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Speaker 1: School of Humans.

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Speaker 2: On the morning of Friday, October seventeenth, nineteen eighty, a

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Speaker 1: He was driving through the woods near.

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Speaker 2: It looked like a person lying in the road, so

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Speaker 2: a young woman lying rolled over on her right side.

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Speaker 2: Her head and shoulders were face down. Her right hand

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Speaker 2: The woman was very tall. She had a flannel shirt

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Speaker 2: Her legs were slightly open. She was naked from the

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Speaker 2: but soon police had idd her as twenty one year

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Speaker 1: She worked building Highway seventy one.

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Speaker 2: Friends said that everyone loved Gail. She was six foot two,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty five pounds, lean fit, and a

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Speaker 2: what was considered back then and even today as being

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Speaker 2: a man's job. Forensic testing showed that Gail had been

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Speaker 2: run over by a car. There was a condom and

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Speaker 2: condom wrapper nearby, so investigators believed that she had been raped.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes people, well meaning people say, well, at least she

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Speaker 2: to face what are sometimes brutal realities. I promise to

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Speaker 2: always tell people the truth. Investigators saw that her left

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Speaker 2: foot had moved back and forth in the mud, creating

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Speaker 2: a ridge. So, according to the evidence, whatever happened to

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Speaker 2: Gail Vaught in those woods, she suffered. But there are

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Speaker 2: a lot of questions about this case, like was she

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Speaker 2: actually raped, was she sexually assaulted? Or could that condom

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Speaker 2: have been staged? Could her death have connections to drug dealing,

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Speaker 2: or domestic violence or something else. What really happened to

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Speaker 2: Gail Vauught. I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the past five years

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Speaker 2: of making my true crime podcast, Helling Gone, I have

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Speaker 2: received hundreds of messages from people asking for help with

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Speaker 2: an unsolved murder that's affected them and their community. Despite

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Speaker 2: the numerous people who need help out there on each

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Speaker 2: season of Helen Gone, I've only been able to focus

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Speaker 2: on one case at a time.

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Speaker 1: But now that's going to change.

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Speaker 2: If you have a case you'd like me and my

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Speaker 2: is Helen Gone Murder Line. I first learned about this

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Speaker 2: case when I got a call from a private investigator

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Speaker 2: in Arkansas named Marty. Even though Marty has a day job,

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Speaker 2: he does investigations, including a lot of pro bono work

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Speaker 2: on the side. A few years ago, he was contacted

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Speaker 2: by Gail's sister, Teresa. He started working on Gail's case.

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Speaker 2: It's been over forty years since Gaile's death. It's been

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Speaker 2: so long that the police, who do not always want

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Speaker 2: to share evidence, have turned over the case file making

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Speaker 2: it public. This means they have gotten to what they

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Speaker 2: believe is the end of their investigation. Marty told me,

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Speaker 2: and I've discovered working on this case, that crucial physical

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Speaker 2: to give up on Gail's case. He believed and I

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Speaker 2: So we're trying to figure out what actually killed gailvaut.

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Speaker 2: The initial report said there was no sign of stabbing

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Speaker 2: There was a gunshot wound in Gail's head, hidden behind

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Speaker 1: As we said before, Gail was athletic.

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Speaker 2: police did find some other evidence at the crime scene,

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Speaker 2: doing some investigating. I'm trying to figure out where those

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Speaker 2: That kind of thing I would love to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: Investigators also found a roll of gray duct tape near

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Speaker 2: Investigators took picture of the tire tracks, and while they

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Speaker 2: they did. According to Gale's autopsy report, there were traces

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Speaker 2: and it turns out that there is a reasonable explanation

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Speaker 2: the time was a simple test called an acid phosphate test. Now,

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Speaker 2: this test is a way to screen for possible semen,

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Speaker 2: that could explain this. Why Gail would have a trace

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Speaker 2: it also could have been a trace from consensual sex

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Speaker 1: In this case.

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Speaker 2: Again, DNA testing was not a reality in nineteen eighty,

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Speaker 2: According to an email Marty got years later, in nineteen

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Speaker 2: But that crime lab continues to have issues. So back

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Speaker 1: The blood after around twelve hours.

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Speaker 2: Police started talking to people who Gail had talked to recently.

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Speaker 2: Gail and smoke some pot with her and Randy in

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Speaker 2: During their interview with Joe, police obviously were trying to

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Speaker 2: Joe Jones, like a lot of men on that crew

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Speaker 2: Police also wanted to talk to Sheila Gail's friend, the

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Speaker 2: end because Sheila told police she wasn't even around that weekend.

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Speaker 2: She told law enforcement she had known Gail for years.

