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Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter how boring. I would get tired

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of the Music Saved Me Podcast,

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Speaker 2: where we explore the profound ways that music connects art

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Lynn Hoffman, and welcome to the show. Today,

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Speaker 2: we are so thrilled to welcome singer, songwriter and Broadway

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Speaker 2: You may know Kelsey from her viral performances on a

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Speaker 2: little show called NBC's The Voice, where her powerhouse vocals

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Speaker 2: Kelsey's advocacy for mental health is deeply personal. After losing

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Speaker 2: Her story is a testament to how music can be

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Speaker 2: Kelsey's journey inspires you and reminds you that you are

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Speaker 2: the show. It is wonderful to have you here.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Oh my gosh, thank you. What an intro. My word.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was so kind, very deservant of it, But

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Speaker 2: certainly I'd love to start with the beginning in your

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Speaker 1: Of course, I really feel so cliche every single time

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Speaker 2: Crazy enough, that's pretty cool that you have that memory

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Speaker 1: found my community in theater and choir and it was

432
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: a very very very small community. But I had a

433
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: couple of friends and I was always got along with everybody.

434
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: But I wasn't. I wasn't in the it proud, you know.

435
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: And so we were like, well, why don't we write

436
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: about that? And so the entire premise of the song

437
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: was like, all right, well, what if people told you, well,

438
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 1: I've been told them a lot, like, oh my gosh,

439
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: you're just a lot, am Well, you're not my people

440
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: ben a lot?

441
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: You mean just because you're you talk a lot or

442
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 2: have a lot to say or thoughts.

443
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: Thankfully, I haven't had people tell me that lately, like

444
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: but in like in high school really was like middle

445
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: school and high school were not fun for me. I

446
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 1: did not enjoy them at all. And you know, people

447
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you're just a lot, And whether that

448
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: meant personality was a lot, they never elaborated. They were

449
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: just kind of mean, you know, So.

450
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: What did you think it was?

451
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: I thought it meant I was too loud, or I

452
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: sang too much, or I talked too much to people,

453
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: or like I needed to be more reserved, like my

454
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: personally that's what you thought? Yeah, Like my person's interested

455
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: was just like too much to handle and people didn't

456
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: like that. You did it affect you in a negative way?

457
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh my gosh. Absolutely. I felt like I

458
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: constantly had to change who I was in order to

459
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: be around people and to be accepted to fit in literally,

460
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: which is why I call it in I was like,

461
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: this is it? Yeah, so I mean it was. The

462
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: whole story of the song is basically a The first

463
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: line is I know that you think that you're a lot.

464
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: You love until it costs you all you've got, You

465
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: water it till you dry with everything you do, and

466
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: then say you're going to change for real this time.

467
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 1: But then you fall off and all in line, and

468
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: when you look up you find the dirty truth that

469
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: you're standing in your own way like it. And it's

470
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: because it's like, well, oh no, I'm totally gonna be

471
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be fine, but I'm just gonna be me.

472
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 1: And then you find yourself going back into this cycle

473
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: of like, oh, well, what do people want me to be?

474
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 1: And honestly, that was something that I really felt after

475
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: leaving The Voice was I'd never released music before. I

476
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: had always wanted to be an artist and felt like

477
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: I was, but I didn't know how to get into

478
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: oh gosh, finding producers and writing and doing all of

479
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: the things, and and so I felt like I was

480
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: being pulled in multiple directions. Well you should just sing

481
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: ballads because you sing ballads really well, or well you

482
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: should do this, or well you should do this, Well,

483
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: you should just do pop because rock isn't really in

484
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: right now, so just be pop. And I was like,

485
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: just pop. So even into you know, being out of

486
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: the Voice, I felt like I had to fit into

487
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 1: some mold and honestly that lasted for a couple of years. Well,

488
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: I guess what am I supposed to be? Like? I mean,

489
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: I'm not supering a carpenter. I'm not around around it.

