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Speaker 1: He's author of a new book called Hollywood Ending. It's

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Speaker 1: The business of Lebron needed to be in La So

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Speaker 3: So the second part, there's why I think is interesting

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Speaker 2: That's basically it's I don't want to say a failure,

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Speaker 3: And again we're talking about that post business stuff, the

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Speaker 1: It's sponsorship time. But you know what, it's really great

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444
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Speaker 1: I say this as somebody who like, you know, I'm

445
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 1: I'm even though I'm in my mid fifties, I was

446
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,639
Speaker 1: probably the first generation of NBA fans that were fans

447
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,000
Speaker 1: of a player, not a team. Yeah, I grew up

448
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 1: in Miami in the seventies and eighties. We didn't get

449
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,680
Speaker 1: the heat until I was literally graduating high school. That's

450
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 1: when we got the heat.

451
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 2: You know.

452
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 1: Ronnie Cyclee he was the big first star that that

453
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,159
Speaker 1: we had. And so I was a magic guy, you know.

454
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 1: And I had a friend who was a bird guy, right,

455
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 1: and I had another friend who became it was the

456
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 1: Jordan guy, right, and we you know, that's how we

457
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 1: rooted for basketball in the seventies and eighties, and and

458
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,159
Speaker 1: it's in some ways it's still what basketball is today. Right,

459
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,120
Speaker 1: it's more player And then Team German and the Lakers

460
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 1: were one of the Lakers and the Celtics Roys the

461
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: two franchises that most of the time were bigger than

462
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 1: their players, right, or at least were the same size

463
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 1: as their players see Magic Johnson. The Lakers have been

464
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 1: good for Lebron, but it's Lebron been good for the Lakers.

465
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 2: So it's it's so interesting. So the short answer is yes.

466
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 3: So this is one of the So the short answers yes,

467
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 3: because you have to remember the dark period they were

468
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 3: in before they got in, right, So this is people remember.

469
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 3: So anyone who's watched the HBO show Winning Time, which

470
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 3: is based on another great Lakers book.

471
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 1: Show called Showtime, and HBO couldn't couldn't green light a

472
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 1: TV show called Showtime now.

473
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 2: Correct, which is hilarious exactly.

474
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 3: The book was Showtime by Jeff Prowlman, who's like the

475
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 3: best sports author going right now, Hey football.

476
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 2: For a buck.

477
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 1: I had him on this podcast talking Trump and yeah.

478
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 2: I'm sure, so he's like the best at this.

479
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 3: So that book gets on the magic Kareem Lakers, this

480
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 3: show gets made to bring it up.

481
00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 2: So that's Jerry Buss, right.

482
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 3: Jerry Buss is people know him, his iconic owner, just

483
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 3: larger than life figure. All that builds the Lakers into

484
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 3: the thing that.

485
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 2: We all know they are he dies, leaves leaves the.

486
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 3: Children, leaves the Lakers to a trust of six children,

487
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 3: and when I you know, the term it's like succession

488
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 3: but is a cliche, but it really is that, like

489
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 3: this is really sports succession, where like Jerry Buss is

490
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 3: I guess Brian Cox's character, except he goes to the

491
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 3: payboy mansion a little more and he had a little

492
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 3: less money.

493
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean, the dirty little secret about the Lakers and

494
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 1: the Bus family is how basically, and that's what Winning

495
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 1: Time did a good job of explaining. Bus was sort

496
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 1: of like the Donald Trump of his era. He always

497
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 1: used other people's money, correct to pretend he was wealthy,

498
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: like he didn't really have well correct.

499
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 3: And so he leaves the team and he's got his

500
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 3: children fighting over it and they're not it's not a

501
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 3: good situation. He basically leaves it where he leaves a

502
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 3: trust in a way where Jeannie the daughter is in

503
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 3: charge of the business side, jim the son is in

504
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 3: charge of basketball, Genie's actually in charge.

505
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:01,239
Speaker 2: Of it all.

506
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: It's sing you mean the former presidential candidate Jimmy Buss.

507
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 2: That's, by the.

508
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 3: Way, the succession that was when really it went to

509
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 3: succession because he is was a connor whatever.

510
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: Yes, literally, I mean, I mean, I I'll never forget

511
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: getting that press release like May of last year.

512
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 3: You know, you're like, wait, what, he's a filed exactly exactly.

513
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 3: Oh wait, though, I'm gonna I'm gonna confirm. Sorry, it

514
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 3: was Johnny Buss. Johnny Bus, Johnny Buss.

515
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: Sorry, Johnny, this is the third, right, Jimmy, there's Jeanie

516
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: and there's Johnny.

517
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 3: There's Jimmy, Jeannie, Johnny, Janney, Joey, Jesse. Now I remember

518
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 3: if you can get all those kidding, it's all jays. Yeah,

519
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 3: among the ones we know, all the same mom or no, no, no,

520
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 3: that's the okay, the original four or the four older

521
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 3: ones with one mom, two younger ones with a second mom.

522
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Speaker 2: One came out later with the third mom. I don't

523
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 2: know what else is that.

524
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: So there's the there's another TV show that's out there

525
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: that's also about the kind of about Genie Buss.

526
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 2: Yes, that is yeah, nobody is watching that show.

527
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that they did do the storyline of Hey, look,

528
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: one of the concessions guys said out of wedlock brother

529
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: of yours, Genie.

530
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Speaker 3: I have to tell you, nobody has watched that show

531
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 3: with a more critical eye than me because some of it,

532
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: so much of it is true that I'm.

533
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 2: Watching it and being like, oh my god, who came

534
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: up with this idea? Wait? Do I have to look

535
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: into this? Is this something real?

536
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 3: Because there's enough that is true there that I'm thinking like, Okay,

537
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: maybe she's an executive producer.

538
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 2: I thought Leani.

539
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, Jenny Buss is an EP

540
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: on it, right.

541
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's execut producer. So that's what I was, literally like,

542
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 3: I was taking notes on that show. I'm not even

543
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 3: I'm not even like nobody else watched a show like

544
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 3: it's passive.

545
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: It was decent. It's a passive entertainment show, right.

546
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: Right, the woman from Almost famousson, Yeah, thank you.

547
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 3: But I'm watching it like you know, people watch like

548
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 3: The Wire and like college courses. You know, I'm just

549
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 3: taking notes on it. You can find exactly So they said,

550
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 3: those kids and it's a disaster. I'll go the full

551
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: quick version. It's a Genie has to fire her brother.

552
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: Her brothers then try to take the team from her

553
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 3: in a boardroom coup that doesn't work.

554
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: She keeps the team and this is and.

555
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 3: Then they give Kolby this ridiculous contract, sort of a

556
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 3: golden parachute of a contract, end his career and sort

557
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 3: of bring back to your question, like what mattered more

558
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: they needed Lebron was this lifeline sort of this we

559
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 3: are in this dark period and Lebron comes and it's like, no,

560
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 3: the Lakers are back, eye Genie Buss and like my father,

561
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: I can get stars too.

562
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 2: We are back. So that's where he had an immense

563
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: impact on them and her specifically.

564
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting that you say that, because when you

565
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: really look at it, if you take away the bubble title, Yeah,

566
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: the Lakers they've been I guess was it two years

567
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: ago they were a three seed or a two seed

568
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: or was it last year that three seed they made?

569
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 3: Last year of the three seed they made the conference finals.

570
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 3: Kind of like you know back in they backed in

571
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago.

572
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: Right, but they've really not been a factor, right, They

573
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: just you can feel that they're not a factor. They

574
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: just don't have enough depth. And it goes to, frankly,

575
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: just a total mismanagement of their front office, right, mortgaging

576
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: so many of their draft picks where they were I mean,

577
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: they had some draft picks. They just sort of peed

578
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: them away, right, you know, yeah, you look, you know,

579
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: whether it's Lonzo ball or whatever.

580
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 2: Correct, the kind of as I've been doing.

581
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: This is the way I describe it is like you

582
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: can't say they want a title, so you can't say

583
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 3: it was a failure.

584
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: So the way I say it is, it was the

585
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 2: Lebron ten year in LA was a success. Butt.

586
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 3: And the butt is if I told you when he

587
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 3: got there in twenty eighteen that you would get eight years.

588
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: And I think this is like I joke, it's going

589
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 3: to be a trivia question people get wrong in twenty years.

