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Speaker 1: Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling Railvalry, No, no, sibling,

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Speaker 1: don't do that with your mouth, Vely. That's good. So

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Speaker 1: you're about to listen to Willie and Libby geist. This

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Speaker 1: was actually a really a really fun conversation. I actually

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Speaker 1: a full disclosure. I was. I actually wasn't there as well.

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Speaker 1: I was. I was doing it over remotely because I

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Speaker 1: had the flu. Obviously there was a trip that we

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Speaker 1: took and I wasn't there, but I was there on

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Speaker 1: video chat, and I participated in everything that happened, and

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Speaker 1: they're just a really bound to earth fun Brother and

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Speaker 1: Sister was actually the first brother and sister that we've aired.

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Speaker 1: We've done brother, brother and sister sister. This is the

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Speaker 1: first brother sister we've aired, and it's such a different

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Speaker 1: dynamic when you're dealing with the brother sister relationship. You know,

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Speaker 1: Willy tortured Libby like any good brother. Should. We have

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Speaker 1: something in common. Willie and I we both made fake

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Speaker 1: id's growing up. I probably made more money than he

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Speaker 1: did making these fake id's. I was very entrepreneurial. I

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Speaker 1: worked in the gray area of the law, but still

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Speaker 1: made some good dough at the age of fifteen years old.

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Speaker 1: And then they also had a huge plastic cow in

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Speaker 1: their yard growing up, and we had the exact same

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Speaker 1: fucking cow. There were a lot of similarities. Actually, it

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Speaker 1: was really it was fun. And Libby, she's done some

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Speaker 1: cool stuff. Some of my favorite documentaries actually, Oh, Jake

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Speaker 1: made in America One Oscar in twenty seventeen. She's got these.

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Speaker 1: This Michael Jordan documentary coming out. I'm not sure if

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Speaker 1: which I cannot wait to see. I think I think

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Speaker 1: it's a six parter on Jordan. Anyway, we loved having

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Speaker 1: him on the show. Enjoy the conversation. How long have

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Speaker 1: you lived in New York? So we moved in nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty to New Jersey when I was five years old

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Speaker 1: and Libby was one. Were you even one? Maybe nine

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Speaker 1: months less than one? Yeah. My dad got a job

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Speaker 1: Chicago Tribune. I was born in Chicago. We both were,

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Speaker 1: and when I was five, we moved to New Jersey

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Speaker 1: So forty years. Not in the city, but I've lived

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Speaker 1: in the city for fifteen years. But around is your

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Speaker 1: He's from downstate as they call it. He's from Champagne, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: And he went to the University of Illinois, which was

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Speaker 1: it cost one hundred and thirty five dollars a semester.

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Speaker 1: So his parents were like, you're going there. This was

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Speaker 1: in the late sixties. And he met my mom there

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Speaker 1: at the University of Illinois. Are they still together? Yeah

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Speaker 1: they are? Yeah, yeah, crazy. I know. It was always

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Speaker 1: a harmonious household, constantly growing up in Toronto, harmony for

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Speaker 1: fifty years. Yes, I think on the yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: actually like it was a people. I think you always

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Speaker 1: look back on your life and you're like, were there

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Speaker 1: moments of like strife and was it you know, what

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Speaker 1: was the adversity that we had to overcome? There was

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Speaker 1: little stuff, but yeah, it was a happy place. My

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Speaker 1: mom was a social worker and then she was a

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Speaker 1: so my dad. No, this is very real, and I'm

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Speaker 1: Don Hewitt, who founded sixty Minutes was read my dad's

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Speaker 1: limos in to see elaborate Broadway productions. Yeah, four and

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Speaker 1: But there was another step in there. So in they

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Speaker 1: because people make that connection, obviously because my dad was

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Speaker 1: bad place to be. Yeah, we can't even agree on

427
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Speaker 1: something that's true, or we can't give someone credit for

428
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 1: something that's true. I have this thing right now where

429
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Speaker 1: like if I was all of their mothers, what would

431
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Speaker 1: I be saying to them right now? And that is

432
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Speaker 1: stop it. Yes, it's just a it's a terrible example

433
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Speaker 1: for the young uns. Yeah, I actually think about that

434
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Speaker 1: a lot. You probably do too, Livy, which is my

435
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Speaker 1: kids are twelve and ten, so they've sort of come

436
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Speaker 1: of age. They were too young previously. I mean, of

437
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Speaker 1: course they knew who President Obama was, but they're like,

438
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Speaker 1: this is when they're starting to pay attention to all

439
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: this and the idea that they think this is how

440
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 1: it is, or this is how it's supposed to be,

441
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: or that insults or ugliness or the way to get ahead,

442
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: or if if that person says something ugly, Well, that

443
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Speaker 1: justifies my doing that, which is another element of this

444
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445
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446
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Speaker 1: that's not the way to be. To your point, stop

447
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 1: it politics right now and the world is definitely in

448
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Speaker 1: the forefront right this is what we're all thinking about

449
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: and dealing with, to the point where my kids now,

450
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Speaker 1: when I was ten and nine and twelve years old,

451
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Speaker 1: I didn't care about politics or what it meant, or

452
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Speaker 1: what the system was or how it operated. My kids

453
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,959
Speaker 1: now are interested in it just because it is in

454
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: the front of everyone's minds. You know, they're questioning what

455
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,959
Speaker 1: the debates are, who the Democrats are, who the Republicans are,

456
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Speaker 1: how the system works. You know. Last night, body, my

457
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 1: nine year old is watching the debates just randomly, and

458
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Speaker 1: he goes, I think, I like Elizabeth Warren. I mean,

459
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Speaker 1: I just like what she's saying, and I like she's calm,

460
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Speaker 1: She's calm, you know, And then he goes, oh, god,

461
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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders really went after her. I mean he's he's

462
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Speaker 1: engaged in the process, and now it's up to me

463
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Speaker 1: to sort of try to explain how that's so interesting. Yeah.

464
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Speaker 1: I mean my kids were watching it last night too.

465
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466
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Speaker 1: on our bed and the debate was on. Yeah, twelve

467
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468
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Speaker 1: I want I want to know about like growing up.

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Speaker 1: So did you guys fight We weren't big fighters. One

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Speaker 1: thing that Libby hangs holds over my head was you

506
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Speaker 1: guys are probably like this too, because I think it's generational.

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Speaker 1: But when we were young, we watched totally age inappropriate movies,

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Speaker 1: which I wonder where my parents were. Now that I'm

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Speaker 1: to Kim All about that. Yeah, her children. Yeah, terrible,

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Speaker 1: but we so we. I was into and and by

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Speaker 1: the way, we were in our old house, so I

515
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Speaker 1: couldn't have been more than ten years old. And I

516
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Speaker 1: was into the Friday the thirteenth movies. Oh ya, oh

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Speaker 1: that was my gym, and I made so live five

518
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Speaker 1: or five and a half a half, little baby, come

519
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Speaker 1: watch these. I'm five years old. This is worse than

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Speaker 1: I remember. You should go, as I say it out loud,

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Speaker 1: yeah that should be in prison. This so I would.

