1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, Welcome back to Killers amongst Us, 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: a production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. Today we start 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: with the mystery of Samantha Koenick, a beautiful, young Alaska 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: barista who seemingly vanishes from her local coffee shop. Joining 5 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: us to help crack the case. Investigative reporter Casey grow 6 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: from Alaska and FBI special agent Bobby Chicon, who's actually 7 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: in on the FBI investigation, joining us to analyze the 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: clues left behind. Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case 9 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: Research Institute, and doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned La psychoanalysts. Of course, 10 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: it all starts with Samantha's dad and his heart breaking Please. 11 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: I want to ask for her captors, if they please 12 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: send my daughter home. I will give you anything in 13 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: this world. To call me anonymously. You don't have to 14 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: go through the police. I will meet you. I will 15 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: give you whatever you want. Just please bring my daughter back. 16 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Killers amongst Us, I just need her home. 17 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: Every day she's gone were the odds are against us, 18 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: and I need the whole community to come together and 19 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: find my daughter. Go door to door every neighborhood, and 20 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: anything suspicious, no matter how small you think it is, 21 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: call the police, call me. I will investigate it. Just 22 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: please help find my daughter. Not good. I don't think 23 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: any of us are holding up in this. I don't 24 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: know if my daughter's being fed, taken care of, if 25 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: she's still alive, if she's getting any sleep. I don't 26 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: think any of us are. She is one of the 27 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: sweetest girls you'll ever know. She's got the biggest heart. 28 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: She is funny, she's sarcastic. I mean, she's every girl 29 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: that knows her calls her her best friend. I mean 30 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: people on the internet are slandering my daughter's name, saying 31 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: she's a prostitute, a drug addict, and all sorts of crap. 32 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: And she is the further the scene from that that 33 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like someone every person she meets calls their 34 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: best friend. And I won't put up with it anymore. 35 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: And the people watching this that are putting that on TV, 36 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna send it to the cyber unit of the 37 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: Anchor's police department and you will be prosecuted for slandering 38 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: my daughter's name. You are hearing a heart broken father. 39 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: It's the father of Samantha Koenig. That's her dad, James Knig, begging, 40 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: begging for help, and as his daughter is missing and 41 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: the cold, the icy snow of Alaska, internet trolls creep 42 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: into the scenario, slandering her. Nothing could have been further 43 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: from the truth. Were they jealous? Because Samantha Koenig absolutely 44 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: beautiful with long hair and big blue eyes. She was 45 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: just a teen girl, a teen girl at that time 46 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: working a night job at a coffee shop, A teen 47 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: barista goes missing, her dad begging for help. To Casey 48 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: grow joining us from Alaska Public Media, what do you 49 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: remember about that night when Samantha goes missing. I was 50 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: in the newsroom and you know, just got an email 51 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: press release from the Anchorage Police Department with a picture 52 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: of this eighteen year old girl that had gone missing. 53 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: And we get those occasionally. It's a pretty standard news 54 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: release from the police department that someone might be missing, 55 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: their families looking for them. Unfortunately, sort of bring your own, 56 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, thoughts into that about like what this person's 57 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: life might be like or who they are, and frankly, 58 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: sometimes you see you know, information and especialties like this 59 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: person might be homeless or something like that, and you 60 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: might think about it a little differently. I guess that's 61 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And this was an eighteen year old 62 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: girl who looked like a normal barista who would have 63 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: worked at any coffee stand in Anchorage, and they were 64 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: saying that she had not come home after you know, 65 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: working her shift at one of these coffee stands, and 66 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: it just kind of seemed like a different type of 67 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: victim for that sort of a case. I remember getting 68 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: that email, seeing the picture and thinking that it wasn't 69 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: kind of just somebody that wandered off that maybe had 70 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: had mental problems and they couldn't find them, or had 71 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: been living on the street and they couldn't find them. 72 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: It was that night, what happened when she went home 73 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: from work. Honestly, like that night did not trigger any 74 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: kind of big red flags. It just seemed slightly different 75 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: than maybe the average you know, missing person flyer that 76 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: goes out. At first, when Samantha or Sammy Conan goes missing, 77 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 1: nobody knew what to think exactly. She had been working 78 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: a night shift at a local coffee shop. That was 79 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: her job, and she loved it and people loved her. 80 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: Her photo quickly went out on the internet. She's really 81 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: stunning and quirky at the same time. To doctor Bethany Marshall, 82 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: la psychoanalyst, I understand why at first everybody knew something 83 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: wasn't quite right. She was a brilliant girl, made great grades, 84 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: had a wicked sense of humor, hilarious. She had regulars 85 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: that would go through the coffee shop drive through every 86 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: single day just to say hello to her. She had 87 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: a tight group of friends. Of course, she had a boyfriend. 88 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: Of course, she had an ex. She had a loving father, 89 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: as you heard him, heartbroking in the search for her. 90 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: But imagine that wild, cold terrain when you look at 91 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: the coffee shop it's situated. Actually, I want Robin Walinski, 92 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: crime online dot Com investigative reporter and author of Beautiful 93 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,679 Speaker 1: Life CSI, behind the Casey Anthony Trial, describe it for me, Robin, 94 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: the coffee shop, where it sits and how it looks. Well, 95 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: it's in downtown Anchorage, Alaska, and it's you notice it 96 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: because it's you know, this bright blue paint and it's 97 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: called Common Grounds Espresso. Everybody goes there for their cup 98 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: of joe, and people would go there in all kind 99 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: of weather, Hey, it's Alaska, you know, so what if 100 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: it's called out, So what if it's snowing? And Samantha 101 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: definitely had her wrecks at this coffee stand where people 102 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: was really frequented a lot by the locals in town. 103 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: Robin Willinski, You're absolutely right. It really stands out because 104 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: of that bright blue. And when I think coffee shop, 105 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: you know, Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Restrot's Institute, 106 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: this is significant. It's subtle, but an important distinction. When 107 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: I think coffee shop, I think of like Starbucks or 108 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, all the independence that you go in and 109 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: you sit down and you've got WiFi and everybody's chill axing. 