WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Wish Upon A Star

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals Booth Podcast. When You Wish Upon a Star

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<v Speaker 1>edition as we devote an entire episode of the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>to a player that many of you are wishing for

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<v Speaker 1>with a fifth overall pick in this year's draft, LSU

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<v Speaker 1>wide receiver Jamar Chase. You'll hear from his high school

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<v Speaker 1>coach back home in New Orleans, the voice of the

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<v Speaker 1>LSU Tigers, NFL Draft expert Daniel Jeremiah, and Sam Munson

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<v Speaker 1>from Pro Football Focus, who has Chase ranked as the

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<v Speaker 1>best wide receiver in the last two NFL drafts, and

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<v Speaker 1>we know how good last year's class was. The Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>Booth Podcast is presented by Bud Light. Seltzer Refreshed the Game,

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<v Speaker 1>and here's a quick reminder that you can have the

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<v Speaker 1>or computer by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, Spotify,

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<v Speaker 1>or pod Bean. It's the greatest thing since Mick Cronan

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<v Speaker 1>taking UCLA to the Final four. Mick has been my

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<v Speaker 1>friend for roughly twenty years as the Bearcat's radio announcer.

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<v Speaker 1>During his thirteen years as Cincinnati's head coach. We celebrated

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<v Speaker 1>memorable wins together, shared a ton of laughs, enjoyed great meals,

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<v Speaker 1>and traded parenting tips. Since my son Sam and his

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<v Speaker 1>daughter Sammy were born about five months apart. I am

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<v Speaker 1>thrilled that Mick is getting praise from coast to coast

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<v Speaker 1>for the incredible job he's done with this UCLA team

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<v Speaker 1>and is finally being recognized as one of the top

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<v Speaker 1>coaches in college basketball. Furthermore, I couldn't be happier for

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<v Speaker 1>his dad, hep, his right hand man Darren Savino, and

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<v Speaker 1>all of the UCLA folks with Cincinnati ties. You know

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<v Speaker 1>the old saying good things happen to good people. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Mick Cronan is good people, and mark my words, this

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<v Speaker 1>is his first trip to the Final Four and it

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<v Speaker 1>won't be his only. Now time to turn our attention

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty one year old Jamar Anthony Chase. Jamar attended

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<v Speaker 1>Archbishop Rummel High School in Metory, Louisiana, a suburb of

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans, and played for a coaching icon named Jay Roth,

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<v Speaker 1>who led the school to twelve league championships in his

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four years as head coach. Jay, do you remember

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<v Speaker 1>when you first became aware of Jamar and what your

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<v Speaker 1>initial impressions of him were. Yes, I do his first

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<v Speaker 1>game as a sophomore, he said a school record with

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<v Speaker 1>four touchdown receptions over a two hundred yards receiving as

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<v Speaker 1>his first game as a receiver, and I knew we

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<v Speaker 1>had some special It sure sounds that way. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>adjust your style of play to take advantage of his ability? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Going into his junior year, we went to a spread offense,

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<v Speaker 1>a no huddle spread offense after what I saw he

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<v Speaker 1>did as a sophomore, and it's like, you know, seeing

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<v Speaker 1>that you have a thousand and two thousand yard running back,

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<v Speaker 1>saw that we had a receiver there was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best athletes has ever come to the school, and

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<v Speaker 1>we literally changed our offense. Yes, what was he like

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<v Speaker 1>to coach? He was like every other young man, except

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<v Speaker 1>he was a star in his own right, but a

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<v Speaker 1>humble star. He never once knocked on the throwing the

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<v Speaker 1>coach and one more touches, or never had dad come

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<v Speaker 1>in and complain about anything. I mean, he was all

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<v Speaker 1>the receiving records at Rummel, but he's just a team player.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he I mean one catch and he was

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<v Speaker 1>blocking his butt off whatever we needed he did. He

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<v Speaker 1>was just a pleasure to be around. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in this day and age of athletes being where they

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<v Speaker 1>concentrate on one sport, Jamar came into Rommo. He played football, basketball,

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<v Speaker 1>and the state champion track you know, long jump, triple

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<v Speaker 1>jump guy. So I mean he was, he was. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a true athlete. We're talking to Jay Roth, who was

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<v Speaker 1>Jamar Chase's high school coach. What do you consider his

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<v Speaker 1>best trait to be his strong hands and his physical Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>he's just a physical strong weight room and strong hands.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he could just grab a football and latch

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<v Speaker 1>onto it. He could take somebody and block him and

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<v Speaker 1>just barry him in the ground if he wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, people had trouble pressing him at a

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<v Speaker 1>line of scrimmage because he was just so quick and

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<v Speaker 1>so strong, and he at receiving speed. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>never saw him get caught. People always might have said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's not a four to two four three guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's fine, but the nobody ever caught him more.

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<v Speaker 1>His days at Romo n L. Shoe was recruiting insane. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, he committed. Poor guy he was

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<v Speaker 1>committed to maybe two or three schools. You know, he

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<v Speaker 1>started as a junior and he was Kansas and you

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<v Speaker 1>know Florida, and Florida had a coach and change. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Auburn quartered him hard and then you know, Ella Shoe

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<v Speaker 1>got their man in the end. We're talking to Jay Roth,

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<v Speaker 1>who coached Jamar Chase in high school. I know you

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<v Speaker 1>coached him great players there. He won multiple state titles.

