1 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: Last episode, I talked about visiting Singapore and how it 3 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: immediately makes you wonder why our cities in America aren't 4 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: better cared for. I talked about the mentality that believes 5 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: the chaos is the price we pay for freedom, and 6 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: the apathy that creates disorder. A few people wrote that 7 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: it's a lack of patriotism that we see on display in. 8 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: All the bad. 9 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: Things kind of going on in our country, but in 10 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: particular the things that we see in our cities. And 11 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: one person said, Jessic Kelly, who had been on the 12 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: show previously, talks about this a lot. Jesse actually had 13 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: a series of tweets a few days ago about this 14 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: that I'll read to you. Jesse tweets, a genuine love 15 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: of country is the essential element to maintaining a nation. 16 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: Trials and troubles will come, but a nation full of 17 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: patriots will survive. A nation without them will not. Why 18 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: Because patriotism creates in people a sense of duty to 19 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: the nation, a sense of obligation. When the trash can 20 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: is full in my house, I take it out. Why 21 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: I could leave it? Nobody can make me take it out. 22 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: I take it out because I love and appreciate my house, 23 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: so I want to maintain it and improve it on 24 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: a bigger scale. That's patriotism. 25 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: Jesse's right. 26 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: Obviously, patriotism is at an all time low, and love 27 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: of country is so needed for a country to succeed. 28 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: I talk about that a lot. I think about that 29 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: a lot. I definitely instill it in my kids. I 30 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: think that we should be doing a better job instilling 31 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: it in the nation's kids in our schools. I think 32 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: it should be standard. But this goes beyond that. Is 33 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: Singapore very patriotic? Maybe, or maybe they have penalties for 34 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: not behaving in an orderly fashion, or more likely it's 35 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: both right, there is punishment for disorderly behavior, and again, 36 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: we largely have the same punishments here. I'm not talking 37 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: about the really far out stuff in Singapore, the caning 38 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: and whatever. I was in New York City yesterday and 39 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: all the garbage cans have a little, you know, sign 40 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: on them that say you can get one hundred dollars 41 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: fine for littering. But I have never heard of that 42 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: ever happening, and everyone knows that never actually happens. So yes, 43 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: Singapore has the penalties, but I bet that people behave 44 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: a certain way at this point and never think, oh, 45 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: I'll be punished if I don't. It translates into our 46 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: personal lives too. Your kids will be better if you 47 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: discipline them, and the idea is that you won't even 48 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: have to discipline them if you get the message across 49 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: that bad behavior has consequences. Yes, your kids will behave 50 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: because they'll be good people and they'll hopefully understand what 51 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: it's like to live in society. But they'll also behave 52 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: because you condition them to know that bad behavior has consequences. 53 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: I really think we've taken a wrong turn with our 54 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: consequence free systems and patriotism, as important as I think 55 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: it is, alone, isn't going to be enough to save us. 56 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. Email me 57 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: Carol Maarkoit Show at gmail dot com, or tweet at me. 58 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: Maybe I'll read them on a future show. How do 59 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: We Save our Culture? Coming up next in interview with 60 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: Steve Robinson. Join us after the break. Welcome back to 61 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is 62 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: Steve Robinson, Editor in Chief, of the Main Wire. 63 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: Hi Steve, Hi Carol, thanks for having me on. 64 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: So nice to see you. So we've met recently a 65 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: few months ago, and I'm going to kick it off 66 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: on a really happy note here. But one of the 67 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: first things that you said to me, you're from Maine, 68 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, so, what kind of stuff 69 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: do you write about? And you said, well, I write 70 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: about that the Chinese mafia has mostly taken over Maine. 71 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, okay, good icebreaker. It's a 72 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: good ice breaker. It works. 