Speaker 1: Music Saved Me because writing is personal. It's all about
Speaker 1: the song. You know, I can sing my face off,
Speaker 1: but if I'm singing for no reason and like there's
Speaker 1: no meaning behind what I'm singing, nobody's gonna feel anything.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter how boring. I would get tired
Speaker 1: of me singing like that.
Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of the Music Saved Me Podcast,
Speaker 2: where we explore the profound ways that music connects art
Speaker 2: to emotional healing and shines a light on the stories
Speaker 2: of artists who have been personally impacted by its power.
Speaker 2: I'm your host, Lynn Hoffman, and welcome to the show. Today,
Speaker 2: we are so thrilled to welcome singer, songwriter and Broadway
Speaker 2: performer Kelsey Watts.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: You may know Kelsey from her viral performances on a
Speaker 2: little show called NBC's The Voice, where her powerhouse vocals
Speaker 2: and heartfelt artistry earned her a spot on Team Kelly
Speaker 2: and millions of fans worldwide. But Kelsey's journey with music
Speaker 2: goes far beyond the stage and the spotlight. She was
Speaker 2: born into a musical family and has been using her
Speaker 2: voice not only to entertain, but also to heal, which
Speaker 2: is such a beautiful thing both herself and others through
Speaker 2: original songs that tackle themes of loss, resilience.
Speaker 1: And hope.
Speaker 2: Kelsey's advocacy for mental health is deeply personal. After losing
Speaker 2: her brother to depression, she channeled her grief into songwriting,
Speaker 2: creating moving tracks like I Can't Say Goodbye that offer
Speaker 2: comfort and solidarity to anyone struggling with loss or emotional pain.
Speaker 2: Her story is a testament to how music can be
Speaker 2: a lifeline in our darkest moments, a message that truly
Speaker 2: resonates at the core of this podcast. In this episode,
Speaker 2: Kelsey opens up about her creative process, her experiences on
Speaker 2: Broadway and the Voice, and how music's been a source
Speaker 2: of healing and connection throughout her life. Now, whether you're
Speaker 2: an artist or a fan, we sure do you hope
Speaker 2: Kelsey's journey inspires you and reminds you that you are
Speaker 2: never alone no matter what you're facing. Let's dive into
Speaker 2: this honest and uplifting conversation with the beautiful and incredibly
Speaker 2: talented Kelsey Watts on Music Save Me. Kelsey, Welcome to
Speaker 2: the show. It is wonderful to have you here.
Speaker 1: Hi, Oh my gosh, thank you. What an intro. My word.
Speaker 2: Well, I was so kind, very deservant of it, But
Speaker 2: certainly I'd love to start with the beginning in your
Speaker 2: early influences. Can you tell us about your earliest memories
Speaker 2: of music and how it became such an important part
Speaker 2: of your life.
Speaker 1: Of course, I really feel so cliche every single time
Speaker 1: I say this, because it's it's just the truth. I
Speaker 1: don't remember learning to sing. But the first video we
Speaker 1: have of me singing, I was two years old in
Speaker 1: looney tune pajamas, sitting on the fireplace, singing old song
Speaker 1: called the Basics of Life by a gospel group called
Speaker 1: for him. And it's just I've just grown up with music.
Speaker 1: Both of my parents sing and played piano and grew
Speaker 1: up singing in church. So I really don't remember life
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: Crazy enough, that's pretty cool that you have that memory
Speaker 2: so far back, too.
Speaker 1: Well, I've seen the video, man, Okay.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I can't think beyond like ten.
Speaker 1: Two years old. Yeah, no, I couldn't. I do not
Speaker 1: remember that moment, but I've seen the video enough to
Speaker 1: where I'm like, well, that was real, So I guess
Speaker 1: it was me. It was meant to be. It was
Speaker 1: meant meant to be.
Speaker 2: Was there a moment or a song when you realized
Speaker 2: that music was a source of healing and had that
Speaker 2: kind of power.
Speaker 1: Hmmm. I don't know if healing necessarily is the word
Speaker 1: I would use for it. Like at the first time
Speaker 1: I really felt like emotionally moved by music. But we
Speaker 1: were on a vacation and we would always drive because
Speaker 1: we had five people in our family, And so as
Speaker 1: we're driving, I remember my parents playing Lem's rob the
Speaker 1: musical and it was the tenth anniversary edition, and I
Speaker 1: remember finally understanding like that Fontine was dying, and I
Speaker 1: was distraught, like absolutely distraught, like crying in the backseat, like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, there's not okay, like, and the five
Speaker 1: finally like moved, like I was really really moved by it.
Speaker 1: So that's the first time I actually remember having like
Speaker 1: an emotional impact by music for sure.
Speaker 2: Who were some of your early influences? This is I
Speaker 2: love to ask this question because it always blows me away.
Speaker 2: The younger the people I talked to, the more they
Speaker 2: listen to music I listened to growing up, which blows
Speaker 2: me away.
Speaker 1: Oh. I really think it's because that music is iconic,
Speaker 1: like legendary, it is. It is truly timeless. So I
Speaker 1: mean Whitney Houston, Seline Yon, Tina Turner. But I was
Speaker 1: also brought up on you know, def Leppard, the Rolling
Speaker 1: Stones and Kiss and you know then Kirk Franklin and
Speaker 1: I mean all of these like combinations, but from me
Speaker 1: as a vocalist, Whitney Houston and Selene were really really
Speaker 1: big influences. They just grow That's I feel like, that's
Speaker 1: all I listen to growing up.
Speaker 2: Wow, Well, that explains why you sound the way you do.
