Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Chris Sims Pro Football Talk Live co host
Speaker 1: and of course, an analyst on Football Night in America.
Speaker 1: Chris Joyness on the program, if Tom Brady was still
Speaker 1: the quarterback of the Patriots, what kind of offensive game
Speaker 1: plan would the Patriots have had last night? Oh, I
Speaker 1: don't think it would have been well, but a little
Speaker 1: bit different. I don't think they're gonna throw the ball
Speaker 1: three times. I think they're gonna throw the ball more
Speaker 1: than that. You know, first off, of course, he's you know,
Speaker 1: played more football. You can trust them in the situation
Speaker 1: a little bit more. And you know, listen, one of
Speaker 1: the things that's amazing about the game is we know
Speaker 1: the elements were bad and one team won with three throws.
Speaker 1: To me, the other amazing thing about the game was
Speaker 1: a quarterback in Josh Allen where they just said, well,
Speaker 1: throw it thirty times, who cares, it's hurricane wins. You
Speaker 1: could throw it through it and he did. I mean
Speaker 1: that's the amazing thing. And I think Brady would be
Speaker 1: somewhere along those lines. Not that New England would have
Speaker 1: to rely on the hass the way the Bills do,
Speaker 1: but I think Brady's arm. You know how big his
Speaker 1: hands are, his arm is one of the more underrated
Speaker 1: things I think in the history of the NFL, where
Speaker 1: sometimes yeah, I think he's a little overrated in his goatness.
Speaker 1: I don't think he gets enough credit for how powerful
Speaker 1: his arm is and how many great games he had
Speaker 1: and tough with her weather up in New England. So
Speaker 1: let's say he gets fifteen to twenty throws last night
Speaker 1: instead of just three if he's in New England. When
Speaker 1: is the game plan finalized, when you know what the
Speaker 1: weather condition. When do you think Belichick or Josh McDaniels went, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what our philosophy is tonight. I think that
Speaker 1: they probably started to really take into account, you know,
Speaker 1: Wednesday or Thursday at some point to realize, hey, let's
Speaker 1: let's have a few extra runs in the game plan.
Speaker 1: Let's start to formulate a little bit if the weather
Speaker 1: is so bad that they had at least a de
Speaker 1: facto plan early in the week to go, we got
Speaker 1: to think about the game might be, you know, not
Speaker 1: manageable through the pass game, so we got to think
Speaker 1: about ways to do that. And they're like, again, having
Speaker 1: worked there, I mean, there's just no stone unturned. It's
Speaker 1: just it's at any point the details, the smallest details,
Speaker 1: the most basic details, they're they're just constantly stressed, day
Speaker 1: after day after day. And I would think early in
Speaker 1: the week they were on this that there would be
Speaker 1: a factor that they had to have at least some
Speaker 1: sort of a plan to attack that. I know we
Speaker 1: want to give Bill Belichick credit, and he deserves a
Speaker 1: lot of credit as maybe the greatest coach in NFL history,
Speaker 1: But what role does Josh McDaniels, offensive coordinator play in
Speaker 1: saying this is what I would like us to if
Speaker 1: Belichick deals with the defense and let Josh deal with
Speaker 1: the offense, should we be crediting Josh McDaniels not Bill Belichick. Well,
Speaker 1: we should give Josh a lot of credit, there's no doubt,
Speaker 1: but I think ultimately it still goes back to Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: This is why Belichick's the greatest coach ever. Not only
Speaker 1: is it about, yes, the defense, and we know all that,
Speaker 1: but you know these long staff meetings he has, you know,
Speaker 1: every day after practice, where it's it's coached the coaches,
Speaker 1: all of them, doesn't matter what side of the ball
Speaker 1: it is, it's coached. The coach's time, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: over it, and now I'm going to coach you on
Speaker 1: how to coach each one of these positions and what
Speaker 1: we should do in each situation. And you know, and
Speaker 1: again even in my time there, Dan McDaniels as smart
Speaker 1: as anybody I've been around. Just Tuesday, you know, I
Speaker 1: could be there running around making copies for things. Belichick
Speaker 1: and McDaniels could be in the corner of the hallway talking.
Speaker 1: I'd come back an hour later, they're still in the
Speaker 1: corner of the hallway talking. So I don't think anything
Speaker 1: happens there without Belichick. And even with the great offensive
Speaker 1: McDaniels and everything, it's built through Bill Belichick. To your
Speaker 1: point of why he's so great, you know, everything they
Speaker 1: do on offense, a lot of it is wait, when
Speaker 1: teams get in this formation and I'm in this defense,
Speaker 1: I don't like to see this. And then it's like
Speaker 1: McDaniel's going, okay, wait, Belichick doesn't like to see this,
Speaker 1: Let me draw up the play to do that then,
Speaker 1: And that's how really the offense has been formulated there
Speaker 1: in New England to even accentuate you know, Belichick's greatness,
Speaker 1: what would we be saying if the Patriots had the
Speaker 1: philosophy of three pounces and they lost last night, we
Speaker 1: would have been going, I mean, three passes. I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand being I mean, they didn't blow them out, Chris,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I think we'd all be going,
Speaker 1: I mean, at least let's get to eight or ten,
Speaker 1: like I mean, I think and and I mean I
Speaker 1: think to what you're asking. Listen, there was a point
Speaker 1: in the second half where I was going, I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, can we just give one play action or
Speaker 1: one boot here, just to keep them a little honest.
Speaker 1: But he didn't want to take the chance. He didn't
Speaker 1: want to take the chance out of them being in
Speaker 1: second and seven and third and four and their ability
Speaker 1: to maybe even run the ball. Of course, they ran
Speaker 1: in a ton on third down. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: we would probably be, you know, dissecting him a little
Speaker 1: bit in the fact that we'd like to see a
Speaker 1: few more pass more likely to miss the playoffs, the
Speaker 1: Bills or the Browns. I'm gonna still go with the
Speaker 1: Browns on that one. You know, I'm hopeful for the
Speaker 1: Browns because there's so much talent on the team, But
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful only because of that. Like the defense is
Speaker 1: all over the place. You've heard me say Dan before.
Speaker 1: You know, when the run game isn't good. The past
Speaker 1: game in Cleveland just not good enough to stand alone.
Speaker 1: So that's an issue for me. Buffalo again, it's still
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. He's a superstar, definitely one of the best
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the football. That defense is still very good.
Speaker 1: I still have more faith in them. Host one last night,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's wearing longer spikes against the Tennessee Titans. They
Speaker 1: probably win that game when they're down there running the
Speaker 1: quarterback sneak and he slips late in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's been more consistent in Buffalo
Speaker 1: throughout the year than Cleveland, that's for sure. And Buffalo
Speaker 1: has been losing to all the teams that they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to compete with if they get to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: Like they don't have like what's the signature win here?
Speaker 1: And I just don't get a good feeling. I didn't
Speaker 1: have a good feeling to start the year and thought
Speaker 1: they relied on Josh Allen too much, Right, that's right,
Speaker 1: But I know and I wonder if Cleveland would have
Speaker 1: been better if they had gone to case Keenum and
Speaker 1: instead of letting Baker Mayfield go out there injured. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that, you know, you know, hey, Baker does
Speaker 1: bring value, There's no doubt. And that's where the coaches
Speaker 1: got to figure out, like at what point is he
Speaker 1: hurting the offense? You know, So that's a real thing.
