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Speaker 1: What are we even do?

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Speaker 2: What are we even doing? Hey's Kyle McLaughlin and welcome

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Speaker 2: to the show What are We Even Doing? Where I

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Speaker 2: talk with fantastic artists, creators of all type about what

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Speaker 2: they're up to, what they're doing, what's happening on the internet,

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Speaker 2: how they're using social et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: And today we have like really a special guest. So excited,

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Speaker 2: Willa Bennett is here. She's an author, she's a journalist.

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Speaker 2: She's the editor in chief of Cosmo in seventeen. I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to say the youngest editor ever because you've

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Speaker 2: probably heard that ad nauseum, but anyway, truly capable and

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Speaker 2: so nice to have her on the show. So bless you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm so so, so so so happy to

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Speaker 1: be here.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad to hear that I put on the

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Speaker 2: suit that I wore and I went when I went

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Speaker 2: to the show at the ballin Jiagas show in Paris,

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Speaker 2: I decided we would I would honor you with prate,

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Speaker 2: like you know, imitation is this sear serious form of flattery.

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Speaker 2: Show and then I have my Scottish, my Tartani and

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Speaker 2: you're wearing a tie that I brought as an alternative, yeah,

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Speaker 2: which is an old jump All Gautier tie that I love.

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Speaker 1: I'm so honored to wear.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a kind of a lace satin kind

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Speaker 1: Beautiful. I wish you could all touch it.

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Speaker 2: It's really interesting, right.

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. Yeah, thank you for letting me

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Speaker 3: borrow this. I'm so honored.

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Speaker 1: The demnist Bunziaga looks really good on you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: They it was made for you.

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Speaker 2: He is such a special person. Yeah, you know, as

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Speaker 2: I've gotten to know him and appreciate what he's done,

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Speaker 2: and he's now moving to Gucci and I'm excited to

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Speaker 2: see what he's going to do there as well.

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Speaker 3: So Yeah, I think his like admiration of the past

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Speaker 3: while so pushing forward is like so special and something

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Speaker 3: I think a lot about at Cosmo, just you know,

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Speaker 3: taking this like heritage legacy brand that so many people

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Speaker 3: not losing that special connection. I think I really admire

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Speaker 3: how he did that at buns Yogen, and I think

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Speaker 3: at Gucci, my guess is we'll see a lot of

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Speaker 3: that too. We'll see a lot of archival, We'll see

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Speaker 3: a lot of going back to the roots. But I

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Speaker 3: think we'll see those like slight demnahisms, like we'll see

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Speaker 3: we'll see some like well, Kymical can be.

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Speaker 2: Walking down home and I would be honored. I would

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Speaker 2: be honored. His creativity is really unbelievable. Do you have

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Speaker 2: a specific core memory about where you are now? Like

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Speaker 2: what started you? You know, what was it that was like?

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Speaker 2: And you've talked a little bit about the writing and

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Speaker 2: the integration of the ballet and everything, but was there

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Speaker 3: I had this English teacher in high school, Nathan, and

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Speaker 3: I remember being in English class writing a story about dance.

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Speaker 3: We had read a bunch of books, and I remember

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Speaker 3: he called me after class and was like, I know

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Speaker 3: And I was like really, And I think my first

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Speaker 3: write him a note that's like if there are grammatical errors,

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Speaker 3: there's no way there's a grammatical But that was like

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Speaker 3: really like him pulling me aside and like saying that

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Speaker 3: I think again, like I think I was literally seventeen,

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Speaker 3: like I was so impressionable, but also I really didn't

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Speaker 3: think of myself as a writer in high school. I

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Speaker 3: really wasn't that person. I was like, I'm a dancer.

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Speaker 3: But I loved English class and it came really easily.

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Speaker 3: And I used to always say, like, good writing when

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Speaker 3: And he was the first one to use that word, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: Without question. You remember which grade it was when it

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Speaker 3: Like literally seventeen, which is crazy, but that was huge

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Speaker 3: It's like I'm a writer, I'm a dancer, but like

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Speaker 2: New thing was huge, Especially someone you admire. The validation

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Speaker 1: I love him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean, that's that's it. That is big.