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<v Speaker 1>I think former Bengal Sephan Carter was one of your

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<v Speaker 1>former players. Where does Jamar rank among the great guys

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<v Speaker 1>that you coached. He's in the top two, top two

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<v Speaker 1>or three. We had Kevin Steltz was a Krik Stelts

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<v Speaker 1>was an All American Lashoo third round draft to get

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<v Speaker 1>the Bears. And you know, Jamar is going to go

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<v Speaker 1>down as the greatest, to be honest, because he's being

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<v Speaker 1>top five, top seven picks in the NFL draft. You know, Bulting,

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<v Speaker 1>the Cough Award winner, So he's gonna be He'll be

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<v Speaker 1>up there. He'll be the greatest. I'll say that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you watched a lot of the Joe Burrow to

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<v Speaker 1>Jamar Chase connection a couple of years ago at LSU.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you think when you watch those two play. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he had a guy at quarterback that knew how to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of the football and knew he was thrown too.

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<v Speaker 1>And I heard he's just a fantastic teammate and the

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<v Speaker 1>receivers just loved being in the game with him because

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<v Speaker 1>everybody had to pay attention. You didn't know who was

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<v Speaker 1>getting the ball. You know, Joe was going to throw

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<v Speaker 1>it to the person who was open as the person

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<v Speaker 1>and he just didn't have favorites. So watching them execute

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<v Speaker 1>and had that great year at LSU was a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously a lot of Bengals fans are intrigued by the

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<v Speaker 1>notion of reuniting those two at the NFL level. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you see any sort of special connection when you watch

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<v Speaker 1>them play. I just saw two guys that were NFL ready,

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest with which I mean, that's what I saw,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the offensive numbers they put up there year

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<v Speaker 1>at Las Shoe to Alabama's last team last year, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a phenomenal for a college football team, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I saw. Guys, You're just gonna be on the

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<v Speaker 1>same page at all times. How do you think Jamar

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<v Speaker 1>will adjust to NFL life, not only on the field,

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<v Speaker 1>but off it. To be honest, I think the year

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<v Speaker 1>offer does just me my opinion. I think the year

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<v Speaker 1>off he took has prepared him. You know, he's been

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<v Speaker 1>away from home, he's been training as a professional. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's been training for the NFL Draft. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>the year offers prepared him and giving him tom to

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<v Speaker 1>get rights to his NFL life he's about to take on.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a favorite memory, a favorite game, anything

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<v Speaker 1>else that specifically comes to mind when you think of

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<v Speaker 1>the time you spend coaching him. Well, probably his last

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<v Speaker 1>year he played his senior year. It was a playoff

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<v Speaker 1>game against Bird High School Street Port Louisiana. He caught

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<v Speaker 1>four touchdown passes and he hurt his knee and we

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<v Speaker 1>went to the semifinals. He gotta beat fourteen seven, knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that if we probably would have had you more healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>we would probably advanced the state championship in Hotel what

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<v Speaker 1>would have happen? But he was injured the fourth quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>But we actually used him one I've ever used. We

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<v Speaker 1>put him at a wildcat. He scored a touchdown running

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<v Speaker 1>the ball. So it's like it took it took me

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<v Speaker 1>three years to realize, you know what, you better put

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<v Speaker 1>the ball in his guy's hand as much as you can.

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<v Speaker 1>And in that game he got hurt and he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>there for the state state semifinal game. So with the

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<v Speaker 1>trade that was made last week with the forty nine

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<v Speaker 1>ers moving up to the third pick in the draft,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like the top three picks are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be quarterbacks. Atlanta goes forth, the Bengals go fifth. If

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<v Speaker 1>Jamar Chase is there at number five, what would you

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<v Speaker 1>advise Cincinnati to do. I'd advise anybody to take him off.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking about the number one draft, to really take a

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<v Speaker 1>first five days of quarterback, take Jamar. That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>From Rummel High School, it was on to LSU, where

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<v Speaker 1>Chase's two seasons in Baton Rouge were also Joe burrows

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<v Speaker 1>two seasons with the Tigers. As a true freshman, Jamar

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<v Speaker 1>had modest stats twenty three catches, including three for touchdowns,

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<v Speaker 1>but as a sophomore he had one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>seasons in college football history with eighty four catches for

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand, seven hundred eighty yards. That's more than twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one yards per catch and Chase hauled in twenty of

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<v Speaker 1>Joe burrows sixty touchdown passes in the National Championship win

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<v Speaker 1>over Clemson. Jamar had nine grabs for two hundred twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one yards and a pair of touchdowns in what turned

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<v Speaker 1>out to be his final college game, as Chase elected

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<v Speaker 1>to opt out last season due to COVID nineteen and

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<v Speaker 1>began preparing for the NFL Draft. This week, I spoke

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<v Speaker 1>to the radio voice of the LSU Tigers, Chris Blair. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>our timing is perfect. We are speaking a few hours

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<v Speaker 1>after Jamar Chase wowed the scouts at his pro day today,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly by running a four point three eight forty yard dash.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the reaction in Baton Rouge to what Jamar did

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<v Speaker 1>this morning? Well, number one, nobody seems to be surprised,

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<v Speaker 1>an at number two, it's just boil boy. What could

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<v Speaker 1>he have done had he decided to play for the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengal Tigers of LSU this past ball, of course, opting

