1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks. DJ, Buck 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: back with you, Buck. 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 2: What is going on? 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 3: Man? It's exciting, it's exciting. The football weekend is upon us. 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 3: I mean, we have so many things to talk about, 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 3: but just really excited. I mean we're now in the routine. 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 3: We've gotten kind of our mojo back after kind of 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 3: dealing with the preseason games throwing all different days, but 10 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 3: now we're back and so I just kind of love 11 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,639 Speaker 3: the routine infamilarity of what football season is, particularly when 12 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 3: you have all the seasons going NFL and college. 13 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, And it's fun. With this new format. 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: We've got five episodes a week, so we've really got 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,639 Speaker 1: a ton of content coming your way on a daily basis. Now, 16 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: the Thursday Friday pod is gonna be a little bit shorter, 17 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: but we'd rather do that and give you an extra one. 18 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: So that's what the game plan is. And on today's episode, 19 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: we've got an interesting topic. We're talking about rookie impact 20 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: scores and I'm gonna explain that in just a moment. 21 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: It's something that's brand new that we're rolling out here 22 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: that I'm fired up about as well as we'll get 23 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: into our movie the sixth Game of the Week we're 24 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: looking at and then a article that grabbed both of 25 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: our attention because it's a topic that we've discussed for 26 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: several years now about the dying deep ball. This was 27 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: an article that was written on ESPN dot com. I 28 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: believe it was Brooke Pryor was the author. That did 29 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: a wonderful job. It's a great piece, but it's a 30 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: topic that we have discussed previously, so we're going to 31 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: get to. 32 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 2: That as well. 33 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: But Buck, as we start off here, I want to 34 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: explain this new thing we've got going. Our buddy Jack Andraid, 35 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: who is a researcher to the stars here at the 36 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: NFL Media Group. I presented him with an off season 37 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: challenge that he accepted and put a ton of work into, 38 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: which is trying to find ways we can quantify an 39 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: entire rookie class. You know, we'll do things where we'll 40 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: say these are the top twenty five rookies at the 41 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: quarter mark, halfway mark, you know, end of the season, 42 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: and we'll say, oh, this is the offensive rookie the year, 43 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: this is a defensive rookie of the year. But what 44 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: about on a week by week basis, how much impact 45 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: you're getting from your rookie class, Like who is really 46 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 1: relying the most on these first year players? So there's 47 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: got to be a way to quantify this. So Jack 48 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: has worked all off season and he's looked at previous 49 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: years to see, Okay, this is what the numbers spit out. 50 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: Does this match up kind of with what we saw 51 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: in true impact. So it's a long complicated formula. I 52 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: won't get into explaining all of it, but we're going 53 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: to do this every week where we're going to look 54 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: back just on that last week's games and say, who 55 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: are the team the five teams that got the most 56 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: impact from their rookies. So I mean, to me, I 57 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: think this is a different way to really kind of 58 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: put some numbers with the scouting something that we're always 59 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: trying to combine here. 60 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: We all coming from our background, coming as scouts, we 61 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: are always trying to figure out, one how do you 62 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 3: project college prospects into what they could be or what 63 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 3: they will become at the next level. Well, now this 64 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 3: gives us quantitative data to be able to kind of 65 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: track their progress over time, and as an evaluator, as 66 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: de le is changing, you want to see that these 67 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 3: rookies that we're taking, whether they're high or low draft picks, 68 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 3: undrafted guys, if we put them on the field, they're 69 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 3: impacting the game in a positive way. We know it. 70 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 3: If you can have a collection of young players, young 71 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 3: cheap players playing, it allows you to kind of earmark 72 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 3: your dollars elsewhere for your stars. This gives us an 73 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 3: opportunity to see which classes are playing well, and then 74 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 3: we can kind of speculate how these teams may go 75 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: forward based on the success of their young guys. 76 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: No doubt, it's a great exercise and it just gives 77 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: us something to talk about. So I'm going to give 78 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: you the five players first, just real quick to kind 79 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: of show you how this thing works, and then we're 80 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: going to focus our attention on the teams here. So 81 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: the top five impact scores from Week one of rookies 82 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: that impacted their team the most. Number one was Anthony 83 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: Richardson and the points, you know, kind of irrelevant, but 84 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: that's you know, twenty one point six points. So it's 85 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson number one, b Jeon Robinson number two, Puka 86 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: Nakua number. 