110 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: Not me, of course, because I'm riding like a bat 111 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: out of hell everywhere in my car. But that's what 112 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,239 Speaker 1: I think of coffee shop. This was a very different. 113 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: It was a standalone drive around, little structure and a 114 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: parking a lot. Cheryl, And why is that subtle but 115 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: an important difference. Well, the structure means that there's not 116 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: thirty people inside as witnesses. She's in there basically by herself. 117 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: It's just a drive up, so it's only hurry. You're 118 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: not going to have a lot of witnesses like you 119 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: would at a starbuck. You're right, and it reminds me 120 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: so much. In law school, I worked three jobs and 121 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: one of them was working at a sandwich shop, mostly 122 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: at night. And it was on the very tail end 123 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: of a large strip mall. It's called Z's Sandwich Shop. 124 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: It's not even there anymore, on the very edge where 125 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: cars could drive up to the window or they could 126 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: come in as well, and it would be ten o'clock 127 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: at night. Everything else would be closed. It would be 128 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: pitch dark outside, and that is what I am imagining 129 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: it was like that night. Bobby Chicone, special Agent FBI. 130 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: Do you think that's an accurate description of where Samantha 131 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: was that night? Yes? I do. I mean this was 132 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: what I call a kiosk. It was people that are 133 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: old enough to remember photo maps, which is where you 134 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: used to drive up and drop your film off to 135 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: get I'm sorry they did not have a photo out 136 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: out in the middle of no where I grew up. 137 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: We had to go twenty minutes to get to a 138 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: gas station. This is a small drive up coffee stand. 139 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: It's not even a shop. It's and it's something that 140 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: you know, the big difference between this and a coffee 141 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: shop would be if you walked into any Starbucks or 142 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: any type of coffee shop, there's usually other customers standing 143 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: around waiting for coffee. And this is something where there's 144 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: an individual in a car driving up to an individual 145 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: in a little booth to make your coffee. So it's 146 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: a it's not a place where you have a lot 147 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: of other people mulling around or standing around. Once you 148 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: get your coffee, you're gone because you're in your car. 149 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: And so, um, it's not a place where you, you know, 150 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: talk to the briefe, so you mingle with people. Um, 151 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: it's very um. In and out, it's very quick, it's 152 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: very transient. Um. That's the kind of transactions that take place. 153 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: You know, you you triggered something in my mind, just 154 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: Sam when you said you get your coffee and you 155 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: take off. You know what, most people probably didn't even 156 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: look back in the rear view mirror. They're looking forward. 157 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: They're looking turn left, turn right. You got your coffee, 158 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: the car, the car smells awesome, and you're on your way. 159 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: You know what, Let's go and hear it from the 160 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: horse's mouth. Joining me from Alaska is Casey Grove with 161 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: the Alaska Public Media, Casey, what's the shop? Life? And guys, 162 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: the reason we're asking this, hear me this is this 163 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: is critical to every investigation. And when you are a 164 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: crime scene investigator or a prosecutor, or a lawman or 165 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: a law person like myself, you see and you take 166 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: in a million facts at once, the temperature, the setting, 167 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: the weather outside, rainy, doc, the parking lot, who could 168 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: have been there, who would have seen her? A million 169 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: things go through your mind all at once, and imagine 170 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: yourself as a crime scene investigator, and you're you hear 171 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: this girl is missing, Like Casey just told us. It 172 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: comes across an email. This girl's missing. She's beautiful. He 173 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: sees the picture, He sees the email and thanks. Hm. 174 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: When you go and you go to this parking lot, 175 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: I wish you could see it the way I see it. 176 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: You immediately are taking in a million facts and this 177 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: is one of them. Casey Grove, Alaska Public Media, tell 178 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: me about the coffee shop. It's very significant. It's kind 179 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: of this interesting thing about Anchorage. I think it's actually 180 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: been written about that we have more of these little 181 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: coffee huts than sort of most places they're kiosk people 182 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: call them. They're they're outdoors. We have a pretty strong 183 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: car culture here because it's winter for a lot of 184 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: the year, and so you know, you kind of need 185 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: a good car to get around. And one thing that 186 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: people do when they're driving around their cars and still 187 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: stop and get coffee at a hut, like a latte 188 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: or something like that. And so some of them are 189 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, actual structure is attached to a building, or 190 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: they're just like a little hut sitting in a parking lot. 191 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: This particular one common Grounds was sort of a teal 192 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: They have a couple of these little huts in town 193 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: and they're they're kind of teal colored, you know, small 194 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: little hut where maybe two two people would work inside 195 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: making coffee and serving it out of windows on each side. 196 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: There's no inside seating or anything like that. It's not 197 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: uncommon for people to walk up or bike up, but 198 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: for the most part, it's you drive up. It's a 199 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: little drive through coffee hut kind of situation. Well, Casey, 200 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: let me follow up on that. Of course, there's a 201 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: lot of coffee huts, as you call them. I've never 202 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: heard them call that, Casey, but