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<v Speaker 1>out for his junior campaign. But you know, he's a

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<v Speaker 1>favorite son of Louisiana, and of course what he was

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<v Speaker 1>a part of in twenty nineteen will always etch his

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<v Speaker 1>name very close and very fun by Tiger fans so

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<v Speaker 1>and impressive showing. But again, I guess the first takeaway

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<v Speaker 1>is you're you're excited he comes out performs that way

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<v Speaker 1>in front of the scouts, and again I think the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest takeaway is nobody's surprised at all. They expected him

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<v Speaker 1>to show up and show up well, Chris, you were

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<v Speaker 1>behind the mic two years ago for Joe Burrows Heisman

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<v Speaker 1>Trophy season and that also saw Jamar Chase when the

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<v Speaker 1>Bullin Nikoff Award is the nation's best wide receiver. What's

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<v Speaker 1>top of mind when you think about that Burrow to

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<v Speaker 1>Chase connection a couple of years ago. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting Dan that you know, you guys, we're getting

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<v Speaker 1>together and talking again this year. Last year prior to that,

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about Joe Burrow so far on one

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<v Speaker 1>for one with fingers Fan so good. But you can

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<v Speaker 1>feel that way when you're talking about Joe Burrow and

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<v Speaker 1>then following it up with Jamar Chase. Those two were

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<v Speaker 1>certainly lined up together. You know. It's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that Joe talked about going into that twenty nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>season was again arriving in twenty eighteen is the transfer

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback he went immediately to his skilled players on offense

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<v Speaker 1>along with his offensive line, and they had to bond.

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<v Speaker 1>And the receiving group in twenty nineteen, which Jamar was

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<v Speaker 1>a part of, and Joe Burrow, they just seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be almost using telepathy. They were always where they needed

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<v Speaker 1>to be ran Chris Browse. Jamar was certainly a very

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<v Speaker 1>good route runner, but when plays would break down and

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<v Speaker 1>Joe would be able to an extended play and move

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<v Speaker 1>the pocket, it was justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase who

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<v Speaker 1>who just knew where to be, knew where to find

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<v Speaker 1>the crease and and Joe knew where to go with

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<v Speaker 1>the football, and those guys more times than not we're there.

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<v Speaker 1>So the relationship, I know a lot of people have

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<v Speaker 1>been having fun on social media, but Joe really pulling

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<v Speaker 1>to the Bengals to bring Jamar Chase. It's not only

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<v Speaker 1>because I think they're very good friends. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>because he understands the type of weaponry that Jamar Chase

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<v Speaker 1>would have add, not only to Cincinnati but really to

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<v Speaker 1>any team. He's just that type of player and his

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<v Speaker 1>background and his work at the show, the numbers bear out.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that is just who he is. We

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<v Speaker 1>are talking to the voice of the LSU Tigers, Chris Blair.

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<v Speaker 1>Those numbers speak for themselves, but what can you tell

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<v Speaker 1>us about Jamar as a person, a teammate, a leader, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's it's interesting. Just a couple of weeks ago, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>the spring football getting underway here at LSU, the receiving

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<v Speaker 1>core room already talking about their plans for the summer

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<v Speaker 1>of ten thousand passes and Jamar Chase and that's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the traditions, very new traditions at LSU, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was created by Jamar Chase along with help from Terrace Marshall,

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<v Speaker 1>who will also be going into the draft this year

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<v Speaker 1>at Justin Jefferson, who, by my humble opinion, was robbed

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<v Speaker 1>a Rookie of the Year from Minnesota last season. But

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<v Speaker 1>those three guys got together in the time they could

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<v Speaker 1>work just individually and got out the jugs gun and

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<v Speaker 1>they up the velocity on the footballs and they took

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand passes over the course of the summer. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it was an attempt to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>if the ball was within grass, they had a good

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<v Speaker 1>chance of hauling it in. And when you look at

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<v Speaker 1>how that translated number one to Joe Burrows accuracy number

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<v Speaker 1>two to the number of catches and touchdowns and yards

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<v Speaker 1>that Jamar Chase had along with Justin Jefferson and Terrorist Marshall,

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of set the bar now for LSU receivers.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think when you talk about looking at him

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of high school one of the top prospects

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<v Speaker 1>in the state of Louisiana a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>rated a four star prospect, his work ethic took him

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<v Speaker 1>from being a four star, which again is very very

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<v Speaker 1>good to be in the top of the class and

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<v Speaker 1>a bullet Nikoff winner. So it's a lot in the

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<v Speaker 1>same conversation you and I had about Joe Burrow, it's

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<v Speaker 1>his approach to the game and the preparation of the

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<v Speaker 1>game has been pro l really since twenty eighteen, and

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<v Speaker 1>certainly he ramped that up in twenty nineteen. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he kind of was the architect of the Summer of

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand passes. And you know when LSU's coaching staff

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<v Speaker 1>and the other younger receivers who were coming up in

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<v Speaker 1>the program, they look at how that type of dedication,

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<v Speaker 1>not with the coaches, not with the staff, all on

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<v Speaker 1>their own time led to a phenomenal year as far

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<v Speaker 1>as offense and receiving offense in twenty nine. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ten years from now, when they're talking about the Summer

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<v Speaker 1>of ten thousand passes, everybody can think Jamar Chase. He's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the father of that. That is awesome, the

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<v Speaker 1>Summer of ten thousand passes. It's like Malcolm Gladwell's ten

