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Speaker 3: Hey, welcome to another episode of the black Out Tous podcast.

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Speaker 3: doing the show live in Charlotte, North Carolina. But you

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Speaker 1: We get it after the show. Be part of the

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Speaker 1: high jinks and stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'll probably be drinking and stuff, so I wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: able to follow it anyway. And of course the official

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Speaker 3: bulletball Extreme. I'll concentrate on network with no further ado. Guys,

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Speaker 3: we're not here alone. It's y'all listening later. Are seeing

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Speaker 1: We have guests.

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Speaker 3: Okay, they've never been on our show before, but these

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Speaker 3: are two of my favorite guys. I've really gotten cool

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Speaker 3: tight with them in the last like a year or so.

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Speaker 3: They are the hosts of the MC University podcast. It's

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Speaker 3: from Man Anthony Canton the Third and Jake Christy.

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 4: Fellas another match?

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Speaker 5: Happy to be able to turn the favor and come

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Speaker 5: on your show for once, Yeah, man.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, same here, man. It's a pleasure to be on

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Speaker 6: with you guys. And Rod those kind words were very nice,

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Speaker 6: and it's it's felt the same honestly over the past year.

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Speaker 6: I'm close to now. Yeah, we've been hanging out almost

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Speaker 6: virtually every week. It's pretty fun.

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Speaker 3: As always happens, it's a reverse thing in my brain.

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Speaker 3: When I get cool with people, it actually I forget

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Speaker 3: that I can always invite them here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know nothing like such and such a

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Speaker 2: but like, oh yeah I do need because talking to

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Speaker 2: already talked to them? Yeah, I haven't been in our house.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, if I want to talk to them, I'll

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Speaker 3: just text them or DM them or that will talk

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Speaker 3: on their podcast or something that I'm like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: I have a podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty popular. It could spread the word. It can help.

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Speaker 3: So first of all, let me ask you something I've

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Speaker 3: never asked y'all before. How did y'all meet and decide

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Speaker 6: You can tell a story.

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Speaker 5: So we were all like side like kind of like

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Speaker 5: that eventually became like the levers of the chat and

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Speaker 5: ended up in a group chat of like people who

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Speaker 5: and on that Ac was talking about wanting to rewatch

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Speaker 5: all of the MCU movies before Infinity War, and he

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Speaker 5: said he was gonna do just one pod on all

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Speaker 5: and I think that, like, I don't think that we

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Speaker 4: Year eight or seven?

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Speaker 6: This year year seven? Year seven just passed because we're

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Speaker 3: That's crazy, man, the Internet making people be friends, bringing

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Speaker 2: And it's almost like sometimes you feel ancient because you're

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Speaker 2: telling people, y'all, you say no, no, no.

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Speaker 3: Y'all were so like nerd nerdy into this type of

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Speaker 3: like that's kind of sports centric. And then and you

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Speaker 6: I think for me, I'll say more so in that chat,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it was important that that that was established,

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Speaker 3: I think it's interesting too because you guys come along

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Speaker 4: Not at all. I think there's one thing.

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Speaker 3: definitely a part of nerd and that's why we actually

440
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,439
Speaker 3: when we started our spin off show, I named it

441
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 3: the Nerd Off because I thought the Nerd Off is

442
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 3: the funniest, most annoying thing about being a nerd. It's

443
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 3: you know, you go to the eb eb games or

444
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 3: GameStop or whatever and you're like, oh, man, I want

445
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 3: to get a Final Fantasy six and it's like, oh

446
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 3: I Final Fantasy six, not OK the Path Traveler, and

447
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 3: it's like, I just want to buy a game.

448
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 1: Bro, We're not This ain't a competition. I don't need

449
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 1: to prove to you how how staunching this.

450
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 3: But a lot of dudes approached it that way, and

451
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 3: so the irony of naming the show that was that, well,

452
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 3: we're not gonna do that.

453
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna just have a fun time.

454
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Speaker 3: And I feel like you guys are kindred spirits and

455
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 3: that I typically don't go on people shows to talk

456
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 3: nerved stuff unless, like I feel like it's a positive

457
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 3: vibe because I don't want to be there and have.

458
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 1: To fight for my life every week.

459
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 3: I don't want to, like, if some motherfucker brings up

460
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Speaker 3: de I to me or some shit in a serious way,

461
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 3: I don't even probably end up cutting them out, like

462
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,679
Speaker 3: you just you know, and that, and it's become like

463
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 3: a thing like it used to be, like a, oh,

464
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Speaker 3: this is like a joke or something like you might

465
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Speaker 3: bring that up to be funny, but like, uh, like

466
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Speaker 3: I saw today you gotta share a clip where y'all

467
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 3: guys had a guest from last year that made a

468
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 3: joke about uh de I and and and and Captain

469
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 3: America as as Sam Wilson and.

470
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Speaker 1: Like, but they were right.

471
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 3: But there were people who who were actually saying that

472
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 3: ship today because because Anthony Mackie. I'll show the interview

473
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Speaker 3: in a second, but Anthony Mackie answered the interview question.

474
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Speaker 3: And there were people that actually in all four earnesty

475
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Speaker 3: were like, get.

476
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Speaker 1: This d ship off of mind fucking TV or whatever.

477
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 3: And it's like I that you have to almost be

478
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 3: vigilant about making sure that doesn't infiltrate your space and

479
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 3: I and I appreciate that from you guys because It's

480
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 3: not a conversation we ever had.

481
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: I just picked picked up on the vibes.

482
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 3: I listened to the show before I got on and stuff,

483
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh cool, these guys have carved

484
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 3: out of space of like you can still be critical

485
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,719
Speaker 3: but have fun and and the ultimate goal is that

486
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 3: we're still here to have fun and fellowship about something

487
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 3: we and we love, whether we're mocking it or whether

488
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 3: we're praising it. But it's the spirit is like one

489
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 3: of camaraderie, communal spirit around this this thing we like.

490
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 3: And I think that's so important and I applaud you

491
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 3: guys for being able to do that.

492
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Speaker 6: Well, thank you, thank you. I think the cool I

493
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 6: think the coolest thing about what everything that you just

494
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 6: said is that me and Jake never had to have

495
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 6: a conversation about it. It just happened. It just happens

496
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 6: as as is. I've always felt like, especially as this

497
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 6: nerd thing has kind of gotten out of control in

498
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 6: the past few years, is that there is a way

499
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,479
Speaker 6: to do this. And you just noticed that everybody is

500
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 6: looking for listen, people trying to make money, people trying

501
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 6: to people trying to get seen and noticed in all

502
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 6: different types of ways. So I understand the level of

503
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 6: desperation when you talk about somebody that you see a

504
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 6: YouTube with somebody with the big old face being mad

505
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 6: about somebody in Star Wars.

506
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 5: Sequel trilogy was bad Laura during Kelly, Marie Tran and

507
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 5: Daisy Riddy behind.

508
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 6: Them with all that going on, you know, it's it's

509
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 6: the easy I think the easiest thing for people to

510
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 6: do is that to lean into being awful the harder thing,

511
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 6: and I quite honestly the more fulfilling thing, at least

512
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 6: for me, and I feel like for Jake is Man.

513
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 6: We're just here to have a good time. We're here

514
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 6: to enjoy the stuff that we love, and if there's

515
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 6: stuff that we don't love, there's a way that we

516
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,719
Speaker 6: could talk about it and have fun. You mentioned the

517
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,959
Speaker 6: Mackie thing and poor guy had to post an Instagram

518
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Speaker 6: story hour ago.

519
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, we're gonna get into that. SA Save that

520
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 3: for later. Save that for later, because I got a

521
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 3: few more questions. I want to throw y'all away before

522
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 3: we get to that.

523
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Speaker 1: Jake, what were you going to say?

524
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Speaker 5: You just I want to say that I think that

525
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 5: the vibe that we started to go for and this

526
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 5: way I feel about podcasting generally.

527
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 4: I think when people unless you're.

528
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 5: An absolute expert in something, I think the vibe you

529
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 5: want to try to cultivate is that people want to

530
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 5: feel like they're hanging out with you, having the conversation.

531
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 5: And like, if we were to do the whole like

532
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 5: complaining about this, that, and the other, like that might

533
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 5: be more popular or whatever, but that's not what I

534
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 5: would want to listen to it. I don't want to

535
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 5: listen to people be that angry about something, right, and

536
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 5: ideally we are the conversation because when you have a

537
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 5: conversation with about a movie with your friends off of

538
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 5: a podcast, it goes to positive, critical, wasn't your critical,

539
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 5: You make jokes, it makes serious. Real conversations can be

540
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 5: all of those things, and so I think that like

541
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 5: trying to box yourself into one of those is just

542
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 5: like that's just not how conversations work. We want to

543
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 5: we want, especially with these big movies. When there's a

544
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 5: movie comes out, it's like I want in some ways,

545
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 5: and this is gonna sound super self aggrandizing, but.

546
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 4: I want some ways.

547
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 5: When you listen to our pod about a new movie,

548
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, I'm gonna hang out with my friends

549
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 5: for a little bit and listen about the movie.

550
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Speaker 1: That's about exactly.

551
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 3: I also think it's kind of interesting too, because when

552
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 3: you start with an angle of like I ain't I

553
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 3: don't like this, you just end up having to not

554
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 3: like everything because that is your angle, Like your angle

555
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 3: isn't I'm being honest or whatever your angle is, like,

556
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 3: let me tell you everything that's wrong. Like I know

557
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 3: they've kind of adjusted over your times, but like I

558
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 3: used to never watch those videos that were like everything

559
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 3: wrong about this movie or yeah, and I know it

560
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 3: was snarky and it was supposed to be funny, but

561
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 3: it was like, but dog, sometimes movies just be good.

562
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 5: Like Yeah, I think that they taught I can say

563
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 5: this as someone the youngest person here. They taught the

564
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 5: entire generation how to watch movies wrong. I think it's

565
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 5: really like been bad for the way that people my

566
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 5: age and younger consume movies.

567
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Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, you could feel it.

568
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: I agree because the way that I consume movies, I'm like, Okay,

569
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 2: I will allow the director to have their vision, Like

570
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 2: I almost kind of going like Rogers say, go into

571
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: the drift empty your mind's empty, and go, Okay, what

572
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: are you presenting to me? And based off of what

573
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: I see then kind of critique and make my own

574
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: decisions off that experience. But because online online likes to

575
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 2: come in and kind of infiltrate, so people kind of

576
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: come in with what they preconceived things about what the

577
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 2: internet said or the arms folded. Some people won't even

578
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: go see it certain things based off of what they also.

579
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: Like to That's one of the reason I like to

580
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: see my movies on Thursday before everyone else.

581
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: The first thing smoking sometimes Winstiff it come out on

582
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: winds and we was like we didre.

