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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to What Future. I'm your host, Joshua Tepolski,

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Speaker 1: and I have to admit something to everyone listening. Gotta

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Speaker 1: tell you something. It's not something I talk about a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's not something that I like to put out there

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Speaker 1: very much. It's very private. But I'm a gamer. You know,

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Speaker 1: some people might not know that about me, But I

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Speaker 1: like video games and I play them on a regular basis,

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Speaker 1: and you know, to be honest with you, I have

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Speaker 1: not gotten much of a chance on this podcast to

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Speaker 1: talk about my love of gaming and my status as

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Speaker 1: an official gamer in the landscape of other gamers, and

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Speaker 1: so I was hoping and thinking for a long time

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Speaker 1: about having someone on who I could really get into

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Speaker 1: it with about video games, both past, present and future.

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Speaker 1: So the man that immediately came to mind is Washington

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Speaker 1: Post journalist Gene Park, who is hilarious on Twitter and

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Speaker 1: other social media platforms and is super smart and interesting

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Speaker 1: when it comes to I would say adult commentary on

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Speaker 1: video games, because there's a lot of commentary and video games.

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Speaker 1: It's not that it's not adult, but it's not quite

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Speaker 1: at the level that I desire my video game commentary

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Speaker 1: to be. That said, there's also a lot of great

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Speaker 1: video game journalism out there, and a lot of great

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Speaker 1: ethics and video game journalism, which I'm excited about always.

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Speaker 1: So we got Gene. We said, well, you do the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I didn't do any of this. This is my producers

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Speaker 1: and Jean said, yes, I guess, and so we got

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Speaker 1: him here to talk about game and all sorts of

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Speaker 1: other stuff, but mostly about video games. So I'm very

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Speaker 1: excited about this. I have a feeling that we're going

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Speaker 1: to connect on a deep level and I want to

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Speaker 1: get into it. So let's go. So first off, I

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Speaker 1: think we follow each other on a variety of social networks.

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Speaker 1: Have we ever met in person?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't believe so, and I believe this is

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Speaker 2: the first time we're actually talking face to face, so

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Speaker 2: with our voices. Josh, nice to meet you. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: nice to meet you too. And I really love following you.

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Speaker 1: I think you're a person who first off, you're like

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Speaker 1: a poster, you know, like you know how to post,

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Speaker 1: like you're like an original poster. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: long you've been like in journalism. I think it's been

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Speaker 1: a pretty long time. Like I want to say, your

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Speaker 1: career in journalism is significantly longer than mine. When did

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Speaker 1: you start, like as a journalist.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've been posting since high school in the mid nineties, right, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: so that's where my posting abilities come from. I'm originally

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Speaker 2: from the Pacific Island and American territory of Guam. And

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Speaker 2: in Guam during the nineties, there was one chat room

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Speaker 2: was going to congregate and talk and gossip and flirt

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Speaker 2: and whatever.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And when I was in high school, I was the

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Speaker 2: moderator of that chat room.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I had the entire nation of Guam like

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Speaker 1: Who knows that's a huge amount of power. I actually

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Speaker 1: That's crazy, like for all of Guam. I think that's

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Speaker 1: very impressive. Pittsburgh didn't have a lot of like there

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Speaker 1: and whatever. There was like Prodigy and AOL and and

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Speaker 1: a Rama, tell your Mama, which I thought was frankly,

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Speaker 1: an incredible troke of genius. Anyhow, but I get it.

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Speaker 1: I was online at a very young age, way too young,

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Speaker 1: I think I was on the first time I was

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Speaker 1: actually on the internet, I was like twelve. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how old you are, and I'm not, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not going to force you to tell me.

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Speaker 1: But I'm forty one. Okay, Oh you're a little younger

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Speaker 1: than me. I'm forty five, and so I've been online

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Speaker 2: I'm not even sure I was online in twelve. So

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Speaker 2: you were online longer, and you've been a live longer too.

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Speaker 1: I have been a live longer. That is a fact.

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Speaker 1: You can't this irrefutable unless you talk to like RFK Junior,

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Speaker 2: But to answer your original question, I started journalism right

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Speaker 1: And that's how long I've been working, so twenty years.

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Speaker 1: So twenty years. Yeah, so I think that's probably. I

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Speaker 1: so like at end gadget. So anyhow long and short

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Speaker 1: is you're great at posting, and I like following you.

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Speaker 1: I've been obviously like Twitter now sucks and it's horrible

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Speaker 1: humanly possible. But one thing that you do that I

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Speaker 1: really enjoy is you engage with people, which is great.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like obviously can sometimes be to

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Speaker 1: your detriment, but like you know, you will you know,

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Speaker 1: answer people who are I feel like, kind of being

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Speaker 1: because there are a lot of asses on Twitter. And

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Speaker 1: you also like just talk about stuff and like you

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Speaker 1: post stuff that's like very like real and honest about

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Speaker 1: like you know, personal stuff, but also like your thoughts

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Speaker 1: enjoy it and I followed you for a long time

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Speaker 1: and it's always strange, like to like finally like talk

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Speaker 1: I think I know you, Like I know a bunch

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Speaker 1: we don't really know each other. We don't know what

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Speaker 1: in real life and they would pretty much say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you seem to be what I expected, and that's what

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Speaker 1: I hope for. I'm an elder millennial, right like you?

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Speaker 1: So or you, I guess you're gen X. I'm gen X. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But like gen X and millennial, I guess right. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But I have no energy to put up a persona online.

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Speaker 2: I can't be another character online, you know. Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: character that you see is the character that you get.

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Speaker 2: I'm if I seem loud, I'm actually loud in real life.

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Speaker 2: If I seem a little shy, and that's what I

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Speaker 2: feel like being shy in real life. Right, It's pretty much.

