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Speaker 2: Like the highlights.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening.

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Speaker 4: Emily about a year popping in with a special episode

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Speaker 4: of Hurdle Live from Tokyo here for the World Athletics Championships,

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Speaker 4: and sat down with Team USA's three marathoners, all Brooks

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Speaker 4: running athletes. We've got Erica Kemp, Susannah Sullivan, and Jess

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Speaker 4: McLean who all told the starting line of one hell

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Speaker 4: of a marathon on Sunday, September fourteenth. For contexts, as

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Speaker 4: we talk about in today's episode, the temperatures out there

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Speaker 4: are real feel of the High nine. These intense humidity,

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Speaker 4: cusping one hundred percent crazy, crazy conditions, but truly remarkable

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Speaker 4: to watch these women get out and do their thing.

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Speaker 3: Susannah went for glory.

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Speaker 4: She finished fourth in the World Championship a marathon. For

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Speaker 4: the pack for a considerable amount alongside Jess McLean. Erica

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Speaker 4: ultimately had a tougher day, finishing fifty second their times respectively.

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Speaker 4: Susannah into twenty eight seventeen, Jess in two twenty nine

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Speaker 4: twenty and Erica in two fifty thirty five. In today's conversation,

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Speaker 4: we talk about it all. We talked about the prep,

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Speaker 4: we talk about the day, We talk about the highs

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Speaker 4: and the lows, the lessons, learned what it was like

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Speaker 4: immediately following the race, how they celebrated, and of course

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Speaker 3: So's a stillar opportunity.

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Speaker 4: To sit down with these ladies at the Brooks Hyperion

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Speaker 4: House here as a marathoner myself a massive fan of

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Speaker 4: the sport, you couldn't have asked for a better opportunity.

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Speaker 4: So to the Brooks team, thanks for welcoming me in.

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Speaker 4: Each of these women have really gotten to this point

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Speaker 4: with their own roadmap, on their own terms, writing their

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Speaker 4: own pages in the record books in the process. And wow,

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Speaker 4: I am in awe with that. Keeping this intro short

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Speaker 4: and sweet, I'm over at Emily a Body and at

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Speaker 4: in the show notes. With that, let's get to it.

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Speaker 4: Let's get to a hurdling.

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Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, I'm Emily.

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Speaker 4: I am so happy to be here in Tokyo with

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Speaker 4: the lovely ladies of Team USA, our marathoners here at

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Speaker 4: the Brooks Hyperion House.

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Speaker 3: Let's give it up for them.

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Speaker 4: We have the Erica Kemp to my right, Jess McLain

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Speaker 4: and Susanna Sullivan. All right, we love to get get

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Speaker 4: off with a level set. It's been a little over

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Speaker 4: twenty four hours. So Erica, how are you doing really?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing okay. I'm doing a lot better than last night.

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Speaker 1: Stairs are not great and there are quite a few

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Speaker 1: a journey through Tokyo this morning. But I'm alive.

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Speaker 3: I'm alive. Alive is a good place to start. Jess,

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Speaker 3: how are you doing? Really?

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Speaker 5: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 6: I feel like you know, legs Arowy interesting coming back

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Speaker 6: But other than that, I'm like just stoked to be here.

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Speaker 6: Like I feel like I've been soaking in the Japan experience.

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Speaker 5: So stoked. Head to the track too tonight.

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Speaker 3: So so excited, Susannah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm still riding the high from yesterday. I

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Speaker 7: No, this is maybe the best I've ever felt the

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Speaker 2: Into the world stuff.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Well, speaking of crushing a lot of water.

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Speaker 6: I think one of the highlights was definitely rolling to

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Speaker 6: Low lights, Man, I you know, I knew it was

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Speaker 5: This is where this is what we've been thinking about

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, speaking of that, when when we

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Speaker 4: You said, if I fall a little bit short because

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Speaker 4: I shot my shot, that's fine.

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Speaker 5: I think so? I think I really wanted top five.

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Speaker 5: Like, you have to put yourself in it, Like the

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Speaker 6: Place if you don't take a shot like that, and

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Speaker 6: Clayton got night today. That's amazing. So yeah, I think

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Speaker 4: Yeah, shot my shot and fell a little bit short.

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Speaker 4: all you've got, Erica, when I sat down with you,

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Speaker 4: you said, when the gun goes off, the pages are blank.

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Speaker 4: The story of the race hasn't been written yet. What's

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Speaker 1: Like definitely we did everything we could to like prepare

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Speaker 1: The way the course was looped was actually like really great,

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Speaker 2: So that was really great.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even though it was like taking me a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, up and down, understandably so, and again to reiterate

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, for sure, one of the first thoughts

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Speaker 2: Just there are so many people who showed up. It's

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Speaker 1: And even though especially in the second half of the race,

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Speaker 1: And like I said in a couple like pre race

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, like it's not going

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Speaker 1: to be that bad, Like I can do this. And

441
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Speaker 1: then we clicked off a few two like spicy splits

442
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Speaker 1: for me, and I knew like around like seven or

443
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Speaker 1: eight miles, I was like, oh, I think I've like

444
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 1: crossed that line like a little too early. And at

445
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Speaker 1: that point it was like so warm, it's like really

446
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Speaker 1: hard to like pull it back. So working on that

447
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 1: secondary flow state alternative when you lose it, but yeah,

448
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Speaker 1: it's just something you just like work on every day.