583
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 3: I just like to watch a movie and not have

584
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 3: the conversation that's happening online in the back of my

585
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: head one way or the other. I just like to

586
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: like walk out of the theater. And sometimes it's really

587
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 3: it's actually more. It's actually funny sometimes watching a movie

588
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: on like a Thursday, not having heard anyone's opinion, whatever

589
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: your opinion is, and then seeing the deluge of opinions

590
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 3: come in and being like, you know, sometimes it's like

591
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: Donald Glover with the pizza, you know, walking into the community, uh,

592
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: with everything's on fire, where you're like, oh shit, I

593
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: like that, Okay, well, just backing out, you guys, enjoy

594
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: your conversation.

595
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: Y'all got it now, I will say we brought up

596
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: we brought up mc U and DCU for a second.

597
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 3: MCU is definitely like winning or whatever one quote unquote

598
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 3: whatever you want to put it. But like, I'm actually

599
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 3: really fucking hopeful about this James gun DCEU stuff, James

600
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 3: Gunn I was looking at his resume the other day.

601
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 3: I forget what. Oh I watched Creature Commandos, the animated

602
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: version on my Max and I was like, as I'm finishing,

603
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 3: and I'm like, this motherfucker, don't.

604
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: Miss his show. I think I've enjoyed everything this dude

605
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 1: is done.

606
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: Like I was just going through the like I had

607
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: to go to IMDb. It's like that was that was

608
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 3: one for me. That was one of the ones I

609
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 3: fucked with that. And so I'm already seeing from just

610
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 3: a teaser trailer of Superman. It's not even like the

611
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: full fucking trailer, but like they put out like a

612
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: new Tree teaser and it has like two seconds of

613
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 3: Superman flying at the end, and they've already started the YouTube.

614
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: Face like this is gonna be some bullshit.

615
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: Campaign against James gun who's supposed to be the man.

616
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 3: Like some of these people are the MC used the problem.

617
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: We just need a pure white arian Superman back on

618
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 3: screen to get America great again. And they're like, look

619
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: at how he's flying. They can't even enjoy the thing

620
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: they said they wanted.

621
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Speaker 1: That's true, Like I said, yeah, go ahead, sweetie.

622
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 5: Oh that it's it's the it's the cinema sans vacation

623
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 5: of movies. People think that you can a movie is

624
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 5: good or bad based on like things you can observe

625
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 5: about it that they're looking for, like a fault to

626
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 5: find in the movie. And because they think that like, oh,

627
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 5: we need.

628
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 4: Is a person to save the DCU.

629
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 5: But like because their entire posture is just reactive, they

630
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 5: can never be satisfied because also especially because like James

631
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 5: Gunn is not an anti woke crusader or whatever.

632
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 4: He's by all accounts, are very fuwful guy.

633
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 6: The first it's the first takeification of everything. Especially comic

634
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 6: book media has gone through a heavy, heavy version of

635
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 6: that over the past few years, where everything is just

636
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 6: analyzed and pinpointed and poked that like it's it's kind

637
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 6: of it's kind of like amazing to see how it's

638
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 6: evolved over the past couple of years. I mean, just

639
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 6: something as simple as that. It's like a Marvel trailer,

640
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 6: like the Daredevil trailer came out a couple of weeks

641
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 6: ago and people were talking about color grading. It's like, what, right,

642
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 6: I saw somebody's I saw somebody a bow sticking out

643
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 6: of somebody's arm, was beating somebody's ass, and that's what

644
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 6: I care about.

645
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, this ain't cool. This ain't cool to you.

646
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 6: Like, it's not light, it's not run enough, it's too dark,

647
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 6: it's too light. It's like dog, come on.

648
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy. But you're you are right. That is

649
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 3: how it is. What you're gonna say, You're gonna say.

650
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: Two things number one.

651
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: For the first time in a long time, and I

652
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: can speak for myself. I got really excited about Superman,

653
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: like like just just just anything coming kind of coming

654
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: out of that camp, like live action movies, because when

655
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: he whistled and Crypto showed up as somebody who loves

656
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: the cartoons, I was like, Oh, they're doing the Dog.

657
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: And I know for a lot of people who might

658
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: not even know who the fuck Cryptoi is, like the

659
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 2: fuck is the dog doing here? But for me, I

660
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, they doing a dog and it was like, Oh,

661
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: this is gonna be laughing. So in my mind I

662
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: was like, somebody took the time, like he actually cared

663
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: about the material.

664
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: If that makes sense, well hold your second point for

665
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: a second.

666
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 3: But that's what I like about James Gun is that

667
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: he likes the silly shit. Yes, like all the Suicide Squad,

668
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: all the Creature Commandos, and he does, but he takes

669
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 3: the silly shit seriously, Like same thing with The Gardens

670
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: of the Galaxy, the Silliest.

671
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: Fucking comic book.

672
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: I remember when they announced that movie we were talking

673
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 3: about on the nerd Off and I was like, this

674
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: is the Steph Curry heat check of the MCU. This

675
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: is them being like, look at these fucking weirdos. I

676
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: know you none of you heard of them. You didn't

677
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: read those fucking books. And yes, the talking raccoon promising

678
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 3: from Parks and Records, the lead dealing, Yeah, and and

679
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: I promise you it's gonna fucking blow your socks off,

680
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: and you're like, we'll see MCU.

681
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: But they did three times.

682
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: In a row, so like absolutely, That's one of the

683
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: things about James gun Is. When I saw Crypto, I

684
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: was like, this is dope, and it also I don't

685
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: know what his plans are, obviously, but I've been saying

686
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 3: this shit for a few years now. I would love

687
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: to see someone go sillier with Batman too. I think

688
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 3: there's a We've been so fucking serious with Batman. He

689
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 3: has no fucking sidekicks. He's always like, fucking you got.

690
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: A whole ass family.

691
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 3: My parents died, My parents died, and I'm gonna fuck

692
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 3: y'all up. I'm giving concussions day Port and got them,

693
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 3: and I'm like, but there's like a mirth to to

694
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: Batman that's just been absent for about ten fifteen years now.

695
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: James Gunn might be I'm not saying he is.

696
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: I don't know what his plans are, but he could

697
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 3: be the one to be like, no, man, give this motherfucker,

698
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 3: give him Damien, give him fucking.

699
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: The bat Family.

700
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: Put night Wing in there, talk about fucking uh, talk

701
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: about Dick Grayson's buns, Like, let's like this shit don't

702
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 3: need to be this fucking serious.

703
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: Guys.

704
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: And as a fan of the cartoon Batman Beyond, I've

705
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: always said out all the years that y'all been fucking

706
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: talking about and giving us Batman. We have never had

707
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: an old version of Bruce Wayne actually teaching somebody in

708
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: the future, like similar to the cartoon.

709
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 3: Well he got that with Michael Keaton and what the

710
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 3: flash that was him he was he was old Batman

711
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: and he was teaching I I know, no, no, no, I'm

712
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: just letting you know, because I know how nerves work.

713
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: Someone was gonna email us. I'm just stopping the emails

714
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 3: to right now. That was a little bit of a

715
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: letting everybody know. We know, we're aware, we did get that,

716
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 3: we didn't like it.

717
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Yeah, And.

718
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: My thing, I specifically won't Batman beyond if that makes it.

719
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: I agree, not what was presented to me.

720
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: I specifically want we in a whole nother place, in

721
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: a whole other world type of thing. And so for me,

722
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: I'm very excited and I feel as though as somebody

723
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 2: who put like this, I root for all of the movies,

724
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: and for some reason, people don't believe you when you

725
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: say that. It's like, no, I root for all of

726
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: the movies I'm watching, and I'm being critical based off

727
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 2: of what.

728
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: I sae I saw.

729
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 3: I'm spending my motherfucking money. Of course I wanted to

730
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 3: be good.

731
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: Right, and that's we normally go see them all.

732
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: And so over time I've been disappointed and been kind

733
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: of hurt, like like like, actually, ask somebody who going

734
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: with this excitement like a kid, because I really do

735
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: enjoy of these movies and so like this is my jam.

736
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: So I'm like, Okay, I want to go in there.

737
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: When I leave, I'm not And I'm like, okay, do

738
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: I even have the faith that y'all are going to

739
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: do what you need to do? And so for the

740
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: first and I can say, for the first time in

741
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: a long time, I'm actually excited. Because I looked at

742
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: Roger with some DC I was like, yeah, I see it,

743
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: but I don't care like like like I had. I

744
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: had to literally separate myself from it because I was like,

745
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: I don't want to go on with these expectations or

746
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: any any expectations. And in my mind, I end up

747
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: being disappointed because of that. And also when we were

748
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: talking about before about people being critical about the critiquing

749
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: and the video boys, it's too many people that forget

750
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: that all this shit is made for kids.

751
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: All of it. The coming books the movies. It was

752
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: adults writing things for children.

753
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 2: Okay, you taking your grown ass adult mind and you're

754
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: analyzing the shit out of it. You're going in, you're

755
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 2: picking everything, you're learning everything in advance.

756
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: You want any crumb and it drops that comes out.

757
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: You know everything about about everything that's coming out because

758
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: you just got to consume everything.

759
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: And then you're disappointed because you already know what.

760
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: You went hunting for it, you went looking for it.

761
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: You set yourself up for disappointment. In my opinion, you

762
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: set yourself up for disappointment versus like me sometimes when

763
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: certain things come off, I would't even stop watching commercials

764
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 2: like like like like once we get to a certain part,

765
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: oh no, two weeks in for some of them, like oh,

766
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: you ain't got to show me another motherfucking thing, I'm

767
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: going to see it.

768
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 6: I think.

769
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 3: Uh, the Internet and living in the information age it

770
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 3: did change fandom in my lifetime because I remember the

771
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 3: first time there was like set photos that weren't from

772
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: the like production, you know, where people are like, oh,

773
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: this guy, this guy in the jacket is here and

774
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: he that must mean he's a cameo. When people come

775
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 3: up with whole theories and and and spoilers things that

776
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 3: can like kind of hurt. Yeah, and then movies set started,

777
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 3: movies and TV sets started adjusting to it. I remember

778
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: like Gamer Thrones putting out fake scripts and shit, but

779
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: cause that's how bad people were spoiling it.

780
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: And it's already based off a fucking book.

781
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 3: But you're like you're you're having to like expend extra

782
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: energy that's not creating for your show, but on like

783
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: creating a myth for people to not spoil your show.

784
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 3: So it definitely changed something. And and there's definitely like

785
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 3: we have opinions now way before we see things set, rumors, reshoots, Uh,

786
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 3: you know our secret guest cast cameos, like uh, storylines,

787
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 3: script rewrites. We know so much shit now that it

788
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: is very much like adults.

789
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also and yeah, also not one more thing.

790
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Sure, what do people got against

791
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: just being surprised? Like I was looking at like like

792
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: like I like to go in and be like, oh shit,

793
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: I didn't know such such a oh shit this happened.

794
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: Like people have this tendency to not.

795
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 3: Want to be so I think people do like surprises,

796
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 3: but we're talking about content. So if I make content.