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Speaker 1: What what do you expect? So, yeah, no, I think

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Speaker 1: that's actually like, I think that is a generational thing

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Speaker 1: I kind of don't feel like engaging. It's like, God,

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Speaker 1: the idea of like, I don't know, are you on threads?

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Speaker 2: I think I follow you are Actually you probably follow

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Speaker 2: each other. I'm not really active there right now.

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Speaker 1: But right are you? Like? Oh god, now I have

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Speaker 1: to like do threads? Like is that a thing that

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Speaker 2: I'm before I cover video games, I want to have

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Speaker 2: been covering video games for three years. So just to

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Speaker 2: be clear, a lot of people think that I've been

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Speaker 2: in the games industry for a long time. We're covering

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Speaker 1: You've only been doing for three years.

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Speaker 2: It's only been three years, just like two and a

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Speaker 2: But before that, I was a social media and audience

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Speaker 2: I'm glad I'm not at that job anymore is because

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Speaker 2: I can't keep up with all these platforms anymore. You know,

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Speaker 2: TikTok is one that I've just given up on. It's

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Speaker 1: And you have to like produce video for it. Like

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Speaker 1: make a video, you know, being self promotional on video too, right, Yes, no,

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Speaker 1: it's very cringe in my in my opinion, there's just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, me too. I have a lot of friends

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Speaker 2: my age on TikTok and I'm watching them and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I really like your content, and

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Speaker 2: I don't know if everybody works. You know, It's it's

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Speaker 1: It's it's wild when you like see somebody that you

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Speaker 2: Like, oh yeah, and it's like, I know you don't

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Speaker 1: Right, It's like I got a life this now, because

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Speaker 1: actually very curious now. I thought, for some reason, you've

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Speaker 1: I feel like your voice on it is very authoritative.

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Speaker 1: I think like you have really interesting commentary and sort

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Speaker 1: be you know, I mean, I think I assume it

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Speaker 1: goes out saying that you're a lifelong gamer. Am I am?

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Speaker 2: I correct and understanding that. Yeah, thanks for saying that.

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Speaker 2: It's funny that you say that, because earlier today I

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Speaker 2: Post interns. One of my biggest pieces of advice. Well,

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Speaker 2: they were asking me why I sound so authoritative, And

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Speaker 2: part of that is because of my long history of

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Speaker 2: just reporting in other topics crime courts, local city council,

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Speaker 2: state government, and transportation, education, right, a lot of factual

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Speaker 2: a lifelong gamer, so so if I'm authoritative on something

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Speaker 2: like fucking traffic or something, imagine how authoritative I might

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Speaker 2: sound if it's something that I actually like and I've

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Speaker 1: Right the FTC is there's some have they already countered

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Speaker 1: You know, so so Activision Blizzard King Is that the

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Speaker 2: The king part is important because the king part is

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Speaker 1: Right, They're really good. They're really good. Okay, so they're

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Speaker 2: There's no good guys, there's no real good guys in

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Speaker 1: No, they're still good guys. I mean I just feel like, well,

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Speaker 2: I guess the probably with Microsoft is that it's been very,

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Speaker 1: Right.

434
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Speaker 2: Microsoft doesn't really have anything anything like that. They have Halo.

435
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 2: They did a show, Yeah, and they did the show

436
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 2: which was not great. Yeah, well the paramount says that

437
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 2: it did. Okay, So it's like okay, I'm sure, but

438
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 2: the Halo characters are really dumb. I'm sorry, Like, who's

439
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 2: the main guy, master Chief. It's a really dumb character.

440
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 2: It's like a it's like a marine. First off, it's

441
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 2: like it's like a military guy and you like don't

442
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 2: see him.

443
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Speaker 1: He's always like war. He's like you.

444
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,120
Speaker 2: Always talking about war, like the people fighting. Yeah, he's

445
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 2: not supposed to be anything or anybody. He's supposed to

446
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,360
Speaker 2: be an average He's right, you're supposed to imprint yourself

447
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 2: on this idea. He's got a hood, like he's always

448
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,680
Speaker 2: wearing a mirrored mask or whatever, like helmet, and you're

449
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 2: just supposed to be like, this could be anybody. I mean,

450
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 2: he obviously is like, you know, tough military bro or whatever.

451
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, and then the show was like, actually, know

452
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,119
Speaker 2: he's this guy and he also has sex.

453
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 1: You know, so isn't he Isn't he different from you? Oh? Really?

454
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 2: They showed they showed his face. They show his face

455
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 2: numerous times. That was a huge controversy, the fact that

456
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 2: they showed that that he can't keep his helmet off.

457
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Speaker 1: And I don't mind it.

458
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it makes sense for the

459
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Speaker 2: for the guy to keep his helmet off.

460
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 1: But it was a huge deal.

461
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 2: But then I was fine with this the show until

462
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 2: he took his like the rest of his armor off

463
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Speaker 2: to have sex.

464
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Speaker 1: And I was like, right, okay, you think he should

465
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Speaker 1: have kept the armor on, but just removed the pelvic area.

466
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think he should have had sex. It

467
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Speaker 3: completely ruins completely well master Chief. Does master Chief not

468
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Speaker 3: have desires? Does he not deserve love? I mean, he's

469
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Speaker 3: got to ask yourself.

470
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Speaker 2: Because he does. But he has sex with a prisoner

471
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Speaker 2: of war in the story.

472
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Speaker 1: Oh that's inappropriate, that's not cool, like his prisoner, it's

473
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Speaker 1: his prisoner.

474
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's consensual, but the balance.

