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Speaker 1: episode three hundred and fifteen of Films to be Buried With. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Films to be Buried With. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Goldstein, and I'm enjoined today by a podcaster,
Speaker 1: a rapper, an art rapper and anime trauma and divorcer,
Speaker 1: a freestyler, a wrestling fan, a twitcher, a hero, a legend.
Speaker 1: There's nothing he hasn't done, and nothing he won't do.
Speaker 1: And here he is. Please welcome to the show. He's
Speaker 1: right in front of me. Now he's open my kegle.
Speaker 2: Hey, I agree with everything you said, except for that
Speaker 2: last part. I think there's a bunch of stuff I
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't do.
Speaker 1: Tell me give me the let's go.
Speaker 2: Toilet stuff. That's a big one. I won't do toilet stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, God, look at us bunding already so
Speaker 1: much in comment. I won't do toilet stuff. Sorry.
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you just you got to learn when
Speaker 2: to say no. And my no begins to toilet stuff,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even want toilets anywhere there. You know
Speaker 1: what in the olden days when they had outhouses where
Speaker 1: people just go to toilet in the garden, like that
Speaker 1: seems to me very smart, Like why do we bring
Speaker 1: them inside? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do, I do see, I see the pros
Speaker 2: and cons of it. I do think the plumbing is
Speaker 2: nice to have it's nice to have the pipes. They
Speaker 2: go from inside of your house to out, but.
Speaker 1: I think the out one should have the pipes right
Speaker 1: in the out right.
Speaker 2: It's just that you you need, we need more of
Speaker 2: a robust piping system than what we currently have. We
Speaker 2: currently we're not set up for pipes to be in
Speaker 2: the outhouse.
Speaker 1: I think it's a simple switch. And I know there's
Speaker 1: an awful lot of important stuff that people are sort
Speaker 1: of fighting for at the moment, but I feel like
Speaker 1: this should go to the top of the list. Now.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you want to start the start
Speaker 2: the anti toilet stuff political party, you've got my vote.
Speaker 1: Has pipers anyway, open my keyGo. It's very nice to
Speaker 1: me you nice to meet you too. The producer at
Speaker 1: this show, Buddy Piece, one of the all time greats.
Speaker 1: He is absolutely obsessed with you.
Speaker 2: I love Buddy Peace.
Speaker 1: He has been talking about you for years. I would
Speaker 1: say he's probably outside your window right now.
Speaker 2: I think that would be difficult for him to because
Speaker 2: my window is right here, hie. So he'd have to
Speaker 2: be very like, very small, like how people in old
Speaker 2: cartoons used to wait for a pie under the windowsill,
Speaker 2: and it just be tucked under the ledge. That's how
Speaker 2: he'd have to be very small, tucked under the ledge
Speaker 2: for me not to see.
Speaker 1: That's such a great image. And I've not thought about
Speaker 1: how often how often pies must have been put in
Speaker 1: window sills that people cartoons would think buying out here.
Speaker 2: Sooner or later? Yeah, sooner later, there'll be a pie.
Speaker 2: You don't know what's in it, you know, Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: gonna be a pie. And you'd be risking it all
Speaker 2: because the pie is there, because it has to cool.
Speaker 2: But if you're gonna steal it, you're not gonna wait
Speaker 2: for it to cool.
Speaker 1: Now, you're burning your hands immediately, you burning your.
Speaker 2: Handsact, And I guess that's how you find your thief.
Speaker 2: You look for the guy with the burned hands and mouth.
Speaker 1: And screaming as they run and plow their face into
Speaker 1: a pie. Yeah, you've been touring, correct, true of folks,
Speaker 1: this is true, This is true. How has it been?
Speaker 1: Do you love touring?
Speaker 2: Up and down? Actually? I like performing. I love doing
Speaker 2: the shows. The travel is mean. The travel is mean.
Speaker 2: It's mean, and it's like I've just come to realize
Speaker 2: how lucky I am to survive every day of the
Speaker 2: travel because we literally take our lives into our hands,
Speaker 2: going Like, first of all, being in a different city
Speaker 2: every day is highly unnatural. It's very strange. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then the rigors of actually doing that, taking your physical
Speaker 2: body and moving it to a different city every day,
Speaker 2: you can't help but be courting death, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I agree with that early escaping it. I've been touring.
Speaker 2: Have you have you found yourself? Like, do you have routines?
Speaker 2: Do you have things that make it less what's the
Speaker 2: word chaotic?
Speaker 1: Or less? Like? Fuck, I'm in a new players got anything? Like?
Speaker 1: Do you have like regular things you do or have
Speaker 1: with you to try and make it feel more normal.
Speaker 2: One thing that I've begun bringing with me and now
Speaker 2: I have to remember to actually use them is I
Speaker 2: bring like I bring like slippers in my luggage. So
Speaker 2: and the idea is this, and I've done it a
Speaker 2: couple of times, but I don't remember to do it
Speaker 2: all the time. Is that like I am going to
Speaker 2: get up too early in the morning and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get that risky hotel breakfast and I'm going to drink
Speaker 2: lots of lobby coffee. And the thought is I don't
Speaker 2: need a full pair of shoes to do all of that.
Speaker 2: You know, I can do that with with a pair
Speaker 2: of slides on. There's plenty of people down there with
Speaker 2: slides on. I can just be one of the people.
Speaker 2: I don't have to be because I just I pretty
Speaker 2: much like dress like I'm on stage all the time. Yes,
Speaker 2: So if I have a little pair of slides a
Speaker 2: little pair of basketball shorts, you know, it's just casual
Speaker 2: around the hotel.
Speaker 1: Slippers like actually like slippers from the Victorian era. I
Speaker 1: forgot slippers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know if slippers is the right word,
Speaker 2: because I feel like those the sort of slippers I'm
Speaker 2: now thinking about. I'd have to be wearing like a
Speaker 2: stocking cap to match those.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking that they've got bells on the end,
Speaker 1: like an el.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I'm not confident enough to get away with that.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know if I could pull it off.
Speaker 2: But just like a nice pair of slides.
Speaker 1: That's the sort of Timothy Timothy Shallo may on a
Speaker 1: red carpet could probably get away with slippers with a
Speaker 1: bells on.
Speaker 2: You can do whatever he wants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, good luck to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll cheer him from afar.
Speaker 1: So you take slippers. Anything else do you have, like
Speaker 1: do you have tell you what I want to know.
Speaker 1: Do you have like superstition before you go on stage?
Speaker 1: Do you have a routine pre show?
Speaker 2: No, I don't have necessarily a routine. But I'll tell
Speaker 2: you this, and at the risk of you know too
Speaker 2: much information, I'll say that I've learned it's very important
Speaker 2: that you make the time to take a pre show poop.
Speaker 2: It's very important, you know, Like it sounds like you know,
Speaker 2: remember we're anti toilet stuff in house.