797
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: Marvel's not coming out with a movie every week, but

798
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 3: there's a set room every week, there is a reshoot,

799
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 3: there's a whisper campaign everywhere, you know, So you want

800
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: to talk about that stuff because it's content, And it

801
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 3: doesn't have to mean.

802
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: You have a podcast or YouTube.

803
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 3: It could just mean I want to go on my

804
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: Twitter and I want to talk to people about it,

805
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 3: and especially ruminating. You know, misery loves company, So if

806
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 3: I'm ruminating over it, like, guys, I saw the thing,

807
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 3: it's not gonna be good. Like there's like a way

808
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 3: of misery bringing in more company.

809
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

810
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: That's what's happening with the Captain America movie. And I'm

811
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: not saying people are wrong. We'll find out when.

812
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: We see it.

813
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: But I've actually avoided much of the discussion about anything

814
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: involved in the movie because I like being surprised and

815
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 3: I and to their credit, Dadpool was the last movie

816
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: that hit me with surprises in it because I didn't

817
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: know all the cameos were happening because I avoided all

818
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 3: that news. And the second I saw fucking Chantatum as Gambit,

819
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 3: like my whole audience went crazy. And part of the

820
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 3: reason that the audience went crazy. In addition, i'm sure

821
00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: being super nerves and then the no.

822
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: But part of the.

823
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 3: Reason anyway it crazy is because they didn't know He's

824
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: coming in this and we did lose something with this

825
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: idea of we need to know everything right away all

826
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: the time, as opposed to just like show me a

827
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 3: movie and then afterwards, I'll be mad or I'll be

828
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: happy or whatever.

829
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: I think.

830
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 5: Really the thing that's at the root of all of this, though,

831
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 5: and I noticed this the most with Star Wars because

832
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 5: of how long Star Wars has been around. So much

833
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 5: of the anger that these angry nerds have about these

834
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 5: properties is that they first got into them when they

835
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 5: were eight years old, and they're mad that they don't

836
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 5: make them feel like they're a anymore. That's really what

837
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 5: it is like, even like obviously it is for kids,

838
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 5: and I think to some extent, like a lot of

839
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 5: things like Star Wars now are made for kids and

840
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 5: like adults, like obviously, because they know that their fan

841
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 5: base has been around forever. And I don't think that

842
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 5: it's for kids as like a way to paper over problems,

843
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 5: because obviously there are good kids movies and bad kids' movies.

844
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 4: But I think what.

845
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 5: These people want is they want the magic that they

846
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 5: felt when they first came in and experience these these things,

847
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 5: and that will never happen again because they're not eight anymore, right,

848
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 5: And I think that, Like, it's why I make an

849
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 5: effort to recommend non franchise superhero movies on the pod

850
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 5: as much as I can, because I'm like, you, what

851
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 5: actually will make you have less pressure on these movies

852
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 5: to make you feel great is if you have like

853
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 5: a wide arriety, Like I don't need Marvel movies to

854
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 5: make me feel like I'm eight years old, because like

855
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 5: I still discover new movies all the time.

856
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 4: Like it's not it's if your.

857
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 5: Entire identity is just being like a Star Wars guy

858
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 5: or a Marvel guy and that's all you consume, then like, yeah,

859
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 5: of course you'll be constantly disappointed because nothing will ever

860
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 5: feel as good as when you were eight and you

861
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 5: got your first big book of comics. So when you're

862
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 5: eight and you first saw you know, Star Wars in

863
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 5: the theater. So, like, I really think that I think

864
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 5: they're actually kind of a big problem that's happened is

865
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 5: that because the market is so saturated with these types

866
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 5: of properties. People like, if you're a big Star Wars

867
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 5: fan in nineteen ninety five, you had to watch the

868
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 5: movies for growing up, so simply was not enough Star

869
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 5: Wars content right to keep.

870
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 4: You completely satiated.

871
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 5: But if all you're consuming is just stuff that is

872
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 5: for like kids and adolescents, I think that really warps

873
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 5: your mind because like you're not there's nothing wrong with

874
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 5: consuming these things as an adult. I think it, Well,

875
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 5: you consume then like you are just putting yourself in

876
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 5: arrested development, and of course you're gonna have bad emotional reactions.

877
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 5: You're consuming the content of an eight year old when

878
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 5: you're thirty seven.

879
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, you know. Doing a little bit of

880
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 6: entertainment journalism in the last couple of years for a

881
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 6: brief spell, like actually doing a press because I did

882
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 6: Cheung Chi where I interviewed a couple of the cast members,

883
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 6: and one of the things that was told to me

884
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 6: before I did the interview was, oh, ask a specific

885
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 6: question about like what's happened in the next movie or

886
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 6: the next movie, And I felt like, so it felt

887
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 6: so disarming in the sense that I would like to

888
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 6: ask something more about, like how you felt about this

889
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 6: or character character choice, what interested you? And I felt

890
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 6: like when I because it was Jail, the woman who

891
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 6: plays Ji laying Sean, she's sister, where I was asking

892
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 6: her those questions in the first couple of minutes, and

893
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 6: you could tell she wasn't she wasn't going to it,

894
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 6: and then I and then I felt like, all right,

895
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 6: you know what, let me go to.

896
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 3: How And often and often they don't know the answer, right,

897
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: like if, Like it's so funny now, especially saying that

898
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 3: movie in particular, it's so funny to be asking those actors, like,

899
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 3: what's the plan for you guys after this, knowing that

900
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: we're we fast forward it past the blink and the

901
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 3: snap and and like there doesn't seem to have been

902
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: many plans for those characters, and so it's like we

903
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: were all excited, we enjoyed this movie, and now we're

904
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: asking you about your future employment that no one's talked

905
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 3: to you about in five fucking years.

906
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, that is pretty fucked up, and wow.

907
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 5: It's it's it's you really can tell too. I watched

908
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 5: a lot of celebrity interviews as a thing, even before

909
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 5: I started doing this podcast.

910
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: I love late interviews. I love joing interviews, and you

911
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 4: can just.

912
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 5: Tell when an interviewer asked a question about like the

913
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 5: future or like or about like what a thing that

914
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 5: could be a spoiler?

915
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 4: The energy just drops out of the room. You're asking

916
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 4: me a question.

917
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 5: Not only can I not say, but you're you are

918
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 5: not engaging with me as a person. You're engaging me

919
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 5: at engaging with me as someone to get content to

920
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 5: get a headline.

921
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if I was an actor, I'd be like,

922
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 4: fuck you.

923
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 5: I'm sitting in front of you, like, talk to me

924
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 5: about things that I can answer. The person you want

925
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 5: to ask these questions who is not in the room right,

926
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 5: I'm an actor?

927
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 4: Why do how do I know what the character is

928
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 4: going to do in the future.

929
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 5: Yes, and so, I mean we haven't had a ton

930
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 5: of opportunities to interview like people who have worked on

931
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 5: this stuff. But I know the three or four times

932
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 5: they've done it, we've never once asked, unless it's a

933
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 5: creative person, We've never once asked what the next thing

934
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 5: is because like that other people can do that.

935
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 4: We might get more quicks if you do that. I

936
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 4: don't care.

937
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 5: We want to know about what we're reflecting on in

938
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 5: the same way that, like, if you were to see

939
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 5: an actor on the street, you will probably ask them

940
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 5: like a question about seeing the movie, not like and

941
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 5: what do you think what and what do you think

942
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 5: Daredevil is going to do in the next installment.

943
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: It's always funny too, because like that's such clickbait and

944
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 3: it always gets a headline no matter what they say.

945
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: And every single time I've ever clicked on the clip

946
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: that they're actually talking about, it's always born as fuck.

947
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 3: It's always like it's always like, uh, will Wanda be

948
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 3: back in uh? You know, and I get to all

949
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 3: along and it's like, oh, they talked to uh, they

950
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 3: talk to the actress about it, and then you're seeing

951
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 3: it and you're like, wait, she said, I actually don't

952
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 3: know and I don't want to spoil anything, but we'll

953
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 3: see and they're like, whoah, she's gonna be in it

954
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 3: or whatever.

955
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: It's like, it's ridiculous because you're talking about how the

956
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: mood shift. Yes, all of a sudden, they for some

957
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: of them, their facial expression changes.

958
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: They get very.

959
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: Defensive, like you know, like like you can tell that because.

960
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: You because we also have huge stories, especially with MCU,

961
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 3: but I'm sure with other all these other huge franchises too,

962
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: where someone fucked up and then we think, act like

963
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: it's cute, but honestly, they fucked up. They fucked over

964
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: someone's job, they fucked over the movie, they over promotion,

965
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 3: pr some secret and like they like they don't You

966
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 3: don't like it's cute in hindsight, but these are high level,

967
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 3: multi million dollar decisions. Yeah, And it's like remember that

968
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 3: time that Ruffalo accidentally spolts like, yeah, I'm pretty sure

969
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 3: he was probably fucking mortified. Got a call from everybody,

970
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: Segony got like he probably wishes you didn't ask that

971
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: fucking question.

972
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 4: Right, These are grown adults.

973
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 5: Is The thing too that I always go back to

974
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 5: is like these there's a way that people talk about

975
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 5: these properties. I think because they're based on comic books,

976
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 5: which are more of like a one artist. They're more

977
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 5: of like a thing you're in conversation with. But like

978
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 5: the thing I always say, and this is kind of

979
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 5: sacrific fan circles, is that movies and television shows are

980
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 5: actually a one way street. Like you can give some suggestions,

981
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 5: but like you actually don't have fins, don't have to

982
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 5: say and we should And I think that like the

983
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 5: way that people want to treat these actors like they

984
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 5: want to be in on a conversation like, oh is

985
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 5: this It's like you're just not in And the most,

986
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 5: like I said, when people ask the actors about it,

987
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 5: it's just like this is like, especially because the U

988
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 5: has such great talented actors, You're sitting there with Mark Ruffalo,

989
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 5: one of the best actors of the generation, and you

990
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 5: want to ask him where he thinks the Hulk will

991
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 5: be into it?

992
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 4: Are you serious?

993
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 5: Right amount of time with you don't want to ask

994
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 5: him about that? They knew Robbie Speed from Spotlight's wrong

995
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 5: with you?

996
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 6: No, What I was gonna say was because of people's

997
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 6: obsession with information, It's like you can almost make a

998
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 6: comparison to sports with this, Like yes, with analytics in

999
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 6: the NBA are across all sports. I mean, it reminds

1000
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 6: me of what happened with the guy from ESPN with

1001
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 6: Josh Allen. Then that play where he got blitzed by

1002
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 6: like zero blitz and like five people in his face

1003
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 6: and it's like, oh, no, he could have thrown that

1004
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 6: swing pass to Shakir and it's like what like six

1005
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 6: guys in his face.

1006
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, supposed That's the best thing about working on game

1007
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: theory is working on a set of a TV show.

1008
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 3: I immediately had so much more respect for every TV show.