490
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: I loved them. I think they're both amazing, but that's

491
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: but that's not me, you know. So I was like,

492
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: so how do I how do I make myself fit?

493
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: And it just didn't work. It just simply didn't work.

494
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until I really started pouring into social

495
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: media in twenty twenty three that something finally clicked. Because

496
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,719
Speaker 1: I was so frustrated with social media I didn't want

497
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: to do it anymore. I was like, this is ridiculous.

498
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: Why is everything I do based on numbers? I can't

499
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: you know I don't have followers because I really didn't.

500
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: I mean I had like like twenty k from the

501
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: Voice on Instagram and what like seventy five k on

502
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: TikTok just from like some videos that my husband had

503
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: posted that went viral because it was a Disney video,

504
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: but for me and I didn't have any like fans

505
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, and so I just

506
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I just I'm not gonna do this anymore.

507
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 1: And when I stopped trying and put forth the least

508
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: amount of effort and just stuck my phone in the

509
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: kitchen and put Brandon's phone here with a karaope track

510
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: and was making coffee, which is actually my life, Like

511
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: that's really what I do, you know, wasn't dulled up,

512
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: didn't have make it bond like walk around in sweats,

513
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: and everybody loved it. Even then, it took me a

514
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: while to understand, like, no, people just want to know you.

515
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: They just want to hear. They just want to hear using.

516
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: They don't want to see all the extra stuff, like

517
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: they want to get to know you. And so sure,

518
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 1: as an artist, you know, you'll continue to develop and elevate,

519
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: like the more successful that you get, and you can

520
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: create all of the things you want to create as

521
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: an artist, you know, and then you have the budget

522
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: to create it. One day, yeah, you know, from like

523
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: amazing one like one day my spectacles will be like

524
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: Lady Gagaz because I'll have a label paying for them hopefully,

525
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: or I'll be successful enough to be able to pay

526
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: for them myself, and like, you know, so you eventually

527
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: get there. But what I've loved is that people have

528
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: related to this, and I swear it's because in the song.

529
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: To bring it back around to the songwriting that I've

530
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: been doing has been more just of my story and

531
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: me just being real and while writing in a real way,

532
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,239
Speaker 1: I've also been putting that in social media, being like

533
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: this is really who I am. So that way my

534
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: writing is consistent with what I present just as a

535
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: human being.

536
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: It makes total sense to me. And just real quick

537
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 2: back to your high school. Were you friends with all

538
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 2: the different groups of people, like, you know, the kids

539
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: in acting and then the kids playing sports and.

540
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got along with everybody.

541
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you had to, right, I had to, yeah.

542
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: For sure, and I and I wanted to. I wanted

543
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: to be everybody's friend because I really love people. But

544
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, I would I remember specifically because I was

545
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: now I'm athletic. I was not athletic growing up, and

546
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, I remember in eighth grade being forced to

547
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: play volleyball, and every single girl except for one and

548
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: she's still a friend of mine to this day. Every

549
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: girl like I want to be No, you can't be

550
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: on my team. You don't like you don't play like

551
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: you're not good. And they weren't literally in eighth grade,

552
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: just like passing the ball back and forth. We're not

553
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 1: about to go compete in a tournament. And they just

554
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: they were like, no, you suck at this. No you

555
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: can't play with me. And there was one girl that

556
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: was nice, and I was like, well, thank god, but

557
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: you were knives, you know, or I've been just awkward.

558
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: I did. So I was always like trying to be

559
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: friendly with all of the groups of people, but my

560
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: close friends, I mean I had maybe one or two maybe,

561
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,239
Speaker 1: Like I think I still know what one or two

562
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: people are my school, Like.

563
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: They're the ones that keep you grounded no matter how

564
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: how you go in life. Is if you're fortunate enough

565
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: to be able to still keep those friendships from early

566
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: on that were really tight, you know, they show sure curious.

567
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: I really just became real friends with them in college.