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<v Speaker 1>thousand hours, but ten thousand passes instead. Chris, do you

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<v Speaker 1>have a favorite Jamar Chase moment and or story anything

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<v Speaker 1>along those lines. Yeah, I think it was. It was

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<v Speaker 1>coming off the Old Miss game. You know, several teams,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, once we got about mid season in twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>they spent the entire week the opponent of that is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out, Okay, which poison are we going

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<v Speaker 1>to take away? And more times than not, it was

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<v Speaker 1>Jamar Chase. And I had a chance to talk with

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<v Speaker 1>him do a couple of interviews throughout the season, and

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<v Speaker 1>I asked him following the Old Miss game where he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have a great game, it's because they really put

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<v Speaker 1>bracket coverage on him for the entire game. They just said,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to take Jamar Chase away, and nobody was

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<v Speaker 1>more thrilled for the performance that both just Jefferson had

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<v Speaker 1>in single coverage. Also, Marshall had a pretty big game

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<v Speaker 1>in the slot, and then Clyde Edwards E. Lair was

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<v Speaker 1>able to really pick up some solid running yards that

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<v Speaker 1>really allowed LSU to come out on top in Oxford

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<v Speaker 1>on that Saturday. And when I was talking about Jamar

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<v Speaker 1>Chase and talking to him, I was asking him about

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<v Speaker 1>what it's like when you know a team's gonna try

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<v Speaker 1>to take you away, and he really didn't even go

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<v Speaker 1>into that. He talked about how everybody gets a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to eat on this LSU team and they're so talented

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<v Speaker 1>that he just sat back and laughed that they were

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<v Speaker 1>going to put all this emphasis on him and LSU

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<v Speaker 1>still was going to eat them up, rack up a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of yards and go on to victory. And I'll

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<v Speaker 1>never forget after we were done, I told you, mar

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<v Speaker 1>I said, you know what, that's a very I'm impressed.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a very mature way of looking at things, because

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<v Speaker 1>at that point of the season, he already was on

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<v Speaker 1>the bullet Nic coof list, and so was Justin Jefferson.

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<v Speaker 1>So for him to be able to say, hey, we

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<v Speaker 1>knew we were gonna win because my guys are going

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up the slack and if they get bracket

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<v Speaker 1>coverage next week, then it's my time to step up.

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<v Speaker 1>And he certainly did when that would have happened. So

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<v Speaker 1>I was just impressed with his maturity at that age

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<v Speaker 1>with so much of the spotlight on him. But yet

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<v Speaker 1>he knew this is a team effort, and we got

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<v Speaker 1>our eyes on going undefeated at winning the National Fitle,

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<v Speaker 1>and anything less than that wasn't going to be satisfactories.

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<v Speaker 1>We are talking about Jamar Chase with the Voice of

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<v Speaker 1>the Tigers, Chris Blair. This is a podcast about Chase,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's talk briefly about Terris Marshall because he also

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<v Speaker 1>ran a four three eight forty this Pro Day on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>He's six three. How good of an NFL prospect? Is

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<v Speaker 1>Terris Marshall an excellent prospect? You know? In twenty nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>he was injured and missed I think three and a

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<v Speaker 1>half games to start the season, and he was well

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<v Speaker 1>on his way again. Jamar Chase would go on to

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<v Speaker 1>be second in sec receiving yards in a season at

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<v Speaker 1>second in touchdowns and at the beginning of the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen season, it looked like Terris Marshall he had not

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<v Speaker 1>scored a touchdown in twenty eight team. He got his

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<v Speaker 1>first career touchdown in the first game against Georgia Southern

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen, and then for the next two games

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<v Speaker 1>became a touchdown machine. And then when he returned and

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<v Speaker 1>was healthy again, he was certainly one of the focuses

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<v Speaker 1>of every defensive coordinator. Is okay, which guy we take away?

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<v Speaker 1>And what do we do if we have to believe

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<v Speaker 1>Terris Marshall on an island? And you know, it's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>in that twenty nineteen season, justin Jefferson was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>pegged as a slot receiver, which I remember talking to

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Brady who's now at the Panthers, talking to stevens Minger,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the offensive coordinator at LSU, and they all

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<v Speaker 1>laughed and they said, we could put Marshall on the slot,

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<v Speaker 1>we could put Chase in the slot, we could move

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<v Speaker 1>each of them to the outside. They just had that

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<v Speaker 1>type of skill set and Marshall with his size, And

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<v Speaker 1>again earlier today at Pro Day, just watching those numbers

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<v Speaker 1>from carry Vincent from Jamar Chase from Terris Marshall. All

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<v Speaker 1>of those sub four numbers was really incredible to see

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at the size and I go back

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<v Speaker 1>to the Summer of ten thousand passes because Marshall was

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<v Speaker 1>a part of that, and he's got such good hands.

