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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 1: My name is no Hippie is an establishment label for

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Speaker 1: a profound, invisible, underground evolutionary process. For every visible hippie

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Speaker 1: Barefoot the flowered be did there are a thousand invisible

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Speaker 1: members of the turned on underground, persons whose lives are

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Speaker 1: tuned into their inner vision, who are dropping out of

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Speaker 1: the TV comedy of American life. That's a quote by

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Speaker 1: Timothy Leary. I'm ben your you. This is stuff they

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Speaker 1: don't want you to know. And what do you think, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: about the nineteen sixties. It was a wild, heavy time,

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Speaker 1: a free love. I don't know. It was easier to

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Speaker 1: get validated. That's the best music I think came out

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Speaker 1: We'd be remiss if we didn't mention the zombies. There

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Speaker 1: were a couple of political dynasties that came out of

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Speaker 1: Kennedy's were the big one. There were some drugs, A

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Speaker 1: just about as much as you could fit in your fist, yeah,

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Speaker 1: or you know, could fit onto a tiny piece of paper,

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Speaker 1: put it right. They're also proxy wars that were occurring

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Speaker 1: in several different parts of the globe between the United

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixties in the United States, one of the most

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Speaker 1: culturally as the nineteen sixties. We can talk about that more.

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Speaker 1: But you know, in terms of revolution, the idea of

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Speaker 1: and uh, and the way that technology empowers and hinders

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Speaker 1: What we're talking about when we talk about these revolutionary

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Speaker 1: something called counter culture, right, a way of life and

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Speaker 1: could counter cultures ultimately, uh, dependent upon what is normal

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Speaker 1: if we're if we're talking about LSDA. You know who

423
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Speaker 1: My favorite LSD researcher was John C. Lily, who would

424
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Speaker 1: regularly take doses of LSD in the early sixties when

425
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: he was introduced to it, and then he would put

426
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Speaker 1: himself in the sensory deprivation tanks or he can you

427
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Speaker 1: imagine um? And he also was big on dolphin research,

428
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Speaker 1: and he would often take LSD and hang out with dolphins,

429
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Speaker 1: and then his research over time developed into much more

430
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Speaker 1: dolphins centric work where he was trying to communicate communicate

431
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Speaker 1: with dolphins felt like they had some sort of psychic

432
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Speaker 1: abilities that could be exploited by being on LSD allows

433
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: you to kind of reach that level and then you know,

434
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Speaker 1: have psychic conversations with these dolphins. And he even had

435
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Speaker 1: an experiment where he flooded a building and had a

436
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Speaker 1: woman a research assistant. I suppose you could say, live

437
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Speaker 1: with a dolphin in this flooded apartment and over time

438
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:45,959
Speaker 1: developed something of a let's say, a relationship with with

439
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: said dolphin. But yeah, so it was the Wild West, Yeah, yeah,

440
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: and longtime listeners recognize some of uh, some of that

441
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Speaker 1: story from previous episodes where the thing was was the

442
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: dolphin actually communicating? It was the dolphins simply taking indecent

443
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Speaker 1: proposal style rewards for certain behaviors. You know which pro

444
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Speaker 1: quo if only one of us could make the dolphin noise? Yeah,

445
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: that was like a Tom Waite's dolphin. Okay, Yeah, So

446
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Speaker 1: Frank Olsen. Getting back to Frank Olsen defenustrated. Did he

447
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Speaker 1: jump out of the window of his New York hotel

448
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: room about a week and a half after his drink

449
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: had been spiked with LSD at a work retreat by

450
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Speaker 1: his coworkers or was he pushed? When the real cause

451
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: of Frank Olsen's death was finally made public by the

452
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: Rockefeller Commission in nine, it was a public relations nightmare

453
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Speaker 1: for the Ford administration, and they selected a guy to

454
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Speaker 1: run damage control on this issue. You might recognize him.

455
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: Name was Dick Cheney. So he did damage control on

456
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: this and then eventually they issued the US government issued

457
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Speaker 1: an apology to Frank Olson's widow. But the death of

458
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Speaker 1: Agent Olson, Frank Olson and the discovery of things like

459
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Speaker 1: Operation Midnight climax easily overshadowed most of the other, uh,

460
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Speaker 1: most of the other things we found out about Project

461
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Speaker 1: m KO Ultra. But another relevant finding was this the

462
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Speaker 1: CIA had funded academic research into LSD like a lot

463
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Speaker 1: before the drug was criminalized in nine oh. Yes, and

464
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: some of these academics working on LSD research knowingly took

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Speaker 1: money from the Central Intelligence Agency to do this stuff.