Speaker 1: Are you doing this big?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I think you have to use whatever
Speaker 2: facility is are available. But I have found a hack too,
Speaker 2: because oftentimes after a long drive you don't necessarily get
Speaker 2: a chance to go to the hotel to use a
Speaker 2: nice private facility. But the venue before doors, like right
Speaker 2: after sound check, before doing this, it's a ghost town.
Speaker 2: It's a ghost town. You know. You get a nice,
Speaker 2: big stall all to yourself. You know, it's it's it's
Speaker 2: not the worst, it's not the worst.
Speaker 1: So you're leaving, you're leaving a little something for the
Speaker 1: audience as they file in.
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully I don't hopefully I don't leave anything if
Speaker 2: I do, I will think about it positively like that.
Speaker 2: But they in the ideal case, there's no evidence that
Speaker 2: I've been in that room at all.
Speaker 1: But if there is, it's thrilling for the audience that
Speaker 1: he's been out here.
Speaker 2: He came in lowly well, But then i'd have to
Speaker 2: leave some sort of signal lo it. I'd have to
Speaker 2: put some symbol so that they would know where it
Speaker 2: came from if somebody came in the Okay, so bells, bells,
Speaker 2: bells is the theme, Bells on the slippers, bells on
Speaker 2: the poop.
Speaker 1: On the poop. Yeah, do you ever find when you're touring,
Speaker 1: you're doing your show and you're on the thirtieth fortieth
Speaker 1: show ever? Particularly so, forgive me for not knowing this.
Speaker 1: Your show isn't comedy, right, It's only music. It's only music,
Speaker 1: a bit of it. Okay.
Speaker 2: I mean we throw we throw levity in there, for sure,
Speaker 2: but we would certainly wouldn't build it as a comedy show.
Speaker 1: Okay. I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that maybe later on in
Speaker 1: your tour you might occasionally be like, fuck this song
Speaker 1: does that happen? And how do you what's your trick
Speaker 1: to kind of get back into it in a way
Speaker 1: that feels fresh or at least connected.
Speaker 2: When I find myself resistant to a song that I
Speaker 2: know we're going to perform is when I am in
Speaker 2: the midst of performing the song. I tried to remind
Speaker 2: myself why I wrote the words that I'm saying in
Speaker 2: order to give because I feel like that opens me
Speaker 2: up to infuse the lyrics with a with a bit
Speaker 2: of emotion that might not be there because I've done
Speaker 2: it so many times.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: If I can remember that there was a reason why
Speaker 2: I wrote Trooper to rhyme with Pooper, you know, if
Speaker 2: I can remember the reason, then it doesn't just you know,
Speaker 2: then it's not just coming out of me. By wrote,
Speaker 2: I'm actually given given something, even something that I don't
Speaker 2: uh naturally have in that moment.
Speaker 1: How often, if ever, have you found yourself going, I
Speaker 1: can't remember why I write this, don't know that's happened.
Speaker 2: That's happened. I've I've often I've also remembered why and
Speaker 2: realized that it still wasn't a good idea, like oh this, this, this,
Speaker 2: these lyrics were a mistake. I've definitely been there as well.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting, Yeah, I used to. I had a joke
Speaker 1: in my routine that I would do pretty much every show.
Speaker 1: It was a short joke and I won't repeat it,
Speaker 1: but it would always get a laugh, and it was
Speaker 1: kind of like a safe one, like if ever I
Speaker 1: was in trouble, i'd pull this joke out. And after
Speaker 1: a while I was like, I don't even understand this joke.
Speaker 1: I don't remember I don't remember writing it, and I
Speaker 1: don't know why it's funny. And I know it's funny,
Speaker 1: like it sounds funny, like I could the sort of
Speaker 1: rhythm of it is funny, but I'd be like, every
Speaker 1: time they'd laugh, I'd sometimes want to go, what are
Speaker 1: you laughing? I don't get this anymore?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's very good, that's very good. I imagine that
Speaker 2: if I did comedy, I would have those sorts of
Speaker 2: moments I would forget why I started doing something, yeah,
Speaker 2: and why it works.
Speaker 1: Particularly when you're inspired by something really small and random
Speaker 1: that happens, and then it becomes this huge routine and
Speaker 1: then in a year's time you're like, why am I
Speaker 1: fucking what the fuck is this bit? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Why have I followed this thread so far? Anyway? Interesting.
Speaker 1: What are you up to at the moment? Have you
Speaker 1: got a new album, a new project? What are you
Speaker 1: working on?
Speaker 2: So, me and a couple of buddies of mine we
Speaker 2: started a rap group called Previous Industries, and we put
Speaker 2: out an album at the end of June. So that's
Speaker 2: what we've been touring. We toured that for the last
Speaker 2: couple of weeks and then we have some more dates
Speaker 2: for that tour in a little in a month.
Speaker 1: Great month. Yeah, open my ego. I've forgotten to tay
Speaker 1: you something. Fuck. I should have told you upfront. Actually,
Speaker 1: because we've never met, we don't know each other. It's
Speaker 1: it's I hope you're going to take this, okay, but
Speaker 1: I should have said it.
Speaker 2: In my butthole's tightening up as as you speak.
Speaker 1: You know you've died.
Speaker 2: You're dead, Okay, this is this has happened to me
Speaker 2: and I you know. Okay. So I have a small
Speaker 2: amount of experience with with doing stand up and in
Speaker 2: one of the three jokes that I used to tell
Speaker 2: in one of the three, I died in the joke
Speaker 2: do you want to?
Speaker 1: Can you? I wouldn't. I would never make take some
Speaker 1: of these down up. But I'm sort of curious as
Speaker 1: to the content.
Speaker 2: Well man, so he set up this was a story
Speaker 2: and I won't tell the whole story, but the crux
Speaker 2: of it is I was at my son's birthday party.
Speaker 2: This is when he was small, he was maybe turning
Speaker 2: four or five years old. I had a show the
Speaker 2: night before, so I was kind of hungover. He had
Speaker 2: a superhero themed birthday party. So I was wearing this
Speaker 2: Batman mask with my regular clothes. Like I said, it
Speaker 2: was hungover. It was in the afternoon. I needed a
Speaker 2: second when I desperately needed coffee. So I looked and
Speaker 2: there happened to be around the corner from where this
Speaker 2: party was. There was this coffee shop. But in the
Speaker 2: coffee shop there's a bunch of books around and they're weird.
Speaker 2: I asked the person behind the counter for coffee, and
Speaker 2: they kind of looked at me like I'm crazy, Like, oh,
Speaker 2: I got to make some coffee. I'm like, well, that's
Speaker 2: that's what it says on the on the sign there,
Speaker 2: he's got his daughter behind the counter doing homework, and
Speaker 2: I realize this is a Christian coffee shop. The entire
Speaker 2: thing is very religious. All of these books around the
Speaker 2: Christian books. For some reason, they wanted a Christian coffee shop.