449
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So what I'm hearing you say is Susanna's the

450
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 4: problem exactly exactly. The other thing that I wanted to

451
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Speaker 4: double click on is you mentioned fueling. Obviously a huge

452
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Speaker 4: component of yesterday's race. Susanna, talk to us a little

453
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Speaker 4: bit about what your fueling was like yesterday during the

454
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Speaker 4: twenty six point.

455
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Speaker 7: Two Yeah, like Jess said, I feel like the stations,

456
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Speaker 7: I'm was like constantly working. I was constantly thinking about

457
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Speaker 7: like what was happening next at the end, like I

458
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Speaker 7: think the last two So there were our personal stations,

459
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Speaker 7: which were you know, we had put out bottles with

460
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Speaker 7: all sorts of you know, I.

461
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Speaker 2: Had a lot of gatorade.

462
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Speaker 7: I And earlier this summer we did some sweatesting with

463
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Speaker 7: Brooks and I learned that I'm apparently a very salty sweater,

464
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Speaker 7: which I I didn't realize because I've never been somebody

465
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Speaker 7: to have like a salt crust on my shirt or

466
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Speaker 7: anything at the end of her run. But that was

467
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Speaker 7: helpful information because over the summer we were just trying

468
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Speaker 7: to take in saltier you know options, and you know,

469
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Speaker 7: tried out a couple of things and tried to figure

470
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Speaker 7: out like what flavors I liked, and I ended up

471
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Speaker 7: just having gatorade with salt in it because that's what

472
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Speaker 7: tasted good. But near the end in the general water

473
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Speaker 7: stations they had Maccari sweat, which is like Japanese gatorade.

474
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Speaker 7: And there were two stops where I took three cups

475
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Speaker 7: in the span of like, you know, ten meters. I

476
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Speaker 7: probably looked like a Luna to I, like hand over

477
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Speaker 7: fist grabbing cups, but yeah, I really needed it.

478
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Speaker 5: At the end, it was it was getting spicy, so you.

479
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Speaker 4: Can never I'll never forget the imagery of Molly's cidle

480
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 4: at the Olympics, like ripping theme in the ice bag

481
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 4: and like stuffing it all over herself. With the things

482
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Speaker 4: that were available to all of you along the course.

483
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Speaker 3: Is that anything you practiced with prior.

484
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Speaker 5: To this, I think obviously our personal feeling. For sure.

485
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Speaker 6: We worked with Bridge at Brooks and then USATF to

486
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Speaker 6: kind of like come up with different cooling methods along

487
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Speaker 6: the course. I think they learned a lot from Clayton's

488
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Speaker 6: experience in Paris last year, and he's just so dialed in.

489
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Speaker 5: With all of that.

490
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Speaker 6: But we had, honestly, my favorite things out there were

491
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Speaker 6: like the personal towels with ice wrapped in it because

492
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Speaker 6: they just stayed cold. You can keep the ice in there.

493
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Speaker 6: And I held a towel like pretty much the whole race,

494
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Speaker 6: and I was just patting myself and keeping myself cool.

495
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Speaker 5: We had these hats.

496
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Speaker 4: I'm sure people, you don't think it's your most attractive

497
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Speaker 4: look of all time.

498
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Speaker 6: Oh oh man, you know it's worth it's worth it

499
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Speaker 6: to stay cool.

500
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Speaker 5: But I think they were okay.

501
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Speaker 6: Honestly, I spent so much time my hair was a

502
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Speaker 6: problem and just getting it on and off. It was

503
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Speaker 6: just too much. So at some point I was like,

504
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Speaker 6: stick to the ice. We're lucky as women to have

505
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 6: sports bras. Stuff it in there, keep it up, keep

506
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Speaker 6: it close to the chest. So I was pretty much

507
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 6: doing that and then keeping like ice in my mouth,

508
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 6: ice in my hands, just ice everywhere. And the ice

509
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Speaker 6: bags were great actually because you could run with them

510
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 6: for a little bit, tear it open when you needed it.

511
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Speaker 6: But yeah, I would say like the biggest thing was

512
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 6: being able to work with Brooks and like months out

513
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Speaker 6: at our little training camps that we've done in the lab,

514
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Speaker 6: Brooks hook me up with ASU back home to do some.

515
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Speaker 5: Humidity chamber sessions, which.

516
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Speaker 6: Yeah, talk to us a little bit about what that

517
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Speaker 6: looked like. I totally underestimated it. I showed up to

518
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Speaker 6: my first session with is like a water bottle was

519
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Speaker 6: I didn't even bring a fuel like fueling or like anything,

520
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Speaker 6: and I I was trying.

521
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Speaker 5: To play it so cool, but it was so hard.

522
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Speaker 6: Like I think it was an eighty minute run seventy

523
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Speaker 6: percent sixty five percent humidity the first time, and it

524
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Speaker 6: was so so hard, And I think it was just

525
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Speaker 6: more of like getting used to the discomfort.

526
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Speaker 5: Like for me, it's.