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Speaker 1: A lot of others had CIA money indirectly funneled to them,

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Speaker 1: and you know, maybe they didn't even know that this

468
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Speaker 1: was happening, but still that's what's funding their research. Um,

469
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: because they are all these front groups that the c

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Speaker 1: I U, c i A uses. We've discussed these before,

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Speaker 1: the FBI do the to any intelligence agency uses a

472
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Speaker 1: front group. It's a front company. It's a very handy thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like the the general rule of thumb here is at

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Speaker 1: least what the three of us have discovered is that

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Speaker 1: the more vague a group's name is, the more likely

476
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Speaker 1: they are a front for something, you know what I mean,

477
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: or just yeah vanilla. So it just feels serious if

478
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Speaker 1: there's yeah, like, if there's I and I am making

479
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: this up. So any resemblance to a real thing is

480
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: purely incidental. But like if we met a representative that

481
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 1: was like people for ideas, I think, I know, that's sketchy.

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Speaker 1: You know, people have all kinds of ideas and they're

483
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Speaker 1: all kinds of people, I mean, be specific for ideas

484
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Speaker 1: and things. Right, other researchers who people for ideas and things,

485
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Speaker 1: that's a watch out, Rand Corporation. There's a new guy

486
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Speaker 1: in town. Uh. Other researchers who did scientific experiments with

487
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: LSD did not have any funding from the CIA, but

488
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Speaker 1: the company might send a covert agent to keep track

489
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Speaker 1: of any interesting findings. So you know, Hi, my name's

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Speaker 1: John Smith. I'm the new lab Tech. Yeah, yeah, I

491
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Speaker 1: went to anywhere university. Yeah, right near America Town. Anyhow,

492
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Speaker 1: what's going on with these acids? Right that? I mean,

493
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Speaker 1: it's spot on. That's that's what happened, and this kind

494
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: of stuff can still happen to date. For people who

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Speaker 1: believe the CIA created or co opted the American counterculture movement,

496
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: the experiments that occurred in the nineteen fifties naturally evolved

497
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: into programs during the city sixties too. As we mentioned earlier,

498
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: neutralize that threat of social activism by turning the activists

499
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Speaker 1: into you know, his peace and love oriented and then

500
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Speaker 1: to me, I wonder if this was the case. Was

501
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: it more about the perception as well, you know what

502
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: I mean, where it's like, if they're not taken seriously,

503
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: it's sort of neuters them a little bit in terms

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Speaker 1: of like actually affecting change, getting other people to believe,

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Speaker 1: getting other people to sign on for their cause. And

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously the you know, like we said, there

507
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: was definitely a connection between the political activists scene and

508
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Speaker 1: the counterculture you know, psychedelic hippie movement for sure, but visually,

509
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: like from a pr standpoint, it's very easy for those

510
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Speaker 1: in power and people supporting those in power to view

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Speaker 1: this group negatively in a way where it's like, you know,

512
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Speaker 1: I am not threatened by them, I just kind of

513
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: feel like they're lazy, shiftless, do nothings that that means

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Speaker 1: that have no impact. You're not going to change the world,

515
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Speaker 1: and a pair of blue jean trousers. I'm gonna try

516
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Speaker 1: and we'll have to see how that how that hippie's

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Speaker 1: journey turns out. After a word from our sponsor, it's

518
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Speaker 1: not gonna go well. Boo jeans, baby queen. It is

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Speaker 1: been a bad baby, mean baby queen, baby queens. Alright,

520
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Speaker 1: it's like uh, you know the toddlers in Tierra Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

521
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: that is like honey boo boo, pretty mercury as a baby.

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Speaker 1: Well that, as you can tell, the drugs have kicked in. Um,

523
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: we are now in that country, yes, and we are

524
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Speaker 1: still looking for evidence about this idea. Right. One of

525
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: the biggest pieces of evidence for people who believe that

526
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: the c I, a masterminded puppeteered a shift in counterculture

527
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Speaker 1: was the idea that Timothy Leary, whom we quoted at

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Speaker 1: the top of the show, was himself a c I.