568
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: We happened to go to those in high school, but

569
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: it wasn't until out of high school and going into

570
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: college that we were like, oh, hey.

571
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: Hey, I know you.

572
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, this is great you were nice to about Yeah

573
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: for real.

574
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: All right, So I'm I curious if there are any

575
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: rituals or routines that you do before you go on

576
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: stage to perform. I asked this question from some people.

577
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: I've got some interesting responses, Like Peter Gabriel told me

578
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: before he goes on stage, he has to go to

579
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: the bathroom.

580
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: That's it.

581
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said something else a little more crass, but

582
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to leave it at that.

583
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: I know, right, that's fair. Yeah, yeah, no, it would

584
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: That is true, especially with six because I'm the one

585
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: that gets dressed first, and we have half hours, so

586
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: we don't leave the stage for the hour and a

587
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 1: half and so a half hour before that, we're all scheduled,

588
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: except the show starts at seven. At six point thirty,

589
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: every queen has a specific time you get into dress

590
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: because we can't dress ourselves, like it's too complicated, So

591
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: we have dressers that put us in costume. Yeah, and

592
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: then a wig prep and so it's all holding. But yeah,

593
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: you actually have to time out when you go to

594
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: the restroom because you're drinking water. Because it's trying to

595
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: take like you're trying to say, hydrate it, but you

596
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: can't go to the bathroom in the middle of the show.

597
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: No strategic snaps anywhere in the yard, No.

598
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 1: None, none, You're just like, well, you are strapped in

599
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: into three pairs of tights an a leotard, and the

600
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: posters spilt push you on stage. Good luck, come on,

601
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: like all right, but I mean outside of it, so

602
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: he is right outside of that. Vocally warm up probably

603
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: like thirty forty minutes. While I'm doing my makeup, I

604
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: have to do a physical dynamic warm up because I

605
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: mean we're doing tuck jumps in heels, so it's it's

606
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: a lot, so I have to make sure my body

607
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: is physically warm as well as my voice. So those

608
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: are the two like biggest I guess rituals you would say.

609
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: But as a group, once we get on stage, all

610
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: six of us, like, we'll all stand in a circle

611
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: and hold hands and we'll all try to synchronize our

612
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: breathing and we'll say one. Someone else has to say two, three,

613
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: four or five, six until we get to six. But

614
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: if we say it at the same time, we have

615
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: to start over.

616
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool, except for when the curtain goes up

617
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: and you're still back there. Well, thank you for that

618
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: insight into it. It's always interesting to hear all of

619
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: that stuff because you know, we live vicariously through you,

620
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: especially both of us who would love to do that

621
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: type of work. In terms of advocacy, let's talk about

622
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: the impact of what you do. You've used your platform

623
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: about mental health. I think I may have touched a

624
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: bit on this up front with your brother, But why

625
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: is this cause specifically so important to you?

626
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: I think it's important to me because it is so taboo,

627
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: because there's such a lack of Now there's a conversation

628
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: around it, but for a very long time there has

629
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: not been a conversation around it because it makes people uncomfortable.

630
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: And I get it. It's not a fun topic to discuss.

631
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: You know. When I went to do an event for

632
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: DDE hirsh and nine eight eight and performed and went

633
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: there and you see all these people and every person

634
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: there is either a survivor of suicide or has lost

635
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: somebody to suicide, and it's incredibly sad. It's it's very sad,

636
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: and you're you're there to create awareness and to bring

637
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: like make a change. But it's also it's a heavy topic,

638
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, because there's so much more that goes into it.

639
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: And then I feel like until the last until recently,

640
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: until over the last few years, there's been a lack

641
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: of education around it. So I think the more you

642
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: educate people, it just starts more of a conversation and

643
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: then if somebody is struggling with depression, they feel more

644
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: comfortable to say something's weird, like I think I need

645
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody. And the people that reach out

646
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: to me and my family is not less. Still, people

647
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: reach out all the time. My dad goes and speaks

648
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: to different youth groups. I'll get asked to do podcasts

649
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: about it. It's just a it's a conversation that didn't

650
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: happen as much as I can get needed to. And

651
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: the more people talk about it, the less people so

652
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: awkward about it. You know.