527
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Speaker 6: Humidity is just uncomfortable. I'm used to I'll take ninety

528
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Speaker 6: degree dry heat any day, but that was tough. So

529
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Speaker 6: I just did four sessions, increasing humidity by like five

530
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Speaker 6: percent to eight percent every time, got up to like eighty.

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Speaker 5: Percent eighty four percent.

532
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Speaker 6: But honestly, it was just a lot of like, Okay,

533
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Speaker 6: this is what it feels like to be this uncomfortable

534
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Speaker 6: and just being okay with that.

535
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Speaker 5: So yeah, that was that was huge for me. That

536
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Speaker 5: helped a lot.

537
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Speaker 4: And of note here, like you're saying that you maxed

538
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Speaker 4: out at like eighty maybe you touched eighty five, Like

539
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Speaker 4: that's not even the cusp of what we were dealing

540
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Speaker 4: with yesterday here. So I know that it may not

541
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Speaker 4: be easy necessarily to come to this place where we

542
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Speaker 4: have grace for things not going exactly how we'd hoped.

543
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Speaker 4: But I would say that considering the conditions, regardless of

544
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Speaker 4: where you fare in the pack, to finish how you

545
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Speaker 4: finished yesterday is absolutely remarkable and it's truly superhuman, Like

546
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Speaker 4: truly superhuman.

547
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Speaker 5: I want you.

548
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Speaker 4: Touched briefly on the crowds and I think that's like

549
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Speaker 4: something kind of funny to talk about you had a

550
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 4: warped experience running with someone from this country for a bit.

551
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 4: I myself ran the Tokyo Marathon last year, and it

552
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Speaker 4: was quite interesting, like the very different vibes of being

553
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Speaker 4: a New Yorker and having the New York Marathon versus

554
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Speaker 4: the Tokyo Marathon. What was interacting with the crowds like

555
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Speaker 4: for you yesterday, Erica.

556
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Speaker 1: It was I had heard similar things, just like comparing

557
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Speaker 1: like you know, a New York or a Boston to

558
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Speaker 1: typically Tokyo. But I think it was way better than

559
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Speaker 1: I expected. It was way louder. I mean, people were yelling.

560
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Speaker 1: They were yelling. It was much louder than like a

561
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Speaker 1: golf clap, and it I mean it felt like another

562
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Speaker 1: road race. Like they really really brought the energy yesterday,

563
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Speaker 1: which was like desperately needed. It was so tough out there,

564
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Speaker 1: and also just to have that many supporters out on

565
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Speaker 1: the course and that many people watching and cheering when

566
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: it was like obviously very tough to run, but even

567
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Speaker 1: just standing out there for a few minutes, I'm sure

568
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Speaker 1: it was like very difficult on the spectators. So it

569
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Speaker 1: was like they were also out there like giving a

570
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Speaker 1: great effort, and it took me quite a while to finish,

571
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Speaker 1: and there were still so many people out there cheering,

572
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Speaker 1: So like, I cannot thank the Tokyo crowds enough for

573
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Speaker 1: hanging out there for three hours.

574
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Speaker 4: The compassion that you have for the spectators is unnecessary.

575
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Speaker 5: I mean, we were having a good time.

576
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Speaker 4: It was it hot, Yes, Was it anything like what

577
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 4: you guys were dealing with?

578
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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

579
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Speaker 4: How are the crowds for you, Susanna, especially at the

580
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Speaker 4: front of the path.

581
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it was exciting when I headed near the palace.

582
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Speaker 7: Initially it was really quiet and there was that golf

583
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Speaker 7: clap and that was just kind of an interesting, that

584
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 7: cultural moment. But then after I don't know, probably about

585
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Speaker 7: ten miles in it just it it was loud enough

586
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 7: that I realized that I wasn't going to be able

587
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Speaker 7: to rely on the crowds to kind of figure out

588
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 7: if people were approaching, because it was just loud enough

589
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Speaker 7: that it was like I'm having a hard time distinguishing

590
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Speaker 7: between like this is me and then there's like a

591
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Speaker 7: little bit of quiet and then I hear a roar

592
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Speaker 7: behind me.

593
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Speaker 2: So yeah, it was pretty consistent.

594
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Speaker 7: After about ten miles, at some point it was clear

595
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 7: that you know, through the power of Google or whatever,

596
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 7: somebody had figured out that I was a teacher, and

597
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 7: that was spreading through certain pockets, and so when I

598
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 7: would come by, i'd hear teacher, teacher, teachers, So that

599
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 7: was kind of fun.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So when you take a step back and look

601
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Speaker 4: at the race yesterday as a whole, is there anything

602
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Speaker 4: or any one point that you think, reflecting on it,

603
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Speaker 4: that maybe you would have handled a little bit differently.

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Speaker 7: I think when the Julia who's there, Yeah, right, when

605
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Speaker 7: when she.

606
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Speaker 5: Passed me, I think.