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Speaker 2: I have a similar thing when I was in was

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Speaker 2: a little bit younger in eighth grade. It wasn't abu

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Speaker 2: becoming a writer, but I was such a Dune fan.

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Speaker 2: My English teacher, Mary Craigo missus Creigo, she would let

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Speaker 2: to see. Because I was so so much about that book.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: It started me on the path that ultimately led to

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Speaker 2: me being cast in them. That's amazing, which is so

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Speaker 2: weird to me. Deb You told her, she knows, she knows,

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Speaker 2: Probably she wrote I had to write in my paperback book. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: she wrote, get my name down in the paperback book

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Speaker 1: So that's such a special story. I think. Good again,

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Speaker 1: you're just so impression about that age, like, and.

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Speaker 2: I think you recognize a passion. Yeah, right, because a

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Speaker 2: they're teaching something. But someone to take an interest in you, like,

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Speaker 2: they take an interest in you obviously and felt strongly

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Speaker 2: enough to say you need to go this direction. Totally,

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Speaker 2: you're becoming a person, right, and you're treating you like

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Speaker 2: The whole world of publishing, editing, et cetera. Is so

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Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 2: obviously interested in writing, but did you like say, ultimately,

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Speaker 2: this is my goal is to run a magazine was

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Speaker 3: Or I have always loved magazines. I think I always

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Speaker 3: And in college and I started really diving into journalism,

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Speaker 1: I kind of worked my way up.

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Speaker 3: I started at GQ and then we shot you at

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Speaker 3: my my last position at Haisnabidi, which is one of

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Speaker 1: I'm not even just telling you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I had such a fun time.

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Speaker 2: It was Blaze is Hot in Los Angeles, and remember

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Speaker 1: I was really I love those photos.

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Speaker 3: You were vacuuming you, the clothes were amazing. We had

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Speaker 3: I feel like we really got some good looks. And

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Speaker 3: I remember this so vividly. We're looking through the photos

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Speaker 3: and someone on the social team actually was like, Kyle

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Speaker 3: And I was like, I think he is based on

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Speaker 3: his social media. Thank you, And you really got it.

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Speaker 2: come in Cosmo's been around for a while, wasn't Helen

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Speaker 1: So sixty years ago was her first, was her debut.

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Speaker 3: Cosmo existed before her, but she was the one that

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Speaker 3: really focused it around love and relationships, which is something.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, even growing up, like I remember

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Speaker 3: your desk with Mark Kley on the cover, WHI this

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Speaker 3: We really went back into like what made Cosmo right

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Speaker 3: so special sixty years ago. We talk a lot about

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Speaker 3: we have Chase you Wonders on here, who I'm sure

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Speaker 3: Markak Kleley's mom was on the cover. Actually just special Andy.

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Speaker 3: There's just so many small Easter eggs. We actually have

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Speaker 1: So I saw that Cosmo heads will get it.

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Speaker 2: I love that you that you care and even you

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Speaker 2: see the anniversary issues right there, just kind of written

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Speaker 2: the top there. Yeah, I'm getting to understand you a

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Speaker 2: little bit. You like to plant things, but don't make

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Speaker 3: My first cover at High Snob was Billie Eilish and

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Speaker 2: Saw the but Charlie as well. I love everything about it.

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Speaker 2: I love her journey. I love the musicianship. I love

440
00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,680
Speaker 2: the tones, the choices of instruments, the intrumutation, how she phrases.

441
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,840
Speaker 2: I love everything about that it's interesting to me. It

442
00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,720
Speaker 2: catches me as as much as her lyrics.

443
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Speaker 3: Catch me interesting. Okay, here's what I think is so

444
00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,160
Speaker 3: interesting about pop music. It's always about like a very

445
00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,320
Speaker 3: specific idea that you cannot necessarily explain in words, but

446
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,240
Speaker 3: it's very clear, non confusing, and you relate to it,

447
00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,960
Speaker 3: and I feel like that's a good magazine article where

448
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,600
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, it's an idea. Like for Maria Klelely,

449
00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,080
Speaker 3: it was like or I walked into the interview, you know,

450
00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,639
Speaker 3: I went to New Jersey. She was there with Jack.