87 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: Three, c J. 88 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: Stroud number four, Jordan Addison number five. Now this is 89 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: not just for offensive players. Just so happens in the 90 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: first week that those five offensive guys were the most 91 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: impactful players on their team. All right, Buck, this is 92 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: what I'm fired up about here, because you know that's 93 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: the individuals. You talk about the individual scores, but as 94 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: we look at the team scores, that shows you which 95 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: teams are really getting impact from the rookies. So let's 96 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: talk about these top three teams and that got big time, 97 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: big time contributions from the rookie class. Let's start here 98 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: at number three, which was the Patriots. You know, again, 99 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: they did not win against the Philadelphia Eagles, but they 100 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: had the third biggest impact from the rookies, led by 101 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,239 Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez. Seven tackles, had a TfL, had a pass defense, 102 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: big time, big time corner that kind of fell in 103 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:43,799 Speaker 1: their lap in the first round. 104 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, fell into the lap. And you know, the Patriots 105 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 3: walked away with an ile, but you had to come 106 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 3: away and press with the way that they look I 107 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 3: thought this team looked better than anyone could imagine, considering 108 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 3: maybe the lack of fire pride they had offensively, but 109 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 3: defensively they continued to plug and play and they made 110 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: life very challenging difficult for Jalen Hurts, Christian Zalez, all 111 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 3: the reports coming out of training camp. What we saw 112 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: in pre season was that they felt like they have 113 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 3: a guy who has the potential to be a shutdown corner. 114 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: You throw him into the mix, and in the first 115 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 3: game he didn't disappoint. You talked about the tackles, the 116 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: pass defense, the sticky covers that he provided on the perimeter. 117 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: If you're the New England Patriots, you feel great about 118 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 3: your young pick because he enables you to play the 119 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 3: kind of style that you want to play, which is 120 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 3: a lot of man demand, a lot of in your 121 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: face coverage because Dad is going to give the Patriots 122 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 3: an opportunity to get out of the passes. So it 123 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: was a great job by them. 124 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, a great start for him. 125 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,799 Speaker 1: Marte Mapu one of our favorites out of Sack State. 126 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: He did a nice job getting on the field. Is there, 127 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, kind of hybrid safety linebacker, had a few tackles, 128 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: did a nice job as well. 129 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 2: He factored into. 130 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: Their overall score. 131 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: So they were number three number two on the list. 132 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: I guess shouldn't be a surprise. When you have the 133 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: second and third overall picks, you probably should have some 134 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: impact from those rookies. And that is exactly where the 135 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: Houston Texans found themselves. 136 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: C J. 137 00:05:58,320 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: Stroud throw for two forty two. 138 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: Anderson played really, really well, did some nice things on 139 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. So overall contributions from 140 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: their rookie class pretty impactful. 141 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, very impactful. And you want to see your top 142 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 3: guys make plays right away. Will Anderson was nearly unblockable already, 143 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 3: you know. And it's so funny, DJ and to run 144 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: up to the draft, you kind of like poke holes 145 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 3: and all these players that have been established stars for forsoever, 146 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 3: and then you watched him play and they made plays 147 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: right away. We talked about Will Anderson. We'll talk about 148 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 3: Jayalleen Carter later, but I mean, these guys come right 149 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 3: off the field, we talk about them being good. Will 150 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 3: Anderson made a play, and then c J. Stroud. It 151 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 3: was tough sledding at times. It's kind of challenging. He's 152 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: trying to figure it out. But passing yards, you saw 153 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 3: two hundred and forty two pass yards he made some plays. 