whatever, I'm going with 203 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: it because you know what, it does kind of look 204 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: like a hut. I guess there are a lot of 205 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: coffee huts in Alaska. It's freezing and when you say teal, 206 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: that's really underplying it. This kiosk, it looks like an outhouse. Okay, 207 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: big enough for maybe four or five people on side 208 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: to stand. It's so bright against that Alaska snow. And 209 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: as I recall that night, all the snow, it looked 210 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: like the parking lot had been freshly clean, because the 211 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: snow was in drifts that were like ten or twelve 212 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: feet high all the way around the edges of that 213 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: parking lot. Why is that significant to me? Because anybody 214 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: on the other side of that snowdrift can't see what's 215 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: happening at the coffee stand the night this girl, this 216 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: team barista just seemingly disappears into thin air, which leads 217 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: me to my next question, Casey Grove, on the other 218 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: side of that snowdrift, what was around the coffee shop 219 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: where there are other stores like what I was describing 220 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: earlier where I worked through law school, there were stores 221 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: next to me. It was like a big l shape 222 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: and I was at the tip of the l but 223 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: everything was closed at the time I was working, so 224 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: no one would have seen anything. I was like a 225 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: sitting duck. So what was around her, Casey Grave. There 226 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: really aren't any stores right nearby. There's an athletic club 227 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: that has since changed hands, but there's a There was 228 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: a large building on one side of this hut, across 229 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: a pretty big parking lot, like a parking lot big 230 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: enough for you know, a bunch of people to go 231 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: to an athletic club. And then on the direct opposite 232 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: side it had a giant snow burn piled up because 233 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: of all the snow that had been falling an anchorage 234 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: that winter. Across from that a pretty busy road that 235 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: no one driving on that road would be able to 236 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: see the hut because of all the snow. And then 237 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: across that road more large parking lots and like box stores, 238 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: like like a home depot and a loaves I think 239 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: are all right there. So not a very big trafficked 240 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: area exactly, just sort of a spot to pull off 241 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: that road and get a cup of coffee. You know 242 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: all of that that you're telling me, Casey Grove, Alaska 243 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: public media is significant, Cheryl McCollum. You were with me 244 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: and all the many many years I tried felonies. And 245 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: you know, when you get a great witness on the 246 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: stand and they talk but you're not getting exactly what 247 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: you want, you just have to keep after them. And 248 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: you know, I would find myself getting closer and closer 249 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: and closer physically to the witness until I thought I 250 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: was just going to have to crawl into the witness 251 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: stand and sit on them and say, listen, this is 252 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: what I'm asking right right, Casey, let me ask you. 253 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm talking also about in additional, what was a round 254 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: or what was the weather at that time in Alaska. 255 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: It's when I say it snows a lot, I mean 256 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: that there's snow piled up everywhere. There are plow trucks 257 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: trying to remove it from the streets constantly. Every morning 258 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: you get up in snowy winter, every morning you get 259 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: up and have to clean your car off, and there 260 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: could be six inches of snow piled up or a foot, 261 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: you know, and that's sometimes can be like day after 262 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: day after day. In this particular case, it was snowing 263 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: that morning, you know, making it hard to drive to 264 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: see while you were driving you know, definitely was very 265 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: characteristic of that winter. It's not always like that, but 266 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: definitely that winter there was a lot of you know, 267 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: pushing snow around by trucks and just sort of dealing 268 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: with this constant sort of driving through snow, standing around 269 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: in the parking lot out there and just getting covered 270 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: in snow, trying to write in your notebook and talking 271 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: to people. Yeah, I'm trying to think it to doctor 272 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, renowned La psychoanalyst, about Samantha, about Samantha conecting 273 00:16:55,080 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: girl working at night, great grades, wicked, funny, living with 274 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: her dad. It has a pretty cool guy. And I'm 275 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: thinking about being in that coffee kiosk, light at night, 276 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: surrounded by snow and dark, and could nathy. When I 277 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: take a look at this kiosk, I have picture of 278 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: it in my mind. I have a similar coffee kiosk 279 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: near my house. It is bathed in sunlight, and when 280 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: the sun goes down, it's bathed in the light of 281 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: street lamps, and there are businesses all around, and any 282 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: young person in that kiosk is within eyesight or vision 283 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: of at least a dozen people at all times. This 284 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: kiosk that Samantha Konik was in. It could be like 285 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: one of those ski chalets at the top of the 286 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: Swiss Alps, nothing around but howling wind and drifts of snow, 287 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: and you might think, well, hey, there's a freeway right 288 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: next to it. Not really, because there's a huge snow 289 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: drift between ski chalais or I'm sorry, the Jordan's Lip, 290 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: the coffee chalais and the freeway, so no one could 291 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: see this young woman anthy Have you seen her photos? 