Speaker 1: And it's again the games haven't been good. But I
Speaker 1: also could sit there, Dad and you know, look at
Speaker 1: it and go, yeah, Baker the Detroit Lion game, for sure,
Speaker 1: missing throws on that one, but some of these other
Speaker 1: games as a late too, I want to just I
Speaker 1: watch some plays and go where do you want him
Speaker 1: to throw the ball? Where the New England game, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's nobody open. Baltimore game. I didn't sit come away
Speaker 1: watching that film, going, oh man, people are open. Baker
Speaker 1: really messed up, not at all. And that's where they're
Speaker 1: a little underwhelming. And you're about I think Buffalo is
Speaker 1: spot on two. You know, if you're not, if you're
Speaker 1: staying the same, you're getting worse. It's like they kind
Speaker 1: of just went, wait, we were good last year, we'll
Speaker 1: do it all again this year. No, you need to
Speaker 1: improve your football team a little bit. And it is
Speaker 1: to Josh Allen reliant to your point. And I think
Speaker 1: the other thing, too, is what we've seen, like especially
Speaker 1: in the Tennessee the Colts and the Patriots losses, when
Speaker 1: there's an overpowering, big offensive line running football team, they're
Speaker 1: a little compromised. They're not a big front seven team.
Speaker 1: They want to play basically nickel all game long. And
Speaker 1: you know, again, if they can get you to overplay
Speaker 1: the run the way they did in all those games,
Speaker 1: if you can just pass a little, you can expose them.
Speaker 1: And of course last night they didn't even have to
Speaker 1: pass to still have their way. He's Chris Simms Pro
Speaker 1: Football Talk Live co host they show that precedes Ours
Speaker 1: on Peacock with Mike Florio. If I said you can
Speaker 1: have the Chiefs of the Patriots the rest of the year, Chiefs,
Speaker 1: I mean now, I'm sorry Patriots, Patriots. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm not taking the Chiefs yet. I can't do that yet. No,
Speaker 1: you know again, I like what the Chiefs defense is doing.
Speaker 1: You know, I know the Patriots is not sexy, but
Speaker 1: neither was two thousand and one Super Bowl run. I
Speaker 1: mean just get used to twenty to seventeen, twenty three
Speaker 1: to fourteen. I just think that's the style of play
Speaker 1: they are. But they're too consistent on both sides of
Speaker 1: the ball, you know. Again the other night with the
Speaker 1: Chiefs offense, they just can't seem to be consistent or
Speaker 1: get out of their own way, whether it's drop passes,
Speaker 1: Mahomes still missing throws where I'd go, Man, the average
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback should make that throw, let alone Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: All these years, I see him do it with his
Speaker 1: eyes closed, you know. So it's just a it's a
Speaker 1: crazy year from that standpoint of I haven't seen a
Speaker 1: guy that was so amazing, you know, kind of come
Speaker 1: back to earth and just not be that amazing in
Speaker 1: a lot of moments during during the year, we're running
Speaker 1: out of MVP candidates. Feels like it's Tom Brady. Then
Speaker 1: there's a big separation Aaron Rodgers. I guess Mahomes is
Speaker 1: in there. I can't put johnsh Allen in there. No,
Speaker 1: you can't. I don't think you could put Mahomes in
Speaker 1: there either, right, you know you can't. I don't think
Speaker 1: you can, and we all want to. The touchdowns are
Speaker 1: gonna be there, Jonathan, right. I mean, hey, that's one
Speaker 1: guy I'll look at for sure. I think that could
Speaker 1: be in this conversation. Maybe if t J. Watt gets
Speaker 1: on fire here the last few weeks and gets the
Speaker 1: twenty two sacks somewhere in that range. But again, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Get the playoffs, they give it to the
Speaker 1: defensive player of the year. I mean, that's now they
Speaker 1: know they separate that. But it feels like Brady is
Speaker 1: just being Brady. Maybe nothing special, but that might be
Speaker 1: good enough because everybody else has been inconsistent, no doubt.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, really Kyler Murray being out for
Speaker 1: a month, is it's gonna cost him the MVP because
Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance they do end up
Speaker 1: with the top seed in the NFC playoffs, and he'd
Speaker 1: be that guy like they jumped on the scene this year.
Speaker 1: He's the order back. We know how dangerous he was,
Speaker 1: so his injury affected that. I would I'm with you
Speaker 1: and the fact that, yeah, it's probably Brady from the
Speaker 1: facts of wins and stats, you know, But I guess
Speaker 1: what I would say a little bit is the name
Speaker 1: you brought up to me, Aaron Rodgers right now again,
Speaker 1: as annoying as he was during the COVID thing. He
Speaker 1: you know, it is just a poster child for MVP.
Speaker 1: We see how average they are without him when he
Speaker 1: wasn't in there. You know, he's special. Again, I don't
Speaker 1: think any of us think that the supporting cast is
Speaker 1: that great. It's good, no doubt, but not great. You
Speaker 1: and to me, he is just a big what he
Speaker 1: does with the line of scrimmage, having a feel for
Speaker 1: the overall game. You know, I would look at him
Speaker 1: and Brady and probably Jonathan Taylor's the three guys right now.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna hurt Rogers with what happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, Yeah, and it should because you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna be the most valuable player, but then you missed
Speaker 1: the Kansas City game or maybe cost your team the
Speaker 1: number one seed, right, I agree, that's gonna come back
Speaker 1: to bite him in the butt most likely. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the way the Brady is throwing the ball, their offense
Speaker 1: just continues to attack. It seems like it going again.
Speaker 1: They're gonna get the wins, and he's gonna have the
Speaker 1: numbers to match it. It seems like it's lining up
Speaker 1: for that. What's your opinion on the pseudos slide by
Speaker 1: Kenny Picket at the Pittsburgh Quarterbacks in the ACC title game. Ah,
Speaker 1: it makes me want to puke. I'm sick of it.
Speaker 1: I'm sick of all this protecting the quarterback crap. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's like cheating right there. It's cheating. It really is.
Speaker 1: I you know, again, I'm not mad at him. He's
Speaker 1: don't hate the player, hate the game. I understand that.
Speaker 1: But to me, this is again, this is another just
Speaker 1: little snippet of information that we have to protecting the
Speaker 1: quarterback has gone. Were just overboard, overboard some of the
Speaker 1: horrible calls in the NFL. The horrible call last night.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is running, he jumps in bounds and gets hit,
Speaker 1: and they called hitting the quarterback too hard. Again, I
Speaker 1: didn't like it, I really don't. And I think that
Speaker 1: football has got to do something about it. Wait, do
Speaker 1: you think quarterbacks are embarrassed by the protection they receive? Like?
Speaker 1: I think they know how embarrassing it is, but they're
Speaker 1: gonna try to do all they can to take advantage
Speaker 1: of it. I think they know. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I think Brady and Rogers and Josh Allen like they're tough,
Speaker 1: football minded guys, not just quarterbacks. But I think they
Speaker 1: also they realize, Yeah, I mean that's bad. Football's getting rewarded. Hey,
Speaker 1: we didn't protect nobody was open, but you hit me
Speaker 1: too hard. It's great first down Fantasy owners were still
Speaker 1: going offense is good. I think they know's how embarrassing is.