Speaker 2: I put all this together, so I start to feel
Speaker 2: a little better. I sit down. I pick up in
Speaker 2: LA Weekly. When they used to have those, and I
Speaker 2: don't know if they still have those. Please have LA Weeklies.
Speaker 2: I picked up the La Weekly and I opened it
Speaker 2: to a random page, and on that random page it
Speaker 2: was a picture of me. It was like reviewing an
Speaker 2: album I put out at the time or something, but
Speaker 2: I had no idea. And that's when I had become
Speaker 2: very sure that I had died. Oh fuck, it was
Speaker 2: right there in that moment. But that's you know, then
Speaker 2: there's more to it. But the punchline of the joke
Speaker 2: is that all of this happens, everybody in this place
Speaker 2: is treating me strangely, and I figured it's because I'm
Speaker 2: out of place. But then it dawns on me. I
Speaker 2: forgot that I was wearing a Batman mask this entire time,
Speaker 2: And that's a true store.
Speaker 1: That's fucking great. But I like that how did you die?
Speaker 1: You get to choose how you died?
Speaker 2: Okay. My first instinct is to say peacefully in my
Speaker 2: sleep some way where I don't experience it at all.
Speaker 1: I'm afraid that I don't believe in that, and I
Speaker 1: think that's the story your family would tell. But but
Speaker 1: something would have.
Speaker 2: Happened, Okay, all right, all right, all right. So I've
Speaker 2: had a massive heart attack and stomach rupture and an
Speaker 2: aneurysm and now you're talking, yeah, and spontaneous testical explosion.
Speaker 1: All it was, Oh Jesus.
Speaker 2: That's all the stuff that happened. But yes, they will
Speaker 2: say I went peacefully in the night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're definitely saying that after the old Testical incident.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, and no reason. No one knows why you st
Speaker 1: willed it.
Speaker 2: I would call it an acute receipt from all that
Speaker 2: bad choices I ever made. But they all just converged
Speaker 2: in a moment.
Speaker 1: Mh. You know, do you worry about death?
Speaker 2: No? Not really? So Okay, I have lived what I
Speaker 2: consider to be a charmed life. I have gotten to
Speaker 2: literally live a handful of my dreams. And sometimes I
Speaker 2: find myself thinking there's nowhere to go but down, like,
Speaker 2: like the only thing that's remaining is if, like I
Speaker 2: could get rich, right, and and that doesn't appear like
Speaker 2: it's gonna happen. But that's like the last thing that
Speaker 2: I fantasized about when I was a kid that I
Speaker 2: never got to do was be rich. And my choices, remember,
Speaker 2: with the choices that are all converged to cause my
Speaker 2: instant death a moment ago, most of those, most of
Speaker 2: the choices I made were away from money. If I
Speaker 2: really think about them, they weren't toward money. They were
Speaker 2: away they were toward critical acclaim. They were toward autistic expression. Yeah,
Speaker 2: artistic expression towards every independent cultural victory a person can have.
Speaker 2: But they weren't towards money. So rich riches don't seem
Speaker 2: to be around the corner. And because I feel like
Speaker 2: I've gotten so much out of life, I'm not worried
Speaker 2: about it. I worry about the pain for my family,
Speaker 2: you know, like I worry about avoid being left behind
Speaker 2: and grief and.
Speaker 1: All that, especially when they hear how you died. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be very upset.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have to clean that up, you know, it'll
Speaker 2: be it'll be a grizzly scene. Grizzly.
Speaker 1: Do you what do you think happens after you die?
Speaker 1: Do you think there's a heaven? I do not reincarnation,
Speaker 1: I do not.
Speaker 2: I think that our consciousness joins some source of consciousness,
Speaker 2: some some consciousness massive that it returns to. So we've
Speaker 2: become part of some all knowing, maybe extra dimensional thing
Speaker 2: that ends up being confined to this plane while we're
Speaker 2: in these bodies. I think the entire concept of individuality
Speaker 2: or an I you know, I think all that goes
Speaker 2: away and you just become part of or what was
Speaker 2: you what you would think of as you becomes part
Speaker 2: of the conscious, the whatever mass of stuff that consciousness is.
Speaker 1: I like that. Well it's true. But on the way,
Speaker 1: you make a stop in heaven, and heaven's filled with
Speaker 1: your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 2: Let me know if this counts. Okay, I think my
Speaker 2: favorite thing is laughing. I think that maybe my favorite thing.
Speaker 1: It counts. Yeah, it counts. You you walk into heaven,
Speaker 1: it's like a fucking madhouse. It's just laughing. Everyone's laughing, laughing, laughing.
Speaker 2: I mean that would be tiring. Yeah, well, yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1: Your bolls just explaining your.
Speaker 2: Looking down and laughing, just looking down.
Speaker 1: And everyone's very excited to see you. Opened my keys.
Speaker 1: They're all big fans, but they won't know about your life.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't know about it through the medium of film.
Speaker 1: And the first thing that all these laughing mad people
Speaker 1: ask you, so, what's the first film that you I'm seeing.
Speaker 2: My coming to America shop, that fast film. That's the
Speaker 2: first one. That is the first movie I remember seeing
Speaker 2: in a movie theater.
Speaker 1: Wow. What great.
Speaker 2: So I may have seen movies before that on television.
Speaker 2: Oh right, because I saw Rocky two before that. I
Speaker 2: remember that I saw Rocky two in a big room
Speaker 2: full of other kids. But that was a weird situation.
Speaker 2: It was kind of culty. It's a little bit of
Speaker 2: a cult, a little bit of a compound type situation.
Speaker 2: I was in. Go yeah my mom. My mom had
Speaker 2: a few interesting off ramps in her life. A couple
Speaker 2: of them involved communes, and I remember very early memories
Speaker 2: of one where I remember on a television we watched
Speaker 2: Rocky two. We watched WrestleMania two. I don't even know
Speaker 2: how we got that. We watched a lot of Alfred
Speaker 2: Hitchcock presents and entails from the Dark Side, and I
Speaker 2: was like five. I don't know why these were the things,
Speaker 2: but I mean, you know, we have four channels back then,
Speaker 2: so there wasn't too much you could do. There wasn't
Speaker 2: too much you could do.
Speaker 1: Do you have siblings?
Speaker 2: I have two half siblings.
Speaker 1: Are you Are you the oldest, are you younger younger?
Speaker 2: I am the oldest. My sister is two years younger
Speaker 2: and my brother is twelve years younger.
Speaker 1: So when you saw coming to America, you with your sister.
Speaker 2: I don't remember if she was there. I remember that
Speaker 2: my mom was there. I don't remember who else was there.
Speaker 2: My sister may have been, but she may not have been.
Speaker 1: Do you think you loved it? Do you remember loving it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I remember laughing a whole lot, especially at the
Speaker 2: naughty bits that I knew I had no business seeing.
Speaker 2: Said the Royal penis is clean. I couldn't contain myself.