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Speaker 1: I would force her to watch it. So she was five,

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Speaker 1: obviously traumatized. There's a man in a hockey mask in

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Speaker 1: the woods behind her house. Probably right, of course five,

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Speaker 1: But wait to get why am I saying this. I

526
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: had a little it gets worse, though, it gets worse.

527
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Speaker 1: So I had a tiny, a tiny, cute, little pink

528
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Speaker 1: bedroom where this little cute five year old would sleep.

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Speaker 1: And there was a little like a ledge a roof

530
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Speaker 1: kind of right under my window. And so for some

531
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Speaker 1: reason he forced me to watch Friday the thirteenth. And

532
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: then I lay in my bed and I get a

533
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Speaker 1: little tap on my window and you guys, remember the

534
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Speaker 1: sound it's coming. Oh yeah, yeah, so Jason's coming and

535
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: you're at my window and I don't know, it sounds

536
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: like oll of her. Yeah. It just wasn't nice. But

537
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Speaker 1: think of the effort that didn't happen by accident. I

538
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Speaker 1: had to climb onto the roof of our house get

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Speaker 1: up to her window, so nice knock and wake her up,

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00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: and yeah, I think she still carries with her somewhere.

541
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Speaker 1: I actually do hate scary movies and trailers, including trailers.

542
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: I got scared trailers. I was like you though, I

543
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: watched Friday the thirteenth, Night the Street, Yeah, and watch

544
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,239
Speaker 1: them too, And then I would be like I had

545
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Speaker 1: to sleep in Allie's room because I was like god,

546
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: it was terrible, and and our nanny though, like loved

547
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: horror movies, so when our parents are out of town.

548
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: She'd be like, just don't tell that your parents. It's good.

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00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. She didn't mention that in the

550
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Speaker 1: job I was gonna do it with parents. No, she

551
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: should point out I love horror movies. My forced children

552
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: to watch. But then I let my kids watch. My

553
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: six year old girl at the time was five. She's

554
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: tougher than my older boys. I mean, she watched The

555
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: Conjuring Bob a Duke. She loves all of these. That's

556
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: amazing scary movies. Maybe I'm just is it? Is it cool?

557
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't and I will see how she

558
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: turns out. I guess, you know, I think she's gonna

559
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: be okay, but we'll see. It's a wait and see.

560
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's a little heavy. I remember my

561
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: dad took me to see Beverly Hills Cop, which was

562
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Speaker 1: A four. So I was nine, and that's a movie.

563
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: It's righted r. That's a movie about cocaine trafficking. And

564
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: there's club and Eddie Murphy says fuck every other word.

565
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: And I was nine. I was like, take them to

566
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Speaker 1: the scary, fucking movies. This is the probably. Look you

567
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: guys turned out. You guys turned out great. Look at

568
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: how well rounded you are. You are you know, I

569
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: would like to talk it because he was torturing you

570
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: at five, So that's the word. I'm with you. But

571
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: you asked if we fought, but it was it wasn't.

572
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: We didn't physically fight because he's a huge man, he's

573
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: a big dude. But I it was more of a

574
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Speaker 1: mental horrible That's how Oliver was with me. We'll take

575
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Speaker 1: that out and post here. And here's the thing though,

576
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: I think it's because we're just their sisters, their younger sisters.

577
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Speaker 1: Like boys. I watch on my boys do that to

578
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 1: each other all the time. They handle it totally differently.

579
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: I think they probably thought like, oh, but this is

580
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Speaker 1: what I would want my older brother to be doing

581
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: to me. This is what we do. And then and

582
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: then we're like my boys just end up punching each

583
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 1: other in the face and they end it right and

584
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: we're trying and walk away till the podcast comes up.

585
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: We're backing it. We're like, you tortured that was me.

586
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: It was so mean. I should have just punched you

587
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Speaker 1: in the face. I guess Yes, that's what my dad

588
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: said to me one time about Oliver. He goes, you know,

589
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: you should just punch him in the face. And I

590
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: was like, huh, terrible advice. It's true. Yeah, it's still coming.

591
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: It'll kind of come one day. I'm waiting. You're still

592
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: waiting for that. I just punched you in the face

593
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: out of nowhere. That would be fucking hysterical. It would

594
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: be cathartic. Yeah, let it out, like all of her

595
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: just talking and we just like quick shot, did you guys?

596
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: Did you guys get along all the time or was

597
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: the age discrepancy so much that it was like you

598
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: kind of did your own things. Yes, I think we

599
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: were doing our own thing. I know. I think again

600
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: I was the younger, sort of annoying sister. But I

601
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: also wore your jerseys to your games like he you know,

602
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: he played basketball football like I. Also, I think was

603
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: nerdy and cheering. Yeah jersey game. No, but I do.

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Speaker 1: I remember your last football game in high school and

605
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: I remember being in the stands with mom and I

606
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: was like tearing up and crying because I knew how

607
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: much you loved it and I knew you weren't going

608
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Speaker 1: to do it again, So I think like we had

609
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: a connection. It was just again being so much younger,

610
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't in the mix so much, but I was

611
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: cheering for you. Did you look up to him as

612
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: a human? Yeah? Sorry, yeah, she would never say that

613
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: without your prompting. Yeah. Never, No, No, of course I did.

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00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he was a good guy. I loved

615
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: his friends. I had crushes on all your friends. I

616
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: don't know if you knew that, but I think it

617
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: was fun cheering them on and cheering your teams on.

618
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: I mean that's sort of like how the sports were

619
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: such a big part of it, I guess, but yeah, no,

620
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: I think it was good to have you. Ever did

621
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: you ever hook up with any of his friends ever?

622
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: Thank you for asking. I did not imagine if I

623
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: just learned that in this podcast, Oliver, I have to

624
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: stop down. Yeah, now, my friends the spread was big enough.

625
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: My friends were like big brothers. Stare. Yeah. Yeah, I

626
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: didn't learn anything new today. Well, Oliver, it was always

627
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: hooking up with my girlfriends, like all of them. I

628
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: think you hooked up with all of them. That's kind

629
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: of gross, but okay, so now you go away. What

630
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: did that feel like for you? When he left for college.

631
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: It was a big change, yeah, because obviously it had

632
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: never lived without you. And so when he went off

633
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: to school. I remember we would write letters. So yeah,

634
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: and the worst story, no is I had a party.

635
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: Our parents went away and I had a big party.

636
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: And it was a bad one because it was early

637
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: high school, so we were you know, you pull out parents,

638
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: old like strange old gin drinks. Yeah, and it was

639
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: an ugly night, like some vomiting and just like a

640
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: early early drinking sure, And I put the entire episode

641
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: and my friends were all sleeping over the house. It

642
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: was just a strange, crazy thing. And I wrote the

643
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: entire detail of what we did and was like, hey, Willie,

644
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: hope you're great. I drank nine shots at tequila the

645
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: first time drinking, and this is like all the horrible

646
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: things that happened. And I left it on our kitchen

647
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: counter for my mom to mail to him, and obviously

648
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: she read it. I think she was like reading all

649
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: of our journals and stuff. And that was the first

650
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: time I really got in trouble. But I do remember

651
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: we had and I think we have them. There was

652
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: like some letters back and forth where you were like,

653
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, keep working hard. You got this, you know.