590
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 3: This is Lebron's longest consecutive stretch with one team. It's

591
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 3: the Laker, this current Lakers stretch. Right, that's the team

592
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 3: he spent the most consecutive years with. Right, So you

593
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 3: told you you're gonna get yeah.

594
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: Go ahead, No, no, No.

595
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: That's interesting because it then brings up the question of

596
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: what logo does he go in the Hall of Fame with?

597
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 3: Right, It's fascinating and the idea of being so he's

598
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: there eight years and he's been mostly healthy until now,

599
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 3: basically mostly healthy and not just one title. It was

600
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: in a bubble one finals run like just one finals appearance.

601
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 3: And the fact that makes it even more interesting is

602
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 3: the fact that the title and the main high point

603
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: happened in a literal bubble with no parade, and they

604
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 3: then have this sort of robbed fans of his ability

605
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 3: to emotionally connect to these moments, these things that fandom

606
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 3: is built on. And I just think it's going to

607
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: make his legacy in LA really interesting and honestly diminish.

608
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: It when we look back on it in twenty years

609
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: and going to be like, wait, what happened there? What

610
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: was this? It's a strange.

611
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: No, it's always going to be the third Yeah, it's

612
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: never going to be the first or second part of

613
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: Lebron's career. It's always going to feel like the coda.

614
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: It's always going to be the coda.

615
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: No, I agree, I agree, but just strange. It's strength

616
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 3: to that point. It's strange that like that is the

617
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: long like I said, that longest stretch, right, that that

618
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: is not a three year period but an eight year

619
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 3: or maybe nine we'll.

620
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: See what happens stretch. That's the part that makes it strange.

621
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: Let me ask this, why do you think Lebron wasn't

622
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: a ring chaser. You know, there's always been this thought,

623
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: is he a ring chaser or not. He's clearly not

624
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: because if he wanted a ring chase, you and I

625
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: you tell me, But I think if he wanted a

626
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: ring chase, the Warriors would have found a way to

627
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: make room for him.

628
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: They called, out of my mind that they called it, right,

629
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 3: they asked, and he said, And it's really interesting. It

630
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 3: shows you where his relationship was with the Lakers in

631
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. He was in one of his passive

632
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 3: aggressive tweet streaks or whatever when he does.

633
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: And so they called.

634
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 3: They figured, okay, we'll call Geni Bus And they called,

635
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 3: and Genie Buss in a really interesting answer and she

636
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 3: gets censored about this, but she didn't say no. She said,

637
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: call Rich Paul Lebron's agent, call him and find out,

638
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: which is not a no right for like for her,

639
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: that's a big okay, Like, I don't know if call

640
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: him And he said no.

641
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: So he made that. Yeah, he's made a choice.

642
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: He's made a choice to sort of keep his roots

643
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: in La Maybe goes back to what we were talking

644
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 3: about before. For whatever reason, whether it's a family thing,

645
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 3: whether it just deciding he doesn't want to play for

646
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 3: a random team, you know, I just yeah, he hasn't

647
00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: done it.

648
00:28:59,000 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: He hasn't done it.

649
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's still sensitive about you know,

650
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 3: the Miami Super Team winking up and he doesn't want

651
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: that associated more than like, look I do that.

652
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I agree with you.

653
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: Well, let me go back to Miami because this one

654
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: is a little more personal to me. You have the

655
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: Bill Simmons version of events. Okay, right, and look, I

656
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: don't know if you listen to him, yes, yeah, of course,

657
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: so you well, I mean, then you know where that

658
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: he believes it was a peeing contest between pat Riley

659
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: and Lebron James. And there was no way Lebron James

660
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: was never he was never going to stay somewhere where

661
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: he wasn't the alpha, and pat Riley was never going

662
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: to keep somebody and play second fiddle to them. Is

663
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: that the reason why that that relationship ended?

664
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: I think partly, yeah, I would say the part I

665
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 3: would Riley did try like the and this is but

666
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: Riley did try to keep him right, and part of

667
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: it is that he was offended the way Lebron treated

668
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 3: him in the pitch meeting, like the the story about

669
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 3: I forget maybe Riley went up to Vegas to pitch

670
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: them and Lebron some of the guys like a soccer

671
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 3: game on the background, and Riley just felt, you know,

672
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: offended because this is and he's right, he's pat Riley

673
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 3: and thought he deserved a little more respect. The answer

674
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 3: to that is probably what you're saying is probably like

675
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 3: that was the build up to that, where sort of

676
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 3: this contest about who actually gets to run things, who's

677
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 3: in charge, who gets to do it, whose way. I

678
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: always compare the heat to like Lebron's graduate school almost

679
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: right where yeah, Cleveland.

680
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: I'd heard him call it college before, right.

681
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, it's just like he learned how to win.

682
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he learned how to win and how to

683
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: he needed it, and then he sort of took the

684
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 3: things he got there and took them out into the

685
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 3: world with him into Cleveland. Then, I mean the reason

686
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: he left and this is but the reason he left

687
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: he wanted to fix the Cleveland narrative, right, they wanted

688
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 3: to fix the decision narrative. They want to go back

689
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 3: win a title in Cleveland, Like that was I mean

690
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: the fact that they went back to tell you about him.

691
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: What does that tell you about Lebron? What do you

692
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: what do you take away? Not everybody would feel that

693
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: because he's never really going to live there again, right,

694
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: his kids may never live there. You know, I have

695
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: an attachment to Miami that my son has no attachment to,

696
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: right because he's never I don't think his kids really

697
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: have an attachment to Acron in Cleveland. But it meant

698
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: something to him to do that, for sure. What does

699
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: that tell you about him? That maybe we we we

700
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: we overlook sometimes in our in our sort of cheap

701
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: descriptions of these ubers.

702
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean one, it's you care people think,

703
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 3: which I actually think is not a you know, guess

704
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: someone as a negative. Like I always I always laugh,

705
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: you know, in my job, I always laugh when people say,

706
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 3: like when the athletes sad will pay attention? You all do,

707
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 3: and it's fine, like we all do. It's the most

708
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: human thing, Like what are you kidding? And so it's

709
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: caring right care of people think that's a big thing.

710
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: I think that like is it more about legacy and

711
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: caring what people think as opposed to the hometown thing.

712
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: I actually think a bit of it, but it's also intertwined,

713
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: and I think at that point it's probably hard for

714
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: to separate those two.

715
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: And obviously bringing the title, I mean that was looked Cleveland.

716
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: You know, they haven't won an NFL championship since the fifties.

717
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: They haven't won a baseball championship since the forties. It

718
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: was a b fd on.

719
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: Hundred, like the way the way I kind of said,

720
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 3: he went back to a team it mattered so much

721
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 3: to him, and because he recognized how much it had

722
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: mattered to Cleveland, he went back and was willing to

723
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: take checks and play for Dan Gilbert. I remember, Dan

724
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: Gilbert's the owner of people don't know he's the owner

725
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: of the Cavaliers. After Lebron goes to Miami, he writes,

726
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: and I might even use the coded like it might be. No,

727
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: it was a racist letter. It was a racist letter

728
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: saying basical, how dare Lebron leave?

729
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: It was terrible.

730
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: It was terror right, just like it was. I forget

731
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: who used but.

732
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: A plantation like letter was a phrase thrown around a

733
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: lot by people who by like you know, historians and

734
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: people who all throw that language around lightly. And Lebron

735
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 3: was willing and he's still in the cast Lebron went

736
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: back and it's not like it's not like he it

737
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: wasn't that because I always forgiven it because that was

738
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 3: so important to him, and it was so and he

739
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: thought it mad it would matter so much to the city.

740
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: Whether that's for an ego for the city, probably mix

741
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: them both right, that he was willing to go back

742
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: and say, you know what, I'm gonna eat it this,

743
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: I want to do this.

744
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: Of the three franchises, which one would build a statue

745
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: to them?

746
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: Well, so, I joke, the Lakers, I think are going

747
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: they just do that, right, even though it's weird and

748
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: La has.

749
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: Weird if the Lakers do it personally because it's not

750
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: he's the only one one.

751
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: Sorry, But wouldn't it be weird if they didn't? That's

752
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 3: the thing think about like that, Like would it be

753
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: weird if they didn't do it? Because you have Lebron again,

754
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: a top five, if not better player all time eight.

755
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: Years on your team.

756
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: It's almost like a statement I agree with you, but

757
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: it's almost like a statement if you don't do it.