292 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: She is so full of life, She's absolutely gorgeous. She 293 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: wants to work. I know so many young people who 294 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: do not want to get a job. They graduate from 295 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: high school, they lolligang, they dragged their feet before going 296 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: to college, or they graduate from college and they feel 297 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: so special and entitled. They don't feel ready to enter 298 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: the job market. Yet, not only is she working late 299 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: at night, she's sharing a truck with her boyfriend, she's 300 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: sharing resources, she is beloved by her family, and every 301 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: photograph of her, she's looking straight at that camera as 302 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: if to say, I own the world, I am somebody, 303 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: I am going somewhere. This is not a young woman 304 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: marginalized by society out in a lonely, yea, because she 305 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,959 Speaker 1: had nothing going on. So this is the girl had 306 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: a lot. This is a problem for cities in towns 307 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: in Alaska is that you just if you're in a 308 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: place where it snows a lot, you just have to 309 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: figure out ways to deal with that. So this parking 310 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: lot where this hut was, they needed to scrape that 311 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: snow up into a big pile, you know, over the 312 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: entire winter, and sometimes you have to truck it out, 313 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: but in this case, they have sort of pushed it 314 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,479 Speaker 1: up into a big berm that was taller than the 315 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: hut itself. So you know, if the hut is eight 316 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: or ten or twelve feet tall, depending on what sort 317 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: of a little foundation it's on, if you were driving 318 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: by on the road right next to it, within about 319 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: one hundred feet fifty feet away, you could not see 320 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: over this giant berm that was at least, you know, 321 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: twenty feet tall. So to give it some perspective, I mean, 322 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: it's a little house. You're at the same level as it. 323 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: You can't see it because there's so much snow between 324 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: and you in that little house. I get what you're saying, 325 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: but if you could just speculate you've been there, you 326 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: made the measurements, you looked yourself. And I'll go back 327 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: to Bobby Chicon on this as well. But how far 328 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: do you believe people could see Samantha. I mean, if 329 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: you were driving in front of the shop Casey Grove, 330 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: Alaska public Media say you were driving by and you're 331 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: at a red light, or just from the street, if 332 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: you were driving in front of the shop, could you 333 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: look in and see her? You'd have to be standing 334 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: right next to it. There's only like a little driveway 335 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: between the giant snow burm and the hut, and so 336 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: the only space there is enough space for a car 337 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: to drive up because they had plowed everything back from that. 338 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: Samantha Konig just just stunning. And I'm looking at her 339 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: right now, and you know when some shots her eyes 340 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: looked blue and some they looked green, no denying. She's gorgeous. 341 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: And Bobby Chicon, FBI special agent at Bobby Chicon dot com. Bobby, 342 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: she's like a sitting duck, all right. She's the prize. 343 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: She's gorgeous, long brown hair almost down to the elbows, 344 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: and she's alone out there at night in the middle 345 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: of Anchorage, Alaska, and a coffee Kiosk. So that night, 346 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: Casey Grove, he gets the email Girl Missing, he sees 347 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: the picture, he thinks, hmm, what happens next, Bobby. Well, 348 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: you know, in cases like this, it's it's difficult for 349 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: investigators because teenagers of that age she was a nineteen eighteen, 350 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: nineteen years old, can be somewhat impulsive, and when one 351 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: goes missing, the initial hours you really have to focus 352 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: on what the person's life was like. Did this person 353 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: just get moody and decide to have a fight with 354 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: the boyfriend and decide to just drive away for a 355 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: few hours to clear their head, things like that. So really, 356 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: in the first few hours of an investigation like this, 357 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: you're kind of trying to figure out what the life 358 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: situation of this person was. Now, as you described Samantha, 359 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: she was kind of the typical all American teenage girl. 360 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: I mean, she had one of her first jobs, she 361 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: was working, she was pretty, she had a boyfriend, she 362 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: had all the things the trappings of a normal teenage 363 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: life in America. Now, you're right, she was working at 364 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: night in a secluded place. So those things kind of 365 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: increase a risk to a person. And so when you 366 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: get on a scene like this and you get the 367 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: initial abduction report, you have to start going, Okay, did 368 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: this person run away? You start talking to the family, 369 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: she in a what kind of mood was she in lately? 370 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: Did she fight with her dad? Did she fight with 371 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: her boyfriend? And all of those things you have to 372 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: start looking at in an attempt to determine what really 373 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: happened here tonight. Well do you Cheryl McCollum, director of 374 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute, I'm with Bobby Chicom. I mean, 375 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: he is a special agent. But you also have to 376 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: look at the scene. You have to figure out was 377 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: there a struggle? Is there money in the cash register? 378 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: Is there a broken window? Is the door left ajar? 379 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: Where is her vehicle? What can you find? Or her 380 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: clothes there? What would you be looking at? Because you're 381 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: in the middle of Alaska Frontier. You go to this kiosk, 382 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: you know the girl is missing, It's at night, it's freezing, 383 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: the wind has blown, snow is everywhere. You can barely see, 384 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: you know, ten feet in front of you. You're the CSI, 385 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: you're the crime scene investigator. What do you do? Step 386 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: by step? Walk me start when you pull in the 387 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: parking lot. Well, I'm gonna park as far away as 388 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: I can safely, and i'm gonna root the whole areall. 389 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: First thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna look for footprints. 390 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: Did somebody walk up? Did somebody walk away? What direction 391 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: of the footprints going? Is there one set? Whoa? You 392 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: know how important that is, Cheryl, that you said that. 393 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: To this day, people are still talking about were there 394 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 1: footprints outside John and A Ramsey's home? And it's a 395 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: big conundrum. Were there? Where there not? Nobody knows. You're right, 396 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: you have to look for that in every situation before 397 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: everybody starts tromping through the scene. Yeah, okay, go ahead, 398 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna get everybody out of there. And you know, 399 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: you want to know that if it is there one 400 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: set of footprints, are there two? If there's only one 401 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: with somebody carried with somebody's througs, So you're looking for everything. 402 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: I won't know if there's a cigarette, but in the 403 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: parking lot, I wonner if the street lights are working 404 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: or if one's been busted. I'm gonna look at that berm. 405 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back if I don't have anything. The 406 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: next night, I'm gonna go back at the exact same 407 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: time of day, and then I'm gonna look for watch locations. 