1009
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, this is extremely hard, and we're

1010
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: not trying to do the high wire act that like

1011
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: an MCU is doing. Like there's no you like, like,

1012
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 3: I remember there was an episode where Bomani had like

1013
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 3: a tie on to start the show, but then like

1014
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 3: wardrobe malfunction or something, they had to change the tie

1015
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: like halfway through the show or something. But that night,

1016
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: like had part of the the best cut hasn't with

1017
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 3: the tie. The cut after that, he doesn't have a

1018
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 3: tie on for the rest of the show, And I'm

1019
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: in the I'm there seeing it happen, and I'm like, well,

1020
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 3: it's not a big fucking deal.

1021
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: People know it's a TV show.

1022
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: They'll figure that something fucking happened with his tie and

1023
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: we'll move on.

1024
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: Bitch, Oh, motherfucking Twitter, It's like, what's happening with his tie?

1025
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 6: I don't.

1026
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 3: I was like, we talked to Cameron or whatever, Like,

1027
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 3: what about that fun ass interview where he pulled out

1028
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: pink horsepowder and started talking about ed that's actually a

1029
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 3: very moment. Why don't we discuss that, what about the

1030
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 3: sketch we wrote, you know whatever? And instead it's just like, man,

1031
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: I don't understand how you had the town. But then

1032
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: oh it was this collar was button and then it

1033
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 3: was unbuttoned, like one extra button.

1034
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: And it's just such a and like, that's just a

1035
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: late night show.

1036
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 3: This the ship was like the MCU and and fucking like,

1037
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 3: how is it a dragt with their.

1038
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: Like continuity they I saw a Starbucks cup in the background,

1039
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: and I'm like, because it's not real.

1040
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: Now they can go edit that out.

1041
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 3: But also, guys, just understand it's it's funny, not saying

1042
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 3: you shouldn't make fun of it, but also it's not real.

1043
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 3: That just means someone had some Starbucks and then they

1044
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 3: c g out of fucking dragging it to the next scene.

1045
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: None of this happened.

1046
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a way.

1047
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 5: That I think because they said he's not based on

1048
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 5: comic books where these production issues don't exist because there

1049
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 5: are people drawing or anything, right, I think people want

1050
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 5: these movies to follow the rules of comic books, and

1051
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 5: they're like, oh, it's tell people who are Because my

1052
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 5: whole perspective is for those who don't know the show.

1053
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 4: AC grew up with comic books. I didn't.

1054
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 5: That's kind of how that's how we have the balance

1055
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 5: of like not being alienated and people who didn't read

1056
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 5: comic books because I didn't read comic books going up.

1057
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 4: And I think the thing that people who.

1058
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 5: Are ready to guest got to these movies through comic

1059
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 5: books don't understand is like there are things that audiences

1060
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 5: like need to inherently learn to accept when there's real

1061
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 5: people in front of a camera that don't exist in

1062
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 5: comic books. And it's for example, like when people will

1063
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 5: when they like recast an actor or something like that,

1064
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 5: it's like, how are they going to explain it?

1065
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 4: It's like, this is a movie.

1066
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 5: There's different rules, yes, like you just do like you

1067
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 5: just have to accept that. And or you know, when

1068
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 5: Chadwick Boseman passed their way, when people are like.

1069
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 4: How can these kill them off? Don't? It's like because

1070
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 4: it's a movie. Because unfortunately a.

1071
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 5: Thing about movies is if people all the time in

1072
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 5: movies or TV shows, people die and they have to

1073
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 5: kill a character off they didn't want to kill off.

1074
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 4: Yep, it has to. It happens. And I think that.

1075
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 5: When people are locked into seeing these as not like

1076
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 5: film productions, right, then they can get stuck in the

1077
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 5: way and be like, how are they gonna explain this?

1078
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 5: It's like no, no, no, no, these movies, these movies are actually

1079
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 5: not for people who read all the comic books take

1080
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 5: billions of dollars. Most people who see these movies have

1081
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 5: never picked up a comic book in that are the life, right,

1082
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 5: And if it's not legible to them, then it's not gonna.

1083
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 3: Make And ironically, what's ironic about that is that anyone

1084
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: who's read comic books for a long period of time,

1085
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 3: it's a very similar thing in comic books. You get

1086
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 3: a new artist, they draw storm differently than a list artists.

1087
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: You get a new writer, they write uh you know, uh.

1088
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 3: They might write to Child's Dialogue differently than than Tida hose.

1089
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: Coast writes it.

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00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 3: So they actually have experienced these things, but it's like

1091
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 3: they but a huge part of comic books culture is

1092
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: that it was very nerdy and toxic. And I love

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00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 3: what you said about sports and and and and also

1094
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 3: comic books because in my lifetime, sports became nerdy and

1095
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 3: nerd ship became sports like nerd ship became like the

1096
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 3: MCU became like a league, you know what, I like,

1097
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: Marvel might as well be Yeah, it might as well

1098
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 3: be the NBA or some shit. The NFL is the

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00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 3: amount of people who know it, follow it and like

1100
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 3: it casually. It's up there with every sport, and sports

1101
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 3: became like super analytical, like corner threes and his real

1102
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 3: field goal percentage and all this type of shit that.

1103
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 3: But but meanwhile, when I was younger, like you had

1104
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 3: your I would say baseball was heavily on the stats

1105
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 3: for sure, but like.

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00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: In general, in general, your general.

1107
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 3: Sports culture was like this motherfucker cold or they not.

1108
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: It's just it's like, yo.

1109
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 3: Mitch Richmond though, oh Mitch Richmond, Tim Hardaway, Oh my god,

1110
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: it wasn't like yes, but what is.

1111
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: His true three point percentage? Because I don't know if

1112
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: I would give I also like.

1113
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,959
Speaker 6: Five and gave the type of crazy ass conversations. Yeah,

1114
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 6: get up something like that.

1115
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 3: Your think about like people say, Jordan's to go right,

1116
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: but you know, we've never had a stat how many

1117
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 3: Jordans we have? We have lebron as a stat. That's

1118
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 3: fucking insane. That's that's such a nerd. I don't even

1119
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 3: know what a lebron is, for the record, like I

1120
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 3: don't I don't even.

1121
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: Know how to measure that. I've never watched the game.

1122
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 4: And then it's a game that's a twenty seven seven

1123
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 4: and seven?

1124
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: Is that what it is?

1125
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 3: Thank you, Joe, because I saw of those. The thing is,

1126
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 3: I've never been watching the game. And then it being

1127
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 3: like goddamn LaMelo having three Lebron's right now. I'm like,

1128
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 3: you're just like you're just looking at the game, like, yo,

1129
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 3: he got twenty five already or whatever.

1130
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 2: Double double, triple double. Like it's for me, it's that simple.

1131
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: And when you got something about the difference between like

1132
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 2: comic books and like live action, A lot of people

1133
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: who read the comic books, a lot of that ship

1134
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 2: is very complex, and a lot of it is really

1135
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 2: really super fucking hard to translate into live action because

1136
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: it's physical versus a drawing. Like for me, I know

1137
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: this might sound silly, but I understood the concept of

1138
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: time travel through flat on WB And I know that

1139
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: might sound silly, but me watching the Flash help me

1140
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: understand the concept of time travel.

1141
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 3: Not one is not silly at all, and two, as

1142
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 3: a comic book reader, you actually have as complicated and

1143
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 3: understanding of those concepts as I got from the comics.

1144
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 3: It's not like the shit the MCU did with their

1145
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 3: version of time travels, different than the Terminators, different than

1146
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 3: Back to the Future. So you have as much of

1147
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 3: an understanding as I do. It's not that different. And

1148
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 3: in the comic books. I think I said this last

1149
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: time I was on y'all show, it's comic book bullshit.

1150
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 3: It's like they like, the comic book bullshit is just

1151
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 3: basically slighter hand magic for people.

1152
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: It's because like every creator don't remember that shit.

1153
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,959
Speaker 3: Every person that's written the combook don't remember the shit

1154
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 3: that happened before.

1155
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: There's people that guide them a little bit that we're.

1156
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 3: Like, oh, if you want to do something in this

1157
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 3: time period, here's what else was going on in this

1158
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 3: time period, so you won't write like a complete thing.

1159
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 3: But like I watch comic book people coming with bullshit

1160
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 3: like the Big One, I know what it was. We

1161
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 3: talked about Black Panther and where was the future of it,

1162
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 3: and it was like, what are they gonna do with T'Challa?

1163
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 3: And I was like, some comic book bullshit of time

1164
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 3: fucking travel Monti Verse, Magic Spell. No one gives a fuck.

1165
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: He just you're just gonna look up and this niggas

1166
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 3: gonna be Idris all some ship. We're gonna be like, Okay,

1167
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 3: well now that's the 'challa.

1168
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep it moving. Whatever. Other black artist, whatever,

1169
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: other black person.

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00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 3: Y'all definitely don't want it to be Uh, those are

1171
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 3: the people I'm gonna keep saying.

1172
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: But you're gonna We're gonna look up. We're gonna look up.

1173
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 4: Crying all the time.

1174
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 3: Right, he's gonna be looking for Nikiya. He's gonna be

1175
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 3: real sad they got the water.

1176
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: Ain't gonna be good. I can't wait.

1177
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: He's gonna be in the driveway of that beach that

1178
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 3: she was on Instagram live. Another thing I wanted to

1179
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 3: bring up to man. So we've been, I think, talked

1180
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 3: about a lot of positivity and stuff. But we gotta

1181
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 3: keep it real here too. Okay, Okay, what's up with

1182
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 3: these Sony Spider Man movies?

1183
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: Dog Like?

1184
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 3: As positive as I try to be, I can't see

1185
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 3: it for all these movies. I I let people have

1186
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 3: venom one, even though I do disagree that. I feel

1187
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 3: like I shouldn't even say disagree. It's more of a

1188
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: like doubles. It's the two standards. It's like a It's

1189
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 3: like going to your niece's recital. It's like, oh, that's

1190
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 3: that's good for y'all.

1191
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: Good job, y'all.

1192
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 3: But you know they of course took that, and now

1193
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 3: your niece is performing at the fucking local bar in

1194
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 3: front of people and charging money, and you're like, no,

1195
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 3: you were recital good. This ship right here, You're getting worse.

1196
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 3: You're not even practicing no more.

1197
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: What the fuck is up? Do y'all think?

1198
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 3: Do y'all think this craving thing is the actual nail

1199
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 3: in the coffin? We are done with these Sony Spider

1200
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 3: Man spin offs?

1201
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 4: Yes? I do.

1202
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 5: I will say my favorite. I think the first Venom

1203
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 5: is fine. I actually look the second one just because

1204
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 5: I think it's so gonzo with storytelling and the fact

1205
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 5: that it's basically structured like a romantic comedy between Eddie

1206
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 5: and Venom is fun to me.

1207
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 4: Like it is like structurally from a stream play perspective.