154 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 3: This is one where the Texans feel good about their 155 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 3: rookie class because they had big time talent. It's just 156 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 3: a matter of them settling in and playing up to 157 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 3: their potential, no doubt. Then we get to the number 158 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 3: one team on the list, and this is not the 159 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 3: Bill influence. A lot of times if we're talking about 160 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 3: the Packers, it ends up being impacted by the Bill. 161 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 3: He had to have something to do with this. I'm 162 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 3: sure he was pounding poor Jack trying to say, hey man, 163 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 3: there has to be some other guys. It gotta be 164 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: some points. You can find me a couple more points 165 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: behind that. That's some point to push them up, because yeah, 166 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 3: the Packers are at the top of the list, but 167 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 3: it's been a very impressive list of players that made 168 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: contributions in that first game. 169 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, well let's go through them here. Just look at 170 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: some of the rookies that they had. Carl Brooks thirty 171 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: one snaps, had a sack, did a nice job up 172 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: front for them. Lucas van Ness played forty six snaps, 173 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: which again the playtime factors into this formula, had two 174 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: tackles in a sack. Jaden Reid thirty seven snaps. He 175 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: ended up getting forty six receiving yards and had a 176 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: nice punt return or had fifty four punt return yards. 177 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: Luke Musgrave played fifty six snaps, he had fifty receiving yards, 178 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: putting that big one down the field. And then Andrews 179 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: Carlson the kicker, had a field goal and five extra points. 180 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: So all those guys factored in and made an impact. 181 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: And that's why the Green Bay Packers, coming off a 182 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: big win over the Bears, used their rookie in a 183 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: more impactful way than any of the team in the 184 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: league Week one. 185 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: It's part of a theme in Green Bay. If you 186 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 3: go back and you look at this team, you look 187 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: at their defense, they have eight first round picks within 188 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: the two deep depth chart, guys that are potential to 189 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: rotate and make plays. You see that this is a 190 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 3: team that's unafraid to play their young players. So you 191 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 3: talk about five guys, six guys making five guys making contributions. 192 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: Lucas Vaness getting snaps right away, first round pick Luke 193 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 3: Muskray is making plays in the passing game, being able 194 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 3: to get something for Jayden Reed. Remember there are so 195 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 3: many questions and concerns about the receiving corps and they're 196 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: doing it with young guys. Say what you will about 197 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 3: the Green Bay Packers and their philosophy of draft and 198 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 3: develop and put those guys on the field right now, 199 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: just sitting at one and oh, because that philosophy works 200 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: with them, works with this franchise. 201 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. 202 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: And this is something that it's exciting to me when 203 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: you have the combination of the youth and you're winning 204 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: games and you're being productive, Like it's one thing, Hey, 205 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: we gotta look kind of bite our time here. We're 206 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: gonna take our lumps. We're gonna play the young guys. 207 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: Then they're gonna develop and hopefully we have something. But 208 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: this is this is a situation where not only they 209 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: playing the young guys, they're winning with these young guys. 210 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, winning with the young guys. So the standard doesn't 211 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 3: drop and everyone's kind of dismissed the Green Bay Packers, 212 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 3: But this is a team that looks like they may 213 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 3: be able to kind of hang around and get into 214 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 3: the tournament doing it a different way. We'll know more 215 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 3: about them after this week, but they're off to a 216 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 3: solid start because their rookies make contributions right away. 217 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: No doubt. 218 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: Hats off to Brian Gutikins and their personnel department. Nice 219 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: job getting early returns on that rookie class. So again, 220 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: we'll keep up with this on a weekly basis. What 221 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: we might expand it, maybe get to top five, top 222 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: six classes. But first week here, let's you know, let's 223 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: give some kudos here to those three teams, the Packers, 224 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: the Texans, the Patriots for using those young guys and 225 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: watching them do some good things. So good on them. 226 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: It's a very cool, very cool topic that we'll keep 227 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: up with throughout the season. All Right, we're gonna take 228 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: a quick break when we come back, we're gonnaok at 229 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: the biggest game of the week and also so dive 230 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: into this topic on the deep ball and why Ittt's 231 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: disappearing in the NFL. 232 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 3: It's time for the MCS Game of the Week, presented 233 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 3: by DraftKings Sportsbook. This week, the Chiefs are at the Jaguars. 234 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 3: The spread is minus three and a half favoring the Chiefs. 