653
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And he said it's a very tough thing

654
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: and it's not fun. But I think when those people

655
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: listening to you, hearing what you have to say, it

656
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: might actually turn into something that's a more positive thing

657
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: for them. The minute they know, oh that happens to you,

658
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 2: were you this it's amazing. What message do you hope

659
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: that listeners take away from your music and your story.

660
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: I hope listeners take away the fact that they belong,

661
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: that there is hope that they can make it.

662
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: Have you heard from fans who have been impacted by

663
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: your music and can you share a couple of those

664
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: stories with us?

665
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, it's It's always the coolest thing to have

666
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: people tell me that they've been moved by something I've written,

667
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: something I've sung, you know, And it's one thing I

668
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: will say online people are really really kind to me.

669
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: I'm very blessed to have people be mostly kind on

670
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok. So that's so it's always very cool

671
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: to see people's comments about the songs. Like my brother's

672
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: anniversary was in May and so that I re shared

673
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: the music video that I had done for him, and

674
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: people just concept like I lost my mom, I lost

675
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: my brother, I lost my dad, I survived, like I mean,

676
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: just tons. But what's really cool is when I meet

677
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: somebody in person and they tell me in person and

678
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: it happens a lot. Crazy enough, it happens a lot

679
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: in New York, and I get this is this still

680
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: freaks me out in the coolest way, not in a

681
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: bad way, but it freaks me out. Let's wait, because

682
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: I don't expect people to know who I am. I

683
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: just I just don't. And what's nuts is in New

684
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: York City, of all places, I get recognized more from

685
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: TikTok and Instagram than I do and like that I

686
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: ever have people will come up and they're like, oh,

687
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: I follow you and your last and oh my gosh,

688
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, bychay, you know, and so it's always

689
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: like so cool. But at the stage door, specifically, I

690
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: do my best after every show to go out to

691
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: the stage door to sign playbills. The only reason I

692
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: won't go out is if I'm actually sick or my

693
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: voice is kind of off. But I try to go

694
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: out after every show. And I had a girl tell

695
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: me one time because the interactions are typically brief, but

696
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: I took a second and she said, I just need

697
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: to say thank you for what you wrote about your brother,

698
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: because I tried to take my life and thankfully I

699
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: didn't succeed, but it helps to know I'm not the

700
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: only one. And it just like stopped me in my

701
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: tracks because I would I never thought that something I

702
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: would write or say like that would make such an

703
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: impact on somebody else. But that is the goal, you know,

704
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: That's that's the goal of what I want to be

705
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: able to tell people. And then I have another one

706
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: that's about you know, female empowerment and like finding yourself

707
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: worth again and loving yourself. It's called look What You Missed.

708
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: And I had a girl tell me the other day,

709
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: she's like, that is my favorite song I get to

710
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: be awesome And she's like, oh my gosh, she need

711
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: like twelve and I'm like, what, this is so cool?

712
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: I mean so so, I've had multiple moments where people

713
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: are talking to me at the stage door about my music,

714
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: and that is the coolest thing this is.

715
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: I feel like they're talking to someone else else. Do

716
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: you feel sort of like what you know?

717
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 1: Actually eat right? Twilight tone? Still yeah, I'm so serious.

718
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, really yeah cool? Oh my gosh, how amazing.

719
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: So I knows. What I'm hoping that this next song

720
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: does is that it reaches just an absurd amount of people,

721
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: so that way that message can actually scope. That's the goal.

722
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,479
Speaker 1: I love. That's so much.

723
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 2: Are there any dream collaborations or projects that you hope

724
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 2: to pursue.

