Speaker 1: They around the NFL podcast Won't drink the Zach Wilson Colley.
Speaker 2: There is they're serving that somewhere from the Chris Westling
Speaker 2: podcast studio. It's around the NFL Week eleven Draft preview.
Speaker 3: I'm Dan Hansis. I got Greg Rosenthal here.
Speaker 2: And little station note because I know we and everybody
Speaker 2: loves Mark Sessler. And Mark has been dealing with a
Speaker 2: reoccurrence of a medical condition he's dealt with. People that
Speaker 2: listen to the show know he's had some issues with
Speaker 2: blood clots and that popped up again this past weekend
Speaker 2: and we are now waiting for Mark to rejoin us,
Speaker 2: but we don't want to rush him back Gregy, So
Speaker 2: we're hoping and we get him back this weekend, but
Speaker 2: basically telling him to take it easy and get one
Speaker 2: hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Yes, we love Mark, we want the best of Mark,
Speaker 4: and this is this is the middle of the season.
Speaker 4: We can handle it and make sure that the show
Speaker 4: is the'll afloat for when he gets back and just
Speaker 4: has a monster playoff run.
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm leaving as well. So we're just
Speaker 2: going to leave it to Greg. His dream is about
Speaker 2: to come true. No, really, we need reinforcements, though, so welcome.
Speaker 2: We welcoming in from Cleveland. Easy for me to say
Speaker 2: where he just got in a morning pump did the
Speaker 2: thing like filled up the pint glass with egg yolks.
Speaker 3: Do I even have to say his name? You know
Speaker 3: who it is.
Speaker 2: Nick, Chuck Pinch hitting Francisco lindoor bases loaded two outs
Speaker 2: of the ninth.
Speaker 5: That was a classic playoff game back in the day.
Speaker 5: You know, I've never had the egg yolks before like that.
Speaker 5: I'd imagine they would be pretty gross. But I do
Speaker 5: enjoy some eggs in the morning, and that was part
Speaker 5: of today's today's diet for sure.
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me, guys.
Speaker 2: Hey, Nick, we appreciate you kind of hit up Nick
Speaker 2: on short notice last night.
Speaker 3: And as he always has been, just always there for us.
Speaker 4: Yes, good man, except for when he left us to
Speaker 4: go back to work for the Browns.
Speaker 3: Briefly, do you remember that? Yeah, that was weird. He
Speaker 3: made the right choice, come to the homeland. He's back, baby,
Speaker 3: all right, Shook.
Speaker 2: This is your first draft with us, so you're going
Speaker 2: to essentially be picking in Mark slot, which is second overall,
Speaker 2: and we got a big slate of games kind of
Speaker 2: a weird slate, GREGI, because you have two monster primetime
Speaker 2: games that we hit on the Wednesday Show with Connie Fox.
Speaker 3: Make sure you check that out.
Speaker 2: Eagles Chiefs on Monday Night Football Tonight is Bengals Ravens
Speaker 2: and I'll be on the recap of that later. So
Speaker 2: those are two big games with winning teams. Now you
Speaker 2: look at the Sunday schedule, we're about to break down
Speaker 2: and Greg I count a single game with two teams
Speaker 2: with a winning record playing. So we have a lot
Speaker 2: of hals v have notts. But you could spin it
Speaker 2: this way. How about this that the have nots here
Speaker 2: and many of them are in getting into desperate straits
Speaker 2: as we approach December and kind of can't keep falling behind.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of urgency in both.
Speaker 4: It's a lot of we're at the point of the
Speaker 4: season where you get that like six loss, like for instance,
Speaker 4: your Jets four and five. We're a lot of fans,
Speaker 4: some of them overwrought, some of them right on feeling
Speaker 4: like the season's over. It's like once you get to
Speaker 4: about six or seven, and I always push back saying, no,
Speaker 4: you got a chance to make a run.
Speaker 7: But it's getting there. It's getting there put you in
Speaker 7: the danger zone. So I will pick first. I have
Speaker 7: the first overall pick. Oh, one more bit of housekeeping.
Speaker 7: A lot of our locks and Shook, you don't have
Speaker 7: to worry about a lock today, but a lot of
Speaker 7: our locks actually came out of those primetime games. I
Speaker 7: took the Bengals the Cincinnati Zook.
Speaker 3: The took the Eagles against the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: Cestog also in that game, but it's a lockoff because
Speaker 2: he's taken the Chiefs. And I got a note from
Speaker 2: Nick Westling who said, Greg, if you were a real man,
Speaker 2: you will go a lockoff against Nick Shook and take
Speaker 2: the Chiefs as well.
Speaker 3: I will do even better than that. Nick.
Speaker 4: I am gonna do a lockoff, but I'm gonna do
Speaker 4: a lockoff against your team, the Cincinnati Bank.
Speaker 3: I have a lockoff with Dan Hands about that Thursday night.
Speaker 3: How about that?
Speaker 4: This is what happens when you don't look at the
Speaker 4: full slate before the Wednesday show. I woke up this morning,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't really like it.
Speaker 3: I lock it up.
Speaker 2: It's a lockoff, and really that sets up a double
Speaker 2: lockoff that's never happened before.
Speaker 3: I'm so buried in the standings.
Speaker 2: My only chance is to win things like lockoff, so
Speaker 2: the urgency. Listen, it's me and Joe Burrow versus the world.
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. Tonight we'll see what happens. All right,
Speaker 2: Let's get to the first overall pick presented by DraftKings.
Speaker 2: And like I said, if there was a home run,
Speaker 2: slam dunk game for me to take, I would be
Speaker 2: all over because I have the first overall pick. And
Speaker 2: you could say, oh, Steelers Brown's that's there. It is,
Speaker 2: that's the only but I don't know the fourteenth string
Speaker 2: quarterback of the Browns.
Speaker 3: I just can't do it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't excite me as much, and I know it
Speaker 2: might excite some other peoples that do do this podcast more.
Speaker 2: I will go with my team, the New York Jets,
Speaker 2: in desperate straits, heading to Orchard Park to face the Bills.
Speaker 2: And you know, listen, let's start with the Bills. There
Speaker 2: had to be a fall guy. Well, they didn't have
Speaker 2: to be, but in the case of Sean McDermott, he
Speaker 2: decided it was Dorsey's offensive coordinator, who is a part
Speaker 2: of the problem, not the solution. So he sends him
Speaker 2: out the door, and you know, I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 2: Shook set against the backdrop of what's going on with
Speaker 2: the Jets, where the fan base is going nuts clamoring
Speaker 2: for some type of change as they are some of
Speaker 2: their If you look at some data points, the Jets
Speaker 2: are a historically bad offense. It's been it's been games
Speaker 2: now without a touchdown. Zach Wilson has five touchdown passes
Speaker 2: all season. They obviously shot themselves in the foot with
Speaker 2: a late turnover that got a beat by the Raiders.
Speaker 3: Shook. So here's the situation.
Speaker 2: Now you have the Jets who should be making changes
Speaker 2: but won't again against a Bills team that maybe surprisingly
Speaker 2: made a big change when they could have stayed the
Speaker 2: course and try to straighten the boat out.
Speaker 3: Both teams desperate for a win here here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what this comes down to you, at least in
Speaker 5: my opinion, is is a change worth a change just
Speaker 5: to make a change, because what's your second option, Tim Boyle, Like,
Speaker 5: is that really going to fix all your problems all
Speaker 5: of a sudden?
Speaker 6: I don't think so.
Speaker 5: Uh, And I have to defend Zach to a degree,
Speaker 5: even though you know, like you said at the top
Speaker 5: of the show, they're selling Zach Wilson kool aid somewhere
Speaker 5: because it's probably taste terrible. But the thing is, every
Speaker 5: once in a while you get a swig where you're
Speaker 5: so parts.
Speaker 6: Anymore, you're so part.
Speaker 3: Why are we doing this?
Speaker 6: Just quenching enough?
Speaker 3: Why are doing this? Shook?
Speaker 2: They can't score and you can't like because he makes
Speaker 2: a no look pass and makes a couple of throws.
Speaker 3: People do drink the kool aid.
Speaker 2: It's coming from Florim Park and people saying, oh, don't
Speaker 2: look at the quarterback.
Speaker 3: It's it's a it's a greater thing.
Speaker 2: And yes it's not just him, but it's it's long
Speaker 2: overdue that they should have made a change by now.
Speaker 2: And that's the frustrating thing because I think it's gonna
Speaker 2: be the Jets defense in this game. Greg which has
Speaker 2: always in the Robert sala era, really done well for
Speaker 2: the most part against the Bills, and I'm just interested
Speaker 2: to see how the Bills offense looks different here and
Speaker 2: if the Jets continue to bring pressure and really getting
Speaker 2: close to must win territory for them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm having flashbacks to Week one when we previewed
Speaker 4: this game and went through all the numbers of how
Speaker 4: poor Josh Allen has been against Robert Sala defenses, like
Speaker 4: he's basically great in every other matchup, and against this
Speaker 4: Jets defense, he's been terrible. And then you think back
Speaker 4: to what actually happened in Week one and how this
Speaker 4: season has played out, and I think the Jets defense
Speaker 4: should have a ton of confidence in keeping this game
Speaker 4: under twenty. And if I'm the Bills, are we confident
Speaker 4: that their defense is gonna show up because this touchdown
Speaker 4: list streak that the Jets are on, it's thirty six
Speaker 4: straight drives.
Speaker 3: These are the defenses.
Speaker 4: You've gone against the Giants, one of the very worst
Speaker 4: defenses in the league statistically, the Chargers one of the
Speaker 4: worst defenses in the league statistically, and then last week
Speaker 4: against the Broncos against the Raiders rather not one of
Speaker 4: the worst defense in the league, but in the bottom ten.
Speaker 4: So they're doing nothing against mediocre defenses. Buffalo, this is
Speaker 4: your chance, even despite your injuries, you should be able
Speaker 4: to go out there, Sean McDermott and kind of win
Speaker 4: the game on that side of the ball, get a
Speaker 4: little more of a pass rush than they've been getting.
Speaker 4: I really think that's been ignored too much in Buffalo
Speaker 4: and it's why they've been so mediocre.
Speaker 3: Here's some data points. Here's some data points to back
Speaker 3: it up.
Speaker 2: The Jets have more turnovers than touchdowns six to five inside.
Speaker 3: The opponent's fifty yard line.
Speaker 2: They are the fourth lowest third down conversion rate in
Speaker 2: the past decade through nine games, twenty five percent, lowest
Speaker 2: third and short third and one or three conversion rate
Speaker 2: ever twenty five percent. Red zone conversion rate of twenty
Speaker 2: three percent would be the lowest since at least two thousand.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is set up well shook for a
Speaker 2: get right game for the Bills, right because they're at home,
Speaker 2: they're mad they made this change. They get maybe some
Speaker 2: type of bounce off that offensive play caller.
Speaker 3: But can we trust the Bills at this point, especially
Speaker 3: at home.