73 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: I hadn't heard of that. So can you tell our 74 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: audience a little bit about your work and how have 75 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: we not heard that the Chinese mafia has taken over Maine. Well. 76 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: About ten months ago, a immigration reporter who now works 77 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 2: at the New York Post, Jenny tay Tear. She published 78 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: a memo from the Department of Homeland Security that revealed 79 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 2: that there were between eight hundred and one thousand different 80 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: locations in the United States that were being used by 81 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: the Chinese mafia to grow marijuana and traffic it illegally. 82 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: The proceeds of that were being used to subsidize narcotics trafficking, 83 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: human trafficking, and some of the money was being sent 84 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: back to the People's Republic of China, according to the 85 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: leaked DHS memo, and the memo said that between two 86 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: hundred and seventy or more of those sites were actually 87 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 2: located in Maine, and being a reporter who covers things 88 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: in Maine, that immediately intrigued me, and I reached out 89 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: to Jenny and said, I want to get you up here, like, 90 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: let's go find these places. If there's two hundred and 91 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: seventy of them in Maine, I think we can probably 92 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: find them. And she wasn't able to publish, but did 93 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 2: have a list of some of the actual addresses that 94 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 2: were I guess associated with an Excel spreadsheet that was 95 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: also leaked. So we pulled up the deed information and 96 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 2: we found the owners of those properties, found some other 97 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 2: properties that they owned, and we very quickly began to 98 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: develop an understanding of what a Chinese mafia cultivation facility 99 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 2: looks like in rural Maine. And ten months later, we've 100 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: identified over three hundred of these sites and have since 101 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: we started actually naming names and posting addresses and revealing 102 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: the electricians who are doing work on these sites. There's 103 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: been over forty search at warrants executed, and I think 104 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: more than two dozen individuals have been arrested. US Attorney 105 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: has now moved to seize four of these properties. And 106 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: we've also found that the governor's brother, Paul Mills, who 107 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: is an attorney in Farmington, was the real estate title 108 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: transfer attorney for one of these properties in Kariname in 109 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: the central part of the state, and he helped transfer 110 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 2: the property into the ownership of a Chinese national actually 111 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 2: living in China. And there's no evidence, there's no evidence 112 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: that this person has ever even set foot on American soil, 113 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: but she's now the proud owner of twelve acres in 114 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: central Maine. And there's really no recourse for American law enforcement. 115 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: They'll never be able to interview the owner of a 116 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: drug trafficking facility if the owner lives in southeastern China. 117 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: So it's a vast, vast criminal conspiracy with multiple different organizations. 118 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: They kind of work in an uneasy relationship with the cartels, 119 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: the Mexican cartels, and we've only just begun to get 120 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: our arms around this problem as a state. And I 121 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: find it to be just the most interesting story in 122 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: the state that this popped up in the backyard and 123 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: was allowed to happen for you know, years, really without 124 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: media noticing, and if law enforcement had noticed, they really 125 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: weren't talking about it. And it's a it's very detrimental 126 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: to what's happening here in the state of Maine on 127 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: a number of levels. They're ruining our housing stock at 128 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: a time when housing it is at a generational low 129 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: and availability and a generational high end price. They're poisoning 130 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: the weed supply. They're just generally disobeying all of the laws, 131 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: not paying taxes, not paying fees, putting legal businesses out 132 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: of business. So it's a huge problem here for the 133 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: state of man big immigration scam as well. But fortunately, 134 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: I think the more we shine light on it, the 135 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: more we kind of generate a little bit of urgency 136 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: for law enforcement. 137 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: So I guess two part follow up to that is 138 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: how is this not a bigger story? But also how 139 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: did people not notice as this became a giant issue. 140 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: I mean, main is a fairly small state, pretty sparsely populated. 141 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: How is this not noticeable? 