758
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: All right, the Washington Wizards don't have a statue of

759
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, but.

760
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: That was two years, right that we didn't own it,

761
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 3: so it's different, but about two years it's not the

762
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: eight like, that's the thing. I mean, the LA relationship again,

763
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 3: the LA's relationship to Lebron is so interesting. It is

764
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: the one place he went there and he was not welcomed,

765
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: like it was not cheering. There was there were murals

766
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: of him that were de face with pictures of Kobe.

767
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: A lot of this goes back to the Kobe Lebron rivalry.

768
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: A little that was a little between them, but I'm

769
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: in a more macro sens was between sort of fan

770
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: their respective fandoms, and so.

771
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: Going in I never thought of it as much of

772
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: our because basically Kobe, you know, his last championship is right,

773
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: but the year before the decision.

774
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 3: Right yeah, And they and it never went up each other.

775
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 3: They never faced each other in the finals, which is

776
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 3: too bad. But they were pitted against each other and

777
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 3: by Nike and by marketing machines and media, and it

778
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 3: became a thing where Kobe's fans.

779
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 2: Which are Lakers fans, who are I mean the Lakers

780
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: Kobe fans.

781
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: Fans are not all Lakers. The thing I've learned about

782
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: l a and I have a my best friend lives

783
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: out there and he will he vouches for this too,

784
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: which is not all. Not all all Laker fans are

785
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: Kobe fans, but not all Kobe fans.

786
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: Are Kobe's ahead in the hierarchy.

787
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: Yes, Kobe is higher up in the hierarchy. And this

788
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: is double. This was true before he died, but it

789
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: cemented after he died.

790
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: Yes, And it's fascinating because then you think about it,

791
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 3: and then you think about Kobe and Lebron and they

792
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: are polar opposite in so many ways in terms of

793
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 3: their approach on the court, where like Kobe, it's like

794
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 3: I shoot over four guys, Lebron passes the open guy.

795
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: Lebron's you know my all kinds of a good teammate,

796
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 3: Night's guy. Kobe was a bit of a bleepole, right,

797
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: Kobe want to be friends like Kobe would to link

798
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: up with our players on their teams. Lebron obviously does.

799
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: And it sort of becomes like, that's the quote Mamba mentality,

800
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 3: and his fans then go to war for that quote

801
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: Mama mentality being correct as opposed to Lebron's approach, and

802
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden this guy you've been arguing

803
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: arguing against is dropped into your city and it just

804
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 3: creates these weird mix of emotions.

805
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's interesting, this this the persona of Lebron.

806
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: You know, I think about I. I I'm a Lebron

807
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: defender generally. Yeah, meaning I look at a kid at

808
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: fifteen who's on the cover of Sports Illustrated, who's told

809
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: he's going to be the next greatest basketball player of

810
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: all time, that this guy's the heir apparent of Michael Jordan.

811
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: And it's true. He lives up to an absurd set

812
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: of expectations that were set for him. And oh, by

813
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: the way, there's no major scandal around Lebron's life. You've

814
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 1: never you know, we can, I'm sure you there's plenty

815
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: of rumors that you've had to deal with that you

816
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: know that people would say, hey, did you know this

817
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: about him? There's rumors about every celebrity. Ninety percent of

818
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: them are not true or so exaggerated they're more not

819
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 1: true than true. But you know, I'm one of those,

820
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, you sort of crowdsource somebody's life. If he

821
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: was a bad dude. After twenty five years, we'd have

822
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: a parade of people telling us how bad of a

823
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: duty he was. Right, he's clearly a good guy. He's

824
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: a pretty you know, he's he's a good family man.

825
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: He's very protective of his mother. I think that's why

826
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: he never was going to go to New York. He

827
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: didn't trust the New York tabloids to leave his mother alone.

828
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: I've always believed that that's Miami. Is this safe space.

829
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: Yep for that.

830
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: We Miami has never had a New York post culture

831
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 1: is what I'll call it. Right, there's no Page six.

832
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: Celebrities are allowed to live in Miami and people malone.

833
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: It's very similar to La. There's just not as many

834
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: celebrities in Miami as or is in LA. But it's

835
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: that same thing. Oh, everybody leaves them alone, you know, nobody.

836
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: You know, we're all we're all hiding from something here

837
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: in Miami. That's why we're here, right, That's that's okay.

838
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: And yet he seems polarizing, Like I understand why Kobe's polarizing,

839
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: But why the hell did Lebron? How did it hell

840
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: did Lebron end up polarizing?

841
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 3: It's it's it's it's not a good it's the decision,

842
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: the original decision, that's what does it And it's so strange.

843
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a harsh way to put it,

844
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: but it can take the Kobe comparison more. It's said,

845
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 3: people seem to have less of a problem getting over

846
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: a sexual assault allegation and they do a pr uh

847
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 3: thing free agent thing, which I don't buy this, but

848
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: like I could spin it that worst thing he ever

849
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: did was do an awkward free agent thing that raised

850
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: money for charity.

851
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: Like that's the worst thing he did, right.

852
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: Right, And again, I know the charity thing is a

853
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 3: bit of a cop out. I don't know full but like,

854
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: but on its surface, that's what it.

855
00:37:58,960 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: That's what it is.

856
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 3: And and yet and I think he's never recovered from that,

857
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: and it's I mean, it kind of goes through your

858
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: intro the second about sports and what people feel like

859
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 3: they're entitled to as fans and what we expect, how

860
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: we expect athletes to.

861
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 2: Serve us, and it taps into all these greater things.

862
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: You know, It's interesting the decision. I would argue that

863
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: was the last moment where a majority of fans took

864
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: the side of franchises over players, because ever since then,

865
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: fans are more pro player than franchise.

866
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 3: I mean, he sort of that and that's sort of

867
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: like that's part of the part of his legacy. Ran Usher,

868
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 3: you need this so called player powerment that right.

869
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: Right, he brought it in. He made a hell of

870
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: a lot of money for Kevin Durant. Right, he blazed

871
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: a trail for Kevin Durant. Sure, he blazed a trail

872
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: for Chris Paul and some of these other guys that

873
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: made money ended up being able to sort of demand

874
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: what they want or a Kyrie Irving, right, James Harden.

875
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: We can go on and on. None of those guys

876
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: are able to do with get what they got if

877
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: Lebron hadn't done what he did right and he changed

878
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: so changed the game. And yet this pioneer is not

879
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: even held up in high esteem I think among NBA players.

880
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: I agree.

881
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: It's strange, Like obviously all respect his, no one, there's

882
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: no everyone respects the greatness and the longevity, which is

883
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 3: part of it, and the fact that he's forty or

884
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 3: forty one, and like this is the first time we're

885
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 3: seeing a little slip up.

886
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: It's insane he.

887
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: Treats I mean, look, I also think he shows, you know,

888
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: to be great, you have to work at it. Yeah,

889
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: and you have to make a choice. You can't be

890
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: a you can't live the lifestyle. Look, Michael Jordan could

891
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: live a high roller lifestyle and be great at basketball Lebron.

892
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: But guess what, Michael was still only great for a

893
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: shorter period of time.

894
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: He was done by high thirty. He was done. He

895
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 2: was done.

896
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: Lebron trained his body and mind to be able to

897
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: essentially last like Tom Brady. And you know it's funny,

898
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: is like Brady. You know, Brady's also not beloved outside

899
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: of New England. He's respected, he's acknowledged. But there's this

900
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: weird versus a Peyton Manning. Who's the more lovable guy?

901
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: Right?

902
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: All love Peyton Manning. I want Peyton Manning to sponsor this.

903
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: Brady was, you know, but Brady was so he seemed

904
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: to be so obsessed with football you didn't care about

905
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: the outside world. I think Lebron's mostly the same way.

906
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 3: The Brady is the guy I always compare him to, right,

907
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 3: just because there is no take tennis out of it,

908
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 3: but the four major American sports, like, there's no comp

909
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 3: to what these guys do to be this great, that

910
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 3: great at.

911
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: That age, it's unheard of.

912
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 3: It's unheard of, and like the way one of the

913
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 3: things I dolivings, I loved this kind of like talk

914
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: to people about how Lebron has got him like this

915
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 3: and the way has explained to me. You know that

916
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 3: he's mapping out every minute. It shows you the discipline

917
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 3: that every hour of every day's mapped down. So they'll

918
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: be filming space Jam and then it's like two twenty

919
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 3: and his trainer potnay joke, he pops out a trap

920
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: door for like his two twenty seven in Kinwa, right,

921
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: or things like that, just knowing every hour. Michael Beasley

922
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: told me his stories Lebron's longtime friends, saying it's like

923
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: a bleeping NASCAR pit stop around them half the time.