Speaker 2: We've watched so many games when we were in London, Shoke,
Speaker 2: you did it with Claybound that the Sunday night game
Speaker 2: against the Giants.
Speaker 3: You never know what version of this team shows up
Speaker 3: at Orchard Park right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's my biggest issue with them is they don't
Speaker 5: know who they want to be. They lack an identity.
Speaker 5: That explained a lot of why they fired Ken Dorsey,
Speaker 5: and you think it should be a get right game
Speaker 5: at least in your defensive matchup as opposed to what
Speaker 5: you're facing on offense, because that Jets defense is the
Speaker 5: only thing that's kept them in any game, and the
Speaker 5: way the Bills offense, the state of it right now,
Speaker 5: I'm not confident at all, Not to mention the fact
Speaker 5: that they've had Josh Allen's number dating back to last year,
Speaker 5: like that was his worst setups for the most part,
Speaker 5: his worst matchups were against the Jets, who just somehow
Speaker 5: had figured him out caused him make a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 6: Well now those mistakes have bled over into other games.
Speaker 5: In the Monday Night's game against the Broncos, you look
Speaker 5: at where they had an explosive three week stretch that
Speaker 5: was over a month ago. Since then, they've just been
Speaker 5: an average offense. They don't run the ball oh well,
Speaker 5: and even when they do run the ball well, they're
Speaker 5: turning the ball over way too much, like they did
Speaker 5: on Monday Night. I just have no real faith in
Speaker 5: this team outside of Josh Allen, and when he's turning
Speaker 5: the ball over, which leads the league in turnovers, leads
Speaker 5: the league in interceptions, then where do you go? Because
Speaker 5: they go as he goes, and right now he's not
Speaker 5: going very far no matter who the offensive coordinator is.
Speaker 5: And against this defense, I just don't feel very good
Speaker 5: about their chances. Not saying that they're not going to
Speaker 5: win the game, but I think we're in line for
Speaker 5: a very low scoring game, kind of a boring game
Speaker 5: unless you're a fan of defense.
Speaker 3: The over under here is thirty nine and a half.
Speaker 4: That's too high under there in the seven the Bills
Speaker 4: are seven point favorites.
Speaker 3: This is not lockable. I would not have wanted to anyways.
Speaker 4: I thought it was crazy when they were seven and
Speaker 4: a half point favorites going into Monday Night, the way
Speaker 4: that they were coming into that game.
Speaker 3: They didn't even win the game. Straight up.
Speaker 4: I think that's a lot of disrespect for the Jets
Speaker 4: based on this matchup. But man, whoever loses here gets
Speaker 4: a sixth loss, and it does start to feel a
Speaker 4: little late for either He's not quite done but getting
Speaker 4: close for whoever loses.
Speaker 3: We got to move on.
Speaker 2: But I'll I just want to ask one question you, Greg,
Speaker 2: because I'm thinking again, I thought the Dorsey firing was curious,
Speaker 2: like what do you think is going to be how
Speaker 2: you think the offense might change? Like, what what are
Speaker 2: things that that that haven't looked right other than just
Speaker 2: the sloppy play and turnovers? Like right, scheme wise, what's
Speaker 2: going to be the change? Run the ball more, I guess.
Speaker 2: But they were running. They were running the ball. Guy,
Speaker 2: I just feel like that's what McDermott wants. But they
Speaker 2: were running the ball plenty, and they ran the ball well,
Speaker 2: for instance on Monday night, so they just kept you know,
Speaker 2: dribbling it. And Josh Allen, you know, he said it
Speaker 2: was very it was personal to him that firing because
Speaker 2: he did essentially hand pick Dorsey as the guy. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's the biggest message McDermott could send because he's not
Speaker 2: gonna bench Josh Allen and he's been the kind of
Speaker 2: the focal point.
Speaker 3: A lot of the inconsistency.
Speaker 4: So you get rid of his guy to send a shot,
Speaker 4: maybe just leave your defense on the field for a
Speaker 4: field goal in a hurry up situation like basically every
Speaker 4: other coach would have done.
Speaker 3: So that's too.
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Speaker 3: All right, chuck your up second overall pick.
Speaker 6: All right, well you left this gift to me.
Speaker 5: The one game between teams with winning records, that is
Speaker 5: Brown Steelers going over on the shore. I had a
Speaker 5: debate therough the day shore or shores of Lake Eriy.
Speaker 6: It's neither here, northy.
Speaker 5: That's what they'll play the football game right along one
Speaker 5: of the great lakes. And unfortunately for the Browns, some
Speaker 5: not great news delivered yesterday with Deshaun Watson season ending
Speaker 5: shoulder injury and subsequent surgery. Now they're turning to Dorian
Speaker 5: Thompson Robinson, which means this game went from being an
Speaker 5: expected Brown's victory by some uh analysis.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean they were yeah, four, I think they were three,
Speaker 4: three to four point yeah one.
Speaker 5: That's that's what Watson is even, you know, in his
Speaker 5: up and down season. That's what he was worth. One
Speaker 5: at home. You don't even get the home field advantage
Speaker 5: in the line there. So I think this is going
Speaker 5: to be a tight one and I think it's gonna
Speaker 5: be very interesting to watch because, yeah, two solid defenses,
Speaker 5: Browns one of the best defenses in the NFL. Steelers
Speaker 5: not too far behind, maybe not statistically, but they are opportunistic.
Speaker 5: What do they do to Pittsburgh's offense. Pittsburgh's offense, which
Speaker 5: has been stuck in the mud for the majority of
Speaker 5: the season, finally figured out how to run the football
Speaker 5: against the Packers last week. Are they able to replicate
Speaker 5: that again, because if they do, then it shifts in
Speaker 5: favor of the Steelers, And if they don't, then I
Speaker 5: don't know what DCR is going to do. So I
Speaker 5: have no idea what this Brown's offense is going to
Speaker 5: look like. We're in for an unpredictable affair on the
Speaker 5: shore or shore.
Speaker 3: The over under is a joke on this game. It's
Speaker 3: thirty three.
Speaker 4: We don't normally say the over under for every game,
Speaker 4: but that that.
Speaker 3: Is a historically low number. I get it.
Speaker 4: I have more optimistic optimism about Dorian Thompson Robinson number one,
Speaker 4: because he played well enough in the preseason and in
Speaker 4: training camp to believe they really found their guy they
Speaker 4: were so excited about, and they traded away Josh Dobbson.
Speaker 4: There really was a lot of internal excitement that like.
Speaker 3: Hmm, I tell you they have a bad eye.
Speaker 4: Right, I'm just saying, like he should tell me. He
Speaker 4: was an absolute disaster in that game that he started
Speaker 4: against the Ravens. He didn't know until that morning that
Speaker 4: he was playing. If you guys remember and Watson practice
Speaker 4: throughout the week too, and the fact that they went
Speaker 4: back to him here shows a little bit of confidence.
Speaker 4: So I guess I'm just not assuming that he's a
Speaker 4: total train wreck. I'm allowing for a possibility that he
Speaker 4: could be effective in part Dan because when I went
Speaker 4: back to watch and I watched all of Watsons snaps
Speaker 4: on the on the Coaches film in.
Speaker 3: The last two weeks.
Speaker 4: Because I'm just fascinated by this team and Stefanski's coaching
Speaker 4: the hell out of this team. There are open guys,
Speaker 4: even with backup tackles. They were winning the line of
Speaker 4: scrimmage against the Ravens and a lot of it was
Speaker 4: first read, quick throws, good coaching all around. So I
Speaker 4: have some optimism that maybe he can coach around and
Speaker 4: that they'll at least be respectable, kind of like they
Speaker 4: were with PJ.
Speaker 3: Walker. It's like they weren't the worst offense in the
Speaker 3: league with PJ. Walker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, it should also be pointing out
Speaker 2: that this this Watson thing dropped like a hammer. So
Speaker 2: it's not like Thompson Robinson is getting a full week
Speaker 2: here either. It's kind of they're trying to get him
Speaker 2: up to speed. And I'm sure it's still a bit
Speaker 2: shocking that all of a sudden he's the guy again
Speaker 2: in the middle of this division race. But the Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: defense is Yes, as Shook said, if they're not statistically
Speaker 2: the top people that are watching these games, you understand
Speaker 2: that this is a defense that's getting better making plays
Speaker 2: and they have to because the Steelers have This is
Speaker 2: a crazy stat by the way, the Steelers have had
Speaker 2: fewer than four hundred total yards in fifty seven straight games.
Speaker 2: They are averaging just three hundred and eighteen yards per
Speaker 2: game and wins since twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: That's the fewest in the NFL.
Speaker 2: They rank last in point differential negative twenty six and
Speaker 2: total yard difference negative eight sixty five among the current
Speaker 2: winning teams in twenty twenty three, and so they're averaging
Speaker 2: seventeen points.
Speaker 3: Per game this season.
Speaker 2: So they are playing with fire and they're getting by
Speaker 2: because they create turnovers.
Speaker 3: They have a plus ten differential.
Speaker 2: They're tymas Cincinnati for number one eighteen takeaways, and that's
Speaker 2: what's gonna come down to. I think in this game
Speaker 2: is Ken the Pittsburgh defense once again pull a rabbit
Speaker 2: out of the hat and take advantage and feast upon
Speaker 2: a young quarterback without a lot of experience.
Speaker 4: Right, Nick, I want your take on the Steelers offense
Speaker 4: because I actually think they've looked much better since thereby
Speaker 4: that those stats, yes they have in top four hundred
Speaker 4: yards like, they're not explosive obviously, but they've run the
Speaker 4: ball really well the last two weeks, including against the Titans,
Speaker 4: who are a great run defense. Project Drones their first
Speaker 4: round pick they put into lineup. He you, Daniel Jeremiah,
Speaker 4: who does the Chargers game. He's the Charger when Smith
Speaker 4: does the No, it's just it's also Jeremiah used to
Speaker 4: be a scout. You're right up, Yeah, used to be
Speaker 4: at out somewhere.
Speaker 3: I think the info is off.
Speaker 4: And yeah, Jalen Warren, they they studish out Jeremiah. They
Speaker 4: started Jalen Warren over Naje Airis. They like announced them
Speaker 4: as the starter, which was interesting. Like they told them
Speaker 4: before the game, you're gonna get introduced with the starters
Speaker 4: over and Pick. It's been better actually since their bye week.
Speaker 4: I just went to check it. EPA per play on
Speaker 4: offense eleven doesn't surprise me, Nick, because they're actually moving
Speaker 4: the ball.
Speaker 3: They're not explosive.
Speaker 4: They don't score touchdowns, but almost all their drives have
Speaker 4: like four or five first downs and they move it
Speaker 4: forty yards and then they kick a field goal. They're
Speaker 4: not that bad on offense. Am I crazy?
Speaker 6: No, You're not crazy.
Speaker 5: And I think you just laid out exactly why they've
Speaker 5: made incremental improvements. Roder Jones one of my favorite tackles
Speaker 5: in this past class All Combine Team member. Nice little
Speaker 5: plug there, he's.