Speaker 1: But they're gonna do their best to get a free
Speaker 1: fifteen all they can and I can't be mad at
Speaker 1: them for that. Brady would not still be playing if
Speaker 1: this was the nineteen seventies, no way, or the eighty
Speaker 1: or again. Yeah right, he wouldn't you know, I would
Speaker 1: have a hard time thinking. So, I mean just watching
Speaker 1: you know, my dad, Dan Marino, John Elway, Troy Aikman.
Speaker 1: I mean the beating they took. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: the deadweight rule. I mean Reggie White literally used to
Speaker 1: pick my dad up and just drop his weight on
Speaker 1: him and body slam him. And you know, my dad's
Speaker 1: shoulders are still paying the price for that. I mean,
Speaker 1: he would have a little more cartilage, might be able
Speaker 1: to throw the ball overhand to his grandkids, but he
Speaker 1: can't do that. A wow, Yes, yes, there's an issue there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: does Tampa have any issues that concern you heading into
Speaker 1: the home stretch A little bit? A little they do.
Speaker 1: You know, there hasn't been cleaned the last two weeks.
Speaker 1: I mean, they were begging for the Colts to beat them.
Speaker 1: The Colts outplayed them again last week. Atlanta hung around,
Speaker 1: had some long drives. Defensively not playing that good right now.
Speaker 1: It's one of the first films I'm gonna go watch here,
Speaker 1: Dan when I get done, just because, hey, Matt Ryan
Speaker 1: and company had a little success running the football. But man,
Speaker 1: you know they're letting up a lot of plays in
Speaker 1: the past game. They are, and I know they're just
Speaker 1: getting healthy in the secondary, but you know, not playing
Speaker 1: at the elite level that I think they're capable of.
Speaker 1: That's for sure. You know they're winning games, I know that,
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's their best football. Great to
Speaker 1: talk to you, buddy, Thank you, Chris, Thanks Matt be good.
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Speaker 1: a controversy going on. It's a continuation of a controversy
Speaker 1: yesterday late in the show where we found out from
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer he got the case that is supposed to
Speaker 1: have the Heisman Trophy in it for his induction into
Speaker 1: the College Football Hall of Fame last night in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: But the key to opening this very secure case is
Speaker 1: not there with it. I don't know if the Heisman
Speaker 1: is in there. I'm hoping it is, but we can't
Speaker 1: find the key. The key has been lost, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is some sort of bait and
Speaker 1: switch Indiana Jones, where somebody might have put a forty
Speaker 1: pounds sack of sand in there, and maybe they have
Speaker 1: the Heisman trophy on their mantel. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just know I went in the back in the back
Speaker 1: room guys. As quoting one of the back room guys,
Speaker 1: I will blow the damn lid off this. If I
Speaker 1: get immunity, you can grant that. I can grant immunity.
Speaker 1: All I know is Dylan in the back is pointing
Speaker 1: a finger at Mario and says, I will blow I
Speaker 1: will blow this out of the water if I'm granted immunity.
Speaker 1: And I am going to grant Dylan immunity here. Might
Speaker 1: have to put him on the air here. But like
Speaker 1: the Sammy the Bull of the back room, Well, it
Speaker 1: didn't take long before they started to turn on one another.
Speaker 1: Henry Hill like Henry Hill. Yes, yes, but it was.
Speaker 1: There was some finger pointing as I walked back and
Speaker 1: the big german is just there listening, and I went,
Speaker 1: oh wow. And then that's when I got the bombshell.
Speaker 1: You give me immunity and I'll blow this damn thing
Speaker 1: out of the water. Yes time. So Marrio already has
Speaker 1: that ill devised basketball shot that will never let him
Speaker 1: live down. And we're gonna put this on top of
Speaker 1: him too. As to what this whole Carson Palmer Heisman
Speaker 1: situation is, well, that's a lot to handle. It feels
Speaker 1: like you're shifting blame there. Do you like the fact
Speaker 1: that it's been narrowed down to just Dylan and Mario
Speaker 1: as the culprits? Okay, but you were the overseer. I
Speaker 1: guess I was the delegator for the delegator slash over here,
Speaker 1: Sean Payton got suspended for a year. That's true. That's
Speaker 1: very true. Okay, and look, I will take it upon
Speaker 1: myself that I let you be involved in it. Therefore
Speaker 1: I let Dylan and Mario, so it is on me. Yes,
Speaker 1: it is a Dan Patrick show. I do take full responsibility.
Speaker 1: I chose the wrong people to trust you did. Yes,
Speaker 1: that was poor job by you. Yes, I thought we
Speaker 1: could handle that. I just while we're firing off blame everywhere,
Speaker 1: I just do want to say that it was you
Speaker 1: who put it in the box. Correct. No, oh, I
Speaker 1: thought that was the did the update from yesterday, You
Speaker 1: were the one who actually placed there. I watched it close.
Speaker 1: I didn't put it in. I don't pick up something
Speaker 1: that heavy. I mean, I lift this show every day,
Speaker 1: but I'm not. I'm not. I have people who carry
Speaker 1: around my trophies. I watched said heisman be put into
Speaker 1: the suitcase. I did not, yes, permission to badge your
Speaker 1: the witness. So you did have the opportunity to say,
Speaker 1: how exactly are you planning on putting the key in
Speaker 1: with this mail it out so that everything runs smoothly
Speaker 1: on there and when they get no, because I didn't
Speaker 1: know how said key arrived with said heisman to begin with. Odd,
Speaker 1: But why shouldn't matter how it came if you think
Speaker 1: there's a certain specific way that I should go back. Okay,
Speaker 1: why would I think somebody shipping it out is going
Speaker 1: to slap a key on an envelope on a suitcase
Speaker 1: and it's got the heisman in there. You just said
Speaker 1: moments ago you should have known bet as to who
Speaker 1: to delegate this responsibility to, so that basically means you
Speaker 1: knew that there would be some incompetence involved. All the
Speaker 1: more reason why you should say, here is exactly how
Speaker 1: I'd like you to send the key, because I don't
Speaker 1: trust you guys to send it back the right way.
Speaker 1: This is why I delegate TOD so people can have
Speaker 1: some kind of responsibility. That delegation you claim from being
Speaker 1: an executive producer on here to a lowly booker in
Speaker 1: the back corner, a self titled executive producer. And then
Speaker 1: you go, I'm just a booker. Actually, I said, senior
Speaker 1: vice president of talent slash executive producer. But now if
Speaker 1: in this situation, I'm just a booker, I get the guests.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened with the key. I will
Speaker 1: give Dylan immunity and I will talk to him during
Speaker 1: the commercial break and I will get to the boy
Speaker 1: him of this bombshell. But really, we got to find
Speaker 1: the key. That's it, no matter what, no matter who's
Speaker 1: to blame, we got to find the damn key for
Speaker 1: the heisman. Carson Palmer was inducted into the College Football
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame last night in Las Vegas, and he
Speaker 1: wanted to have his heisman on display. Who wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to have their heisman with him in there in Vegas? Right, Fritzie,
Speaker 1: you have to have at least that you're the heisman
Speaker 1: trophy whatever. Romo's there and you got that over Romo. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean all you got it. Tony Romo got inducted
Speaker 1: to Carson Palmer brings out the suit case and it's
Speaker 1: like ballgat and that's like scoreboard. Tony Romo doesn't have that.