1208
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 4: Think about it.

1209
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 5: They're together, they break up, they hate each other, They

1210
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 5: both like go on a journey of self discovery and

1211
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 5: they come back together, Like I like that a lot.

1212
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, first of.

1213
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 3: All, let me agree with you on that for sure,

1214
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 3: and then let me but let me just say it's

1215
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 3: the third act for me, that that killed the third act.

1216
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1217
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 5: So the I think they're done because they just stop

1218
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 5: making money, Like that's the big thing. Like, the thing

1219
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 5: about the thing people have to remember about the Sony

1220
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 5: Spider Man movies is they would not have existed if

1221
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 5: Venom did not make a billion dollars worldwide Venom outgrossed.

1222
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 5: If Venom was in the MCU, it would be I think,

1223
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 5: in a top ten MCU movie worldwide gross.

1224
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 4: Like it was huge.

1225
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 5: And so they convinced themselves like, oh my god, the

1226
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 5: MCU can have Spider Man. We can make billion dollar

1227
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 5: movies without Spider Man. And of course, anyone who's ever

1228
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 5: had or anyone's ever had a thought outside of a

1229
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 5: boardroom in their life, was like, that's dumb. That's not

1230
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 5: gonna happen, right, And so they kept trying. They kept trying,

1231
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 5: and they the big problem they had too, is that

1232
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 5: Venom is like the most famous of all those characters,

1233
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 5: and they kept getting less famous and less famous. And

1234
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 5: I think they now really like I don't know what

1235
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 5: their pivot's gonna be. My fear is that they're gonna

1236
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 5: try to do some bullshit where like they try to

1237
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 5: like extract Tom Hollands Spider Man out.

1238
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 4: Of the MCU.

1239
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 5: But like, yeah, I think that for them, it's just

1240
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 5: not the reason I know it's gonna be over is

1241
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 5: any because of the quality of the movies. It's just

1242
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 5: like from a financial perspective, it actually doesn't make sense

1243
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 5: for them to do it.

1244
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 4: I think they'll probably lean more into the animated stuff,

1245
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 4: which I think is great.

1246
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 6: Movies.

1247
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: Are they great?

1248
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 5: And yeah, and so I think that they're done and

1249
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 5: I think that like it really is just a misunderstanding

1250
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 5: of what has made the MCU successful and what has

1251
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 5: made the MSU able to take bullshit characters like the

1252
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 5: Guardians of the Galaxy No disrespect and make huge movies.

1253
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 5: It's because there's the promise that it's all interconnected and

1254
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 5: all has.

1255
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 4: A level of quality.

1256
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 5: You can't do that, like Madam Webb, you can't make

1257
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 5: people excited about her if everyone who knows anything about

1258
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 5: the movies, like well, legally speaking, you can't meet Tom Holland.

1259
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 3: You know what would have been if they would have

1260
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 3: did stilt Man, but go ahead.

1261
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 6: I think I think still Man. I think we still

1262
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 6: may see still Man at some point.

1263
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to listen. I'm not even joking if

1264
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 3: they would have. If they would have, because they're already

1265
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 3: making shit movies, but if they would have went wacky.

1266
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: With it with Spider Man's rogue, like.

1267
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,439
Speaker 3: I actually think there's a more fun lane for that

1268
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 3: than there is for like Craving or even Madam Webb.

1269
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: But if you like still man's so ridiculous.

1270
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 3: But if you just like stilt Man, they're like, oh fuck,

1271
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 3: they cast an actor, they got a real movie. They're

1272
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 3: gonna do stilt Man. I don't care if Spider Man's in.

1273
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 3: It's just so fucking silly. But yeah, this ship that

1274
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 3: they gave us was wack. Go ahead, ac, I'm sorry.

1275
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 6: It goes back to the sports analogy, when you have

1276
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 6: ownership getting themselves so involved that they say, oh, we

1277
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 6: gotta do this. I don't know if this is the

1278
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 6: best I did. No, no, no, we have to do this,

1279
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 6: and then you do it, and then you do it,

1280
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 6: and then eventually the diminishing returns. Venom three is just

1281
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 6: when I saw that, I said, I could not believe

1282
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 6: that they wrote that movie and put that thing out there.

1283
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, a Venom movie boring? How did they do that?

1284
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 6: How there was things that happened and then it ended. Yes,

1285
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 6: that's when it described Venom three.

1286
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 3: Mad Otto high Towers in that joint playing, And honestly,

1287
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,919
Speaker 3: about halfway through the film, I was like, I'd rather

1288
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 3: follow him and his hippie family than any of this

1289
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 3: shit happening with right.

1290
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: I was like, you left King's Landing for this ung.

1291
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 5: It's like Trutelck. Come on, man, there are nominated person.

1292
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 3: Their ability that cast people in these movies.

1293
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 1: It just leads me.

1294
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 3: To like, I wish if I had a sketch show,

1295
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 3: I'd definitely write a sketch of them bringing these actors

1296
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 3: in and just lying to them that they're gonna be

1297
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 3: in the MCU, because I can't imagine that there's another

1298
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 3: way that they're getting some of these people. Some of

1299
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 3: these people have to be like like their agent has

1300
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 3: to be like, you want to be in a in

1301
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 3: an m c U, a Marvel. If you want to

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01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,479
Speaker 3: be in a Marvel movie, It's like, uh, fuck, yeah,

1303
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 3: I want to be in a Marvel.

1304
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 2: You want to be in a movie that's in association

1305
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 2: with Marvel. You said Marvel, Yes, in association like like you.

1306
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: And the joke is they keep seeing in association with.

1307
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 3: And she would tell us like she would tell like

1308
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 3: I thought I already was in a Marvel movie. Wasn't

1309
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 3: I already like a sorcerer or something? Oh, you ain't

1310
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 3: wait till you get this script. Don't even worry about

1311
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 3: the script. Just show up to the set. This is

1312
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 3: gonna be crazy. This is oh I see, Oh I see,

1313
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 3: it must be like the multiverse.

1314
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll be there. And then they just show up

1315
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: and they're like Sony, yes, upset.

1316
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 5: And it's like, because I double check to confirm this.

1317
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 5: I remember that when they first started developing a Madam

1318
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 5: Web movie, they their first choices they wanted. They were

1319
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 5: looking at Charlie is Theron and Amy Adams, And I

1320
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 5: think it goes to show what the reputation of Sony

1321
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 5: became that they had to go to Dakota Johnson after Yes, well,

1322
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 5: I have liked some Dakota Johnson performances in the past.

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Speaker 4: She is not on the same level as those other

1324
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 4: two people.

1325
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think you could just tell that she

1326
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 5: just wore off like that people started to know like, oh,

1327
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 5: this is a level below. And I think the big

1328
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 5: problem that Sony had is that audiences are dumber in

1329
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 5: terms of like being able to like understand my movies

1330
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 5: work now, but they are smarter when it comes to

1331
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 5: like production than ever.

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01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 4: And you actually the amount of people who will buy.

1333
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 5: A ticket to a superhoovie who don't know the difference

1334
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 5: between these Sony's and spin stuff and answer you like everyone.

1335
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 4: Actually knows the difference.

1336
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 5: And I think Sony thought the audiences were still dumb,

1337
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 5: like no, like ten year olds know the difference and

1338
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 5: so you can't.

1339
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 4: Trick people in the scene are craving the Hunter movie.

1340
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: Tom Holmes and is getting and like it's getty.

1341
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 3: Because the movie kept getting worse, the difference started meaning

1342
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 3: a lot more because I remember when Venom first dropped,

1343
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 3: the difference didn't mean as much to people. It's like

1344
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 3: I enjoyed that, and I also enjoy them. To you

1345
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 3: movies by the time, it's like, Madam Webb, they're like, who.

1346
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: Made this shit?

1347
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 3: Like it's it's like it's like when you it's like

1348
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 3: when you go to a potluck and you bite a

1349
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 3: dish and it's and it's shitty, and you're just like, like,

1350
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 3: I now want to know who made the potato salad.

1351
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 3: Not for a good reason, but because I'm never eating

1352
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 3: anything they make again. I don't give a fuck what

1353
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 3: they bring to the next one. They are done on

1354
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 3: these streets, and I feel like that's what happened. They

1355
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 3: made people be educated, like people people liked ignorantly going

1356
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 3: into MCU movies and after Sony burns them like three

1357
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 3: times and like, actually, I would like to know who who.

1358
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: Made this shit?

1359
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, peo, people started asking questions like you say, started

1360
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 2: educating themselves and things like that, and like for me,

1361
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 2: this is what my you know, my not of raction shows.

1362
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: I was like, no, there is the difference.

1363
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 2: And I think that, like you said, the audience is smarter,

1364
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 2: more people, and I think the most in my opinion,

1365
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 2: because me and Roger goes to a lot of them

1366
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 2: a lot to see a lot of the movies. The

1367
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 2: most egregious thing about Craven. Craven has actually been doing

1368
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: previews for almost two years now. For those I know,

1369
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 2: it was like it was like pre pandemic, pandemic. They

1370
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 2: kept pushing it back. Madam Webb came out, Yeah, yeah, Matt.

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01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 2: It was supposed to come out around Morbius. Then it

1372
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 2: was supposed to come out Madam Webb, and they was like,

1373
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 2: oh shit, people gonna realize it's some bullshit, and so

1374
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 2: they finally pushed it back when it was like, we

1375
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 2: actually don't have a I.

1376
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 3: Think they I think up the most when Marvel was like,

1377
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 3: we're not putting out any movies next year, and they

1378
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 3: were like, fuck, we need to be able to put

1379
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 3: something right after you guys, because they because they count.

1380
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 3: And then then Deadpool came out, there was like, all right,

1381
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 3: we'll slide it in at the dead Pool.

1382
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: People think it's part of the multiverse.

1383
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 5: I just think that it's really just a shame in

1384
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 5: hindsight that they tried to make these movies showed down

1385
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 5: the middle or like dark and it's like you the

1386
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 5: fact that they didn't even consider zagging.

1387
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 4: I mean that they're actually just trying to make straightfowar

1388
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 4: or superhero movies.

1389
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 5: Whether you're trying to make feel like the biggest opportunity

1390
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 5: to zag to make for even like a hard art

1391
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 5: like gnarly movie on that to make you know, madam

1392
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 5: what like Madie could have been like almost like a

1393
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 5: teen comedy around the girl.

1394
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 4: They these movies.

1395
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 5: Should have had less pressure on them, and like, I

1396
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 5: have a lot more like I give more of a

1397
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 5: side eye to movies like that, not taking risks like

1398
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 5: the is McDonald's.

1399
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 4: They're not gonna take as many risks.

1400
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: But but you know, but you know what else? You

1401
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: know what else?

1402
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 3: Sony is what people the worst fears of what the

1403
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 3: MCU was gonna be is sony because the amount of

1404
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 3: stuff that you can and if you've you know, especially

1405
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 3: those of us that watch a lot of movies. So

1406
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 3: if y'all are casual and y'all watch a lot of movies,

1407
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 3: y'all might not notice this, but I know I do.