654
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: And then and then as I got older, we visited.

655
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: We had a couple of really fun visits, and he

656
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: had his high school sweetheart was at school with him,

657
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: so we had known Christina. Yeah, so he married a

658
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: high school sweetheart. Yeah. Yeah, So we actually we met

659
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: in sixth grade in middle school in Jersey. We were friends.

660
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: Then we started dating junior in high school. The short

661
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: version of the story is she wanted to go to Uva.

662
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: We both got into Vanderbilt, which was much easier to

663
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: get into back then. I need to stipulate that she

664
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: wanted to go to UVA, didn't get in at the

665
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: last minute, and she called me. She said, hey, we're

666
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: going to college together. So we went to college together.

667
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: We broke up at the beginning, but it was small

668
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: enough school that it was hard to maintain that. So

669
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: we actually stayed together through college, and then after college

670
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: we broke up in our twenties and then found each

671
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: other again later in our twenties. Yeah, we got two kids,

672
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: and that's me visiting Willie. Also meant I was visiting

673
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 1: Christina because I had also known her and her family,

674
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 1: you know, for all those years too, So that was cool.

675
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: I mean, that was fun. That's so great. Yeah, so

676
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: I would stay with her, go to your crazy, you know,

677
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: frat parties, and see what college life was like, and

678
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: come back. It was like going to all these frat

679
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: parties made me not want to go to college. Oh

680
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: my god, did you did you go to Did you

681
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: go to college and visit him and go to parties

682
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: and stuff? I did? I did. Yeah, that was an

683
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: interesting didn't you come to the medieval party? No, it

684
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 1: was your the basketball Oh yeah, you were naked dunk

685
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: and he dunked naked, which was fun to see. Yeah,

686
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: and Christina was like, can you please talk about that

687
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: on Morning Joe? That stays here, guys, sorry, that stays here.

688
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 1: Cut that story. Yeah, I'd like to say, for the record,

689
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 1: I had a jock strap on so you could see.

690
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: Sorry covered. Okay, that's better. Thanks again everyone. Okay, so

691
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: now your turn to go to college. As Willie said,

692
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: my parents went to the University of Illinois, and our

693
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: whole family was from Chicago, really in the Midwest, So

694
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: I always liked the idea of a big school, but

695
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 1: I couldn't go to Illinois because that's where my parents

696
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: wanted me to go to. Of course, so I looked

697
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: at a lot of schools all around the country. But

698
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,479
Speaker 1: then I went to Madison with my dad. He took

699
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: me to the University Wisconsin to visit, and we just

700
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: sort of looked at each other and I was like, oh, wow, Like,

701
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: it's just such a special town. It's the best city.

702
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: It's the capital and they so they have, you know,

703
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: big musical acts, and there was a ton of politics happening,

704
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: and the sports were great, and you know, it's beautiful lakes,

705
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: lots of custard and cut Yeah. So I immediately fell

706
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: in love with Madison, and anyone I talked to was like, oh, yeah,

707
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: like that's the you know. So it was. It was.

708
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: I applied to a ton of schools, but I kind

709
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: of knew I wanted to go there. But it's hard.

710
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: It's a huge school far away from home. It's also freezing,

711
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: and it's freezing. We didn't mind. You're in school at

712
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: this point. You were like you hit the ground running.

713
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: You're like, I know what I'm going to do. I

714
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: want to work. Yeah. So I graduated college in ninety seven.

715
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: I came home. So I came home from Nashville came

716
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: back home to New Jersey and I was just going

717
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: to spend the summer at home and then go find

718
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: a job. And I was driving. Not to brag, but

719
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: I was driving the liquor delivery truck for Wine and

720
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: Spirit World and Hocus New Jersey. Good job, And so

721
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: I did that the summer that summer, and I was

722
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: having so much fun that it like bled all the

723
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: way into Thanksgiving and Christmas. And my parents were like, hey,

724
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a job or what. I was like,

725
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: I don't know, this is going pretty well. But I

726
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: ended up all my bunch of my buddies had moved

727
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: to Atlanta, and so I just decided I'm going to

728
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: move to Atlanta and figure it out. And so I

729
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: moved there. I applied to CNN and to the Atlanta

730
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: Journal Constitution, the newspaper down there. The AJAC didn't have

731
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: a job. CNN did have a job, and that's literally

732
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: why I got into TV. I just took the job. Okay,

733
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: so I was job. It was I was an editor.

734
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: Actually had their sports networks, CNN Sports Illustrated, which I remember.

735
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: So it was perfect. Yeah, it was short lived, but

736
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: it was fun and it was like you know, it

737
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: was a bunch of young guys, mostly guys my age,

738
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: like covering sports and watching games and editing highlights and

739
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: like it was just fun. You know. It was like

740
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: a continuation of college, but you're getting paid, not much,

741
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: but you're getting paid. And so that was my first

742
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: job in it. Really it's it's interesting, you know that

743
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: because it's underrated. Like the bars are open really late,

744
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: some of them for twenty four hours. Like it's a

745
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: good party town. It's good, and all the schools from

746
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: the south, like that's where you go. I remember you.

747
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: It was like the open newsroom set up, and so

748
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: you'd be like, I'm on the computer behind the you know,

749
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: the guy who's sitting at the desk on the left

750
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: side of the shoulders. So my parents and I would

751
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: like tune in, and it's like that was your first

752
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: I guess I get out of the newsroom. I would

753
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: walk behind. Oh my god, you went to the printer,

754
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: like we just saw you grab something off the printer

755
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: and like look at my mom and keep waking. That

756
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: was my first TV. Now, when you were in college,

757
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: what was your focus? So I was a political science major,

758
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: which meant I didn't know what I wanted to do.

759
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: But but no, I loved school. I had probably more

760
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: fun than I should have, I would say, but it

761
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: was great. And then I interned at Conan Late Night

762
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: with Conan O'Brien. That was a good first step. I

763
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: actually when I was working at that driving the liquor truck,

764
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 1: I thought maybe I wanted to be like a writer

765
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: for Conan too, And I put together that summer. I

766
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: worked like all summer. I put together a writing packet

767
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: and I got the address and everything. I didn't know

768
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: how anything worked, so I just got it and I

769
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: put it in this big Manila folder and I remember

770
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: the mailbox outside Wine in Spirit World. I paused and

771
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: I was like, when I'm like a late night host, someday,

772
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: I'll remember this moment in this mailbox because this is

773
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: how it all began. And I put it, I sent

774
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: it away. I was very dramatic, this is my ticket out, baby.

775
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: And then it was like it took weeks and weeks

776
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: and weeks and weeks, and then I got a letter

777
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is it went to the

778
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: mailbox and I was like, I'm gonna wait till I

779
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: get home to open it and see when I start

780
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: and all that, and I open it up and it

781
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 1: literally which I understand now, it was like, not only

782
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: do we not have a position for you, we didn't

783
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: read a single word of what you wrote because they

784
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: have to protect themselves from like liability that of course,

785
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: if they did something similar, I could say they stole

786
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: it from me, so they like no one even looked

787
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: at it. Everyone hates you. You never show your letter.