Speaker 2: You give them a run for their money. Now, on
Speaker 2: your personal journey and challenges, You've been very open about that,
Speaker 2: especially with grief and mental health, which you know, not
Speaker 2: normal to talk about publicly, right, I'm sure you know
Speaker 2: how did music help you process those emotions?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So I lost my brother in twenty thirteen. And
Speaker 1: most of the time, whenever people say they've lost somebody
Speaker 1: to depression or they've taken their own life like it's
Speaker 1: not a very popular topic of conversation. But a reason
Speaker 1: that I love to talk about it is because it
Speaker 1: gives a little bit of insight into what happens like
Speaker 1: and everybody story is different, obviously, but for us, you know, Jordan,
Speaker 1: there weren't telling signs. It's not like there was a
Speaker 1: big plan out. He didn't leave anything there was. Long
Speaker 1: story short, Once we got the autopsy back, we found
Speaker 1: out he had run out of his medication, went from
Speaker 1: such a high to such a low. It really was
Speaker 1: a chemical like just his brain literally just broke. So
Speaker 1: I love to talk about it because it gives people
Speaker 1: a little bit more insight into what depression is. That
Speaker 1: it's not just being sad, it's actually a chemical imbalance
Speaker 1: in your brain, which is every other mental struggle as well.
Speaker 1: So you know, I love to just give a little
Speaker 1: bit of education as best I can. I'm not an expert,
Speaker 1: but I lived it, so I've just I'll just share
Speaker 1: at least what I've learned. But then using music in
Speaker 1: order to heal from that is something that I'm able
Speaker 1: to pass on. Like not only am I able to
Speaker 1: tell peop, well, hey you're not alone, because I have
Speaker 1: lived it. So even if I don't know exactly how
Speaker 1: you feel, I can relate enough and then to be
Speaker 1: able to put it into music, to be like this
Speaker 1: song is for anybody that's lost somebody too soon, you know,
Speaker 1: it's I think it's important because then people don't feel alone,
Speaker 1: because the biggest way that people like feel isolated is
Speaker 1: because they think, oh, well, I'm weird. Oh nobody else
Speaker 1: has ever dealt with this. Oh I'm you know, it's
Speaker 1: just me. Everyone's going to think I'm a burden or
Speaker 1: or that this is a weird thing to deal with
Speaker 1: or struggle with. And the reality is it's not weird.
Speaker 1: It's very normal, very very normal. And so I think
Speaker 1: the more that we talk about it, the less taboo
Speaker 1: it becomes, and the more comfortable other people begin to
Speaker 1: talk about it. You know what, now.
Speaker 2: It's very giving to want It's so selfless what you're doing.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of people would turn inward and
Speaker 2: maybe just being you know, the family or your close
Speaker 2: friends you would talk to, or a therapist. But what
Speaker 2: made you want to share this with people? Just just
Speaker 2: out of wanting others to be okay? I mean, that's
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing that you do. Thank you easy.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's not and I I really believe it
Speaker 1: brings purpose to the pain. One thing that my dad
Speaker 1: has always said is, you know, we are making it.
Speaker 1: You know, people so often say, oh, we're gonna make it.
Speaker 1: You're gonna make it. You're gonna make it. And with
Speaker 1: a loss of this nature and with any sudden loss, honestly,
Speaker 1: you are making it every day. You have to learn
Speaker 1: to live with the grief instead of in the grief.
Speaker 1: And for me, being able to share this story allows
Speaker 1: Jordan's story to continue to minister to other people, and
Speaker 1: that feels like it at least brings purpose to the
Speaker 1: pain because it keeps him alive. Well yeah, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: for real, the amount of people that don't have never
Speaker 1: met my brother but feel like they know him are countless.
Speaker 1: It's insane.
Speaker 2: That's incredible. What was it like to channel your personal
Speaker 2: experiences into your songwriting? I mean again very inward and
Speaker 2: sharing personal things, which a lot of artists don't do.
Speaker 2: You know, left to kind of figure out how does
Speaker 2: this relate to my life? But you're like, this is
Speaker 2: this is really your life?
Speaker 1: Yes? You know it's there's parts of it where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: how fun because I can really relate to this, and
Speaker 1: then there's other parts where it really is painful, and
Speaker 1: you have to learn how to separate in the moment, Like, sure,
Speaker 1: you can let yourself feel it, but it's also very
Speaker 1: important to process deal with it so that way you
Speaker 1: can write about it and not have like an emotional
Speaker 1: breakdown every time you talk about it or write about it.
Speaker 1: Which I'm so grateful for my therapist because she helped
Speaker 1: the ton with that being able to process the grief.
Speaker 1: So when I do put it into my music, even
Speaker 1: though it is raw and vulnerable, I'm able to say, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm writing a story about this. Yes it's my story,
Speaker 1: but it's going to do a lot of good because
Speaker 1: it's going to reach a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to separate that out, I mean, I know, just
Speaker 2: when I get choked up about anything emotional, I can't
Speaker 2: even get a word out. I don't know how you
Speaker 2: could sing without having some type of.
Speaker 1: The first few times it was really hard, especially if
Speaker 1: I can't say goodbye singing that live, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no. And then especially if like my husband's in
Speaker 1: the audience or if my family's at oh, then I'm
Speaker 1: like I can't look at you. I need I need
Speaker 1: to just sit way over there because I will not
Speaker 1: be able to turn off the house turn around.
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, Well let's move on to something that
Speaker 2: I'm dying to know about the voice and Broadway, because
Speaker 2: these are two humongous things for you. I want to
Speaker 2: know what your experience on The Voice was like and
Speaker 2: how it was able to shape you as an artist.
Speaker 2: I don't really know where you were before you got
Speaker 2: there in terms of your skills, so I'm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. I feel like I'm always surprised with
Speaker 1: this answer because the public view is Wow, The Voice
Speaker 1: has created so many artists and this is what they
Speaker 1: did and how awesome. Realistically speaking, I spent maybe a
Speaker 1: total of ten minutes with Kelly, who's a lovely human,
Speaker 1: But as far as being shaped as an artist, I
Speaker 1: don't think it really was. One thing that it did
Speaker 1: really teach me, though, was to have a very thick
Speaker 1: skin and to see this as a business. Like I'd
Speaker 1: already seen it as a business, but going into it,
Speaker 1: I had to understand, this show is not going to
Speaker 1: make me famous, It is not going to be my
Speaker 1: like I've made it. But what it is going to
Speaker 1: do is bring so much visibility to me and bring
Speaker 1: me a lot of eyes that I couldn't even pay for.