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Speaker 2: She said they had been friends since nineteen seventy seven

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Speaker 2: actually seen Gail in months. She said that she was

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Speaker 2: when Sheila went into her apartment in Van Buren, she

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Speaker 2: actually found a letter from Gail. She took the letter

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Speaker 2: after Gail was dead. In that letter, Gail said she

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Speaker 2: Gail was telling everyone that she was going to see

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Speaker 1: Had no confirmed plans.

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Speaker 1: Pay for everything. They should hang out.

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Speaker 2: Sheila really couldn't give police any information about what Gail

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Speaker 2: she gave officers some more insight into Gail. She said

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Speaker 1: She said that Gail.

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Speaker 1: If anyone walked, it would not be her. End quote.

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Speaker 2: So Gail did not like being without her vehicle. She

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Speaker 1: And this will become important in a minute.

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Speaker 2: Sheila told police that in her opinion, this was one

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Speaker 2: Police asked Sheila if Gail had any issues with anyone.

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Speaker 2: She said not really, everyone like Gail, like a lot

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Speaker 2: She said she believed that Gail was somewhat afraid of Ray.

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Speaker 1: She was afraid of Ray.

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Speaker 2: She was acting like she was really scared that Randy

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Speaker 2: They were building the highway Highway seventy one in the

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Speaker 2: He said Ray had borrowed one hundred dollars from him

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Speaker 2: Police interviewed another friend of Gaile's name Don. She talked

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Speaker 2: Don said Gail showed up at that party by herself

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Speaker 2: According to Don, Gail appeared to be acting normally at

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Speaker 2: She would show up and get her drug of choice,

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Speaker 2: She told Don that she should come to Gaile's house

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Speaker 2: had some more insight into this altercation between Ray and Randy.

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00:24:28,805 --> 00:24:32,765
Speaker 2: She said Randy had showed Ray some marijuana plants, which,

437
00:24:32,805 --> 00:24:35,285
Speaker 2: according to Dawn, Ray had stolen from Randy.

438
00:24:36,325 --> 00:24:39,165
Speaker 1: A picture was starting to emerge of Ray.

439
00:24:39,805 --> 00:24:41,805
Speaker 2: People said that he had a habit of getting violent

440
00:24:41,805 --> 00:24:44,605
Speaker 2: when something set him off. We know that Gail was

441
00:24:44,645 --> 00:24:47,325
Speaker 2: at home on Thursday night because she called Joe from there.

442
00:24:47,765 --> 00:24:50,725
Speaker 2: So what happened when Ray got home that night? Did

443
00:24:50,805 --> 00:24:51,725
Speaker 2: something set him off?

444
00:24:53,085 --> 00:24:54,285
Speaker 1: Police talked to Ray.

445
00:24:55,085 --> 00:24:57,885
Speaker 2: He told them that on Thursday night he was out

446
00:24:57,925 --> 00:25:01,365
Speaker 2: all night selling drugs and hooking up with a woman,

447
00:25:01,925 --> 00:25:05,885
Speaker 2: a woman who was not Gail. So what really happened

448
00:25:05,925 --> 00:25:09,085
Speaker 2: on Thursday night? What happened on the night that led

449
00:25:09,125 --> 00:25:18,165
Speaker 2: up to Gail being killed. We've said before that Ray

450
00:25:18,245 --> 00:25:22,325
Speaker 2: dealt drugs. According to the case file, he dealt a

451
00:25:22,325 --> 00:25:26,285
Speaker 2: lot of different kinds, including caffeine pills, and a lot

452
00:25:26,285 --> 00:25:27,845
Speaker 2: of times he would do these deals with a guy

453
00:25:27,925 --> 00:25:31,245
Speaker 2: named Jody, who was a friend of his side note

454
00:25:31,285 --> 00:25:34,565
Speaker 2: here much later, one of the theories about Gail's murder

455
00:25:34,925 --> 00:25:37,405
Speaker 2: involved Gail owing a lot of money for drugs, or

456
00:25:37,445 --> 00:25:40,565
Speaker 2: about Ray being this big time drug dealer. But honestly,

457
00:25:40,645 --> 00:25:43,205
Speaker 2: other than a patch of marijuana that Ray grew that

458
00:25:43,245 --> 00:25:45,885
Speaker 2: the sheriff said he knew about, the only other drugs

459
00:25:45,885 --> 00:25:49,165
Speaker 2: we hear about him dealing are caffeine pills. So in

460
00:25:49,205 --> 00:25:51,365
Speaker 2: my opinion, this does not appear to go with the

461
00:25:51,405 --> 00:25:53,525
Speaker 2: image of Ray being this big time drug dealer.