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<v Speaker 1>I have watched Jamar Chase and Terrace Marshall. Everybody in

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<v Speaker 1>the stadium knows they need two yards and they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to go for the quick slant and they'll have a

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<v Speaker 1>linebacker hanging off of him, a corner will try to

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<v Speaker 1>cheat up and jump the lane, and they have such

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<v Speaker 1>strong hands that if the pass is anywhere near their body,

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<v Speaker 1>they pull it in and nobody can deflect it. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's to me what stands out about Marshall's He's got

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<v Speaker 1>good soft hands to make the catch, but he's got

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<v Speaker 1>strong hands once he has the grasp. And again, when

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<v Speaker 1>you're that big and you've got that type of speed,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really going to allow teams to put him out

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<v Speaker 1>there and one on one coverage and stretch the field.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think he's got an excellent toolkit to have

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<v Speaker 1>a successful career in the NFL. Chris and Cincinnati, we

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<v Speaker 1>were obviously heartbroken when Joe Burrow suffered his d injury

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<v Speaker 1>last season, I'm interested to hear what the reaction was

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<v Speaker 1>like in Baton Rouge. Oh, it was the same. It

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<v Speaker 1>was absolute heartbreak. I mean, you know, considering a kid

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<v Speaker 1>that grew up in Ohio and means so much to

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<v Speaker 1>his hometown, it is the same in the short period

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<v Speaker 1>he's been in Baton Rouge. That's the way everybody feels

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<v Speaker 1>about him here. I mean, I would love I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati has the numbers on where their jerseys were sold

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<v Speaker 1>going into the twenty twenty season, and I guarantee, if

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<v Speaker 1>there's a giant spike when you look in Louisiana, were

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow Cincinnati jerseys all over the place here? People

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<v Speaker 1>were watching. I dare I say, if the Saints and

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals were playing at the same time on TV,

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<v Speaker 1>you had you had a lot of homes that were

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<v Speaker 1>watching Cincinnati and they would catch up with New Orleans

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<v Speaker 1>later because they wanted to watch Joe Burrow play. So

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<v Speaker 1>when he went down, it was devastating. But I remember

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<v Speaker 1>talking to a number of people, in fact, my neighbors,

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<v Speaker 1>who said, you know, the work ethic he's shown, he's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be back. He's gonna be stronger, he's gonna be better,

0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.359
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna be smarter, having gone just through that short

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<v Speaker 1>stint of the NFL, and so to see those videos

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<v Speaker 1>of him getting back working out, had a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>see him in Indianapolis covering the NCAA tournament a week

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<v Speaker 1>before last. He looks good, he looks excited. So everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be right back on the Bengals training again

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<v Speaker 1>when football comes around this vault. All right, final question

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<v Speaker 1>for the voice of the LSU Tigers, Chris Blair. If

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<v Speaker 1>you pulled Cincinnati Bengals fans right now on who the

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<v Speaker 1>team should select number five overall, you'd probably get a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty even split between Oregon offensive lineman Piney Sewell and

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<v Speaker 1>Jamar Chase. You are obviously not a neutral party in

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<v Speaker 1>this debate, But what do you think selecting Jamar and

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<v Speaker 1>reuniting him with Joe would do for the Bengals. Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it would be a shot in the arm offensively.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's no question about it. I mean, knowing

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<v Speaker 1>enough about football, no expert by any stretch of the imagination. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>watching Joe, I can lean a little bit towards you know,

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<v Speaker 1>peeping up that offensive front to protect Joe back there

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<v Speaker 1>so he can do and use his skill set. But

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<v Speaker 1>without question, I think, you know, just in the same

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<v Speaker 1>way Justin Jefferson, you're talking about a young man who

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<v Speaker 1>maybe was a three star in a couple of evaluations

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of high school. Those two remind me of

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<v Speaker 1>each other and simply the way they attack the game

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<v Speaker 1>and prepare for the game. And you look at the

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<v Speaker 1>natural born talents that Jamar Chase possesses, which again he's

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<v Speaker 1>a little head of the game than Justin Jefferson. I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's the type of player whether he's in Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>or wherever he goes, is going to be an impact

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<v Speaker 1>player in year number one. So if I'm Cincinnati looking

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<v Speaker 1>to really boost that offense and add another tool to

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<v Speaker 1>the weaponry, I think at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>I probably go ahead and say, maybe we can use

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<v Speaker 1>other avenues to beep up the offensive line, But to

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<v Speaker 1>miss and pass on bringing Jamar Chase, who in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen was by far the best receiver in college football,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd go with Jamar Chase. Chris, this is becoming a

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<v Speaker 1>fun tradition. I look forward to reaching out next March

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<v Speaker 1>and quitting you about the Tiger's top prospects next year.

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<v Speaker 1>No doubt about it. They certainly have a great program here.

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<v Speaker 1>They get some great talent. All you have to do

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<v Speaker 1>is watch Sundays in the fall and you'll see tons

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<v Speaker 1>of former LSU players. So it's been a pleasure. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for having me on again, and best of luck in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one. With jokes. Before we continue with our

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<v Speaker 1>deep dive look at Jamar Chase, we remind you that

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals Booth podcast is presented by Bud Light Seltzer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's light and refreshing with a hint of fruit flavor.

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<v Speaker 1>A few weeks ago, I devoted an episode of this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast to Oregon offensive lineman Pinney sewell, if you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>listened yet, it's the bad case of loving you. Addition,

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<v Speaker 1>and as I stated then, interviews from his high school

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<v Speaker 1>and college connections weren't likely to include many criticisms. In

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<v Speaker 1>the final two interviews on this podcast, we get a

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<v Speaker 1>pair of unbiased opinions. Up First, NFL Network Draft expert

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Jeremiah, in his most recent list of the top

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<v Speaker 1>fifty prospects in order, he has Chase rated third behind

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<v Speaker 1>Clemson quarterback Trevor Lawrence and Florida tight end Kyle Pitts.