Speaker 1: So it taught me how to really dig into that
Speaker 1: part of it and then to start showing people who
Speaker 1: I really am because I was like, that's what people
Speaker 1: are going to get or want to, like, are going
Speaker 1: to want to latch onto outside of his show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazingly insightful because no. I mean example, I
Speaker 2: was featured in a magazine early on. I was working
Speaker 2: in a town in Boston and short story, my mom said,
Speaker 2: oh my god, maybe someone will see the picture and
Speaker 2: they'll offer you a job. And I said, no, it
Speaker 2: doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. No, it'd be really cool
Speaker 1: if it did, Yeah, wouldn't it. I know. Wow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm curious your thoughts.
Speaker 2: How does performing on Broadway compared to singing on a
Speaker 2: televised stage, because a lot of people don't really that
Speaker 2: the televised stage is for the audience at home. Broadways
Speaker 2: for the audience in the house.
Speaker 1: Yes, they're so different. It is. It is so different.
Speaker 1: For I mean even even with six I did a
Speaker 1: press performance and its performed like to the cameras, and
Speaker 1: that that alone is so odd. That was confusing. I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, this is a stage song. How am
Speaker 1: I doing? Okay, Like my brain sort of like freaking out,
Speaker 1: But you know on television, yes, it's live. So I
Speaker 1: mean they're both live, right, but the sound is way different.
Speaker 1: Audience is like, we didn't have an audience on my
Speaker 1: season because I was during COVID, so the audience was
Speaker 1: at home.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, even more strange.
Speaker 1: It was weird. Yeah, it was really really weird. So
Speaker 1: I was like, I just feel like I'm in an
Speaker 1: audition every day. Yeah, I bet, But it was more
Speaker 1: of a Okay, this is going to be taped. There's
Speaker 1: going to be multiple shots. I know, it's going to
Speaker 1: be edited together. Nine out of ten they'll add like
Speaker 1: an effect to the final vocal as they're taping, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much more that goes into it.
Speaker 1: So with theater, which I think is a million times
Speaker 1: more difficult, Oh my word, it's you can't like just
Speaker 1: do it over. You'll be like, oh, hey, hold on
Speaker 1: one sec. I'm gonna I'm gonna redo that. Like if
Speaker 1: you miss a note, if you miss the beat, you're
Speaker 1: you're It's obvious. And there are only six of us
Speaker 1: on stage, so you really can't. You don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of room for error. And you're also dealing with
Speaker 1: a live audience's response when you're playing a character, but
Speaker 1: you're also interacting with them, but I'm not Kelsey interacting
Speaker 1: with them. I'm a character interacting with them. So it's
Speaker 1: there are just a lot more layers, whereas both of
Speaker 1: them can be really intense and a lot of work.
Speaker 1: On the television side, I'm just Kelsey Kelsey, and I'm
Speaker 1: doing this one song, this one performance because it's for
Speaker 1: a TV show, and everybody knows exactly what it's for
Speaker 1: and they already like me just because I'm on the voice.
Speaker 1: And then you're in theater and there have been so
Speaker 1: many different casts, They've heard so many people sing this song.
Speaker 1: Some people don't even like theater that have come to
Speaker 1: the show along with them, you know, and you're just like, hey,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I hope to god you really like this,
Speaker 1: and you're trying to, you know, be in this character
Speaker 1: of it also be really entertaining at the same time,
Speaker 1: on top of doing it eight times a week and
Speaker 1: you're dancing for an hour and a half and heals
Speaker 1: every single show, not leaving stage, trying to stay healthy.
Speaker 1: There's just a lot. There's just a lot more to it.
Speaker 1: And sometimes people, you know, even though you're not allowed
Speaker 1: to film, sometimes people will get away with filming, and
Speaker 1: sometimes it's not a great night, Like if you see bootlegs,
Speaker 1: which right under it's a very controversial topic, but whenever
Speaker 1: people you know, like take bootlegs and people that can't
Speaker 1: don't have access to theater love them because they're like
Speaker 1: I get to see a show. But then sometimes for
Speaker 1: the actor it's not their best day, sometimes really tired,
Speaker 1: and they'll get judged on one single performance where like
Speaker 1: something messed up, and so it's just I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot more at risk in a live Yeah.
Speaker 2: You're right, there is. There definitely is. There's a vulnerability
Speaker 2: and then also that vibe like you said, you know
Speaker 2: the voice.
Speaker 1: They're all like team but you know Kelsey, and there's
Speaker 1: a right inside it just because I'm on it. Yeah
Speaker 1: really yeah, it's amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And Broadway you're like, you know, people are looking at
Speaker 2: you like let's see it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you be like what is this? Yeah? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean now, granted, we get really awesome audiences because our
Speaker 1: show is really fun and nine times out of ten
Speaker 1: people are very like receptive and super fun, but man,
Speaker 1: it is very difficult when you get the ones that
Speaker 1: aren't and they're just on the front row. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you got to keep going and smiling. You're still smiling
Speaker 1: because you're still in character and you're going to give
Speaker 1: them the same show you give anybody else. So did
Speaker 1: you learn It's incredible?
Speaker 2: And what a character builder or a strength builder for
Speaker 2: you personally?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: Is there anything that you can think of that you
Speaker 2: learned personally or as a performer during those sort of
Speaker 2: really high profile moments in your life?
Speaker 1: Yes, for me, in any performance that I give, whether
Speaker 1: it's in an arena of fifteen thousand people or on
Speaker 1: natural television or on Broadway or at home, like I
Speaker 1: every day, I'm like, all right, Jesus, I'm just singing
Speaker 1: for you. That's it. And it takes away any pressure
Speaker 1: I feel to be perfect or to be great or
Speaker 1: to impress. So I always love. For me personally, faith
Speaker 1: is a big part of my life, and it allows
Speaker 1: me to refocus and resenter myself and say, all right,
Speaker 1: I sing for an audience of one and that's all
Speaker 1: the matters. So if these people love me, amazing. If
Speaker 1: they hate me, that's okay. They don't have to love me.