Speaker 1: He and Romo brought the same number of heisman's to
Speaker 1: the ceremonial. Wow, too soon, dang too soon. I somehow
Speaker 1: gave Carson Palmer the heisman. I did because he couldn't
Speaker 1: open it up. So he has his heisman suitcase and
Speaker 1: we don't have the key for the heisman, but we
Speaker 1: did say I hope it works out and a good
Speaker 1: luck to you. I did put out that emails like
Speaker 1: a complete sensitive to the situation. I'll tell you one
Speaker 1: day he'll be able to figure out how to open
Speaker 1: the case without the strug. But didn't they send an
Speaker 1: email saying, hey, no luck, we haven't found the key,
Speaker 1: and then didn't you follow up with an insensitive like
Speaker 1: it wasn't meant to be in some good weekend guys? Yeah? Maybe?
Speaker 1: About twelve minutes later, I said, any luck opening that
Speaker 1: even though they just said that we can't. What are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Well, I don't know what I'm gonna do,
Speaker 1: but I feel terrible because you know, I got Carson
Speaker 1: Palmer gave us his heisman, loaned it to us, and
Speaker 1: we've lost it. And that's that's a bummer. Can we
Speaker 1: really believe it's a chance in that case? I don't
Speaker 1: know if we need HAROLDO. River to show up that
Speaker 1: there's something other than the heisman trophy in that case.
Speaker 1: Right now. I don't know if you would take the
Speaker 1: key out of the envelope if you weren't going to
Speaker 1: look inside the package inside the suitcase and steal the
Speaker 1: heisman trophy altogether and put sand in there. It's that
Speaker 1: why are you laughing about this time? I'm just just
Speaker 1: the thought of them opening the case and breaking this
Speaker 1: thing open and it's something other than the Heisman trophy.
Speaker 1: It's not funny, but it's that's just wild that could
Speaker 1: possibly even be something that could be existing there. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like geraldo and he finally opens up
Speaker 1: that tomb and there's nothing more there al Capone's vault
Speaker 1: there by the way segue. The Heisman finalists were announced
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson, Kenny Pickett, c J. Stroud, and Bryce Young. Yes,
Speaker 1: Bryce Young, the expected winners, already on record of saying
Speaker 1: there's no chance, but that's coming to the dead. Patrick's yes, Pa.
Speaker 1: Three of those young men will not have a heisman,
Speaker 1: just like Carson Palmer. Uh. You know, it'd be a
Speaker 1: better conversation piece if you just put the briefcase on
Speaker 1: the mantel and people wanted to know what was in there,
Speaker 1: and you just say, oh, the heisman heisman is in there.
Speaker 1: That's that's all you need. Yes, yes, I'll just answered
Speaker 1: the phone, which he never does in it show. I
Speaker 1: know he's usually very annoyed at people who call him
Speaker 1: during the show, but this, this must be very important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't give you. The hour two poll is actually
Speaker 1: from mostly from Twitter. Who's to blame. Our choices are
Speaker 1: Todd Dylan in the back, Mario in the back, You,
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer, the Heisman people, the College Football Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: and we have a writing for Mark Emmert, the NCAA president, Emirate.
Speaker 1: How about the shipping company. Yes, we won't name which
Speaker 1: shipping company. The shipping company, Yeah, Paul, you answered the phone.
Speaker 1: It was an area code that was the same air
Speaker 1: code as the College Football Hall of Fame. I picked
Speaker 1: it up and there was no answer. I'm not making
Speaker 1: that up. It was the same airy code. Oh I
Speaker 1: think they're preparing a statement. Oh my god, this is
Speaker 1: this is horrible. And I had people yesterday saying, hey,
Speaker 1: good bit with the Carson Palmer Heisman thing. I said,
Speaker 1: it's not a bit. There there is no key. Our
Speaker 1: truth is always better than our fiction. Yes, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: not good at fiction. Our truth is is great. It's entertaining. Yes,
Speaker 1: what if you pitch a screenplay and you told the
Speaker 1: story the first would be like, wait, why did Carson
Speaker 1: Palmer send his hsband? I know, I know we're not
Speaker 1: gonna get anything anymore. We don't win awards. We ask
Speaker 1: people to send their awards. Darius Rutgers Grammy from Hooting
Speaker 1: the Blowfish. But he did get that back. I just
Speaker 1: send that back when the Grammys they saw it on
Speaker 1: my desk and I'm like, what get that back? So
Speaker 1: we're one for two. Harold Reynolds got his Gold Glove back,
Speaker 1: so I'm two for three right now. That one though,
Speaker 1: we were like, ah, we'll just send this one back.
Speaker 1: I'm Mac Jones. I'm two for three last night. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's a big incompletion and big like a red zone
Speaker 1: in completion. I've lost the We've lost the key on
Speaker 1: this one. Yes it is. Somebody picked it off, damn.
Speaker 1: And you're gonna make jokes, you know they joke boy.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about Harold Reynolds. Couldn't even count
Speaker 1: that you could get like a garage sale in your neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Gold glove spray painting, whatever cardboard thing that was. That's
Speaker 1: that's offensive to all Gold Glove Award winners. I don't
Speaker 1: make a lot of errors if that's what you're gonna get.
Speaker 1: I agree, Todd. I'm with you. Ball go for your legs.
Speaker 1: I don't need that. Just you know what, I'm a bronze,
Speaker 1: I'm a silver. It's the most disappointing award I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: No offense. If you would have said, hey, look at
Speaker 1: my kid, did I'd go, oh, that's cute, that's nice.
Speaker 1: You know, Timmy, what is he nine? Yeah? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got some rustoleum, but all this Macaronians cigar box here
Speaker 1: you go, Merry Christmas, Dad. The exact same vibe. The
Speaker 1: gold glove was. Really they spray painted two baseballs and
Speaker 1: it looked like it would be a Little League troph
Speaker 1: fee of sorts, and then they just put a glove
Speaker 1: and spray painted that as well, and they went, hey,
Speaker 1: gold glove, and that's it. Yes, time my son's participation trophy.
Speaker 1: And don't think of age seven would rival putting it
Speaker 1: next to that gold glove. You'd probably take my kid's
Speaker 1: trophy over that cliff. Yeah, that was really disappointing. Like
Speaker 1: the heisman's heavier than what you think. I shouldn't be
Speaker 1: bringing up the heisman again. I got a distance myself
Speaker 1: from then. Yes, mclovin. Yeah, tis trying to change the
Speaker 1: subject by ripping the gold. Oh yeah, all right, So
Speaker 1: I'm going to grant immunity from Dylan, who works in
Speaker 1: the back. He was part of the shipping team. I'm
Speaker 1: doeld the brain trust. Yeah, exactly as Mario said, are
Speaker 1: you going to trust a guy who looks like he's homeless?