924
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 3: Just these guys are always around there, and yeah, it's

925
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: something about it.

926
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: But I agree.

927
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 3: So the respects there, But he's not the loved the

928
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: same way I think Kobe's probably again it's a Jordan thing,

929
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: a Kobe thing. Like these are guys who you hear

930
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 3: people talk about people meaning fans, media, but also players talk.

931
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: About in a different way than Lebron, And it's fascinating.

932
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,960
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Speaker 1: Their fee is free unless they win. This is this

951
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: Lebron's last year. I do I know, I mean, you

952
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: know this is it'd obviously be really good for your book.

953
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 3: If it was, he would try to hitting that moving target.

954
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: My answers, I don't know. I genuinely I don't think

955
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 3: he knows.

956
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: That's my read on it is. I don't think.

957
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: I think he's sort of he's a free agent now

958
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: they left. He says, sorry, he's on expiring contract. He

959
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: has for the first time in his career he is

960
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 3: on expireing deal. I think he's It seems to be

961
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 3: he's wreckon reckoning with no longer being the power player

962
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 3: that he once was and no longer being in total control.

963
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: He also like there's a lot of things he wants

964
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: to a lot of boxes he wants to check. Like

965
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: most assume he's gonna want a farewell tour. He also

966
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: has made clear talk about the player empowerment stuff.

967
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: So he doesn't have a farewell tour now, correct, So

968
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: let's make good have announced it this year?

969
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: Correct? That makes me think where it's going to get

970
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 2: at least one more year.

971
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 3: He doesn't take CAF of Cleveland right, It does right

972
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: because it comes back to so where is it going

973
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 3: to be.

974
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: It's like, if you're doing a farewell tour, it's gonna

975
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 2: be a Lake Lakers or Calves. That's it. Anyone else,

976
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: that's it.

977
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't even make sense for Miami anymore. Right,

978
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: you can't make a Miami case. Yeah.

979
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: No, And and and he doesn't take pay cuts. That's

980
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: the part he's gonna have to be interesting. It's going

981
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 2: to be interesting.

982
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 3: So since Miami, he joined Miami, he took a pay

983
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 3: cut to join them, And since then we talked about

984
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: the player empowerment. He's been very big on like, I

985
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 3: don't take pay cuts. We take the max deal. And

986
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: I don't think it's for like selfish reasons. I think

987
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 3: it's more of representing the player for us and sort

988
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 3: of being you know, union guy for lack of a

989
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 3: better term. And if you're not willing to take a

990
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 3: pay cut, your options are limited right where. You know,

991
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 3: if I was advising him, I might say, no, one's

992
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: going to call you a scab at the age of

993
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: forty one. You take ten million dollars instead of thirty, right,

994
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: Like that's okay, go where he wants. But I don't

995
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: know what he wants.

996
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: Well, I mean Cleveland is a fascinating destination right now

997
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: because he might be able to win a title too

998
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: in this farewell year, if he chose to do that

999
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: next year. I mean, this is a team that is

1000
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: it is, it is in it's the best version of

1001
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Cavaliers without a guy named Lebron James on

1002
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: it as it is for sure.

1003
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 3: I thought he should have gone there like he because

1004
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 3: he's kind of put out again some passive aggressive statements

1005
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 3: this year, and I remember being like talking to some

1006
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: people in NBA and just be like, do what you want, Like,

1007
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: do you want to go home go to Cleveland then

1008
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 3: it's fine, or you want to stay do what he wants?

1009
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: I agree, well, And as a player, you know the

1010
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: beauty of Lebron And just to me is why you

1011
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: got to give it to him as a as a teammate,

1012
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: is that he he'd understands, he knows how to play

1013
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: a role if that's the best way to win a game.

1014
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: Yep.

1015
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: I mean he could be an important role player and

1016
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: oddly that Cleveland could use for sure.

1017
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: And the part I joke is like we talked about it,

1018
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: but you know he's not top five player anymore. Last

1019
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 3: year he was second team o MBA, which means he

1020
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 3: was top twenty, top ten.

1021
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 2: Still, like, it's still incredible. If he wanted, he won't

1022
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: do it.

1023
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: We had, you know, most old guys you get to

1024
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 3: the point where they're kind of the bench guy playing

1025
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes a game.

1026
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: Like he could do that for seven more years if

1027
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: he wanted to.

1028
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: He's so good and so smart and talk about the

1029
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 3: role player stuff, So I mean anything would take him

1030
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 3: for next year for sure.

1031
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 1: Well, look, the other issue here has to be Brownie

1032
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: yep right, and and and the role of and then

1033
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: his middle son who some argue who's a little bit

1034
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: taller than his brother.

1035
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 2: Right, correct.

1036
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: So my understanding is Bryce was Bryce is the other one.

1037
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: He was once a better prospect. It seems to be

1038
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 3: unclear now Bronnie's condes is why. So I always thought,

1039
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 3: you know, and as you're writing it, you're like, oh,

1040
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: that's what I want. But I always thought this would

1041
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 3: be the last year because Bronnie's he's no, his contract

1042
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 3: is no longer guaranteed after this year. So that's part

1043
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 3: of the equation which I find really interesting. And so

1044
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 3: we not talked about much. Yeah, I don't know, I

1045
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 3: don't know if another team would take Bronnie if the

1046
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: the reason Lebron was able to force that through last

1047
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 3: time is because he was still good enough to force

1048
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 3: that through. You know at this point, at the point

1049
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 3: is at the case I don't know, well, is.

1050
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: It would any of us? Would any other team have

1051
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: drafted Bronnie Smith?

1052
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: No?

1053
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: No, I mean I do think a team would have

1054
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: drafted Bronnie James. I do actually believe that another team

1055
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: would have because I think that was always another rumor. Hey,

1056
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: does a team who wants Lebron and the for for

1057
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: two for like sort of a two year farewell tour,

1058
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: do they draft Brownie as a way to bait him?

1059
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 3: Right too, and clearly and clutch for Bron's agency was

1060
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 3: worried about that because they they they they forced Bronni,

1061
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 3: they would basically turn other teams away from himself.

1062
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: Another told them don't draft because he was ended up

1063
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: drafting the second round. They told other teams do not draft.

1064
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: They said, you know some team that heard stories about

1065
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 3: teams on asking his agent Rich Paul, would Bronnie played

1066
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 3: the G League and the answer was, he ain't know

1067
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: if it works with the NBA schedule, which is not

1068
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: what they were really implying.

1069
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: Right, That wasn't the reason the.

1070
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: Question was asked that or they have draft telling teams

1071
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 3: if you draft him, he's going to Australia like they

1072
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 3: really they were forcing it through to make sure that

1073
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: he would end up.

1074
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: With the Lakers.

1075
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: What does Lebron want out of this for his sons?

1076
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: If I get if I get critical at all, and

1077
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm always I don't like to be I don't like

1078
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: my parenting to be back seat driven, so I don't.

1079
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm hesitant to backseat drive another parent. But man, i'd

1080
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: like to think I wouldn't put that much pressure on

1081
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: my kids, and he's put some He's put some serious

1082
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: pressure on brown I feel nothing but empathy for Brownie,

1083
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: and I know that that seems odd, but I do no.

1084
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 3: You know, it's so interesting, So I agree with you.

1085
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 3: So that Lebron Brownie think is really interesting because he's

1086
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 3: said he's been in locker rooms saying things out loud

1087
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 3: when he knows reporters are around, like, oh, Bronnie could play,

1088
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 3: he's better than half these guys in the NBA, or

1089
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 3: tweeting out about my drafts being bad. All these things

1090
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: where I would say, as a parent, too, like that

1091
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 3: seems awful, that seems bad. And then and yet clearly

1092
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 3: they've done something right because Bronnie.

1093
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 2: By all accounts, is a really he's.

1094
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 3: I mean not by he's well liked, he's respectful, he

1095
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 3: works hard.

1096
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: Everyone loves him actually really and he's just like his father,

1097
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: pretty high basketball like you. He may not have the abilities,

1098
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: but he knows what he should be.

1099
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 2: Doing, correct, So everyone loves Brownie.