Speaker 1: So that's huge. Yes, And it did not happen overnight.
Speaker 1: Let me talk like it took a while because as performers,
Speaker 1: we like, we love performing, we love performing for people,
Speaker 1: you know, Like we don't perform for the applause, but
Speaker 1: if you don't get an applause, you're like, what did
Speaker 1: I do wrong? Why don't you like me? What happened?
Speaker 1: You know? And we're so easily influenced to buy audience's
Speaker 1: reactions or comments online or because we're putting out craft
Speaker 1: out there and performing. Yes, we put ourselves out there,
Speaker 1: that's our job, but also it's just being human, like
Speaker 1: you just want that validation. And so it took me
Speaker 1: a while to really be able to focus in on
Speaker 1: that and be like, well, this is why I can
Speaker 1: be calm on national television, on a Broadway stage in
Speaker 1: an arena, like because I'm like, I just I'm singing
Speaker 1: for an audience of one, and that's the way that
Speaker 1: I stay calm. That's all I can do.
Speaker 2: It's amazing, that is no, but I really for you
Speaker 2: to be able to figure that out even you know, Also,
Speaker 2: I would say that most performers want to perform because
Speaker 2: they want to make people feel good, happy. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, there's so much selflessness in it. But then
Speaker 2: there's all that personal stuff that gets in the way.
Speaker 2: So if you're able to find that faith, as you said,
Speaker 2: to know that there's no pressure on you really than
Speaker 2: what you put on yourself.
Speaker 1: It's so true. It is. It's so true. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: as long as if I'm doing my job, I'm warming
Speaker 1: up correctly, I know my voice is in the right
Speaker 1: place and taking care of my body. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: I know the steps, I know the songs, I know
Speaker 1: where I'm supposed to be and what I'm doing. Well,
Speaker 1: then I I don't. I already have the job. So
Speaker 1: as long as stay good at what I'm doing, I'm fine.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it takes away the pressure for me to
Speaker 1: feel like I have to be something that I'm not.
Speaker 2: It's so true to what you just said, and it
Speaker 2: works in any profession, you know, wherever, whatever you're doing
Speaker 2: in life. To carry that type of wisdom, it's pretty incredible.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more of the Music Saved
Speaker 2: Me podcast. And by the way, if you like this podcast,
Speaker 2: you are going to love our companion podcast called Taken
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Music Saved Me podcast, the podcast
Speaker 2: where we discuss the healing powers of music with some
Speaker 2: of the biggest names in music as well as up
Speaker 2: and comers. Now, speaking of putting yourself out there, there's
Speaker 2: a creative process. I would love for you to just
Speaker 2: walk us through a little bit of your songwriting process
Speaker 2: and where you find your inspiration to write songs and
Speaker 2: is are you ever what are you thinking when you're writing?
Speaker 2: Is this I know people are going to relate to
Speaker 2: this or is it just your story? What's your process?
Speaker 1: Like? So I really love to write with people's That's
Speaker 1: what I enjoy. And sometimes you're writing for sync which
Speaker 1: is TV film, movie like things like that, where you're
Speaker 1: you're writing a song for a prompt for something to
Speaker 1: be placed for an advertisement, things like that. And then
Speaker 1: sometimes you can do both at the same time and
Speaker 1: you're writing for sinc but it's also for yourself and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I could totally release this as Kelsey Watts,
Speaker 1: but then this would also do really great in a
Speaker 1: sports ad, you know. I mean, so I like to
Speaker 1: think that way as well. But I think the best
Speaker 1: example is the song that I'm about to release in
Speaker 1: a few weeks is called fit In, and I was
Speaker 1: writing it with a guy named d Q. He's worked
Speaker 1: with Gosh, Demulevado, Sosha Fiers. He's a great vocal producer.
Speaker 1: He's incredible, and he's out of Nashville. And whenever we
Speaker 1: first met, we just kind of sat down and hung
Speaker 1: out for a bit. So anytime I'm writing with somebody new,
Speaker 1: but first like two hours, really you're like, hey, let's
Speaker 1: go get a coffee. You want to like just chill,
Speaker 1: you know, let's just talk figure out what life is
Speaker 1: about instead of you know, okay, we're here, let's write
Speaker 1: a song. You know very Sometimes yeah, I'm sure sometimes
Speaker 1: it's like that, but I don't. I don't like that,
Speaker 1: so I won't work that way because writing is personal.
Speaker 1: It's all about the song. You know, I can sing
Speaker 1: my face off, but if I'm singing for no reason
Speaker 1: and like there's no meaning behind what I'm singing, nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna feel anything. So it doesn't matter how boring. Like
Speaker 1: I would get tired of me singing like that. So
Speaker 1: with this song, we were like, okay, well, you know,
Speaker 1: what are some things that you've been feeling? How how's
Speaker 1: life been, or you know, what's something that you've always
Speaker 1: wanted to say? And we got into this topic of well,
Speaker 1: I was never the cool kid growing up, Like I
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, I didn't have a boyfriend. I wasn't
Speaker 1: invited to from okay, I didn't have a date like
Speaker 1: what you I never I never had a it from
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I never did friend like until
Speaker 1: gosh into college. Kind of yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, it tells me that it's not a bad thing though.
Speaker 1: No, it's it saved me from a lot. I'm very grateful.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not upset. I wasnay in the moment,
Speaker 1: I wasn't wasn't grateful, but down the line, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: that saved me from a lot of issues. Oh come,
Speaker 1: but you know, I like, yeah, I mean I wasn't
Speaker 1: you know, invited to the parties. And I kind of
Speaker 1: found my community in theater and choir and it was
Speaker 1: a very very very small community. But I had a
Speaker 1: couple of friends and I was always got along with everybody.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't. I wasn't in the it proud, you know.
Speaker 1: And so we were like, well, why don't we write
Speaker 1: about that? And so the entire premise of the song
Speaker 1: was like, all right, well, what if people told you, well,
Speaker 1: I've been told them a lot, like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: you're just a lot, am Well, you're not my people
Speaker 1: ben a lot?