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Speaker 1: A asset. What horror. Yes, writer and Mark Reebling asked

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Speaker 1: Timothy Leary about this after Leary gave a speech in Gainesville, Florida,

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Speaker 1: and Leary said, they never gave me a dime. But

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. In fact, he did get money from

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Speaker 1: the Central Intelligence Agency. He didn't get very much, but

534
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: he did get He got some some scratch, some chatter,

535
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Speaker 1: some mula. I'm just going to choose words for money now. Scrilla,

536
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: some scrilla, scrill is good. Some wampum. Yeah. So, while

537
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: Leary perhaps didn't know that he had been a willing CI,

538
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: a temporary agent stooge. Yeah, well, the agency or the

539
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: company ben as you call them before. I love calling

540
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: them the company their term, I know, but it just

541
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Speaker 1: calling it that is quite fun. Man. They tend to

542
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: promote people who who truly believe in a cause, but

543
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: are unaware perhaps of what they're really advancing, what the

544
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: left hand is truly doing while the right hand toils

545
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,479
Speaker 1: away over here. Yes. Yes, so that's a great point

546
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Speaker 1: because we know that in some foreign countries where intelligence

547
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Speaker 1: agencies and I know we're picking on the CIA right now,

548
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: but intelligence agencies in general will have these kind of

549
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: covert practices. Imagine, uh, you know, a a developing country

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00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: or some sort of unstable regime, right, and your student

551
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: protests group, and somebody comes up and says, yeah, I

552
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: also believe in the call cause. Right, forget the monarchy

553
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: or forget the theocracy or whatever the current flavor of

554
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: democracy is. Here's some funding. And by the way, let

555
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,959
Speaker 1: me teach you about protest techniques. You could totally think

556
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: that was just someone who knew their stuff, like democracy pistachio.

557
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: Democracy is a great democracy flavor. I would put it

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00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: up there, you know, in the top three. So this,

559
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: as Matt said, someone could completely believe in a cause,

560
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: finds help from a well dressed stranger, right while spoken stranger,

561
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: and not have any idea what that that person's ultimate

562
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: motivations were. So funds for Leary's research and drugs. The

563
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: material for it came from the CIA, and he has

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Speaker 1: an autobiography Leary does. It's called Flashbacks. It was published

565
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Speaker 1: three in that he credits a guy named cord Meyer

566
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Speaker 1: the CIA, a executive in charge of funding uh, the counterculture,

567
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Speaker 1: with quote helping me to understand my political cultural role

568
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: more clearly. And he goes on he says, the liberal

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Speaker 1: CIA is get this guy's the best mafia you can

570
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: deal with in the twentieth century, which is which is weird?

571
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: Do you hear the guy the dropout tune in guy best? Like?

572
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: How better than like the Sopranos? Like like that kind

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00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: of mafia? What are we talking? Yeah? I guess so

574
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: more efficient, less likely to break your legs. I don't

575
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Speaker 1: under Yeah. I guess he just got along with him.

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00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: I guess they were just maybe they just didn't shake

577
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: him down for his debts at the dog Track. I'm kidding.

578
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: They probably kept him you know in acid I'm sure

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00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: you know what. That's a good point, and that makes

580
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: me think of that owls Ley Fellow as well. So

581
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: other vanguards of the LSD movement, including Alan Gensburg, certainly

582
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Speaker 1: believed that the CIA played more than a cameo part

583
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: in this culture jamming. Right. So, the first major public

584
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: statements in the seventies by countercultural figures UM to actually

585
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: speculate on the relationship between the CIA and LSD happened

586
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: on October nineties seven at a conference at the University

587
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: of California in Santa Cruz that was called LSD A

588
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: generation later, sort of a postmortem UM. Alan Ginsburg, who

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00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: compared the conference to an acid head class reunion UH said,

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00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: quote am I Alan Ginsburg the product of one of

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Speaker 1: the CIA's lamentable, ill advised or triumphantly successful experiments in

592
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Speaker 1: mind control. Had they, by conscious plan or inadvertent Pandora's box,

593
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Speaker 1: let loose the whole LSD fad on the US and

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00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: the world things that make you go, that's right. And

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Speaker 1: Timothy Leary was also at the conference. He addressed questions

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Speaker 1: about the LSD c I a issue, and he said

597
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Speaker 1: the LSD movement was started by the CIA to the CIA,

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Speaker 1: hey can I do a voice? And he said, the

599
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: movement were started by the c I A. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be here now without the fore shight of the c

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Speaker 1: I A shy and tiste. It was no accident. It

602
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: was all planned and scripted by the Central Intelligence Agency.