475
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Speaker 1: Of power, you know, Okay, Yeah, I feel like that's

476
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: not a good way to start a relationship. I would

477
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Speaker 1: at least wait till they're out and free, and then

478
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 1: if they come back and they're like, hey, you know what,

479
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 1: I thought we had something while I was a prisoner,

480
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 1: then maybe let them take the initiative. But uh, okay,

481
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: well that raises many questions. Certainly, I now feel like

482
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Speaker 1: I really want to see Master Chief's face and also

483
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 1: hopefully his nude body. I definitely am interested in. Yeah,

484
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 1: his but okay, master chiefs but just fully out there.

485
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Speaker 1: So actually, but it's a character. I'm sorry, like you're

486
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Speaker 1: comparing it, like you're saying, that's a franchise they have, right, sure,

487
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,199
Speaker 1: if master Chief is the most like relatable character that

488
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Speaker 1: Microsoft has created, it's kind of like, yeah, like this

489
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 1: is sort of hits your point home, right, like exactly,

490
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Speaker 1: they can't there where? Who's there super Mario? Yeah? You know? Yeah,

491
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: I mean you look at Mario.

492
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 2: He has so much personality, you know everything about him.

493
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 2: You know, he's a working class hero. You know, he

494
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 2: likes to eat, he looks very happy. There's a lot

495
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 2: you can read from him just by looking at him.

496
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Speaker 2: And then when Master Chief it's like, oh, he's a soldier.

497
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Speaker 1: Guy, he likes I would do it. He likes to eat,

498
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Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean, I actually I don't I know.

499
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: He likes to eat. He doesn't apparently like mushrooms. Now,

500
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: according to the movie, the film is canon. A lot

501
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: of canon changes in the film. From what I can tell,

502
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: a lot of things that are introduced. I don't want

503
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 1: to give any spoilers, but I watched the movie with

504
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,239
Speaker 1: my daughter Zelda. She loved it. I've been telling people, like,

505
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: there's a really interesting this is as much as I'll

506
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: say about it, there's a really interesting thing in the

507
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: film about the Italian, about Mario's Italian accent. That's all

508
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: I'll say. But I found it to be quite shocking. Frankly, Yeah,

509
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 1: and I don't know if that's a controversial point that

510
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: people have been talking about. But anyhow, sorry, So Microsoft

511
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Speaker 1: sucks at IP. I totally interrupted you just too. I

512
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 1: don't even know what, but Microsoft sucks at IP.

513
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why they want to acquire activistion Blizzard because

514
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: has all of his other IP.

515
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Speaker 1: You know, that makes sense, And I think, like maybe

516
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 1: they need some IP because like Sony has like really

517
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,239
Speaker 1: good IP. I mean, Sony has the best shit, Like

518
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: the Last of Us is like I mean, Sony and

519
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 1: Nintendo both, but like, yeah, they've created some pretty iconic

520
00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: characters and brands, and I feel like, you know, I mean, Microsoft,

521
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 1: like why not let them take a crack at it?

522
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 1: Like maybe the unfair market is that they don't have

523
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: any cool characters that anybody cares about.

524
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Speaker 2: So well, this is a comparison I've made, I've started

525
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 2: to make recently. You think about what Microsoft is as

526
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 2: a company and what they've always been. They've never been

527
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: an entertainment company, right, They're not in a company that

528
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 2: manages IP or culture or art. You know, Sony has

529
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: Sony Pictures, Sony's Sony has been in music publishing for

530
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: for decades. Yeah, Nintendo is Nintendo, right, of course, Nintendo

531
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 2: Nintendo does when Nintendo does. Yeah, Microsoft creates operating systems, right,

532
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: it creates software.

533
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Speaker 1: It's the plumbing. And this is like Bill Gates. I

534
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: better have cited this on a recent podcast, but Bill

535
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: Gates famously there's an interview with him where he talks

536
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: about how like they don't want to be the stuff

537
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 1: you see, they want to be the plumbing. And like

538
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: that's exactly what Microsoft has created, right, Like, it's not

539
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: the character up top, It's not like every character they create, Clippy,

540
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: huge failure. They tried to be like personable with the Zoon.

541
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,239
Speaker 1: The Zooon was like had a lot of character, but

542
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: everybody hated it exactly. I'm trying to think of other

543
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: Microsoft characters. There's not a lot.

544
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a Windows Phone, you know, doesn't really

545
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: have a lot of personality there too, you know.

546
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: No horrible. I mean, I mean I actually like the

547
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: Windows Phone interface, but it was just a bunch of squares. Yeah,

548
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: I've heard it was bit it was fun and I

549
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: like the Windows interface too. I mean I'm using it

550
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: right now Xbox. Yeah.

551
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: And that's the thing about the game Pass service. It

552
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: does well, Microsoft does best. It's a really good service.

553
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: It's a really good online service. I think it could

554
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: be used by everyone, you know, very much like what

555
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: Microsoft products have been, right, But there's just nothing creative

556
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: there and that's really fueling it, you know.

557
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they need to plug in, Like essentially, like

558
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: your Netflix analogy is like Netflix only got really rose

559
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: to it's like crazy success in the period when they

560
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: started making original content and they started to have these

561
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: like yeah, huge franchises that were like everybody had to

562
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: see and like in order. I guess this is really

563
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: the idea, right, They're using this model. Like if you

564
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: look at the Netflix model, it's like you make Stranger

565
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 1: Things and House of Cards and there are other ones

566
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Speaker 1: I can't think of right now. I don't a bird box.