462
00:25:54,045 --> 00:25:55,125
Speaker 1: We'll get back to that later.

463
00:25:55,765 --> 00:25:58,285
Speaker 2: For now, Ray claimed that on Thursday night, he was

464
00:25:58,325 --> 00:26:00,765
Speaker 2: at home getting ready to eat dinner. He said his

465
00:26:00,805 --> 00:26:03,445
Speaker 2: friend Jody called him and said he had some buyers

466
00:26:03,445 --> 00:26:06,845
Speaker 2: for pills he was selling, so needed him Ray to

467
00:26:06,885 --> 00:26:08,845
Speaker 2: go pick Jody up and take him to make this

468
00:26:08,925 --> 00:26:13,565
Speaker 2: drug deal. But Ray was having car trouble. He told

469
00:26:13,645 --> 00:26:16,565
Speaker 2: police that he could not get his truck started, so

470
00:26:16,805 --> 00:26:19,285
Speaker 2: Ray told police he waited for Gail to come home.

471
00:26:20,005 --> 00:26:22,365
Speaker 2: He told them that he said to Gail he was

472
00:26:22,405 --> 00:26:24,765
Speaker 2: going with Jody to do a deal. He said they

473
00:26:24,805 --> 00:26:27,565
Speaker 2: tried jumping the car with jumper cables off Gail's jeep,

474
00:26:27,605 --> 00:26:30,685
Speaker 2: but that didn't work, so he told police that he

475
00:26:30,765 --> 00:26:33,805
Speaker 2: asked Gail if he could use her jeep. Now, Ray

476
00:26:33,885 --> 00:26:37,725
Speaker 2: says that Gail told him yes, that was fine. I

477
00:26:37,765 --> 00:26:40,725
Speaker 2: have questions about this because this is contrary to what

478
00:26:40,765 --> 00:26:43,685
Speaker 2: we've heard about Gail, that she always was the one

479
00:26:43,725 --> 00:26:46,605
Speaker 2: to drive her car. Honestly, it seems pretty odd to

480
00:26:46,645 --> 00:26:49,845
Speaker 2: me that she would just be fine with lending it

481
00:26:49,925 --> 00:26:52,005
Speaker 2: to Ray so that he could go out and make

482
00:26:52,085 --> 00:26:55,645
Speaker 2: this drug deal. And as we will see, she and

483
00:26:55,765 --> 00:27:00,045
Speaker 2: Ray had a pretty volatile relationship. Also, we know that

484
00:27:00,245 --> 00:27:02,925
Speaker 2: Gail needed her car because she was planning to go

485
00:27:02,925 --> 00:27:04,685
Speaker 2: to work the next day to pick up her paycheck.

486
00:27:05,565 --> 00:27:07,645
Speaker 2: She had also told her friend Sheila, they would go

487
00:27:07,685 --> 00:27:09,685
Speaker 2: buy this acid and that she would pay for stuff,

488
00:27:09,925 --> 00:27:12,525
Speaker 2: so presumably she would need to go get her paycheck

489
00:27:12,565 --> 00:27:15,685
Speaker 2: for all that to happen. And finally, we know, from

490
00:27:15,725 --> 00:27:19,445
Speaker 2: what Sheila said to investigators, Gail did not like Ray's

491
00:27:19,445 --> 00:27:22,805
Speaker 2: friend Jody, So again I have doubts about this story.

492
00:27:22,805 --> 00:27:25,325
Speaker 2: That Ray told that Gail just handed him the car

493
00:27:25,405 --> 00:27:27,165
Speaker 2: keys and said, go on out and do whatever, do

494
00:27:27,205 --> 00:27:30,005
Speaker 2: your drug deal. But let's get back to Ray into

495
00:27:30,045 --> 00:27:36,125
Speaker 2: where the night took him. Ray said that once he

496
00:27:36,245 --> 00:27:39,365
Speaker 2: had Gail's jeep, he drove the car to Jody's house,

497
00:27:39,645 --> 00:27:41,685
Speaker 2: which was near the Fayettlee Country Club at the time.