607
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Speaker 7: I had a moment where I, you know, I had

608
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Speaker 7: to wonder as I was anticipating for miles, Okay, they're

609
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 7: gonna come, They're gonna catch you, and you need to, like,

610
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 7: you need to have a plan. You need to be

611
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 7: level headed about how you're gonna respond to it. Are

612
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 7: you gonna go with it or are you gonna like

613
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Speaker 7: assess depending on like how quickly they blow past you,

614
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 7: or are you just gonna like stay here because you

615
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 7: know that at this effort you can make it to

616
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Speaker 7: the finish. And so I was kind of wrestling with that,

617
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Speaker 7: and when Julia passed, I kind of latched onto her

618
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Speaker 7: for a bit and then was like, no, you know,

619
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Speaker 7: you like run your ace like you can. You can

620
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 7: hold on to this place, you can keep running this space.

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Speaker 7: And so looking back at that, like, you just wonder,

622
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Speaker 7: you know what if? Yeah, you just wonder what if?

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Speaker 4: So the question is, then what do you take from that?

624
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Speaker 4: Like having experienced that out there and wondering what if?

625
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Speaker 4: I think what I heard you say was this really

626
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 4: resounding moment of run your own race. Is that something

627
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Speaker 4: that's come to the forefront for you in marathon's past,

628
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Speaker 4: and do you think that's something that you're gonna take

629
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Speaker 4: with you as you move forward?

630
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Speaker 3: Now?

631
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Speaker 7: It has because I think that there were probably plenty

632
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Speaker 7: of people out on the course. I mean, I know

633
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Speaker 7: that there are people out on the course because they've

634
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 7: you know, I've gotten texts and messages since saying like

635
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 7: we were wondering what in the world she doing? And

636
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 7: I knew that I knew what I was doing. And

637
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:33,239
Speaker 7: so it's nice when it actually works out, because you know,

638
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 7: there were people saying we were wondering what was she thinking?

639
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 7: And then we were like, oh wow, that was that

640
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 7: was neat And so you know, when it works, it

641
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 7: gives you a lot of confidence that like okay, like

642
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 7: six to your guns. Do what you do, what you

643
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 7: train for, like trust your instincts. When it doesn't, that's

644
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 7: you know, then you have to live with all the

645
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 7: doubts until the next marathon. And we don't get to

646
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 7: run many of these years or so I'm glad it

647
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 7: worked out and I'm excited for for the next one.

648
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 7: The next one is going to be fairly soon. I'm

649
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 7: running New York City Marathon, and so I think that,

650
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 7: I mean, I was all in on on World Champs.

651
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 7: I was not thinking about New York City in the

652
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 7: last thinking about anything except for the finish line the

653
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 7: last you know, ten k or so. But I hope

654
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 7: that I can line up at New York knowing that,

655
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 7: like I want to walk away with no regrets. And

656
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 7: I'm super super excited about how yesterday went. And my

657
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 7: coach said yesterday after the race, like if I had

658
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Speaker 7: told you yesterday, so you know, twenty four hours before

659
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Speaker 7: the race that you were gonna be four, you would

660
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 7: have been like stoked. And so he was like, we're not

661
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 7: going to wonder. We're not gonna like sit around and

662
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 7: stew about, like you know what if you've made a

663
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 7: different decision, and I think that that's that's good advice.

664
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 7: That said, seven weeks from today, I'll be lining up

665
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 7: in New York, and I think that I'll remember how

666
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 7: I'm feeling today and wondering what if. So I don't

667
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 7: want to I don't want to walk away from New

668
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 7: York one.

669
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, shouldaw what Akuda is over here?

670
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 4: I was talking to Garrett from the Brooks team before

671
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 4: we started, and the realization and the reality of everything

672
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 4: is that, like I said earlier, every race isn't going

673
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 4: to be like the race, and each of you over

674
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 4: the last couple of years have had remarkable, outstanding, career

675
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 4: changing performances. So when you take a step back and

676
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 4: you think of it from that lens and you look

677
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 4: at it from that perspective, it's like, Okay, today, maybe

678
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 4: we sit here and some might say, well, that was

679
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 4: Susanna's race, but then a year ago, two years ago

680
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 4: Boston they were like, that's just as race, and then Houston,

681
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 4: that's Erica's race. Right, So when you take that step

682
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 4: back and you say, wow, look at what I'm capable of,

683
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 4: it kind of makes these moments again that don't go

684
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 4: as you'd hoped to one hundred percent feel a little

685
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 4: bit better. With that said, finding grace and moments that

686
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 4: don't go as you'd hoped isn't exactly the easiest thing, Erica,

687
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 4: What is for you the through line of how we

688
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 4: move forward from here? Because I know that, how does

689
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 4: the muscle strengthen you give it something to push up against?

690
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: How does your will strengthen you give it something to

691
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 4: push up against? Yesterday was a massive rep for your will.

692
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 4: So when you think about moving forward, what comes to mind?

693
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 5: Yeah?

694
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: I think, I mean that was the third marathon I finished.

695
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: So the inexperience around of applause.

696
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 4: For the third marathon being at the World Championships.

697
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I like take a step back, my marathon

698
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: choices have been interesting and I haven't really given myself

699
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: like too many softballs. Like the Houston course was like

700
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: not particularly difficult, but it was like twenty degrees and

701
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: super windy in a day that a lot of people

702
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: that were in that race said, like was not a

703
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: PB day because it was below freezing and we had

704
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: this big headwind. And I was unbothered supposedly, So I

705
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: definitely am not bothered by the cold. But between like

706
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: the extreme cold now the extreme heat, and then Boston.