235 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 3: The over under is fifty one. Let's break it down. DJ. 236 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 3: I'm loving this because I'm gonna be on the sideline 237 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 3: on the call for the Jaguars. This is a huge 238 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 3: game for the Jacksonville Jaguars. They lost twice to him 239 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 3: last year. The Chiefs put them out and this is 240 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: one that may be deemed a little bit of a 241 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 3: revenge game. From my vantage point, this is about can 242 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 3: the Jaguars go total toe with a high powered offense. 243 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 3: We can sit here and talk about a defensively they 244 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 3: can hold a score down. I think this is one 245 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 3: that has to be a shootout for the Jacksonville Jaguars 246 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 3: if you look on paper, in my mind, they have 247 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 3: better weapons on the outside. Calvin Ridley, Christian Kirk, you 248 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 3: think about Evan Ingram, j Jones, those guys, I think 249 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 3: they surpass what you have. Travis Kelsey is a monster, 250 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 3: but those other guys, I think the Jaguars have that. 251 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 3: The X factor or the key to it, though, is 252 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 3: the trigger man on the other side. Pat Mahomes, two 253 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 3: time MVP Super Bowl Champion, all the accolades that you 254 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 3: can throw. He understands how to play with lesser thans 255 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 3: and get them to play at a high level. Coming 256 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: off of loss in the opener to Detroit, He's gonna 257 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 3: be on his game. It's a matter of can Trevor 258 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 3: Lawrence match them blow for blow. He has a better 259 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 3: supporting cast, but can he get this team to score 260 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 3: and score and score and make this a track meet 261 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 3: as opposed to a knockdown, drag out heavyweight fight that 262 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,119 Speaker 3: goes four quarters. 263 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: How do you feel about that matchup up front this? 264 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: You know, we talk about the skill players for the Jags, 265 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: and throw Calvin Ridley in there and what he looked 266 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: like last week, and you know the Doug's gonna have 267 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: it schemed up. My question is, with Chris Jones back 268 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: in the mix, what do you feel about this front 269 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: here and how this offensive line matches up? 270 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 3: Well? You know, I know normally on this we would 271 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: be very impartial about the matchup. But here's what I'm 272 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: hoping for. I'm opening Jacksonville that it ends up creeping 273 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 3: up above ninety. Chris Jones hasn't had a lot of 274 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: training camp. I'm hoping that he has to wear that 275 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 3: dark jersey with the sun beating down on him, and maybe, 276 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: just maybe, after a couple snaps, the all Pro disruptive, 277 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 3: number one defensive tackle in the game maybe gets a 278 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 3: little tired and he's not able to be the vintage 279 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 3: Chris Jones that we've seen because when he plays, there's 280 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 3: no one in the league that can block him. And 281 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 3: I'm not going to sit here and say that the 282 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 3: Jaguars can handle him up front, but I'm hoping a 283 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: little rust, a little acclamation period that he hasn't fully had. 284 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 3: He's not vintaged Chris Jones, and that gives the Jaguars 285 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 3: just enough to be able to get the ball out 286 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 3: to perimeter to those playmakers. 287 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, tempo can be a weapon if you're 288 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: looking at from the Jags standpoint, especially you get Chris 289 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: Jones out there, Hey, keep him on the field, Tempo 290 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: them up, try and wear him down. I was actually 291 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: talking to Rashawn Slater with the Chargers and they've gone 292 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: to you know, a lot of tempo Week one with 293 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, and I asked him, you know, how is 294 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: it for you guys. He's like, look, don't pretend like 295 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: we don't get tired. Like, offensively, when you run tempo, 296 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: you get tired, but nothing compared to what happens to them. 297 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: He's like, the pass rush slows down, you can move 298 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: them more in the run game, and when you're doing 299 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: a lot of it, you're doing it on a you 300 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: start doing it on a weekly basis, you're just going 301 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: to be in a different type of cardio shape than 302 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: teams that aren't dealing with tempo. So I think that 303 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: could be a weapon for Jacksonville and this one. My 304 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: thing is, though, you're not going to count on the 305 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: Chiefs dropping a million balls like they did last week. 306 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: That's not going to happen. Mahomes to me. If you 307 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: don't reroute and disrupt the rhythm of this group a 308 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: little bit, you know they can get rolling. So I 309 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: tend to lean towards your original thought, Buck, this is 310 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: going to be a shootout. I don't think they're keeping case, 311 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: you know, under thirty. I think it's going to take 312 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: more than thirty if they're going to win that game. 313 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 3: DJ the million dollar question. If I am the Jaguars 314 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 3: coordinator man or zone, right, normally everyone will say, hey, 315 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 3: we're gonna play zone, we're gonna slow him down and 316 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 3: those things. But what has happened, what has happened in 317 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 3: the past, They will quietly gut you with the running 318 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: game is said Pacheco Isaibaard. Those guys kind of take turns, 319 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 3: kind of get up jack McKinnon. They're kind of take turns, 320 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 3: kind of cutting, and you look up. You're like, man, 321 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 3: they had one hundred and thirty rushing yards under the radar. 