142 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: So it was noticeable? But it's geographically it's a big state, 143 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: so it's spread out, so it was noticeable on a 144 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: local scale, like neighbors noticed, local people in the town notice, 145 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: local law enforcement notice. But for all they knew, it 146 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: was just like a family who came up here trying 147 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: to get away from New York City or Boston in 148 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: the middle of COVID all of a sudden, Yeah, exactly, 149 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: that was the story. Though I've heard this, you know. 150 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: The first thing I do when I find one of 151 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: these properties is I go and talk to the neighbors, 152 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 2: because they've got three years of observations that they're more 153 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: than happy to share with me. And the story is 154 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: always that a young couple that speaks pretty good English 155 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: initially moves in and gets the property established, and goes 156 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 2: and talks with the neighbors, gives them a bottle of 157 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: wine and says, we're coming from Boston. We're coming from 158 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 2: New York City, and we're buying this property to get 159 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: away from the city because of COVID. And then that 160 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: young couple has never seen again, and there's just a 161 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 2: steady flow of Cantonese speaking like you know, Asian individuals 162 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: who really don't interact with the community and oftentimes never 163 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: leave the house at all. They get their groceries delivered 164 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 2: by the same U haul it shows up once a 165 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 2: month to take away the marijuana. So it was noticed, 166 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 2: but the scale and the interconnectedness of it wasn't noticed 167 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 2: because if you look if you look at like a 168 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: map of Maine, there are, like in the center part 169 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: of the state where I'm from, there's an area where 170 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 2: three counties converge, and that you have a like a 171 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: criminal organization that is growing marijuana in all three counties, 172 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: and there it's all within a ten mile radius. But 173 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: you have you know, maybe six or seven different local 174 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: law enforcement agencies that are tasked with enforcing the law 175 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: in those areas, and then three different county sheriffs, and 176 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: so all of these law enforcement divisions are siloed and 177 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: not sharing information as a matter of course, So there 178 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: wasn't an understanding of just how broad, sophisticated, coordinated, and 179 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: how all of it had a nexus to Flushing, New 180 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 2: York or Malden, Massachusetts. So I think that the contribution 181 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: that the main Wire made was to basically publish a 182 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: map of all of these places and show how the 183 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: same people are getting the four hundred ample electricity upgrades 184 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: for all of these sites, and the same people are 185 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 2: paying the property taxes for all of these sites, and 186 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: the same guys are doing the electricity on all of 187 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 2: these places. So we showed that it wasn't just a 188 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: one off, you know, some guy moving up to Maine, 189 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: but it was actually a coordinated, vast, criminal conspiracy that 190 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: was undermining Maine in many, many ways. And we're able 191 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 2: to put a face to it. And we've actually got 192 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: a documentary that we've been working on for ten months. 193 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: It's one of the most in depth, extensive investigations I've 194 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: ever worked on, and we're going to be screening it 195 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: at theaters throughout the state of Maine. So we're hoping 196 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 2: to continue to shed light on this because I think 197 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 2: it's a huge problem with the state of Maine and 198 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: we've only begun to wrap our arms around it. 199 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: So for the second part of that question, why isn't 200 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: it a bigger story? Like I feel like if this 201 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: was happening, I don't know, I just I imagine if we, 202 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: you know, uncovered this kind of conspiracy in New York, 203 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: or in Florida, or in Texas or is it is 204 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: it because Maine is a smaller state and you know, 205 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: you said it's geographically quite large, so, I you know, 206 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: and uh, it's not even that small. But why why 207 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: isn't this like a national story? 208 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: Well, I do think it's received quite a bit of 209 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: national attention. I was interviewed by CBS and they ran 210 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: a piece on it. NBC ran a piece on it 211 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: last week. NPR, the national at the national level, has 212 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: covered has covered not Maine, but they've covered the phenomenon 213 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: in New Mexico and Oklahoma and California. Pro Publica covered 214 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: it in Oklahoma. They didn't really do any like new 215 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 2: original investigation. They just regurgitated what the local news had 216 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: done because there was a quadruple homicide at one of 217 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 2: these sites, and there's been some very serious human trafficking 218 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: in the area. But you know, so I do think 219 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 2: it is getting national attention. I think it would get 