Speaker 3: Made you make the All Combined Team.
Speaker 2: Shook, Yes, I do. I know you would appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Shooky because nobody knows line play better than you. The
Speaker 2: pull that he had on that one Warren run, I believe,
Speaker 2: or maybe it was Harris last week, I was like, man,
Speaker 2: there are very few guys as athletic as that dude.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's a great segue into why it really
Speaker 5: matters this offense is the fact that Jalen Warren is
Speaker 5: the better running back of the two, and they use
Speaker 5: them complimentary in a complimentary role.
Speaker 6: In the last week.
Speaker 5: And I think that going to Warren is your more
Speaker 5: explosive guy who's a little bit harder down, is the
Speaker 5: ideal thing to do. He's just got more juice in
Speaker 5: his legs right now. He's the one who's able.
Speaker 6: To shoulder the load.
Speaker 5: It's not to say that, nag, he's not going to
Speaker 5: be a part of it, but both of them matter
Speaker 5: a lot because when they couldn't run the football, when
Speaker 5: they didn't have Roger Jones in the lineup, it was
Speaker 5: all on Kenny Pickett. And it's on Kenny Pickett and
Speaker 5: Matt Canada, who is one of the play callers you
Speaker 5: don't want to pick. He's about last in the list
Speaker 5: for you to call a play on third and eleven
Speaker 5: or even third and two when the game's on the line,
Speaker 5: as they saw in Week two against the Browns. So
Speaker 5: the running game has been the most important part for them.
Speaker 5: It's given Kenny a little bit more time, a little
Speaker 5: bit less pressure to go be a hero. But again,
Speaker 5: I do have issues with them because when they're still,
Speaker 5: you know, behind the sticks, it often just resorts Kenny
Speaker 5: dropping back and throwing a bomb down the sideline to
Speaker 5: either Deontay Johnson or George Pickens in one on one.
Speaker 5: And you know, you got a fifty to fifty shot
Speaker 5: at best at some of those plays. But they're in
Speaker 5: a better spot now than they were before. And I
Speaker 5: think that actually speaks to why the Browns went to
Speaker 5: DTR because PJ. Walker has been a turnover machine in
Speaker 5: his games. Yeah he's kind of, you know, kept them
Speaker 5: going a little bit, but he's turned the ball over
Speaker 5: a ton. This is Steelers defense that's going to turn
Speaker 5: you over. And if their offense has gotten even a
Speaker 5: little bit better, suddenly you're on the flip side of that,
Speaker 5: and you're looking at an uphill battle.
Speaker 6: So it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 2: Guy, Greg, you wanted PJ. Walker to be a good
Speaker 2: so bad he's your guy.
Speaker 4: I was pretty hot. I was pretty excited about DTR
Speaker 4: in the preseason. I have some tweets I regret about that,
Speaker 4: so uh, I'm excited. I just you know, I wish
Speaker 4: for him that he had easier matchups in his first
Speaker 4: two games, division matchups against good defense.
Speaker 3: The third overall pick goes.
Speaker 4: To Greg Okay, I am going to take the Houston
Speaker 4: Texans nearly the team of at L five point favorites
Speaker 4: at home against the Cardinals, and uh surprise, they're only
Speaker 4: five point favorites that that week. That is uh yeah,
Speaker 4: that is what you're saying. That's a bad three pick.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's it just tells you a lot about
Speaker 2: the week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I think you're right. My next pick actually
Speaker 4: maybe is a better game. But this one is kyler
Speaker 4: ye and this one has CJ, so just looking for
Speaker 4: entertainment value early. I think this is gonna be a
Speaker 4: watchable game, and I think you know, we've talked about
Speaker 4: how fun the Texans are to watch every week. Stroud
Speaker 4: is better over the last few weeks, I believe, cause
Speaker 4: the line is healthier. That's made a huge difference for them.
Speaker 4: And I think about this matchup against the Cardinals and
Speaker 4: their defense, which does not get a lot of pressure
Speaker 4: on you. Stroud has gone from like good if by
Speaker 4: the eye test and good on film, so like the
Speaker 4: numbers are outrageous because oh by the way he has
Speaker 4: an all Pro left tackle.
Speaker 3: And the rest of the line is healthy.
Speaker 4: Shack Mason's playing well this year, and they're in a
Speaker 4: different spot, and you're going against a Cardinals defense that
Speaker 4: is still terrible, Like there still can't stop anyone, including
Speaker 4: even the Falcons last week, And so I think this
Speaker 4: is gonna be a fun game to go watch. My
Speaker 4: guy Tank Dell be better than anyone gave him any
Speaker 4: right to be. I think it's like it's been a
Speaker 4: fun little story Nick, but I think he has a
Speaker 4: little more staying power as like a difference making wide receiver.
Speaker 5: Your guy my guy another.
Speaker 3: Right now, I'm on fire.
Speaker 5: He's one of the receivers that I thought would make
Speaker 5: the quickest jump in the NFL because his route running
Speaker 5: is so precise.
Speaker 6: He's in great sync with CJ.
Speaker 3: Stroud.
Speaker 5: They're really fun pairing to watch, and c J. Stroud's
Speaker 5: a blast to watch with everybody. He throws the football too.
Speaker 5: It's been Noah Brown for the last two weeks because
Speaker 5: he didn't have Nico Collins.
Speaker 3: Last week, most likely Nico Collins missing practice.
Speaker 6: He got hurt and that doesn't worry me at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not in this matchup. At least.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I think it go ahead.
Speaker 3: No, I was keeping finished that point.
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's interesting because you have two quarterbacks
Speaker 5: that are on trajectories in this game, with CJ, who's
Speaker 5: having a great year, who's gonna win Offensive Rookie of
Speaker 5: the Year. But then you have Kyler, who you know,
Speaker 5: he didn't throw a touchdown pass in his return game,
Speaker 5: but he looked good, like he looked fresh, healthy, could
Speaker 5: operate this offense, and you could tell how badly the
Speaker 5: Cardinals needed him. So I'm not counting the Cardinals out
Speaker 5: of this game, but I think the quarterback do you know,
Speaker 5: the battle here is just really intriguing for a game that,
Speaker 5: on paper otherwise doesn't seem really all that captivating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I did like and there was a quote
Speaker 2: along those lines with a conversation Gan and Kyler had
Speaker 2: before his return, you know like basically, turn me loose,
Speaker 2: let me be Kyler. I'd want to be a minimized
Speaker 2: version of myself to protect my body. They're going to
Speaker 2: really get a look at him here, so we're going
Speaker 2: to see if he continues to move well, because I
Speaker 2: thought he really did look good in that first game
Speaker 2: on the Texan side. Yeah, we talked about Noah Brown,
Speaker 2: who's producing like I don't know, ceedee lamb the last.
Speaker 3: Couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: I don't exactly expect that to continue. But I think
Speaker 2: that's such a sign and give Noah Brown a ton
Speaker 2: of credit, but that when you have a big time quarterback,
Speaker 2: how he can elevate players from Jags to something much
Speaker 2: more in the running game. I want to see this
Speaker 2: continues because there was a lot of excitement. Excitement's a
Speaker 2: strong word around Damian Pierce, but an idea that Pierce
Speaker 2: was a guy that could be a Pro Bowl level
Speaker 2: running back or something in that world, and it really
Speaker 2: didn't happen, and then he got beat up. He's missed
Speaker 2: two games with an ankle. Devin Singletary has a huge
Speaker 2: game last week. If they can really greg get the
Speaker 2: running game in concert with Stroud, we.
Speaker 3: Are cooking and we might actually have something for real
Speaker 3: here in use. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think they have a chance to win this division.
Speaker 4: They beat the Jaguars already. I don't think the Jaguars
Speaker 4: are great, and this is an interesting test, kind of
Speaker 4: a first test for them. They're on this role, they're
Speaker 4: favored in this game. They need it. To get to
Speaker 4: six and four and really get themselves entrenched in this
Speaker 4: playoff race. You can't slip up. And the thing that's
Speaker 4: going to make the difference for me for them down
Speaker 4: the stretch. Can their defense matter. Like they've been a
Speaker 4: very up and down defense. Some days they'll they'll create
Speaker 4: a lot of plays. Some days they've been steamrolled, like
Speaker 4: against Tampa Bay. And if Demiko Ryans gets that group,
Speaker 4: and it's a very young team, they've played more rookies
Speaker 4: overall than snaps than any team in the NFL. If
Speaker 4: they can get their defense to matter a little bit,
Speaker 4: to be feisty down the stretch, to be average or
Speaker 4: a little bit better, then we're talking about a team
Speaker 4: that can go ahead and win a division shook and
Speaker 4: can make some noise.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think the quarterback play alone, plus a defense that
Speaker 5: has some potential gets to the conversation. They're a game
Speaker 5: behind the Jaguars right now, and if they rolled the
Speaker 5: ball out right now and play it, I wouldn't I
Speaker 5: would have a tough time picking either team. In fact,
Speaker 5: I might even lean Texans just with the way they've
Speaker 5: been playing.
Speaker 4: As I mean, theynced them the first time too, is
Speaker 4: a little bit of a kind of like, oh, hey,
Speaker 4: this is it.
Speaker 3: I just think of a symmetry.
Speaker 2: They just missed out on the first overall pick and
Speaker 2: then took stroud of the two. They just missed out
Speaker 2: on being the team of ATM. They finished second there too.
Speaker 2: The chip on the shoulder of the Easton Texans is
Speaker 2: something to keep an eye on.
Speaker 4: His straight home games, including the Jaguars next week. So
Speaker 4: that's a big game next week. Okay, I am going
Speaker 4: to take the Seahawks a one point favorite. Across the
Speaker 4: sidewalk against the ramsay always one of my favorite matchups.
Speaker 4: I went and when they used to remember they used
Speaker 4: to fly me to games sometimes to like just as a.
Speaker 3: Red I think about it all the time, bitch me.
Speaker 4: I was there when the Rams won the division in
Speaker 4: Seattle years back. And I always think Sean McVay owns
Speaker 4: Pete Carroll, and it happened again in Week one that
Speaker 4: he's owned this matchup in general. So why I'm a
Speaker 4: little I'm a little surprised the Seahawks are are one
Speaker 4: point favorites here because the Rams are three and six,
Speaker 4: the Seahawks are six and three. But I don't see
Speaker 4: these teams as too far apart when you have a
Speaker 4: healthy Matthew Stafford who is practicing fully this week. He
Speaker 4: is back and it is a monster game for both
Speaker 4: these teams. If the Rams want any hope of kind
Speaker 4: of sneaking into the seven race, they got to win
Speaker 4: this week. They got the Cardinals and then dtr the
Speaker 4: next week, potential for a run the Seahawks after this
Speaker 4: week have forty nine ers at Dallas at forty nine
Speaker 4: ers Eagles. It could get gotta have it dark if
Speaker 4: you don't win this game, and I can't imagine shuck that.