707
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: I just I would recommend someday. I feel like I've

708
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: still just have so so much to learn. But I've

709
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: learned a lot from each marathon, but they've all been

710
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: so different. I think, I mean, I don't have the

711
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: answer right this second, but I need to figure out

712
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: what I've learned from each and put them all together

713
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: into something I can use on any course, on any day,

714
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: in any marathon, because right now, like I learned a

715
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: lot about myself in every single race I've done, but

716
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: they've all been so different. It's like I don't know,

717
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how to apply like this to that

718
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: because it either doesn't matter or it's so different. But

719
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: like you said, yesterday was like a huge win mentally.

720
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: I was talking to Does about it last night. Just

721
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: it's really really easy to kind of get sucked into

722
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: that like dnfing cycle, and I don't want to be

723
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: that person.

724
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 2: I like can't be that person.

725
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: It doesn't jive with the athlete I want to be,

726
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: and like the future I see for myself. You know,

727
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: it's a bump in the road, but I think I

728
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 1: conquered that and I think that'll be huge going forward.

729
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: So you know, the mind's there, and you just need

730
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: the mind and body there on the same day at

731
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: the same time. And I think that's what I'm taking

732
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: away from it.

733
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's absolutely beautiful.

734
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 4: You touched on something that is very helpful and a

735
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 4: part of the process for money, which is the post

736
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 4: race personal debrief, the maybe sitting down, writing down, unpacking

737
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 4: with your coach, whatever that may include. Jess, what does

738
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 4: the post race debrief usually look like for you?

739
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 5: Uh, A lot different than used to.

740
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 6: My coach is super awesome and pretty chill, Like we

741
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 6: just exchange a few celebratory texts back and forth post race.

742
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 6: I think I used to be not the best at

743
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 6: like taking a beat and like celebrating.

744
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 5: Not just like not every race goes well, but.

745
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,959
Speaker 6: Like the block, like you've dedicated three to four months

746
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 6: of like such hard training dedication. We're like training on

747
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 6: a treadmill in a box to get humidity.

748
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 5: We're like in the crappiest weather, Like.

749
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 6: It's you put so much into this, So I think,

750
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 6: no matter what, you have to take a beat and

751
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 6: just be like damn, I like I did that.

752
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 5: But there's always learning, you know, lessons from each race.

753
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 6: I'm sure, I'll take you know, the eleven and a

754
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 6: half hour flight home and like noodle on it.

755
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 5: But for right now, I'm like, I'm I'm kind of just.

756
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 6: Like post race cheer my teammates on mode and not

757
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 6: really thinking too much about it. But I think a

758
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 6: lot of reflection kind of comes when I'm like starting

759
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 6: to build back up again, Like I'll I'll think about

760
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 6: this whole experience, like when I'm finally doing easy jogs

761
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 6: in a few weeks getting.

762
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 5: Back into it.

763
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 6: But no, I think I'm just having so much fun

764
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 6: at this point in my career that it's like I

765
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 6: no matter if it went great or it wasn't the

766
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 6: best day, I take just a beat and then close

767
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 6: the chapter.

768
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: And move on easy jogs in a few weeks maybe three.

769
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 6: But but no, with what Eric has said, I think

770
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 6: you're gonna take so much like I take so much

771
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 6: confidence from the races where uh, it wasn't perfect and

772
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 6: I wasn't in that flow state, Like I had a

773
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 6: few races where I just especially my first marathon, I

774
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 6: think about that race gives me so much confidence because

775
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 6: everything went wrong and I You're going to be so

776
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 6: much stronger for today, Like finishing and doing it on

777
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 6: the stage like that is insane, and I both of

778
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 6: these guys, it's like.

779
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 5: We're just gonna keep trekking along Susanna.

780
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 6: It's lining up in seven weeks and we'll be cheering

781
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 6: for her there and then we've got teammates run in Chicago.

782
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 5: So Hamster wheel keeps going, Hamster.

783
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 3: Will keeps going.

784
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 4: I love what Erica mentioned also about having that opportunity

785
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 4: to sync with Dez, another Brooks athlete, on the experience

786
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 4: and kind of processing everything. What has it been like

787
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 4: for the three of you to have des in your corner,

788
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 4: someone that has seriously competed on the world stage many

789
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 4: times before.

790
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 6: I'll speak to Dez because she man, she's checked in

791
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 6: on me since I was a beast, Like my first

792
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 6: go at all this and you know, my career the

793
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 6: first time I went pro was in my mind pretty atrocious,

794
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 6: like I just could not stay healthy and it was

795
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 6: really hard for me.

796
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 5: And she always took a point there, like the time out.

797
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 6: Of her day, you know, while we were at altitude,

798
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 6: or she would just check in, send me a DM.

799
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 6: We weren't like texting buddies at that point, we weren't

800
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 6: on texting terms yet but then you know, I kind

801
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 6: of fell off the face of the earth and then

802
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 6: started running again, and she's she's still reached out. And

803
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 6: then Orlando is always a race where I like, I

804
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 6: always think of Does because there was like one hairpin

805
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 6: turn on that course, you know, looped course, and going

806
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 6: into the final.