220 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: more national attention if the governor of the state would 221 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 2: acknowledge it. So far, she has yet to utter a 222 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: single word about the problem, and the main state police, 223 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: which is run by her appointed Department of Public Safety commissioner, 224 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: has really not been involved in many of these I 225 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 2: think of the forty plus search warrants, they've been involved 226 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: in three. So it's there appears to have been a 227 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: stand down order given to the main state police to 228 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: not be involved in this, which is kind of odd 229 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 2: because they're the best situated to take on a problem 230 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: like this, even the jurisdiction that they have. But you know, 231 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: it is receiving some national attention. But I think the 232 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 2: biggest problem is that all of the members of the 233 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: criminal conspiracy are Chinese. There's this huge reluctance on the 234 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: behalf of law enforcement and left wing politicians and even 235 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: some Republican or conservative members of law enforcement to acknowledge 236 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: the fact that they're they all have ties to the 237 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: People's Republic of China. You know, I don't see. 238 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: Why it doesn't know they're not even they're not Chinese Americans, 239 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: even they're they're literally from China some of them, you 240 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,479 Speaker 1: know me to like say that. 241 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 2: It's like a mix. It's a mix. It's like, you know, 242 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 2: some of them are Chinese with Malaysian passports, some of 243 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: them have legal permanent residents. Some of them, after they're busted, 244 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: will claim asylum status and then the State of Maine 245 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: kicks into high gear to protect them as much as possible. 246 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 2: So they're exploiting our immigration system at a very high level. 247 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: And they're also going through the Chinese consulate in New 248 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 2: York to get driver's licenses in New York, and they 249 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: can use the driver's license in New York to come 250 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: to Maine and get their license to go to marijuana 251 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: and create this kind of on paper fiction that what 252 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: they're doing is legal, and then they'll never follow any 253 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: of the rules that the regulated people have to follow, 254 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: and they'll get busted three times within two years, and 255 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 2: that person will lose their license, and a new person 256 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: from China from New York, a Chinese person from New 257 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: York will show up and they'll have their license, and 258 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: the operation just continues and they can throw as many 259 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 2: people as they want at it, flaunting our laws the 260 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: entire the entire process. Yeah, I mean, it's I think 261 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: it would receive more attention, and I've said this before, 262 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 2: it would receive more attention if it were runctions who 263 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: are running this. It would receive more attention if it 264 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: were you know, so called white nationalists or s pacifically. 265 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: Yes, questions Chinese, like, what you know, what's really the 266 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: difference here? You know? 267 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: I mean if it were Hasidic Jews running a huge 268 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: trafficking conspiracy really about it? Democrats, oh, main Democrats would 269 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: be out there with pitchforks and torches. I could take 270 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 2: care of this problem themselves right as we've seen nationally. 271 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: And I also think, you know, it's because it's pot. 272 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: There's a stigma, but it's. 273 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: It's actually I was going to ask, is pot is 274 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: growing pot legal? 275 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: And Maine yes. So the voters of Maine legalized the 276 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: adult use the adult recreational use of marijuana in twenty 277 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 2: sixteen twenty the legislature formalized the program for the cultivation 278 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: and sale. And that is the year where the Chinese 279 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: mafia started moving into Maine in a big way. I 280 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: mean you can see the house the houses, like the 281 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 2: real estate records show. In twenty twenty, they started buying 282 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: up properties, they started moving in and spinning up their operations. 283 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: So why are they doing it illegally? What's the benefit there? 284 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: Because it's much more profitable. They can't they can't, you know, 285 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 2: they can't compete with main growers who have in some 286 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 2: cases decades of experience growing marijuana legally. Z But they 287 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: would have to pay their employees, their employees, they'd have 288 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: to get background checks, they would have to pay, you know, 289 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: a ten thousand dollars a year licensing fee. They would 290 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: have to not use pesticides and fungicides and other banned substances. 