1408
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 3: The amount of post editing that they do to these movies,

1409
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 3: where like they clearly are inserting like audio that never

1410
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 3: took place, dialogue that was not on screen, Like they're

1411
01:04:57,880 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 3: cutting away to where it's like you see the bad

1412
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 3: cause someone's head and there, like we need to get

1413
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 3: the formula, And I'm like, that wasn't.

1414
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: The original plan in the fucking script.

1415
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 3: And the amount of like the heavy handedness that the

1416
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 3: studio must take with these films that has to be

1417
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 3: stifling to even the people that get to direct them,

1418
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 3: because it's like I didn't even like maybe they had

1419
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 3: a silly, funny Madam Web script.

1420
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: By the end, someone was.

1421
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 3: Like, Nah, this shouldn't need to be This shouldn't need

1422
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 3: to fold into like the Spider Man universe.

1423
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: In case one day Tom Holland goes on.

1424
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 3: A crack bench and he needs the money, and then

1425
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 3: we can just like force him into these scripts and

1426
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 3: we can always say we set it up from day one,

1427
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 3: as opposed to you getting to make a fun, silly

1428
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 3: teen teen comedy that that you wanted to make.

1429
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 2: And I think the biggest thing in me and Roger

1430
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 2: are movie critics, the biggest thing about all these groups

1431
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 2: of movies we just talk. There was no previews and

1432
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 2: so yeah, I mean there was no screen.

1433
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 5: There was no screen, which means that's what I was

1434
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 5: telling people to watch out for.

1435
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 2: We didn't get advanced viewings of it, and I guarantee

1436
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 2: you it would not be surprising if people if they

1437
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 2: had like the audience, and the audience was them like

1438
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 2: they actually played it to themselves, to the CEOs.

1439
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: Everybody stood up.

1440
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 2: And clapped and they was like good movie, like they

1441
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 2: didn't show it to anybody outside that room, because if

1442
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 2: they would have played it the people people would be like, oh,

1443
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 2: this shit sucks. You need to do something because they

1444
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 2: they've done it to a few movies and then they

1445
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 2: had to do reboots and re edits, you know, the

1446
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 2: Justice League and all that shit. They was like, oh,

1447
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 2: we had to change and she's like, yeah, cause you

1448
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 2: played in The people was like, this is a bullshit.

1449
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 3: Streaming has also changed. I think the way we consume

1450
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 3: all this stuff. I think, yes, even the MCU, you know,

1451
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 3: once Disney Plus came out. I think movies it went

1452
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 3: from like tentpole movies where it's like once or twice

1453
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 3: a year we need to all go to the theater

1454
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 3: to see this stuff.

1455
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: To like content. You know.

1456
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 3: And I don't say content in a loving way. I

1457
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 3: kind of, like I said a bit derisively, is because

1458
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 3: I think content loses something.

1459
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: It's like content needs to exist.

1460
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 3: Art needs to be has a onus to be good, right,

1461
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 3: And once you get into the content game, these companies

1462
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 3: definitely look at it more like market share of the

1463
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 3: of like we on forty percent of the streaming properties

1464
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 3: or whatever, as opposed to just like should this be made,

1465
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 3: you know, it's like, instead, it's like, we need pitches

1466
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 3: for seven spinoff TV shows in the next two years,

1467
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 3: and at some point we're just green lighting shit because

1468
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 3: it's like will it fit?

1469
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: Will it not fit?

1470
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 3: We don't know, and we all know like the story

1471
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 3: of the MCU behind the scenes, which is that a

1472
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 3: lot of stuff that looked planned was not planned, and

1473
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 3: it kind of worked into it backwards. But also it's

1474
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 3: a lot easier to do that when you're putting out

1475
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 3: two three things a year as opposed to putting out

1476
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 3: seven eight things a year, and two of them are

1477
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 3: TV shows and one of them is a cartoon, and

1478
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it's like, how are you juggling

1479
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 3: all these balls to get.

1480
01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: Them to match? And they don't match anymore.

1481
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 3: People have kind of been conditioned to see it as

1482
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 3: a streamline thing, and so I think we've lost an

1483
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 3: element of the prestige of it because of how we

1484
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 3: consume it. And on the back end, we also now

1485
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,919
Speaker 3: know more information than we used to know. So for example,

1486
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 3: today and yesterday I was seeing it all up and

1487
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 3: down the toimeline. The Acolyte was the second most watched

1488
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 3: live action thing that Disney Plus had last year and

1489
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 3: they canceled it, citing that the ratings weren't.

1490
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: High enough to justify the budget.

1491
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 3: And it's like, okay, so one one, that's extremely a

1492
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,879
Speaker 3: nerdy thing. We probably shouldn't know, Like technically we shouldn't

1493
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 3: know the streaming numbers, but you got to go share

1494
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 3: that the shareholder meet know whatever.

1495
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 5: Well, no, it's actually the only reason we know them

1496
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 5: now is because actually just the w WGA strike.

1497
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: Oh that's all we know.

1498
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, Because I was gonna say, I think

1499
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 3: it's good that we know, but I don't. But it's

1500
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 3: the kind of thing that when I'm with yeah, yeah,

1501
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 3: And it's the kind of thing that when I'm watching

1502
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 3: something I've never cared about. I've never watched something and

1503
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 3: been like, well, this better be the second highest rating.

1504
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 3: But we know, we now know more than we ever

1505
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 3: know before about this kind of thing. But it also

1506
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 3: strikes at the heart of the lies, right because I remember, uh,

1507
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 3: with Game Theory, when we were where everybody was like,

1508
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 3: you think we're gonna get renewed for a second season

1509
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 3: because that's basically what uh, that's what the fuck writers

1510
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 3: and everybody talks about the second, the show's over. Matter

1511
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 3: of fact, three episodes for the shows over. It's like

1512
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 3: everything's written. You think people just come in your office.

1513
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 3: I don't know, shit, I don't know better fuck what

1514
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 3: I know. No one's walked into the fucking first year

1515
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,759
Speaker 3: writer's office and been like Rod, it's me Adam McKay

1516
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 3: thinking about renewing you guys for second season. One of

1517
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 3: your thoughts. No one told me shit, right, So I

1518
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 3: don't know. But it's but it's like you obsessed over

1519
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 3: you think about it. And and at that moment that

1520
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 3: was when I became privy to this, to the one

1521
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 3: true which is they renew what the fuck they want

1522
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 3: to renew y?

1523
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 1: You need one person to be like and then they

1524
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: renew it.

1525
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 3: The reasoning comes on the back end. Yes, they can

1526
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 3: make an argument to renew you as much as.

1527
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: They can make an argument to not renew.

1528
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 3: Agreed, Like, there's certain shows they see as staples, guys

1529
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 3: that do the right things in the boardroom and and

1530
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,719
Speaker 3: kiss up in the in the in the at dinner,

1531
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 3: and those motherfuckers been on the bill. Marer's rating has

1532
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 3: been going down for like ten years. It don't matter

1533
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 3: as long as.

1534
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: That man want to do his show, he can do it.

1535
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 3: He can do his show, and and uh, you know,

1536
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 3: and someone like John Oliver who has like a hell

1537
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 3: of lead in and all this stuff, like like he

1538
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 3: can do his show as long as he wants to

1539
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 3: do a show basically. But then there's times where you

1540
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 3: see stuff like Insecure or Atlanta their their their audience

1541
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 3: was very niche, but it wasn't. But someone in charge,

1542
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 3: someone said it is important for us to have a

1543
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 3: prete show that is this good. Right, So we're not looking,

1544
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,759
Speaker 3: we don't need Gamer Thrones numbers. We're going to renew

1545
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 3: this ship because it's dope and we like this person

1546
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 3: and they're doing that.

1547
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: So all that to say, we're now privy to that.

1548
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 3: And it does a disservice when they spend these lies

1549
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 3: or these spend these like tails, because it's gonna come

1550
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 3: out and to watch. We're going to fucking find out

1551
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 3: that actually the act likee was one of your more

1552
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 3: successful shows, which makes me feel like you cowardly ducked

1553
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 3: out when you got some backlash from some toxic fan

1554
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 3: base and was like.

1555
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: These the YouTube guys don't like it.

1556
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 3: We're not gonna say it was too gay or too

1557
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 3: black or two brown, two women. What we're gonna say

1558
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 3: is that the Radis don't justify the budget. It's like, well,

1559
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 3: then what the fuck would because it's the second most.

1560
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 5: You can't smell Jedi without DEI sorry, great point.

1561
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 6: I could. I could tell you this right now. The

1562
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 6: Spider Man No Way whole movie had a big problem

1563
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 6: on it set. Nobody ever heard about it. Nobody ever

1564
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 6: heard about it. It went under the rug. It went

1565
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 6: very quietly, and they delivered one of the big tempole

1566
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 6: box office movies of all time. And usually people who

1567
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 6: are especially this is right in the midst of the

1568
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 6: entertainment media boom twenty twenty one, twenty twenty people Thurston

1569
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 6: waiting to find out what's happening with Spider Man in

1570
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 6: this next movie. Nobody heard about this story. The Marvels.

1571
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 6: Let's translate to that the Marvels black women director, three

1572
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 6: women as the leads. They can't do anything regarding the

1573
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 6: strikes in terms of pushing it to another date so

1574
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 6: it could get promotion. They can't do anything in terms

1575
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 6: of just helping the actors promote the movie. After the fact.

1576
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:04,560
Speaker 6: Nothing can be done. This movie gets trashed and trashed

1577
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 6: and trashed and trashed. It comes out on Disney Plus

1578
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 6: a couple of months later. Wow, that was pretty good.

1579
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 2: Right, and everybody and everybody is seeing that movie, praised

1580
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 2: that movie like, this movie's actually good.

1581
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 3: And I think I said it on y'all show, but

1582
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 3: I definitely said it on the Nerd Off for sure.

1583
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 3: And the other thing I think got swept under the

1584
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 3: rug is there was a huge power struggle at Disney

1585
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 3: at that time for someone.

1586
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: There was a guy who was trying to take.

1587
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 3: Over the MCU, and his whole thing was all this

1588
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 3: woke d I bullshit is fucking up the product. And coincidentally,

1589
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 3: the Hollywood Reporter, you know, like like all these different

1590
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 3: outlets are just leaking out, like you know what the

1591
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 3: problem is. It's a little little too d d I

1592
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 3: for us, and we think they fucked up this time.

1593
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: It's time for the MCU to change hands.

1594
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 3: And the second of that guy was essentially ousted crickets

1595
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 3: like the like the there's no more leaks all of

1596
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 3: a sudden, there's no variety, just no more behind the scenes.

1597
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 3: I remember the one, Oh I know why because we

1598
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 3: were doing a Loki season two and I remember the

1599
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 3: one was they had that big hit piece right before

1600
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 3: the finale, and there was the.