Speaker 4: Like Seahawks fans feel incredibly confident about this game because
Speaker 4: they're not rushing the passer well. And if you don't
Speaker 4: get after Stafford, he can do things like what happened
Speaker 4: in week one when it was the Pooka Nakua breakout party.
Speaker 3: Now he's got Pooka and Cooper Cup to go against
Speaker 3: this defense.
Speaker 5: What you mean he didn't see Leonard Williams first sack
Speaker 5: as the Seahawks last week?
Speaker 3: What's going on? Okay, I didn't see it a lot.
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. It wasn't that excit.
Speaker 6: You're absolutely You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 5: I was curious about this line because if you look
Speaker 5: at the Rams on the surface, you think, well, the
Speaker 5: Seahawks are in a better position then, But they got
Speaker 5: the return of Matt Stafford at the worst possible time.
Speaker 5: I mean, they could have had Brett Rippon, they could
Speaker 5: have had anybody else. They signed off the street play
Speaker 5: quarterback for the Rams, and you think it's an easy
Speaker 5: Seahawks win. But because Stafford comes back, all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: everything is back and play. And you talked about the
Speaker 5: history with Sean McVay versus the Seahawks, So I think
Speaker 5: that kind of adds an element of surprise and intrigue
Speaker 5: to this game that otherwise on paper, doesn't look all
Speaker 5: that great. I'm just happy to see Stafford back. I
Speaker 5: hope he's very healthy. I want to see him throw
Speaker 5: the ball down the few.
Speaker 4: These are two entertaining teams to watch. They can throw
Speaker 4: the we could.
Speaker 2: We could understand the Seahawks side of it, but yes,
Speaker 2: you have there's a Rams rosy tax i. But with
Speaker 2: Stafford back, yes, I just hope he comes back and
Speaker 2: he's Stafford that we saw earlier in the season, and
Speaker 2: not a guy that's a thirty something quarterback who's starting
Speaker 2: to get beat up as the season goes along because
Speaker 2: he has been there's an issue with you know, keeping
Speaker 2: him clean.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 2: He's been pressured on over forty two percent of his
Speaker 2: dropbacks this year.
Speaker 3: That's third highest in the NFL.
Speaker 2: That can't be happening with Stafford and he's not the
Speaker 2: type of quarterback that can endure that. And Seattle's the
Speaker 2: data points backs up that Seattle has a pass rush
Speaker 2: here that they they're top five in sacks.
Speaker 4: They I swear it's all from the Giants game. It's
Speaker 4: like they got fourteen sacks that day and it was
Speaker 4: like that it their top ten in at sack percentage race.
Speaker 4: So it's not like they're they're foreign to getting to
Speaker 4: the quarterback. But I think that's the key here.
Speaker 2: And I'll be watching to see if Stafford actually looks
Speaker 2: like Stafford because the rams being watchable at all kind
Speaker 2: of hinges on him.
Speaker 4: Yes, and Gino Silmer similarly, like most quarterbacks, it's all
Speaker 4: about the pressure rate. Like he entered last week, Dan,
Speaker 4: I think it was top four in terms of the
Speaker 4: pressure rate he's faced this year, and he's just not
Speaker 4: the same guy. He's not making decisions. He's trying to
Speaker 4: get rid of the ball. The Rams don't have a
Speaker 4: great passers. They have Aaron Donald, they have Byron Young,
Speaker 4: but they're inconsistent overall as a team. If you protect Gino,
Speaker 4: you can build on what happened last week. So kind
Speaker 4: of whichever team to me can get a little heat.
Speaker 4: The Seahawks have more money invested, more picks invested up front,
Speaker 4: like they should be better and should get after stafforg.
Speaker 4: I guess I like the Seahawks to even it out,
Speaker 4: but I don't feel confident in this at all. Shook,
Speaker 4: who would you pick?
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go Seahawks.
Speaker 5: It's contingent upon whether the Seattle coaching staff gets a
Speaker 5: little bit more of the rollout game going for Geno.
Speaker 5: It's not that it's as great at strength necessarily, but
Speaker 5: I think you're gonna have to roll them away from
Speaker 5: some interior pressure. And you know, you saw that touchdown
Speaker 5: pass and that highlight there that that would look good
Speaker 5: if they did that a little bit more often instead
Speaker 5: of asking him to just drop back and find somebody.
Speaker 6: Down the field.
Speaker 5: It's so it's it's up and down, not to the
Speaker 5: extremes with him, but there are games in which he's
Speaker 5: great on the first scripted drive, and then you get
Speaker 5: to the second quarter, in the third quarter and he disappears,
Speaker 5: and then he wakes up in the fourth quarter and
Speaker 5: leads another great one or two drives to get them,
Speaker 5: you know, close to winning or winning the game. So
Speaker 5: it's not super consistent. But I also understand everything that's
Speaker 5: going around him right now. And if I have to
Speaker 5: compare that to the Rams, I don't know the condition
Speaker 5: Stafford's in.
Speaker 6: He's been out for a while. I'm gonna go Seehawks.
Speaker 4: I've already rethought it. I'm going to pick the Rams
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Speaker 5: We are going Buccaneers forty nine ers game that you
Speaker 5: look at and think, I don't know, why would you
Speaker 5: pick that so early?
Speaker 3: And there's only three games you got to pick one
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, we are beholden to that late schedule.
Speaker 5: I would love to see Baker Mayfield put together a
Speaker 5: game that finally convinces the doubters, including those in Tampa,
Speaker 5: that he is good enough to be their quarterback. Now,
Speaker 5: he's dealt with a lot of struggles on the offensive side,
Speaker 5: many of them not his fault. They can't run the football.
Speaker 5: I feel like I just keep talking about teams and
Speaker 5: can't run the football today, but the Buccaneers certainly cannot
Speaker 5: run the foo football. He also had to deal with
Speaker 5: Mike Evans drops last week. It's been kind of up
Speaker 5: and down, but he's a gamer. He's scrappy. That's what
Speaker 5: made people love him in Cleveland, and they would have
Speaker 5: loved him in Carolina, but he wasn't on the field
Speaker 5: for all that long before he was replaced.
Speaker 6: Well, they're gonna love him in Tampa and this is
Speaker 6: gonna be the game.
Speaker 1: Why.
Speaker 5: I know, Greg, and I'm just gonna push all that
Speaker 5: away because I'm not even a Baker fan, but I
Speaker 5: think he deserves a little bit more credit than what
Speaker 5: he's gotten for his performance this year. And what better
Speaker 5: way to do it than against the forty nine ers, who,
Speaker 5: by the way, I don't think the Buccaneers are gonna
Speaker 5: win this game, but it would be fun to see
Speaker 5: that happen, and it would also be a little bit
Speaker 5: concerning for the forty nine ers, who just dominated the
Speaker 5: Jaguars last weekend.
Speaker 3: Well, how many years has Baker been in the NFL? Now?
Speaker 3: Is eighteen? Was his version?
Speaker 4: So this is his best year since eighteen and there's
Speaker 4: not even a debate about it. He is playing consistent
Speaker 4: and I would dare say winning football like not making
Speaker 4: bad decisions, getting rid of the ball in time, occasionally
Speaker 4: a big time play like if you put this version
Speaker 4: of Baker Mayfield, and then you also sent Dave Canalis,
Speaker 4: who I think has done a nice job as the
Speaker 4: offense coordinator. Hell send the Bucks offensive line to We're
Speaker 4: totally changing the scenario, but you sent them to the Jets.
Speaker 4: They're seven and three, like he is, playing Dalton Scale
Speaker 4: median starter football that you can actually, I think he's
Speaker 4: been pretty reliable.
Speaker 2: Dan.
Speaker 4: You kind of know what you're getting each week. He
Speaker 4: hasn't had any really bad games.
Speaker 3: I've had a.
Speaker 2: Total turnaround in my viewpoint of Baker this season. I
Speaker 2: was never a big fan of his. Even last year
Speaker 2: I thought it was over sold a little bit the
Speaker 2: excitement around the Rams cameo, which had a couple of moments.
Speaker 3: But also a lot of bad Baker.
Speaker 2: But this Baker has really I don't know, I've just
Speaker 2: been impressed. He's kind of doing it. I think it
Speaker 2: helps him that it's just a little lower profiles down
Speaker 2: the NFC South, and he's just he has some dogs
Speaker 2: to throw to. And he's not perfect, ause he never
Speaker 2: has been and never will be. But playing in that
Speaker 2: division with the talent that he has around, which isn't
Speaker 2: an overwhelming amount of talent, but enough. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: there's a compelling kind of fun nature to their offense
Speaker 2: that takes on his his personality, and now they have.
Speaker 3: To play the forty nine ers.
Speaker 6: Feeling pretty dangerous.
Speaker 4: Now they have to play the forty nine ers and
Speaker 4: Javon Hargrave in this defensive line, who's kind of getting
Speaker 4: the second time round nick like of their fully formed
Speaker 4: group with Chase Young.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were pretty scary last week and I expect
Speaker 5: them to only get better going forward. It's gonna be
Speaker 5: real test the Buccaneers offensive line because whether they can
Speaker 5: run the ball or not, they're gonna have to protect
Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield. So you have to do enough offensively to
Speaker 5: stay in this game. Their defense has been pretty good
Speaker 5: for the most part, safe for that Houston game this year,
Speaker 5: so I think that they'll be competitive on that side
Speaker 5: of the ball.
Speaker 6: But man, it's really going to come down to whether
Speaker 6: they can protect Baker.
Speaker 5: He's got the ability in him to extend the play
Speaker 5: and avoid these situations, but he can also he's prone
Speaker 5: to make that turnover and try to be a hero.
Speaker 6: He's best when he operates in control.
Speaker 5: That's when he's really gotten this offense going I think
Speaker 5: the Niners are going to do a really good job
Speaker 5: of getting him out of control, and he could get ugly.
Speaker 4: They are twelve point favorites to forty nine ers in
Speaker 4: this game, which is crazy. I did want to mention
Speaker 4: the last few weeks, Calijah Kansi their first round pick
Speaker 4: five tackles for loss in the last two or three weeks.
Speaker 4: Videveya is playing like peak Vidaveya, and so suddenly you
Speaker 4: got those two guys. You got Shaq Barrett, you got
Speaker 4: ya Yaddabi.
Speaker 3: I mean, what a name.
Speaker 4: Making some plays over the last couple of you can
Speaker 4: kind of see it. Bowles was extremely aggressive last week
Speaker 4: against the Titans, but that was a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 3: Will he stay that way? They're starting to build something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think they're the best team in the division,
Speaker 4: even though they're about to be four and six.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And on the Niner side again with watching Brock Party
Speaker 2: and that was an important game for him, coming off
Speaker 2: the buy in a three game losing streak.
Speaker 3: And then his first.