291 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: They would have to have their products tested, right, they 292 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: have to track their products. And this doesn't work if 293 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: you're Chinese mafia. You're here to make money and your 294 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 2: advantage is that you're not following any of the laws 295 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 2: or paying for any of the regulatory burden, so it's 296 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: profitable to grow illegally. 297 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right 298 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What do you think 299 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: is our largest cultural problem? I imagine your answer is 300 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: going to be somewhat tied to this, or maybe something 301 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: totally different. 302 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 2: Actually, I think it's fear. Since I've moved back to 303 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: Maine and taken over the main wire and done a 304 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 2: lot of investigative reporting and interacted with you know, thousands 305 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 2: of manors, a lot of government officials, government employees, I 306 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 2: think the problem is fear. It's especially acute and Maine 307 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: because we have a very vindictive governor and people are 308 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 2: very worried about losing their pensions, getting fired, getting kicked 309 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 2: out of government, having their well being, their economic well 310 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: being threatened as a result of speaking out publicly about something. 311 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 2: And it's a very real concern. I mean during COVID 312 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 2: there was a a restaurant owner named Rick Savage who 313 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 2: was on Tucker Carlson Show. Actually the local media wasn't 314 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: interested in but Tucker was because he you know, openly said, 315 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 2: you know, these your your regulations about hanging you know, 316 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 2: plexiglass and wearing masks and social distancing and this is 317 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 2: all just stupid, Like my restaurant's going to be open. 318 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: And they they sent undercover agents into his bar on 319 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: multiple occasions and literally stalked him and took away his 320 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: liquor license, forced him to sell a business that was 321 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: making him four million dollars a year, and ran him 322 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 2: out of town. And now he's just over the border 323 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 2: in New Hampshire and he's got a new successful restaurant. 324 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: There's a doctor, doctor Meryl Nass, who was prescribing ivermectin 325 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 2: to her patients and you know, criticizing the middles administration. 326 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: She got hauled in front of the medical board and 327 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: has her medical license remote. So there's a lot of 328 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 2: fear and I think it's justified. But it also prevents 329 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: things that are bad and wrong from coming to the surface. 330 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 2: And you see that all over the United States. There's 331 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 2: people who are just hanging on to basically retire and 332 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 2: get their pension and then maybe they'll speak out, but 333 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: probably not. So. I think that across the board, the 334 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: problem is that people not necessarily lacking courage, but being 335 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: cowed into submission to tyrannical government dictates. And I mean 336 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: it was on display during COVID. You saw it. Yeah, absolutely, 337 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 2: very familiar. Yeah it was. 338 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's you're absolutely right, and it was scary. 339 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: And I think the rewrite now that a lot of 340 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: these politicians are attempting, which is like, we didn't make 341 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: you do anything. You did it all because you wanted to. 342 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: It's a huge lie that needs constant exposure. But about fear, 343 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, do you ever get afraid covering, 344 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: you know, kind of scary people who could do bad things. 345 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, I don't cover anything like that, 346 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: but even even the things I do cover. My mom 347 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: is like, do you have to criticize the president all 348 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: the time? Like can't you just say he's doing a 349 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: good job and that's it? Just go on TV and 350 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: say he's doing a good job, and I'm like, no, 351 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: I cannot, I cannot actually. 352 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 2: Do I'm afraid. 353 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: But she's afraid of Like, you know, who knows what 354 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: will happen if you criticize the president. I mean, she's 355 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: from the Soviet Union. But do you do you feel 356 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: fear covering what you cover? 357 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: For sure? For sure? 358 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: That's okay. We like doggies. 359 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: No, I mean, I definitely do. I mean, we've we've 360 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 2: upgraded our security and taken some precautions and conversations with 361 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 2: our local police chief about the nature of what we're doing. 