408 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: Where could somebody have parked and watched terms what could 409 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: they see? So if you have big windows, even in 410 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: a small kiosk, if she's got illumination in there the 411 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 1: life Throne and it's dark outside, you can see her, 412 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: but she can't see you. So I want to know 413 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: every single thing that could possibly from that scene. Tell 414 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: me what happened to her. If her car is there, 415 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: then are there tire tracks that are fresh, that are 416 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: leaving out that don't go around where somebody bought coffee. 417 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: I want to know everything, Nancy. Everything is significant. I'm 418 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: trying to imagine that night as they are out there 419 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: trying to make sense of her just disappearing, you know. 420 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: Robert Willinski, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter and author 421 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: of Beautiful Life CSI Behind the Casey Anthony Trial, speaking 422 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: of CSI Robin that night, did they determine what time 423 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: her last transaction was? Did they find if money was 424 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: missing from the register, was the door locked? I mean, 425 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: what did they find when they first got to the scene. 426 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: They first got to the scene, Nancy no one was there. 427 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: There was money missing from the register. I guess they 428 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: would have to have you go back through those receipts. 429 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: Did somebody buy a coffee at five o'clock, six o'clock, 430 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: seven o'clock, eight o'clock at night. You can't imagine that 431 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: on that night, with all that snow and the terrible weather, 432 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: that it would have been, you know, as busy as 433 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: your local Duncan Donuts or Starbucks in a major city. 434 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: But it would have been very easy to determine when 435 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 1: the last transaction was. But it was so despolate and 436 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: nothing around. And there was that front window where you 437 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: would greet the customers, where she would greet the customers. 438 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: And she was, really, Nancy, the perfect person for this job. 439 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: Think about it when you go to get your coffee. 440 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: I have a relationship with the people that served me 441 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: coffee every day and had a relationship with her. It's 442 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: like your bartender, the person who's making your coffee for you. 443 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: And so she was the perfect person. And think about this, Nancy. 444 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: Here's another thing that comes to my mind. You have 445 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: an eighteen year old right talk about an amazing work ethic. 446 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: That she would still be there on a freezing cold 447 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: night with all the snow, and it was her task 448 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: to lock up that coffee shop, and here she is gone. 449 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: Casey Grove with Alaska Politan Media. What about the theory 450 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: that money was missing? Was any money actually stolen? Casey, 451 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: The only talk at the time, you know, right around 452 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: the time that she went missing, was whether or not 453 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: maybe she had stolen the till. And there wasn't anything 454 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: about Samantha to make people think that at that coffee stand, 455 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: or at least at one of the common Grounds coffee stands, 456 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: a girl had stolen the cash register, had stolen the 457 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: tails from the cash register, be two weeks prior, and 458 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: and sort of just left, never came back to her job. 459 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: And so I think there was a rumor at one point, 460 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: very early on, that maybe Samantha had taken this money 461 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: or her and her boyfriend had taken it and run off. 462 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: But then we find out that, you know, her boyfriend 463 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: went to pick her up, she wasn't there. And in 464 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, this case, really, as it unfolded, 465 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: it went from what could have been a simple missing 466 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: person's case where the girl just has gone off with 467 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: her boyfriend and and ran off and it's going to 468 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: come home safe and sound, to every step of the 469 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: way getting worse and worse and worse up to the 470 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: worst possible imagine, worst possible imaginable faith for that victim. 471 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: You know. But following up on what we're saying, Casey Grove, 472 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: if money had been missing, who would the likely suspects? 473 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: But you know, just give me a description of the area. 474 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: Was it rural? Was it close to the city. This 475 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: isn't a part of Anchorage, which is the largest city 476 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: in Alaska. A lot of people would say it's like 477 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: the only real city in Alaska. So it would not 478 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: look any different than you know, the mid midtown area 479 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: of kind of an average size city anywhere in the country. 480 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: I mean, one side of this busy road to the 481 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: road is you know, box stores, home depot, that sort 482 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: of thing. And you know the other side is is 483 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: mostly residential, single family homes, that kind of thing. Um, 484 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: it's right in the heart of the city. I mean, 485 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: it's south of downtown by about twenty blocks. It's a 486 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: it's in a pretty busy you know, commercial blending into 487 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: industrial district in the in the city with residential. I mean, 488 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: it's a it's right in the middle of the city though. 489 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about Alaska, it is not 490 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: anything like rural Alaska and it's not like, you know, 491 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: the suburbs or anything like that. It's right in Anchorage. 492 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: Robert Willinski Crime Online dot Com investigative report. This is significant. 493 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: Was their money missing from the till Nancy? Yes, money 494 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: was missing from the common grounds expresso. Yeah. That changes 495 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,239 Speaker 1: things to me, Cheryl McCollum, because now it could be 496 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: just a robbery gone wrong. But where is she a 497 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,239 Speaker 1: robbery gone wrong? Tip? Usually in my my mains, they 498 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: end up shooting and killing somebody, that's how the robbery 499 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,719 Speaker 1: goes wrong. But she just disappears into thin air. What 500 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: does it mean to you? And of course, hold on, 501 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: we don't find that out till the next morning. Is 502 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: that right, Bobby Chicohn FBI, you were on the case. 503 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Um. One of her co workers 504 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: who responded to the kioska next morning found it's somewhat disheveled. 