1601
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 1: Way they fucked up with with with.

1602
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 3: This cane ship. They are done, Jonathan Major, this is

1603
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 3: sank the MCU. And I remember us coming on there

1604
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 3: like that was like two weeks before the finale.

1605
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: Then we saw the finale. Wey' all going there. We're like, so, like,

1606
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 1: what what are they talking about when.

1607
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 7: They're talking about like they could kind of go anyway

1608
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 7: with this at the end, And it was like and

1609
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 7: that's when it clicked to me that some of the

1610
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 7: stuff we're witnessing is like power plays and stuff that

1611
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 7: we now have a bit more insight into.

1612
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, And and I think the way that they did

1613
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 5: Nea DaCosta is one of one of the moments that

1614
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 5: made me like feel worse about doing a show about

1615
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 5: the MCU. Nothing, but I'm like, this is like really

1616
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 5: toxic shit. And the fact that it's not just fans

1617
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 5: are doing it clearly is you know a company wife. Yeah,

1618
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 5: And you know, I'm glad that she's getting the twenty

1619
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 5: eight Days Later movie because I was afraid that she'd

1620
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 5: be in director of jail for the rest of because

1621
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 5: that happens to people I mean, and I think that

1622
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 5: you're absolutely right with this.

1623
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 4: Like the thing about the Accolade too, is.

1624
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 5: That it it's a sign also too, of how streaming

1625
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 5: has warped television, where because all these shows are like

1626
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 5: eight episode seasons and there's three years between them, there's

1627
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:28,839
Speaker 5: only ever the expectation there's gonna be like three seasons,

1628
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 5: whereas back in the day, you would take it. You

1629
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 5: if there was a show like the first season that

1630
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 5: didn't have great ratings, you take a chance on it

1631
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 5: first season two because it's like, well, people will start

1632
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 5: to watch it and it will grow. Because now it's like,

1633
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 5: if if there's gonna be an Accolade season two, it's

1634
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,719
Speaker 5: gonna be three years to make. Probably it's gonna cost

1635
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 5: hundreds of millions of dollars to make. So you can't

1636
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 5: be like, well, let's see how season two does, Let's

1637
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 5: see if it grows. And I think that that like

1638
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 5: really disincentivizes risk taking. And I think they're really gonna

1639
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 5: see a lot less risk taking any things going Disney Plus,

1640
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 5: because it's like they don't they I think I think

1641
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 5: people misunderstand about their inherment business and nothing I know

1642
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 5: everything about it, but that people think that the goal

1643
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 5: of these executives is to make money, and ostensibly it is,

1644
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 5: but the main thing that they're really trying to do

1645
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 5: is to make decisions where if they lose money, they

1646
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 5: can explain it to someone else. It's a lot easier

1647
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 5: if your show is just white guy after white after

1648
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 5: white guy.

1649
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 4: You can be like, I don't know what happened. Whereas

1650
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:23,560
Speaker 4: if your show.

1651
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 5: Has, you know, a bisexual black lead, is written by

1652
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 5: a lesbian woman, has a super diverse cast, people will

1653
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 5: be like, why did you cast to bisexual black lead

1654
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 5: and give let's be in the Keys to Star Wars?

1655
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 5: Like that is harder to explain.

1656
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And I think also I think also to

1657
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 6: continue off that point, I think the climate that we're

1658
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 6: in currently has allowed for that type of thinking to

1659
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 6: not only invade the executives, but and not only the fans,

1660
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 6: but even the people who are doing these these shows themselves. Like,

1661
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 6: for example, we got The Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man coming

1662
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 6: out tomorrow, a lot of Rave reviews about it like

1663
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 6: this is I can't wait for season two. It seems great,

1664
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 6: this is what Peter Parker should be. All of these

1665
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 6: wonderful things the guy who voices Peter Parker did an

1666
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 6: interview with Collider. Hudson Thames is his name, and they

1667
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 6: asked him a question like, what is the thing that

1668
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 6: you and you're so excited for with the show generally

1669
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 6: are going into voicing the show and he goes, well,

1670
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 6: for one, it's like, it wasn't annoying, it's not woke,

1671
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 6: it wasn't woke. And this has been populating today, This

1672
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 6: has been all over the internet and it's just like, man,

1673
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 6: they really doing this now all across the board. Jez

1674
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 6: just I couldn't help a lot.

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01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 3: I do have to thank the MCU though, because they

1676
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 3: prepared me for the reality of a Trump administration coming back.

1677
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 3: Because I feel like when Hydra took over in Captain

1678
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 3: America and you're like, what the fuck is?

1679
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 1: I feel like we kind of went through that and this.

1680
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: I saw the Hydra signs last year.

1681
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 3: I was like, hmm, just feeling mad, like Robert Redford

1682
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 3: is gonna show up and it's gonna it's about to

1683
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 3: turn bad up in here.

1684
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 1: Shout out the ages of Shield shout.

1685
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 3: After them, because I'm you know, I'm prepared to get

1686
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 3: me a ragtag band of uh you know, nerds and

1687
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 3: superpower people and survive this thing. The other thing that

1688
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 3: I think is interested too with the like anti woke

1689
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 3: and all this stuff, is my man Anthony Mackie. Now

1690
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 3: I have a clip of him being interviewed. Uh just

1691
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 3: I want to make sure you guys can hear it,

1692
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 3: So just make sure that, like when I play the clip,

1693
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 3: if y'all can't hear it, say something. But he it's

1694
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 3: only a minute long clip. Hopefully this sounds good, but

1695
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 3: it's him talking about what Captain America represents.

1696
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 6: Okay, For me, Captain America represents we.

1697
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 1: Make this bigger. I'm sorry, all right, here we go.

1698
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 8: For me, Captain America represents a lot of different things,

1699
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 8: and I don't think the term, you know, America should

1700
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 8: be one of those representations.

1701
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:08,480
Speaker 6: Like it's about.

1702
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,799
Speaker 8: A man who keeps his word, who has honored dignity

1703
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 8: and integrity, someone who is trustworthy and dependable. You know,

1704
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 8: it's kind of this is kind of like an aspect

1705
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 8: of a dream coming true.

1706
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:28,719
Speaker 6: You know, when I was a kid.

1707
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 8: You know, all of us as actors, I believe want

1708
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,560
Speaker 8: to get back to that day before someone told you no,

1709
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 8: when you look out your door and you see a

1710
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 8: five year old kid with a stick and he's slaying

1711
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:41,799
Speaker 8: dragons to save.

1712
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:42,759
Speaker 6: The princess in the tower.

1713
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 8: That kid really believes the dragons out there, that stick

1714
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 8: is really a sword, and he's really trying to save

1715
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 8: that princess. And then one day somebody told him, no,

1716
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 8: they're no dragons, that's not a sword, and that princess

1717
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 8: is not there, and all of his little dreams were dashed.

1718
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 6: So, you know, as an actor, I feel like our.

1719
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 8: Job is to get back to the day where we

1720
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 8: see that dragon and when we slave that dragon to

1721
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 8: save that princess. And that's kind of what this movie

1722
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 8: was for me, all right.

1723
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 3: So those are his comments. They've been causing a bit

1724
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 3: of a shit storm online with people saying like, first

1725
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 3: of all, America is amazing, it's great, you're not my

1726
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 3: Captain America's d I Captain America. This woke bullshit Captain America.

1727
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 3: And listen, I tried to go into this with no agenda.

1728
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. I've never been as hard on

1729
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 3: Macki's Sam Wilson as most people, but mostly because I

1730
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:39,719
Speaker 3: read the comic and I think the character of Sam

1731
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 3: Wilson is like everything Howard Bryant says about the character

1732
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 3: is who he is is like I was like, oh,

1733
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 3: so it's accurate, Like he's getting mad and I'm like, no,

1734
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 3: that's Sam. Like he's kind of the he's kind of

1735
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 3: your Obama ish middleman guy.

1736
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: He's not extreme on either side.

1737
01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 3: He does think somehow he can unite us with some

1738
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 3: bullshit speech, and he's not the sharpest cran in the box.

1739
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 3: Like he's a lot of a lot of his story

1740
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 3: was like motherfucker's macinating around him and then him being like,

1741
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:09,600
Speaker 3: wait a minute.

1742
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: What you know?

1743
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 3: Like and I like, I kind of like that in

1744
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 3: the comic book because like it made the experience of

1745
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 3: that character becoming Captain America. Sam Wilson Captain America five

1746
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,679
Speaker 3: out of five. I stand on that that comic book

1747
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 3: run is so good because it was just people being

1748
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 3: racist to a guy who was trying to do his

1749
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 3: best job of stepping in the boots of representing America.

1750
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 3: And the real question that the crux of that is

1751
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 3: can a black person represent.

1752
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 1: America when America.

1753
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 3: Is hostile to a black person of on either side,

1754
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 3: Like you get distrust from the people who are like

1755
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:53,959
Speaker 3: well well intentioned of like, brother.

1756
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: Why are you going on them flags?

1757
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 3: And then you get obviously distrust from people that are

1758
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:01,480
Speaker 3: like brother with a hard while you got on these flags.

1759
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 3: So it was like so so it was like so

1760
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 3: good because I like that messy type of question and

1761
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:10,640
Speaker 3: to put it in a comic book form in a

1762
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 3: way that you know people ain't gonna read Ibram x

1763
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 3: Kenny x Candy to get like sometimes you gotta hit

1764
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 3: him with the comic book. Anyway, people were mad and

1765
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 3: a white dude wrote it, so they was extra mad.

1766
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,520
Speaker 3: But I was like, I'm reading every frame like, but

1767
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 3: he is hely he on point.

1768
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 1: White people would be racist, I still like.

1769
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 3: And they used to start every comic with like panels

1770
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 3: of like different people that weren't characters in the book.

1771
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 3: They were just like people in the streets and they

1772
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 3: be getting interviewed on the news and shit, and they

1773
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 3: be like, inevitably you got brothers just like no man,

1774
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 3: he cool, like they let him fly, and then you

1775
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 3: got I don't trust nobody wearing all them flags. And

1776
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 3: then you got like not my captain America, and I

1777
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 3: was like, this is America. So him saying this, uh,

1778
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 3: and then the reaction to it feels more like the book.

1779
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 3: I I'm a little nervous, obviously because it's a movie,

1780
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Nervous in the way you

1781
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:05,719
Speaker 3: would be for a movie, not nervous in your life.

1782
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 3: But I'm a little nervous in that. I wonder and

1783
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,560
Speaker 3: I hope they let them kind of do that. I

1784
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 3: actually think it should be a bit of a messy movie.

1785
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 3: It should have a lot of racial undertones. It should

1786
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:21,759
Speaker 3: be uncomfortable that he's stepping in Steve rogers fit shoes.