362 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 2: You know, I think if you look at the you know, 363 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 2: if you do the math and you look at the 364 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: busts that have come about as a result of our 365 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: reporting and the operations that have been shuttered as a 366 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 2: result of our reporting, we've probably taken a two or 367 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: three hundred million dollar byte out of the Chinese criminal 368 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: organization with Tyson PRC. So yeah, I mean, I would 369 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 2: be kind of upset you took that kind of a 370 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 2: bite out of my business. Yeah, I would be a 371 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 2: little upset. We've also seen some evidence of cartel Mexican 372 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 2: cartels kind of working in cahoots with the Chinese mafia, 373 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 2: and there have been some low key, underreported or unreported 374 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: instances of cartels robbing the Chinese mafia when they know 375 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 2: there's a weak spot with some like elderly Chinese people 376 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: who just happened to be sitting on sixty five dollars 377 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 2: with no good explanation of where it came from. And 378 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: you know, I think that the Mexican cartels, it's pretty 379 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 2: well known that they take a they have a different 380 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 2: attitude towards violence than some other criminal organizations might. So yeah, 381 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 2: I mean it's it's scary, but I'm well armed, that's right. Good. Yeah, 382 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: I mean I'm well armed. We've got a security system, 383 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 2: you know, we we take all the precautions we can. 384 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: But at the same time, I'm not gonna you know, 385 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 2: live my life and fear while these these criminal these 386 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 2: anti social criminals, amoral criminals, exploit the people of the 387 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,719 Speaker 2: main and like law enforcement isn't doing anything about it, 388 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 2: the government is not doing anything about it, right as politicians, 389 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 2: even though Republicans anything. So I'm gonna go, I'm gonna 390 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 2: go stand out in front of a mafia drug house 391 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: and jump up and down and until someone comes and 392 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: does something about it. You really understate I do, I do, 393 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 2: I love I love Mane a lot, and and you know, 394 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: it's it's sad to me to see what it's come to. 395 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,959 Speaker 2: It's it's it's saddled with a corrupt government and some 396 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 2: of the highest government costs. I mean, we pay more 397 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 2: for our government and have a more corrupt government than 398 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: almost any state. I mean California. We might give California 399 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: our run church money. 400 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: That's scary actually when you're when you're you know, second, 401 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: or when you start beating California, that's an issue. 402 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 2: I mean, our legislature in this past section, both houses 403 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 2: controlled by Democrats. You know, in eighty percent of the 404 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 2: people who work in government or Democrats. The governor's a Democrat. Uh. 405 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 2: You know, we have this huge nonprofit industrial complex that's 406 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: all getting government money. They're like the fifth arm of 407 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 2: government here and all solidly left wing Democrat. So we 408 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 2: really have one party government. Even when Lapago was in office, 409 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 2: we essentially had one party government because anything he wanted 410 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 2: to do was just totally undermined and you know, he 411 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: was hamstrung at every every attempt. So we've had one 412 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 2: party rule for effectively three decades. Yeah, and what we're 413 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: dealing with now is the result oldest state in the Union, 414 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 2: the third highest taxes. Our schools are crap. Our schools 415 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 2: are so bad that they've had to change out the 416 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 2: testing systems so that you can't make apples to oranges 417 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 2: comparisons before and after the pandemic. So they've like ruined 418 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 2: our ability to measure the year over year progress going 419 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 2: back longer than two years, right, design, Yeah, it is, 420 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 2: it is. I mean, they figured out a long time 421 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: ago that you know, the best way to avoid the 422 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: disclosure of a embarrassing public record is to just not 423 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 2: create a public record. Ever, so that's what they do now. 424 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: You know, especially with immigration status. You know, they're not 425 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: going to ask for immigration status. And the best thing 426 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 2: that the those administration has come up with to try 427 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 2: and fix our problems is they're going to create the 428 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: Office of New Americans. But the goal of bringing seventy 429 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 2: five thousand new workers to the state of Maine, mostly migrants, 430 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 2: and we have right now. The last time I checked, 431 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: we had a little over three thousand units of housing 432 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 2: for sale. 433 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 3: That's going to go well, yeah, all right, No one 434 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 3: has been able to answer my question right, Yeah, you know, 435 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 3: there it's very clear that their solution to the problem 436 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 3: is just unbridled open borders, immigration and more welfare. 