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Speaker 1: And I'm all in favor of Central Intelligence? Is that

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Speaker 1: like a Sean Connery voice? Is Sean connor ish is

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Speaker 1: what I'm calling it? Because you know, I'm not doing

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Speaker 1: the whole I'm not quite going all the way there. Okay,

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Speaker 1: First of all, I love Sean Conner ish. That should

608
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Speaker 1: be a thing, and I want to see this opportunity

609
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Speaker 1: to announce a new word that I have coined um

610
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Speaker 1: for addressing things that are going on in the news

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Speaker 1: right now. And it is hilarifying. Oh that is quite

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Speaker 1: im portmant to No. Well done, just I had to

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Speaker 1: lay it down on some media so that I can,

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Speaker 1: you know, claim you're on the record, my friend. Hilarifying.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, please use that whenever you find it appropriate,

616
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 1: but do credit Noel Brown. It appears that that term

617
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: was used during the Hillary Clinton campaign as Hillary ifying.

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Speaker 1: No I feeling is different. Hilarifying is totally different. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just want I typed it in. It's all so

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Speaker 1: when you when you hillary ify something dazzling it So

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Speaker 1: there there's another interesting part here. Hilarifying aspect to this

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Speaker 1: guy is really good. I'm still on that. That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: I'm on that trip, as Kinks would say. Uh in.

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Speaker 1: Guy named John Marks, a former Foreign Service officer, published

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Speaker 1: a book called The Search for the Manchurian Candidate, and

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Speaker 1: he looked at all the differ for ways this agency

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00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: attempted to control the human mind for the purposes of espionage.

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Speaker 1: And just for the record, running on pretty much no

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Speaker 1: sleep makes saying former Foreign Service officer pretty tough. You

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Speaker 1: do it with a plum. Thank you. I feel like

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Speaker 1: I'm doing it very carefully, very rural. Jurl e um,

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Speaker 1: you did it deep in your plumes. What in a

633
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Speaker 1: In a chapter covering the CIA's interest and experiments with

634
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: LSD Mars rights, CIA officials never meant that the likes

635
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: of Leary, Heasy and Ginsburg should be turned on. Yet

636
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: these men were, and they, along with many of the

637
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: lesser known experimental subjects like Harvard's Ralph Bloom, created the

638
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: climate whereby l s D escaped the government's control and

639
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: came available by the early sixties on the black market.

640
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: No one at the agency apparently foresaw that young Americans

641
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: would voluntarily take this drug, whether for consciousness expansion or

642
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: recreational purposes. The mk ultra experts were mainly on a

643
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: control trip, and they proved incapable of gaining insight from

644
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: their own LSD experiences of how others less fixated on

645
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: making people do their bidding would react to the drug.

646
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: So that's going to marks what what we're finding is

647
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: that the CIA did indeed finance hundreds of experiments into

648
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: LSD and maybe even more, But what happened is that

649
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: they couldn't control the supply. I mean, think about it.

650
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: They're they're in alder they're in multiple college campuses, universities, right,

651
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: and they have uh supplies of this hallucinogen left right, north,

652
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: south east west. Kin Kisi was a janitor, that one

653
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: not any access to it. And you're telling me that

654
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: guy didn't walk away sweetening the pot. Do you guys

655
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: remember that movie Half Baked abraca dabra b a, Yeah,

656
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 1: scup and be which that line still doesn't make sense

657
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: to me. It haunts me at night. But in their

658
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, uh David Dave Chappelle plays of Janitor at

659
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: a Yeah, Janitor Spencer here or like what do they

660
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: have like lab? It was totally pre medical marijuana to

661
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: that movie. So I'm confused about why they had it.

662
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: Was his research facility of some kind. It was definitely

663
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: I think the somebody check us on this, but I

664
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Speaker 1: feel like the furthest they went was, you know, here's

665
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: a lab, right, I think so, I don't know if

666
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: they explained what they remember. Remember they had all of

667
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: the Maui wauie, I remember that was. Yeah. I totally

668
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: didn't understand a lot of that movie when I first

669
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: saw it. Yeah, yeah, that's like when I saw Pulp

670
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: actually when I was twelve, and that whole scene with

671
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: uh Uma Thurman where she overdoses or whatever. I didn't

672
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: understand the logistics of that, the distinction between what she

673
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: thought that thing was and what it actually was. The

674
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: We're a Family show, I'm not going to get into

675
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: it too much, but yeah, yeah, kids don't don't see

676
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: weird al rated movies about drugs when you're when you're young. Yeah,

677
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: I was like, I remember thinking she is unwell, and

678
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: then thinking what a spoiler, uh, and then thinking like

679
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: is she a vampire? Why did he? Why did you

680
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: stab her in the chest? Here are our conclusions. One

681
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: thing we have to know is that it is important

682
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: to to recognize that the U S counterculture at this

683
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: time was probably no more than ten percent of the

684
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: youth popular you know, like the youth population or that demographic.