322 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 3: You know, to me, if you feel confident that you 323 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 3: can cover them, this is a different unit than the 324 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 3: ones that preceded. Uh, they're a robbal they don't have 325 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill. They may not have the speed and explosiveness 326 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 3: that they've normally had, and that Caadarius Tony's dealing with 327 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 3: the knee. He's not necessarily the same. Maybe you can 328 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 3: lock up and play a little more man. Maybe you 329 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 3: can win on those early downs and forced Pat Mahomes 330 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: into these long yarded situations. Well, now you can dictate 331 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 3: the turns whether I want to play man or zone 332 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 3: on third and long and make Pat Mahomes have to 333 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 3: think more than he's had to think of late because 334 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 3: everyone is just playing that soft umbrella coverage and he 335 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: is very comfortable taking the check down down after down 336 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 3: after down until he gets into the red zone. 337 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 338 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: No, I think it's actually probably a good way here. 339 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: We can segue to it in a little bit here, 340 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: but that's you know, topic we're going to get to 341 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: after this one. About the deep ball and how that's 342 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: being taken away, and I think that kind of started 343 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes. But if we're going to put a 344 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: bow on this one, buck in terms of what you 345 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: think Kansas City needs to do to get off to 346 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: a hot start in this game, because to me, I 347 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: think they can get out and play with the lead. 348 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: That's how their team's built, play with the lead, rush 349 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: the passer. What is the key on the Kansas City 350 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: side in your opinion? 351 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny because if I'm Andy Reid and 352 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 3: I'm thinking about this offense kind of slogging through, the 353 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 3: one thing that it can do is, hey man, let's 354 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 3: click in the pace and put more on Pat mahomes 355 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 3: play in terms of, hey man, let him go, let 356 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 3: him get going, let him get into a rhythm. He 357 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: knows better than anybody on that coach is that what 358 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 3: he needs to get ready. Maybe they play a little quicker, 359 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 3: find a way to get him some layups early because 360 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 3: everyone is scared of that MVP Pat Mahomes, that one 361 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 3: that completes thirty five or forty for four hundred yards. 362 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 3: Let's see if we can get him heated up because 363 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 3: he has that ability much like a Steph Curry. If 364 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 3: he sees it going to bucket early, you in for 365 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 3: a long day. So I'm Andy Reid. I'm trying to 366 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 3: get number fifteen ready and get him off to a 367 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 3: hot start because I know if he gets off to 368 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 3: a hot start, there are not many. 369 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: Teams that can beat us when he's playing at his best, 370 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: no doubt. I think that's a good way to put 371 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: a bowl on that one bucket. 372 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 3: That was the MTS Game of the Week presented by 373 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 3: Draft King Sportsbook. New customers can bet just five dollars 374 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: and get two hundred and bonus bets instantly download the 375 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 3: Draft Kings Sportsbook app and use code MTS. 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We'll get 382 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: to this topic here on the deep Ball. 383 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 3: My takeaway on teams taking away the deep Ball is 384 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 3: it's a copycat league, and once the film circulates around 385 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 3: the league, people are quick to take tactics that have worked. 386 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: I go back to whatever Thursday night where we were 387 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 3: working the Amazon game. It was the Buffalo Bills playing 388 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: the Kansas City Chiefs, and the Buffalo Bills allowed the 389 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 3: Kansaity Chiefs to run for over two hundred I think 390 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 3: it might have been two seventy five on the ground, 391 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: but you look up at the end of the game, 392 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 3: the Buffalo Bills were in a one score game and 393 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 3: they had a chance to win the game. And this 394 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 3: is when we're talking about the Chiefs at their pinnacle, 395 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill playing at a crazy level. Travis Kelsey is unguardable, 396 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 3: Pat Mahomes is playing like a wizard from the pocket. 