505 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: They found a partially made coffee on the counter. They 506 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: found a note from Samantha asking if she had to 507 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: work that Saturday, you know, and so clearly that it 508 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: was the Kiosk was not closed up as as normally 509 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: as the normal procedure was. So, Bobby Chacon, special Agent FBI, 510 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: what does that mean to you? Because typically, in my mind, 511 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: when you say robbery gone wrong, you think someone's committing 512 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: a robbery and they kill the victim or shoot the victim, 513 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: and there's the place is ransacked and all the money's gone. 514 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: But here we have the money gone, but the place 515 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: isn't ransacked. It's somewhat disheveled, but she's clearly left a 516 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: note before she's closing up, Hey do you have to 517 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: work tomorrow? And there's this is intriguing to me. This 518 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: would be one of the first things I looked at. 519 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: There's an half made coffee sitting there. It turns out 520 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: to be an Americano coffee. And what does that say 521 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: to you, Bobby as you assess the seeing, Well, you're right, Nancy, 522 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: when when a robbery gone wrong usually results from the 523 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: resistance of the person being robbed at the point of 524 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: which they are being robbed. So you would see a struggle, 525 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: you would see maybe blood, you would see some form 526 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: of violence that happened at the point of the robbery. 527 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: When someone is taken from or disappeared from the scene 528 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: of a robbery, and there isn't that physical evidence to 529 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: indicate a struggle or some kind of violent interaction. Then 530 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: you're thinking, why was this person taken away from this location? 531 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: They clearly if they got what they wanted, if the 532 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: robbery was successful and they got the money that they 533 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: were looking for, why would they take that person away? 534 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, as an investigator, you have to think, did 535 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: this person not want a witness left behind to the 536 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: robbery or something like that? So you start your mind 537 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: is going in several different directions. But the number one 538 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: thing is it's not really a robbery gone wrong because 539 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: that usually results from resistance, which means violence, and there 540 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: is no real sign of violence within the this coffee 541 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: Kiosk or Samantha disappeared. So do you Casey Grove with 542 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: Alaska Public Media, was the coffee shot lot? Was it 543 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: closed up? Does the door wide open? There was some 544 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: dispute about whether or not this coffee stand was locked up, 545 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: or whether the till had been taken, or whether her 546 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: belongings were still there. There were things actually in that 547 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: the first couple of days that were misreported about that, 548 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: and I think that if I remember correctly, it may 549 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: have been reported early on that all of her belongings 550 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: had been taken, that maybe she had been, that she 551 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,719 Speaker 1: had put her coat and everything on and left, and 552 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: I think later it was reported that she hadn't. And 553 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember which one was true, But it 554 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: was a little bit unclear how the shop had been left, 555 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: how she had left, or what evidence there was of 556 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: how she had left. Well, I know this much. The 557 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: money was gone from the teal. There was no sign 558 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:57,479 Speaker 1: of a struggle. But that half made Americano. Sitting there 559 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: on the cano when the boyfriend drives up to get her, 560 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,719 Speaker 1: she's not there. So let me ask you this casey, 561 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: when she goes missing, what type of a search ensued? 562 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: There were volunteer searches, I think the I think her 563 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: father was the most active and kind of organizing that. 564 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: But he had friends that were going around town, putting 565 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: up flyers all over town. There were actual search parties, 566 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: you know. I think that initially, and they weren't saying 567 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: this at the time, but I think initially the police 568 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: really didn't have much to go on as far as 569 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: where they were going to even start to look. So 570 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 1: it was you know, searching wooded areas, you know, searching 571 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: parts of town that wouldn't be obvious, you know, just 572 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: out in the open, but really not not much to 573 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: go on as far as where to look. So to me, 574 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: Bobby Chicona, FBI, the first thing I would do is 575 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:13,240 Speaker 1: look at boyfriends, ex boyfriends, problems, stalkers. She's there sitting 576 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: in the middle of a snowdrift at night. Was there 577 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: a regular that would drive through day after day after 578 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: day that had become fixated on her? I would try 579 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: to find out from the till what was the last order? 580 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: Why was she making that Americano? What time was that? 581 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,439 Speaker 1: But let's first, we're looking at the crime scene. We're 582 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: looking at the disappearance. We're looking at the parking lot, 583 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: we're looking inside the coffee stand. We're taking a look 584 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: at her, her profile. Who is she now? At the 585 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: same time, an alternate and contemporaneous investigation is ongoing as 586 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 1: to potential suspects. We don't know. For all I know, 587 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: she's hopped on a train and it's headed to Hollywood 588 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: to secret fortune. I don't know what's happened. The money's gone, 589 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: she's gone, no sign of a struggle. So at this point, 590 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 1: Bobby Chico, cops have got to be looking at who 591 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 1: is in her life. They'll probably even look at her father. Right, 592 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: nobody is off limits. Who were they looking at, Bobby? Well, 593 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: that's what you're doing, you're exactly right now. So you're 594 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: rebuilding this person's life, or you're building this person's life 595 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: in your own own mind. Because the way these investigations 596 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: progress is this comes in as a missing person, then 597 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: it becomes a suspicious missing person before it becomes an abduction. 598 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: So you have to go through this process of realizing, 599 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: you're right, did this person just kind of get away 600 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: for a few hours? Was there something in their life 601 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: that was causing them anxiety that they needed to get 602 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: away from friends and family? So you have to look 603 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: at every possibility because as an investigator, when a person 604 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: is missing, time is of the essence, and if you 605 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,240 Speaker 1: go down a wrong path in one of these theories, 606 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: you're wasting valuable time. So in a way, it's I 607 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: know it sounds self defeating, but you have to keep 608 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: every option open because time is so valuable when someone's missing. 