788
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: Was literally like you don't what did you write? It

789
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: was all I think I wrote, like monologue jokes, and

790
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: he was doing all those those crazy like character you know,

791
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: the masturbating bearer. Do you remember even monologue jokes. I'm

792
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: sure they were like bad topical Let's see that was

793
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, some bad Clinton jokes or something. I'm

794
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: so glad I don't know where it is because I've

795
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: been awful, awful. There's still time, Willy, there's still time.

796
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: So after Matt, explain what you do what I do now? Yes,

797
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 1: So I have worked at ESPN for eleven you wins oscars, Kate,

798
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: I know you. Yes, So the film the documentaries are

799
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: different than your world. So the documentary one and our

800
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: director and main producer one, we did not technically win

801
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: the film one. She did a movie that won an Oscar.

802
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: Why don't you just say you won an Oscar because

803
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: I don't have. Everyone's like, where'd you put it? I

804
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: was like, well, I didn't really win. We didn't go

805
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: on stage. It's like not going on stage didn't mean

806
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: you weren't a part of an Oscar winning project. The

807
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: film one. We're very excited. Okay, this is like corporate

808
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: speak that they made. But also so my parents and

809
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: Willie and Christina got dressed up in black tie and

810
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: watched the Oscars from New York City on the Upper

811
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: West Side. Your video of them. It was so cute.

812
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: It was really nice. It was so exciting that was

813
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: made in America. Was the series they want? Right? So

814
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: I work at ESPN. So I started there eleven years

815
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: ago when they were just kind of coming up with

816
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: thirty for thirty, which is our sports documentary series, and

817
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: so I started. I've done a lot of different jobs there,

818
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: Like I was in production a producer. Then I was

819
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: just doing development, like finding the stories and the filmmakers

820
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: and matching them together. And now I oversee the department

821
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: ESPN Films and a bunch of our content on ESPN Plus,

822
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: which is the new streaming service that we have, so

823
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: so fun. Yeah, it's really fun. What a cool job.

824
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: I know, you not only get to work in storytelling, right,

825
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: but these are real people, truly aspirational stories. Yeah. My

826
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: favorite thirty for thirties are not actually sports films, you know,

827
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: like OJ you could have shown very little football, but

828
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: you know, it's the story of a man in a

829
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: city and you know, culture, and so that's what we

830
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: look for in everything. We do have some that they

831
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: just finished, one on Lance Armstrong and one on Bruce Yeah. Yeah,

832
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: so those both were at Sundance, which is really fun.

833
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: And I also think just in this moment of unscripted

834
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: and all of the documentary stuff that's happening and the

835
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: series coming out like this is such a huge booming

836
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: time and so for us to say we have here,

837
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: I am, I have money, I want to work with

838
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: young hungry filmmakers and millions of people are going to

839
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: see these like, it feels like a really lucky place

840
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: to be. So when we go around, I mean we

841
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: laughed after the first couple of years of thirty for thirty,

842
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: we were laughing. We're like, I can't believe who's taking

843
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: my phone calls right now, Like, this is so bizarre.

844
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: You know, I love thirty for but it's really lucky.

845
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: It's really for a woman to be running at that

846
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: department at ESPN. Yeah so awesome. Yeah, thanks. Well, people

847
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: say all the time, they're like, it must be really

848
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: hard to be at ESPN. I'm like, not really, I've

849
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: honestly had really great mentors. They've been so good to me.

850
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: I've and I know that's not for everybody's store, but

851
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: I feel really lucky. And finny. Thing about Livia, she's

852
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: not really a sports fan, so I always laugh that

853
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: she's at ESPN. She's a filmmaker who happened she made

854
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: She was working somewhere else and they made a film

855
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: for ESPN, and ESPN said, hey, you were really good

856
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: at that. Do you want to come work here? So

857
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: if you ask her, like, who's in first place in

858
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference right now, she definitely does not know.

859
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: I know it's not, but yet she's running this huge

860
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: department for ESPN. Years ago, for the fortieth anniversary of

861
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,479
Speaker 1: Title nine, we did a series called nine for nine

862
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: with nine directors and nine stories, and we were really

863
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: really careful that those weren't all like rah uh, like

864
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: the first to do this and the first to do that.

865
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: I was like, no, we have now, we have real history.

866
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: There are real stories, good and bad. And so we

867
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: tried to find really edgy stories that people would love

868
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: and talk about, because I think it's really hard to

869
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: find stories that are marketable and that people are interested

870
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: in seeing. And that's so sad to say, but if

871
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: it's not Serena or a huge topic male or female,

872
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: it's hard to get people excited. So that's a struggle

873
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: sometimes honestly, but we're constantly working harder to find really

874
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: strong women's stories but also female directors. I always say

875
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: women almost never pitched to me, which I think is

876
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: so interesting, and so that's a huge concerted effort. Like,

877
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, anytime I go to festivals, I'm like, I,

878
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: you know, you may not think to call me, but

879
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: here's my card, Like if there's ever something you're interested in.

880
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: But there's so many amazing female stories, so many we

881
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: also do. We launched podcasts like almost documentary style audio

882
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: podcasts a couple of years ago, and my favorite one

883
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: that we did actually is about Diana Tarassi and Sue

884
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: Bird playing in Russia because women have to play to

885
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: make money, they have to continue playing. They play all year,

886
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: so they all go abroad and they went and played

887
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: for this guy Shabtai, who was actually a Russian mobster

888
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: who owned a team in Russia. Cool, but they're the

889
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: way they talk about their life there. Cool. They lived

890
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: in a mansion and he would bring them like fresh

891
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: strawberries and yeah, massages. It was like the total opposite

892
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: of how their life is here in the WNBA. But

893
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: they made a ton of money and their life in

894
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: Russia was so weird, and Diana is hilarious, by the way,

895
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: and they just talk about this and then you know,

896
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: the dark side of that is Shabtai, like how he

897
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: was funding all of that and what his mobster business was.

898
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: Wait is this did you already tell the stories? It

899
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: was a podcast. Yeah, both of you guys are so

900
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: accomplished and doing really interesting but wonderful thing. You know,

901
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: it's been really fun since she says she didn't an oscar,

902
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: since their film won an Oscar, and all these thirty

903
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: for thirties get attention. Everyone is seeing like how great

904
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: and how smart and she is because when you're on TV,

905
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: people think, Okay, you're the You're the one in the

906
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: family who does those things. But Livy's doing these incredible

907
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: things and doing this great work, and she's these deep

908
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: dives and really interesting stories. You get jealous of her

909
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: work sometimes the time she has to tell those stories, honestly,

910
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: because ours is like turn it around, get it on

911
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: the show Sunday. That's she's taking months. She's making movies,

912
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: she's making films. You know, she's making documentaries, which is

913
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: my husband is in TV as well, and here he's

914
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: a producer, and he was like, how long does it

915
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: take you to do your cute little two hour projects?

916
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: Like I produced two hours of TV every single day.