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<v Speaker 1>For what It's worth, Daniel Jeremiah has sewell ranked twelfth.

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<v Speaker 1>I recently took part in a zoom call with Jeremiah

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<v Speaker 1>where a reporter from Detroit, the team of a seventh

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<v Speaker 1>overall pick, asked Daniel to identify the top wide receiver

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<v Speaker 1>in this year's draft. To me, it would be Jamar

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<v Speaker 1>Chase just because of everything he can do. I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times when you're watching receivers, you see

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<v Speaker 1>guys with you, guys that can win with separation and quickness,

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<v Speaker 1>and you see guys that can win with physicality, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of contested catches. And when you watch him

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<v Speaker 1>at LSU in twenty nineteen, you see examples of both

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<v Speaker 1>where he can separate from people off the line of scrimmage,

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<v Speaker 1>he can separate at the top of his route. He

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<v Speaker 1>plays big to go up and get the football, and

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<v Speaker 1>then after the catch, he gives you that strength as

0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:03.160
<v Speaker 1>a calid break tackle. So he's to me, the best

0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:06.360
<v Speaker 1>receiver in the draft. I can't imagine he would be there,

0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:07.879
<v Speaker 1>but man, that would be a home run pick for

0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.800
<v Speaker 1>the Lions if he was, and then I wouldn't have

0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:13.400
<v Speaker 1>any issues with the other two either. From Alabama. Man,

0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:15.520
<v Speaker 1>I think it's kind of a flavor thing with Waddle

0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:19.000
<v Speaker 1>on Davante Smith. Waddle gives you a little bit more juice,

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:23.960
<v Speaker 1>but DeVante Smith plays plenty fast as well. DeVante Smith

0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:27.560
<v Speaker 1>is a pristine route runner. He's obviously everybody knows, is

0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:29.719
<v Speaker 1>real thin, but man, he's really long armed. He can

0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:31.959
<v Speaker 1>go up and get it as well. I just thought,

0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:33.919
<v Speaker 1>you know what you get after the catch with some

0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:36.639
<v Speaker 1>of the shiftiness and then just to home run speed

0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:39.159
<v Speaker 1>from Waddle is why I ended up with Waddle over Smith.

0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:42.159
<v Speaker 1>And you know, GPS stuff is gonna be big this

0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:45.760
<v Speaker 1>year because you know, we haven't had as much verified numbers,

0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:49.160
<v Speaker 1>and talking to some teams around the league, Waddle had

0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:51.919
<v Speaker 1>had the fastest GPS of any receiver in the country.

0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:53.879
<v Speaker 1>So it's not just your eyes aren't receiving you when

0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:57.400
<v Speaker 1>you watch him. He's he's freaky fast. In his most

0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:01.720
<v Speaker 1>recent mock draft, Jeremiah had Chase going number three overall,

0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:05.640
<v Speaker 1>but that was before Miami traded the pick to San Francisco.

0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:09.159
<v Speaker 1>Now it looks like the top three picks are likely

0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:13.560
<v Speaker 1>to be quarterbacks. Atlanta picks fourth and Matt Ryan turns

0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:18.159
<v Speaker 1>thirty six next month. Will the Falcons also go for

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:22.280
<v Speaker 1>a QB if so the Bengals could have their choice

0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:28.159
<v Speaker 1>of Chase Sewell or any non quarterback in this year's draft.

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Our final conversation is with Pro Football Focus analysts Sam Munson,

0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:38.880
<v Speaker 1>who recently published a detailed profile of Chase for PF. Sam,

0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:41.080
<v Speaker 1>let's start with the data and then get to your

0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:44.880
<v Speaker 1>film study of Jamar Chase. What do the PF numbers

0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:47.840
<v Speaker 1>tell us about his play at LSU and his chances

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 1>of excelling in the NFL? Yeah, I mean the numbers

0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 1>are as you would expect. That season that he had

0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:58.200
<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen was absolutely incredible just from a raw

0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:01.840
<v Speaker 1>box score number or standpoint, and it was equally as

0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:06.360
<v Speaker 1>impressive whenever you dive further. It was a phenomenal PF grade.

0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:10.879
<v Speaker 1>He showed some incredible play after the catch, some incredible

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 1>play at the catch point as well. It was a

0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 1>season every bit as good as it looked just from

0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:19.920
<v Speaker 1>the role numbers of the various things that PF grades

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:23.000
<v Speaker 1>where wide receivers are concerned, is there anything in particular

0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:26.760
<v Speaker 1>that best projects to the NFL really what you would

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:29.320
<v Speaker 1>like to see as a guy getting it done against

0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 1>NFL competition. I don't know if there's one specific area

0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:37.360
<v Speaker 1>or subset of play that indicates, you know, greater transition.

0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:39.960
<v Speaker 1>If you've got guys who a huge percentage of their

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:43.600
<v Speaker 1>production come from kind of scheme touches, whether it's screens

0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:46.600
<v Speaker 1>or those kinds of things, maybe that would give you pause.