807
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 5: Turn, she's like, you're you can do it.

808
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 6: Like she basically just said like you got this, like

809
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 6: you got it, and like shot, you know, pointed at

810
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 6: me from across the course, and I was just like damn, Like,

811
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 6: Does took time out of her own race when we're

812
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 6: all suffering to like just give me, shoot me some

813
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 6: positive words of encouragement, you know. And since then it's

814
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 6: just been like, really cool to have her in my corner.

815
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 4: She's I mean, she's a VET. So yeah, it's pretty awesome.

816
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 4: The finger guns will get you going for sure. Susanna,

817
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 4: what's your experience been like both with having Dez as

818
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 4: a mentor and maybe other mentors within the sport helping

819
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 4: you navigate your way forward?

820
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, Does is great. I feel like she offers such

821
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 7: incredible perspective. When I was sharing with with Erka yesterday

822
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 7: after the race, that Mike. You know, after Budapest, which

823
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 7: did not go well for me two years agot the

824
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 7: World Championships, my coach had, you know, some some words

825
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 7: of encouragement that I think helped me kind of bounce

826
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 7: back and have a great day at Chicago the next

827
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 7: time I lined up for a marathon. And I think

828
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 7: Dez has been that for me several times, like when

829
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 7: race's hamn't gone well, She's just she's known the right

830
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 7: thing to say, and that comes from having been there.

831
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's great.

832
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, And again hearing you reiterate and kind of touch

833
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 4: back on that experience you had in Budapest.

834
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 3: When you hear that, what does that make you think?

835
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 3: Right now?

836
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: It makes me look forward to the next.

837
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 3: Championships, the next World Chips.

838
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 5: Yeah.

839
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: I mean bouncing back like that would be pretty sick.

840
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: So if that's the playbook, it is possible.

841
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 4: Hinted at the post race celebration, What did that look

842
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 4: like for the three of you? What happened immediately following,

843
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 4: and then what happened as the day went on, Eric,

844
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 4: I'll start with you.

845
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: Immediately following was a lot of stillness and a lot

846
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: of water.

847
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: I just like it was unwell, like very unwell.

848
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 5: Well, we first of all got naked and changed in

849
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 5: one together.

850
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 3: All athletes from all countries.

851
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 6: Just yeah, like here's your changing room and you walk

852
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 6: in and it's just an open room.

853
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were prepared for people to be ill.

854
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 4: Yes, people are like screaming because things are chafed that

855
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 4: have never been changed before.

856
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 6: At that point, you don't care about anything. I'm like,

857
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 6: I shot get out of these clothes.

858
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

859
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: It was the most wow. I don't know what the

860
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: right word is for, like that marathon finish I mean,

861
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole like the

862
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: finish line and there's not a ton of people like

863
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: greeting you when you finish after marathon and you're like

864
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to faint, and then there was like not

865
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people there. They but then there's like

866
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: someone who asked you if you're okay, and you're like

867
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: deliriously like yeah, and then they make you walk up

868
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: and down like three sets of stairs before you're allowed

869
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: to sit down. So after that, I went back to

870
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: the hotel and just sat down for a few hours,

871
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: and then eventually like ate food and we had like

872
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: a happy hour, which like I rallied for but then

873
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: after happy hour, I was like, I I'm not doing well.

874
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: But then we saw a shake shack and shake Shack

875
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: is my haven. So we had that and then I

876
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: went to bed.

877
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: What's the order?

878
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 1: The classic like single shack burger and then chicken bites,

879
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: no fries, and then small shake no fries.

880
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 2: Well, chicken bites instead of fries. Protein.

881
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 4: I understand them protein, but I'm thinking no water in

882
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 4: my body and eat so much salt.

883
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: Give it to me, but I appreciate it. I appreciate milkshake.

884
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 4: You said, yeah, oh good, Yeah good, Okay, what was

885
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 4: your post race?

886
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 6: Like Jess, I had eleven members in my family come out,

887
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 6: which is crazy. I think Tokyo was on a lot

888
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 6: of people's bucket list, so they came out. My niece

889
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 6: was their little little dotty, so we I think.

890
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 5: Well. We got back to the hotel room and I

891
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 5: had to brush my hair.

892
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 6: For about forty minutes just standing under the hot shower

893
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 6: with a whole bottle of conditioner. Yeah, I thought I

894
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 6: was gonna have a shaved head. Kind of showing up

895
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 6: today was that bad?

896
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 5: I was dressed out. I almost called Erica.

897
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 6: She's like don't brush it from the top, and Connor's like,

898
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 6: we got to brush it from the top, and like

899
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 6: Erica said not to brush.

900
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 5: It from the top.

901
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: I had actually like kind of envision.

902
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 6: I'm like Erica told me not to so once. Yeah,

903
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 6: and then we just kind of chilled. We went out.

904
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 6: I'll be hanging with the Brooks team tonight. But I

905
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 6: we finally got a reservation big enough to accommodate a

906
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 6: group of ten loud Americans and a baby. So I

907
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 6: went out with my family, had some Chinese, no, we

908
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 6: did barbecue and had some Japanese beer finally, and then

909
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 6: I went to the track, watched fifteen's and tens and

910
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 6: watched valwin again, finally got her World Championship title.

