WEBVTT - Stand Back and Stand By 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:11.000 Col Zone Media. On January twentieth, twenty twenty five, Donald 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:15.840 Trump was sworn in as president again. In one of 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:18.799 his first acts, that very same day, he signed a 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:22.079 proclamation that commuted the sentences of fourteen people who played 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:25.200 key roles in orchestrating the January sixth, twenty twenty one 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:30.200 riot at the United States Capitol. Everyone else, over fifteen 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:32.800 hundred people who'd been charged with crimes and connection with 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:37.680 the events that took place that day was pardoned. Most 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:41.239 of them minority served their time, but the pardons restored 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:44.479 their rights to do things like vote, serve on juries, 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:49.840 and buy guns. Hundreds of defendants whose cases were still 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.519 working their way through the legal system were suddenly relieved 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:57.280 of that burden. Their cases just went away. And for 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:01.720 about two hundred of those fifteen hundred people, that pardon 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.720 came while they were still in federal custody serving sentences 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:10.080 for the crimes they'd been found guilty of committing. Among 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.720 those two hundred people freed with the stroke of the 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:17.280 president's pen that day was Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio, 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:21.800 and I think it was a big win for America, 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:27.880 so America's back. Four months later, he was back in Washington, 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:48.320 d C. With a big announcement you want to take 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.480 away free nothing better to do? 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:52.280 Episode. 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:01.760 Oh I'm sorry, that's not the announcement. That's DC Neighborhood 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.680 Commissioner Patricia Aguino putting on a one woman protest against 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:11.360 the Proud Boys during that press conference. This is Enrique Tarrio, 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:17.040 Ethan Norden, Joseph Biggs, Zachary Real, and Dominic Bazolda versus 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:22.679 the United States government. That's right. A get out of 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:28.360 jail free card wasn't enough. They're suing for one hundred 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:47.400 million dollars. I'm Molly Conker, and this is weird little guys. 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.799 This isn't a typical episode. I don't know what that 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.560 actually even means any more, None of them really are. 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:04.119 But this isn't the story of one weird little guy. 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.720 It's more of a weird little situation and one that's ongoing. 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.920 This lawsuit is very freshly filed, so there will be 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.160 more to this story. But it's a story with a 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:18.880 lot of weird little characters, weird little guys whose stories 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:22.079 you may already be familiar with, and guys whose stories 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:25.160 are intertwined with some we've already talked about, and others 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:29.560 yet to come. That project I keep saying I'm working 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.120 on is still on the back burner. I'll get to 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:36.320 it eventually. You can probably hear in my voice that 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.760 I'm a little under the weather. I was sick as 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:43.440 a dog all week. I think I might have finally 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:47.080 gotten COVID. I mean, God only knows, because those little 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:50.280 testics don't really work anymore. In what difference does it 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.760 really make? But I finally understand what you all have 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.560 been talking about when you say you lost your sense 0:03:56.600 --> 0:04:00.160 of taste and smell. I mean I heard the word, 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:05.880 and I understood intellectually what you meant by them. But 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.760 it just doesn't sink in until you've got your tongue 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:13.120 pressed onto a lemon and you feel absolutely fucking nothing. 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:18.560 It's weird. So if that is what it was, I 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:20.599 guess that makes me maybe the last person in the 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.800 world to finally get it. I was starting to think 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:27.000 maybe I really was God's favorite, you know, somehow immune 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.760 to the worldwide plague. It's probably some kind of miracle 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.120 that I managed to escape it for a full five years. 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.000 I mean I was careful, right, I wear my mask 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.520 in court, but I got tear gased at the Insurrection 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:42.880 in twenty twenty one, I was shouldered to shoulder with 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:49.080 America's most unvaccinated, masked and coughing in the haze. I 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.839 spent some time in jail in twenty twenty. I was 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.720 a committed nail bier until last year. I had my 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.680 grubby little hands in my mouth sixteen times an hour 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:02.680 during a global pandemic. I never got it. I did 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:06.080 get really sick in the fall of twenty twenty, but 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:08.680 according to the CBS drive through nasal swam, that was 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:12.560 something else, just some disgusting virus I got as a 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.679 souvenir from an anti vax rally where a man dressed 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:19.880 as George Washington fell to his knees screaming about how 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:25.160 he was America's greatest prayer warrior. But that's neither here 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:29.760 nor there, point being. The virus comes for us all. 