451
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,600
Speaker 3: It was one of her few days off. She's filming

452
00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,960
Speaker 3: three movies right now, super busy. Her mom's been on

453
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,119
Speaker 3: the cover of Cosmo. And the idea was like, what

454
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Speaker 3: does it mean for Maria Kuleley to be on the

455
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Speaker 3: cover of Cosmo.

456
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Speaker 1: After sixty years?

457
00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:31,720
Speaker 2: Right?

458
00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,960
Speaker 3: That was the concept. Right I got there, you know,

459
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,120
Speaker 3: we went through her house, I went on the beach,

460
00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 3: you know. We talked a lot about her different roles

461
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,760
Speaker 3: and how she has played these complex women and what

462
00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,320
Speaker 3: that means for her and how she sees her own womanhood.

463
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,040
Speaker 3: Talked a lot about sexuality, you know, the substance was

464
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Speaker 3: like its own thing, because I mean, talk about a

465
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:52,320
Speaker 3: complicated film.

466
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Speaker 1: Have you seen it?

467
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,280
Speaker 3: It's she crawls out of Demimore's spine to be like

468
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Speaker 3: the under.

469
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Speaker 1: Honestly completely understand. And when I was prepping.

470
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Speaker 3: For this interview, I truly did, like watch all of

471
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Speaker 3: her movies back to back. I'd seen The Substance before,

472
00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,120
Speaker 3: but you know, I hadn't seen made and was upon

473
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 3: a time in Hollywood. I watched it back to back

474
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,639
Speaker 3: to get the full experience, and like it was pretty intense.

475
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 3: Like after I was like, wow, Like, these are so

476
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 3: many different types of challenges that women face depicted so clearly,

477
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 3: and so I think I was like in that headspace

478
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 3: when I went into the interview, and what I came

479
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,879
Speaker 3: out with was, you know, we both had similarities, me

480
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 3: writing about Cosmo, her writing about her career, and we also,

481
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 3: you know, had similarities in how we thought about womanhood

482
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Speaker 3: and relationships. And I think what was so special is

483
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 3: she really like she had read Cosmo, so she totally

484
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 3: understood the weight of Cosmo and the platform and why

485
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,919
Speaker 3: young people need a platform like Cosmo. Like she completely

486
00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 3: got that and ran wild with it, which I was

487
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 3: so grateful for. And it's so special when a celebrity,

488
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 3: especially of you know her caliber, you know, is down

489
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Speaker 3: to talk about like why young people need sex education,

490
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 3: Like she was all for it and like really understood it.

491
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 3: And again her sister in her Red Cosmo, she was like,

492
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 3: we need this, like young people need magazines, especially ones

493
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Speaker 3: that talk about sex.

494
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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm kind of thinking about what you're saying,

495
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,120
Speaker 2: and I completely agree. I completely agree because I think

496
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 2: I see with my son, you know, they have access

497
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,400
Speaker 2: to so much stuff online, but to have someone curate

498
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 2: something who's talking about a specific thing really clearly and

499
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 2: they can state it and say, this is kind of

500
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 2: where the reality is. This is what's really happening with

501
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,959
Speaker 2: people with couples, with sex, with the situation growing up.

502
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 2: What this all means, have this kind of conversation. Don't

503
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Speaker 2: be watching video of whatever, you know what I mean

504
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 2: and basing your education or your learning on something like that.

505
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 2: I think it's it's healthier.

506
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think there's a responsibility. I think.

