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Speaker 1: Hey guys, our friends, no fast Countryman. Welcome to Normally,

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Speaker 1: the show with normalist takes for when the news gets weird.

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Speaker 1: I'm Mary Katherine New.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Markowitz. Him Mary Catherine, How was your weekend?

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Speaker 1: It was good. I was in Austin for a bit

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Speaker 1: and saw Bridget Fetasye nice sat down with hers. That

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Speaker 1: was always a good time. I don't think we'd ever

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Speaker 1: met in person before, so fellow podcasting lady.

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Speaker 2: Right, she's awesome, she's good. Yeah, I love Austin. Actually

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Speaker 2: I know Austin's is the blue dot in the red state.

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Speaker 2: But it's always a good time over there.

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Speaker 1: It's a good time. It was funny because it was

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Speaker 1: like forty two degrees and everyone was freezing button me,

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Speaker 1: which I never get to experience because I'm the wimpy

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Speaker 1: Southerner here. But in Texas, I was like, I'm fine,

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Speaker 1: I'm fine.

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Speaker 2: I did this thing on Friday where I took the

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Speaker 2: day off, and I know, you know, adults listening to

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Speaker 2: this know that you never really take a day off, right,

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Speaker 2: even when you're off from work, you're still thinking about

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Speaker 2: But every time I started to think about anything, I'd

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Speaker 2: be like, no, I'm focusing on my book. I'm looking

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Speaker 2: up at the sky. I'm not doing any errands today.

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Speaker 2: There are no sports like I'm just focusing on me.

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Speaker 3: It was glorious. Actually, it set me up really well

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Speaker 3: for a really busy weekend. I love it, right, And yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know how you managed no sports in one day,

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Speaker 1: but congratulations.

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Speaker 3: Well we had.

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Speaker 2: Six sports activities over the weekend. I should say one

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Speaker 2: of our kids had five of them.

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Speaker 1: My gosh, he is such a killer.

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Speaker 2: He's uh, he's something, all right, Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: Alrighty, shall we get to the news, in which we

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Speaker 1: talk once again about one of our least favorite characters

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Speaker 1: in the legacy media, Margaret Brennan.

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Speaker 3: Margaret, what are you?

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Speaker 1: Margret? What's happening? Margaret?

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Speaker 3: You have fallen apart.

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Speaker 1: You'll remember Margaret Brennan from cutting JD Vance's mic during

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Speaker 1: the vice presidential debate. You'll remember Margaret Brennan from having

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Speaker 1: her ass handed to her frankly, please every time jd

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Speaker 1: Vance shows up on her Sunday show. And now we

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Speaker 1: have Margaret Brennan asking Secretary of State Marco Rubio this question.

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Speaker 4: Well, he was standing in a country where free speech

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Speaker 4: was weaponized to conduct a genocide, and he met with

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Speaker 4: the head of a political party that has far right

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Speaker 4: views and some historic ties to extreme groups. The context

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Speaker 4: of that was changing the tone of it. And you

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Speaker 4: know that that the censorship.

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Speaker 5: Disagree with you specifically about the right now, I have

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Speaker 5: to disagree with you. Free speech was not used to

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Speaker 5: conduct the genocide. The genocide was conducted by a Miraitarian

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Speaker 5: Nazi regime that happened to also be genocidal because they

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Speaker 5: hated Jews, and they hated minorities, and they hated those

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Speaker 5: that they had a list of people they hated, but

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Speaker 5: primarily the Jews. There was no free speech in Nazi Germany.

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Speaker 5: There was none. There was also no opposition in Nazi Germany.

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Speaker 5: They were a sole and only party that governed that country.

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Speaker 5: So that's not an accurate reflection of history.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what what?

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's funny because Rubio is very diplomatic

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Speaker 1: Is I admire him keeping a straight face during that question.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but I only think he was completely unprepared for that.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard anyone make the argument that free speech

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Speaker 2: was the problem in Nazi Germany before, and I was

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Speaker 2: quite surprised to hear it now, so I'm sure he

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Speaker 2: was also like wait what.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now this was the free press. The free press.