1100
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 3: So the fact, whenever I find myself saying that seems

1101
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 3: like awful parenting, right, Whenever I find myself saying.

1102
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: That, fine, I sit there too.

1103
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And I.

1104
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 3: Kind of count the saying, you know what they raised

1105
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 3: in basically on the celebrity spotlight, they raised a kid

1106
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 3: and it seemed to have worked out.

1107
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: So I don't know if that's luck or they knew

1108
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: what they were doing. So that's kind of how I defer.

1109
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 3: But it's funny you say that because I've had these

1110
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: same conversations with people and with myself, you know, internal

1111
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 3: dialogues about this stuff.

1112
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: And I guess that that's that's going to be a factor.

1113
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: What what do we think his middle son is at

1114
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: Arizona that he arizonated into. So are they Is he

1115
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: going to play this year? I it was that game

1116
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: was on last night and I forgot that there was

1117
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: a James on there. I should have checked it out.

1118
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: It would have been good, good, good prep for this.

1119
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: But is he gonna play?

1120
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 3: They don't, They don't. They don't know from Bryce's perspective,

1121
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 3: and Lebron Lebron and Media Day was asked, you know

1122
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 3: you're gonna wait for him? And I forget exact Well

1123
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: it was basically no, you know, I'm not waiting for him.

1124
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 3: You know we're not going to get to that point.

1125
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: So there's a world where Luca and Lebron could be

1126
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: a fascinating version sort of a twenty first century version

1127
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: of Kareem and Magic, sort of one guy at the

1128
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: in the sunset of his career, one guy getting ready

1129
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: for his peak powers. But why do I get the

1130
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: sense that there's just no chemistry between these two?

1131
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 3: So the funny part is, well, they haven't played a

1132
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 3: lot together. That's the short answer. Lebron loves Luca. Like

1133
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 3: Luca is one of these guys. First of all, all

1134
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 3: NBA players respect him. He's sort of Lebron like in

1135
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 3: terms of his you know, the chess master moving pieces

1136
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 3: around years ago.

1137
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: Lebron hadn't played defense. Lebron plays for sure.

1138
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 3: For sure, but so years ago, well, lebronch was going

1139
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 3: to build out or was building out his own Jordan

1140
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 3: like Lebron line for Nike, and Luca was one of

1141
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 3: the guys he targeted and that was way before. So like,

1142
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 3: Luca's always been a guy he likes, and he talks

1143
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 3: to people around Lebron now and they say, now Lebron

1144
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 3: loves Luca, the Lakers he might feel differently about, right,

1145
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 3: So like the la I think anything you're seeing is

1146
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 3: if you see a passive aggressive or maybe see a

1147
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: clip of Lebron watching a game and maybe not being

1148
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 3: mister raw ra guy. I think that's more about Lakers

1149
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 3: organizational and the fact that they haven't given him that

1150
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 3: they didn't offer from a contract extension last summer, as

1151
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 3: opposed to any issues with the Encourt guys.

1152
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: But in fairness to the Lakers, my god, what I

1153
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: mean they can't keep I would argue, I mean, I think,

1154
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: and this is the real question is when you ask

1155
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: basketball people, has keeping Lebron around? Actually you know, certainly

1156
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: pre trade of Luca. Look, the Luca trade falls into

1157
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: their lap, which is you know why, there's why why

1158
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: our friend mister Simmons wants to have a conspiracy theory

1159
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: about somehow this helps the It is amazing how often

1160
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: the Celtics and Lakers end up with of course, oh boy,

1161
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: just when they need a player to it. Of course

1162
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: their legacy going. They find it right, But it it doesn't.

1163
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem as if that keeping Lebron has actually

1164
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: been good for the Lakers for the rest of this decade.

1165
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: This isn't the right way to prepare for a post

1166
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 1: Lebron Lakers.

1167
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 2: No, I agree with you.

1168
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 3: I don't think they're wrong. And the most the interesting

1169
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 3: part is they were doing this. They were moving on

1170
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 3: before Luca. So if you look back, if you're you know,

1171
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 3: the Lakers hired JJ Red to be the head coach

1172
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 3: before last year.

1173
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: There's always been a question that was not Lebron's first choice?

1174
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: Correct it was?

1175
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 2: It was. It wasn't that Lebron was out of it.

1176
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 2: It wasn't necessarily his first choice.

1177
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 3: Like he They floated that they had floated they want

1178
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 3: some other guys, and everyone assumed because Lebron and Jji

1179
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 3: Redick were hosting a podcast together, because not really, since

1180
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,479
Speaker 3: it's twenty twenty five, why wouldn't that be the case.

1181
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: Of course, that's what.

1182
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: By the way, Rich Paul apparently is going to have

1183
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: a a a podcast with Simmons right and in that world.

1184
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 3: And if you want to, if anyone who wants to

1185
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: do a fun google now that you know Rich Paul's,

1186
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 3: you know, going to be working with Bill Simmons, look

1187
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 3: up what Rich Paul said about Bill Simmons in an

1188
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 3: interview with Isaac Channer in The New Yorker, and that'll

1189
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 3: be a fun nun.

1190
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: Tool to Simmons gredit. He kind of alluded to it

1191
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,479
Speaker 1: when he in his podcast earlier this week. What he said,

1192
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: he goes, Yeah, when we had the first meeting, it

1193
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: wasn't clear whether there's this question. There's Rich like Bill,

1194
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: there's Bill like Rich.

1195
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 3: Get ready yeah soon. I'll say this about Rich Paul's

1196
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 3: this is separate. I like Rich Paul. I find like

1197
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 3: he is a professional's wrong word, he just gets it.

1198
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 3: He's not sensitive like he can he can. He's okay

1199
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 3: if you criticize him, and then you can talk about it.

1200
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 3: Talking out and he's cool with it. You know, sometimes

1201
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 3: people in the sports world are uber sensitive about things,

1202
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 3: and he is not one of them. But we were

1203
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: saying to the JJ Redick, the Lakers hire JJ red

1204
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 3: to be their head coach. And you listen to that

1205
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 3: press conference, it's hilarious because they're talking like they're the

1206
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: Oklaho City Thunder. They're talking about it's a new world.

1207
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 3: We were into player Development's talk about they're going to

1208
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 3: make a player development app, which I don't know whatever

1209
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 3: happened to that. You know, there's new salary cap structures.

1210
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 3: We don't do superstars anymore. Luca then falls to the

1211
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 3: lap and they change everything. But they were moving on

1212
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 3: from Lebron before last year.

1213
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: Let's do two more items here before before I let

1214
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: you go. One is Magic Johnson's relationship with the Lakers.

1215
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: Is it? Is there one anymore? Or you know, after

1216
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: the debacle of his role has sort of head of

1217
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: basketball operations and now that he's you know, I see

1218
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: him in most Commanders games now hanging out with as

1219
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 1: a part owner of that team. He's a part owner

1220
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: of that. He was all over the Dodgers like of course,

1221
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: it seems like he always knew where the camera was.

1222
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 1: There's a camera, there's a camera, there's Magic finding his

1223
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: way into it.

1224
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 2: Right.

1225
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: What's the relationship between Magic Lebron and Magic and the Lakers?

1226
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 3: Okay, so the most interesting part is that the Lakers

1227
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 3: just sold recently to Mark Walter, who owns the Dodgers.

1228
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 3: So Magic Johnson, I guess is it's it's actually interesting

1229
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 3: question because people don't know, and people are around the

1230
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 3: NBA are really curious. So Magic it ended. The background

1231
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 3: is him and Genie Boss were basically like brother and sister,

1232
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 3: so close. She brings him in for a year to

1233
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 3: run or two years he's there and it ends, like

1234
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 3: you said, horribly, just a flame out. It's embarrassing to her,

1235
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 3: embarrassing to the franchise. And then he goes on TV

1236
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 3: and he accuses Rob Polinka, a general manager who's still

1237
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 3: the general manager, of backstabbing him. He says that that's

1238
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 3: not even He's not like sources say. He's saying that

1239
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 3: the Steph N Smith that rap Polinka backstabby on first take. Right,

1240
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 3: So Rop Polink is still there, he's still the general manager, right,

1241
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 3: He's still there. Lebron was not thrilled with how the

1242
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 3: Magic stuff, and then Lebron also they him and his

1243
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 3: group were really accommodating. Maybe that's the wrong word, like

1244
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 3: magic after they saw Lebron was very big.