Speaker 1: And then Dylan then said, you look like a failed
Speaker 1: gym teacher. So character assassination, Yeah, you don't have facts
Speaker 1: on your side. You make fun of the witness. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you look like a failed gym teacher. Is pretty pretty good.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good, pretty just as a line not necessarily
Speaker 1: directed at Mario, but that's a pretty good line. But
Speaker 1: the fact that it is directed at Mario makes it
Speaker 1: even makes a little bit of gangster. Oh man, any
Speaker 1: who Tom in Ohio? Hi Tom? What's on your mind today?
Speaker 1: Hi Dani? Are you doing? Oh well, not great? Not
Speaker 1: great today? I you know, I'm getting a good laugh
Speaker 1: out and everything, just like everybody else's. But um, if
Speaker 1: that case gets opened up and that heisman is missing,
Speaker 1: I think the levity will end. Nobody's gone. Somebody's going
Speaker 1: to want that heisman back or I mean, Carson's laid
Speaker 1: back guy and he's happy, good lucky, and it was
Speaker 1: in his garage and I understand all that, but that's
Speaker 1: his Heisman trophy day. I know, Tom, I'm I'm bummed down.
Speaker 1: I'm being serious, I'm bummed down. What touch? Someone called
Speaker 1: the College Football Hall of Favor, that's what it was.
Speaker 1: Then what happens there holding it for ransom with one
Speaker 1: of those electronic voices that you can't trace who it is, Paulie,
Speaker 1: would you check eBay just to see if somebody got
Speaker 1: a heisman up there? Yeah, Seton, I did yesterday. Actually
Speaker 1: I did check eBay yesterday. There's a lot of replicas.
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to come across a Carson Palmer. I
Speaker 1: just feel bad. I mean, he's inducted into the College
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame and he said, hey, I need
Speaker 1: the heisman. They want to display it. You know, boxed
Speaker 1: it up, sent it out, got the box that it's in,
Speaker 1: can't open it, no key. Yeah, Polly, this isn't the
Speaker 1: wildest way a USC athlete has lost a Heisman trophy,
Speaker 1: but it's one of many. Now, OJ, we had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with Oj. We had nothing to do with him.
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush. We had nothing today. That's not true. Well
Speaker 1: you did. Yes, we had a little something to do
Speaker 1: with Reggie Bush's heisman being found and sent back. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Paully was on a mission. Oh I got some tips,
Speaker 1: Yes you did. It's like the Heisman committee didn't know
Speaker 1: where the heisman was and Paully goes, oh find it. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: they wanted it back and they it wasn't sent back. Okay,
Speaker 1: find the key then, yes, Ton, you can get a
Speaker 1: carsh and Paul or pretty much any heisman mini holiday
Speaker 1: ornaments for fourteen ninety nine as a consolation. For some reason,
Speaker 1: it's a thing of sand that it's not in there?
Speaker 1: Would he accept that fifteen dollars ornament as an alternative?
Speaker 1: There has to be a master key for these heisman boxes.
Speaker 1: Is it shaped like the heisman guy and a little
Speaker 1: That might be the giveaway. But somebody opened up the envelope.
Speaker 1: We have a picture of the envelope that was opened up. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm told by one of my sources that when they
Speaker 1: went to the shipping facility, the person the shipping facility
Speaker 1: did some extra taping to make sure it was more cure.
Speaker 1: The envelope. Okay, so when it when it left our
Speaker 1: shores or our area, it was more secure than when
Speaker 1: we handed off to the shipping people. More secure that
Speaker 1: the person felt. That was what I heard from the
Speaker 1: back room. Yeah, but I don't know what to believe
Speaker 1: in the back room. Of course, there is there is
Speaker 1: chaos back there right now. Roger in Indiana. Hi, Roger,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind? I have the key I had
Speaker 1: to pull over. I was laughing so hard. You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't tell me there's anout a locksmith in Las
Speaker 1: Vegas to get into that thing. I all I know
Speaker 1: is what I'm told through Paulie from Carson Palmer's people
Speaker 1: in the College Football Hall of Fame. That's all I know,
Speaker 1: because I said to Carson, is there a master key?
Speaker 1: But he couldn't open Okay. All I know is he
Speaker 1: couldn't open up and display his heisman last night at
Speaker 1: the College Football Hall of Fame. That's all I know.
Speaker 1: All Right, I gotta go in the back I gotta
Speaker 1: see if I'm going to Grant and Dylan immunity, and
Speaker 1: then we'll find out if Mario is the person to blame.
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Speaker 1: went in the back. During the commercial break, Mario is
Speaker 1: back there, Dylan is back there, and they're pointing figures
Speaker 1: at one another about who is the one to blame
Speaker 1: for the missing key for Carson Palmer's Heisman case. Can
Speaker 1: you guys have Dylan come out? He can sit in
Speaker 1: mclovin's chair and all I gave him immunity. But Dylan's
Speaker 1: going to come out. I granted him immunity. Mario wants
Speaker 1: immunity as well. But Mario is supposed to be the
Speaker 1: one who was heading this up. So Dylan is the
Speaker 1: one who I guess is responsible for shipping out the
Speaker 1: Heisman case and a key attached to it. Yes, Paul Dan,
Speaker 1: before you get to the interview for radio people, how
Speaker 1: would you describe what Dylan looks like? What was the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator who went to work for the Lions from
Speaker 1: the Patriots Matt Patricia. Oh? Yeah, he looks like if
Speaker 1: met Patricia was more down on his luck. I have
Speaker 1: gotten that for Okay, a few more vices. Perhaps this
Speaker 1: isn't the first time that Dylan has been granted immunity
Speaker 1: in his life. But you you have the opportunity here,
Speaker 1: you have a statement to make. I do um. First
Speaker 1: of all, I wanted the record I'm not a rat,
Speaker 1: never been a rat. But um I would like to
Speaker 1: clear my name. Okay, So Mario, it's Mario's fault really
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Okay, I was instructed
Speaker 1: by Mario, which I should have ignored, to be honest,
Speaker 1: But he said, it's in an envelope tape to the
Speaker 1: outside of the case. So so it was already taped. No,
Speaker 1: it was not. It had been when it got here.
Speaker 1: So I instructed to tape the key to the side
Speaker 1: of the heisman. Yes, okay by Mario. Okay, who is
Speaker 1: your boss? Um? No, but he said, and I definitely
Speaker 1: shouldn't listen to him. Um, So I take it to FedEx. First.
Speaker 1: I put it in a white envelope, the one that
Speaker 1: we've seen in the photograph, the one that was opened.
Speaker 1: The one that was open. It was not open at
Speaker 1: the time. It was sealed. And then at FedEx it
Speaker 1: was put into a plastic sleeve which was then stuck
Speaker 1: onto the case. So a second layer of protection by
Speaker 1: the shipping company. Yes, and I was not told to
Speaker 1: do otherwise by the professionals at said shipping company, thereby
Speaker 1: clearing me of any guilt sort of. Did you at
Speaker 1: any point think this seems maybe a little haphazard. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be honest, Dan, I didn't, which is probably worse.