Speaker 2: It holds up that film up was very good, holds
Speaker 2: up very good. Did you see the new one?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 2: Oh boy, that one. That one had some troubles. That
Speaker 2: has some troubles. And I love there's people who I
Speaker 2: know and love, but that movie has some troubles.
Speaker 1: It looks like everyone's having a very nice time.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a movie where it look like
Speaker 2: everyone was having a bad time? Yes, okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I'd like to see that, whatever it is, I want
Speaker 2: to see it. Well, I think Apocalypse Now wasn't fun? Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Shining maybe? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well is the film that scared you the mist Do
Speaker 1: you like being scared?
Speaker 2: I hate being scared, and it's the extor system. Wow? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I do not like a scary movie and the extra system.
Speaker 2: Like I still can get chills thinking about scenes in
Speaker 2: that movie. It disturbed me. That's another movie I remember
Speaker 2: saying when I was very small.
Speaker 1: Why do you think you don't like horror films?
Speaker 2: Because I have enough challenges dealing with my emotions in life,
Speaker 2: Like just the emotions that life gives me. There's enough
Speaker 2: bad ones, there's enough challenging ones. So like, to me,
Speaker 2: the idea of having my nervous system shrinking, it's not fun.
Speaker 2: It's not fun activity to me, I would like to
Speaker 2: avoid that.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough. What's the film that made you
Speaker 1: cry the most? Are you a crier?
Speaker 2: I have cried in a film, Unfortunately. The film that
Speaker 2: I remember crying the most app is American Beauty. That's interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know. Why do you think it made you cry
Speaker 2: so much? There was something depicted in that movie about
Speaker 2: like what it means to be alive and like specifically
Speaker 2: the scene, Oh, I forgot the lady. She's such a
Speaker 2: great actor and a net betting. Yes, the guy has
Speaker 2: died and she has come home after knowing he has died,
Speaker 2: and she opens a closet and she sees his clothes
Speaker 2: and she just fucking falls apart. Dad, shit cut right
Speaker 2: through me. That shit rezonated.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I like that. I like that. That's your answer.
Speaker 1: I think people are very down on that film, but
Speaker 1: I think it was well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know.
Speaker 1: It has a complicated story now, but I think.
Speaker 2: Because he's he's done things, it made it difficult to
Speaker 2: deal with his work. Yeah, but I do think that
Speaker 2: was an amazing movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 2: But then again, also I'm remembering the underage girl subplot
Speaker 2: of it, which is probably also also complicated in today's
Speaker 2: Overton window. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a complicated watch these days.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I kind of forgot about that part, but yeah.
Speaker 1: It was kind of It's also one of those films
Speaker 1: that I'm sure I've mentioned it on here before, but
Speaker 1: like where it's a victim of its success in that
Speaker 1: I think so many things then copied it or emulated
Speaker 1: it that it became cliche and you watch it and
Speaker 1: it's annoying, But like, there was a time when a
Speaker 1: plastic bag being flighting in the wind being told that's
Speaker 1: my speaking for him. Yeah, so it wasn't annoying. True.
Speaker 2: You're so right, because there was a time in the
Speaker 2: late nineties early two thousands were like, there were these
Speaker 2: ideas in cinema that were, you know, these grounded stories
Speaker 2: that would have these postmodern sorts of philosophical bits, and
Speaker 2: it felt revelatory in the moment because you weren't used
Speaker 2: to seeing stuff like that. But yeah, I think you're
Speaker 2: correct that now you would think that was the corniest
Speaker 2: thing you ever saw if somebody did the plastic back thing.
Speaker 1: Now, what is a film that you love? Critics don't
Speaker 1: like it, most people don't like it, but you love it.
Speaker 1: You don't care what they say.
Speaker 2: Mmm, that's a great question. Geeesh, wow. Oh, there's a
Speaker 2: Spike Lee movie called Bamboozled.
Speaker 1: I love Bambas. Yo, it's a great answer.
Speaker 2: What a movie.
Speaker 1: That's a great answer because it was not liked at all.
Speaker 2: And to me that and I guess that's part of
Speaker 2: why it was an easy answer once I thought of it.
Speaker 2: Because to me, it made sense that critics never got it,
Speaker 2: because I think he was trying to say something stuff
Speaker 2: in that that was like real intra communal stuff. It
Speaker 2: wasn't easily parsed out by people who don't exist within
Speaker 2: Black American culture, especially Black American entertainers. I mean, and
Speaker 2: honestly a bunch of people in the culture probably didn't
Speaker 2: get it. Yeah, but I just love the conversation that
Speaker 2: that movie was attempting to have. I love it, and
Speaker 2: I never saw nothing else like it.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Spike Lee and one of
Speaker 1: the reason I love Spake Lee is I think he
Speaker 1: for a filmmaker that's been around for a while and
Speaker 1: done lots of things, he fucking consistently takes big swings
Speaker 1: like he does he makes bad films, he makes great films,
Speaker 1: and he makes weird films, and it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: and like he'll always take a swing. And when I
Speaker 1: was I lived in what I say I lived, I
Speaker 1: stayed in New York for a few months one year,
Speaker 1: and I was very obsessed with films. And anyway, She
Speaker 1: Hate Me came out, which was a Spike and I
Speaker 1: think it got like zero percent of Rock twice and
Speaker 1: I was like, this be it's a Spike Lee film.
Speaker 1: And I went to see it and I loved it
Speaker 1: because it was like three hours and it was completely mad,
Speaker 1: but it had so many ideas in it, and half
Speaker 1: of those ideas were really great and half of them
Speaker 1: didn't work. But I was like, this is a guy
Speaker 1: who's a legend just swinging swinging, swinging, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, I was like, that's so cool. He's
Speaker 1: fucking great. It was after Malcolm X, you know, I'd
Speaker 1: done amazing work and then he was out there going like,
Speaker 1: let's try this fucking thing, which half works. And I
Speaker 1: think part of me is like why people got mad
Speaker 1: at it is because it's like, because it's Spike Lee,
Speaker 1: you should be you shouldn't be doing silly stuff, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like he's cool, he is interesting because one thing that
Speaker 2: I'm always curious about, and you know, you being in
Speaker 2: TV and film, I wonder what your perspective one it is,
Speaker 2: But I'm often curious how there is this spectrum of
Speaker 2: what can come out of a film project where you
Speaker 2: have and you know, this visionary director, oh his head,
Speaker 2: big hits critical acclaim knows exactly what he's doing. I'm
Speaker 2: so curious, like how the bad movie happens, Like oh yeah,
Speaker 2: like what what part of the equation that you know
Speaker 2: it is missing from what was before or added or
Speaker 2: like you know, like what what what?
Speaker 1: How is that possible? Well, I'll tell you how it's
Speaker 1: possible if you've never done it. Is that a competent
Speaker 1: film is a miracle, like a film that gets made
Speaker 1: is a miracle, and a good film is fucking is
Speaker 1: a double rainbow unicorns in because there are so many
Speaker 1: steps along the way where it can be fucked up.