Speaker 2: You mean just because you're you talk a lot or
Speaker 2: have a lot to say or thoughts.
Speaker 1: Thankfully, I haven't had people tell me that lately, like
Speaker 1: but in like in high school really was like middle
Speaker 1: school and high school were not fun for me. I
Speaker 1: did not enjoy them at all. And you know, people
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you're just a lot, And whether that
Speaker 1: meant personality was a lot, they never elaborated. They were
Speaker 1: just kind of mean, you know, So.
Speaker 2: What did you think it was?
Speaker 1: I thought it meant I was too loud, or I
Speaker 1: sang too much, or I talked too much to people,
Speaker 1: or like I needed to be more reserved, like my
Speaker 1: personally that's what you thought? Yeah, Like my person's interested
Speaker 1: was just like too much to handle and people didn't
Speaker 1: like that. You did it affect you in a negative way?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh my gosh. Absolutely. I felt like I
Speaker 1: constantly had to change who I was in order to
Speaker 1: be around people and to be accepted to fit in literally,
Speaker 1: which is why I call it in I was like,
Speaker 1: this is it? Yeah, so I mean it was. The
Speaker 1: whole story of the song is basically a The first
Speaker 1: line is I know that you think that you're a lot.
Speaker 1: You love until it costs you all you've got, You
Speaker 1: water it till you dry with everything you do, and
Speaker 1: then say you're going to change for real this time.
Speaker 1: But then you fall off and all in line, and
Speaker 1: when you look up you find the dirty truth that
Speaker 1: you're standing in your own way like it. And it's
Speaker 1: because it's like, well, oh no, I'm totally gonna be
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be fine, but I'm just gonna be me.
Speaker 1: And then you find yourself going back into this cycle
Speaker 1: of like, oh, well, what do people want me to be?
Speaker 1: And honestly, that was something that I really felt after
Speaker 1: leaving The Voice was I'd never released music before. I
Speaker 1: had always wanted to be an artist and felt like
Speaker 1: I was, but I didn't know how to get into
Speaker 1: oh gosh, finding producers and writing and doing all of
Speaker 1: the things, and and so I felt like I was
Speaker 1: being pulled in multiple directions. Well you should just sing
Speaker 1: ballads because you sing ballads really well, or well you
Speaker 1: should do this, or well you should do this, Well,
Speaker 1: you should just do pop because rock isn't really in
Speaker 1: right now, so just be pop. And I was like,
Speaker 1: just pop. So even into you know, being out of
Speaker 1: the Voice, I felt like I had to fit into
Speaker 1: some mold and honestly that lasted for a couple of years. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess what am I supposed to be? Like? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not supering a carpenter. I'm not around around it.
Speaker 1: I loved them. I think they're both amazing, but that's
Speaker 1: but that's not me, you know. So I was like,
Speaker 1: so how do I how do I make myself fit?
Speaker 1: And it just didn't work. It just simply didn't work.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until I really started pouring into social
Speaker 1: media in twenty twenty three that something finally clicked. Because
Speaker 1: I was so frustrated with social media I didn't want
Speaker 1: to do it anymore. I was like, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Why is everything I do based on numbers? I can't
Speaker 1: you know I don't have followers because I really didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean I had like like twenty k from the
Speaker 1: Voice on Instagram and what like seventy five k on
Speaker 1: TikTok just from like some videos that my husband had
Speaker 1: posted that went viral because it was a Disney video,
Speaker 1: but for me and I didn't have any like fans
Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, and so I just
Speaker 1: I was like, I just I'm not gonna do this anymore.
Speaker 1: And when I stopped trying and put forth the least
Speaker 1: amount of effort and just stuck my phone in the
Speaker 1: kitchen and put Brandon's phone here with a karaope track
Speaker 1: and was making coffee, which is actually my life, Like
Speaker 1: that's really what I do, you know, wasn't dulled up,
Speaker 1: didn't have make it bond like walk around in sweats,
Speaker 1: and everybody loved it. Even then, it took me a
Speaker 1: while to understand, like, no, people just want to know you.
Speaker 1: They just want to hear. They just want to hear using.
Speaker 1: They don't want to see all the extra stuff, like
Speaker 1: they want to get to know you. And so sure,
Speaker 1: as an artist, you know, you'll continue to develop and elevate,
Speaker 1: like the more successful that you get, and you can
Speaker 1: create all of the things you want to create as
Speaker 1: an artist, you know, and then you have the budget
Speaker 1: to create it. One day, yeah, you know, from like
Speaker 1: amazing one like one day my spectacles will be like
Speaker 1: Lady Gagaz because I'll have a label paying for them hopefully,
Speaker 1: or I'll be successful enough to be able to pay
Speaker 1: for them myself, and like, you know, so you eventually
Speaker 1: get there. But what I've loved is that people have
Speaker 1: related to this, and I swear it's because in the song.
Speaker 1: To bring it back around to the songwriting that I've
Speaker 1: been doing has been more just of my story and
Speaker 1: me just being real and while writing in a real way,
Speaker 1: I've also been putting that in social media, being like
Speaker 1: this is really who I am. So that way my
Speaker 1: writing is consistent with what I present just as a
Speaker 1: human being.
Speaker 2: It makes total sense to me. And just real quick
Speaker 2: back to your high school. Were you friends with all
Speaker 2: the different groups of people, like, you know, the kids
Speaker 2: in acting and then the kids playing sports and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got along with everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you had to, right, I had to, yeah.
Speaker 1: For sure, and I and I wanted to. I wanted
Speaker 1: to be everybody's friend because I really love people. But
Speaker 1: you know, I would I remember specifically because I was
Speaker 1: now I'm athletic. I was not athletic growing up, and
Speaker 1: you know, I remember in eighth grade being forced to
Speaker 1: play volleyball, and every single girl except for one and
Speaker 1: she's still a friend of mine to this day. Every
Speaker 1: girl like I want to be No, you can't be
Speaker 1: on my team. You don't like you don't play like
Speaker 1: you're not good. And they weren't literally in eighth grade,
Speaker 1: just like passing the ball back and forth. We're not
Speaker 1: about to go compete in a tournament. And they just
Speaker 1: they were like, no, you suck at this. No you
Speaker 1: can't play with me. And there was one girl that
Speaker 1: was nice, and I was like, well, thank god, but
Speaker 1: you were knives, you know, or I've been just awkward.