567
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: I have a fucking note. But you know, like if

568
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: you make these things that everybody's like you got to

569
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: see it and you can only see it on your platform,

570
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: that's a match made and heaven right ever last year two? Right? Yeah,

571
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: it's a good game, right, I mean sort of in

572
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: a way very Apple right, where it's like the software

573
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: the hardware and it's all like walled off, like you

574
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: can only get it in this experience or whatever. But

575
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: it's it's it's like a monopoly of ecosystems, right, Like

576
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: everybody wants you in their system and in their world

577
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 1: and wants to like wants you to pay for it

578
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: and wants to give you the best stuff so you

579
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: never leave, or give you stuff that you want so

580
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: you never leave. I mean it makes a lot of

581
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: sense in that regard. But like they're gonna need a

582
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: lot more than just like a couple of game companies,

583
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: right like Microsoft, Yeah one, they need like a lot

584
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: of IP to really make that, like like Sony produces

585
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: like like the Spider Man IP is theirs, right, Like

586
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: they have Spider Man and that's like the first party

587
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: thing that they're producing.

588
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: Like I love a synergy with the movies and the

589
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 2: game too.

590
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, right exactly. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean it makes

591
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: sense for them. I mean xboxes. I had a series

592
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: X and I is that the new one Series X

593
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: that was called Ye, that's the new one. I had it.

594
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: I hadn't I had. I never opened it, and I

595
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: we'd ended up doing like a giveaway with it at

596
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: one of my one of my websites because I was like, yeah,

597
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: I have a PC and I have a PlayStation in

598
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: the PlayStation five, and I'm like, Xbox, if you have

599
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: a decent PC, you're fo Yeah, I have a My

600
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: PC kicks ass. I literally like built my PC in

601
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: preparation for Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven.

602
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: That's a whole other Oh man, I love that game.

603
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that game too. Only elden Ring has

604
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: topped my playtime on a game. Oh totally. I've actually

605
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: only recently done the thing that I think people normally do,

606
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 1: where you actually I probably played Fallout three more than

607
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: both of those games. But that's it.

608
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Speaker 2: That's at a time when I wasn't. I had a

609
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: huge affinity for Fallout three. When I first moved to

610
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: DC in twenty fifteen. The first thing, the very first

611
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: thing I did when I moved to DC, was I

612
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: put on my my head my headphones, and I walked

613
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: around listening to the Fallout three soundtrack just to come yes, dude,

614
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: relived that experience in real life.

615
00:27:59,760 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: It was.

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00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: It was awesome because Fallout three, for people who don't

617
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: know it, takes place at a post apocalyptic Washington, DC.

618
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: So I'm walking around to the city, I'm like, Wow,

619
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 2: it really is like the game, you know.

620
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has like really pretty like well crafted map

621
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: points that are like if you if you go to

622
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: DC like and look at them, they're like, oh yeah,

623
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: like that's exactly what it looks like. But in Fallout

624
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: obviously even re created the metros. Yeah no, it's awesome,

625
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: And I mean I spent so much time playing Follow

626
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: three and anyhow. Okay, so so right, but Fallout three

627
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: that that is that's a long time ago. But yeah, no,

628
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm cyberpunk. This is. We could talk about that for

629
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: for for hours, but that's true. I mean we really,

630
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: we really could. But yeah, like let's talk about Nintendo

631
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: for a second, because it is interesting to me, like

632
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: when they announced the Wii. First off, like there was

633
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: a period where Nintendo kind of wasn't and maybe I'm

634
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: maybe this is just my perception of it, but I

635
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: feel like there was a period like post s NES

636
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: or SNATS as some people might refer to, which I

637
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: think is wrong, but you know whatever, to each its own,

638
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: there was I feel like there was a period where

639
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: there was like, yes, Nintenda was releasing game systems and

640
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: they were doing okay, but they none of them really

641
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: seemed to be like the thing that everybody played I

642
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: feel like it was like when the PlayStation. When PlayStation

643
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: came into existence, everybody's attention shifted to PlayStation. Like all

644
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: the people I knew and all the people that I

645
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: gamed with were like we were playing like Metal Gear

646
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,719
Speaker 1: and like whatever that first gen you know, like Silent

647
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: Hill and all that stuff, and it was like we

648
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: were like, Okay, this is it, this is the next thing.

649
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: And I feel like for a while there, Nintendo wasn't

650
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: that competitive with them. Is that by the way, Is

651
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: that my perception or is that.

652
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: Like that's true? And you know, for people ton't know,

653
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: that was an issue of format. Nintendo didn't want to

654
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: use CDs as the medium to deliver games, whereas PlayStation,

655
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: which originally developed the PlayStation of Fort Nintendo, until Nintendo decided, nah,

656
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: it's crazy. That's why Sony decided to say, okay, well

657
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: we made this whole video game system with CDs, we

658
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: might as well just release it and call it the PlayStation.

659
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 2: And that'll happened. And it was really an issue of format. So,

660
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: like you know, Final Fantasy sixteenes came up, but Final

661
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: and Fantasy seven came out on the PlayStation because it

662
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: had the CD format. They could not make Final Fantasy

663
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: seven Middle Gear Solid on the Nintendo sixty four, which

664
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: was in a very limited cartridge format totally. There's not

665
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: a lot of space for audio, there's a lot of

666
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: space for video, there's not a lot of memory space

667
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: for like three D three D imagery, whereas.

668
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: The PlayStation did right. So, and this was also at

669
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: a time when CD ROMs were very prevalent, like in

670
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: the computing world. It wasn't like it was a weird

671
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: new format that nobody had ever heard of. It was

672
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: like very common if you were a computer user to

673
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: encounter like the Encarta CD or whatever, you know, like

674
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: or whatever it is you we put on CDs. So like, yeah,

675
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: that's interesting. But Nintendo, So this is sort of what

676
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: I was going to get to, is that they are

677
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: always doing this thing where they're like rejecting the kind

678
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: of status quo, Like they're rejecting this idea. Like I

679
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: think there was a real conceit across the board in

680
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: the video game industry at that time, because I feel

681
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: like that was right around the era of like three

682
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: D Oero and Jaguar, which actually was cartridge base but

683
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: I think it had a CD adapter Turbographics is probably

684
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: it's like last the generation before it. My favorite game

685
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: system the Turbo Graphics also known as the PC Engine,

686
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: but that had a CD adapter and like I think,

687
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: and then eventually the Turbo Duo, which was just a

688
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: single unit with the CD but in the Sega CD obviously,

689
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: and there was a real like conceit amongst all the

690
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: seemingly all of the companies that like CDs were the

691
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: thing and you needed to go to CD, and Nintenda

692
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: was like, no, we're not going to do that, and

693
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: then they did. Actually, God, now that I'm thinking it

694
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: was so weird. They're so fucking weird. Then they released

695
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: what is.