Speaker 1: For example, you might have the perfect class, you might
Speaker 1: have the perfect script, you might have the perfect director,
Speaker 1: but the studio might be Dick's and they cut stuff
Speaker 1: that you don't have final cut and they take stuff away.
Speaker 1: Or the soundtrack is awful and it doesn't support the
Speaker 1: film that you shot and you're stuck with this music
Speaker 1: is run out of money for you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like there's so many every time you make something and
Speaker 1: you feel good about it, it's like script good, I
Speaker 1: feel good. Then you do the shoot. If you manage
Speaker 1: to get through this shoot and feel good about it,
Speaker 1: that's great. Then you get into the edit, and then
Speaker 1: it's like oh, and then there's marketing, and then there's
Speaker 1: fucking yeah you're bringing in it. That I've found in
Speaker 1: my experience, the composer part so far in my career
Speaker 1: has been the hardest part for me. And I think
Speaker 1: it's because they always come to the project so late,
Speaker 1: and you've been with this thing for so long, and
Speaker 1: then they're putting music on it, and it's so different.
Speaker 1: You've watched it so many times and suddenly there's music
Speaker 1: on it, and so it's like it's now completely different
Speaker 1: with this music, and if it doesn't feel right to you,
Speaker 1: that can be like, oh fuck, this is fuck. And
Speaker 1: I'm not a musician, so I find it difficult to
Speaker 1: communicate like what it is I'm trying to get looking
Speaker 1: for you, and it's difficult because they've just brought you
Speaker 1: this thing and it's brand new, so in a way,
Speaker 1: you're trying to communicate emotionally like I want it to
Speaker 1: feel like you know what I mean. Anyway, there's a
Speaker 1: million reasons.
Speaker 2: And then at the end of the day day right like,
Speaker 2: it's all a bunch of negotiations, and negotiations are all
Speaker 2: just complicated conversations and you know, you as a as
Speaker 2: a person making choices, you have to know which hills
Speaker 2: you're going to die on and which ones you're going
Speaker 2: to have to let go of, and you just never
Speaker 2: know which ones are the right ones. I guess until
Speaker 2: it's all said and done.
Speaker 1: Listen. I've said this as someone who has no idea
Speaker 1: about the making of it. But a film like Barbie,
Speaker 1: which was is a wild film. It's a wild film
Speaker 1: based on a huge property, a huge IP, huge toy company.
Speaker 1: And part of what I think is impressive about Barbie
Speaker 1: and it makes me think I have no idea. This
Speaker 1: is my guess, is like the execs on that film
Speaker 1: must have been great, is my guest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the same thing.
Speaker 1: If you're going I want to do this weird thing
Speaker 1: and I want to do that weird thing, there are
Speaker 1: people in charge that can stop that. They ruin it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I can just say from my experience with television execs,
Speaker 2: I came out of that movie thinking the exact same thing.
Speaker 2: Like I remember asking asking my lady, like, how do
Speaker 2: you think they were able to talk the execs into
Speaker 2: letting them do this stuff? And they had two sets
Speaker 2: of exacts. They had the movie execs, and they had
Speaker 2: the Mattel execs that controlled control the toy ip and
Speaker 2: I feel like some of the messages in that movie again,
Speaker 2: let's let's take it back to bamboozle. Let's take it
Speaker 2: back to conversations that a film is trying to have.
Speaker 2: Some of the conversations that Barbie's trying to have were
Speaker 2: bad for the toy Barbie. They're bad for the film industry,
Speaker 2: you know. And so it was just it was fascinating
Speaker 2: to me how they got to create something so big
Speaker 2: and so obviously subversive and got buy in on all
Speaker 2: of those levels.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the answer is a billion things can go
Speaker 1: wrong along the way, even with everyone wanting it to
Speaker 1: be good. In Babbah, And I also think there's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons I love it, Oh it's big, because
Speaker 1: I think, on top of all the planning you do,
Speaker 1: all the thing, all the blah blah, it's magic. There
Speaker 1: is a bit of magic. And like when I look
Speaker 1: at you know, look, I was in this show Ted
Speaker 1: last and a lot of people talk about the cast
Speaker 1: and they love the cast, and I love the cast,
Speaker 1: and they're all really good actors. But there's a bit
Speaker 1: of magic there. There's magic that we all had chemistry.
Speaker 1: We might not chemistry if we didn't have chemistry, and
Speaker 1: we're all really good actors. It's not going to work.
Speaker 1: But it was lucky, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: there's a magic there. And I think with every project,
Speaker 1: you do all the things, all the things, and then
Speaker 1: if you're lucky, some magic happens and then it works and.
Speaker 2: The undefined element is a factor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sorry for wanging on.
Speaker 2: No, no, I appreciate your perspective. These are things I
Speaker 2: think about a lot, and I often don't have people
Speaker 2: to talk to them about.
Speaker 1: For you. Now, tell me a film that you used
Speaker 1: to love. You've watched it recently and you've thought, I
Speaker 1: don't like this anymore.
Speaker 2: That's happened quite a bit lately. Gosh, there's a Robin
Speaker 2: Williams movie. Is it called Toys? Parry Levinson weird film.
Speaker 2: I tried to watch that movie because I watched it
Speaker 2: a lot when I was little. I tried to watch
Speaker 2: it recently. I got like twenty minutes in. I was like,
Speaker 2: I cannot do this. I cannot do this, Like there
Speaker 2: was so much And part of the problem now too,
Speaker 2: is that. I'm very budget conscious when I watch a
Speaker 2: movie now, so sometimes like I'll watch a movie from
Speaker 2: the nineties and I'll just get sick to my stomach
Speaker 2: thinking about all the money that was spent for no
Speaker 2: reason whatsoever. And I think that movie Toy starts out
Speaker 2: with this crazy big Christmas ballet thing that cost a
Speaker 2: small fortune, and it went on and on and on
Speaker 2: before you're introduced to anybody or anything. And I was like,
Speaker 2: I can't, I cannot do this. I can't. I can't
Speaker 2: believe they did all of this, they spent all of
Speaker 2: this money.
Speaker 1: That is really interesting. That's funny. I've wondered about that
Speaker 1: film whether it holds up. You saved me some time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about the rest of it, But
Speaker 2: the first twenty minutes with me right off, even though
Speaker 2: I watched it ten thousand times as a child.
Speaker 1: What is the film that means the mice to you?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily the film itself is good, but the experience
Speaker 1: you had seeing it will always make it meaningful to you.
Speaker 2: Opened my probably he Man go On, I love that
Speaker 2: go On. I really I was a big he Man
Speaker 2: fan as a child, Like that was one of my
Speaker 2: main things. I liked he Man, so I wanted all
Speaker 2: the he Man toys. And you know, I didn't have
Speaker 2: many opportunities to see something that I loved as a
Speaker 2: child made into a live action film, and I loved
Speaker 2: everything about it. I remember I had a he Man
Speaker 2: the Movie Panini sticker book nice because that's how much
Speaker 2: I liked that movie. And I still to this day,
Speaker 2: I think that the skeletor makeup was incredible. I knew
Speaker 2: that they changed a lot of the characters. I didn't care.