Speaker 2: Red zone throw, he's flushed out of the pocket, he's
Speaker 2: heading towards the sideline, he sets his feet, he throws
Speaker 2: late and across the middle into coverage and somehow it
Speaker 2: rests in the hands of Brandon Ayuk in the back
Speaker 2: of the end zone. And then they made a good
Speaker 2: point on the Fox telecast, which was, you know, heads
Speaker 2: up on this. He threw thirty three interceptions at Iowa State, like,
Speaker 2: so he is always going to be kind of putting
Speaker 2: the ball for grabs the times. But then he also
Speaker 2: I thought he played a really really strong game overall,
Speaker 2: including that the touchdown pass to George Kittle was just
Speaker 2: a thing of beauty. So I'll be interest to see
Speaker 2: if he starts to get on a heater again. But
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess we should be understanding that interceptions
Speaker 2: are gonna be part of his game and not to
Speaker 2: be too shaded by them because he's not afraid to
Speaker 2: take chance.
Speaker 3: Let's go bulls of sons. He's gonna have opportunities.
Speaker 2: Defenses will always have opportunities against Brock Perty do we
Speaker 2: have By the way, because it was funny watching because
Speaker 2: this was the last game I watched, I watch it
Speaker 2: this morning. Actually they took Purty out of the game.
Speaker 2: It's a blowout to killing the Jaguars, and they put
Speaker 2: in the backup quarterback, but they still have the highest
Speaker 2: paid running back in the history of football out there
Speaker 2: trying to set the consecutive touchdowns streak record. He was,
Speaker 2: he was tied and he couldn't do it. And it
Speaker 2: was painful because in the last possession he gets brought down.
Speaker 2: I think it was an incompletion right near the goal line.
Speaker 2: I like the quote by CMC after the streak was snapped.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I suck. Everyone else on the team scored except
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 2: When the fullback score is on a twenty yard touchdown
Speaker 2: pass and you don't get the end zone, it might
Speaker 2: be time to step away, but I don't know. I
Speaker 2: thought it was also funny that and you know, keeping
Speaker 2: it real, like Kyle Shannon was like, no, I got
Speaker 2: to get this dog a score, even if it risked everything.
Speaker 2: And it just it's funny how they won't let these
Speaker 2: guys play in the preseason. Right, if there's a record,
Speaker 2: an individual record on the line, you're running them out
Speaker 2: there thirty seven.
Speaker 4: To three, right, And he like immediately when he shook
Speaker 4: hands with Doug Peterson, was trying to like explain, Hey,
Speaker 4: I hope you understand what we were doing.
Speaker 3: We were trying. He's like, yeah, I understood it, bro,
Speaker 3: And then just like want to know you. All right,
Speaker 3: let's move on. Four.
Speaker 6: By the way, it was fun.
Speaker 3: I mean he did four straight plays. The whole thing
Speaker 3: was just so. I don't hate it. That was a
Speaker 3: bad job by me.
Speaker 4: I sometimes you leave on Sunday nights and you think,
Speaker 4: like I left that one on the table forgot to.
Speaker 3: Mention, well, look, this is why we're a team. Came back, bro,
Speaker 3: took care of it right up top. Bro, there we go.
Speaker 3: What is this? This is gross? What are you doing?
Speaker 2: It gave him a lot of extra touches of his fingers.
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on. See that's why I got
Speaker 2: to check out this show. And if we can get
Speaker 2: a tight shot a replay maybe at the end of
Speaker 2: the show, that'd be amazing.
Speaker 3: I'm up.
Speaker 2: I got a double dip here, and let's start with
Speaker 2: I like this done. Took Chargers packers, that's right. Surprised
Speaker 2: still there Chargers getting three points here. I agree with
Speaker 2: what you said. We were doing our little what you
Speaker 2: people don't realize, Greg. I was really encouraged by Jordan
Speaker 2: Love's performance last week. I know that they didn't win,
Speaker 2: but you really saw him seeing the field well, I
Speaker 2: thought making some you know, going through progressions, buying time.
Speaker 2: He's obviously got a great arm, and I'm not saying
Speaker 2: he's perfect and he's not. And of course you can't
Speaker 2: not look at the two targets at Watson late that
Speaker 2: cost him the game. But from a broader scope, I
Speaker 2: think there is room for growth there. So here they
Speaker 2: are get a chance against the Chargers and a much
Speaker 2: maligned shook Chargers defense that Brandon Staley now is starting
Speaker 2: to feel the heat and answering questions about what changes
Speaker 2: are you going to make? He is the defensive minded coach,
Speaker 2: so I think there is a path here for the
Speaker 2: Packers to gain some momentum on the offensive side of
Speaker 2: the ball.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I agree.
Speaker 5: You know this is not a shot across the bow
Speaker 5: towards you and your Jets, Stan, But I had to
Speaker 5: write a post last week about Brandon Staley believing that
Speaker 5: the Chargers were turning a corner defensively because their pass
Speaker 5: rushers there and everyone's healthy and everything's great. Now I'm
Speaker 5: sitting back thinking, man, you played the Jets offense. This
Speaker 5: is not going to last. You guys are a sieve,
Speaker 5: and they were a sieve of course this week. So
Speaker 5: I do think it's a good opportunity for the Packers,
Speaker 5: and the thing about Love that really just I'm internally
Speaker 5: conflicted on this. I have been for most of the
Speaker 5: year because this is how he played, and one to
Speaker 5: week two to week three, he shows these performances where
Speaker 5: he's hitting guys down the field, dropping passes into the bucket,
Speaker 5: looking great, showing off the arm strength. He's throwing a
Speaker 5: pass while he's falling away downfield, put it exactly where
Speaker 5: Jade Green needs to catch it. I mean, it was
Speaker 5: all good stuff, but then there's the turnovers, and it's
Speaker 5: the end of game stuff that has killed them this year.
Speaker 5: And I'm just not ready to get on board yet.
Speaker 5: I need a complete game from him front to back
Speaker 5: against a team that has not named the Chicago Bears
Speaker 5: for me to.
Speaker 6: Fully believe in him. And this could be the moment.
Speaker 5: I know that the Chargers don't wear blue and orange,
Speaker 5: they wear powder blue and sometimes navy blue and gold,
Speaker 5: and they have a bad defense, but that could be
Speaker 5: enough of an optic switch for me to maybe just
Speaker 5: start to believe in Jordan Love. If they just tighten
Speaker 5: up some things, figure some things that clean it up
Speaker 5: a little bit. The short completions that end up incomplete
Speaker 5: because they bounce off of receiver's hands. Whatever it is,
Speaker 5: I'll feel a lot better, even though their season is
Speaker 5: not really going anywhere. I'll feel better about his trajectory
Speaker 5: and this seems like the right situation for it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this says potential to be an ugly loss for
Speaker 4: the Chargers. I feel like I basically the rest of
Speaker 4: this season. Anytime the Chargers are a game under five hundred,
Speaker 4: I mean, they can't afford to get there again too often.
Speaker 4: Like it's starting to feel like go time for Staley,
Speaker 4: Like he kind of can't lose these games anymore.
Speaker 3: Especially his defense coming up short. I just don't know
Speaker 3: who they are.
Speaker 4: I kind of bought that their defense was playing better
Speaker 4: because Bosa look better and they have it they should
Speaker 4: have a good pass rush, but they got stone last
Speaker 4: week against the Lions offensive line. The Packers offensive line
Speaker 4: is actually been playing a little better lately. Their defense
Speaker 4: gives up a ton on the ground, like every handful
Speaker 4: of games they gave up over two hundred the Packers defense.
Speaker 4: But I just don't trust Eckeler and their running game
Speaker 4: to take advantage. Eckler, though last week I thought had
Speaker 4: as much juice as I saw all season on the
Speaker 4: other side, Aaron Jones might be becoming like a little
Speaker 4: bit of a of a problem there for him.
Speaker 3: I just don't think he's he's the same guy.
Speaker 4: There was a play he was caught from behind by
Speaker 4: a Landon Roberts last week and I was like, whoa,
Speaker 4: I've watched enough of a Landon Roberts in New England
Speaker 4: knowing like he should not be catching Aaron Jones from behind.
Speaker 3: This is a bit of a I talked about it.
Speaker 2: What you people don't realize how many coaches are have
Speaker 2: hot butts entering the second half, and I do think, yeah,
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley definitely, if the Packers don't find a way
Speaker 2: in this game, they would be three and seven at
Speaker 2: that point. They're really taking on water in terms of
Speaker 2: the season and just something to keep an eye on.
Speaker 3: So interest.
Speaker 5: How early is it to dirt nap somebody?
Speaker 3: What do you mean? What does that like? Stick a
Speaker 3: fork in them? Yeah? Yeah, you could do it right now.
Speaker 4: We already had an episode who which one of the well,
Speaker 4: the Packers would not be a bold one.
Speaker 3: Are you sticking a fork in them?
Speaker 6: It doesn't know I'm sticking a fourth in the Chargers.
Speaker 3: You just said it.
Speaker 6: You don't know who they are. They don't know who
Speaker 6: they are.
Speaker 5: They need Keenan Allen to be a superhero to go
Speaker 5: win a shootout or actually they lost the shootout, but
Speaker 5: at least be competitive.
Speaker 4: Or Herbert, give me more of that, Herbert, though there
Speaker 4: was a point in that game where I think you
Speaker 4: realized what type of game he was in and he
Speaker 4: was just kind of fu Herbert.
Speaker 3: More of that, more of that, a little less safe.
Speaker 3: But I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I picked them to make the super Bowl in this
Speaker 4: AFC where they're like eleventh right now and there's so
Speaker 4: many two such a bad prediction. I feel very confident
Speaker 4: they are not making the playoffs, even though they're they're
Speaker 4: actually about a thirty five percent chance according to the
Speaker 4: you know, the projection models.
Speaker 3: To me, that what making the playoffs, which is like
Speaker 3: the same as super Bowl.
Speaker 4: No, hell no, no making the playoffs, which just like
Speaker 4: the same as the Bengals and some some of the
Speaker 4: teams in front of them, like the Texans, and I
Speaker 4: just I don't see it.
Speaker 3: I'm with you.
Speaker 4: They'll probably get to nine wins because that's the most
Speaker 4: annoying way for them to do it, but they're not
Speaker 4: gonna It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 9: You know, smart football Twitter. Every year you guys get
Speaker 9: sucked in by the Chargers. I summer every STU take
Speaker 9: it a couple of years off. And then I thought, Okay,
Speaker 9: nobody's on them this year.
Speaker 2: About it back and everybody likes pours over the DVOA
Speaker 2: and this and that.
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, Ravens sitting right there
Speaker 4: because we usually love the Ravens too, and they were
Speaker 4: sitting right there all.
Speaker 3: Right, mm.
Speaker 2: Snakes to me, and I just had to grab another
Speaker 2: game here. I'm gonna be in New York this weekend.
Speaker 2: I'm taking the boys to see my family, so might
Speaker 2: as well just grab the other Tristate area team, the
Speaker 2: New York Giants at Washington.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like, I like this is nothing.