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.080 I'm fine now, but I spent the better part of 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.960 the week blowing my nose and complaining and not getting 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:42.040 any work done. So here we are again. The lawsuit 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:45.719 we're talking about today was filed on June sixth, twenty 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:51.440 twenty five. The plaintiffs are five proud boys Enrique Tario, 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:58.880 Joe Biggs, Ethan Norden, Zachary Real, and Dominic Pazzola. All 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.279 five were convicted by a jury of seditious conspiracy for 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.760 their actions leading up to and during the breach of 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:09.240 the Capitol Building on January sixth, twenty twenty one. Tario 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.680 was not physically present in DC on the day of 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.360 the riot, but he was central to planning the attack 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:18.560 that ultimately transpired, and as the leader. Tario received the 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:22.960 longest sentence of any January sixth defendant twenty two years. 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.920 Ethan Nordean was sentenced to eighteen years, Joe Biggs got 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:31.800 seventeen years, Zachary Reel got fifteen, and Dominic Pasola was 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:36.360 sentenced to ten years in prison. All five were released 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:40.239 after Trump's proclamation about the pardons, but of those five, 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:46.960 only in Riquet Tario was actually pardoned. Real, Nordeen, Pasola, 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:51.040 and Biggs did not receive pardons. They were on that 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:55.320 shortlist of high profile rioters who only had their sentences commuted, 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:01.640 and in this lawsuit they claimed their rights were vile. Obviously, 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:06.520 but we'll get to that. The suit names as its 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:10.880 defendants the United States of America, FBI, special Agent, Nicole 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:15.000 Miller in her individual capacity, and John Doe's one through ten. 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.920 These John Doe defendants are as yet unidentified employees of 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:25.520 the FBI and DOJ. It's not really unusual at this 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.920 stage of a suit like this to have these John 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:32.320 or Jane Doe defendants. You can identify individual actors through 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:36.920 the discovery process. The thing about the listed parties that 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.760 did catch my eye, though, is that they filed the 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:44.360 suit against those three named defendants. But in the section 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.800 of the complaint where you specify who the parties at 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:52.640 issue are, there are inexplicably a number of additional parties listed. 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.920 Every lawsuit is different. The facts are going to be 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:02.680 specific to the case, but the structure of a civil 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:06.000 complaint is more or less always pretty much the same. 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.880 There's a pretty bog standard structure and a lot of 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:14.920 boilerplate language. There's no getting around it. You can't get 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:19.119 fancy with it. There's a required format at the top. 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.640 You have your little introduction, and then you list and 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:25.120 describe the parties. You spell out the justification for jurisdiction 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:28.480 and venue, and then comes the statement of facts, where 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.800 you tell a little story about what happened and that's 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:36.800 followed by your cause of action, why are you suing specifically? 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:41.760 What legal theories are we operating off of? Here at 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:43.840 the bottom you say what kind of damages you're trying 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.080 to recover and whether or not you're asking for a 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:52.640 jury trial, and then it's signed, dated, and filed. There's 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:55.000 more to it than that. Get a lawyer if you're 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.360 trying to write a lawsuit. This isn't a crash course 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.679 on the federal rules of civil procedure or anything like that, 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:04.680 but you get the idea. Everybody's operating off the same template, 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:06.880 no matter how you're filling in the blankes here, we're 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:10.400 using the same format. So in the section where you 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:15.840 list the parties, we can all expect to see the parties, 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:20.120 the people named in the lawsuit, the people or entities 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:24.359 who are party to the case, the plaintiffs and the defendants, 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:26.480 the people who are doing the suing, and the people 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:31.840 being sued. And in this complaint, we do have those. 