397 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 3: And from that moment, DJ, we have seen more teams 398 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 3: employee split safety looks, two deep safeties, light boxes, daring 399 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 3: people to run the football. The one thing that I 400 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 3: know in talking to defensive coordinators around the league is 401 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: say running game is a slow death and how many 402 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 3: offensive coordinators are committed to running the football because it 403 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,479 Speaker 3: takes a lot of plays to run the ball at 404 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: the link of the field, we talk about the ball 405 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 3: starting at the twenty yard line. To run the ball 406 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 3: to get eighty yards, ten to twelve plays. The odds 407 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 3: are in the defense's favor that the offense is going 408 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 3: have a penalty, have a mistake, have a turnover that 409 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 3: is going to halt the drive before they get into 410 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 3: the scoring area. More teams are willing to play those 411 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 3: odds and say, a quarterback, we know you got that 412 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 3: big arm, you can throw it over the top. We're 413 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 3: going to take that away and we're gonna day you 414 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: to Nickel and Diamond because you don't have the patience 415 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 3: nor the discipline to stick to that style that is 416 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 3: not really the style that you prefer. 417 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of different layers to this. 418 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: You know, when you think about the two high shelves 419 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: these teams are running. I talked about it for the 420 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: game I had last week, where Chargers will get eight 421 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: yards nine yards on first down and I'd say, okay, 422 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: well maybe they can take a shot here on second one. 423 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: That's kind of a shot tight down in distance. The 424 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: safeties are still in the parking lot. They're like, oh, 425 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,239 Speaker 1: you want to run for four or five yards, get 426 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: the first n knock yourself out. We're not going to 427 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: give up a shot play here. So it's just that 428 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: discipline defensively to stay in that and make you have 429 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: to methodically work down the field and make you, you know, 430 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: be successful in the red zone. Seven's not threes. Like 431 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,959 Speaker 1: That's why to me, I think there's a lot of 432 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: things that now come into discussion. Let we've been talking 433 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: about this for a while. This is a great article. 434 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: I encourage you to read it with some unbelievable quotes 435 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: and explaining this whole thing. Now it's where do you 436 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: go from here? And how does it impact scouting and 437 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: team building? And that's what I want to get to 438 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: because when you look at different positions at quarterback, processing 439 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: has never been more important. Why is it that we're 440 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: seeing guys like Brock Purty you know, have tremendous success 441 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: because now it's that's huge. Look at what Tua is 442 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: doing processing, that's his superpower. I mean, look at Joe 443 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: Burrow and they were able to get vertical until teams 444 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: started putting this shell over them. And it's talked about 445 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: in the article, Joe Burrow's superpower. Processing like that's never 446 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: been at more of a premium than it is right 447 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: now because of the defensive structure to take away deep balls. 448 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: You've got to be able to find guys, get it 449 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: in their hands and get them to run after the catch, 450 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: which gets me to white outs, which is buck I 451 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: don't know. And we've talked about strength before strength, toughness, 452 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: run after catch. That's the forty nine ers and the 453 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: way defenses are playing right now. I think run after 454 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: catch has never been more important than it is right 455 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: now with the white outspot. 456 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 3: Speaking of white us has never been more important than 457 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 3: the current era that we're in in terms of your 458 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 3: ability to catch it on the move and make things happen. 459 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 3: Going all the way back, we've talked about this. I 460 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 3: told you when I played for the Green Bay Packers 461 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 3: and then when I later worked for Disciples of Ron Wolf. 462 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 3: The number one thing that we wanted when it came 463 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 3: to wide receivers outside of the requisites for the position, 464 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 3: we want the guys who have returned skills in their background. 465 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 3: We wanted pump returners, kick returners, guys that had open 466 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 3: field running ability because if you are a returner one, 467 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 3: you got the courage, your fearless when it comes to 468 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 3: being able to move and evade in traffic too. You 469 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 3: have some kind of loosenness that is going to allow 470 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 3: you to turn short games into big games because you're 471 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 3: used to moving through all the traffic. The other thing 472 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 3: that allows you to do is those guys that are 473 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 3: the pump returners, the toughness in terms of, hey man, 474 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 3: you don't catch the ball and just slide. We're trying 475 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: to move and we're trying to turn a five yeard 476 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: game into a twelve yard game. When you mentioned the 477 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 3: San Francisco forty nine, because I think in the last 478 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 3: four years they've been at the top of the league 479 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 3: in terms of yards after catch, well let's just look 480 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 3: at who they have in their wide receiver corp Deebo 481 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 3: Samuel outstanding pump returner and kick returner at South Carolina. 