1245
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: I mean, wasn't Magic credited with recruiting Lebron and so

1246
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: this is to be credited.

1247
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: This is what I say. They're accommodating. They were very

1248
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 2: accommodating to Magic.

1249
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 3: Telling the setting him there going on Jimmy Kimblell talking

1250
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 3: about how he's outside Lebron's house at midnight or whatever,

1251
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 3: and that was, as someone explained to me, I think

1252
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 3: I put this in the book, like Lebron was going

1253
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 3: there whether Magic was there or not. But they were

1254
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 3: okay to let Magic do that.

1255
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: So Matt, they do that.

1256
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 3: And then Magic, besides being bad at the job, just

1257
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 3: to leave in this ridiculous way of announcing in a

1258
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 3: press conference without telling anyone he's leaving and just basically

1259
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 3: walking out the door. It's embarrassing. So I don't think

1260
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 3: the relationship between him and Lebron is I think everyone

1261
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: respects Magic and what he was. I wouldn't say that's

1262
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 3: particularly close the him and Genie Bus. Their relationship is

1263
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 3: still there, but it's not what it once was, but

1264
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 3: again repeating what it looks like when Magic's partner now

1265
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 3: buys the buys the Lakers and what that means. It's

1266
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 3: I can tell you people asking me that question and

1267
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1268
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: Well, are the buses keeping a piece of the team.

1269
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 3: So the genie is fifteen percent, which is the minimum

1270
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 3: amount required to still be officially the governor.

1271
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: And she's the governor, he's the governor of the rep. Yeah.

1272
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 2: Correct, that could always change.

1273
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 3: And we've seen other example and like where we told,

1274
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 3: you know, Mark Cuban sold the team and said he

1275
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 3: was going to be running in It wasn't the case.

1276
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 2: This seems to be more locked in than that. But

1277
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 2: it could change any minute.

1278
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: Politics, right, and Lebron has It's funny, It's like, I

1279
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: actually don't think he's weighed in that often in politics

1280
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: compared to I could argue, compared to even Shack at Magic,

1281
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 1: Shack at Magic show up on events, they do stuff.

1282
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: When they did stuff for Obama, you know, Lebron, it

1283
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: was always more the Obama people wanted more Lebron, and

1284
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: Lebron was you know, felt like Michael Jordan in nineteen

1285
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: ninety when he refused to endorse Harvey Gant in the

1286
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: Jesse Helm Senate race in North Carolina. He never actually

1287
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: said the quote, well Republicans by but you know, it's

1288
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: always been the line, no shocker, right, But the legend

1289
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: of that quote sits out there, and I always got

1290
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: a sense that Lebron at least there was always a

1291
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: piece of him that heard that, and he would he

1292
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: certainly made you know, he did not want to seem

1293
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 1: like he was unsupportive, particularly of the concerns of African Americans.

1294
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: So he never wanted to be seen is not supportive there.

1295
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: But he never I never, I've never thought of him

1296
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: as as active in politics as the reputation that is

1297
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: out there in the right in particular is that he is.

1298
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: I think that's a great way to put it.

1299
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 3: And I think the way you put I think the

1300
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 3: real what you just said, the ending part there, right,

1301
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 3: how he gets framed by the right and sort of

1302
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 3: in today's world where you just you know you're good

1303
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 3: or bad, everything's by it doesn't matter.

1304
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: It's sort of what the different we we live in

1305
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: these different ecosystems, and the right has decided he politicizes everything,

1306
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: and you're like, really, because correct he really doesn't. When

1307
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: you when you look, I mean, you know, he does not.

1308
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: He does not get actively involved. He doesn't write big checks,

1309
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: he doesn't show up in TV ads. Magic Johnson does

1310
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: all of those things right and always has.

1311
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, no Lebron, I mean even the first ones he did.

1312
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: It's interesting.

1313
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 3: So he never did anything until Obama two thousand and eight.

1314
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 3: I think it was j Jay Z was at a

1315
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 3: thing that basically brought Lebron in, brought Lebron with right,

1316
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 3: it was correct, correct, you'll member the Trayvon Martin. He

1317
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 3: had a statement with the heat. But the interesting it

1318
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 3: was it wasn't him, it was the whole, all the teammates,

1319
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 3: the whole entire team. He's with the group, hooded sweatshirt on.

1320
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 3: And then there was another I'm gonna forget it might

1321
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 3: been Eric Garner.

1322
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1323
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 3: Maybe in New York. I can't breathe, and he wasn't

1324
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 3: sure if he was going to do a T shirt.

1325
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 3: He was sort of in and out in twenty twenty two.

1326
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: Things.

1327
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 3: What twenty sixteen with Trump seemed to ignite him a

1328
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 3: little bit. I mean is the famous you bum tweet,

1329
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 3: which is pretty funny because.

1330
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: Trump went after him, and of correct, you know, Lebron

1331
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: it's funny. He is just like us in that he

1332
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: lets social media get under his skin everyone.

1333
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 2: So, for sure, one hundred percent he's very much in

1334
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 2: on social media.

1335
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 3: And then the most involved he got was twenty twenty

1336
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 3: in the bubble, which again I mean that's we'll look

1337
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 3: back in that fifty years from now and just a million.

1338
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: Everybody did this was George Floyd. This was sort of right.

1339
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: It's like people getting involved in the civil rights movement

1340
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: in the sixties. It just wasntrect like everybody was getting

1341
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: involved on and it wasn't specific. I mean again, they

1342
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: were very specific what they did. Him and his guy.

1343
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 3: He had this guy, Adam Mendelssohn, who's uh, who's Donold

1344
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 3: Schwarzenegger's communications Guy's his communications guy. And well Lebrons group

1345
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 3: are really good at They're great at finding experts what

1346
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 3: they want to do, and that we find the experts

1347
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 3: to execute it. So they get all these people from

1348
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 3: the political field.

1349
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna forget there. You would if I told you

1350
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: the names, you would know all them.

1351
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: No, But I knew about Mendelssohn and a few others. No,

1352
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: he's he's careful. He doesn't do stuff, but whether it's

1353
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: business or politics or culture, he does seem to be

1354
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: calculating and careful.

1355
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 2: And they're right.

1356
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 3: It wasn't about there was not voting. It was there

1357
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 3: very specific. It wasn't about a specific candidate. It wasn't

1358
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 3: about vote for Joe Biden. It was let's mobilize and

1359
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 3: let's vote and make sure we can vote. That's an

1360
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 3: American right. There's nothing political, which whatever, but there's nothing

1361
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 3: political about getting out to vote. And that was what

1362
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 3: the how they pushed it. So I and and since then, honestly,

1363
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 3: it's like you said, he might have endorsed. He might

1364
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 3: have endorsed Biden his last I don't remember what.

1365
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: He did, and I'm sure he endorsed Commel. I'm not

1366
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: saying he didn't. I mean, my goodness. The NBA, you know,

1367
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: I always say this. You know, the NFL is the

1368
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: truly the only equally divided fan base. It really looks

1369
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: like America. It is, Yes, it is fifty to fifty.

1370
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: NBA leans left, golf lean's right, Baseball leans right, Hockey

1371
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: leans right, like you know, you know, show me your

1372
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: fan base and I'll show you which way they lean exactly,

1373
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, so there certainly is an

1374
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: assumption of Lebron's politics, but I've always thought he was

1375
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: put it this way. He wasn't nearly as front facing

1376
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: as Kareem was in his heyday.

1377
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: No, not even close, not even close.

1378
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 3: And the only thing is, I would say, so there

1379
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 3: was one point around twenty twenty where it seemed like

1380
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 3: he was thinking he wanted to maybe position himself as

1381
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 3: that get that where he has like he's walking out

1382
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 3: with Malcolm X books and again, but this is twenty twenty,

1383
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 3: and like he's I mean, twenty twenty, he was just

1384
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 3: we could throw it out the window in terms of

1385
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 3: what people were doing and how people are approaching things.

1386
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 3: But he did seem to sort of be sort of

1387
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 3: be dabbling in some of that stuff. I think he rightfully.

1388
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 2: I don't think that's his specialty, and I think he's

1389
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 2: been smart to sort of pull back on that a

1390
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: little bit. So that's the only thing I would say.

1391
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: But the other part is the Laura Ingram shut up

1392
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: and dribble right now.