696
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: It, the N sixty four that was a cartridge that

697
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: was that wasn't when I used cartridge and that was

698
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: the beginning.

699
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: No, that was cartridge was the beginning. That's kind of

700
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: floundering period. That's Golden Eye, right, that's like the GoldenEye

701
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: GoldenEye too.

702
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like it had had great, amazing games like Goldeneye'

703
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: obviously Mario Mario Party Smashed Brothers debut on that system too.

704
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: Well. Their thing was like there their idea there was

705
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 1: like we're not going to do CDs, the games are

706
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: going to be way less complex in a way. But

707
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: the whole thing with that was we think more people

708
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: should play. It was like a group thing, right because

709
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: it had four controller inputs on the front instead of

710
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: the normal two that you saw in every other system. Right,

711
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: this is as I as we talk about it's actually

712
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: like my mind is going back to like all this

713
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: weirdness intent. It's always like everybody's doing CDs, so we

714
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: don't care about that. But what we think might be

715
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: interesting is like what if four people could play instead

716
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: of two? And then eventually they do with the game Cube.

717
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: I guess right, they do three inch I want to

718
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: say they do mini the mini CDs? Am I crazy?

719
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: ABC's I don't even know what that's called. Hold on,

720
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: what is it? I'm just going to google it right now?

721
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: Miny CDs many they're called a mini CD.

722
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: Okay, they're called a mini CD okay.

723
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: And yeah, this is a thing where Nintendo's like, hey,

724
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: you know what, CDs are cool, but not the ones

725
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: that hold all the stuff. We want the ones that

726
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: hold like half as much stuff, Like that's our thing.

727
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: And so they released the game Cube, which I'll admit

728
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: I bought. I definitely bought for a specific game, like

729
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: I want to say, maybe it was a Resident Evil title. Yeah, yeah,

730
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: I definitely bought a Dreamcast. I bought the Dreamcast. Oh

731
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: that was another CD bassist in the Dreamcast. I bought

732
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: that to play Code Veronica. And I'm really dating myself

733
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: right now. Geene, you know everything. Everything I'm talking about.

734
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: You're familiar with, correct, I know all the games. You

735
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: have very good tastes, So there's that. Yeah, thank you, Well,

736
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: I try. I have a very specific kind of taste.

737
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: There's only a few types of games that I really enjoy,

738
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: and I enjoy them heavily. I'll tell you. Oh, you

739
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: know what game I've probably played more of than any

740
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: other game is a Dead Cells. Are you Dead Cells playing? Yeah?

741
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: I love Dead Cells. Yeah, I've played Dead Cells like

742
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: more than I think any other game I've ever played.

743
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: That's another game that's actually very souls like. It's like

744
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: you have to be good at it to enjoy it.

745
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: That's a game that has the perfect mixture of you

746
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: can pick it up at any time and play it totally,

747
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: or you can sit and do a whole session for

748
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: hours and hours. But like if you can only play

749
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: for five minutes, like it's pretty enjoyable, or you want

750
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: to play for like two hours, it's enjoyable. Anyhow, Okay,

751
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: so Nintendo does this weird shit. And then when they

752
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: announced the Wii, which was like, I don't know what

753
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: year that was, two thousand, God, I don't know one,

754
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. That doesn't sound right and it doesn't matter.

755
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: They announced the Wii, and I was like, this is

756
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: fucking stupid, Like nobody wants this shit, Like nobody wants

757
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: to like stand in their living room with these things

758
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: and like pretend they're golfing or whatever. And I will say,

759
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, I don't rarely get things wrong. I'm usually

760
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: totally right about everything. But people fucking love the Wii.

761
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: Right like the we brought them back basically from this

762
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: like weird gray zone into like it became like the thing.

763
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: Am I crazy again for remembering it that way? No,

764
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: you're not, But this is most of the time. When

765
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: they started releasing the Nintendo DS, which is actually the well,

766
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: I think, the second highest selling video game like machine

767
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: of all time, just under the PlayStation two writ handheld,

768
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: they were like handheld, Yes, it was a handheld market

769
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: and the casual market of the we that really kind

770
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: of you know, relifted their fortunes basically for the rest

771
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: of the century. Okay, anyhow, But so the thing with

772
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: Nintendo is the switch. This is where I'm getting to

773
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: by the way, I know, I swear I had a point.

774
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: There's a long winded way of getting there. The switch

775
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: is like again, they announced it and I was like,

776
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, like why, Like it's like underpowered. It's

777
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: like really underpowered. Like even when they announced it, it

778
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it only does seven twenty right, that

779
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: was a big thing. It doesn't even do full HD.

780
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: It only does and correct me if I'm wrong, but

781
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: it is only seven to twenty max right on the

782
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: handheld device.

783
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could go up to trinity on the screen

784
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: on the TV, which is decent. Right, that's definitely not

785
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: four K. It can't hit four K at all.

786
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: So no, Well, there was a lot of controversy about

787
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: them even doing it like HD. I remember there was

788
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: I feel like there was some era where like they

789
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't like the WI wasn't HD.