0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know if there's a general subset that

0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:53.200
<v Speaker 1>is dramatically more predictive. But I do like to see

0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:55.680
<v Speaker 1>if a guy has done well against a league competition

0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:57.280
<v Speaker 1>and guys who are going to be playing in the

0:26:57.400 --> 0:27:01.800
<v Speaker 1>NFL and that season that Jamar Chase and absolutely qualifies

0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:04.399
<v Speaker 1>for that. If you actually look at the sequence of

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:07.879
<v Speaker 1>cornerbacks that guy played that year, it's stocked full of

0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:10.159
<v Speaker 1>NFL talent. A bunch of guys that were in the

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:14.679
<v Speaker 1>draft last year, Patrick Certan, who's going to be in

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:18.480
<v Speaker 1>the draft this year, and like he didn't slow down.

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:20.560
<v Speaker 1>If anything, he beat up on those guys harder, and

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:24.160
<v Speaker 1>he beat up on just regular college cornerbacks. We're talking

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:26.679
<v Speaker 1>to Sam Hudson from Pro Football Focus. Let's turn to

0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:30.080
<v Speaker 1>your film study. What were your biggest takeaways from watching

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:33.040
<v Speaker 1>all of the Jamar Chase footage that you did, the

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 1>biggest takeaway really is that there aren't weaknesses. I mean,

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't really have any negatives. And even when you're

0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 1>actively looking for them just to try and nitpick, it's

0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:45.360
<v Speaker 1>difficult to find anything to have a real problem with.

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 1>And you know, we're reaching the stilly season of the

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 1>draft evaluation period where everybody is pulling apart any possible

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:57.320
<v Speaker 1>prospect and coming up with reasons to dislike them, and

0:27:57.440 --> 0:27:59.480
<v Speaker 1>you know you're going to hear that the Jamar Chase

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:02.679
<v Speaker 1>can't separator, that he doesn't win with out running, and

0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's true. I think occasionally you're going

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:07.679
<v Speaker 1>to find a play where somebody gets his hands on

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 1>him a little bit too easily, and occasionally you're going

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:12.200
<v Speaker 1>to find a play where he doesn't separate the way

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:15.720
<v Speaker 1>you would like. But it's not like it's a regular recurrence.

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:19.679
<v Speaker 1>It's everybody has flaws. You know, Randy Moss was criticized

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 1>for taking plays off and in between the plays where

0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:26.120
<v Speaker 1>he was lighting you up for an adr touchdown. So yeah,

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 1>like there's some plays on Jamar Chase's tape that are

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:32.960
<v Speaker 1>not phenomenal but the body of work is incredible. The

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 1>biggest knock on Joe Burrow is a rookie was the

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:38.400
<v Speaker 1>lack of deep ball success that he had. How much

0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 1>difference do you think Jamar Chase would make Their connection

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 1>that year was incredible and really it wasn't even a negative.

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:47.240
<v Speaker 1>Just one of the things you did notice when you

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 1>were going through Jamar Chase's tape is how many of

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 1>these passes from Joe Burrow were absolutely just ridiculous, like

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 1>placed into where they should be, to the point where

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>despite not having great separation on the play, it didn't

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>matter because the ball just landed in his hands in

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 1>a way that didn't even require adjusting from Chase. You know,

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times you can deal without great separation

0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 1>if the receiver makes a better adjustment at the cash

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 1>point in the corner instead of gets himself a little

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 1>half yard of space to make the catch. But Chase

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 1>wasn't even needed to do that. He was just sticking

0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:23.640
<v Speaker 1>his hands out and the ball was dropping in them.

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>So it did make part of his evaluation a little

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:30.920
<v Speaker 1>bit tricky because Burrow was just dropping in so many incredible,

0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 1>perfect passes. But now that's a great thing, right, if

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>they have that kind of connection, if that wasn't just

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 1>a fluke that year, you pair the two of them

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>up again and suddenly you might have a giant jump

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:46.680
<v Speaker 1>forward and Burrow's deep production. Or talking to PFF analyst

0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Sam Munson, you've got Jamar ranked as the number one

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver in this year's class. How close is it

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 1>with the other top guys, Davante Smith and Jalen waddle

0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 1>I do think it's very close between Chase and Devon

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Day Smith. I think those two guys are one and

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>two for me. The PFF Draft guide actually has wadlefe

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 1>think still ahead of Davante Smith. I haven't checked the

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>update as of yesterday, but I think it's really close

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 1>between Chase and Davante Smith. But Davante Smith has that

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>issue of you know, he plays at one hundred and

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:23.480
<v Speaker 1>seventy pounds and tells everybody he's playing at one hundred

0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>and seventy pounds, like this is not a guy who's

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:27.560
<v Speaker 1>going to come in at twenty pounds of muscle in

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 1>an NFL weight program and be one hundred and ninety

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:32.120
<v Speaker 1>and you can deal with it. He's going to be

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 1>playing at one hundred and seventy and believes that the

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 1>tape speaks for itself for him in that regard, and

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 1>I think he's right, But that has to be a

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 1>little bit scary. And in particular, when you have a

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Jamar Chase in this draft class, you know, you're not

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 1>left with he's head and shoulders the best receiver in

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 1>this class. We don't have any choice but to overlook

0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 1>the fact that he's one hundred and seventy pounds because

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 1>nobody else comes close. You know, Jamar Chase is right there,

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 1>They're very very close together. So the fact that you

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 1>have this little unknown, this little area of being scared

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 1>of that weight for Davante Smith, I think would make

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 1>you default to Jamar Chase. You know, pretty much every

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 1>time the Bengals were able to pick up t Higgins

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 1>in the second round last year, how deep is the

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:19.960
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver pool if they don't use a pick on

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:22.719
<v Speaker 1>a wide receiver at number five? Overall? I think it's

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:24.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot like last year. I think it's really deep.