725
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: In the future. Oh absolutely, besides the stage like Lady

726
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: Gaga's I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, I would love to

727
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: do a collaboration with someone like Jelly Roll. I think

728
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: that would be so cool. I think he's awesome. To

729
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: work with someone like Pink or Rihanna would also be

730
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: very very cool. I know I'm dreaming big here, no

731
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: put it out there, come on, I know we're dreaming

732
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: really big here. So you know, I also am like,

733
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 1: there's there's just so many I mean, I'm a huge

734
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: fan of Billie Eilish, Ariana Grande like so as far

735
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: as collaborations, and even Lady Gaga would be just a

736
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: dream and such a fan of hers. So there's a

737
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: lot of artists I would love to collaborate with. But

738
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: another dream would be to originator role on Broadway. Oh so,

739
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: now that I'm in it, I've actually fallen in love

740
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: with it. You got the bug I do and so

741
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: much fun. I'm like, this is but great. So I

742
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: think it would be really cool too if the greatest

743
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 1: showman ever went in to Broadway and actually like came

744
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: to the States to be able to be in something

745
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: like that would be so fun, so cool. So I mean,

746
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: you know, really big dreams and you know, I want

747
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: to tour. I want to do it world tour and

748
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: be able to you know, sell out arenas and stadiums,

749
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: and you know that is that is the goal. And

750
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: not just for me. I mean like it would be

751
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: super cool to perform for that many people, but also

752
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: because I'm like, if I'm at that level, that means

753
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: that many people are hearing how much they matter. Yeah.

754
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Not to change the subject, I did have another

755
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: question for you about advice. Well, let me ask that

756
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: if you were going to give some advice to someone

757
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: who's struggling right now, and not just struggling, say with

758
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: the problems that sort of inspire tired you in your life,

759
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: with your brother, just any problem, what kind of advice

760
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 2: would you give?

761
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: I would say anytime I personally am struggling, whether that

762
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: be feeling lonely, overwhelmed, sad, distant, like finding yourself someone

763
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: to be grounded with, I think is so important. I

764
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: think community is so important. And people that are in

765
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: your same industry is it's really helpful that people in

766
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: your same industry because they get it, they understand, they understand,

767
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: So even if it's just it's just one person. You

768
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: don't have to have an army, You just need just

769
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: one that you can really hunker down with and be like, hey,

770
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: I am not okay and then be able to just

771
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: sit there with you, you know, and not just try

772
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: to fix it. But I think for me, that's that's

773
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: been the most healing is having someone like my husband

774
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: who I can just be not okay with and that

775
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: is okay. And I'm blessed enough to have quite a

776
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: few friends that are really that awesome as well. So

777
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: I would say anyone that's struggling to find a community,

778
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 1: you know what, mom, dad, sister, brother, I mean, just anyone,

779
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: at least just one person is all you need.

780
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: Oh that's amazing advice. Because the more successful you become,

781
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: the less you find people. It's hard to find people

782
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: who are happy for your success.

783
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: I know that sounds crazy but now, but it's it's real.

784
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, at any mentors or or somebody that you

785
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: can just talk to me. But seriously, if it is

786
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: part of your profession, that definitely helps or in whatever

787
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: you're doing in life. But yeah, great advice. Okay, So

788
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: what song or artists have you had?

789
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: Do you have right?

790
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: Now I have I Get a Try by Michael McDonald.

791
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're familiar with the song.

792
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: Sort of yacht rocky.

793
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: I love it, but it's like my favorite, even though

794
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: people say it's not a genre and it was made

795
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: up or whatever.

796
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: Never cares. What song do you have on repeat? It's

797
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: going to be a terrible answer. What nothing's terrible? Well no, no,

798
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: it's going to be a terrible answer because it's not

799
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: an answer. Okay. So as as a singer, it was

800
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: constantly surrounded by music. I rarely listen to music.

801
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised by that at all.

802
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. I listened to a lot of podcasts, I listened

803
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: to audiobooks. Sometimes I just sit in silence. But I

804
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: don't have a song that I'm constantly, like constantly listening

805
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: to like that, I'm like, oh, yeah, let's go. I

806
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: mean I have a gym playlist.