609 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: So if you go down or on path, you lose 610 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: valuable time. So you're looking at every possibility. So this 611 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: means that you need more than one person, or you 612 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 1: need a team work. In this case, you need to 613 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 1: talk to our friends, her family, or co workers, like 614 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: she's going to school, her former schoolmates, because you know, 615 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: this is a young woman. She you know, she could 616 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: still have people that she's family with from high school 617 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,399 Speaker 1: or from middle school or whatever. You look at social media. 618 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: You immediately try to get on social media, and you 619 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: look at all these different things of what's happening in 620 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: this person's life that could have caused some kind of 621 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: you know, emotional problem or some kind of issue that 622 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: made them want to get away. So they're going through 623 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,240 Speaker 1: all the customers. They're trying to figure out who works 624 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: in the area, who would pass her every day, who 625 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 1: would stop at a red line and just stare over 626 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: at her. We're looking at every single person in Samantha's life. 627 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Lieutenant David Parker, Lieutenant Michelle Beecher. 628 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: You see the restraining order. You see that there's you know, 629 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: two months before she is willing to file court paperwork 630 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: that says that this guy sexually assaulted her or attacked her. 631 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: I mean that seems like the obvious starting part of course, right, 632 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: I mean, and that certainly is what the public has 633 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: focused on. So I just want there's anything else you 634 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: can do to shed light on whether or not that 635 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: guy is polite to have been involved, or if he 636 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,760 Speaker 1: can be ruled out, or if that's still a working 637 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: progress at this point, that it's still an open part 638 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: of the investigation, and we want to make sure that 639 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody has jumped or not everybody, but many 640 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: people public jumped to that conclusion and to the point 641 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: where you know, they could be I understand from some 642 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,879 Speaker 1: of the news reports that he's complaining that people are 643 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: accusing him openly that we don't need that kind of thing. 644 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: That doesn't help this investigation at all. Let the police 645 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: do their work, let them work through this process. As 646 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: you know, this is not a one hour TV cop drama. 647 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: This is real life, and it takes time to work 648 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: through these things. It takes good forensic work, it takes 649 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 1: good interview skills, it takes good piecing together the puzzle, 650 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: and it ain't like TV. So we have to be 651 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 1: really careful. You can't just jump to the conclusion and 652 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: you know, start accusing this guy and then one day 653 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: say oh, no, maybe it wasn't him. After all. You 654 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: can't do that. We need to let the police do 655 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: their work and make the determination as to what happened 656 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: and who caused it. Today you are hearing police spokespeople 657 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 1: Lieutenant David Parker, a Lieutenant Michelle Butcher at the time, 658 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 1: Bobby Chicane. Who's he talking about. He's not talking about 659 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: the boyfriend. Who is that? Well, apparently there was another 660 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: individual that Samantha had some type of relationship with that 661 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: I think the No November of twenty eleven, she filed 662 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: paperwork for a restraining order. I don't think the restraining 663 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: order was ever issued by a judge, but I think 664 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: the paperwork was filed. So, you know, the police are 665 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,280 Speaker 1: exactly right. This is one of those paths that you 666 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: go down because it's obvious that she had some kind 667 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: of adverse relationship with whoever she filed this order against. 668 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: But you know, you try to rule it out or 669 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: rule it in, and so like that's the problem that 670 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: the police are alluding to, that when something like that 671 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: gets out into the public, a person's life can be 672 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: altered and public perception of the case can change. You 673 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,760 Speaker 1: know what Bobby, I appreciate other people's lives getting altered, 674 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: and I don't want that to happen either. But the 675 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: reality is the girl is gone. I don't want to 676 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: hurt anybody's reputation, but the fact that she was looking 677 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: at a restraining order against someone she thought was harassing 678 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:47,240 Speaker 1: her is significant to me. So this guy as a possibility, 679 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: You've got the boyfriend, of course, is always a possibility, 680 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: you've got some pervy dude stalk or as a possibility. 681 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 1: Of course, she always look at family members. The father 682 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 1: a possibility to Bobby Chican, what about the boyfriend? What 683 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: do we know? Well, we know that um, he was 684 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: supposed to pick her up after work. She didn't have 685 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: a car with her. Um, it's it's um. I'm not 686 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: sure whether they were living together or not, but they 687 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: she spent a lot of time um at his house. 688 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: He drove a truck. UM. And we know that he 689 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,320 Speaker 1: had gotten a text from her that evening, UM saying 690 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 1: that she wasn't she had a bad day and she 691 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: was UM. Uh you know, maybe going away for the weekend. Um. 692 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: And so um you know typical uh, you know, relationship 693 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: of people that age. You know, you have your ups 694 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 1: and downs, you have your um emotional crises and stuff. 695 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,280 Speaker 1: But um, there was nothing out of the ordinary about 696 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: the boyfriend that would make make you think that he 697 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: would take action like this to doctor Bethany Marshall. Right there, 698 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,360 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany. The text she had never quote gone away 699 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: for the week, that had never happened. Now, she's a 700 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 1: teen girl working at a coffee shop. Why would she 701 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: text his mysterious text to a boyfriend not say a 702 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,879 Speaker 1: word to her father with whom she lived that she 703 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,840 Speaker 1: was leaving for the weekend. That doesn't make sense to me. 704 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: Right there. To me, that's the first tip off. She 705 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,839 Speaker 1: didn't take the money. She did not go off on 706 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: her own. I'm going to go away for the weekend 707 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,840 Speaker 1: to clear my head. That sounds like a load of bs. 708 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 1: That's a technical legal term. But right there, that's wrong. 