Speaker 1: I did. So I was always like trying to be
Speaker 1: friendly with all of the groups of people, but my
Speaker 1: close friends, I mean I had maybe one or two maybe,
Speaker 1: Like I think I still know what one or two
Speaker 1: people are my school, Like.
Speaker 2: They're the ones that keep you grounded no matter how
Speaker 2: how you go in life. Is if you're fortunate enough
Speaker 2: to be able to still keep those friendships from early
Speaker 2: on that were really tight, you know, they show sure curious.
Speaker 1: I really just became real friends with them in college.
Speaker 1: We happened to go to those in high school, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't until out of high school and going into
Speaker 1: college that we were like, oh, hey.
Speaker 2: Hey, I know you.
Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, this is great you were nice to about Yeah
Speaker 1: for real.
Speaker 2: All right, So I'm I curious if there are any
Speaker 2: rituals or routines that you do before you go on
Speaker 2: stage to perform. I asked this question from some people.
Speaker 2: I've got some interesting responses, Like Peter Gabriel told me
Speaker 2: before he goes on stage, he has to go to
Speaker 2: the bathroom.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said something else a little more crass, but
Speaker 2: I'm going to leave it at that.
Speaker 1: I know, right, that's fair. Yeah, yeah, no, it would
Speaker 1: That is true, especially with six because I'm the one
Speaker 1: that gets dressed first, and we have half hours, so
Speaker 1: we don't leave the stage for the hour and a
Speaker 1: half and so a half hour before that, we're all scheduled,
Speaker 1: except the show starts at seven. At six point thirty,
Speaker 1: every queen has a specific time you get into dress
Speaker 1: because we can't dress ourselves, like it's too complicated, So
Speaker 1: we have dressers that put us in costume. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then a wig prep and so it's all holding. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you actually have to time out when you go to
Speaker 1: the restroom because you're drinking water. Because it's trying to
Speaker 1: take like you're trying to say, hydrate it, but you
Speaker 1: can't go to the bathroom in the middle of the show.
Speaker 2: No strategic snaps anywhere in the yard, No.
Speaker 1: None, none, You're just like, well, you are strapped in
Speaker 1: into three pairs of tights an a leotard, and the
Speaker 1: posters spilt push you on stage. Good luck, come on,
Speaker 1: like all right, but I mean outside of it, so
Speaker 1: he is right outside of that. Vocally warm up probably
Speaker 1: like thirty forty minutes. While I'm doing my makeup, I
Speaker 1: have to do a physical dynamic warm up because I
Speaker 1: mean we're doing tuck jumps in heels, so it's it's
Speaker 1: a lot, so I have to make sure my body
Speaker 1: is physically warm as well as my voice. So those
Speaker 1: are the two like biggest I guess rituals you would say.
Speaker 1: But as a group, once we get on stage, all
Speaker 1: six of us, like, we'll all stand in a circle
Speaker 1: and hold hands and we'll all try to synchronize our
Speaker 1: breathing and we'll say one. Someone else has to say two, three,
Speaker 1: four or five, six until we get to six. But
Speaker 1: if we say it at the same time, we have
Speaker 1: to start over.
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool, except for when the curtain goes up
Speaker 2: and you're still back there. Well, thank you for that
Speaker 2: insight into it. It's always interesting to hear all of
Speaker 2: that stuff because you know, we live vicariously through you,
Speaker 2: especially both of us who would love to do that
Speaker 2: type of work. In terms of advocacy, let's talk about
Speaker 2: the impact of what you do. You've used your platform
Speaker 2: about mental health. I think I may have touched a
Speaker 2: bit on this up front with your brother, But why
Speaker 2: is this cause specifically so important to you?
Speaker 1: I think it's important to me because it is so taboo,
Speaker 1: because there's such a lack of Now there's a conversation
Speaker 1: around it, but for a very long time there has
Speaker 1: not been a conversation around it because it makes people uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: And I get it. It's not a fun topic to discuss.
Speaker 1: You know. When I went to do an event for
Speaker 1: DDE hirsh and nine eight eight and performed and went
Speaker 1: there and you see all these people and every person
Speaker 1: there is either a survivor of suicide or has lost
Speaker 1: somebody to suicide, and it's incredibly sad. It's it's very sad,
Speaker 1: and you're you're there to create awareness and to bring
Speaker 1: like make a change. But it's also it's a heavy topic,
Speaker 1: you know, because there's so much more that goes into it.
Speaker 1: And then I feel like until the last until recently,
Speaker 1: until over the last few years, there's been a lack
Speaker 1: of education around it. So I think the more you
Speaker 1: educate people, it just starts more of a conversation and
Speaker 1: then if somebody is struggling with depression, they feel more
Speaker 1: comfortable to say something's weird, like I think I need
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody. And the people that reach out
Speaker 1: to me and my family is not less. Still, people
Speaker 1: reach out all the time. My dad goes and speaks
Speaker 1: to different youth groups. I'll get asked to do podcasts
Speaker 1: about it. It's just a it's a conversation that didn't
Speaker 1: happen as much as I can get needed to. And
Speaker 1: the more people talk about it, the less people so
Speaker 1: awkward about it. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And he said it's a very tough thing
Speaker 2: and it's not fun. But I think when those people
Speaker 2: listening to you, hearing what you have to say, it
Speaker 2: might actually turn into something that's a more positive thing
Speaker 2: for them. The minute they know, oh that happens to you,
Speaker 2: were you this it's amazing. What message do you hope
Speaker 2: that listeners take away from your music and your story.
Speaker 1: I hope listeners take away the fact that they belong,
Speaker 1: that there is hope that they can make it.
Speaker 2: Have you heard from fans who have been impacted by
Speaker 2: your music and can you share a couple of those
Speaker 2: stories with us?
Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, it's It's always the coolest thing to have
Speaker 1: people tell me that they've been moved by something I've written,
Speaker 1: something I've sung, you know, And it's one thing I
Speaker 1: will say online people are really really kind to me.
Speaker 1: I'm very blessed to have people be mostly kind on
Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok. So that's so it's always very cool
Speaker 1: to see people's comments about the songs. Like my brother's
Speaker 1: anniversary was in May and so that I re shared
Speaker 1: the music video that I had done for him, and
Speaker 1: people just concept like I lost my mom, I lost
Speaker 1: my brother, I lost my dad, I survived, like I mean,
Speaker 1: just tons. But what's really cool is when I meet
Speaker 1: somebody in person and they tell me in person and
Speaker 1: it happens a lot. Crazy enough, it happens a lot
Speaker 1: in New York, and I get this is this still
Speaker 1: freaks me out in the coolest way, not in a
Speaker 1: bad way, but it freaks me out. Let's wait, because
Speaker 1: I don't expect people to know who I am. I
Speaker 1: just I just don't. And what's nuts is in New
Speaker 1: York City, of all places, I get recognized more from
Speaker 1: TikTok and Instagram than I do and like that I
Speaker 1: ever have people will come up and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I follow you and your last and oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, bychay, you know, and so it's always
Speaker 1: like so cool. But at the stage door, specifically, I
Speaker 1: do my best after every show to go out to
Speaker 1: the stage door to sign playbills. The only reason I
Speaker 1: won't go out is if I'm actually sick or my
Speaker 1: voice is kind of off. But I try to go
Speaker 1: out after every show. And I had a girl tell
Speaker 1: me one time because the interactions are typically brief, but
Speaker 1: I took a second and she said, I just need
Speaker 1: to say thank you for what you wrote about your brother,
Speaker 1: because I tried to take my life and thankfully I
Speaker 1: didn't succeed, but it helps to know I'm not the
Speaker 1: only one. And it just like stopped me in my
Speaker 1: tracks because I would I never thought that something I
Speaker 1: would write or say like that would make such an
Speaker 1: impact on somebody else. But that is the goal, you know,
Speaker 1: That's that's the goal of what I want to be
Speaker 1: able to tell people. And then I have another one
Speaker 1: that's about you know, female empowerment and like finding yourself
Speaker 1: worth again and loving yourself. It's called look What You Missed.
Speaker 1: And I had a girl tell me the other day,
Speaker 1: she's like, that is my favorite song I get to
Speaker 1: be awesome And she's like, oh my gosh, she need
Speaker 1: like twelve and I'm like, what, this is so cool?
Speaker 1: I mean so so, I've had multiple moments where people
Speaker 1: are talking to me at the stage door about my music,
Speaker 1: and that is the coolest thing this is.
Speaker 2: I feel like they're talking to someone else else. Do
Speaker 2: you feel sort of like what you know?
Speaker 1: Actually eat right? Twilight tone? Still yeah, I'm so serious.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, really yeah cool? Oh my gosh, how amazing.
Speaker 1: So I knows. What I'm hoping that this next song
Speaker 1: does is that it reaches just an absurd amount of people,
Speaker 1: so that way that message can actually scope. That's the goal.
Speaker 1: I love. That's so much.
Speaker 2: Are there any dream collaborations or projects that you hope
Speaker 2: to pursue.
Speaker 1: In the future. Oh absolutely, besides the stage like Lady
Speaker 1: Gaga's I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, I would love to
Speaker 1: do a collaboration with someone like Jelly Roll. I think
Speaker 1: that would be so cool. I think he's awesome. To
Speaker 1: work with someone like Pink or Rihanna would also be
Speaker 1: very very cool. I know I'm dreaming big here, no
Speaker 1: put it out there, come on, I know we're dreaming
Speaker 1: really big here. So you know, I also am like,
Speaker 1: there's there's just so many I mean, I'm a huge
Speaker 1: fan of Billie Eilish, Ariana Grande like so as far
Speaker 1: as collaborations, and even Lady Gaga would be just a
Speaker 1: dream and such a fan of hers. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of artists I would love to collaborate with. But
Speaker 1: another dream would be to originator role on Broadway. Oh so,
Speaker 1: now that I'm in it, I've actually fallen in love
Speaker 1: with it. You got the bug I do and so
Speaker 1: much fun. I'm like, this is but great. So I
Speaker 1: think it would be really cool too if the greatest
Speaker 1: showman ever went in to Broadway and actually like came
Speaker 1: to the States to be able to be in something
Speaker 1: like that would be so fun, so cool. So I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, really big dreams and you know, I want
Speaker 1: to tour. I want to do it world tour and
Speaker 1: be able to you know, sell out arenas and stadiums,
Speaker 1: and you know that is that is the goal. And
Speaker 1: not just for me. I mean like it would be
Speaker 1: super cool to perform for that many people, but also
Speaker 1: because I'm like, if I'm at that level, that means
Speaker 1: that many people are hearing how much they matter. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Not to change the subject, I did have another
Speaker 2: question for you about advice. Well, let me ask that
Speaker 2: if you were going to give some advice to someone
Speaker 2: who's struggling right now, and not just struggling, say with
Speaker 2: the problems that sort of inspire tired you in your life,
Speaker 2: with your brother, just any problem, what kind of advice
Speaker 2: would you give?
Speaker 1: I would say anytime I personally am struggling, whether that
Speaker 1: be feeling lonely, overwhelmed, sad, distant, like finding yourself someone
Speaker 1: to be grounded with, I think is so important. I
Speaker 1: think community is so important. And people that are in
Speaker 1: your same industry is it's really helpful that people in
Speaker 1: your same industry because they get it, they understand, they understand,
Speaker 1: So even if it's just it's just one person. You
Speaker 1: don't have to have an army, You just need just
Speaker 1: one that you can really hunker down with and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I am not okay and then be able to just
Speaker 1: sit there with you, you know, and not just try
Speaker 1: to fix it. But I think for me, that's that's
Speaker 1: been the most healing is having someone like my husband
Speaker 1: who I can just be not okay with and that
Speaker 1: is okay. And I'm blessed enough to have quite a
Speaker 1: few friends that are really that awesome as well. So
Speaker 1: I would say anyone that's struggling to find a community,
Speaker 1: you know what, mom, dad, sister, brother, I mean, just anyone,
Speaker 1: at least just one person is all you need.