1787
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 3: It should be the America lionizing Steve Rodgers when Steve

1788
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 3: Rodgers was ten toes down standing against America's bullshit in

1789
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 3: like two out of them three movies. So like, like

1790
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 3: I would, I do want to see the idea of

1791
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 3: like black Man does it must have did it wrong?

1792
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 3: Like I kind of want to see if they allow

1793
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 3: that to happen without like a feel good, necessary like

1794
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 3: moment that's gonna bring us all back together. So I

1795
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 3: have now, of course, I have no idea. I've stayed

1796
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 3: away from the you know, the rumors if they've been

1797
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 3: like fucking it up somehow recast and reshooting everything I've missed.

1798
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:55,839
Speaker 1: I missed out on purpose.

1799
01:23:56,200 --> 01:24:01,639
Speaker 3: But like this reaction is why you make Sam Wilson

1800
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 3: Captain America because America needs to Maybe it'll stand in

1801
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 3: the animals the time, but America actually needs to have

1802
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 3: a moment of like, hey, black people Americans do.

1803
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 6: So I have I have questions about this movie in

1804
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 6: the sense of and I've always thought about the way

1805
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 6: that you the way that you describe the Sam Wilson

1806
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 6: character in the comics, and kind of the way that

1807
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 6: when we were when we were doing Falcon in the

1808
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:31,679
Speaker 6: Winter Soldier and doing those episodes, there was a deep

1809
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 6: deeper dive into how black characters are written, how they

1810
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:38,879
Speaker 6: are perceived, and things along those lines. And quite honestly,

1811
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 6: the thing that I mentioned earlier about the Marvels and

1812
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 6: Spider Man, this movie to me falls under that same like, huh,

1813
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 6: so the movie about the black Captain America, We're gonna

1814
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 6: put the Israeli soldier in there. Huh. That's interesting to me. Yeah,

1815
01:24:56,640 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 6: just like little things like that make me one wonder

1816
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 6: why would you do something like that, especially considering the

1817
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 6: again the climate that we are in where that is

1818
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 6: such a prevalent thing. And then you talk about it

1819
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 6: being the mess. I wish it would be that, but

1820
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 6: it does feel like what they're gonna do is we're

1821
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 6: gonna do a hunky dory everything. We're gonna wrap it

1822
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 6: up and be cool at the end. And I just

1823
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 6: don't think in twenty twenty five that is something that

1824
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 6: you can do anymore. And a lot of people who

1825
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 6: like us, who view this are going to take it

1826
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 6: seriously or look at it in a look at it

1827
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 6: in a specifically positive pay I.

1828
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:45,480
Speaker 3: Definitely want to see that because part of the reshoot

1829
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:48,719
Speaker 3: thing that people are talking about makes me wonder, which

1830
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 3: way do you reshoot it? Like you do you reshoot

1831
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 3: it and go we gotta turn like we put this

1832
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 3: Israeli's storyline in here. We gotta figure a way to

1833
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 3: tone this down because what we originally had is we

1834
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 3: can see isn't gonna work, you know, like which, like

1835
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys may know more than

1836
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 3: I do, but I don't.

1837
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 5: Know about you, ac, but I don't know. It's not

1838
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 5: about the specifics of what they're doing.

1839
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 6: I think the only thing, the only thing that I'll say,

1840
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 6: because I would like to preserve it for everybody, The

1841
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:20,679
Speaker 6: only thing that I'll say about it is. It tells

1842
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 6: me a lot that they felt the need to add

1843
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 6: gian Carlo Esposito into this movie about a year after

1844
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 6: the original movie was shot, and then put him in

1845
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 6: a significant role as a villain as opposed to what

1846
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 6: they were doing previously with the Serpent Society being a

1847
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 6: huge part of what the movie is, and now that

1848
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 6: they're kind of like more of a background figure as

1849
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 6: opposed to being front and center. So that's kind of

1850
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:51,440
Speaker 6: where I would look at it as far as that's concerned.

1851
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 1: All right.

1852
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 3: I also think it's very ironic that Anthony Mackie is

1853
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 3: the guy, because Anthony Mackie's history of talking about race

1854
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 3: is so fucking wow. Over the years, like he has

1855
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,759
Speaker 3: been the center of so many stories on our podcast

1856
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 3: where it was like what the fuck is Anthony Reggy

1857
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 3: talking about.

1858
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 1: Souwich? And now he's.

1859
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 3: Like I remember at one point he was mister, like,

1860
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 3: cut your corn rolls off, pull your pants up, Like

1861
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 3: I remember he did an interview like that, and then

1862
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 3: like later played roles where he had corn rolls. And second,

1863
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 3: it's just like what Anthony just be saying anything like

1864
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:31,560
Speaker 3: That's why his face always.

1865
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 6: Damn look like that. Damn look like he hide in

1866
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 6: the secret that none of us know, and he's the

1867
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 6: only one that's.

1868
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 3: In the That's why his face, that's why his face

1869
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 3: looked like that, because he will say anything. Okay, that's

1870
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 3: why you don't talk to y'all in public, because he

1871
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 3: don't know what's coming out of his mouth.

1872
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 1: You just want to say, how the gas that you're.

1873
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 3: Gonna turn around and say something crazy to you, like

1874
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 3: make daddy a sandwich, and you're gonna be like, what

1875
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 3: the fuck's wrong with Anthony MACKI But yet, but these

1876
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:58,680
Speaker 3: interviews that he's given, at least the answers in the interviews,

1877
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 3: they sound like what I would want a guy who

1878
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 3: played that character to say, no idea, what.

1879
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 1: The fucking movie is gonna be?

1880
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 3: But he he's playing like he ain't sounding like the

1881
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 3: Anthony Mackett that totas pull our pants up and stop

1882
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 3: listening to hip hop. Now he's also like listen, man,

1883
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:19,680
Speaker 3: h I don't even know if you should call him

1884
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:20,599
Speaker 3: Captain America.

1885
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:21,639
Speaker 1: You should call him captain.

1886
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 3: He a good dude, because maybe America not always good.

1887
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, all right.

1888
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 5: All right, it's just such a it's so annoying that

1889
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 5: like we and I'm not surprised by that we live

1890
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 5: in such an infantilized culture. We're saying that representing a

1891
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 5: country as a whole might not always be perfect. Like

1892
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 5: that's such an obviously true statement to me, right, and like,

1893
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 5: but it's like the girl and this is of course

1894
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 5: he's running the country like people who are like adult

1895
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:50,680
Speaker 5: man children who don't want to accept concepts that things

1896
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 5: are complicated sometimes and like, of course, no shit, you don't,

1897
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 5: no shit, you want a character stands for goodness might

1898
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 5: not always be on the same side of a country,

1899
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:00,559
Speaker 5: because no country is perfect, and I you love. Of course,

1900
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 5: the people pointed out that two of the three Captain

1901
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 5: American movies, like you said, involves Steve Rogers going against America.

1902
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 5: But of course because he is the whitest of white people,

1903
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 5: that they're not going to question that, Like that's why.

1904
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 5: And also it's like it's just bad elements. Oh, it's

1905
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 5: just hydro Hydra took over America.

1906
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:17,719
Speaker 3: Right, Like I still remember when before Hydra. I still

1907
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 3: remember when that motherfucker was in Avengers and he found

1908
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 3: out Nate fearing them.

1909
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:25,799
Speaker 7: Had we but he was like, like I was Slate,

1910
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 7: What the fuck is this shit?

1911
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,759
Speaker 5: The thing that I get frustrated by, not even frustrated

1912
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 5: by it, because I'm not surprised by it, but like

1913
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 5: the people who are like the most raw raw America

1914
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:37,680
Speaker 5: and talking about how much they love it, they you

1915
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 5: would think, and of course I know why they're like this,

1916
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:41,719
Speaker 5: but you would think that they would be the most

1917
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 5: angry when bad fit about the bad parts of America's history,

1918
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 5: that like that, they'll be most angry about it because

1919
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 5: it's like we're not living up through ideals like we're

1920
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 5: the land of the Free, like you should be most angry.

1921
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:53,639
Speaker 4: And that thing I like about Captain America.

1922
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 5: But Steve Rodgers is that he actually is that, Like

1923
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:58,600
Speaker 5: he actually he believes the American idea so much that

1924
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 5: he actually has a pro when it doesn't live up

1925
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 5: to it. And I think that, Frankie, I think some

1926
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 5: of the most compelling rhetoric in America's history is when

1927
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,599
Speaker 5: people used like, hey, we said all men are created equal?

1928
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 4: Why are we not doing that?

1929
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 6: We say?

1930
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 5: That's for people like Steve Runer is like no, he's

1931
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:15,679
Speaker 5: ten toes down, Like, yes, you are not fucking with believing.

1932
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 3: I knew he was one of them ones when he

1933
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:19,679
Speaker 3: woke up saw a black man with an iPad standing

1934
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 3: over him and didn't say nothing.

1935
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 1: Racis like.

1936
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 3: He was just like, Okay, I accept you're in charge.

1937
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 3: I gotta run because I'm scared and I don't know

1938
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 3: where the fuck I'm at. But it wasn't like he welcome,

1939
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 3: was like, boy, give me a sandwich, and what is

1940
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:31,879
Speaker 3: this man.

1941
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Speaker 1: Knowing out of his serving uniform? Like that was a

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Speaker 1: good man.

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Speaker 3: All right, I got we gotta run because we got

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Speaker 3: a hard out of eight thirty.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell the guys where to find your podcast?

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Speaker 5: Of course, uh MC university Pod on Twitter, Blue Sky,

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Speaker 5: all that, and you can find Marvel Cinematic University on

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Speaker 5: all podcast platforms and on YouTube. You can watch our

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Speaker 5: lovely faces we talked about it. We also have a Patreon, Patreon,

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Speaker 5: dot com slash MC university Pod where we do two

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Speaker 5: bonus episodes a month if at least we do a mailbag,

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Speaker 5: and we also cover a franchise movie outside the MCU.

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Speaker 5: We're currently doing the John Wick movies, so John Wick

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Speaker 5: Chapter three, we'll be out next there.

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Speaker 3: Go go make sure y'all do that. Man, These guys

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Speaker 3: are so fun such good people.

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Speaker 1: We got to have you back.

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Speaker 3: Next time we have you back, we'll talk to you

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Speaker 3: guys about your tiktoks and stuff too, because that was

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Speaker 3: like a big deal and and I look forward to

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Speaker 3: hanging out with you guys again in the future. Man,

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Speaker 3: make sure you guys follow them for real, that these

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Speaker 3: are sort of the earth good guys. And especially if

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Speaker 3: you like the way we talk about nerd stuff, you'll

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Speaker 3: like the way they talk about nerd stuff. I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't steal you wrong. We'll be back Saturday for

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Speaker 3: our feedback show. Tomorrow we got a Hornets game, so

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Speaker 3: no show tomorrow, guys. Thursday, we may or may not

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Speaker 3: do the sports show. We'll let you guys know until

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Speaker 3: next time.

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Speaker 1: I love you you wh