917
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: But I'm an artist and you know, like you know

918
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: all of our graphics and our archival and you know,

919
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: have you ever felt competitive with each other in any

920
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: I honestly haven't. I haven't either. I mean, maybe we

921
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: should answer. I'm always happy for her success. I'm always

922
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: proud of her. I never thought, I mean, you're creatively jealous, like,

923
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: oh boy, that was good, that land singer, that Bruce Lee,

924
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: that was good. Yeah, you know, but I'm happy for

925
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: There's no we're just not in the same lane and

926
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: never have been even in our house because of the age.

927
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: Well what about just even going back a little bit,

928
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: like when did you guys get close? You know, obviously

929
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: you had separation through high school and then college, you

930
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: were there was an age gap, But was there a

931
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: time when it was like, oh, you are my home girl,

932
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: you are my homeboy. We are now like becoming best friends.

933
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: I honestly sort of felt that way, I'd say after

934
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: high school, like right when I was in college and

935
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: when you to me, we're like a real person I

936
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: could sit and talk to and hang out with, and yeah,

937
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: we could share things a little more, but we I

938
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: mean we had stuff in our house, like our dad

939
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: has Parkinson's disease and he's had it for thirty years

940
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: and he yeah, I mean a lot of it. It

941
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: started in like ninety two or something like that. So

942
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: I was leaving go to college and we didn't know

943
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: that it was. Our parents were very strange about it,

944
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: Like they didn't admit that he had Parkinson's for long?

945
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: What's going on with dad? They're like they didn't want

946
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: to scare you probably find that that's what it was.

947
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: They thought they were just to say the words and

948
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, okay, Like but that sort of like

949
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: I think everybody can relate in some way that thing

950
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: that's at the center of your family. It like pulls

951
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: you together, and it still does. Like you know, we

952
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: talk and we catch up about work in our families,

953
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: but there's always some nugget of like, Okay, what's how

954
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: are they doing as dad? What needs to happen? Are

955
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: you going to see him? Like all that stuff was.

956
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: Did you guys have ever ever have any sort of

957
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: resentments of your mom not telling you? You know, it

958
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: was ten years right, Yes, yes, yes, yes we did.

959
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 1: It was very frustrating, but but I don't think they

960
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: set it out loud for at least ten years, maybe more. Yeah,

961
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: because he was young, he was in his forties, and

962
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: it progressed very slowly. So we didn't have tremors. It

963
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: wasn't like it was what it was shit, you know,

964
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: he didn't have tremors. It wasn't shaking all those things.

965
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: But he was slowing down and he was taking naps

966
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: and all those things, and we're like, I don't know

967
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: how this works, but you're only fifty two. You shouldn't

968
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: be like slowing down this quickly and so finally we

969
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: probably should have just known sooner. But finally we just

970
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: said what's going on. I was like, oh, dad has

971
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: Parkinstons dicy. We're like what wow, And I think but

972
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: I think you're right though. She was like, yes, you're

973
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: going to college, you've got your starting your life and

974
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: your career. I don't want you thinking about this. How

975
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: old were you guys when when they told you that

976
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: your dad had Parkinton. I was in my twenties, so

977
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: you must have been in the early twenties. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

978
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: it was late enough. But I think I just remember, like,

979
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: well I wish. I mean, the only reason I was

980
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: mad is I would make fun of him, like I

981
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: would tease him like like you are the worst driver

982
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: in the world, you know, like I would like throw

983
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: it at him that I know years old, like taking nap,

984
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: noticed your deal, And then I remember her. I was like,

985
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: I you know, I remember her telling us, and I

986
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: was just like, well, we could have helped, Like I'm

987
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: not I have a decade of energy right exactly, which

988
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: we do anyway, by the way, like we still throw

989
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: it at him, you know, He's like, oh, I'm going

990
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: to drop the pea card because I wouldn't want to

991
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: go to this dinner or something, you know, like we

992
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: still are funny, but it just obviously changed the dynamics

993
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: of us helping. And but that came from him too.

994
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: His whole thing was like, we didn't want you guys

995
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: to worry about that. Yeah, so I don't you know.

996
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: And he's also again going back to the Midwestern thing.

997
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: He's sort of humble, and it wasn't He always says like,

998
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: if you were grew up in Champagne, Illinois in the

999
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: nineteen forties and fifties, you weren't allowed to like emote

1000
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: like you and your dad didn't talk about how you're

1001
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: feeling or anything. So I think he carried that with him.

1002
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: He didn't want to express that he was in some

1003
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: pain or that life was hard, and so he never did.

1004
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: And we had to really push him to that place

1005
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: because he was on television. We said, Dad, if you

1006
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 1: came out and said this, you could help other people

1007
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: talk about what you're going through, bring some attention to it.

1008
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 1: Look at what Michael J. Fox has done, et cetera.

1009
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: And so he finally did, I think twenty twelve, he

1010
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: went on CBS Sunday morning. And by the way, the

1011
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: audience knew for ten years because he did have movement

1012
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: at that point, so it wasn't a shock to them.

1013
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: They were relieved that he said it out loud and

1014
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: we could now talk about it. So, how old are

1015
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: your parents? Seventy he'll be seventy five this year and

1016
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: my mom's seventy three. Has he has? He softened as

1017
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: he's gotten older, as far as is sort of that

1018
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: stoic man, I mean, is he is? He is? Some? Yeah?

1019
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: I think grandkids have definitely done that. Libby has these sweet,

1020
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: awesome two little boys, and my daughter's twelve, my son's ten,

1021
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: and that definitely has five and seven. Okay, are they close? Yes? Yeah,

1022
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: they close. They're so cute. His kids are superheroes in

1023
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: our house. They're just old enough that you know, when

1024
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: they're together they suddenly are like Will and yeah, they're

1025
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: so cute. It's so great. I mean, I have to

1026
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: say that makes me so happy because cousins like our

1027
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: kids are, they're like almost like brothers and sisters. Exactly

1028
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: where are you guys at with reprimanding each other's kids, Like,

1029
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 1: are you allowed to tell each other's kids off? And

1030
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: we get a lot more reprimanding than yours do. At

1031
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: the moment, No do we do though, Like if they're

1032
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: at our house, we have hardcore no whining policies, and

1033
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: we're I think we view it as like you know,

1034
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 1: you tune out your own parents sometimes and they'll Libby's

1035
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: kids will actually listen to us because we're the and

1036
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: uncle happens a lot, and so we like Libby uses

1037
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: us I think as third party discipline, like I'm gonna

1038
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: send him to your house. Her son, her older son

1039
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: Russell comes to our house for a week in the

1040
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: summer and goes to summer camp and we call it

1041
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: dude Camp with him and my son George, and like

1042
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: they're hard rules, so it's a little bit of like

1043
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: breaking the pony, like bringing them in. I feel that

1044
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: way with Oliver's kids when they get into my house.

1045
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: It's a very I'm like, if like one of them

1046
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: was like one of them's acting out, I'm always like,

1047
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: just send them to my house for two weeks. That's it.