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Speaker 1: Margaret Brennan's response over at CBS to jd Vance giving

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Speaker 1: a speech in German in Europe that said, Hey, you

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Speaker 1: guys actually don't do the free speech very well. You're

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Speaker 1: putting people in jail for online postings and tweets. You

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Speaker 1: have people who investigate people for praying outside abortion clinics,

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Speaker 1: although the Biden administration did some of that too, So

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Speaker 1: he's targeting a real problem that Europe has, where it

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Speaker 1: does not have a commitment to free speech in the

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Speaker 1: way that we do. Yeah, thank goodness for the First Amendment,

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Speaker 1: because I'm sure are lefties, as illustrated by Margaret Brennan

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Speaker 1: this is her response to him calling out Europe for

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Speaker 1: not having free speech, is like, well, didn't free speech

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Speaker 1: cause the Holocaust? Have you ever thought about that?

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Speaker 3: It's just it's wild.

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Speaker 2: And so you had people on X defending her like

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Speaker 2: MSNBC vice president of Editorial and Booking Jesse Rodriguez, and

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Speaker 2: I should say Jesse and I follow each other, which

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Speaker 2: you know, immediately warms.

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Speaker 1: Me to people.

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Speaker 2: Right, of course, I was like, wait what he tweeted?

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Speaker 2: The Zazi regime used mass media, including newspapers, radio films,

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Speaker 2: humanize Jews and incite violence. I was like, they also

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Speaker 2: used trains to transport Jews to camps. Perhaps we should

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Speaker 2: blame the trains. And you know the thing is, they're

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Speaker 2: not talking about free speech here, they're.

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Speaker 3: Just talking about speech. The Nazis used words. Perhaps we

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Speaker 3: should no longer use words lest we be like the Nazis.

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Speaker 3: Mary Catherine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a term for this called the Weimar fallacy,

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Speaker 1: which is the idea that, yes, hate speech quite clearly

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Speaker 1: did flourish in the preceding time to Nazism, but Germany

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Speaker 1: at that time had hate speech laws. They prosecuted people

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Speaker 1: that in fact, that made a bunch of them murtyrs

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Speaker 1: was forbidden. It's so the whole thing is so laughably ignorant,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's reverse engineered by people in media

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Speaker 1: leads inevitably to Nazism, political violence, and genocide. Therefore, Nazis

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Speaker 1: liked free speech, you are a Nazi if you like

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Speaker 1: free speech? Is that in the state?

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Speaker 2: What It's just, it's mind boggling. I tell this story

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Speaker 2: to the Normies in your life, because I did, and

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Speaker 2: it was just a very good time getting them to

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Speaker 2: hear this.

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Speaker 1: Britan went to UVA. Do you think there's any Thomas

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Speaker 1: Jefferson writings about the importance of free speech that she

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Speaker 1: could have perused during her time at that elite university.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's actually amazing. But you know what is

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Speaker 1: somewhat surprisingly more amazing is that I watched the sixty

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Speaker 1: Minutes segment, another of our free American presses responses to

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Speaker 1: JD Vance's speech in Europe about Germany's speech police right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they literally have speech police in Germany, and

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Speaker 1: sixty Minutes does a feature on it. It is thirteen

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Speaker 1: She's going to say, should you be starring people in

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Speaker 1: jail for Facebook posts? Nope, that wasn't the question. Her

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Speaker 1: your arrests and prosecutions. That was the question that this

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Speaker 1: sixty Minutes reporter had. Throughout this feature. We find out

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Speaker 1: that insulting people in the street or on Facebook or

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Speaker 1: find out that there are sixteen teams of prosecutors across

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Speaker 1: the country currently, you know, that's her question, currently working

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Speaker 1: on thirty five hundred cases. Sixty Minutes goes with the

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Speaker 1: German authorities, which is a very scary phrase in and

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Speaker 1: of itself, to a private home on a six am

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Speaker 1: raid with six armed officers over a Facebook post, at

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Speaker 1: which point they seize the phone and computer of this

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Speaker 1: private citizen. Again, the reporter doesn't have any questions about this.