Speaker 2: I don't care anything about the Giants, So I do
Speaker 2: like I like the specter of Tommy DeVito. And we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about Tommy DeVito on the NFL plus
Speaker 2: Dreamatorium episode coming up later today. But on the Washington side,
Speaker 2: I do want to see more from Sam hall Is.
Speaker 2: Colleen Wolf rightly pointed out on Wednesday's episode, Uh he
Speaker 2: leads the league in passing right now, he is playing
Speaker 2: a little bit smarter, taking less sacks in recent weeks
Speaker 2: and on again. On paper, this could be a game
Speaker 2: Greggy where Howl lights up the Giants and at home
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden he becomes something like more
Speaker 2: people are talking about, people are realizing the kind of
Speaker 2: season that Howl is quietly having.
Speaker 3: Here it seems like a nice setup for him to
Speaker 3: really roll. Yeah, they're this defense for the Giants.
Speaker 4: So they had that one or two weeks where they
Speaker 4: were capable, but Adorri Jackson is coming off a concussion,
Speaker 4: so's Kaevon Thibodeau, so's Jalen Hyatt, So they're banged up
Speaker 4: on top of everything else. This line actually started with
Speaker 4: them as like a ten and a half point favorites,
Speaker 4: which is crazy that the Commanders would be a ten
Speaker 4: and a half while over anyone.
Speaker 3: It's actually dipped. I noticed now Mark ripping the quarterbright
Speaker 3: it's at eight and a half. But that just shows
Speaker 3: you a lot where the Giants are at. And I
Speaker 3: get it.
Speaker 4: If if you gave Howl a better defense, they would
Speaker 4: have been good, Like the recipe was actually there for them.
Speaker 4: Nick that if they weren't like the twenty fifth best
Speaker 4: defense in the league. The offense is giving them enough,
Speaker 4: but the defense just isn't. Jonathan Allen Deron Payn, who
Speaker 4: getting paid a lot, have had very little production over
Speaker 4: the last five or six weeks. So they trade away
Speaker 4: the edge guys and the guys on the interior who
Speaker 4: get a ton of money aren't really playing that well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then I see this week they're working out
Speaker 5: another edge rusher, like they're already looking for plan B
Speaker 5: after trading away both those edge rushers.
Speaker 6: It's it's very obvious with them.
Speaker 5: It's a bummer because Sam Hall has exceeded every expectation
Speaker 5: I ever had for him by miles, and he's getting
Speaker 5: better and better in the last few weeks, even though
Speaker 5: they only have one win to show for it. He's
Speaker 5: been accurate, he's made great throws, he's operated out of
Speaker 5: structure really well. Everything that Ron Rivera, you know, was saying,
Speaker 5: was was great about this kid, about somebody that he
Speaker 5: believes could be the future of the franchise. It's just
Speaker 5: that if they don't start winning games, and Ron Vera's
Speaker 5: not gonna be around to see it through.
Speaker 3: So'll get to five and six if they win this.
Speaker 3: So that's sort of in that's barely in the mid
Speaker 3: but it's in the mill.
Speaker 6: Win this one.
Speaker 2: And we talked about a couple of weeks ago, like,
Speaker 2: if you believe you have something in this young quarterback,
Speaker 2: you really want to think twice about blowing up the
Speaker 2: entire coaching staff and the offensive scheme and and maybe
Speaker 2: he should give this kid a chance to mature in
Speaker 2: the system. And I guess it's up to them to
Speaker 2: finish strong and make that make a difficult decision for
Speaker 2: new ownership. Terry McLaurin is an interesting guy in this
Speaker 2: offense because he is the best player on the offense
Speaker 2: and yet he doesn't seem to get the ball enough.
Speaker 2: He actually had ninety yards against the Giants in Week seven.
Speaker 2: That's his season high. He doesn't have one hundred yard game.
Speaker 2: But this also, I think kind of speaks to Howell
Speaker 2: that he's not a young quarterback just laser locking in
Speaker 2: one guy. He actually the Commanders have six players that
Speaker 2: are over two hundred and fifty yards receiving this year.
Speaker 2: That's most in the NFL. There's no other team that
Speaker 2: even has more than five. So he is seeing the
Speaker 2: field spreading the ball around. And would you like to
Speaker 2: see Scary Terry win a game single handily because he can? Yes,
Speaker 2: maybe that happens today. How about that for a prediction?
Speaker 2: Ten for one forty and a touch for Scary?
Speaker 3: Well, all right, I'm putting him into my fantasy lineup. Then,
Speaker 3: oh no, don't do that. Well it has been he's been.
Speaker 4: Okay, he's costra Hans this got up play him shout
Speaker 4: out to uh. By the way, I think he is
Speaker 4: playing awesome, as as consistent as I think he's ever
Speaker 4: been in the NFL, not taking the tackles for loss,
Speaker 4: like taking what's there, getting extra, running really hard in
Speaker 4: a completely unfair, brutal situation. So I appreciate that the
Speaker 4: numbers aren't going to be crazy this year, but I
Speaker 4: think he's as good as he's ever I agree.
Speaker 2: And if you go back to one of the most
Speaker 2: grizzly games in NFL history, Jets Giants, I think one
Speaker 2: of the great feats that you will ever see is
Speaker 2: Saquon going for one twenty or one third whatever it was,
Speaker 2: when Tavito is in the lineup and they wouldn't let
Speaker 2: him throw, and that that's a good Jets front seven,
Speaker 2: and he still was finding holes and should have been
Speaker 2: able to put the game away. But that's a whole
Speaker 2: other conversation. Brian Dable made a different decision. All right, Shook,
Speaker 2: you are up, buddy.
Speaker 6: We are going to go down the list to the
Speaker 6: old AFC South.
Speaker 5: We're going Titans Jaguars because who needs a bounce back
Speaker 5: performance more than the team that only put three points
Speaker 5: on the board at home last week against the Jacksonville Jague.
Speaker 3: What a joke that the Jags show up, yulk, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was bad.
Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence is healthy enough to not be on the
Speaker 5: injury report, but not healthy enough to be as mobile
Speaker 5: as he needs to be behind an offensive line that's
Speaker 5: just not protecting well enough. The running game has disappeared
Speaker 5: for the most part. Deanis Johnson was the one carrying
Speaker 5: the load for them on the ground, So that's everything
Speaker 5: that you need to know about that. And defensively, a
Speaker 5: team that was very opportunistic about a month ago and
Speaker 5: suddenly isn't producing quite as many turnovers as you expect.
Speaker 5: I feel like I didn't see the Jaguars for like
Speaker 5: a month, even though I watch him every week going
Speaker 5: into this game, and When I watched this game, I
Speaker 5: thought this team six and two, like they're having a
Speaker 5: hard time. Everything's hard for them, so they need to bounce.
Speaker 2: They disappeared to England and won twice to their credit,
Speaker 2: but yeah, and then they came back and there was
Speaker 2: a buye greg It's I think West used to call
Speaker 2: it the Bermuda Triangle. I think the Jags were one
Speaker 2: of these teams that that kind of just didn't get
Speaker 2: the national spotlight.
Speaker 3: And we said it on Sunday, is this going to
Speaker 3: be now? When it starts?
Speaker 2: Like the heat around Trevor Lawrence, Like, look at all
Speaker 2: his stats are really really middling, middle of the road
Speaker 2: as a producer, and what was supposed to be a
Speaker 2: big year. We have not heard the avalanche of criticism
Speaker 2: on Lawrence, I don't think, And I think it factors
Speaker 2: in that he plays with the Jacksonville jab right, so
Speaker 2: maybe that works out for once.
Speaker 4: Well, this is one of those games Titans at Jaguars,
Speaker 4: because yeah, it's kind of the Titans last and if
Speaker 4: they want to be at all involved in this division.
Speaker 4: Levis at a big comeback to Earth game last week,
Speaker 4: and this is a tough matchup against defense that until
Speaker 4: last week had been playing so well, but Lawrence plays
Speaker 4: like an old Doug Peterson quarterback. I was trying to
Speaker 4: think who they were, who this offense reminded me of,
Speaker 4: And it reminded me of the Kansas City Chiefs with
Speaker 4: Alex Smith for those first two to three years, which
Speaker 4: was efficient, which was a little better than average. Actually,
Speaker 4: like they weren't bad at the last season. Smith actually
Speaker 4: started bombing and playing out of his mind, but he
Speaker 4: was there for four years. People kind of forget how
Speaker 4: long of a run that was for Alex Smith there,
Speaker 4: and that was Doug Peterson running those plays. And that's
Speaker 4: what it reminds me of, because that's all horizontal, it's
Speaker 4: all getting rid of the ball.
Speaker 3: They don't trust their offensive line.
Speaker 4: Ben Solak of The Ringer had a good stat that
Speaker 4: they run the fewest amount of routes past twenty yards
Speaker 4: and that their average depth of targets are shorter than
Speaker 4: the rest of the league by far. Like there's not
Speaker 4: even a second closest team that's in the ballpark. And
Speaker 4: that's like with Trevor Lawrence, Like why is he playing
Speaker 4: like Alex Smith?
Speaker 3: It's not good. Zay Jones.
Speaker 4: We should have mentioned previously was arrested. Actually, I think
Speaker 4: we just missed it with the time it happened on
Speaker 4: a misdemeanor domestic battery charge, something involving his mother. A disturbing,
Speaker 4: sad story. But he is on the practice field this week,
Speaker 4: and I think they're gonna play him. He's missed six games,
Speaker 4: was a key part of their offense a year ago
Speaker 4: in a row. So that's a messy situation, but it
Speaker 4: doesn't look like the league's gonna step I thought, you.
Speaker 2: Know, watching that Niners game, and it happens the game
Speaker 2: got away from there against a Studeley Niners team that
Speaker 2: was pissed off coming off a three game losing streak
Speaker 2: and a bye. But even when the game, they're down
Speaker 2: four scores and then they should be like at least
Speaker 2: getting you know, some type of like momentum. Its third
Speaker 2: and seventeen, it's like right fourth and twenty one and
Speaker 2: you're throwing a three yard checkdown pass it there was
Speaker 2: nothing there. And the data around Lawrence is he's been
Speaker 2: one of the worst quarterbacks in the league against the
Speaker 2: Blitz this year, and I think one player shook that
Speaker 2: kind of his emblematic of their bad season. They're having
Speaker 2: they're tight end Evan Ingram, who I've always liked. He
Speaker 2: leads the team in receptions. He doesn't even have a
Speaker 2: touchdown this year. There's just no juice to the Jacksonville Jaguars,
Speaker 2: and that was not supposed to be the case here.