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.760 We've got our five proud boy plaintiffs and the name 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:39.000 defendants FBI Special Agent Nicole Miller and John Doe's one 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:43.160 through ten. But for some reason, this section also lists 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:47.400 a bunch of other people and organizations who are not 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:51.880 parties to the lawsuit, like the FBI, the DOJ, former 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:56.280 DC Metropolitan Police Lieutenant Shane LeMond, and a confidential informant 0:09:56.280 --> 0:10:00.680 that the suit calls Jen Low, despite readily of public 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.559 information that Jen Loo is a pseudonym used by a 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:08.440 woman whose real name is Jenny Lynn Salinis. And this 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.600 section of the complaint also lists the Proud Boys as 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:17.600 an organization, and it's described like this, The Proud Boys 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:22.560 are an organization of patriotic political activists dedicated to preserving 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:27.320 and promoting Western civilization in general and American society in particular. 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.600 The Proud Boy's organization and its members have been subject 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:37.120 to systemic harassment and mischaracterization by far left wing organizations 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.800 such as the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:47.240 Defamation League, and politically biased state and federal prosecutors. I 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:51.120 know it sounds like I'm nitpicking, and I am, but 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:55.600 this section of the complaint is called parties. It's for 0:10:55.720 --> 0:11:00.280 listing the parties to the lawsuit, not editorializing about barious 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:06.480 characters in the story that you're telling. It's sloppy and weird, 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.160 but I think I know why, and I think it's 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:12.599 the same reason that the complaint was filed in the 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:16.640 federal court in the Middle District of Florida. See. At 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.280 first I thought this was some kind of mistake. It 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.599 wouldn't be the first time this particular attorney was connected 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.280 to a lawsuit that was accidentally filed in the wrong 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:30.360 district because Enrique Tario famously lives in Miami, which is 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.760 not in the Middle District of Florida. But in justifying 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.920 the chosen venue, the complaint notes that one of the 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:42.360 plaintiffs does reside in the Middle District of Florida, though 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:47.600 it misspells the word one and it doesn't specify which one. 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:53.439 For what it's worth, it's Joe Biggs. The Proud Boys 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:57.120 owe the Metropolitan African Methodist Episcopal Church in DC over 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:00.800 three million dollars, and according to their most recent filings 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:04.640 related to collecting that money, Joe Biggs lives in Belusha County. 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.640 So that's fair. They can file in the Middle District 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:14.600 of Florida, and venue shopping is normal. They could have 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:16.800 chosen to file this in a handful of different federal 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.480 court districts. The plaintiffs live all over the place. It's 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.080 pretty normal. To choose the court you think will work 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:27.040 out best for you for whatever reason. But I think 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:30.440 they chose the Middle District of Florida because that's the 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.960 only federal court district where their attorney is a member 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:39.439 of the bar. I'll admit it. I was surprised when 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.520 I saw who they'd gotten to represent them, and maybe 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:45.400 I shouldn't have been. He's like a bad penny. He 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:50.720 just keeps turning up because they're at the very bottom 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:55.800 of this very weird, twenty eight page complaint. There's the 0:12:55.840 --> 0:13:05.360 signature Augustus Invictus Esquire. He's come up a handful of 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.200 times on this show, but it's never really the right 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:12.320 time to tell you about him. A couple of weeks ago, 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.720 in the episode about the lawsuit filed by Unite the 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.280 Right protesters against the city of Charlottesville because the police 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.080 weren't nice to them during their Nazi rally, he's the 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.800 one who ghost wrote that lawsuit. Months ago. In that 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:31.120 episode about those astro turfed marches against Sharia law, he 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:35.880 was the organizer and headline speaker of the march in Orlando, 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.679 And of course, in the episode in fall of last 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.719 year about the Nazi torch March at Eva, he made 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:45.880 an appearance as one of the marchers. It's going to 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.880 be a long, strange story when the day finally comes 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:52.000 for him to get his own episodes. But that day 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:59.880 is not today. He is, among other things, a practicing attorney. 