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Speaker 1: In fact, she's like, she asked them, are people surprised

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Speaker 1: that this is illegal? When you go pick them up?

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Speaker 1: And the prosecutors sort of laugh like har har har, Yes,

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Speaker 1: they think it's like crazy that we can take their phone,

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Speaker 1: but we take it.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: And this is our press media who is super concerned

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Speaker 2: about Donald Trump and our democracy and all of that

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing, right, is that I get

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Speaker 1: Gulf of America thing, you're doing viewpoint discrimination. You can't

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Speaker 1: do that, like figure it out. Don't bully people in

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Speaker 1: this way, even if I don't like this particular organization, right,

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Speaker 1: but you're telling me that these people have a commitment

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Speaker 1: to free speech. They do that. Yeah, they're happy with

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Speaker 1: the rember Nina Jankowitz of the Disinformation Governance born inside

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Speaker 1: the Department of Homeland Security that Biden created. They were

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Speaker 1: perfectly happy to have that woman decide what we could

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Speaker 3: Not, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And they spent the four Biden years like trying

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Speaker 2: to get social media to shut down speech that they

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Speaker 2: the COVID stuff, which obviously you know, yes, we're still mad, bro,

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Speaker 2: and an actual government, American government tried to get social

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Speaker 3: So of course they're looking at Germany and.

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Speaker 2: Being like, wow, we could just seize their phones and

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Speaker 2: then they won't be able to say anything. Hahuh.

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Speaker 1: This whole piece is just envy over Germany's speech policing laws.

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Speaker 1: And I think my favorite part, I think we can

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Speaker 1: this problem because people are scared to speak online about

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Speaker 1: their opinions. But she's saying they're scared to speak because

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Speaker 1: there's not enough prosecution of speech. It's like, girl, you

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Speaker 6: Free speech needs boundaries, and in the case of Germany,

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Speaker 6: these boundaries are part of our constitution. Without boundaries, a

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Speaker 6: very small group of people can rely on endless freedom

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Speaker 6: to say anything that they want, while everyone else is

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Speaker 1: In your fears that if people are freely attacked online

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Speaker 6: This is not only a fear, it's already taking place. Already.

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Speaker 6: Half of the Internet users in Germany are afraid to

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Speaker 6: express their political opinion and they rarely participate in public

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Speaker 6: debates online anymore? Half of the Internet users.

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Speaker 2: Are they scared to speak because their neighbors going to

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Speaker 2: be mean to them or because they're going to get arrested?

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Speaker 1: Hard to say, yeah, yeah, she's like standing there with handcuffs, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why they're scared, Like what my mind

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Speaker 1: was blown?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Watch it all if you get a chance this week. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The clips that I've seen on x are just you know,

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Speaker 3: bad enough, but this sounds this sounds extra bad.

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Speaker 1: Like over at CBS, do they have German authorities coming

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Speaker 1: to educate them on how they could better police our speech?

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Speaker 1: Because that's what it seems.

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Speaker 3: Like, right, they're like, this is how we do it.

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Speaker 1: You should do the same.

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Speaker 2: I is just and so again going back to the JD.

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Speaker 3: Van's speech, which was a great speech.

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Speaker 2: And reiterated the values that I would think that our

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Speaker 2: liberals would before it became this whole Like, how dare

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Speaker 2: he talk to our allies that way? Well, our allies

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Speaker 2: are getting off the path of freedom and re expression.

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Speaker 2: It's okay to kind of nudge them back onto. Hey,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that.

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Speaker 2: You know, they're they're having this resurgence of patriotism. That's great,

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Speaker 3: In case anybody's I'm unaware.