685
00:45:54,480 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: Like like Noel said, they're just more visible, right, And

686
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: this is something we see speaking of cycles, this is

687
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: something we see in mass media today. The more visibly

688
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: distinct people will be, you know, the things that make

689
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: good optics are good television. Even if that's just one

690
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: out of a hundred people, we're gonna focus on that person.

691
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: It also seems that the CIA did have a powerful

692
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: role in the emergence of counterculture, but it might not

693
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: have been so much a grand puppeteering plan as it

694
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: was a series of whoops, eke my bads, you know,

695
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: and unintended consequences. This this goes to the idea of

696
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: whether or not you know, there's this disconnect that occurs

697
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: sometimes because the idea of whether or not this agency

698
00:46:54,239 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: is capable of perpetrating something like that right. It's to

699
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: strange a contradictory thing that occurs sometimes where you know,

700
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: you'll hear people say that a government or an organization

701
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: is inefficient and a bunch of dunder heads duface is

702
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: but then also somehow capable of duping hundreds of millions

703
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: of people, you know those That's a that's a its

704
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: own sort of double think. But one thing that keeps

705
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: us from throwing out this idea entirely is this. It

706
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: turns out the Central Intelligence Agency of the US is

707
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: absolutely capable of using culture as a weapon, and furthermore,

708
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: has no compunction whatsoever about doing so. So, as The

709
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: Guardian reports, the CIA quote used American modern art, including

710
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: the works of such artists as Jackson Pollock, Robert Motherwell,

711
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: Willem dacoon ing Uh and also Mark Rothko, as a

712
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: weapon in the Cold War in the manner of a

713
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: Renaissance prince, except that it acted secretly. The CIA fostered

714
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: and promoted American abstract expressionist painting around the world for

715
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: more than twenty years. So why did the CIA support them?

716
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: Because in the propaganda war with the Soviet Union, this

717
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: new artistic movement could be held up as proof of

718
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: the creativity of the intellectual freedom and the cultural power

719
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: of the US Russian art strapped into the communist ideological

720
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: straight jacket. Could not compa that as a continuation of

721
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: the quote, Um, there's a long one you want to

722
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: do on the sure. Yeah. The decision to include culture

723
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: and arts in the US Cold War arsenal was taken

724
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: as soon as the CIA was officially founded in ninety seven.

725
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: They were dismayed at the appeal communism still had for

726
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: a lot of intellectuals and artists in the West, and

727
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: the agency set up a division called the Propaganda Assets

728
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: Inventory or the p AI, and its peak, it could

729
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: influence more than eight hundred newspapers, magazines, and public information organizations.

730
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: They joked that it was like a Wurlitzer jukebox. When

731
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 1: the CIA pushed a button, it could hear whatever tune

732
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: wanted playing across the world. So the big question goes

733
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: beyond just this this historical aspect. The big question is

734
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: not just whether the CIA actively neutralized social activism via

735
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: cultural influence in the nineteen sixties. Instead, the big question

736
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: is this, what is the CIA messing with culture wise

737
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: today and does it affect you? And how would you?

738
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: How would you decipher if it is in fact happening

739
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: to you right now, how could you tell you have

740
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: to tell me if you're a cop right now, I'm

741
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 1: definitely not a cop. That's also a myth. By the way, folks,

742
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 1: I've tried. It does not work, So I went to jail.