Speaker 2: You know, Dolph Lungren, who I hated because he was
Speaker 2: Ivan Drago and why or who I wanted to die?
Speaker 2: I wanted him to die. He was he Man, and
Speaker 2: I was fine with it because it was he.
Speaker 1: That's a powerful that's a powerful that's an incredible O fulfillment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, give me the he Man.
Speaker 1: Great shout what's the film you might relate to?
Speaker 2: Do the right thing?
Speaker 1: I fucking love it, Spider Man. Yeah, tell me.
Speaker 2: Who I think. My work, my music work attempts to
Speaker 2: have a lot of conversations on a lot of on
Speaker 2: a on a lot of levels. Sometimes there are sometimes
Speaker 2: conversations are small jokes. Sometimes the conversation is a huge
Speaker 2: cultural commentary. But it's always a peek into my inner
Speaker 2: world because it's like a you know, it's it's a
Speaker 2: rap song made with my values, which are different than
Speaker 2: a lot of rappers values. And I just think, God,
Speaker 2: what he did with that movie is so inspirational to
Speaker 2: me as a creator, because you know, you're bringing people
Speaker 2: into this world like like it it's almost absurdist in
Speaker 2: some ways, like the way he made that film, But
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, the conversation is so
Speaker 2: resonant with people because they they even if they don't
Speaker 2: know that world from his perspective, they know that world.
Speaker 2: They know New York, they know old racist people who
Speaker 2: may not consider themselves racist. They know how calamity can
Speaker 2: rise to the point where a misunderstanding takes a life.
Speaker 2: And then there's this rage from the community. And we
Speaker 2: keep seeing that happen over and over again, you know,
Speaker 2: with with black people killed by police, Like you see
Speaker 2: the same rage, like it always points back to that,
Speaker 2: And to me, it's just it's just genius. And you know,
Speaker 2: the way that he had that conversation, it's just it's
Speaker 2: how I always want to be having conversations in my work.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you. I think I know what you mean,
Speaker 1: because I've read a lot about you. But what is
Speaker 1: it when you say your values which are different from
Speaker 1: lice rappers? What do you mean? I?
Speaker 2: Okay, What I really mean is that I think rap
Speaker 2: as an art form, as a as a craft, as
Speaker 2: a medium, I think it's a really powerful medium. And
Speaker 2: because I think it's really powerful, I'm always trying to
Speaker 2: have conversations with it that people don't necessarily think go
Speaker 2: with rap or think rap can have. And I understand
Speaker 2: because like there's a power that comes with having restrictions
Speaker 2: on an art form too, you know, like the so
Speaker 2: so restricting rap to particular subject matters of particular perspectives.
Speaker 2: And if you find what can cut through inside about
Speaker 2: out inside of that very narrow restriction, that's powerful that
Speaker 2: what can rise out of that. You know, it's like
Speaker 2: a lot of like a lot of dance hall, Like
Speaker 2: it's the same rhythm over and over again, but you
Speaker 2: find what cuts through, you know, And I and I
Speaker 2: and I get that. I get that there's a certain
Speaker 2: power to having this understandable set of of of materials
Speaker 2: that you're working with in a craft, you know, But
Speaker 2: I just think it can be so much bigger and
Speaker 2: I and it's not even just that, I think, because
Speaker 2: I'm not the only person doing it, like I'm a
Speaker 2: fan of people who have all these different conversations with
Speaker 2: rap music. I just I am aware that it's a
Speaker 2: thing apart from people's expectations. I'm very aware of that,
Speaker 2: and so that's just something I always know. I'm contending with.
Speaker 1: Love it of it. Thank you, well, good, I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. What is the film you mightce relate to?
Speaker 2: Was that what I thought? You just asked? That is that?
Speaker 1: Is that what you just asked? I did absolutely right, okay,
Speaker 1: And that was a test because I got caught up,
Speaker 1: I got syde caught up in your in your wrap
Speaker 1: theory that I was like, I was lusting your eyes.
Speaker 2: That was so casual. That was so casual too. You're
Speaker 2: just like, next question, same questions, next.
Speaker 1: Question, what is the film you might relate to? I'm goodding.
Speaker 2: It was the perfect setup. That was great. Thank you
Speaker 2: for doing it.
Speaker 1: That was thank you. What's the sexiest film you've ever seen? Migo?
Speaker 2: My brain went to eyes white, shut go on, Well,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's about it's about Hollywood sex. Parties.
Speaker 2: You know, there's lots of masks, because it's lots of
Speaker 2: what appeared to me to be a lot of institutions
Speaker 2: that allowed people to indulge whatever, you know, And it
Speaker 2: read to me as sexy. But I don't know. It
Speaker 2: was just the first answer that popped into my head.
Speaker 1: Listen, no judgment for me. I watched that film recently
Speaker 1: because I didn't like it when I first saw it,
Speaker 1: and I've watched.
Speaker 2: It seen it. I've only seen it once.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's such a strange film and it's.
Speaker 2: Very it is very weird.
Speaker 1: I didn't find it very sexy, Like there's there's some
Speaker 1: beautiful people in it, but it's not very it's very cold.
Speaker 1: It's very weird, and I think the whole film is
Speaker 1: a joke about Tom Cruise being.
Speaker 2: A scientology.
Speaker 1: Being a sort of simp. Is that the word?
Speaker 2: Like as in interesting.
Speaker 1: He spends two and a half hours trying to get
Speaker 1: laid and he fails, and everywhere he goes he's kind
Speaker 1: of emasculated. And she turns up at this audi and
Speaker 1: he's kind of exposed and he's not allowed in. He's
Speaker 1: not cool enough for it. Like it's every turn he
Speaker 1: is foiled in his sex journey. It's a very weird film.
Speaker 2: I would imagine that I would receive it a lot
Speaker 2: differently than when I first saw I only seen it.
Speaker 2: I only saw it one time, and my main takeaway
Speaker 2: from it when I saw it was that, oh right,
Speaker 2: this isn't done like this, not this isn't finished, this
Speaker 2: is this is again, this is this is somebody trying
Speaker 2: to have a conversation about a thing, and then they
Speaker 2: died in the middle of having the convers and we're
Speaker 2: left with what's left.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could buy that this was quite it. There's
Speaker 1: a subcategory to this question, troubling Boner is worrying. Why
Speaker 1: jes a film he found arousing that you weren't sure
Speaker 1: you should.
Speaker 2: There's a movie I saw recently. It was so good.
Speaker 2: It had Natalie Portman. It is about Mary Kayla Turno. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's my answer. Perfect time and what what an excellent movie.