437 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 2: And when you're already one of the tax stints in 438 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 2: the country, you know something has to give, you know, 439 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 2: something that I don't think that's going. 440 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: To work just lunch, it's not It's not going to 441 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: work the way that they intended to. So you spend 442 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: your time writing about the state you love, defending the 443 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,479 Speaker 1: state you love. Do you feel like you've made it? 444 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 4: Well? 445 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 2: No, not really. I mean I think i've you know, 446 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 2: I've had some success professionally, but there are still plenty 447 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 2: of other things I want to do. You know, I'd 448 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 2: like to, you know, start a family. I'd like to, 449 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: you know, start a business or something like that. You know, 450 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 2: I still after, you know, a ten year career in media. 451 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 2: It's like, the only thing I really know how to 452 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 2: do is talk ship. You know, I don't know, you know, 453 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 2: how you. 454 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: Know, how to catch Chinese mafia. I feel like that 455 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: could be a business, you know, Steve's Chinese mafia catching business. 456 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 2: Now maybe, I don't know. 457 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 4: Hopefully hopefully the movie does well, but we're you know, 458 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 4: you know, I've thought about, you know, maybe going out 459 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 4: and taking of course and becoming an electrician or something 460 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 4: like that, learning some kind of practical skill. 461 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 2: I'd like to become a better fly fisherman. I mean, 462 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 2: you know, if I could, if I was a better 463 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 2: fly fisherman, and I could wire up someone's circuit breaker box, 464 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 2: and I had a bunch of kids running around, and 465 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 2: then maybe I feel like I had made it. But 466 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 2: for me, having made it was never really tied to 467 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 2: professional success or the amount of money you made. You know, 468 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 2: I've I guess the moment where I had made it 469 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 2: was in a we kind of bugged out of the 470 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 2: city like you did. My wife and I we were 471 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 2: living in Boston and during COVID, and in I think 472 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 2: early twenty twenty, we buy a camp or van and 473 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 2: grabbed their dog, Cancil, their lease and just drove around 474 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: the country for a year and a half, put thirty 475 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 2: five thousand miles on the van and just said that, 476 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 2: you know, lived and didn't really have jobs, just kind 477 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: of lived buff our savings. And then at that moment 478 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 2: I felt like I'd made it. Yeah that's a great life. 479 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you know, that easily be step one in 480 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: you know, the vision of you know, learning electrician work 481 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: and being becoming a better fly fishermen and having a 482 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: bunch of kids. You know, step one might have been 483 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: getting yourself out of Boston and traveling the country. 484 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess in the process, maybe I'm I'm 485 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 2: on step one. I don't know how many steps there 486 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 2: are on having it is only too you know, Yeah 487 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 2: it could be, but you know, yeah, I mean for me, 488 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 2: it's like I don't know much. How much money do 489 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 2: you need to make before you feel like you've made 490 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: it more? More and more of these days thanks to buy. 491 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: I love talking to you. You're super interesting and I 492 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: think that you just expose something that I don't think 493 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people know about. And here with your 494 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,959 Speaker 1: best tip for my listeners on how they can improve 495 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: their lives. 496 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 2: Oh geez, I don't know. I'm very skeptical to uh 497 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 2: to give the advice like that, get a dog, that's 498 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 2: my dogs my life, good helping help me exercise, to 499 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 2: get a dog, go to the gym. Read read Isaac Asimov, 500 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 2: good science fiction. 501 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, these are all these are all very solid tips. 502 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: You know. I think you're you're better at advice giving 503 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: than you imagine. Thank you so much for coming on. Steve. 504 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: He is Steve Robinson the main Wire dot Com. Check 505 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: him out. His work is really fantastic. 506 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: Thank you, Steve, Thank you very much. 507 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: Kara, thanks so much for listening to The Carol marco 508 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: Wich Show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.