790
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we was not HHD. I think that only

791
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: went up to four I think they only went up

792
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: to like four eighty I and then We You was

793
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: the first. Yeah, actual, HD completely forgot about the WU

794
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: and let me say so, I just connected the mine

795
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: back up actually just the other day, dude.

796
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: So I found mine in a box like a month ago,

797
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: and I was like, I should put this, I should

798
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: hook this back up. So I bought the w U

799
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: because of Zombie U. Yeah, that's a great game, which

800
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: I thought looked like the dopest fucking game in the world.

801
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: And I have to say, to this day one of

802
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: the greatest, one of the greatest games ever made, particularly

803
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: on the WU because of the way they used the controller.

804
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: But I've actually played it. I've actually played on a

805
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: bunch of different like I have it on my PC,

806
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: and like it's like one of the best zombie games.

807
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: I feel like it has not gotten like the cred

808
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: that it deserves or the or the love that it deserves.

809
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: We haven't given Zombie You as its flowers as a

810
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: culture because it's it's very good, Okay, We You kind

811
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 2: of was not successful, right, The WU was sort of a.

812
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: It is the worst setting Colusstle of all time. Wow.

813
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: Really definitely the worst Nendo's ever made, for sure. So

814
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: the switch comes out from what I can tell, and

815
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: you tell me if I'm wrong, because I feel like

816
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: you probably know these numbers. It seems like it's like

817
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: the biggest selling like game console of all time or something.

818
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: Am I am? I crazier saying that it's number three

819
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: right now.

820
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so they're gunning to replace the Nintendo DS, and

821
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: it seems that they're going to hit, right, it's still

822
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: a question of whether they're going to hit the one

823
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty four million that the PlayStation two sold.

824
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: Oh, that's the biggest selling of all time. The PlayStation

825
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: two is the biggest selling of all time.

826
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: And a big factor that is the fact that it

827
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 2: was the cheapest DVD player on the market at the time.

828
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 2: So if you wanted to watch movies at home, that's amazing.

829
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: Light as well just buy a PlayStation two because it's

830
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: way way because remember when DVD players were like three

831
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: hundred four hundred bucks for some reason.

832
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: Yes, I do, I definitely do remember that. I mean

833
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: it's crazy, crazy to think, yeah, anyhow.

834
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, the switches catch you up though. The switches

835
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 2: catch you up right, and it's still selling a bunch.

836
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: It's telling a bunch and it's like and it's like

837
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: it's like Nintendo's that does this thing that I'm like

838
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 1: so sort of I'm so confused by it. I don't

839
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: understand why it works to a degree. Like they keep

840
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: going like, hey, do you like super Mario, Like remember

841
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: that Super Mario game you loved as a kid? Super

842
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: Mario two or whatever. They're like, we rebate it. It's

843
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: the same game, but it's like better and it's for

844
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: the new system, and people are like, oh my god,

845
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 1: they're fucking lining up for it. And that's the same

846
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: thing they do with Pokemon, Like all the time they're like, hey,

847
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: remember the Pokemon you loved as a teen, Now you're thirty,

848
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: and we remade it for the switch, and like it

849
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: just seems like it shouldn't work, like right, Like it's

850
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: like it's like the Marvel movies. Now people are kind

851
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: of like, eh, I'm okay, I'm like I've seen these all.

852
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm good.

853
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: Still playing Pokemon as a forty year old, you know, yes, yes,

854
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: But what's more insane is not just that you're playing it.

855
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 2: My guess is recently, pretty recently, you've played a game

856
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: that was like it's a remade version of a game

857
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: that you played already, right, yeah.

858
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: I mean that's a bunch of games. But the Pokemon

859
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: franchise in particular is like they're always like.

860
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the Pokemon would would just remake

861
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: remakes basically you know so.

862
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: Right, and you think it shouldn't work, and like it

863
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: always does, and I don't understand, like it, like, what

864
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: is it about Nintendo? What is it about them that

865
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: allows them to have these notions? Like do you have

866
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: any understanding of how it is they come up with

867
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: these like weird, left of center kind of ideas that

868
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: just somehow like really connect with with humans.

869
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: I think that they always focus on the concept of play.

870
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: So you look at Zelda, Tiers of the Kingdom and

871
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: other games are talking about, oh, how can I get

872
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: powered up? Or how how can I feel more powerful

873
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: or have more combos or moves and stuff like that, right, yeah,

874
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: that's every other game, whereas in Zelda, Zelda asks you,

875
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: see what happens when you put this square into the

876
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: square hole and see how how good that feels? You know, right,

877
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: it's basically that old TikTok you know. It's now, see

878
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: what happens when you put a triangle in a square hole.

879
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh my god, that's a great that's a great.

880
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: Wait is that is that a vine? Actually? I think

881
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: it was.

882
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: I think it was a TikTok. It's it feels a

883
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: as old as of mine for sure.

884
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know what I was talking about. That.

885
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely an old TikTok. But it's like very

886
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: simple concepts that are very easy to understand. You know,

887
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 2: build the sea saw, I see how the seesaw works.

888
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: So there's a primal instinct of they have this connection

889
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: on the concept of play that I think a lot

890
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: of other companies still are forgetting. And that's why they

891
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: focus so much on cartridges back then, because they figured

892
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: that the loading times of the CDs would get in

893
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: the way of the play, because nobody wants to just

894
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: sit around and wait until the game starts up.

895
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: Again. Turns out we do, yeah, but you know, we do.

896
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: We turns out we will pretty much spend like a

897
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: pretty good segment of our lives waiting for shit to load.

898
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: And it's only recently that we are now, Like only today, really,

899
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: I feel like, have we gotten to a point where

900
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: you can play a game pretty much the whole time

901
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: and never have it load, which is they's spent over

902
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: twenty years and we finally got to this point. You know,

903
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing, I will say.