Speaker 2: But it definitely it had it had it had porno
Speaker 2: energy at certain points, and and that works on me.
Speaker 2: It works on my body.
Speaker 1: Gonna work. That's a great film and a perfect time set.
Speaker 2: It's so good. It's so good like that I felt
Speaker 2: like that movie should have gotten every award agreed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, is objectively the greatest film of all time.
Speaker 1: Might not be your favorite, but it's the best of cinema.
Speaker 1: I want to say Chinatown interesting okay again again problematic now,
Speaker 1: you know, given given its director.
Speaker 2: I mean it probably always problematic, increasingly so as we
Speaker 2: try to make sense of what of the things people do.
Speaker 2: But I do think it's a really perfect movie. I
Speaker 2: like that movie so much, and it just gives me,
Speaker 2: like you know, seventies cinemas off and talked about as
Speaker 2: this golden agent to me, like China sounds like one
Speaker 2: of those crown jewels of it. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 2: just love that movie.
Speaker 1: Fair. Fair doesn't come up a lot on this respect.
Speaker 2: That's interesting that it doesn't. But I suppose it probably
Speaker 2: because of the problematic nature of the director.
Speaker 1: No, I just think not in a favorite of seeing it. Really.
Speaker 2: No, you're okay, that's a job.
Speaker 1: It's good. I don't think it's I don't think people
Speaker 1: are like cheesing not to sick, So that reason, I
Speaker 1: think it just missed it.
Speaker 2: That's legitimately surprising to me. That's legitimately surprising. I always figured.
Speaker 2: I always think about that movie is like one of
Speaker 2: the great films.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, what's the film that you could or have?
Speaker 1: What's the most over and over again?
Speaker 2: Magnolia?
Speaker 1: Fuck you, that is one of my top ten films.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very good. I love very good. It's it
Speaker 2: is my favorite movie. It is my favorite movie. And
Speaker 2: it's three hours and it's crazy and you know, slap dash.
Speaker 2: But I will watch it over and over again for
Speaker 2: the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: Talk about big swings that felt, Yes, my god, I
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: Talk about Tom Cruise the.
Speaker 1: Best performance of his life. My god, he is good
Speaker 1: in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he kicks ass in it.
Speaker 1: I love that film. I love the beginning. I love
Speaker 1: the aside from the prologue, which is obviously amazing, but
Speaker 1: once the song kicks in and then you get this
Speaker 1: sort of colors of everyone's lives that blows my mind.
Speaker 1: I didn't have that.
Speaker 2: John c Riley, like, come on, it's so good.
Speaker 1: What is the worst film you've ever seen? You don't
Speaker 1: have to be nasty about it.
Speaker 2: I feel like I've seen a lot of bad movies.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Morbius. Morbius is the worst movie I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: It is, and it actually is because I remember watching
Speaker 2: it took because it was being talked about let him like,
Speaker 2: it can't be, but it is. It's actually horrible. It's
Speaker 2: actually horrible. Like that's another one. I'm fascinated by it. Like,
Speaker 2: just like I'm curious about how, you know, a perfect
Speaker 2: movie gets made, I'm also curious about how like a
Speaker 2: movie can get made. It's just bad in so many ways,
Speaker 2: you know, like I guess it should be easier to
Speaker 2: do that, but it still doesn't happen a lot where
Speaker 2: it's just like being truly budgeted horrible.
Speaker 1: This is the thing. It's it's kind of a it's people.
Speaker 1: It's all people. There's so many people making a film,
Speaker 1: and if some of those people are dickheads or it's egos,
Speaker 1: and it's fucking scared people scared to take risks so
Speaker 1: they say, you can't do it, you can't do that,
Speaker 1: and we have to reach this number or whatever, like
Speaker 1: algorithms all that shit. That's what makes bad films, I think.
Speaker 1: But also something like that, it seems like lots of
Speaker 1: re recuts, lots of reshoots, Like by the time it's finished,
Speaker 1: it's like a mess, and it doesn't it's nothing close
Speaker 1: to what was originally planned. I imagine that is again, I guess.
Speaker 2: And it feels like that. I guess that seems to
Speaker 2: be obviously such a bad way to make a good movie.
Speaker 2: I'm also curious why that's the choice is made so often,
Speaker 2: you know, like what makes the executives think this time around,
Speaker 2: in searching a different story into the movie they already shot,
Speaker 2: is going to make it better. And it doesn't seem
Speaker 2: like that. I can't say it never happens, but it
Speaker 2: seems like people can tell when that happens, and it's
Speaker 2: usually not good.
Speaker 1: Because I think it's it also comes like sometimes these
Speaker 1: things they'll do, like a test screening with like one
Speaker 1: hundred people, clearly random people, and if those people don't
Speaker 1: like it, they'll panic and change everything and it's like
Speaker 1: one hundred people sorry, random people. Sorry, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like like maybe it's not for that, yeah,
Speaker 1: But then they'll start making huge decisions based on this
Speaker 1: completely random group of people.
Speaker 2: How things very difficult, you know, It's funny. I had
Speaker 2: a television show called The New Negroes on Comedy Central.
Speaker 1: Did you write it?
Speaker 2: I wrote on it, but I was credit because I
Speaker 2: wasn't guilt, But I was in.
Speaker 1: The room writing, oh great, how was there this? Well again?
Speaker 2: I spoke to you about having lived a bunch of
Speaker 2: my dreams and that was one of them, you know,
Speaker 2: and it didn't go good, but I got to experience it.
Speaker 1: As in the end result or the success of the show.
Speaker 1: Did you like the show? You proud of the show?
Speaker 2: I would say, very proud of the show. But I
Speaker 2: remember so we ended up getting canceled after season one,
Speaker 2: but we were in talks to do a season two,
Speaker 2: and I remember thinking, like, if we get the season two,
Speaker 2: which I very much want, you know, just financially, to
Speaker 2: be able to you know, creatively, to try to make
Speaker 2: it better all of those things. I was trying to
Speaker 2: think of a way where I could do it, but
Speaker 2: it would cost me less, like psychologically, because the first
Speaker 2: season cost me a lot. Like the process of it
Speaker 2: felt like it was feeding on me and my creative partner,
Speaker 2: Baron Vaughan. He was a creator, but I was, you know,
Speaker 2: right there with him the whole way. It seemed like
Speaker 2: it wanted to eat us, like the process wanted to
Speaker 2: eat us, you know, and eyes was just I just
Speaker 2: if we were able to do a season two, I
Speaker 2: would have had to have figured out a way to
Speaker 2: do it with giving less of myself somehow, because the
Speaker 2: end result didn't seem to be worth what it wanted
Speaker 2: from me. You know, it's a basic cable show. It
Speaker 2: could only be on Friday nights because of the way
Speaker 2: Comedy Central's budgets were set up. Because it was technically
Speaker 2: considered a stand up show. All their stand up show
Speaker 2: has to be on Friday, you know. So that means
Speaker 2: it's going to be a limited audience of people who
Speaker 2: are going to be able to see this thing. It's
Speaker 2: not in a position to take off and become some
Speaker 2: cultural juggernaut. So I cannot allow it to destroy me.
