker 1: was I made a new friend.

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Speaker 2: Oh dude, that's great.

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01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: It's true.

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Speaker 3: Everyone asks everyone's like who's in the room, and then

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Speaker 3: I say Sam and they go, oh, he's so funny.

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Speaker 2: I know, he's awesome. Wow, Okay, I love that.

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Speaker 1: It's great, all right, I get her.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, George, thanks for guesting on our podcast and.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys have me back soon. Everyone listening

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Speaker 1: at home, I have a show at the Bell House

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Speaker 1: and uh yeah, okay, but it's mail for real. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for doing it and it's.

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Speaker 2: A lot of fun. Fine, don't hate me people.

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Speaker 6: Bye, Hi podcast and now want more? Subscribe to our

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Speaker 6: Patreon for two extra episodes a month, discord access and

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Speaker 6: more by heading to patreon dot com. Slash Stradio Lab.

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Speaker 3: And for all our visual learners, free full length video

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Speaker 3: episodes are available on our YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Now get back to work.