904
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: But well, Mario's creator also says, you know, he says

905
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: he never plays any other games, so there's kind of

906
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: like a tunnel vision there, like he only plays Mario.

907
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: He just doesn't play games, I guess, and he just

908
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: has ideas. You know, I don't know how much he

909
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: is really into making games these days, because he's over seventy.

910
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: He mostly oversaw like the creation of like well, the

911
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: Mario movie and also the theme park in Universal Studios too,

912
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: so he's.

913
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: Been doing you're talking about a shagear. The creative Mario Manzilda.

914
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 1: So I met him at CS when I was thirteen.

915
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: My dad took me to CS in Chicago and he

916
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 1: was there. Oh man, I met him and he signed

917
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: my badge and drew Mario on it. Okay, and some

918
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: I believe somewhere in my parents' house is that fucking badge.

919
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: And I'm I would really like to find it, and

920
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: I'd like to get up. I'm like, I like, I'm

921
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: not not to sell it or something, because I think

922
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: it would be fucking amazing, you know, like to frame

923
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: or whatever. We've talked about a lot of things. I

924
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: feel like I rambled us into some weird territory, but

925
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: I'd like to get from you a little bit of

926
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: presaging about the future of video games. I'll start with

927
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: some simple things, and then I'll take it into a

928
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: more complicated space. First off, are there any games that

929
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: are coming out in the near future that you are

930
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: particularly excited about and feel like are going to be

931
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: particularly interesting or good.

932
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: This is gonna be an obvious answer, but I'm definitely

933
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: looking forward to the next pathestic game, Starfield.

934
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: Right.

935
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: Are you worried that it's going to be a No

936
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: Man's Sky situation? I am worried that the game will

937
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: be a lot simpler than I think it appears to be.

938
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 2: And that's partially because Fallout four came out and they

939
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: simplified so many things from Fallout three, which is why

940
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 2: I still look at Fallout three so much more favorably.

941
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: I agree, so they.

942
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: Had more systems going on, it was mu much more

943
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: of a role playing game. Fallout four really simplified, like

944
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: the decisions you make. They used to be very multifaceted,

945
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,959
Speaker 2: and then Fallout four they became very binary. So they've

946
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 2: been trending that way for why for the last decade

947
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: or so. So I'm worried that Starfield is going to

948
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: be the culmination of that that's trimming down of every

949
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: role playing aspect. But they seem to be promising a lot.

950
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 2: But then the issue is that Todd Howard, the director

951
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: of but As the Studios, has been a little you know,

952
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: I respect him a lot, I love him, but he's

953
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: also a bit of a charlatan, you know, and he

954
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: just he just says things, you know, and it doesn't

955
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: come out to be exactly true. So I'm really really

956
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: fascinated interested to see whether there are actually a thousand

957
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 2: planets that the game promises that you can fly around

958
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: in and explore.

959
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeh see. See. When I hear that, I'm like, it's

960
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: too many planets, Like I feel like one of the

961
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: problems with the game too lately for me is like

962
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: there's too much going on, there's so much to do

963
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: that I'm like, I don't know what to do here,

964
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: Like there's too much, too many options, you know. Yeah,

965
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: I will say you were talking about the new Zeuda

966
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: which is called Tiers of the Kingdom, right, is that

967
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: the subtitle. I haven't played it yet because I haven't

968
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: finished Breath of the Wild, which is a whole thing.

969
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I never got into Bath of

970
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: the Wild. I would just go to Teers of the

971
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 1: Kingdom lodency first.

972
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: It's fine, really, you think I can just jump into it.

973
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 2: About the narrative, the story barely matters. I think the

974
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 2: game like barely remembers Breath of the Wild happened. And

975
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: that's been kind of a meme right where like you know,

976
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: people are like, oh, where does Tears are king of

977
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: fit in the timeline? And people are like, I don't

978
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: know if it even fits on the timeland and Breath

979
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: of the Wild because it barely mentions the Breath of

980
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: the Wild. Right, So I think you can go to

981
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: Tiers in Kingdom feeling pretty good about yourself.

982
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: So just cool, there's it's a much better good. Okay,

983
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: All right, Well you've I mean i've I mean I've

984
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: been watching people's videos, like not too much because I

985
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: don't want spoil it, but what it does, what it's

986
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: doing looks like so much fun and so creative and

987
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: like just like crazily creative. I'm like, god, this is

988
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: such a Nintendo move. It just feels like everybody's zigging

989
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: and they zag and where they zag is just like

990
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: a crazy, like super fun, playful thing. Like to your

991
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: point about play. By the way, we forgot that Microsoft

992
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: owns Minecraft, which or I forgot to mention it, but

993
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: that's a huge franchise for them. Like Minecraft is like

994
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: very popular, right, so I mean they have that it's

995
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: the best selling game of all time. Well, there you

996
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: have it. I mean, Microsoft, they're they're crushing it.

997
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 2: But Minecraft and Zelda, Tears and the Kingdom have a

998
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: lot of in common because, like you know, there's so

999
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: much creative a right they're building so like like several

1000
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: years ago, Minecraft was popular for you know, people was

1001
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: able to actually create a working computer inside Minecraft, right,

1002
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: And in Zelda they're actually starting to.

1003
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: Do that now too, if they realize. If you look

1004
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: up a subreddit.

1005
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: Hiro engineering, Zelda players have already gone moved on to

1006
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: fuse entanglement and quantum physic physics. No, come on, that's crazy.

1007
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: That's already happening in Zelda there, you know, I.

1008
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: Mean that's it was my first thought when I saw

1009
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: what people were doing with it. I'm like, oh, they

1010
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: kind of took the Minecraft concept. They did. I want

1011
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: to get your take on Apple's on the Vision pro Like,

1012
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: obviously there's like gaming implications. There's huge gaming implications with

1013
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: like any company who's doing VR, give me, like your

1014
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: take on that, and I guess maybe more broadly like

1015
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: VR and if you think that's like actually where gaming

1016
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: is headed.