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Speaker 1: But actually, if you're pushing something online, we should know

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Speaker 1: if you're real or not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think Bethany Mandel, our friend Bethany

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Speaker 2: has ruined this for me a little bit because she

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Speaker 2: has six kids at she homeschools, and she writes like

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Speaker 2: seventeen articles a week and special twenty five appearances, and

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Speaker 2: every time I like you see her, she's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I started this new blink and it's like what, like what?

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Speaker 2: And that's why I think people could believe that there's

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Speaker 2: some crazy lady with fourteen kids.

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Speaker 1: Yes, actually you know what it is Bethany's fault. Bethany

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Speaker 1: has led.

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Speaker 3: Us down the path of like all of this is possible,

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Speaker 3: and look.

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Speaker 1: At my marriage and like it's true.

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Speaker 3: And it's just like I started a company and I

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Speaker 3: have a new substack and listen to my new thing

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Speaker 3: and it's like, girl, when when how do you do this? Right? Ethy? Really?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the key. No, it's it is

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Speaker 1: the tradwife thing is is bizarre. And sometimes I'll sort

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Speaker 1: of stumble into conversations about what kind of wife I

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Speaker 1: should be, and I'm like, oh, when did we get here?

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Speaker 1: My gud is right? But I do have to say,

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Speaker 1: like the thing where magically your husband, you submit to

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Speaker 1: your husband, he has all the right decisions made for you.

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Speaker 1: You would be perfectly content at all times, no problems.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that's pretty easy if you make up your husband.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, Like it's not a separate person who you

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Speaker 1: must submit to. It's just your figment of your imagination.

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Speaker 1: I could create somebody who I could agree with one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent of the time, no problem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good point. That that's it.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Also, I mean as a side note, but.

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Speaker 2: Like AI relationships are becoming more popular, like you're just

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Speaker 2: having a relationship with yourself.

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Speaker 3: You're like, I have fallen in love with.

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Speaker 2: Me, yes, which like fair, you know, yeah, I am

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Speaker 2: very lovable.

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Speaker 1: So now I just I think, you know, our other friend,

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Speaker 1: Emily Zanati, talks a lot about the tradwife stuff because,

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Speaker 1: you know, she she does a lot of those things.

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Speaker 1: She maintains a small little homestead farm with chickens and

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Speaker 1: all of that. She raises her three kids at home,

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Speaker 1: she cooks home cooked meals all the time. And one

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Speaker 1: of the things she's intent on is sort of piercing

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Speaker 1: this idea that you can have this very picturesque perfect homesteading, homeschooling,

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Speaker 1: everything life. In fact, what's happening a lot of times

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Speaker 1: is that those trad wives are doing a very serious job,

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Speaker 1: putting in a lot of hours to make their life

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Speaker 1: look like that, right, so that they can then package

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Speaker 1: it and sell it to everyone else, which no hate,

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Speaker 1: but let's be realistic about what's happening here. This isn't

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Speaker 1: how to stay at home mom. This is a work

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Speaker 1: from home.

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Speaker 3: Mom, right right.

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Speaker 2: This is a mom who is putting a lot of

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Speaker 2: work actually into maintaining this perfect image. And they're always like,

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Speaker 2: you know, perfectly put together, and like my husband wanted

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Speaker 2: an apple pie, so I grew I grew an apple tree,

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Speaker 2: and then I picked like what, yeah, you know again,

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Speaker 2: live whatever kind of life you want. But just don't

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Speaker 2: assume the people that you see on the internet are real,

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Speaker 2: and they might not be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And also like watch out for people that you're

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Speaker 1: not sure are real slide in those dms and having

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Speaker 1: personal conversations with you, because this is not the normal

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Speaker 1: kind of sliding in the dms. This is a different

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Speaker 1: one where you're sort of, you know, supporting each other

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Speaker 1: through various stages of life. And I have a lot

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Speaker 1: of online friends with whom I've done that, and it

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Speaker 1: makes me a little wary about for sure you might

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Speaker 1: be interacting with in the future that you learn there's

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Speaker 1: this whole character was created, Yeah, be.

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Speaker 3: Careful out there kids. It's a wild, wild world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for joining us on normally.

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