Speaker 2: It's not that does not seem to be an equal exchange,
Speaker 2: you know. But I brought it up to say, yes,
Speaker 2: they did a focus group on our pilot episode, and
Speaker 2: a lot of the people who saw the pilot episode
Speaker 2: had a problem with this one aspect of the show.
Speaker 2: We were like, Ah, get out of here, whatever. These
Speaker 2: people who are these people whose people are in Arizona
Speaker 2: on a Tuesday, They don't know, they don't care about
Speaker 2: any of this. They were right, though, that's good, that's good. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was. It was. It was the other side of
Speaker 2: the coin. They had good nights, like retroactively like oh
Speaker 2: they yeah, they were on us about that since the
Speaker 2: focus group.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you should have listened. Yeah, that's very interesting.
Speaker 1: We could talk about that for hours. But lies to live.
Speaker 1: You're in comedy.
Speaker 2: You're very funny.
Speaker 1: What's the film that made you laugh the most?
Speaker 2: How High? No, not How High? Half Baked the other
Speaker 2: week movie?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yes, in college, that movie had me doubled over regularly.
Speaker 1: Love it. I love it. How's up? I imagine?
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I think I saw a lifetime's
Speaker 2: worth in college. I'll probably never see it again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like How High.
Speaker 2: I liked How High too. There were parts of about
Speaker 2: how they were great. There were also parts of How
Speaker 2: High that I found very strange.
Speaker 1: Opened my eagle. You have been an absolute joy to
Speaker 1: spend some time with.
Speaker 2: No, thank you. I appreciate that. However, Oh oh.
Speaker 1: When you was when you was in bed and you
Speaker 1: went you nodded off to sleep, no night. You said
Speaker 1: no night to the family, not enough to sleep because
Speaker 1: of a series of choices you'd made throughout your life.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right. Yeah, it all came back to haunt.
Speaker 1: Me that night your heart suddenly, your heart seized up
Speaker 1: and you woke up, and then your stomach ruptured and
Speaker 1: you had a naneurysm, and your eye popped out, and
Speaker 1: then your other eye popped out, and then your bulls,
Speaker 1: your testicles, by my friends, exploded all over, your family covered,
Speaker 1: and I am walking past you know, I'm like, got
Speaker 1: coughing with me. I go, is anyone seen open? Mike
Speaker 1: Eagle and your family come out. They're just covered in
Speaker 1: sort of bull juice and stuff. And I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, what happened? And they go, he died peacefully
Speaker 1: in his sleep. And I go, really, okay. I come
Speaker 1: upstairs and I look at you, and I got it.
Speaker 1: Don't look like it, but if that's what you want
Speaker 1: to tell everyone, and I find you, I'll get you,
Speaker 1: try and get you in the coffin. But it's more
Speaker 1: of you than I was expecting. So I get you.
Speaker 1: I say, come and help me. We'll grab axes.
Speaker 2: We start as it's a big mess.
Speaker 1: Make more of a mess. Yeah, that's easier to deal with.
Speaker 1: Then we put it, put you all in the coffin.
Speaker 1: There's too much of you. The coffin is jammed. There's
Speaker 1: only enough room in this coffin for me to slip
Speaker 1: one DVD into the side for you to take across
Speaker 1: to the other side. And on the other side, it's
Speaker 1: movie night every night. What are you taking to show
Speaker 1: the laughing laughers, the laughter in heaven when it is
Speaker 1: your movie night? Open, Mike Eagle, go please thank.
Speaker 2: You beetle juice from taking beetle juice. Fuck, it's perfect.
Speaker 2: It makes me laugh, makes me smile. It's that's that
Speaker 2: movie is a hug. The movie is a hug and.
Speaker 1: Is a beautiful answer? Beautiful man? Is there anything you
Speaker 1: would like to tell people to listen to or to
Speaker 1: go and see you at? What would you like to plug?
Speaker 2: I would say, I want them to listen to this
Speaker 2: episode over and over again, is what I would like
Speaker 2: them to do. Okay, but then also, yeah, check out
Speaker 2: the Previous Industries. Album is called Service Merchandise. It's really good.
Speaker 1: Previous Industries. Is the name of you? Is the name
Speaker 1: of your group?
Speaker 2: That's the name of well, that's name of the album, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's the name of the group previous and the album
Speaker 2: is called Service Merchandise. And yeah, if you're if you're
Speaker 2: in the Midwest, the Northwest, or California. We're going to
Speaker 2: be rolling to those spots in late September, early October.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure when this comes out, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: you'll probably.
Speaker 1: Be going in. Yeah. Fantastic, absolutely fantastic. Thank you very
Speaker 1: much for your time.
Speaker 2: I have I have a quick question for your quick
Speaker 2: question for you. This is just so quick and I've
Speaker 2: only just remembered it right now because if I'm meaning
Speaker 2: to ask somebody this, You know how, there's plenty of
Speaker 2: movies where people with British accents do an American accent,
Speaker 2: and it's my blowing. Are there American actors who do
Speaker 2: a convincing British accent?
Speaker 1: There's two. I think Gwynipatro does it good, and I
Speaker 1: think Brendan Zwag does it good.
Speaker 2: Interesting do they try a lot? Does it happen a
Speaker 2: lot where they try and it's just bad?
Speaker 1: It is kind of it's I think it's a different mouth,
Speaker 1: move the tongue, everything moves differently. It's easier to go American,
Speaker 1: and it is hard. It's not like it's not like
Speaker 1: a judgment on America, like it is. I love hard
Speaker 1: to go to English from America. It's easier to go
Speaker 1: in least to America.
Speaker 2: That is so fascinating. Thank you, thank you for that.
Speaker 2: I've been meaning to ask somebody.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure there are more. When I said two,
Speaker 1: I was half joking. I'm sure there's lots of great
Speaker 1: American actors that can do it, but.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking it. I was just thinking of it.
Speaker 2: I just don't see it all. I just don't see
Speaker 2: it a lot. Where you see the converse, you see
Speaker 2: it all the time, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's true. All right, opened my kego. You're amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I have a lovely death. So that was episode three
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty. Head over to the Patreon at patreon
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Speaker 1: us a five star writing and blah blah blah. You
Speaker 1: don't even have to do that. Don't worry about it
Speaker 1: and live your lives, you know what I mean. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much, toping mikey All for doing this show.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Scrubys, Pip and the Distraction Pieces Network, thanks
Speaker 1: to Buddy Peace for producing it, thanks to iHeartMedia and
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Speaker 1: Richarson for the graphics and least the lightning for the photography.
Speaker 1: Come and join me next week for another fantastic guest.
Speaker 1: But that is it for now. Thank you all for listening.
Speaker 1: I hope you're all well.
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