1017
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 2: VR is interesting because people have been trying to have

1018
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 2: it for a long time and trying to make it happen.

1019
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: I keep going back to this VR conference I attended

1020
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 2: in California several years ago, and this was around the

1021
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 2: time when the Nintendo Switch and Breadth of the Wild

1022
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: came out and Zelda Breath at the while, and it

1023
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: was interesting to see all these VR creators and CEOs

1024
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: of VR companies, and they explicitly referenced Zelda. They were

1025
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 2: especially fascinated by the fact that Zelda and the Nintendo

1026
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: Switch were selling one to one. Every copy of Zelda

1027
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: would come with Nintendo Switch and vice versa, and they

1028
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: were fascinated by that and they were jealous of it.

1029
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: They were like, we're trying to sell VR hardware, but

1030
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: we have no software. That is as compelling as a

1031
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: Zelda to move actual hardware, to get consumers to spend

1032
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 2: hundreds of dollars in hardware and an adjuster living space

1033
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: around it. And they haven't found that, And I feel

1034
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: like that's still where VR is. That said, I'm really

1035
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: really excited for apples and pro. I'm a huge Apple fan.

1036
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: I have so many different Apple products and I've just

1037
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: really leaned into the wall garden aspect of Apple. I'm

1038
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 2: enjoying it, and if I could afford it, I would

1039
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 2: totally get get a vision pro. After that press conference

1040
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: happened and with Apple, I was walking around to Washington

1041
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: Post newsdroop asking various people of knowledge or of management,

1042
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: so what is her Apple vision pro strategy? Because we're

1043
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 2: getting some for the office right right?

1044
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: Are you are you? Actually? Nobody said anything. I think

1045
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: you could make it happen. I mean you could definitely,

1046
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: like someone's getting it for review there right, Like yeah,

1047
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: for sure, for hear that.

1048
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: And then we have like a bunch of VR headsets

1049
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 2: around because like you know, the Washington Puss is played

1050
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: with VR a ar like storytelling.

1051
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: I think we kind of gave up it for a while,

1052
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: but you know, well that's because it was a gimmick

1053
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: and everybody was kind of like it's.

1054
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: Exactly So, I mean, I'm sure people are watching the

1055
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: vision pro and wondering like, like, do we need Apple

1056
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 2: to have to make VR a thing?

1057
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think I think your point

1058
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: is actually really well taken. It's how you know, I've

1059
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: thought about a lot of this, having tried a ton

1060
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: of these things. I mean, I have lots of issues

1061
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: with their concept of how to do it, but like

1062
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: my big one is actually what you said, which is like,

1063
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: what's the thing, What's the app or the game or

1064
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: the experience that's so compelling that you will put this

1065
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: thing on and like tune out the world and go

1066
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: like totally immersive into it. And like, I just think

1067
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: nobody has established like I've played some very compelling and

1068
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: very immersive stuff, Like I think some of the Star

1069
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: Wars stuff they did, for like with the Quest was

1070
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: really really cool, and I told you, I'm like, oh,

1071
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Speaker 1: this is awesome, Like you just check it out. It's

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Speaker 1: super fun. But like to invest like a signific amount

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Speaker 1: of time or energy into that, like, well, first off,

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Speaker 1: VR makes me nauseous, So like I have to take

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Speaker 1: dramamine to use it. It makes me sick.

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Speaker 2: So there's also like that hurdles. Like when I played

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Speaker 2: Half Life Alex on the Steam VR, incredible game. I've

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Speaker 2: never experienced anyone like it, Like I would probably think

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Speaker 2: that that's probably the closest name to an actual killer app,

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Speaker 2: where like, anyone interested in vide games you should absolutely

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Speaker 2: try that out. But it was so realistic that I

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Speaker 2: was nauseous for about two hours.

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Speaker 1: You know. Oh wow, Like that's interesting because I bought

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Speaker 1: that game with the intention because obviously it's Half Life.

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Speaker 1: I bought that game with the intention of, like, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to play this. I just need to like get

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Speaker 1: the headset and like hook it up and whatever. And

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Speaker 1: I've never I've kind of just been like, well, I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to get into that, and so I've avoided

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Speaker 1: it completely. But I wouldn't just buy one just for it.

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Speaker 1: And that's the problem, right right exactly, That's that is

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Speaker 1: the problem. In a nutshell. Okay, Gene, I got to

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Speaker 1: let you go. Unfortunately, this is super fun. You definitely

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Speaker 1: got to come back. And frankly, we can talk about

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Speaker 1: it probably a lot of stuff, but the gaming stuff

1096
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Speaker 1: is so interesting to hear somebody with like your history

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Speaker 1: and experience, it's just like really fun to get your

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Speaker 1: perspective on it. So thank you so much for doing this,

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Speaker 1: and you know, come back soon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me and I'd love to be

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Speaker 2: back soon.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much. Well, Gene's great. I love Gene. I

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Speaker 1: got to say, and I don't know that I've ever

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Speaker 1: had in recent memory of conversation that was quite that

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Speaker 1: nerdy and in the weeds frankly about the weird video

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Speaker 1: games that I that I like. I do feel extremely

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Speaker 1: good because Jeane said that I had good taste in

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Speaker 1: video games, and I think coming from him, that's a

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Speaker 1: massive compliment. So that gives from my ego that's a

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Speaker 1: great boost, very exciting stuff. Anyhow, that is our show

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Speaker 1: for this week. We will be back next week with

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Speaker 1: more what Future, and as always, I wish you and

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Speaker 1: your family the very best.