1048
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: Oh well, sometimes sometimes they come back home and like

1049
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: anty Kates like so strict. She always like yelled at

1050
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 1: me because I did this. I'm like, wow, Yeah, you probably,

1051
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 1: and then you pay back by having the kids over

1052
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: for horror films at your house. That's right, exactly. And

1053
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: by the way, that's so true. Do you do you

1054
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: ever give each other advice? He'd yeah, definitely. I mean

1055
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: I think where a lot of work stuff. I feel

1056
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 1: like there's a few people you really trust to give

1057
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: you the straight talk, you know, whether it's my own

1058
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: career or choices, or if there's something going on. He's

1059
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: always one of my first calls, just because he's in

1060
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: the business, which I feel lucky that he gets what

1061
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm talking about in the language that you're speaking, and

1062
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: he gets me so well. I mean, there's nobody else

1063
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: my husband obviously, but I think the two of them

1064
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: are who I go to or I'm like, all right,

1065
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: this is the deal, and I can be honest with

1066
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,959
Speaker 1: you about every part of that. There's no holding back.

1067
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, how about one word to describe each other?

1068
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: Oh shit, she's cool. And I say that in the

1069
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: sense of I always used to say she was like

1070
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: among my friends, she was like Cameron Diaz and something

1071
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: about Mary. She was like that cool, smart, like all

1072
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: your guy my friends, and her guy friends actually wanted

1073
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: to date her, she's just like, she's cool me, and

1074
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: she's self deprecating and she's humble. I think that's all

1075
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: part of being cool, like to be really good at

1076
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: what you do and be humble about it. To me,

1077
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 1: that's cool. It's fun to be a cool girl because

1078
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: you could be a pretty girl, you could be kid,

1079
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: and you could be fun to be like, Oh, she's cool. Yeah,

1080
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: I think you are cool. Yeah, I feel like you

1081
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: are cool. Exactly what I would say if we left

1082
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: and they're like, how is Libaby? Like she's cool? Yeah?

1083
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: I love it. Thanks guys. Okay, what what word would

1084
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: you use to I think it's funny because it's I

1085
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: think people think you are a quick story. My husband,

1086
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: my son always says, he's like, I don't understand Will.

1087
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: He's so serious when he's on TV, but he's so

1088
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: crazy and weird in real life, Like he just thinks

1089
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 1: it's so many So I think it's funny, think you're serious,

1090
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: but he's so goofy, So I would say he's really

1091
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: funny for sure, And I don't know that everyone knows

1092
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: that you're very funny. And he's also a sports freak.

1093
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: You are in Encyclopedia about sports, And I don't know,

1094
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: maybe in your next like, you'll be a sports guy.

1095
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: I know it's weird that I work at ESPN, but

1096
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: he you can rattle off the most obscure game. You

1097
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: get a little bit of that on Morning Shoe. You

1098
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: do your baseball. Joe loves baseball. We get some Yankees,

1099
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: some Red Sox. Yeah, get you in there, all right?

1100
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: How about who was the who was the who was

1101
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: the Stanley Cup? M VP of the last Blackhawks win,

1102
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: the last Blackhawks win, last Blackhawks Cup? Who is this?

1103
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: Jonathan Tate? No Kane, Patrick Kane, Patrick Kane. I mean,

1104
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: and I don't know that much about hockey either. We go, yes,

1105
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 1: that's really good, Okay. I always these are so hard

1106
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: because I remember people asked me these questions all the time,

1107
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: like what is your funniest memory on set? Like, I

1108
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: don't know, but go ahead and ask, but what was?

1109
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: But what was your funniest childhood? The entire time? I mean,

1110
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: I feel like you told one. Well, ours is just

1111
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: our parents were quirky and funny, and we had this

1112
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: is we had a life size plastic cow in our

1113
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 1: front yard. Plastic cow. No, yes, plastic cow. We still

1114
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: have it. Did you guys have to And ours was

1115
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: from l A was probably they shipped over my dad's

1116
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: probably siblings. We should get them back together so bad.

1117
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god. We had weird stuff like that. We

1118
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: had a bust of Elvis in our dining room, just

1119
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: sort of like in a beautiful position. We had a

1120
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: huge weird maybe it was art, but I don't think,

1121
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: like a hinz ketchup bottle that was like the size

1122
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: of a toddler. We just it's not a good story,

1123
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: but we just had weird, really weird, like it's almost

1124
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 1: like out of the Christmas story the lamp with the Yeah,

1125
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: the artwork was in our dining room. They had a

1126
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: frame photograph of the photo from Steak and Shake of

1127
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: the burger and fries like you would see on the

1128
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: wall of the place, Like that was framed nicely in

1129
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: our dining room. That's kind of it's almost like Warholly,

1130
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: but it was, you know, not Warholt. You know the

1131
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: cow our cow story is that my dad saw in

1132
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: LA offhand, was like, oh, it wouldn't it be funny

1133
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: if we had one of those. My mom calls, has

1134
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: it shipped and sent for give it to him for

1135
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: Christmas that year, she put it in the front yard

1136
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: and said go outside, and he said, oh my god,

1137
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:30,959
Speaker 1: I can't believe you got the cow. So that's great.

1138
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: So we all go inside for the night. The cow

1139
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: lives in the yard. We wake up the next morning

1140
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: the cow is gone. Someone saw saw it and stole

1141
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: the cow, and it was it was neighborhood kids. So

1142
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: we tracked it down. Took a couple of days. No,

1143
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: but they couldn't get it upstairs. They wanted to put

1144
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: it in their bedroom or something, and they couldn't get

1145
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: it upstairs. So they just brought it back and they

1146
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: were like sorry. It was like a bunch of dudes

1147
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: in migrade, I think. But it was classic, like classic,

1148
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: like suburban New Jersey. They had like a nice bottle

1149
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: of chardonnay on the topic, So sorry for stealing her.

1150
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: Who on fucking earth? I know? And I with a plane.

1151
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: It was hard to be me, like to try to

1152
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: be cool in high school and that you know. I

1153
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: don't know, but it became to us and then people

1154
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: come over and be like off in the backyard, Oh yeah,

1155
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: that is weird, isn't it. Who calls the other one? More?

1156
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: I think I call you more. Yeah, you might. She's

1157
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: very busy. She's very busy. She's done a lot of

1158
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: time for me with the oscars and everything, of course,

1159
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: winning all those statues, the statues most disagreed on topic, Libby,

1160
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: she's like has a competitive fire and she gets worked

1161
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: up very easily. Like she gets like pissed off real quick.

1162
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: It's what happens when you grow up with older brothers.

1163
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: That's what it is. Ye, maybe we disagree, like just

1164
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: like a little more mellow, maybe I should I know. Yeah,

1165
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: that's not a disagreement though, controlling, you know, if you

1166
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: bring up something that might be heated, that it's not

1167
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: going to be like but she's not like Ann scream

1168
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: at me about no no, but you're no. We don't know.

1169
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: But you're like you're you're asserted. Yes, And I'm definitely

1170
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: competitive for sure. Yes he was more competitive. You are

1171
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: really Yeah, but you also know like the old school

1172
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: ways of driving me crazy, Like there's certain voices you

1173
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: use that make me so mad, Like some of those

1174
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: things still work somehow, certain words you use, like there's

1175
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: still like the stuff from you know when you're twelve,

1176
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: they're just like great on you that you would continue

1177
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: to do like like even with my kids, like you

1178
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: just are like my big brother. It's just you're so annoying.

1179
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: I know. But that's what. That's what your that's your voice.