Speaker 2: Oh that's amazing advice. Because the more successful you become,
Speaker 2: the less you find people. It's hard to find people
Speaker 2: who are happy for your success.
Speaker 1: I know that sounds crazy but now, but it's it's real.
Speaker 2: So yeah, at any mentors or or somebody that you
Speaker 2: can just talk to me. But seriously, if it is
Speaker 2: part of your profession, that definitely helps or in whatever
Speaker 2: you're doing in life. But yeah, great advice. Okay, So
Speaker 2: what song or artists have you had?
Speaker 1: Do you have right?
Speaker 2: Now I have I Get a Try by Michael McDonald.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're familiar with the song.
Speaker 1: Sort of yacht rocky.
Speaker 2: I love it, but it's like my favorite, even though
Speaker 2: people say it's not a genre and it was made
Speaker 2: up or whatever.
Speaker 1: Never cares. What song do you have on repeat? It's
Speaker 1: going to be a terrible answer. What nothing's terrible? Well no, no,
Speaker 1: it's going to be a terrible answer because it's not
Speaker 1: an answer. Okay. So as as a singer, it was
Speaker 1: constantly surrounded by music. I rarely listen to music.
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised by that at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I listened to a lot of podcasts, I listened
Speaker 1: to audiobooks. Sometimes I just sit in silence. But I
Speaker 1: don't have a song that I'm constantly, like constantly listening
Speaker 1: to like that, I'm like, oh, yeah, let's go. I
Speaker 1: mean I have a gym playlist.
Speaker 2: Well, if you hear something, for example, like for I
Speaker 2: just heard that and I hadn't heard it in a
Speaker 2: long time, so I just have it on.
Speaker 1: I just listened to it over and over again.
Speaker 2: Agnauseium you know, for the day or the hour or
Speaker 2: blasted in the car doesn't have to be you know,
Speaker 2: strict answer, like if you looked on your phone right now,
Speaker 2: what was the last.
Speaker 1: Song you played? Let's see, Oh, here we go, We're
Speaker 1: going right to do to day. I love it. I
Speaker 1: would say, let's see what is it it is? If
Speaker 1: you want perfection from Death Becomes Her? Wow, there is
Speaker 1: was the last thing Michelle Williams I've played on. I
Speaker 1: had just gone to see Death Becomes Her and I
Speaker 1: looked up the the soundtrack because, oh my gosh, was
Speaker 1: it incredible? Absolutely phenomenal. But one of my favorites. I
Speaker 1: think I could always listen to Forever and Always is
Speaker 1: River by Bishop Briggs.
Speaker 2: Oh awesome. Awesome artists too.
Speaker 1: Like that. Just oh I'm like so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my husband and I absolutely love her. We crank
Speaker 2: that up in the car. You gotta have a good
Speaker 2: stereo because otherwise don't even bother listening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know, yeah, but I would say that
Speaker 1: that's when I could listen to for Forever and Always
Speaker 1: and never get tired.
Speaker 2: Of awesome and you know, don't feel like it's weird
Speaker 2: because I interviewed. I don't know if you know country
Speaker 2: artists by the name of Craig Morgan, Yes, and yeah,
Speaker 2: so he said the same thing. You know, I do
Speaker 2: this for my job, but I don't use it for
Speaker 2: myself personally, and I don't really have time to listen.
Speaker 1: And it sounds odd, but it doesn't sound so odd
Speaker 1: because people like, oh, well, you're a artist, you must
Speaker 1: listen to music all the time, and I'm like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but not for fun. Yeah, it's a shame because there's
Speaker 1: so much amazing music out there. And as somebody comes
Speaker 1: out with an album and and I'm everybody talks about it.
Speaker 1: Of course I'm going to go listen to it. But yeah, totally,
Speaker 1: it's just different. It's so different.
Speaker 2: I don't want to let you go. I have one
Speaker 2: more question. If you could perform anywhere in the world,
Speaker 2: where would it be and why?
Speaker 1: Hmm? I would say rock and Rio and Brazil.
Speaker 2: Oh, great answer.
Speaker 1: That is where I would want to perform because those
Speaker 1: fans are incredible. They are absolutely incredible. I just have
Speaker 1: such a love for the people in Brazil. I did
Speaker 1: you see that.
Speaker 2: Video on the beach where like millions of people went
Speaker 2: to go see Gaga perform.
Speaker 1: Yes, Holy cow, that's now. That is insane. I was like, like,
Speaker 1: is that real? It looked almost like AI, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1: But I was like, oh, that's crazy. But I did
Speaker 1: get to. I toured with Josh Stone for a little
Speaker 1: bit and we played the Town Festival in uh Stapallo
Speaker 1: and it was it's just so cool to see how
Speaker 1: much those fans love music. I feel like going internationally.
Speaker 1: I would also love to go to Asia. I would
Speaker 1: love to go perform in Asia. They just love music
Speaker 1: and they love artists, and so I think it'd be
Speaker 1: a lot of fun to perform for them.
Speaker 2: Well, I know they would love They love you, and
Speaker 2: something I don't know tells me that you will be
Speaker 2: very soon.
Speaker 1: It's it's going to happen. I play out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And isn't that funny?
Speaker 2: One percent of people write down their goals, But interestingly enough,
Speaker 2: when you write them down, they have a funny way
Speaker 2: of happening. Keep writing those songs. Kelsey Watts, thank you
Speaker 2: so much for sharing your time with us on music.
Speaker 2: Save me today and best of luck with everything in
Speaker 2: the future, and please come back and see us again.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, of course, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: I have blasts. I don't want to let you go.
Speaker 1: It's been a wonderful conversation my soul sister. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much,