743
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: Kidding kind of words, sounds, speaking, colors, marshmallows, all of

744
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: which means that we hope you enjoyed our exploration of

745
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: the CIA's role in the course of culture, the evolution

746
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: the social dynamics upon which so much of history hinges

747
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: in this country. And we would like to thank our

748
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: friend Henry h who suggested this topic for us, along

749
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: with a couple of other topics. We're gonna follow up

750
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: with some stuff that that that Henry hipt the stoop

751
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: And speaking of our fantastic listeners, it sounds like it's

752
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: time for chat at corners. I'm gonna swoop in here,

753
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: guys and do one from rich Um. He wrote an email, Hello,

754
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: std W I c K love the show. I answered

755
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: your question about a million terabytes and threw in a

756
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: little extra about recording phone calls in this document. And

757
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: then he attached a PDF that reads as follows, I'm

758
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: an electrical engineering student, and I'm writing you in regards

759
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: to the question about what a million terabytes is called

760
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: a million terabytes is an exabyte, and then he gives

761
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: us this helpful chart. One terabyte is a billion bytes,

762
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: and then one kilobyte is a thousand bytes. One terabyte

763
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: times one kilobyte equals one exabyte. Fun idea. One telephone

764
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: call is sixty four kbps, which is kilobytes per second.

765
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: Eight bits equals one byte. One exabyte is one times

766
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: ten to the eighteen bytes eight e one eight bits

767
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: equals one exabyte. And then he's got some figures here.

768
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: It's a little over my head, but thank you for

769
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: the thoroughness in you or explanation of a million terribittes.

770
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: As it turns out, it is not a bagel bite. Um. No, no,

771
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 1: but that would be cool um. And then he goes

772
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: on to say. In February twelve, Utah Governor Gary H.

773
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: Herbert revealed that the Utah Data Center would be the

774
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: first quote facility in the world expected to gather and

775
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: house a yata bite and yata bites um. Since then,

776
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: conflicting media reports have also estimated our storage capacity in

777
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: terms of zeta bytes and xa bites. While the actual

778
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: capacity is classified for national security reasons, we can say

779
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: this the Utah Data Center was built with future expansion

780
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: in mind, and the ultimate capacity will definitely be a

781
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: lot of bites. Rich love that one. Thank you so much,

782
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: Rich for the info and for the insight. Yeah that

783
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: was really great. Rich. You lost me an ex a bite,

784
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: but you know it's all good. It was least I

785
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: enjoyed it when I hear numbers like that. Huh. My

786
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: brain doesn't function in that way. It just kind of

787
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:11,479
Speaker 1: goes it seriously does That was a good sound. And

788
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,959
Speaker 1: our next shout out goes to Jessica p. Jessica writes

789
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: in and says, Hi, guys, I have found and started

790
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: listening to your podcast about two weeks ago while looking

791
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: for something both interesting and informative to listen to on

792
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: my long commutes to work. I spend about three hours

793
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: in the car each day. Yeah that's rough. One. Uh,

794
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: thanks so much for the work you put into these

795
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: audio video series. They've certainly made my commute more enjoyable. Secondly,

796
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: have you, guys, ever done anything on spontaneous human combustion?

797
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: This one's near and dear to me as I vividly

798
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: remember having seen a documentary on it as a kid

799
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: and subsequently spending the next five to ten years and

800
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: fear of suddenly catching on fire. Anytime I would feel

801
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: inexplicable centralized warmth on any of my appendange is usually

802
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: an arm. I'd rush to the sink and start soaking

803
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: the affected area in cold water, just to put it

804
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: out preemptively, I guess, to combat what I was sure

805
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: was the start of my fiery demise. You'll be happy

806
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: to hear that I grew out of that fear, but

807
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear what you guys have to say

808
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: about it. If you've already got stuff up and I

809
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: missed it, please shoot me a link. Thinks again, look

810
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: forward to more hours of hearing about the stuff they

811
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: don't want me to know, spontaneous human combustion. You know.

812
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: That made me think of a thing that I heard

813
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: on NPR this weekend. I believe it was um wait, wait,

814
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: don't tell me it was about a It was a

815
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: news story where in a Florida lawyer And I'm gonna

816
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: read this from the article that I pulled up. This

817
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: is from the uh Syracuse Dot com The headline is

818
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: lawyers pants catch fire during Miami arson case. So let's

819
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: see um. As a Florida lawyer argued in a court

820
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: case on Wednesday that his client's car spontaneously burst into flames,

821
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: his own pants caught on fire in front of the jury.

822
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: During the argument, Stephen Guccieris was fiddling in his pocket

823
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: when smoke started billowing and he had to rush out

824
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: of the courtroom, reports the Miami Herald. Jurors were then

825
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 1: escorted out and Gutierres returned unharmed with a burnt pocket.

826
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: As it turns out, it was a faulty E cigarette.