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:04.320 On his website, he bills himself as the Attorney for 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:10.640 the Damned. That site, which is ostensibly an advertisement for 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:15.960 his legal services, is dominated by this gigantic screen shot 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.000 of a Charlotte Observer article about his own acquittal in 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:23.080 twenty twenty two on a domestic violence charge, and on 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.400 the site he proudly displays his own mug shot next 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:30.720 to a professional headshot, juxtaposing these two images to show 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:35.560 potential clients that sure, he's a professional attorney, but he's 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.400 been where they are. He gets it, and he won, 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:45.240 and you can too. Attorney for the Damned is a 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:49.240 mantle that's been claimed by others before him, and applied 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:53.080 to others still. It's the title of two separate books 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:56.520 about a different Ohio born attorney, Clarence Darrow, who you 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.840 may remember from The Scope's Monkey Trial. Another book with 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.080 the same title was written by an attorney who provides 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:07.960 state appointed services to those nemed criminally insane, and it 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.320 was the title of an article about death row appeals 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.480 in a nineteen eighty seven issue of the American Bar 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:18.320 Association Journal. It's a phrase that gets tossed around, but 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:22.160 in my mind, Augustus Invictus is the attorney for the 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:27.760 damned in the same way Edgar Steele was like Invictus. 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:31.360 It was Steele who gave himself the nickname, and in 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:35.200 Steele's case, it was after he unsuccessfully defended the Aryan 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.200 Nations in a lawsuit filed by the Southern Poverty Law Center. 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:41.840 The plaintiffs in that case were members of a family 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:43.960 who'd been shot at by the security guards at a 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:48.760 Nazi compound in Idaho. Steele eventually died in prison in 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:52.200 twenty fourteen. He was three years into a fifty year 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.120 sentence for trying to hire someone to murder his wife 0:15:55.120 --> 0:16:00.680 with a pipe bomb. So what I mean is Augustus 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:05.360 Invictus is a movement lawyer. He's not just there a lawyer, 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:10.440 He's a fellow traveler. Back in twenty seventeen, when he 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.560 was the headline speaker of the United the Right rally 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:17.960 in Charlottesville, he was also a proud Boy Augustus Invictus, 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.440 was second in command of a short lived group called 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:24.320 the Fraternal Order of Alt Knights. It was a group 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.000 within a group. It was a subset of Proud Boys 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:31.400 who were especially committed to violence, and it was fully 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:35.800 sanctioned by Proud Boys leadership. Shortly after the group was 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.360 formed by Kyle Chapman in the spring of twenty seventeen, 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.640 Proud Boy's magazine ran an article with the headline the 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:47.960 kids are Alt Knights, and the subhead was based Stickman 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:54.680 organizes official military arm of the Proud Boys. Based Stickman 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.360 was the nickname that Kyle Chapman earned after beating a 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.560 counter protester with a stick at a Trump rally in 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:06.040 March of twenty seventeen. He wasn't even a Proud Boy 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.560 at the time, but after the video of the assault 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:14.520 went viral, he was recruited and joined. Broadboy's founder Gavin 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:18.080 McGinnis took advantage of Chapman's viral Internet fame and had 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.439 him on as a guest on his show several times 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:23.879 in the weeks that followed. McGinnis even claims that he 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:27.520 considered making Chapman in the president of the entire organization, 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:32.520 but settled on endorsing Chapman's leadership of this new militant wing. 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.240 In May of twenty seventeen, Chapman invited Augustus and Victus 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:41.240 to speak at a free speech rally in Boston. Invictus, 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.399 who had already lost one run for Senate and was 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:48.160 about to announce another one, advocated for armed revolution over 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.560 political activism, and he urged the crowd to take up 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.720 arms because the Civil War had already started. 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:02.560 When comte port, when political port, he's only ineffective, and 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:06.439 speech and competitions in order rests me nothing. 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:14.640 You have nothing left with four suborbs. If I let 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:16.679 myself get going down this path, we'll be stuck on 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:21.040 this tangent for months. But the point is they didn't 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.119 hire Augustus and Victus because he was the finest lawyer 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:28.040 money could buy. I'm fairly familiar with his work, and 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:31.440 I would argue that he is very much not. They 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.400 hired him because they have a history and they share 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:39.439 a belief system, and he was very available. He's been 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.800 struggling to make ends meet for the last few years. 