Speaker 5: This is a conflict I deal with every week with
Speaker 5: QB index because the tape for most of his season
Speaker 5: has been better than the numbers suggested, but almost every game,
Speaker 5: and there was a very specific stretch about three or
Speaker 5: four weeks a month or so ago where it was
Speaker 5: just near misses. Everything was just not quite where it
Speaker 5: needed to be, whether it was a receiver dropping a
Speaker 5: well placed pass, or Lawrence just missing a guy not
Speaker 5: giving him a space to catch the ball, or not
Speaker 5: getting the ball out in time, or throwing interceptions. Whatever
Speaker 5: it was just didn't quite fit. I thought they were
Speaker 5: starting to ascend and figure it out, and then they
Speaker 5: put a performance on like this. So I want to
Speaker 5: think that this is the fluke, this is the anomaly,
Speaker 5: it's the aberration, and that we're gonna They're gonna get
Speaker 5: back on track. They're gonna beat the Titans, but they're
Speaker 5: also going to face a front that could capitalize on
Speaker 5: a weak offensive line. So it's not gonna be easy.
Speaker 5: It's going to be a challenge for them. Greg, you
Speaker 5: know you talked about everything being horizontal with that offense.
Speaker 5: I was so frustrated watching them. Why are you trying
Speaker 5: another screen for the ninth time when you know they're
Speaker 5: gonna be there to blow it up. They had no
Speaker 5: reason to respect the deep shot. You have Christian Kirk
Speaker 5: on this team, You have Calvin Ridley on this team.
Speaker 5: These guys are fast.
Speaker 6: Take a shot. Why not. You have nothing to lose,
Speaker 6: so do that a little bit more. You'll probably get
Speaker 6: back to your winning way.
Speaker 2: This is for the Titans fans. Showke, you do the
Speaker 2: QB index, and you do it well every week on
Speaker 2: NFL dot Com. Yeah, Levis did come back to earth,
Speaker 2: and he didn't have a big statistical game against the
Speaker 2: Steelers the week before, but was a monster his debut obviously.
Speaker 3: Is the juice out of that orange as well? Or
Speaker 3: is there something looking forward to this one game? That's
Speaker 3: just he's played three to so I'm asking the.
Speaker 1: Sorry.
Speaker 5: I think the Steelers game was up and down, but
Speaker 5: there was lots of like in that game. The Tampa game,
Speaker 5: they just blitzed the crap out of him. I mean
Speaker 5: they blitzed it over fifty percent. They knew that, look,
Speaker 5: we're gonna stop the run and we're just gonna send
Speaker 5: the house at Will Levis and force him to make
Speaker 5: a decision. And to his credit, he stood tall in
Speaker 5: the pocket and tried to get the ball out, you know,
Speaker 5: on target a number of times. But that offense was
Speaker 5: just cut at the knees and they just didn't have
Speaker 5: much of an opportunity to keep up in a game
Speaker 5: that wasn't really a high scoring affair. So I kind
Speaker 5: of foresee a similar product this week, probably another touchdown
Speaker 5: than they scored last week, just because it's a division
Speaker 5: game that tends to happen. But the juice is not
Speaker 5: out of the out of the fruit here, because what
Speaker 5: else you gonna do? You gonna go back Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 5: You might as well keep letting the kid play and
Speaker 5: at least give you a game.
Speaker 4: And I thought, like Angel was in there, would they
Speaker 4: be in that particular game. They probably He probably would
Speaker 4: have handled that better because he's seen defenses like that.
Speaker 6: They might have scored ten.
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't want to go back Lewis show has
Speaker 3: showed too much.
Speaker 2: We got speaking of juice, we got juice in the
Speaker 2: legs of Derrick Henry in November twenty m They got
Speaker 2: the juice on those legs.
Speaker 3: I don't know about that either.
Speaker 4: Weird team Jaguar's favored by seven in this game. That's
Speaker 4: too much for a division matchup. All right, let's take
Speaker 4: a break and we'll finish out the draft. All right,
Speaker 4: we are back Greg once again, back to back picks.
Speaker 4: Let's welcome the Miami Dolphins back into our lives. I
Speaker 4: missed them, you know. They went to Germany, didn't go
Speaker 4: so well, took a week off, thirteen and a half
Speaker 4: point favorites over the Raiders.
Speaker 3: Wow, Miami, it's a lot. But they did have a
Speaker 3: great injury report.
Speaker 4: I would say this week with incredible injury devon Ah
Speaker 4: Chain returning, they still have more injuries than you would
Speaker 4: like coming off of bye week. Like the Chiefs literally
Speaker 4: don't have a player on their injury report. It's like, wow,
Speaker 4: it's eleven. That's happening.
Speaker 3: That's remarkable.
Speaker 4: Now the Dolphins still have like five or six guys
Speaker 4: who aren't practicing, but they're all role players. A Chain
Speaker 4: looks like he's back and Armstead has been limited in practice,
Speaker 4: and that would be the biggest return for them. They're
Speaker 4: going up against a defense which I think Patrick Graham
Speaker 4: has gotten the most out of Max Crosby having an
Speaker 4: insane year. But when Joe Buck and Troy Aikman are
Speaker 4: saying hey, Antonio appears told me he went to Robert
Speaker 4: splane and he said, Robert, like, this defense is on you.
Speaker 4: That's our guy. If we want to build around one guy,
Speaker 4: it's Splaine. And I'm thinking, like, I get it. There's
Speaker 4: not funny guests over here, not many options, but they're overachieving.
Speaker 3: And when you play a team like the Dolphins.
Speaker 4: Even if the Dolphins were they were twenty second in
Speaker 4: EPA on offense from Week seven to nine their last
Speaker 4: three games, which are tough matchups, I expect we get
Speaker 4: a return to the fun fire show against the bad
Speaker 4: team Dolphins, and I like that as my backup early game.
Speaker 3: That'll be fun.
Speaker 6: Does that Does that justify that?
Speaker 5: That line there, like, that's that's a big spread, like thirteen,
Speaker 5: that's disrespectful In the NFL, this.
Speaker 6: Is the Raiders team. Oh god, that is playing for
Speaker 6: its coach. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 4: No, I'm going it's a little disrespectful, but I get
Speaker 4: it because of the way Miami played bad teams at home.
Speaker 2: It's on brand, Like you know, they they've proven they
Speaker 2: can bully teams that are at this level and below,
Speaker 2: and at home coming.
Speaker 3: Off a week or rest. I think the I think
Speaker 3: the Sharks have this one nailed.
Speaker 2: I think this one's got the Raiders come down to
Speaker 2: Earth and maybe twenty one to three end of quarter
Speaker 2: one written all over it.
Speaker 6: I can't disagree. I mean, I think the Raiders.
Speaker 5: You guys see this from time to time when a
Speaker 5: coach gets fired, right, there's a little bit of juice,
Speaker 5: a little spark. Sure players played for their interim coach
Speaker 5: because they exactly You're right, I should have used.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you watch on our YouTube show, you could
Speaker 4: see Actually you can't see us because they're showing in.
Speaker 4: Tony appears right in the background. Our longtime friend and
Speaker 4: NFL photographer Ben Lee, who's never listened to the show,
Speaker 4: and I never see him anymore. He's in a different
Speaker 4: part of the complex. But Ben, we're talking about you.
Speaker 4: How about Michael Meyer playing better last few weeks. Josh
Speaker 4: Jacob's playing better certainly the defense under Pierce. So if
Speaker 4: I had to choose, and I guess I do, I
Speaker 4: have to pick a score for this game. I'm going
Speaker 4: to have the Raiders keeping it closer like eleven points.
Speaker 2: You know, under this I want everyone to just including you, Greg,
Speaker 2: because you need to pick the score. This, all this
Speaker 2: optimism around the Raiders is still not a good roster
Speaker 2: with a mid round pick, rookie quarterback coach with no experience,
Speaker 2: two wins against the New York teams in various states.
Speaker 3: Of at home, which is actually a little at home. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this this is screaming at us, Hey, fifty burger, fifty
Speaker 3: burger coming. Okay, let's be let's get there too.
Speaker 4: The Dolphins, while they've been chilling, have watched the Bills
Speaker 4: lose a couple games here and they would be two
Speaker 4: games up in the lost column on in the division.
Speaker 4: If they can win this game, it is right there
Speaker 4: in front of them for them to have a home
Speaker 4: game in the playoffs. It has been a long time
Speaker 4: for the Dolphins have a home game in the play
Speaker 4: If the Raiders, when I don't know when it was,
Speaker 4: If the.
Speaker 2: Raiders stifle Miami here, I will personally apologize to Antonio
Speaker 2: Pierce and make sure that clip gets the Raiders headquarters.
Speaker 3: All right, Greg snakes to you, Okay, I am going
Speaker 3: to take what? Am I going to take? Bears and Lions. Actually,
Speaker 3: that's a pretty good game.
Speaker 4: With Justin Field's returning seven and a half points for
Speaker 4: the Lions at home, that feels about right. This is
Speaker 4: a team that you can't really trust their offense, I
Speaker 4: mean defense on a week to week basis, like are
Speaker 4: they going to get enough pressure? Justin Fields had been
Speaker 4: playing better. It's easy to forget, but he had those
Speaker 4: two big games in a row right before he got hurt, right,
Speaker 4: and they've looked better as a team in general. They're
Speaker 4: good at stopping the run. They've been more competitive when
Speaker 4: other teams get back to pass. In terms of their
Speaker 4: pass rush, not great, but they add Montes wet and competitive.
Speaker 4: Even with Tyson Bagen at quarterback, they win a couple
Speaker 4: of games.
Speaker 3: So this is a division matchup.
Speaker 4: These two sides, they know each other pretty well from
Speaker 4: the eber Fluse matchups a year ago. And I want
Speaker 4: to see Fields. I want to see him play well
Speaker 4: down the stretch. The Bears want to see it too,
Speaker 4: because look they're in a perfect spot. They got that
Speaker 4: Panthers pick that's going to be the quarterback, and they
Speaker 4: can go try to win games with Fields and then
Speaker 4: Fields will raise his trade value and they maybe get
Speaker 4: rid of him in the offseason. I think that's that's
Speaker 4: interesting because and it makes it sense. I mean, if
Speaker 4: they have no one or the two pick, I feel
Speaker 4: like that's what they would do.
Speaker 2: Shook such a massive final two months for the Bears.
Speaker 2: It's franchise shifting for potentially a decade because you do
Speaker 2: have to make that decision, but you also you almost
Speaker 2: like you're kind of caught in between because you need
Speaker 2: Fields to play well, and then it makes the decision
Speaker 2: probably close to impossible at the end of the year
Speaker 2: because if he plays well, then the year you're gonna
Speaker 2: bail on him at that point because you're so sure
Speaker 2: of a college player. But that could be what they're
Speaker 2: hope that's what they're hoping for. And if he conversely,
Speaker 2: if he tanks and he struggles and he gets already
Speaker 2: gets hurt again, what is Justin Field's trade value? That
Speaker 2: is a big off season storyline to watch or not there.
Speaker 6: He's interconnected.
Speaker 5: Everything's interconnected because you also have to think about if
Speaker 5: justin field struggles, they're losing more games.
Speaker 6: Your coach could be fired, your GM could be fired.