507
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 3: Look like we do talk to therapists, we do talk

508
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 3: to psychiatrists, we do talk to sex relationship therapists, couples therapists, Like,

509
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 3: we really do into it. And I think as much

510
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 3: weight as a Marcquali story has, we also have a

511
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 3: story that really shows how different couple split costs and like,

512
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 3: you know, when is the right time to talk about

513
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 3: money in a relationship? And you know, we have a

514
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 3: conversation a beautiful essay by Ashley Ford who she writes

515
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 3: about how you know she's seven years into her marriage

516
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 3: and she's like falling more in love and like the

517
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 3: dynamics that come into play, and like, I think all

518
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 3: of us are important. I think again, if there's so

519
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 3: much information, there's actually no information. Yeah, and especially when

520
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 3: it comes to your relationship. I mean it's too personal.

521
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 3: You can't trust just anyone. You can't trust the algorithms

522
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 3: for that. And so I feel like if Cosmo can

523
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 3: be that place that it was for me growing up

524
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 3: where it made me feel like there was something bigger

525
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 3: and it was going to be okay and reassured and

526
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 3: who I was then like we're doing our job.

527
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Speaker 2: Yeah, A great, you have a love of that from before.

528
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 2: Oh my god, a court bringing that love into what

529
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 2: you're doing right now, it's really Yeah.

530
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Speaker 3: I really believe in the mission, and I love, love,

531
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 3: love Cosmo, and I think there's We're really only getting started,

532
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 3: Like truly, this is my third issue.

533
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, we have so much more to say.

534
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: You put on a different brain for seventeen for Cosmo

535
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 2: or is it?

536
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: I always asked that.

537
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 2: No, No, it was just that it's kind of interesting.

538
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: Is it a grown up? I'm sure there's someone ask

539
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:11,959
Speaker 2: you that too.

540
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, seventeen is definitely younger.

541
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Speaker 3: There's definitely like like a lot of fandoms I learned

542
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 3: about all the time. Like I Rosie, who runs our

543
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: social like she teaches me so much. I'm like, who's

544
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 3: this And she's like, well, actually in the summer, I

545
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 3: turn pretty your team Conrad because I'm like, what.

546
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, are you team Conrad. I'm this now I'm

547
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 2: learning as you're talking. I think I need to start

548
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 2: reading seventeen because I can see that as a feeder

549
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 2: because that, yeah, it's like kind of that's the beginning

550
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 2: the the that's the the tadpole stage of ye slang

551
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: of who's what's happening, what's in the what's happening in

552
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 2: the media right now? And then that and then that

553
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 2: filters out a little bit, but it starts, it starts young.

554
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the teen landscape is really important, and

555
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,959
Speaker 3: I like take that responsibility really seriously. It's me an

556
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 3: intern there and every single morning going to my internship,

557
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 3: I'd be like, Wow, this is the best day of

558
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 3: my life. I want to work here forever. I'm never

559
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 3: going to work anywhere else. So it's cute because I

560
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,239
Speaker 3: still go to the same building. Sorry, remember being an

561
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 3: intern and being like just so obsessed with seventeen. But

562
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 3: a lot of it, like really hasn't changed. It's still

563
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: about fandoms. It's still about like, you know, stars that

564
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 3: mean a lot to gen Z. The tagline is it

565
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 3: starts at seventeen, and we really talk about what it's

566
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Speaker 3: like to be seventeen. And our first cover, My first

567
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 3: cover was Ziowade, who's so special and it was right

568
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 3: for her eighteenth birthday. Then we had Clara, who'd be

569
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Speaker 3: a great guest for you.

570
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 2: Okay, I feel like it's seventeen and again i'd refer

571
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Speaker 2: to my son sixteen. Seventeen is when the focus everything

572
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 2: is which has been directed inwards and me and me

573
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 2: and me and me, and suddenly it's like wait a minute,

574
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Speaker 2: and they start looking outwards.

575
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

576
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: For I know, examples of mentors, people who inspire them,

577
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: and I think so and they look to someone and

578
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 2: connect with someone, and I think it's right at that

579
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: moment in the growing up that that happens.

580
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Speaker 1: Totally.

581
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Speaker 3: I think you're so impressionable like media at that time.

582
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 3: I mean, there's nothing more influential. It's like your friends

583
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 3: and what you see on your phone, and so to

584
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 3: have that intimate connection with a seventeen year old is

585
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 3: just so special. I really think media is so so

586
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 3: so important, and especially now. I mean it really like

587
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 3: can change public perception in such a specific way and

588
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: make people feel like okay again, yeah yeah, yeah, So

589
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 3: it's cool.