1180
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: You'll just like like the voice used to make when

1181
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: you were like you knew it would annoy me. When

1182
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: you're like ordering from a deli, No, I know what

1183
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: you do it because you know it bothers people like

1184
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: so like that's never left, you know, it just sort

1185
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: of trickles. Everyone's like a trigger. Same voice. I'm just

1186
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: like I just hate that thing. You know, when somebody

1187
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: is like at a deli looking in the case and

1188
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: they're taking too long and like it's a real decision

1189
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: and they like have their glasses in their mouth. I

1190
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: look the tun sound looks good and see how does

1191
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: that today? Like just the oldest thinking and over and olysis. Yeah,

1192
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: things like that. That's a good one. Okay something your

1193
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: siblings really bad at? Oh okay, let's see you're bad

1194
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: at You're bad at diving into the pool. Oh you're

1195
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: a bad what you don't have a great dive? Too much?

1196
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: Too much, too much, too much, you're too big for it?

1197
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: Why would give it up? Why would you got to point?

1198
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: You got to point your toes? Yes, why would you

1199
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: wait until this podcast to tell me about that? When

1200
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: you say it in real time? We don't need therapy. Now,

1201
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: this is good. Couldn't we be honest with each other

1202
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: about our diving to splash? See, it's just too good.

1203
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: Some people weren't made for us. It's fine, So I'm

1204
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: trying to spice it up for you guys here. Okay,

1205
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: so what about your siss what's she bad at? She's

1206
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: she gets she's a bad driver. Oh my god, you

1207
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 1: get the best driver in the family. No, you get

1208
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: upset too quickly. But I'm right, guys, he's got the

1209
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: signal and he comes in. Just let him go. She's

1210
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: you have to have. It's good to be aggressive, but

1211
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: you've got to have some poise when I got to

1212
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: get you for me to be Yeah, yeah, that's Michael.

1213
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: Oh god, Livy, I love you. One thing you can

1214
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: do that your sibling can't dunk with a jockstrap on

1215
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: is yours? Oh dunk about he can dunk? Yeah? Still

1216
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: I haven't tried in a couple of years. Okay, who

1217
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: gives better relationship advice? I don't give each other. Relationship advice,

1218
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: better career advice. You give better career advice, you think

1219
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: so I do. Yeah, you give a really good career advice.

1220
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: I think. I think Libby knows, always knows what to

1221
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: do and sometimes just needs one person to say, yes,

1222
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: you're doing the right thing. She knows, her instincts are great.

1223
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: Who's more controlling? Am I? Maybe? Now I'll go me

1224
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: professionally and you personally? How about that? Oh I like

1225
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: to put the baby. Yeah, you're going to go on

1226
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: a trip? Siblings. Who's who's making the decision? As to Christina? Guys,

1227
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: my wife, my wife? She Yeah, sometimes she's just like, guys, yes,

1228
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: do this. She's the best. She's a planner, she gets you,

1229
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: very decisive, she is the best, very decisive. Better secret keeper.

1230
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: Who's the better secret keeper? Willias? I am mafia level? Yeah?

1231
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: Are you? It's a black box nothing. People tell me

1232
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: things and they know it's just yeah, lots going to

1233
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: the grave. Who's more laid back? I think I'm a

1234
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: little more laid back. I'm giving myself a lot of credit.

1235
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: I know you're good. How the older you get, the

1236
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: more you're like, you know what I can I deserve

1237
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: to say that I am. Yeah, I think I not always,

1238
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: but I maybe have enough perspective on life now that

1239
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay that thing actually like will He's like,

1240
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: forget the questions. Look, I'm better looking personality. Yeah, I

1241
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: have ye every possible way. Yes, the big winner. Who's

1242
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: the most rebellious? I think Libby a little more. Yeah,

1243
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: he's the most irrelious in life like it like when

1244
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: you were younger, I was never really I was never

1245
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: a bad kid. I would say I didn't do anything

1246
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: high school parties and that'suff definitely me. Yeah. No one

1247
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: was ever arrested. No one ever got arrested. There were

1248
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: misdemeanor arrests oliver, nothing that would put me away for

1249
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: any period of time. You never got thrown in the

1250
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: back of a cop car ever, Yeah, oh yeah. And

1251
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: fake IDs and stuff like that though, you know. Yeah,

1252
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: we had a shop in our kitchen in Ridgard, New Jersey,

1253
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: me and a couple of friends. And what you had

1254
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: to do was take the real New Jersey ID and

1255
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: you had to loosen the the adhesive. So we would

1256
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: boil water on my mom's stove and hold the license

1257
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: over it and the heat would loosen the glue, and

1258
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: then you'd peel the top the lamb in it off,

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Speaker 1: change the date of the year, and then put it

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Speaker 1: back on. And sometimes my mom would walk in. We'd

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Speaker 1: be like, Oh, we're just making some lunch. She's like,

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Speaker 1: are you boiling a driver's license? How did they do that? Now?

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Speaker 1: Because license are so hard to replicate anymore? Kids, we

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Speaker 1: had so much more fun. If you were running for office,

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Speaker 1: would there be skeletons in your closet that would keep

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Speaker 1: you from winning? I don't think anything that would keep

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Speaker 1: me from winning. No, I'm pretty boring. I have a

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Speaker 1: vision for this country that's greater than any skeleton in

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Speaker 1: my class. No, nothing, No, nope. I mean I'm sure

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Speaker 1: they'd find something, but it would be pretty lame that it

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Speaker 1: it would be past the news cycle. What about what

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Speaker 1: about your first celebrity crush? Oh? I love that question.

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Speaker 1: I think mine was Justine Bateman Mallory on Family Ties.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one. I like that show and

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Speaker 1: she Yeah, I think it was Justine Bateman. Mine was

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Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing Really yeah, wait, I'm still in love with him?

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Speaker 1: Is that weird? I'm so confused? Amazing? Yeah, Former Next seven.

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01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: I just think He's the perfect human and I've never

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Speaker 1: met him and I never want to because it can

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Speaker 1: only go downhill. Really, just wow, it's a weird one.

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Speaker 1: It's a weird one, but it's but I guess it. Jay,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't even Jordan. Yeah no, I mean I loved Michael,

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Speaker 1: of course, but Patrick will always have my heart. So yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: first childhood crush, like kiss my childhood crush, and no.

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Speaker 1: Before that, it was I think fifth grade Lindley Delette

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Speaker 1: at Glenn's school, and I love these names. Every time

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Speaker 1: we asked this Lindley delt. I don't know where she

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Speaker 1: is now, but I hope she's listening. Oh wow. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I tried to flirt with her once in fifth grade

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Speaker 1: by stealing her lunch and then pretending I found it.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like I heard somebody show

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Speaker 1: your lunch. She's like I didn't even know that. I

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01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: was like, I found it. Wow, what a hero? Did

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Speaker 1: you steal it? I was like a little bit but hi.

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Speaker 1: And that was the extent of my flirt. That was

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Speaker 1: my game. Yeap. Yeah it didn't work, and mine was

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Speaker 1: Luke Fromfield, who we call affectionately Puke. Still great, guy,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I think he would punch me on the

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Speaker 1: playground and stuff and it was really right. And you

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01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: still know Puky, Yeah, Puke and I are still Tight's

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01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: so cute. Yeah. Yeah. Favorite book of all time. I'm

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01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: gonna go Animal Farm because I just reread it recently.