807
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 2: Well, if you hear something, for example, like for I

808
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: just heard that and I hadn't heard it in a

809
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: long time, so I just have it on.

810
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: I just listened to it over and over again.

811
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: Agnauseium you know, for the day or the hour or

812
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: blasted in the car doesn't have to be you know,

813
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: strict answer, like if you looked on your phone right now,

814
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: what was the last.

815
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: Song you played? Let's see, Oh, here we go, We're

816
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: going right to do to day. I love it. I

817
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: would say, let's see what is it it is? If

818
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: you want perfection from Death Becomes Her? Wow, there is

819
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: was the last thing Michelle Williams I've played on. I

820
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: had just gone to see Death Becomes Her and I

821
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: looked up the the soundtrack because, oh my gosh, was

822
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: it incredible? Absolutely phenomenal. But one of my favorites. I

823
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: think I could always listen to Forever and Always is

824
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: River by Bishop Briggs.

825
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: Oh awesome. Awesome artists too.

826
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: Like that. Just oh I'm like so good.

827
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, my husband and I absolutely love her. We crank

828
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: that up in the car. You gotta have a good

829
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: stereo because otherwise don't even bother listening.

830
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know, yeah, but I would say that

831
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: that's when I could listen to for Forever and Always

832
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: and never get tired.

833
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 2: Of awesome and you know, don't feel like it's weird

834
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 2: because I interviewed. I don't know if you know country

835
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: artists by the name of Craig Morgan, Yes, and yeah,

836
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: so he said the same thing. You know, I do

837
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: this for my job, but I don't use it for

838
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 2: myself personally, and I don't really have time to listen.

839
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: And it sounds odd, but it doesn't sound so odd

840
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: because people like, oh, well, you're a artist, you must

841
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: listen to music all the time, and I'm like, yeah, yeah,

842
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: but not for fun. Yeah, it's a shame because there's

843
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: so much amazing music out there. And as somebody comes

844
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: out with an album and and I'm everybody talks about it.

845
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: Of course I'm going to go listen to it. But yeah, totally,

846
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: it's just different. It's so different.

847
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to let you go. I have one

848
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: more question. If you could perform anywhere in the world,

849
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: where would it be and why?

850
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: Hmm? I would say rock and Rio and Brazil.

851
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: Oh, great answer.

852
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: That is where I would want to perform because those

853
00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: fans are incredible. They are absolutely incredible. I just have

854
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: such a love for the people in Brazil. I did

855
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: you see that.

856
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: Video on the beach where like millions of people went

857
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: to go see Gaga perform.

858
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: Yes, Holy cow, that's now. That is insane. I was like, like,

859
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: is that real? It looked almost like AI, but it wasn't.

860
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Speaker 1: But I was like, oh, that's crazy. But I did

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Speaker 1: get to. I toured with Josh Stone for a little

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Speaker 1: bit and we played the Town Festival in uh Stapallo

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Speaker 1: and it was it's just so cool to see how

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Speaker 1: much those fans love music. I feel like going internationally.

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Speaker 1: I would also love to go to Asia. I would

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Speaker 1: love to go perform in Asia. They just love music

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Speaker 1: and they love artists, and so I think it'd be

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun to perform for them.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know they would love They love you, and

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Speaker 2: something I don't know tells me that you will be

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Speaker 2: very soon.

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Speaker 1: It's it's going to happen. I play out there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And isn't that funny?

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Speaker 2: One percent of people write down their goals, But interestingly enough,

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Speaker 2: when you write them down, they have a funny way

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Speaker 2: of happening. Keep writing those songs. Kelsey Watts, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for sharing your time with us on music.

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Speaker 2: Save me today and best of luck with everything in

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Speaker 2: the future, and please come back and see us again.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, of course, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I have blasts. I don't want to let you go.

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Speaker 1: It's been a wonderful conversation my soul sister. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much,