827
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: But how amazing is it that a lawyer arguing about

828
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: a case about a car spontaneously combusting had their pants

829
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: catch on fire. That's pretty fun, pants, Well, you probably

830
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: have burned really badly. That's not fun. I'm sorry about that,

831
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: but it's too delicious not to No, no, it's it

832
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 1: says that he's okay in the article, and our final

833
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: shoutout goes to Alex, who says, hey, guys, love your show.

834
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: Thank you, Alex. And I'm living here in Denver and

835
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: it's a place right with conspiracies. We have the murals

836
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: at the Denver International Airport. Lots of weird stuff. They're

837
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: the Stanley Hotel and or ad. Oh that's what I'd

838
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: like to delve into. I'd love to hear a show

839
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: about some of these. So keep up the great work.

840
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: Best Alex, Thank you Alex and good suggestions. Yeah, thank

841
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: you Alex, Thank you Rich and thank you Jessica. I've

842
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: got to ask, have you guys been to Colorado? Never? Once?

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Speaker 1: In my life? I have not either, although I actually

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Speaker 1: visit and spoke very highly of the place. That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: I I have only been to the airport, so I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you can, if you can count just

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Speaker 1: don't know if you can the Denver Airport. Did you

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Speaker 1: see all the weird murals? And is it wild? It's

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Speaker 1: weird and it's creepy, Like I see why it is

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Speaker 1: off putting to people. But Blue Horse and listeners, if

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Speaker 1: you're not familiar with the Denver Airport has some very unusual,

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Speaker 1: dark kind of imperialistic looking imagery where there's like these

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Speaker 1: kind of like big centurion figures wearing gas masks, swinging sabers,

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Speaker 1: and then there's like this line of emaciated children and

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Speaker 1: refugees and it's very very dark. Look it up. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we'll do one on that, and I'm gonna be a

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Speaker 1: whole episode worth, but it might be worth fitting into

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Speaker 1: something about unusual murals are across the world. And we

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Speaker 1: do have a video from earlier. Yes, we do conspiratorial career.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of video, the we have to make the announcement now,

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Speaker 1: just do it because it's going out. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's happening. It's all happening. So was it in September

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Speaker 1: of last year when we went to the guidestones. It

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Speaker 1: was a while ago. We went to the Georgia Guidestones

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Speaker 1: in Elverton, Georgia, or nine miles from Elverton, Georgia, and

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Speaker 1: we we shot the stones. We discussed with nol his

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Speaker 1: personal relationship with the granite. The three of us almost

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Speaker 1: got he stroke. I have a personal relationship with granite,

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Speaker 1: that's true. Um. And an awesome older gentleman named Wyatt

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Speaker 1: who you who had a talk with several talks with

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Speaker 1: and Uh he has a an even closer relationship to

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Speaker 1: the granted again, no sleep here, no sleep till okay. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So the reason why there's no sleep is because I've

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Speaker 1: been up for the past three nights past two am

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Speaker 1: working on this thing. These guys have been writing and

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Speaker 1: inter like. We interviewed Nold for this thing, and we're

881
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Speaker 1: using a bunch of his footage. Been has just been

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Speaker 1: writing his took us off to make this thing happen.

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Speaker 1: And we're so excited that it's finally coming out and

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Speaker 1: it's you know, you've noticed that we haven't been doing

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Speaker 1: the weekly videos lately, and I've been getting a lot

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Speaker 1: of questions as to whether they're coming back or not.

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Speaker 1: We've been kind of beating around the bush about it

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Speaker 1: a little bit, but this is our first real kind

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Speaker 1: of long form peace and we are so proud of it.

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Speaker 1: Um I personally am just insanely proud of Matt. He's

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Speaker 1: done so an incredible job. We kind of watched the

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Speaker 1: whole thing for the most it's days ago and since

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Speaker 1: Danny's I don't even know, but it was looking phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: It's really a heartfelt story there's a lot of interesting

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Speaker 1: twists and turns, things you might not have heard about yet. Um,

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Speaker 1: even if you're familiar with the story, even if you

897
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Speaker 1: listen to our podcast on it, so go back, check

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Speaker 1: out the podcast and be on the lookout. Where is

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Speaker 1: it gonna be math So yeah, the main thing here

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Speaker 1: is that it's gonna be on Amazon Video, so you

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Speaker 1: can stream it on Amazon. If you have a Prime account,

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Speaker 1: it'll be a commercial free. If you don't have a

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Speaker 1: Prime account, there might be a commercial or two in there,

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Speaker 1: but it's gonna be worth it. I garonn tee it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we're hopefully gonna put it on YouTube as well after

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Speaker 1: a little while. And for everyone who has listened to

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Speaker 1: our earlier audio episode on the Georgia Guidestones Door, this

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Speaker 1: is different enough that we promise you won't feel like

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Speaker 1: you're sitting through the same thing. With pictures, we we

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Speaker 1: took a different approach. If you are a fan of

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Speaker 1: our classic stuff, they don't want you to know videos

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Speaker 1: you like this one. It will be worth your time.