590
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 2: You take it seriously. It's a response. I feel the responsibility,

591
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 2: like you know, you've got an obligation in a way.

592
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: Totally.

593
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 2: We're gonna have this new segment called News or Nonsense.

594
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: I cannot wait for the segment. All right, so we're back.

595
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 2: Here's what we're gonna do. You have years of creating

596
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: experience and creating these iconic covers. Right, I'm making headlines

597
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: some publications. So we thought it'd be fun to play

598
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 2: a little game where you have to guess if the

599
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: headline is real headline or can't lay made up. Okay,

600
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: So that says me, this is my press pass. This

601
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: is your press pass.

602
00:25:59,400 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 3: Wow.

603
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: Okay, what if I want to be Kyle?

604
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 2: Oh you can be me here? You want to be okay?

605
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: Very good, I'll be okay perfect. Then we also have

606
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: how are you with hat? So are you okay?

607
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 3: Oh?

608
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: This is the best day of my life?

609
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 2: Okay? Which choose a color? Okay?

610
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: The dark one? Okay, honestly kind of goes with your tie.

611
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: Oh it looks good.

612
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you look amazing. You are a fashion icon.

613
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 3: You get that a lot.

614
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: You like know that this is.

615
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 2: A crazy thing because my day to day it's T

616
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 2: shirts and jeans.

617
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: No, but like in my head, you're always in a

618
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: bluntiaga suit. I don't know what that says. Don't worry

619
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: about it, don't overthink.

620
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: I kind of love that. Okay, perfect, This is good.

621
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Speaker 1: I actually can't focus. You look perfect? Okay, hit me?

622
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: I love it. Okay, here we go. First headline, you

623
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Speaker 2: are fake robot vacuums, form union demand weekends off.

624
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: Real not real? Whoa really like? That's wired? Should I

625
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: guess the magazine publishing?

626
00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 4: Yeah?

627
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's good to know. Maybe they should publish it. Okay,

628
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: well I read okay, ready, authority say a babysitter checked

629
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: under the bed from monsters and found someone fake. This

630
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: one's real. Well, I don't even know the publication. What

631
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: publication was this from?

632
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: Do we remember MPR?

633
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 4: Oh?

634
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not like an NPR.

635
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, that checks out the NBA.

636
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 3: Is that an online Okay, just to argue, that sounds

637
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 3: like a podcast episode?

638
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: Okay, we go. More than thirty four cats cause divorce?

639
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: False? This one's real to wow, thirty.

640
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: Thirty five cats would be well that's more. Yeah, thirty

641
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: three cats, you'd be okay, But you'd you have more

642
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: than thirty four cats? It would cause its interesting?

643
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: I love that to be fair.

644
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: That one's from the fifties. Okay, from the fifties. Well,

645
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: there you go. That makes sense. Then man wins custody

646
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: battle over pet Rock after six year legal dispute.

647
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: Man wins custody battle over pet Rock.

648
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: Six year legal dispute.

649
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: You so crazy, I think false?

650
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: You got it right?

651
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: Okay, thank god I got one that was scary there

652
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: for amanent.

653
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 2: You're standing at twenty five percent. That's okay, here we go. Okay,

654
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 2: Farmer teaches cows to use Japanese toilets. Now they refuse

655
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 2: to go anywhere without a bidet.

656
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: I think false, but yes, very good. Here's the only

657
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Speaker 1: things I was like that could be like one of

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Speaker 1: your tricks. Oh, you know, like it sounds so fake

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Speaker 1: that it's actually true.

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Speaker 3: But no, it's definitely false. That actually makes no logical sense.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes on Instagram, don't you get caught on animals that

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Speaker 2: actually use a toilet. Yeah, that's like very confusing to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like what publications publishing that?

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Speaker 2: You know? Yeah, Texas woman marries ex boyfriend without his knowledge.