911
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 5: So it was it was a good night.

912
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: A moment of panic briefly went through my body when

913
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 4: you said you went to the I was like, why

914
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 4: this one's in the pool today.

915
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're all.

916
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: Going to that one was in the pool yesterday to that.

917
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 3: Wild did you swim? You swim after the marathon yesterday.

918
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's a little bit so talk to us.

919
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: About your post race, Susannah.

920
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 7: You know, I talked to my coach for a little

921
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 7: bit on the phone, so that was good. And then

922
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 7: we walked over to where Brooks. It was kind of

923
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 7: there was a little gathering after and I had a

924
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 7: little bit of lunch. I had some French fries. That

925
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 7: was key.

926
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 3: I could be your favorite.

927
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 7: Yeah okay, and then uh yeah we went back. Also,

928
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 7: you know, ripped out a good amount of hair trying

929
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 7: to get the tangles out. And yeah, I went to

930
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 7: the pool. It was lovely, felt good.

931
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: How much in the pool, like thirty for thirty minutes.

932
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone for those at home, everyone.

933
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 4: In the room looked at each other like one of

934
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 4: my why am I superhuman today?

935
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was hard to find the clock, so it

936
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 7: might have been a little over, but yeah, it was.

937
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 7: I mean going to the pools here has been just

938
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 7: like a fascinating cultural experience because it's just so different

939
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 7: from at home, and it's like very consistent with the

940
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 7: things that you and that we've noticed kind of walking.

941
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: Around like very tidy, very quiet.

942
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 7: Everything is very quiet, even the lifeguards, like when there's

943
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 7: a problem, there's like no whistle blowing. There's like a

944
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 7: lot of like handwaving. So it's been Yeah, it's been cool.

945
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 7: And then we went back and yeah, I got ready

946
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 7: to go have drinks with the Brooks crew and my

947
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 7: aunt and uncle were in town out for Indian after

948
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 7: because I can say that I've never had Indian food

949
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 7: the day before a race. But I'm allergic to shellfish

950
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 7: and I don't eat pork, So trying to figure out

951
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 7: what I can eat here it's been an adventure. And

952
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 7: we discovered that cheese non which like had non with

953
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 7: cheese on it at home, but like it's baked into

954
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 7: the inside of it. It's basically like an inverted pizza.

955
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 7: It's incredible, Like every day leading up to the marathon,

956
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 7: I had some more of that last night, and yeah,

957
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 7: then I was Then I went to the stadium, saw

958
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 7: the tail end of the fifteen's, the the ten k

959
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 7: and then the hundreds and the long jump finals. So

960
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 7: it was an exciting night, a sweaty night at the track.

961
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 7: It was it was pretty steamy in the stadium, but

962
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 7: it was just a good day of celebrating and I'm

963
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 7: I'm excited to be home and you know, celebrate with

964
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 7: you know, the kids at school and the coach and

965
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 7: my coach coaches at George Mason University, and so that

966
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 7: the team had a watch party and the got a

967
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 7: whole bunch of texts from them. They can't wait to celebrate.

968
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 7: So yeah, I'm excited to celebrate with them too.

969
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 3: If I recall, is it back to school night next week?

970
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 2: Thursday night?

971
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 3: Okay?

972
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be kind of compiling my thoughts

973
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 7: and slides and stuff on the flight on the way back,

974
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 7: I think, And yeah, I'm just not even sure what

975
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 7: to expect body clockwise for you know, being kind of

976
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 7: coherent on Thursday night.

977
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna give it a go.

978
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 7: If I'm not super eloquent, I mean, I'm the math teacher,

979
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 7: not the language art teacher. So they can just roll

980
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 7: with it.

981
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 5: They will roll with it.

982
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 2: I'm sure.

983
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's some grace to be had for sure.

984
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 4: You know, we started off this chat today talking about

985
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 4: what you all thought success would feel like in Tokyo.

986
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 4: Now that you have checked it off the list that

987
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 4: you all have ran at a World Championships, what would

988
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 4: you say was the most successful part of yesterday for you?

989
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 6: I would say like going for it and then just

990
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 6: sticking it out, hanging tough when it got really really hard.

991
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 6: But I think ultimately too is just really embracing like

992
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 6: the whole experience and being more curious and like excited

993
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 6: about what was going to happen, and not worry about

994
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 6: all of the things that were out of our control,

995
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 6: the weather, the you know, just being in a different

996
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 6: culture in a different country. I think, just yeah, full

997
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 6: sending and what is what's that saying? It's like shoot

998
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 6: for the moon even if you don't, Yeah, land amongst

999
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 6: the star's worst case scenario.

1000
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 5: So I think I think I did that.

1001
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 6: But honestly, just like watching Susannah have that day in

1002
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 6: Redemption was probably top notch.

1003
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it counts, but yeah,

1004
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: what Jess said, like I will never forget like seeing

1005
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: Susannah like twenty meters ahead of the race but looking

1006
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: so unbelievably confident, Like it was like an insanely contagious

1007
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: amount of confidence.

1008
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 2: Like it looked so right, she looked so good.