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Speaker 1: We hope that you enjoy it as much as we have,

914
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Speaker 1: so let us know what you think. You can also

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Speaker 1: find us on Facebook and Twitter and Instagram where we're

916
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: conspiracy stuffing Conspiracy Stuff show. On our Instagram. You can

917
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Speaker 1: listen to every single audio episode we have ever done

918
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Speaker 1: at Deep Breath stuff. They don't want you to Know

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Speaker 1: dot com. Oh last point of business. Um. In this

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Speaker 1: month of this year, we're participating in this thing called

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Speaker 1: tripod t r y pod, wherein we recommend a podcast

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Speaker 1: that we would like you to try. UM. The hashtag

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Speaker 1: tripod is being used all around for people to share

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Speaker 1: their favorite shows with their friends and four shows to

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Speaker 1: share their favorite shows with their audiences. UM. So you

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Speaker 1: guys want to do one what's a what's a favorite

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Speaker 1: podcast of yours? Well? I wanna kind of do an

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Speaker 1: internal shout out really fast for Stuff of Life. Congratulations

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Speaker 1: to you, Noel Brown, Well, thank you. Yeah. We just

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Speaker 1: launched season two of the Stuff of Life with Julie Douglas.

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Speaker 1: It's a show that I produce and it's our most

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Speaker 1: kind of soundscaped sort of like audio journey kind of

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Speaker 1: show in the style of like Radio Lab A little

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Speaker 1: bit um and really proud of it. We've got an

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Speaker 1: episode up now called Broken and that's gonna be dropping wednesdays,

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Speaker 1: UM for eleven episodes. So we're doing another season of that.

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Speaker 1: Um yeah, try that one for sure. That would help

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Speaker 1: me out a lot to hear your thoughts. And you know,

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Speaker 1: actually this this season is a little darker than the

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Speaker 1: last season and it's got a little more of a

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Speaker 1: political angle to it, um with some of the stuff

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Speaker 1: that's been going on in the news right now. Stuff

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Speaker 1: of It's called the Stuff of Life. You can get

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Speaker 1: it on iTunes, uh, Spotify, Stitcher, pretty much all the

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Speaker 1: places and let us know what you think. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it broke my heart. I listened to the first three

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Speaker 1: minutes and fifty seconds and I was crime my eyes

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Speaker 1: out over year while I was trying to edit, probably

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Speaker 1: because you were lacking the sleep. But thank you very much,

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Speaker 1: it is. We did put our our hearts into it,

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Speaker 1: and I got a lot of original music by myself

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Speaker 1: and Dylan Fagan and um a buddy of mine, Tristan McNeil,

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Speaker 1: Liar l y Are. You can find that on Spotify

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Speaker 1: as well. Stuff of Life a sincere heartfelt hug for

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Speaker 1: your ears. It's a heart smart journey into the heart

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Speaker 1: of darkness. Heartily so well. I've got another quick one

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Speaker 1: if that's okay, Uh, shout out to the church of

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Speaker 1: What's happening with Joey Coco Diaz. I learned about this gentleman.

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Speaker 1: He's a comedian. It's been around the block so many

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Speaker 1: times that I don't even I'm not even sure that

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Speaker 1: he knows like what street he's on anymore. He's incredible, hilarious. Um.

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Speaker 1: He has a lot in common with my life from

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Speaker 1: the area in Jersey where he grew up, and he's

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Speaker 1: he's just hilarious. He's been on so many things now,

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Speaker 1: especially the Joe Road the podcast, so check those out

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Speaker 1: for tripod. Let your friends know and let us know

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Speaker 1: what you think. We would love to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: If you have an idea for an upcoming topic that

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Speaker 1: we should cover in this show. If you have any feedback,

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Speaker 1: where suggestions or dare we ask personal experience with the

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Speaker 1: us know. Tell us if you don't want us to

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Speaker 1: use your real name, we'll assign you a really cool

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Speaker 1: So so act now so you can get your your

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