Speaker 1: But it looked pretty legit to me at the time. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll go back in the in the back. Okay,
Speaker 1: I hope that's enough to you know, make immune do
Speaker 1: it worthwhile. Nobody's going to be fired. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: fire anybody that's too bad that kills the bed of
Speaker 1: ruins the bed. Yeah. See, yeah, I don't want to
Speaker 1: make a serious situation more serious. But the second layer
Speaker 1: of envelope that was there, the plastic one that was
Speaker 1: then the paper one was put inside of another one
Speaker 1: that was then taped to the side of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: really really really makes it sound like somebody deliberately opened it,
Speaker 1: and makes me much more concerned that the Heisman trophy
Speaker 1: is actually inside the box. Wait you think the heisman
Speaker 1: is in there? It makes me wonder even more if
Speaker 1: it's actually in there, if if that means somebody for
Speaker 1: the paper to have been ripped the way that it was,
Speaker 1: it would have had to gone through the plastic one
Speaker 1: and then the paper one, and then somehow the key
Speaker 1: fell out of both of those. That's two layers. Oh man,
Speaker 1: that's very nervous. I believe somebody opened it up, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know there were any markings
Speaker 1: on the box of if it looked like they tried
Speaker 1: to open it up. You know, we we don't know
Speaker 1: because did Carson Palmer mention the heisman last night when
Speaker 1: he was there for the Hall of Fame induction. Yes,
Speaker 1: we have this brief piece of audio. Okay, that's it,
Speaker 1: that's all. That's it. Yeah, the actual audio cars. No,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the movie seven, isn't it. That's not true? No, No,
Speaker 1: that's actual audio Carson, isn't that Brad Pitt? Yes, So
Speaker 1: you know, I was a paralegal. I have some legal expertise.
Speaker 1: I heard Dylan talking, and immediately I could tell he
Speaker 1: had been lawyered up, like he knew. He was like
Speaker 1: here too. Therefore, like he was a little too fancy.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you trust him. Okay, yes see.
Speaker 1: He also said Mario told me to do it, and
Speaker 1: I did, which is not good enough for me. That's
Speaker 1: he said. He said. He's like, well he told me too.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, yeah, you're supposed to know better, though,
Speaker 1: although Dylan did admit to not knowing better. Yeah. At
Speaker 1: the same time, so he wears socks when it's eight
Speaker 1: degrees out, I mean he wears no socks. He wears
Speaker 1: slip ons when it's eighth degrees out come on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I can't dinging for that. I mean, there's other things.
Speaker 1: You do. Get the sense though that if anybody here
Speaker 1: could break into that box, it's Dylan, yes, and I
Speaker 1: who needs the key? I'll just bust into it myself.
Speaker 1: God it, I feel so bad if somebody has stolen
Speaker 1: that amazement. But why take out the key if you
Speaker 1: didn't use the key like I don't. That's what I
Speaker 1: don't know here. And also why stick the envelope back
Speaker 1: on there? Ripped off? Like if it was ripped open,
Speaker 1: and then what they tape it back on. That doesn't
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense either, Like just throw the
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Speaker 1: Kirk curb Street ESPN college football analyst Herbie, how is
Speaker 1: your day? I'm good man. How you doing well? I've
Speaker 1: had better days, had a bad day yesterday and it's
Speaker 1: continued today. We've lost the key to Carson Palmer's heisman. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know the container. We sent the box back to him.
Speaker 1: He'd loaned us his heisman for about a year and
Speaker 1: then we sent it back and he wanted it for
Speaker 1: the College Football Hall of Fame induction. And he has
Speaker 1: the case, he doesn't have the key to open it up.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I know, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: You can, you can't? Is it too late to him?
Speaker 1: Do you know? Because you guys do the Heisman Show,
Speaker 1: and do you know if they're is one key that
Speaker 1: fits all Heisman suitcases? Well you know there's only one
Speaker 1: person that you can ask that too, and that's the
Speaker 1: Commissioner of College Athletics. That's Chris Fowler. So I have
Speaker 1: no idea at all how that works. Chris is intimately
Speaker 1: involved in the Heisman. I'm just merely a pawn, PAULI
Speaker 1: can you check with Fowler and Fritzie and just see
Speaker 1: is there a key that will open that up so
Speaker 1: I can get this to cars. I don't want him
Speaker 1: to break open that suitcase with the heisman there, But
Speaker 1: that's that's my problem. You're working the Heisman Show. Aren't you. No, No,
Speaker 1: the last year, it's it's um. It's honestly a blessing
Speaker 1: because we do Army Navy UM that same day. And
Speaker 1: all these years we would do Army Navy with College
Speaker 1: Game Day, whether we're Baltimore, Philly or in this case
Speaker 1: in New Jersey it Met Life and then we would leave,
Speaker 1: we go back and you know, you'd love to do
Speaker 1: the Heisman, but Lee and I, you know, we're in
Speaker 1: the back of the room. A couple of questions, and
Speaker 1: truly Fouler and the four or five finalists, it's really
Speaker 1: their show. Well, we last year got off of it
Speaker 1: and we got to stay. For two years ago we
Speaker 1: got to stay for Army Navy and first time all
Speaker 1: these years are doing game Day in the morning. Never
Speaker 1: got to stay and it's such a cool scene. And
Speaker 1: so no, this year I'll be I'll be there again
Speaker 1: watching Army and Navy fired up the home depot show
Speaker 1: College Game Day. Army Navy will be at MetLife Stadium.
Speaker 1: They'll be there this Saturday, nine am until noon Eastern.
Speaker 1: I tell people, if you get any opportunity to go
Speaker 1: to an Army game, I haven't. I haven't been to
Speaker 1: a Navy game at Navy, but I've been to West
Speaker 1: Point quite a few times, and I've been to the
Speaker 1: Army Navy game as well. There's just something magical about it.
Speaker 1: Um you know, when it is when whenever you start
Speaker 1: to feel bad about who we are or what's going
Speaker 1: on in our country, just go and you see, you know,
Speaker 1: there's so many positive things. We still got a shot here.
Speaker 1: That's true. You reminded of like, oh my gosh, this
Speaker 1: is incredible, you know, to see these guys and girls
Speaker 1: what they're doing, it's it's impressive. I brought this up
Speaker 1: earlier in the show, and I don't know if it
Speaker 1: happens anytime soon, but I wonder with name, image and likeness,
Speaker 1: like Kenny Pickett, it Pitt, what if he said to
Speaker 1: the Peach Bowl, Hey, I don't you know, you pay
Speaker 1: me fifty thousand dollars, I'll play in the game. If not,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get ready for the draft. That it's it's
Speaker 1: not a meaningful game. And maybe the fact that we're
Speaker 1: going to expand the playoffs here soon. But you know,
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey did it. What six years ago, Leonard Fournette.
Speaker 1: People freaked out, you know, Cavon Thibadeaux is going to
Speaker 1: sit out and nobody's gonna care about that. I just
Speaker 1: wonder if does it benefit Kenny Pickett to play in
Speaker 1: this Peach Bowl game. UM, it's just a pit is
Speaker 1: on how you're wired. I'm not going to try to
Speaker 1: say these guys should or should not play. I'm from
Speaker 1: a different generation. You don't like you. I tried to
Speaker 1: do the best I can. You know, I have four
Speaker 1: boys that are all twenty one and younger. I mean,
Speaker 1: I get to this generation. It's not like I have
Speaker 1: my head in the sand. But I don't have to
Speaker 1: agree with it. Katy Pickett and pitt Or in Unchartered Waters.