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.600 I think, in part because people are hesitant to hire 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.720 an attorney who might not make it to their court date. 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:53.159 He is at this very moment out on bond. He 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.919 was convicted in October of twenty twenty four on the 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:58.320 felony charge of burning an object with the intent to 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.800 intimidate for his perticipation in that Nazi torch march at 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:06.000 the University of Virginia back in twenty seventeen. In January 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.800 of this year, a judge imposed a sentence of nine 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.359 months in jail, but the execution of that sentence is 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:19.280 currently on hold pending his appeal. It's not ideal for 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.520 an attorney to be convicted of a crime. Can have 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:27.000 serious consequences for their license and know. The rules vary 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:31.119 from court to court. In the state of Florida, the 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:36.359 rules are actually extremely clear. Attorneys must self report any 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.520 felony conviction to the state bar within ten days of 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:44.240 the conviction order being entered. They're then automatically suspended from 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:48.280 the bar, and the rules very specifically say that this 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:52.000 suspension does remain in effect during any appeals process for 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:56.800 the criminal conviction. An attorney convicted of a felony can 0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:01.560 challenge their suspension from the bar. It is by order 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:06.639 of the Florida Supreme Court automatic. Those are the rules. 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:11.840 They're pretty clear, but they don't seem to have been 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:16.960 applied here. I have no explanation for this. At a 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:21.639 bond hearing earlier this year, Invictus's criminal defense attorney offered 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:26.240 a vague assertion that his client had self reported the 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:30.160 conviction to the Florida State Bar as required, but says 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.440 they told him that they wouldn't make any determination about 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:37.200 suspending his license or disbarring him until after the appeal 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:41.960 had concluded. That's what his attorney said. That's all I 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:46.360 can tell you. That's not consistent with the rules as 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:50.160 they're written, and there's no documentation I can find about 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:54.280 this either way. But if you take them at their 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:57.560 word that the Florida Bar said it's okay for him 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:01.000 to keep practicing law in a Florida state court, I 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:06.679 can accept that Florida's a weird place. But every jurisdiction 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:11.000 where an attorney practices law has its own rules, and 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.240 I did look up the local rules in the Middle 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:17.239 District of Florida. That's the only federal court aside from 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.080 the US Supreme Court where Invictus is a member of 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:24.359 the bar, and in the Middle District of Florida local 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:28.200 rule two point zero four B states that any attorney 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:31.760 admitted to practice in the district must report any felony 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:36.920 conviction within fourteen days. Suspension from the bar is automatic. 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:41.040 Attorneys in this position can file a petition to stay 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:44.360 the automatic suspension, and that petition has to be heard 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:48.720 by a judge. I think if it came before a judge, 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:51.880 I would be able to find evidence that this happened, 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:57.520 and I can't. Absence of proof isn't proof of absence. 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:00.800 I get that it's possible that it happened, but I 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:04.480 can't find anything, and I don't know why he would 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:08.320 be allowed to continue to practice law under these conditions. 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:12.200 It's not clear to me if the proud boy's lawyer 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:14.160 is even going to be allowed to appear in court 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:18.359 on this case. It's even more unclear what anyone's plan 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:21.960 is if their lawyer is unexpectedly required to report to jail. 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:27.040 His current situation is fluid. The judge who granted him 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:30.080 his appeal bond could decide at any time that he's 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.000 changed his mind and he's going to impose the sentence 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:37.840 next week. When Enrique Tarrio spoke to a reporter from 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:41.159 the Wall Street Journal about this lawsuit, He said that 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:43.439 they'd had no trouble at all finding an attorney to 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:47.920 take the case, saying, quote, we were able to shop, 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:50.359 and he claims he spoke to more than a dozen 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:54.399 law firms, adding I believe attorneys are going to do 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:57.000 backflips trying to get JA sixers on board with a 0:22:57.040 --> 0:23:01.679 lot of lawsuits. And if this suit proved successful, that 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:05.280 may be true down the line, but I'm not sure 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:10.359 it's been true in his experience, because if he had 0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:13.240 the pick of the litter, I don't think he would 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:17.120 have picked Augustus and Victus. And the press conference he 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:21.040 held to announce filing this suit last week wasn't actually 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:25.400 the first one. Back in February of this year, four 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:29.240 months before the suit was actually filed, Trio held a 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:31.159 press conference outside the Capitol Building. 