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Speaker 1: Okay, she sounds iconic. Yes, that would be illegal, so

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Speaker 1: it has to be false.

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Speaker 2: It's true.

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Speaker 1: What she's iconic? I need to talk to her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta have her.

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Speaker 1: In a magazine. That's a Cosmo article. Is that's a

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Speaker 1: Cosmo article?

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Speaker 2: Totally a baller? Okay, very good? All right? Last one

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Speaker 2: man arrested in UK cheese heist where imposter stole three

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty nine thousand dollars worth of cheddar. Must

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Speaker 2: be very good Cheddar. I happen to love English cheddar real?

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Speaker 1: Yes, wow, that was guess.

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Speaker 2: It started sort of slow, and then you came on

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Speaker 2: very very strong.

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Speaker 1: Really yeah, I was watching your body language. Didn't give

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Speaker 1: me anything, literally gave me nothing. I was trying to

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Speaker 1: help to style. That was a wild game. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much.

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Speaker 2: Thank that was so playing. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: being here. This was really really fun. This is so

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Speaker 2: any quick updates? What's next? I mean, obviously the magazine,

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Speaker 2: you got new things coming out all the time. You

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Speaker 2: said there was an interview in s Soeul you're early

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Speaker 2: excited about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a lot. I blind date season two

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Speaker 1: coming out in October.

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Speaker 2: Great, you can't and you can't say we don't know

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Speaker 2: who it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: We've we've done half of the episodes and I can

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Speaker 3: tell you off.

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Speaker 1: The record it's amazing. I can't wait to buy off

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Speaker 1: the record.

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Speaker 2: I mean, on the record, you've got to This is

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Speaker 2: really fun. You're so brave to go in you.

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Speaker 1: I kind of agree, it's like really brave. And when

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Speaker 1: people don't know. It's like in the middle of my workday.

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Speaker 3: So I'm like drinking a martini and like talking to

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Speaker 3: Renee Rap at like twelve, and then I'm like in

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Speaker 3: the boardroom at one and.

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Speaker 2: You're like, how do you do it?

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Speaker 1: Called being a modern NYE?

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Speaker 2: I see, yes, yes, you can do anything. I did

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Speaker 2: love that one. By the way, she's fantastic. She's hilarious,

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Speaker 2: very authentic, very real, very like this is it.

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Speaker 3: This is who I am, totally and she was just

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Speaker 3: like like over and over again, like iconic quotes, looking

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Speaker 3: to the camera being like dump him, Like yeah, it

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Speaker 3: was really is.

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Speaker 1: She's so confident, in which I love.

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Speaker 3: Super confident, and I think it's it's good for this

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Speaker 3: generation to see someone just like own who they are.

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Speaker 2: Own is a perfect word for it. I think back

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Speaker 2: on my generation, it's like you had to beat there

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Speaker 2: was a lot more. You're sort of hesitant about how

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Speaker 2: you wanted to present yourself. You sort of had certain

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Speaker 2: there was editing going on, constant editing. And I feel

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Speaker 2: today it's like no editing. It's just here, I am

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Speaker 2: take it or leave it.

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Speaker 1: That's a great lesson here, I am take it lead,

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Speaker 1: take it.

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Speaker 2: Or leave it. Yeah, and I think it's fantastic. All right,

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Speaker 2: So now we're going to close out. That's all we

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Speaker 2: have time for today. I could go on for a

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Speaker 2: long more time, but thanks for joining us, helping us

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Speaker 2: solve what are We Even doing here? Which I don't

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Speaker 2: know if we did solve it, but we had a

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Speaker 2: really good time in the process. We will keep trying.

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Speaker 1: Yay, Thank you guys so much.

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Speaker 4: What Are We Even Doing is a production of iHeartMedia

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Speaker 4: and the Elvis Duran podcast Network, hosted by me Kyle

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Speaker 4: McLachlin and created and produced by Full Picture Productions Yay

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Speaker 4: featuring music by Yata and artwork by Danica Robinson. For

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Speaker 4: more information about the podcast, please visit our Instagram and

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Speaker 4: or anywhere you get your podcasts.

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