1393
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 3: Was the other thing, which was again we talk about

1394
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 3: coded and not even coded right and now that cross

1395
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 3: that across the line, and that also ignited and that

1396
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 3: sort of set them off.

1397
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 2: In a way too.

1398
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: No, it's always I've always thought Lebron was a reactive

1399
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: political person, not.

1400
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 2: A It's a great way to put it in person.

1401
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 2: I like, that's a great way to put it.

1402
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well let me get you out of here

1403
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: on this. In twenty years, Lebron is going to be

1404
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: we know, Look, we can have the goat conversation. I

1405
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: actually somebody who thinks that Magic Johnson should be in

1406
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: the in a three way conversation with with Jordan and Lebron.

1407
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: And my argument is, you know what Jordan and Lebron

1408
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: didn't do. They didn't win a title in their first year.

1409
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: They didn't take a team that didn't make the playoffs

1410
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: and win it.

1411
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 2: And I love it.

1412
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, if not for HIV, does

1413
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: Magic have six rings and Michael has five? And what's

1414
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: the conversation? Right?

1415
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 2: Like, we could?

1416
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: I could, I could have that, so I will. I'm

1417
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: and I've always thought Lebron is if you if you

1418
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: went to a lab and you and you your two

1419
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: ingredients were Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan, you would get Lebron, right,

1420
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: Like Lebron is the best of both them. So legacy

1421
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: stuff aside that the six titles versus ten finals, that's

1422
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, that's always going to be the marker that

1423
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: one person makes one argument to say it's Lebron, another

1424
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: person makes the Ergan sage Jordan. But the one place

1425
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: he has a chance to surpass Michael and Magic is

1426
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: in being a front office guy and a right Magic

1427
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: was terrible as a coach, terrible as a GM. Michael

1428
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: terrible as a GM, terrible as an owner. We have

1429
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: first head experience here in Washington and we've watched the

1430
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: debacle that is Charlotte. Is that what Lebron is? There

1431
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: a competitiveness in him that he sees an opportunity that

1432
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: he gets to have a legacy that that nobody else

1433
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: of the NBA all time greats have had. He can

1434
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: also be as successful on the business side too.

1435
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 3: That's a great question. I don't know if he's comparing

1436
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 3: to Jordan. I do think that's something he cares about, right,

1437
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 3: I do think being remembered in terms of as a success.

1438
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 3: And we see he's a billion dollars, like he's already

1439
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 3: been there, and you know, he's sort of approached the business.

1440
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 3: He's been one of these guys who's been into like

1441
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 3: we get equity and companies. That's going way back already

1442
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 3: since you know, since he was twenty, which was insane.

1443
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: If you think of all the mistakes Magic made early on, he's.

1444
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 3: Correct, right, Yeah, just I mean the the the IQ

1445
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 3: just it's through the charts, off the charts. I do.

1446
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 2: I think the legacy is gonna be maybe different the ownerships.

1447
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 3: I think the legacy is gonna be an all time

1448
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 3: great who was different than everyone else, right in terms

1449
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 3: of being remembered as between the longevity, the player empowerment stuff,

1450
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 3: that's gonna be a huge part of it. I'm like you,

1451
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 3: I joked that there's like forty top ten players, right,

1452
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 3: not top three, but like if you start naming top

1453
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 3: ten guys and you named Jerry and Magic and Kareem

1454
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 3: and Shack and you get to thirty five of them, right,

1455
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like he's I don't know how

1456
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 3: to discern between any of them.

1457
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, well, look at baseball, how do you have

1458
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: the show hate conversation versus A's and and you know

1459
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: we all had the official line back in the day

1460
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: of May and and and and Ruth and now you're like, well,

1461
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: what do we do with shohek? You know, totally changes

1462
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: that conversation.

1463
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 3: Right, So the ownership part is interesting too because it

1464
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 3: also maybe and this is I'm thinking about it, like

1465
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 3: if it went poorly, it would really I think it

1466
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 3: would hurt him, maybe more than it hurt Jordan and

1467
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 3: magic as well.

1468
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 2: And that's also interesting.

1469
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: Interesting, huh just because the expects It's because that expectations

1470
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: bar is so high.

1471
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and almost like again talk to some of this

1472
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 3: stuff where we talk about and for whatever reason, he's

1473
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 3: not the love necessarily the same way. It's like you're

1474
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 3: starting at a low. It's like you're starting at a

1475
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 3: five instead of a ten, right, and it cannock you lower,

1476
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 3: you know, you have It's almost like more to lose

1477
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 3: or whatever. As opposed to Jordan. I mean, the Jordan thinks, wow,

1478
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 3: nobody cares what he did any point he can like

1479
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 3: he speaks on NBC Now for three minutes, and people

1480
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 3: think it's the greatest interview of all time, right' I.

1481
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 2: Don't get it.

1482
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: I mean I don't find Jordan's you know, I find

1483
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: Jordan's criticism of of players not playing every game to

1484
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: be totally naive of what the game is today. Of course,

1485
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: Like it's just like it's just he feels like a

1486
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: guy that doesn't even watch the current NBA if this

1487
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: is what he thinks.

1488
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 2: No, it was so predictable.

1489
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 3: Also, like you knew, like with Jordan on load management,

1490
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 3: they would like they kept hyping that and I could

1491
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 3: tell you I was going to say, then we knew

1492
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 3: what to say.

1493
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 2: Right, he's wearing the same suit.

1494
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 3: It seems like they talked him once for like twenty

1495
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 3: five minutes and chomping exactly what they did.

1496
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and everyone but people are eating it up.

1497
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 2: So I don't know. The Jordan thing is the whole

1498
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 2: sid I don't know. It's like this aura around.

1499
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: Now there's a Greta Garbo. I mean not to go

1500
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: back way. I mean he's in a super old reference, right,

1501
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: but that was the old joke. She stopped talking to

1502
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,439
Speaker 1: the press. So anytime you heard a quote of Greta

1503
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: gar oh my god, we've heard from it's like with

1504
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: Jordan's weirdly, he never talks, so whenever you know it's

1505
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: By the way, this is a good reminder if you're

1506
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: super famous with holding your comments on things could then

1507
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: make whatever you say down the road more interesting than correct.

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01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, so it's just I don't know how anyone

1509
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 3: competes the Jordan. I get that's I guess that's what

1510
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 3: I'm saying. I don't know how you compete with that, right,

1511
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 3: It just I don't know.

1512
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: All right, you do a book tour. We were in

1513
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: the midst of it, in the midst of it, yes, yeah,

1514
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: is it? How much of it is physical?

1515
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 2: How much of it is most virtual? Yeah, most is virtual?

1516
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 2: And you say this year's year of twenty twenty five.

1517
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: You know, well, I know you you what kind of

1518
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: reception are you getting from a lebron world and what

1519
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,439
Speaker 1: kind of reception are you from Laker world?

1520
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 3: So the Laker world, I mean it's gonna open. The

1521
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:26,959
Speaker 3: Lakers threatened to ssue me before this book came.

1522
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: Out, So that was that was fun before the book

1523
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: came out.

1524
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 3: Over what not checking the well, they hired this guy,

1525
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 3: but they they hired Marty Singer, who was a famous

1526
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 3: defamation lawyer before they got the fact check, so they

1527
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 3: would claim it's a fact check, but they doesn't line up.

1528
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that was good. The Laker world is.

1529
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: There's nothing that gives a book more promotion than some

1530
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: Yahoo threatening to sue it.

1531
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 3: I agree, and I joke that I should thank him

1532
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 3: for the marketing, you know, I kind of I was

1533
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 3: going to send Geny Bussey thank you note, you know,

1534
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 3: and uh, Lebron World. They're fine with it. It's fine,

1535
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 3: you know, Laker World's interesting. I'll get a quick it's

1536
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 3: been interesting. Lakers fans seem less interested in learning behind

1537
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 3: the scenes of the family. The book's doing fine, it's not,

1538
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 3: but like, it's been interesting to hear Lakers fans not

1539
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 3: interested in learning about I wrote a book on the Sixers.

1540
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 3: Sixers fans want to hear every single thing that's happening

1541
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 3: in front office.

1542
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 2: Right.

1543
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: You wrote thinks process and that wra why things might

1544
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: not go well.

1545
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 2: Laker fans get very defensive, which is it's interesting sociologically.

1546
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: Well, I think if you're a Laker fan, frankly, you

1547
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: always know that it always works out.