Speaker 1: I mean, you say the Peach Bowl like we're saying
Speaker 1: the Blue Bonnet Bowl. That's a huge game for that
Speaker 1: school and for Kenny Pickett, who's the leader of that team.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard him speak. I have no idea what
Speaker 1: his intentions are. But to me, there's something about putting
Speaker 1: on a uniform one last time with your boys and
Speaker 1: going out and competing that outweighs. This is just me
Speaker 1: that would outweigh You just played twelve games, some cases
Speaker 1: thirteen games, and now you're gonna say I'm not going
Speaker 1: to play in this last game to get ready for
Speaker 1: the draft. If that's how you feel, then been more
Speaker 1: powered to you. But I think you have to look
Speaker 1: at at a kind of a case by case basis.
Speaker 1: The fact that Mario Cristobal left Oregon, he's the head
Speaker 1: coach at Miami, Thibodeau decides that he's gonna forego. That's
Speaker 1: not really a shocker there. But I would be really
Speaker 1: surprised if Kenny Pickett doesn't play in that Bowl game
Speaker 1: for pitt with the year that they've had. What did
Speaker 1: you make of his fake slide? Um, If I'm a
Speaker 1: defensive coach, I'm gonna I'm just gonna start laying quarterbacks
Speaker 1: out and deal with the consequences, because he clearly started
Speaker 1: to go into slide mode. Give him credit for his instincts.
Speaker 1: You know, he's not really known for his feet and
Speaker 1: his athletic ability out in the open field. He's known
Speaker 1: for what he can do in the pocket throwing a
Speaker 1: ball around. But he got out there and he started
Speaker 1: out as you know, he started to go down and
Speaker 1: the safety's pulled up, and then he recognized that it
Speaker 1: was almost like you're in practice you know, in the
Speaker 1: whistle blew and it was the end of a period.
Speaker 1: But the defender. If I'm a coach and I see
Speaker 1: that film, even if it wasn't my team, I'm going
Speaker 1: to use that as a copy to show, like, until
Speaker 1: he's down, you lay him out. I mean, people, you
Speaker 1: know how it is when a quarterback's in the open field.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like every bunch of great White sharks
Speaker 1: trying to go get some chum. I mean, they're they're
Speaker 1: trying to not just bring him down, they want to
Speaker 1: they want to end his day. And so, you know,
Speaker 1: I think after seeing that, the reaction I've heard from
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that played defenses. You know, the
Speaker 1: whole reason they got us pulling up is so these
Speaker 1: guys are going to go down and now he pulls
Speaker 1: that no more. You know that that kind of attitude.
Speaker 1: Why did so many people doubt Nick Saban this past weekend,
Speaker 1: Well because we've watched him play all year and they
Speaker 1: haven't lived up to their their own standards, you know,
Speaker 1: and so I think a lot of us thought something's
Speaker 1: not quite right. Yeah, Bryce Young's a phenom, Jameson Williams
Speaker 1: a phenom. The offensive line's got has some major issues.
Speaker 1: Not one week or two weeks, but all year they've
Speaker 1: had some concerns and Bryce Young's atholetic abilities kind of
Speaker 1: pulled him out where he's had to scramble the throw.
Speaker 1: And now they're playing Georgia, the one team that's been
Speaker 1: consistent all year Defensively, I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: just knew that Nick Saban's team, they never show up
Speaker 1: to a stadium as an underdog. You knew they'd have
Speaker 1: a chip on their shoulder, But was it going to
Speaker 1: be enough to beat that Georgia team that we've watched
Speaker 1: only team all year that's been consistent. You know, sometimes
Speaker 1: you let up, you survive a game. Georgia didn't have that.
Speaker 1: They were consistent all year long. So it was really
Speaker 1: more of not doubting Nick Saban, but the respect you
Speaker 1: have for Georgia. And then we were reminded pretty quickly
Speaker 1: that's still Nick Saban in his prime, standing on that sidelines,
Speaker 1: still knows how to get his team ready to play
Speaker 1: in these big games. So, um, we were all I
Speaker 1: think we apologized on Sunday for doubting him. Cincinnati, I
Speaker 1: think you can count on you can count on one hand.
Speaker 1: How many times we've doubted him since two thousand and eight. Well,
Speaker 1: you were part of the rat poison. I was, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm usually part of the rat poison, giving him too much, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, respect and to too many compliments. Isn't that
Speaker 1: amazing that Saban rails on us if we say nice
Speaker 1: things about his team, and then he rails on you
Speaker 1: when you don't say so he's just using the media. Oh,
Speaker 1: for sure did a great job. He did. He does
Speaker 1: and I knew. I knew he was going to use that,
Speaker 1: and I knew. I think about that Alabama roster every
Speaker 1: game they play, coaches guarding against complacency, literally every game
Speaker 1: they play. You know, the outside noises Alabama's gonna win,
Speaker 1: They're gonna win, They're gonna win. And finally you saw
Speaker 1: him in the Iron Bowl. I mean they very easily
Speaker 1: and should have lost that game to Auburn, who's not
Speaker 1: having a great year. It was a rivalry game. They're
Speaker 1: down ten, nothing like eight minutes to go. If Tank
Speaker 1: Bigsby gets a first down, the game's over and they
Speaker 1: lose in the final minute of game. But he comes
Speaker 1: up a yard short, so Auburn hasta punt and Bryce
Speaker 1: Young ends up leeding him on a long you know,
Speaker 1: ninety whatever it was, five yard touchdown drive in it
Speaker 1: really a Heisman moment for him. But that's how they
Speaker 1: looked the weeks before, almost stumbling around, and so it
Speaker 1: wasn't that far fetched. But you just knew he would
Speaker 1: have that. Nobody believes, nobody believes you can play with
Speaker 1: this Georgia team, and they showed up. They have not
Speaker 1: looked like that all year, and of course they save
Speaker 1: it for the biggest stage of the year. Talking to
Speaker 1: Kirk kurb Street, College Game Day will be at Army
Speaker 1: Naming MetLife Stadium this Saturday, nine am until noon, and
Speaker 1: Herbie also part of the College Football Playoff SEMIS in
Speaker 1: the National Title Game January eleventh. Cincinnati's chances better chance
Speaker 1: against Alabama or Georgia. I think Cincinnati has a chance
Speaker 1: in this game because of the way they played defense,
Speaker 1: and I think if they played Georgia they would probably
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a better chance just because
Speaker 1: of the how explosive Bryce Young and James Fon Williams
Speaker 1: can be in the passing game. John Mitchie, he probably
Speaker 1: as you know that number eight he's out. You know
Speaker 1: he's torn his acl and he was such a great
Speaker 1: compliment to the vertical stretch of what Williams could do downfield.
Speaker 1: He was always underneath on flans and little outside routes
Speaker 1: and just finding space. So you had to be worried
Speaker 1: about about both of them because he was more yards
Speaker 1: after the catch, you take that away. Luke Fickle is
Speaker 1: a defensive oriented minded coach. He's got a veteran defense
Speaker 1: that went toe to toe with Georgia one year ago
Speaker 1: in their bowl game, and I think it gave him
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence coming into this year. I think
Speaker 1: people that are couldn't name two players on the Cincinnati
Speaker 1: roster and probably think Cincinnati's gonna get killed. I would
Speaker 1: be careful there. I don't. I don't. I just don't
Speaker 1: see that. I think Cincinnati, you know, Desmond Ritter, the
Speaker 1: quarterback has been around, played in a lot of big games.