1009
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: I was just like I will never forget that picture,

1010
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: Like it is a poster in my brain. The like

1011
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: redemption arc she's been on since Budapest has been so

1012
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: scary in like the best way, just like coming back

1013
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: with such a vengeance, like give this girl two kneecaps and.

1014
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 5: Like literally what I saw on the top of the world.

1015
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, seeing the comeback from you know, two

1016
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: summers ago to Chicago to now just like the rise,

1017
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, like truly a phoenix, like in the flames. Like, oh,

1018
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: it's been incredible and like just to see it come

1019
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: full circle was definitely a highlight.

1020
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 3: Susannah, how does that make you feel?

1021
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: She's incredible.

1022
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 7: It's been like just I mean, it's been the honor

1023
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 7: of the life of a lifetime to you know, to

1024
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 7: have the support of Brooks and to like you know,

1025
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 7: have them you know, hands and pulled me into the

1026
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 7: fold two years ago, and then like to have this

1027
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 7: opportunity to go into a World Championships where like yeah, okay,

1028
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 7: we're all Team USA, but there was just like a

1029
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 7: deeper level of feeling like team camaraderie, this whole experience,

1030
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 7: the whole build, the whole time being here, you know,

1031
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 7: just like riding together, you know, to the practice track

1032
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 7: and doing runs this past week and just I think

1033
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 7: feeling like we had each other's backs out there. There

1034
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 7: was a lot of communication yesterday morning. It's it's just

1035
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 7: been incredible. I mean, like I I wasn't an All

1036
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 7: American in college. I desperately wanted to contribute to my

1037
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 7: college team. And I mean, I would like to think

1038
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 7: that I did, like vibes wise, but like I'm like, I.

1039
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I think I was. Maybe It's just.

1040
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 7: Like I just took everything so seriously. I was like

1041
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 7: maybe a little too intense. I didn't allow myself to

1042
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 7: recover and you know, just really have fun with it.

1043
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 7: So to be here and to feel like I had

1044
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 7: the opportunity to contribute to this this thing that we

1045
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 7: were doing as a Brooks trio was just super meaningful

1046
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 7: to me. And it's just like, guess been an incredible

1047
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 7: ride and stuff.

1048
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 4: Knowing what you know now being in this seat here

1049
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 4: in Tokyo today, when you think about the woman that

1050
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 4: was walking away, maybe limping away from the marathon in Budapest,

1051
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 4: what would you tell her now.

1052
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,959
Speaker 7: Like you won't regret trying to, you know, to get back.

1053
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 7: I walked away desperately wanting another chance. We have a

1054
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 7: magnet on our refrigerator at home that's like this little

1055
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 7: it's like a half dollar size like porcelain thing. And

1056
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 7: we walked into a like a gift shop on the

1057
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 7: way back to the hotel and Budapest and my like

1058
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 7: everything buffled around my knee and I fell into this

1059
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 7: whole display of these porcelain magnets and so like we

1060
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 7: bought the ones that we broke, and you know, I

1061
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 7: my husband always jokes that, like, you know, it came

1062
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 7: back a little bit chipped from from Budapest. So it

1063
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 7: feels good to not be leaving Tokyo, you know, help

1064
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 7: feeling health, of feeling good and you know, excited about

1065
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 7: how much better this one went.

1066
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 4: I love to hear it. We know, New York in

1067
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 4: seven weeks for this one. What are you two looking

1068
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 4: forward to now? And it does not have to.

1069
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 3: Do with running.

1070
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to honestly, I'll probably spend most of

1071
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: my time off in the city.

1072
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: So come on, yeah, over, I'll be down there this weekend.

1073
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 3: Let's go. Okay, she's hanging out in New York, Jess,

1074
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 3: what are you looking forward to?

1075
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, it's like being home.

1076
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 6: We moved early June, and I think I've slept in

1077
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 6: my bed like fifteen nights since then with altitude training

1078
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 6: and racing and everything, so just being home. And then

1079
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 6: I have my fifteen year high school reunion in a

1080
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 6: few weeks, so I plan that with a few friends,

1081
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 6: which will be really fun, and then I might potentially

1082
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 6: go to Chicago to cheer on some marathonors there.

1083
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 5: Scope it out.

1084
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 6: Maybe for next year, but yeah, I'm going to take

1085
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 6: I have not really taken a beat.

1086
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 5: Since Orlando, so I'm going to take a few weeks.

1087
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, just enjoy the fam and finally some some ninety

1088
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 6: nine degree days in Phoenix.

1089
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 4: So yeah, I know we're all looking forward to being

1090
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 4: a little bit cooler than we are right now for sure. Well,

1091
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 4: I am amazed and inspired by you and honored to

1092
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 4: sit next to you. I can say, on behalf of

1093
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 4: all of America, thank you, thank you, thank you. The

1094
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 4: showing that we saw yesterday was truly like a once

1095
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 4: in a lifetime thing. So congratulations to all three of

1096
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 4: you for your stellar performances yesterday. And I know that

1097
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Speaker 4: this is still just the beginning and there's so much

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Speaker 4: more good to be had. Thank you for sitting down

1099
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Speaker 4: with us here. You know what we say on the show.

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Speaker 4: Another hurdle conquered to the Brooks family. Thanks for having us,

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Speaker 4: and ladies.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. ADI got too