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:37.560 Let me be clear, I'm not talking about violent retribution. 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:42.480 I'm talking about something much more powerful, accountability and the 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:43.200 rule of law. 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:44.560 Yeah, exactly. 0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:49.280 That is why today we are announcing a lawsuit against 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:56.800 the DOJ. And at that press conference back in February, 0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:00.919 Trio said they'd already raised tons of money for their 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:06.199 legal defense, all in cryptocurrency. Believe it or not, And 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:08.600 he also said they already had a lawyer lined up, 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:11.480 everything was ready to go and they were about to file. 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:16.440 My question, yet, who exactly is suing for the plaintiffs? 0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:17.720 Do you have a lawyer? 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:20.000 We do have a lawyer. We'll be announcing that in 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:22.800 the coming weeks, but right now it's the five of 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:24.919 us that are going to be suing the DJ. 0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:30.840 Just a few minutes after that press conference ended, Enrique 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:34.679 Tarrio was arrested for simple assault after striking the outstretched 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:36.520 arm of a woman holding up her cell phone to 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:40.800 take a video of him, But prosecutors ultimately declined to 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:46.959 pursue the case and the lawsuits still didn't materialize. And 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:53.439 then last month, on May third, twenty five, Enrique Tarrio 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:58.240 took his mom out to dinner. If you knew anything 0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:01.440 about Enrique Tarrio, you know he's fiercely loyal to his mother, 0:25:01.960 --> 0:25:06.520 Zuni du Artes. Kind of a mama's boy, and normally 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.800 I would leave a guy's mom out of this, but 0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:13.360 Tario's mother has been deeply involved in her son's political 0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:18.000 activities for years. It's her name on the incorporation paperwork 0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:20.960 for the business that has processed online payments for Proud 0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:26.879 Boys merchandise for years, and since the events of January sixth, 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:29.080 she's been a vocal supporter of her son and his 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:34.960 co defendants. So last month, they're out to dinner, and 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:38.919 they're out to dinner at a rather particular restaurant. They 0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:41.960 were invited to dine at mar A Lago by some 0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:46.800 unnamed member of the club, and during dinner that evening, 0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:51.400 this unnamed friend of theirs introduced them to the President 0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:54.640 of the United States as he was crossing the patio 0:25:54.680 --> 0:26:00.720 where they were eating. That night, Tarrio tweeted, and I 0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:04.040 just had a great conversation with Potus. He called me 0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:06.080 and my mother over while we were at dinner and 0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:08.359 said he was sorry for what Joe Biden did to 0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:11.720 all j sixers. He knew the hardships me and my 0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:14.800 family face for three long years. He knew how many 0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:17.919 times they moved me, and he said he's working on 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:21.520 making things right. I thanked him for giving me my 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:27.919 life back. He replied with I love you guys. To 0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:30.080 all the Jay sixers. He wanted me to send y'all 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:51.840 a message, He said, thank you working to make things right. 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:59.359 What could that possibly mean? Trio's already been pardoned. Trump 0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:02.400 pardoned him. He's free, his conviction is wiped away. He's 0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:06.560 technically still a convicted felon for a twenty thirteen conviction 0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:09.520 for his role in a scheme to resell a million 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:13.800 dollars worth of stolen diabetic test strips. But that's not 0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:17.959 what Trump meant. I mean, technically, Trump could pardon him 0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:20.600 for that too. It was a federal crime. But that's 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:25.160 not it. That's not what he means. This Saturday night 0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:28.320 meeting on the patio at Mar A Lago was just 0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:31.400 a day after the announcement that the administration was prepared 0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:34.280 to settle the wrongful death lawsuit filed by the estate 0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:38.960 of Ashley Babbitt. Ashley Babbitt was the January sixth rioter 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:41.400 who was shot and killed by a Capitol police officer 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:44.439