Speaker 1: They've got a running back in Jerome Ford who actually
Speaker 1: was you know, played big time football at Alabama before
Speaker 1: he transferred over, and they're gonna show up. It's going
Speaker 1: to be the shoes on the other foot going back
Speaker 1: to Alabama always being complimented, Oh you're gonna win by twenty,
Speaker 1: no problem, and Cincinnati's gonna show up with an attitude,
Speaker 1: Cincinnati's gonna show up feeling disrespected, and will it again
Speaker 1: be enough. We'll have to see. But I see that
Speaker 1: game being competitive more so than getting ugly. Is there
Speaker 1: a tactful way for these coaches to leave for one
Speaker 1: another job? Like could Brian Kelly have done it differently
Speaker 1: that would have appeased more people? Yeah? I think the
Speaker 1: challenge I think people don't understand is the recruiting aspect
Speaker 1: of it and the timing of the recruiting. The early
Speaker 1: signing period is a week from tomorrow. These athletic directors,
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're running a quote unquote tempo offense
Speaker 1: to try to make a good hire, to get a
Speaker 1: guy to a podium, win the press conference, and then
Speaker 1: literally walk out of that press conference into a into
Speaker 1: a high school and start recruiting. And so there is
Speaker 1: urgency on excuse me, the UFC side or you know,
Speaker 1: the Notre Dame side or the LSU side, there's urgency
Speaker 1: to try to make a hire because you want to
Speaker 1: get the right guy and and try to salvage a
Speaker 1: recruiting class. What we always focus on is how does
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly leave his team like that? How does Lincoln
Speaker 1: Riley leave his team like that? So for me, because
Speaker 1: I talked with a lot of these athletic directors and
Speaker 1: coaches kind of behind the scenes, Um, you know these
Speaker 1: in the month late latter part of November and in December,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a game because they want
Speaker 1: to be respectful of a coach trying to finish his
Speaker 1: season in you know, in Luke Fickle's case, he was
Speaker 1: so locked in on what his team was trying to do.
Speaker 1: I think ultimately he could have had his choices of USC,
Speaker 1: of LSU, of Notre Dame, potentially Oklahoma, and he was
Speaker 1: so focused on what his team was doing. He was
Speaker 1: letting Jimmy Sexton know, listen, man, I don't want to
Speaker 1: go there. I don't. I don't. Well, you're gonna miss
Speaker 1: out on this job. I okay, I'm really in today's
Speaker 1: day and age, you got to really respect He wasn't
Speaker 1: just a candidate. I mean, he was the front runner
Speaker 1: for every one of those jobs and he and he
Speaker 1: just wanted to finish the race. So it cost him
Speaker 1: all these jobs because of the timing and how do
Speaker 1: you do it tactfully. I think you you finish your
Speaker 1: regular season. If you go to a conference championship, you know,
Speaker 1: you have your agent or whoever talking to the ad,
Speaker 1: say how he's coming. Let him get to the finish line.
Speaker 1: You get to the finish line. If you qualify for
Speaker 1: you know, the playoff, you go do your press conference
Speaker 1: at your new school, you start to put the staff
Speaker 1: together behind the scenes, and then you go back and
Speaker 1: try to finish the playoff like that. That's what ideally
Speaker 1: I would love to see. You imagine if Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: if there were some upsets in front of them and somehow,
Speaker 1: some way Notre Dame made the playoff. Marcus Freeman's first
Speaker 1: game as a head coach would have been in a
Speaker 1: playoff because of what happens. So it's weird. I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's a the perfect way to do it,
Speaker 1: but but I think the recruiting aspect of it and
Speaker 1: trying to like an Oklahoma's case, quit the they were hemorrhaging,
Speaker 1: you know, losing recruits. Their brand was just getting lapped
Speaker 1: by the day. They had to make a higher and
Speaker 1: do it quickly, and you know they eventually got their guy.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's a it's very messy because I
Speaker 1: think because of the timing more than anything, I wondered
Speaker 1: if Oklahoma was going to match from what I was
Speaker 1: told that Lincoln Riley wasn't going to go to LSU.
Speaker 1: LSU thought they had him. He went back to Oklahoma
Speaker 1: and said, hey, you want to match this, and they
Speaker 1: said no, and then somebody caught wind of it with USC,
Speaker 1: they swoop in and then all of a sudden they
Speaker 1: hire Lincoln Riley. Oklahoma going to regret not matching that
Speaker 1: LSU offer. Well, And I don't know if there's one
Speaker 1: hundred percent truth to that. I'm really heavily involved with
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys and the and the agents
Speaker 1: and ads, and I you know, Mike Bond had the
Speaker 1: most time event Mike Bone had the most time of
Speaker 1: anybody the ad at USC, and I think he had
Speaker 1: kind of his a list of five or six guys
Speaker 1: from from word go, which was I can't remember when
Speaker 1: Clay Hilton got let go. I mean it was way
Speaker 1: way way back, and he was he was swinging for
Speaker 1: the fences from the beginning behind behind closed doors, and
Speaker 1: I know that Lincoln was a name that that he
Speaker 1: was kind of on his dream list of guys like
Speaker 1: Dabbo and like huge names. And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: when exactly Lincoln found out is debatable and all that,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to speculate, but I think Oklahoma
Speaker 1: felt they did match. They were the Sunday after the bedlam.
Speaker 1: They were doing everything they could with Joe Castiglione and
Speaker 1: their president trying to say, hey, listen, listen, let us,
Speaker 1: let us try to do this. We'll get you this,
Speaker 1: we'll get you that. And from what I understand, it
Speaker 1: was more nothing against Oklahoma and nothing against what they
Speaker 1: weren't doing, and nothing against going eventually to the SEC.
Speaker 1: I think it was just a change. I think it
Speaker 1: was a new challenge going to LA and the coaching
Speaker 1: at USC. I think it was just it was more
Speaker 1: about what that had to offer than it was what's
Speaker 1: lacking at Oklahoma. So and then you know, they went
Speaker 1: out and found a former assistant and coordinator at Brett Bettebles,
Speaker 1: And you know, I think both sides end up in
Speaker 1: a good spot. But of course we won't really know
Speaker 1: until we're three or four years down the road from now.
Speaker 1: Not all of them, all of them always work out,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Her'd be great to talk to you.
Speaker 1: My best to the guys and have fun this weekend
Speaker 1: with Army and Navy. I thought of you when the
Speaker 1: Flyers had that big win, and anytime UD wins a
Speaker 1: big game, I think of you with with hoops because
Speaker 1: I go back as a kid to Rosie Chapman and
Speaker 1: and some of those teams that they had. You know,
Speaker 1: I was like in middle school and those those U
Speaker 1: D teams and I just fell in love at a
Speaker 1: young age Don donnaher and then the gel Night in
Speaker 1: that group. I mean, UD has always been always been
Speaker 1: a fun brand to watch and an easy team to
Speaker 1: pull for. So that was a great win. Hopefully they
Speaker 1: have a big, a big year this year. Thank you,
Speaker 1: herd be good to talk to you. Safe travels, Okay
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