0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:27.040
<v Speaker 1>I think it's really talented. There's a lot of incredibly

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 1>good wide receivers in this draft as well, And interestingly,

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, you start thinking about what kind of receiver

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati would like, and given the guys they already have,

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 1>I think they would like somebody that does bring a

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 1>slightly different skill set. Now, Jamar Chase is good enough

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 1>at everything that he's it doesn't matter like he qualifies

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 1>across the board. But you know, maybe in the top

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 1>of the second round, I think there's a lot of

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 1>wide receivers that are more skewed towards that speed and

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 1>potential vertical skill set that isn't necessarily there in the

0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:01.520
<v Speaker 1>group that right now. So actually the top of the

0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 1>second round is potentially a great place to get one

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 1>of these wide receivers and concentrate on, you know, somebody

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:09.600
<v Speaker 1>like a Pine sul in the first Who are some

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:11.760
<v Speaker 1>of the vertical guys that you like that would be

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:14.840
<v Speaker 1>available in the second I'm really intrigued by somebody like

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Rondel Moore, And I think that the classes still are

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 1>the jury still add on exactly where he's going to go.

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, a lot of people still have him as

0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 1>a first rounder, a lot of people are a lot

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 1>of other people are dropping him below the likes of,

0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, some of the other wide receivers that are

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:36.080
<v Speaker 1>popping up. And but if He's been a very interesting

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 1>evaluation because he's a very gimmick type of receiver. He

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't really run an NFL rout tree at all in college.

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Almost everything he did was screens or just ways of

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 1>getting the ball in his hands in space. But he

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 1>has the ability to run that vertical rout tree, particularly

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 1>from the slot. You know, if you're going to use

0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 1>him in the slot the way the Chiefs use tyreeek

0:32:56.880 --> 0:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Hill and just run him at safeties and terrify defense

0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 1>is because of it. I think he's potentially a much

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 1>scarier prospect for defense to contend with, and guys like

0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Elijah Moore from All miss who are potentially jumping in

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 1>him on some draft boards right now. Months ago, I

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 1>would have said the vast majority of Bengals fans we're

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 1>hoping that Pine Suel would be the Bengals pick at

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 1>number five. Now it seems like it's a pretty even split.

0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Sewel or Chase with a few people is holding out

0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>for Kyle Pitts. Where are you right now, a little

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 1>less than a month away from the draft. I think

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty close. I don't know that it's one of

0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 1>those great positions to be in where I don't think

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:39.920
<v Speaker 1>you're wrong either way. You know, if you pick a

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Pinay Suel or Jamar Chase or even a Kyle Pitts,

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you can be criticized for the move.

0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:48.640
<v Speaker 1>I think either way, you're getting one of the three

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>or four blue chip prospects in this draft that aren't quarterbacks,

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think any of them necessarily prohibit you

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 1>from coming back in the second round and getting a

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:00.840
<v Speaker 1>good player as well. There's only one on Kyle Pitts,

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 1>and I think there's a steper drop off a tight

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:05.200
<v Speaker 1>end than in the other positions. But you know, if

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:09.399
<v Speaker 1>you I would default to taking a Pina Sul because

0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 1>I think the gap between him and he's a potentially

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:17.520
<v Speaker 1>generational tackle prospect and that term he gets thrown around

0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 1>all the time, but I think he might honestly be that.

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:24.000
<v Speaker 1>What he did at nineteen years of age with his

0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 1>size in college was just ridiculous, Like you don't see

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:31.439
<v Speaker 1>tackles doing that, So I would grab him. I think

0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:33.759
<v Speaker 1>the second round is a great place to be for

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 1>wider stever help as well. I think he can come

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 1>back and get a player that will be an impact

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:42.799
<v Speaker 1>guy in the second round. And have a great draft

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 1>that way. Kyle Pitts would be intriguing one because you

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:49.400
<v Speaker 1>know whatever about Pena sul being a generational player, like,

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:51.799
<v Speaker 1>we have not seen a player like Kyle Pitts hit

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 1>the NFL maybe ever. I mean, he might be genuinely

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.879
<v Speaker 1>special in terms of being able to play tight end

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.600
<v Speaker 1>or x wider receiver both to an extremely high level

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.720
<v Speaker 1>and anything in between. I can see a good case

0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 1>to say, look, you're never going to find another Kyle Pitts,

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:10.759
<v Speaker 1>so we take this guy and deal with the other

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 1>positions later on. But it's a smaller need, I think

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:17.719
<v Speaker 1>than the other two. For people that are interested in

0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 1>learning more about Jamar Chase. You wrote an awesome scouting

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:23.480
<v Speaker 1>report about him based on your film study. I highly

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 1>recommend it for everybody that's trying to make up their

0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:31.280
<v Speaker 1>mind between Chase, Sewell or Pitts. The debate will continue,

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Sam Moudson, thanks very much, appreciate your time. Thanks for

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:38.320
<v Speaker 1>having me. I've now devoted entire episodes of this podcast

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:41.920
<v Speaker 1>to Piney Sewell and Jamar Chase. Have you made up

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 1>your mind or are you hoping for an episode devoted

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<v Speaker 1>to Kyle Pitts. We'll see. I hope you enjoyed this

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