482 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 3: Brandon Nyuk also was good in the return game, So 483 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 3: now you're looking Christian McCaffrey running back excellent in the 484 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 3: return game. So now the magic happens when they get 485 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 3: the ball to these guys in the perimeter. It now 486 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 3: becomes a pump return with fewer people around them. So 487 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,479 Speaker 3: their ability to break a tackle, slip out of tackle, 488 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 3: with the balance and the strength that you're talking about, 489 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 3: it's scary. Tyreek Hill is another one that we can 490 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 3: talk about. So you're seeing more of those guys coming 491 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 3: to the league and DJ. It also coincides with something 492 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 3: that we kind of talked about in the preseason, with 493 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 3: more of these guys beginning to look at pump returners. 494 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 3: We're seeing the side on the perimeter go from a 495 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 3: I want the six three six four wide out two. Hey, 496 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 3: we're kind of coming back down to the six foot 497 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 3: guy who has punt return skills, who looks a little 498 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 3: more like you and I as opposed to the superheroes 499 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 3: like DK Metcalf and others on the perimeter. 500 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think there's another great point that you 501 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: just made there to want to tap into. So because 502 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: of all this, the rushing yards and totals went way 503 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: up last year. So the importance of the run game. 504 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: Now here's here's what I get to you on. So 505 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: you would say, if you're gonna play with two high 506 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: safeties and you're a nickel, the majority of the time 507 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: those teams are that your nickel has to be a 508 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: good tackler, has to be a force player because they're 509 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: going to bring him in. They're not gonna block him 510 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: a lot of times, they're gonna run at him and 511 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: they're going to force him to make the play. It's 512 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: just we're gonna we want little guys to tackle big guys. 513 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: It's kind of football one oh one. So they're gonna 514 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: make him a forced player and they're gonna make him 515 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: have to make tackle. So here's the dilemma. 516 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 2: You need. 517 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: You need a nickel who's big enough to be the 518 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: force player and be a reliable tackler so you don't 519 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: get gouged in the run game. But now you're going 520 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: to ask him to run around and mirror your little 521 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: slot receiver who's quick as a cat, who you've talked 522 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: about as a punt returner, and is so elusive and 523 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: explosive that now has become one of the more difficult 524 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: positions to find somebody that has those two abilities to 525 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: force the run and to be able to slow down 526 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: and tackle on space against some of these athletes. 527 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is one of the things, like being able 528 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 3: to tackle in space bigger bodies in terms of like 529 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 3: thicker bodies, Debo Samuel is a different animal on the perimeter. 530 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 3: You look at him, Oh he's five to eleven, but 531 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 3: he's two hundred and fifteen pounds, So you have to 532 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 3: physically thump him. You can't ankle by him, you can't 533 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 3: roll tackle. Your guys in the secondary have to be 534 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 3: great tacklers. And if you have a weak link out 535 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 3: the end the secondary, the ball is ultimately going to 536 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 3: find him and you're going to be mad that on 537 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 3: the crossing road. The should be a seven yard game. 538 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 3: It goes down the sideline for eighty because your guy 539 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 3: couldn't tackle. It's important. Also, let's talk about this because 540 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 3: you talked about the running game in the past. What 541 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 3: used to happen is the running game would dictate how 542 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 3: teams would play you. From a coverage standpoint. If you 543 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 3: had a successful run. After a while, defensive coordinates say, 544 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 3: hey man, we can't stop the run. We got to 545 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 3: drop a guy in the box. Now you can't necessarily 546 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 3: get it just by the production on the ground. Did 547 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 3: you remember how many tight ends we saw get drafted. 548 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 3: Why are we seeing more tight ends? Because when you 549 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 3: put multiple tight ends on the field, some of those 550 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 3: too high looks you can't do because you have a 551 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 3: soft egg bigger. 