Speaker 6: Who knows who's making the pick?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: Is ownership really that confident?
Speaker 4: It would be shocked. He would have to play so
Speaker 4: well down the stretch. I think for them to not
Speaker 4: take a top two overall pick quarterback, I almost don't
Speaker 4: know what he could do. But but like I said,
Speaker 4: those two starts, it was against Denver and Washington, it
Speaker 4: was way back in weeks what is that four and five?
Speaker 4: And then he got hurt in week six against the Vikings.
Speaker 4: And this is a defense nick a little disappointing. I
Speaker 4: would say unbound certainly a defense you can throw the
Speaker 4: ball against. I think we've seen that they're just not
Speaker 4: good in the secondary. They're playing Cameron Sutton and Tracy
Speaker 4: Walker at safety and Jacob's like guys I.
Speaker 5: Liked though, Okay, I liked the way they played that.
Speaker 5: They just haven't lived up to this year. Yeah, it's
Speaker 5: not working. It's just not And I look at their
Speaker 5: scores and they're the volatility is pretty big, just depending
Speaker 5: on opponent, and I have a hard time figuring out
Speaker 5: why Aiden Hutchinson. He's either making a big difference or
Speaker 5: he's not like and they're just facing somebody who can
Speaker 5: handle him.
Speaker 4: It's I feel like he's always himself, but he needs help.
Speaker 4: And he's not like Miles Garrett. I know he was
Speaker 4: a top two pick. He's like in the level below,
Speaker 4: like a pro bowler type, but not like Micah Parsons
Speaker 4: or anything.
Speaker 3: That's that's fine, You're happy with that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he just doesn't have to help the other side.
Speaker 6: So the Lions.
Speaker 5: I thought about this last night, guys, and I don't
Speaker 5: want to sound like a hater, but I'm gonna like hater.
Speaker 5: If you look at their schedule and who they played
Speaker 5: this year, they haven't really been tested very much. And
Speaker 5: if you look at their remaining schedule, they're not really
Speaker 5: gonna get tested very much. My biggest tests have been
Speaker 5: Kansas City and God the Ravens, and they got dominated there.
Speaker 5: And their biggest tests remaining are going to be the
Speaker 5: two games in three weeks with Minnesota in Dallas.
Speaker 3: But that's that's only sixteen.
Speaker 4: So they have this stretch which is pretty interesting coming up,
Speaker 4: where they'll be heavy favorites in every game.
Speaker 6: It's like thirteen and three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they could get their goal is because there
Speaker 2: will be those questions around them. I'm sure by the
Speaker 2: time January comes down, they'll be playing in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Can they get that bye? We'll see good. But those
Speaker 3: schedule sets up well for them.
Speaker 4: Anything else from this game, I did want to mention
Speaker 4: keep an eye on Jamison Williams.
Speaker 3: I know it was like two for eighteen last week.
Speaker 4: It wasn't much, but it was the best catch of
Speaker 4: his season on a nice kind of comeback route in
Speaker 4: the middle of the field. They had a touchdown to
Speaker 4: him that was overturned. He had that big block on
Speaker 4: the Montgomery run. And the biggest thing is Dan Campbell
Speaker 4: this week, who's been so hard on him publicly, was
Speaker 4: like very positive about He's now one of the guys.
Speaker 4: He's coming in, he's doing the work, he's consistent, you
Speaker 4: can sound he really started to sound confident in him.
Speaker 3: And we know that Gibbs is the most explosive guy
Speaker 3: in their offense.
Speaker 4: But if they can get one more explosive guy, just
Speaker 4: a little more consistent, I wouldn't be surprised if Jamo
Speaker 4: starts making some plays and is like a fantasy factor
Speaker 4: here down the.
Speaker 2: Stretch just a little bit. Okay, I mean that would
Speaker 2: be that would be big. It'd be huge for them.
Speaker 2: All right, let's close it out, Shook, there's one game left.
Speaker 6: Oh, we have the big Well, I know I have
Speaker 6: to take you. As soon as you picked the last game,
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, gross.
Speaker 5: It is Cowboys at Panthers, and it is a test
Speaker 5: of how networks decide their broadcast cruise because the Panthers
Speaker 5: at one and eight get the one of the leading
Speaker 5: crews and the Kevin Burkhardt, Greg Olsen, Aaron Anderson, Tom
Speaker 5: Renaldi group for this game.
Speaker 2: Hey, when people ask Shook, people get mad and people say,
Speaker 2: oh my god, why did the Cowboys get so much coverage?
Speaker 3: The proof is in the pudding right there.
Speaker 2: Because they know the Cowboys will do a big number,
Speaker 2: so they put a big team on the game.
Speaker 5: They know they'll sell, they know they will get eyes
Speaker 5: on the television, and then they can pitch it as well.
Speaker 5: Bryce Young's playing, and everybody wants to see Pryce ut.
Speaker 5: Anybody who's watched the Panthers this season doesn't want to
Speaker 5: see very much more of Bryce Young and Frank Reich,
Speaker 5: who's supposedly taking over play calling duties again after waffling
Speaker 5: back and forth. Nothing's gonna get any better here with
Speaker 5: that offense right now. There's too many issues personnel deficiencies.
Speaker 5: We've been over it ad nauseum. But the big test
Speaker 5: for me and I don't think it's gonna be much
Speaker 5: of a test at all. But a lot of this
Speaker 5: Cowboys run, which has included phenomenal play on the part
Speaker 5: of Dak Prescott, has been at home. They have a
Speaker 5: huge home winning streak. They have not been as good
Speaker 5: on the road. Not saying that they're gonna lose this game.
Speaker 5: I feel very confident in them because again, Dak's playing
Speaker 5: some of the best ball in a long time.
Speaker 6: But it will be an.
Speaker 5: Interesting test to go down there, Carolina, go to Charlotte.
Speaker 5: You keep pounding from the fifty to seventy five percent
Speaker 5: of the stadium that's full with fans by halftime.
Speaker 2: I wonder if Greg, if if the Panthers absorb another
Speaker 2: ugly defeat here, if we might get another episode of
Speaker 2: Tepper be talking.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's that those are been buried sometimes they've
Speaker 4: they've been so controversial. We haven't even released some episodes
Speaker 4: of temper Be talking.
Speaker 2: We've had a holster some epps of temper be talking.
Speaker 2: But yeah, maybe we get one in the next few days.
Speaker 4: I suspect Tepper be talking to to Frank Reich about
Speaker 4: about what was going on, and maybe that's why the
Speaker 4: off he's taken the play calling back.
Speaker 3: It's it's depressing. It really haunts me.
Speaker 2: The still the press conference from a month or so
Speaker 2: ago when Frank Reich said he has constant conversations where
Speaker 2: Tepper be talking and they're hard conversations and they're unpleasant conversations.
Speaker 2: And now you have the play callers switch over, and
Speaker 2: now the switch through is back, and this is has
Speaker 2: all the markings of a want and done tenure for
Speaker 2: Frank Reich, a man who deserves better. And you know what,
Speaker 2: look at it the positive way, GREGI he will be
Speaker 2: scooped up by a team if you would like to
Speaker 2: stay on the coaching sidelines as an OC, and sure
Speaker 2: enough you'll see him on the sidelines at a big
Speaker 2: playoff game playing a key role. But right now it
Speaker 2: feels like he's just gonna have to go down with
Speaker 2: this ship because it's just not working, especially set against
Speaker 2: the backdrop of Stroud's historic success in Houston.
Speaker 4: Well, now all you gotta do is play the Cowboys
Speaker 4: defensive line this weekend.
Speaker 3: Good luck with that.
Speaker 4: You mentioned Rico Daubtel, Like, is the timeshare coming? I
Speaker 4: mean I think I think it came.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's happening. Yeah, he was donning. Really
Speaker 3: it really is.
Speaker 4: McCarthy said. He was quoted as saying he wants guys
Speaker 4: who can run angry. Oh, no, runs angry.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think that. I don't think it's
Speaker 3: a no no situation. It's fine, it is. It's you know,
Speaker 3: maybe he's not hitting that hole as hard as he needs. Follered. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's they expected him to be a star this
Speaker 3: year and it has not worked out for them. But
Speaker 3: you know what this is. The Texas Coast offense has
Speaker 3: been okay otherwise.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right, and this is one of the tiniest
Speaker 5: backfields in the NFL, and they just haven't really produced.
Speaker 6: But it's kind of fun to just sit back and think,
Speaker 6: all right, who else is it? Douce Faun, is it
Speaker 6: Tony Pollard, is it Rigo Dabdell? Who's gonna do it?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 6: The group hasn't really produced, but we'll get there.
Speaker 4: I think it's another week that because of the matchup.
Speaker 4: It's like, let's keep getting cooked some numbers. Let's keep
Speaker 4: getting gallups some numbers. The Cowboys have been so dominant
Speaker 4: against these poor sisters of the NFL that they can
Speaker 4: like just work on getting people like more confident and
Speaker 4: like work on different parts of their game.
Speaker 3: It's pretty incredible. Ceedee lamb, Let's see what he does.
Speaker 3: Keep that heater going.
Speaker 2: Cowboys getting ten and a half in this one, all right,
Speaker 2: before we say goodbye. Earlier in the show, I Greg
Speaker 2: and I had a really tender moment in which he
Speaker 2: lamented something that he didn't bring up in an earlier show,
Speaker 2: and then I brought it up here and it.
Speaker 3: Just showed that how he had each other's back.
Speaker 2: So I decided to put up the high five, and
Speaker 2: then let's watch the replay because it got great.
Speaker 3: He's very uncomfortable. You said high five, so that's but
Speaker 3: why did you go for the high five? Whoa?
Speaker 2: We almost had to blur this out. That is that
Speaker 2: is a borderline. Why are you look at that big
Speaker 2: meat hook?
Speaker 3: Why are you high five in your little son there?
Speaker 3: Who is that? Who are those baby hands in there
Speaker 3: with you? That's it shook. You did it.
Speaker 2: You've said it all and you've done it all, and
Speaker 2: we could not appreciate you more.
Speaker 6: I appreciate you, guys. Thanks for entrusting me with a
Speaker 6: role in this draft and to be on this episode.
Speaker 6: And as always, it's a blast chat in football with you.
Speaker 3: He's bringing the backwards hat back too. Oh yeah, look
Speaker 3: at that. I didn't even it.
Speaker 5: You gotta see how this looks on me. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: don't wear dad the dad had the curve bill very well,
Speaker 5: not not great.
Speaker 3: Better. I'm really wearing it because I don't know anything.
Speaker 6: I didn't shaved my head.
Speaker 4: I think you look great either way. But yeah, it
Speaker 4: definitely gives off kind of dad at the soccer game vibe.
Speaker 6: That's us now.
Speaker 2: You look hip and young and ready to dominate in
Speaker 2: a way that few people can even understand or fathom.
Speaker 3: Shook.
Speaker 2: Thank you, buddy, and thank you everybody for listening to
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