1548
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 2: That's what I think. That's what it is.

1549
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, you're like, wow, they picked they

1550
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: picked eight and got Kobe Bryant. You're like, I mean,

1551
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. You're like, oh r, what does

1552
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: Jerry West know about this? Like the minute they drafted

1553
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: the guy, You're like, oh, Jerry West must know something

1554
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: that none of us know yet. Joe Bryant's kid must

1555
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: be that good, you know, of course, right, and he

1556
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: gets them eight?

1557
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 2: Right? Seven? What is it?

1558
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: Seven teams passed up on Kobe.

1559
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 2: It's wild, it's and then that's gonna Yeah, it's it's wild.

1560
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 2: It's wild. Yeah, So yeah, I think I think you're right.

1561
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: Always works out for the Lakers. They always get shocked,

1562
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: they even if they don't get the guy the first time, right, yep, exactly, No,

1563
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: not like we're the looved Knicks who never get that guy. No,

1564
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: and yet Knicks fans always think they're going.

1565
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 2: To get that guy coming.

1566
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 1: Lebron is coming.

1567
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 3: They never come for sure for sure, And like Lakers

1568
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 3: even Luca fell into the lap last year.

1569
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 2: Now they're set for ten years, you know.

1570
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: So all right, why haven't you done the why can't

1571
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: the Knicks win book?

1572
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 2: I've been told that, Uh, people like positive books, That's

1573
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 2: what I've been told. That's uh, that's interesting.

1574
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: We're right, you got to get people hope.

1575
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 2: Right, So the right you know, Jim Dolan is the

1576
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 2: kind of a buffoon is not.

1577
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:44,919
Speaker 1: Gonna the Knicks though, or it is amazing the amount

1578
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: of devotion they have for a franchise that really is

1579
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: one of the most failing franchises in the history of

1580
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: the NBA.

1581
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 2: It's wild, it's kind of it.

1582
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 3: It's like special about it, you know, it's it's it's

1583
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 3: it's yeah, it's like a it's they they hate the ownership,

1584
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 3: they love the team, but they know there's a fatalism

1585
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 3: to it. Is a mix of fatalism and hope, which

1586
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 3: is really strange.

1587
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild.

1588
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:09,759
Speaker 1: No, I mean it's funny.

1589
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 2: You know.

1590
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: It's always supposedly, you know, Knicks fans are also Yankees

1591
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: fans and Giants fans supposedly, while the Nets fans are

1592
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: more likely to be Jets fans and Mets fans. And

1593
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: to me, the Knick's history feels more like the Jets

1594
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: and Mets than.

1595
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 2: One hun hundred percent. It lines up with that for

1596
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 2: one hundred percent.

1597
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: Anyway, Well, this was great. You think Lebron would ever

1598
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: run for office?

1599
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 2: Oh? Great question. I've not been asked that. Uh No,

1600
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I'm gonna say no, that's interesting. No,

1601
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 2: I don't think So do you think he wants to

1602
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 2: be a.

1603
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: Kingmaker literally in the world of politics? Does he do?

1604
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: Because that's what Arnold would do for a while until

1605
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 1: he finally got dragged in that. You know, Arnold is

1606
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: an interesting model for how you can be a celebrity

1607
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: dabble in politics and then maybe do it for a

1608
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: small period of time but still keep your celebrity. I

1609
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:05,560
Speaker 1: Arnold's been the best at that compared to celebrities turned politicians.

1610
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,879
Speaker 3: I think we're going to see Lebron I think almost.

1611
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 3: I think Magic Johnson is almost the closer. The come

1612
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 3: more of the comp in terms of the business, the

1613
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 3: business stuff, and we're seeing.

1614
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:17,799
Speaker 2: A little of the media and pot. I mean, he's

1615
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,839
Speaker 2: only DraftKings ads now, which I don't really understand.

1616
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: But I don't either, But can I just tell you, man,

1617
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 1: the Kevin Hart Lebron ads are really good. I mean

1618
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: they humanize Lebron in a way that nobody else does, which.

1619
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 3: Might be the point, right, but just I think it

1620
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 3: seems like to me, even that weird Hennis, which we

1621
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 3: need to the Hennessy ad or the fake Decision thing,

1622
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 3: which was not great, it seems to me we're we're

1623
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 3: reinvesting in uh in brands and you know, business side

1624
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 3: of things in an interesting way.

1625
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 2: So that's what I would guess we're headed. In terms

1626
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:49,879
Speaker 2: of the post playing career.

1627
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: Does Lebron write his own book hm I or does

1628
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: he instead do a big documentary.

1629
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 3: I was going to say this is again it depresses me,

1630
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 3: but this is where we are these days. I mean,

1631
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 3: he's got cameras following him around already. They'll do they

1632
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 3: already have that, like they'll do their version of the

1633
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 3: Last Dance again. We'll compare it to Jordan. It's gonna

1634
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 3: be a documentary.

1635
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 2: Uh yeah.

1636
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 3: I hope we get a book like again the guy

1637
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 3: the writer reader and me wants but you know again

1638
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five.

1639
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:20,679
Speaker 1: So yeah, But then there's some things. You know, sometimes

1640
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 1: you don't want a book written until after the person dies.

1641
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 1: And I hate to put it those ways, but it's,

1642
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: you know, will people around them tell you the real

1643
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: truth while the person is stolen.

1644
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 3: Oh for sure from another. In terms of someone doing

1645
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 3: the biography on him, correct, yeah. In terms of him

1646
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 3: doing his own one, yeah no, I I he doesn't

1647
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 3: participate in any long form interviews now, like they don't

1648
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 3: do it basically for the most part, because it's why would.

1649
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 2: You do that?

1650
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: Well, I don't call him a white whale, but I've

1651
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: probably I've you know, gotten close to striking up a

1652
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: Relationshipip Maverick a number of times in order to try

1653
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 1: to get Lebron and it's it's it's it's even in

1654
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 1: the you know, and he's certainly at some point suddenly

1655
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: didn't want to be interviewed by a political journalist, right

1656
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: like that just that was not the image they wanted.

1657
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, like I said, they have, I think we'll

1658
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 3: see Netflix documentaries and things like that.

1659
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was great. I appreciate it. Congrats, you're on.

1660
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: This was This was terrific and uh, I can't wait

1661
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: to finish it.

1662
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It's a lot of fun. I

1663
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 2: love this. It's great.

1664
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: Thank you, Chuck excellent. Well, good luck with it. And

1665
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 1: if nothing else, we're in November. You don't know what

1666
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:27,600
Speaker 1: to get your NBA fan in your life? There you

1667
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 1: go get them the book and get them a hard

1668
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: copy of it. Anyway, did you do your own audio

1669
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: this time?

1670
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 2: I did not. I did my last one and not

1671
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 2: to sound spoil it was the.

1672
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: It's the whole I found doing your own audio and

1673
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: a book is painful. It's so hard. I think it's

1674
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 1: really hard.

1675
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 3: It's and then I'm catching typos and it's making me

1676
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 3: angry because you're reading that.

1677
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 2: That's what I hated about it.

1678
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: It's a terrific exercise. It really frees. But you sit

1679
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 1: there and you're going, oh my god, how many times

1680
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: did I use this phrase? Oh my god, we got

1681
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: to fix it, and then they tell you it's too

1682
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 1: late to fix.

1683
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 2: Really torture, right.

1684
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 3: It'd be great if, though, you know, if you weren't where,

1685
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 3: if writers weren't all the statement going up against the deadline,

1686
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,440
Speaker 3: if you gave yourself like, okay, i'll do the audiobook.

1687
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 3: I'll read it outloud now because I have a two

1688
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 3: weeks extra until and that's obviously never the case. So

1689
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 3: it's aside from the actual torture of reading it over

1690
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 3: and over, like it's your torturing yourself, seeing mistakes and

1691
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 3: bad phrases and just you walk out there and be like,

1692
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 3: oh this is awful.

1693
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 2: What is this? So yeah, no, not this time.

1694
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 1: Well, I hope you enjoyed. My guess is you're going

1695
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: to hear people use nuggets of your book like during

1696
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: Lakers games by guys like Mike Breen and Tarrico who

1697
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: probably are all devouring it as we speak. So that'll

1698
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:36,640
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun for you.

1699
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 2: I hope, so, I hope.

1700
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 3: So.

1701
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 2: Thanks Jock, my friend, it's.

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