552 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: You gotta get bigger bodies out there. 553 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 3: You got to get bigger bodies. You can't play too 554 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 3: high because one of those edges are weaker, so hey, 555 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 3: we might want to go more twelve, more thirteen personnels. 556 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 3: So now I lure you're into the box so I 557 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 3: can get and manufacture the home run shots on the outside. 558 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: Which gets me to the Jets. Like, from what we 559 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: talked about the beginning of the week, how is Zach 560 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: Wilson going to be successful? How are the Jets going 561 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: to navigate life without Aaron Rodgers. They're going to do it, 562 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: like you just said, they're going to get in twelve 563 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: and thirteen personnel. I think they should lead the league 564 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: in thirteen personnel this year and say, Okay, we're gonna 565 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 1: get you where you're not. You're comfortable in that too, 566 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: You're not playing that structure against us, And guess what 567 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: if we can get you blocked up. We've eliminated a 568 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: layer of the defense, and you're gonna see Breese Hall 569 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: and Dalvin Cook. That's where our explosives are gonna come from. 570 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 3: Okay, this wasn't on the pot, but now since we've 571 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 3: kind of made that thing off the deep ball, here's 572 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 3: what I'm gonna say about everyone who is like raining 573 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 3: the parade on the New York Jests. Pause on that 574 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 3: they still can win with Zach Wilson, it just requires 575 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: them to do it a different way. You talked about 576 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 3: big boy personnel on the field, multiple tight ends, and 577 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 3: they have good tight ends. You talked about the running 578 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 3: game Breese hal and Dalmn Cook. That two headed monster 579 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 3: can be a problem in terms of, Okay, you can 580 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 3: send that to us Shell because you don't want Zach cool. 581 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 3: We'll just run it forty times and we'll bust them. 582 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 3: The other part of what you're talking about with twelve 583 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 3: and thirteen personnel, Gary Wilson's one of the best route 584 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 3: runners I've seen going all the way back to when 585 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 3: I was in Kansas City. When I in Kansas City, 586 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 3: people may not remember us. Joe Horn was the Z 587 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 3: receiver when we would go twelve personnel or twenty two personnel, 588 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 3: two backs, two tight ends. With Joe Horn out there, 589 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 3: he and Tony Gonzalez, Tony Gonzalez at tight end, Joe 590 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 3: Herne out They're running all kinds of like two man 591 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 3: routes creating problems. If Nathaniel Hackett wants to, he can 592 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 3: create big play opportunities for Garrett Wilson by having them 593 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 3: on isolation routes. Opposite the heavy formations and say, what 594 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 3: are you gonna do. You're gonna double team Garrett Wilson. Cool, 595 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 3: We're gonna run the ball to the front side all day. 596 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 3: There's a way for offensive coordinators to create the deep ball, 597 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 3: the big play opportunities, but it requires personnel match us 598 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 3: more so than just a philosophical approach. You have to 599 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 3: have the big bodies, the personnel to make people get 600 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: out of that too high shell. As opposed to, Oh, 601 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 3: we're just gonna run it and they're naturally gonna drop them. 602 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 3: You're gonna have to formation them to get them out 603 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 3: of that too too deep look so you can have 604 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 3: the shots. 605 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 606 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: No, I think it's interesting, man, I think it's a 607 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 1: fascinating discussion. But it's again great article. Go check that 608 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: out on ESPN dot com. Broock prior to a wonderful job, 609 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: So shout out to her. Good work there. All right, Buck, 610 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us today. Man, this is 611 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: a fun one. We've got one more episode coming your 612 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: way tomorrow where we'll dig into a little bit of 613 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: what's going on this weekend, So be on the lookout 614 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: for that. 615 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: I did see. 616 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: We've got a few more ratings and reviews. We appreciate 617 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: you doing that for us. 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I feel like it's one of 627 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 3: the things that we've talked about, but now that it 628 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 3: is getting more attention, allows us to add a little 629 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 3: more perspective to what everyone in the league is talking 630 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 3: about when it comes to defending the deep ball and 631 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 3: why some of the air yards and the passing numbers 632 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 3: have going down despite the league passing more as a 633 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 3: pass happy league. 634 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: No doubt, fun discussion. We'll have plenty more of those 635 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: coming your way here. We appreciate you hanging with us, 636 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: and we'll catch you next time. 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