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01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: I read The Great Gatsby once a year. Kind of

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01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: a boring answer, but I like going back to the old.

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Speaker 1: But they appreciated nothing in high school when you had

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01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: to read all those classics, So now I try to

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Speaker 1: go back. If you could have one other job other

1308
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: than the one you're doing right now, what would it be.

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01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: I think it'd be really fun to run a political campaign.

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Speaker 1: Obviously not a mercenary, but to really believe in somebody

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01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: and to fight for that cause and their beliefs and values.

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01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: I think that'd be really cool. I always envy people

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Speaker 1: like that, you know, that have that, like could really

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Speaker 1: believe in something so strongly that they want to get

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Speaker 1: behind it right and dedicate their life to a cause.

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01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's not glamorous, but if you like the

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Speaker 1: people who like the people who started with Obama in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and three when he decided he was gonna

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Speaker 1: run for Senate. I know a lot of those people,

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Speaker 1: and to be on the ground floor. Obviously that's once

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Speaker 1: in a lifetime Obama, but like to be invested and

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Speaker 1: be like, we believe in this guy. Nobody knows who

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Speaker 1: he is yet, but just wait and to have it

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Speaker 1: turn out that that's cool. I was just going to say,

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Speaker 1: I'll let you know when I'm ready to run. Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: I want to work on that campaign. By the way,

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Speaker 1: that's a whole. That's like a sitcom. Is there a

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Speaker 1: movie that you can quote from start to finish Boys

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Speaker 1: in the Hood. I couldn't do it right now because

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01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna ask me. But when it came

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Speaker 1: out in ninety one, the summer ninety one, I loved

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01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: it so much, bought the tape and honestly watched it

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Speaker 1: like four times a week. I feel that way about

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Speaker 1: that movie too. I don't have a I'm not a

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01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: good quote guy, but I think that one I've watched

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Speaker 1: almost as many, probably with you, I think. But like

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Speaker 1: Desert Island movie, you could pander throat in a Kate's movie.

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Speaker 1: I know. I was going to say, probably a good move. Libby.

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01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 1: Libby feels like a real how to lose a guy

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01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 1: in ten days kind of girl. Are you kidding me? Kate?

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01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: That's an all timer. Blazing Saddles was one of my dad.

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01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: He put that in when we were young and was like,

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01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: this is this is what's fun. When was the last

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01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: time you've seen Blazing? Said time, you should put it

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01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: in because it's so fucking funny. Yeah, I watched Three Amigos. Yeah,

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01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: that's a great one too. We did fried green tomatoes

1347
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: was an early favorite. Tomatoes and then steel magnolias. Yes.

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Speaker 1: A question that we asked every sibling, every group of siblings,

1349
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: if you could take something from your sibling for yourself

1350
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: to have as your own, what would it be? And

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01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: on the flip side of that, if you could take

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01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: something away from your sibling to make their lives a

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01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: little bit better, A trait, a stressor of some kind,

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01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: what would it be. Okay, this is really good. I

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01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: like this to take away. I think you I would

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01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: like some of your confidence. I think you know, like

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01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 1: especially because you've had success in what you're doing. I

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01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,600
Speaker 1: think you or speak confidently. You're confident in front of

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01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: big groups, Like I think you are really good at

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01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: presenting yourself and knowing what you believe in and saying

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Speaker 1: it strongly. I could use more of that. And then

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Speaker 1: I think you also say yes to too many things.

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01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: So as we said, you get up it fourish in

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Speaker 1: the morning. But oftentimes I'll call you or you'll be

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01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: like yeah, like volunteering at something, or someone asked me

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01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: to do this thing, and I was like, you just

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01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: have so much stuff in your life. And he's a

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Speaker 1: really good dad, and so I think there are times

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Speaker 1: where I was like, why are you doing Like it's

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01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,719
Speaker 1: the right, that's very nice, but why are you doing

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01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: that thing? So I think you could take some of

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01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 1: the stuff off your plate. That's what she said. That's

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01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: a good thing. She wants me to turn my back

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01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: on the charity, so that help not charity. Some of

1375
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: it is like that's an interesting way sting gigs. You know,

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01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: like there's a lot active. You know, there's it's like

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01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: some people I always say in the new Year, you

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01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: have a lot of people who go I want to

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01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: say yes more. And then there's a lot of people

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01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: it's like you know what, I'm going to actually say no? Right,

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01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: Like he just is like takes it all. He's like, yes,

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01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: I can do all of it and he can. I mean,

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01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: he keeps it up, but I think he could like

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01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: slow down. Okay, Well that's interesting because that's a little

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01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: bit where I was going. I was gonna say, slow

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01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: down and appreciate the things in your life because it

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01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: can feel chaotic. You got two young little boys tearing

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01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: each other apart every day, you're commuting into the city.

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01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: You've got this amazing career, and you have some So

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm rephrase, I'll take the guilt out because

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01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: sometimes Liby has to go to Sundance for a week

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01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: and she's missing something. Don't feel guilty about that. You

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01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,639
Speaker 1: got a great husband who's home. We're all around, and

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01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 1: it's all building towards this amazing career and life and

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01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: journey that's gonna be when you look back on it

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01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 1: in twenty years, are going to say it was worth

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01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: it because you are a good mom and you are

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01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: there enough and don't feel that guilt. So I'm taking

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Speaker 1: the guilt away. I love that, Allie, take great guilt away,

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01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: Take my guilt away. Yes, it's so relatable though, even

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01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: for even for myself. I mean I have a lot

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01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,799
Speaker 1: of guilt, you know, when I have to leave my kids,

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01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: or I know, I know you need to do more

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01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: to feel guilty more to feel the guilty. First, that's

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01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: a separate that's different podcast. I love that I can relate.

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01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 1: And then what about something that you wish that you had,

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01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: quality that you would have, would love to have. I

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01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: would love to have some of your left have some

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01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: of your visionary talent, which is to say, like to

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01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 1: look at a big project and not crank it out

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01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 1: and get it done, but to like see something through,

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01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: to plan it out. How would to be the best

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01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: way to do this, to like step back from things

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01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 1: which she does in her job and her career. Big

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01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: picture think, yeah, big picture thinking instead of mine is

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01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: the alarm goes off at four thirty and I get

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01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: a three hour show on the air, and then you

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01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: move on to the next one. To be able to

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01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: she's she's a better creative than I am. The things

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01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: that they make and that she makes will last well

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01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: beyond any of us. The things, for the most part,

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01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: things I do last until tomorrow until we do another one.

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Speaker 1: And so I would love to have the ability to

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Speaker 1: be as talented as she is in leaving something lasting. Wow,

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01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 1: good answer, I love it. Well. This has been so

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Speaker 1: much fun fun. Thank you, guys, thank you, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. Sibling Rivalry is executive duced by Kate Hudson,

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Speaker 1: Alira Hudson, and Simsarna. Supervising producer is Alison Presnik. Editor

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Speaker 1: is Josh Wendish. Music by Mark Hudson a k A

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