709 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: That cup of coffee that half made Americano and that 710 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:40,280 Speaker 1: text tell me this is all wrong. See, her regular 711 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:45,320 Speaker 1: behavior deviates at this point. We know she loves her parents, 712 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: she lived with her dad. We know that she shares 713 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: a vehicle with her boyfriend, and she shares a bank account. 714 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: So this is a young woman who's highly collaborative, engaged, 715 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 1: involved with the people in her life. All of a sudden, 716 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: now the kiosk is left disheveled, She's not there when 717 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,839 Speaker 1: her boyfriend comes to pick her up, and there's this 718 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: strange text saying I am going away for the weekend. 719 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,320 Speaker 1: I would wonder did her phone fall into the hands 720 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:22,240 Speaker 1: of the perpetrator and did that person write the text 721 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,919 Speaker 1: back to you? Casey Grove, I want to figure out 722 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 1: the boyfriend conundrum. What do we know about her boyfriend? 723 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: Samantha had a boyfriend that was actually picking her up 724 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,840 Speaker 1: that night, and it was the first person to really 725 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: note that she was missing. I couldn't tell you how 726 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: long they had been together. But the next day, as 727 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: this kind of became an abduction case, like I said, 728 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 1: it went from sort of this is a missing person 729 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 1: to now we have a reason to believe she's been abducted. 730 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,919 Speaker 1: He was there in the parking lot just looked ash 731 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: and I mean he looks, you know, terrible, like he 732 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 1: knew something that had happened. He was sort of the 733 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:13,800 Speaker 1: first one to know that the night before. As police 734 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 1: as FBI are sifting through mounds and mounds of evidence, 735 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 1: following every lead, literally looking for a needle in a haystack. 736 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: It emerges that there is, in fact video surveillance. Listen 737 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,280 Speaker 1: to NBC Anchorage detectives now say a surveillance capra posting 738 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: above the entrance to the common grounds espresso hut on 739 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 1: Tudor and Fairbanks shows an armed man abducting Coding on 740 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: Wednesday night. Please say the two left the area on foot, 741 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: and Coding's family has not heard from her since they 742 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 1: left on foot. We know that much, but beyond that, 743 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: her disappearance became a complete mystery. At that point, when 744 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 1: I got off work, I wanted to go get him, 745 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,360 Speaker 1: get her, and she wasn't. There was It was a mess. 746 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 1: Investigators are not yet releasing the surveillance tape. They will 747 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 1: only say the abductor was wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt 748 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 1: and possibly a baseball cap. Bobby, what exactly do we learn? 749 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,319 Speaker 1: I mean, I get the gist of it. We understand 750 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 1: that a guy comes in. He's wearing a ski mask. 751 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 1: Apparently he orders a coffee. Samantha makes the coffee and 752 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:22,359 Speaker 1: hands it to him. When he apparently what pull There's 753 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: a scuffle. He pulls out a gun. Samantha tries to 754 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,960 Speaker 1: get money out of the till what do we think 755 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: happened inside that chiosk based on the surveillance video alone, well, 756 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 1: in the video of what you can see and you 757 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: can tell at that person's body language. And so Samantha 758 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,800 Speaker 1: is going about her normal duty of making a coffee. 759 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 1: So clearly someone at the window, whoever was at that window, 760 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: ordered a coffee, and she starts making it, and you 761 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,600 Speaker 1: see that. But partly through making that coffee, she looks 762 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 1: back at the window and you can see her body 763 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,319 Speaker 1: language immediately change. Her hands go up several times, and 764 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: you can see her get nervous and and make furtive 765 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 1: gestures about which she's supposed to do. And you can 766 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: you automatically see through our body language that whoever is 767 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,359 Speaker 1: that that window is threatening her. And so you automatically 768 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: notice immediately that something is wrong here. This is not 769 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: the typical transaction. So you see her start to get 770 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 1: really nervous, put her hands up several times, trying to 771 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,239 Speaker 1: comply with whatever that person is telling her to do. 772 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,359 Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, la psycho Willis, I'm just trying 773 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,239 Speaker 1: to imagine her dad. Can you imagine he's out there 774 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,799 Speaker 1: in the snow. The next morning, six am, handing out flyers, 775 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:34,239 Speaker 1: begging people to help find his daughter, Nancy, so distraught 776 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:39,920 Speaker 1: and probably blaming himself as you can imagine, and telling himself, 777 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: I should have just supported her, I should not have 778 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,320 Speaker 1: encouraged her to get a job. You know, as parents, 779 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 1: we encourage our kids to work right. We want them 780 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,600 Speaker 1: to own their own lives, to support their lives. So 781 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,920 Speaker 1: we send them out into the world and we trust 782 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 1: that their employers or whoever whoever employs them will keep 783 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:04,400 Speaker 1: them safe. But then if something happens, like in this case, 784 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 1: the parent blames themselves that this dad, his charge was 785 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,839 Speaker 1: his daughter to his duty was to protect her, and 786 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 1: that got violated by some stranger in the night. And 787 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,439 Speaker 1: if you look at that surveillance Foo footage Nancy, it's 788 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,320 Speaker 1: so sad to me because as he's marching her across 789 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,600 Speaker 1: the parking lot, the perpetrator, it looks like he has 790 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,200 Speaker 1: one arm around her. I don't know if he has 791 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 1: a gun pointed towards her, but I it sim shows 792 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,360 Speaker 1: up my spine. I thought it's like the sheep to 793 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,640 Speaker 1: the slaughter. He's just leading her away, and she looks 794 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: very passive and stooped over, as if she knows there's 795 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,239 Speaker 1: absolutely nothing she can do to get away. Where is 796 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,879 Speaker 1: teen girl Samantha Koenig? Where did the guy march her 797 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,480 Speaker 1: off into the night and the snow and the parking 798 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 1: lot until they seemingly just walked off the edge of 799 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 1: their surveillance video into what? What can we learn from 800 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:14,160 Speaker 1: the surveillance video? Again? A needle in a haystack Nancy 801 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,360 Speaker 1: Grace signing off goodbye Frank