498
00:27:42,365 --> 00:27:44,125
Speaker 2: He said he got there and picked Jody up at

499
00:27:44,165 --> 00:27:48,125
Speaker 2: around nine thirty or ten pm. After that, Ray said,

500
00:27:48,125 --> 00:27:49,765
Speaker 2: they went to get some beer at the Chuck Wagon

501
00:27:49,805 --> 00:27:53,965
Speaker 2: liquor store and then they delivered their pills. After doing that,

502
00:27:54,005 --> 00:27:56,325
Speaker 2: they went to Springdale, which was a few miles away,

503
00:27:56,365 --> 00:27:58,965
Speaker 2: to buy some pot. But when they got there, Ray said,

504
00:27:58,965 --> 00:28:01,445
Speaker 2: apparently their contact wasn't able to get what they wanted,

505
00:28:02,245 --> 00:28:05,085
Speaker 2: so they started heading back down Highway seventy one south

506
00:28:05,565 --> 00:28:08,965
Speaker 2: toward Fayetville. En route, they stopped at another liquor store,

507
00:28:09,045 --> 00:28:12,885
Speaker 2: the wy Liquor Store. They bought some more beer, then

508
00:28:13,325 --> 00:28:15,565
Speaker 2: drove the guys who they were doing the deal with

509
00:28:15,645 --> 00:28:18,405
Speaker 2: back to their place and dropped them off. Now they've

510
00:28:18,445 --> 00:28:20,725
Speaker 2: gone from a car full of guys to just Ray

511
00:28:20,725 --> 00:28:23,725
Speaker 2: and Jody. Ray and Jody went back to Tammy's house.

512
00:28:24,685 --> 00:28:28,085
Speaker 2: Now Tammy was this other woman, the woman who Ray

513
00:28:28,165 --> 00:28:31,485
Speaker 2: was seeing on the side. After they got to Tammy's,

514
00:28:31,605 --> 00:28:34,685
Speaker 2: Jody made a phone call and then Ray and Jody

515
00:28:34,725 --> 00:28:36,965
Speaker 2: took the jeep again. They were looking for a guy

516
00:28:37,045 --> 00:28:40,485
Speaker 2: they knew. They went looking for him a few minutes later.

517
00:28:40,725 --> 00:28:43,485
Speaker 2: Now it's between eleven and eleven thirty. They're trying to

518
00:28:43,485 --> 00:28:45,885
Speaker 2: buy some more drugs and they're successful this time. They

519
00:28:45,925 --> 00:28:49,165
Speaker 2: bought some quay lutes. Then Jamie, Jody, and Ray all

520
00:28:49,205 --> 00:28:51,125
Speaker 2: went back to Tammy's house. There were a few other

521
00:28:51,165 --> 00:28:54,965
Speaker 2: people partying there already, a girl named Sherry, another girl,

522
00:28:55,005 --> 00:28:59,645
Speaker 2: and another guy. So this group sat around partying, smoked

523
00:28:59,645 --> 00:29:03,205
Speaker 2: some pot, and then Ray and Tammy went to bed together.

524
00:29:03,965 --> 00:29:07,125
Speaker 2: Ray clarified they did up. They did have sex that night.

525
00:29:07,405 --> 00:29:10,645
Speaker 2: He admitted he was there all night. Jody slept on

526
00:29:10,685 --> 00:29:15,445
Speaker 2: the couch. The next morning, Friday, October seventeenth, Ray said

527
00:29:15,445 --> 00:29:17,765
Speaker 2: that he and Jody left the house at around six

528
00:29:17,885 --> 00:29:20,925
Speaker 2: or six thirty am. Ray said that he got home

529
00:29:21,005 --> 00:29:24,485
Speaker 2: to the apartment that he shared with Gail just after

530
00:29:24,525 --> 00:29:28,125
Speaker 2: seven am. This part of the story gets a little

531
00:29:28,165 --> 00:29:33,845
Speaker 2: weird now. According to the case file documents, Ray said

532
00:29:34,005 --> 00:29:36,565
Speaker 2: that he remembered this time because when he pulled up

533
00:29:36,565 --> 00:29:39,525
Speaker 2: to the house in Gail's jeep, he saw that the

534
00:29:39,565 --> 00:29:43,805
Speaker 2: door to his pickup truck was open. Apparently, the clock

535
00:29:43,845 --> 00:29:47,405
Speaker 2: on the dash said seven to ten am. But he

536
00:29:47,485 --> 00:29:50,285
Speaker 2: makes another comment later about this being an alarm clock,

537
00:29:50,405 --> 00:29:52,885
Speaker 2: so I don't know whether he means the clock in

538
00:29:52,925 --> 00:29:56,085
Speaker 2: the vehicle or another alarm clock that was sitting in there,

539
00:29:56,125 --> 00:29:58,565
Speaker 2: which seems very strange. I don't know if he was

540
00:29:58,565 --> 00:30:00,245
Speaker 2: trying to say that Gail had done that as some

541
00:30:00,325 --> 00:30:03,885
Speaker 2: kind of a message about him not being home. Unfortunately,

542
00:30:04,365 --> 00:30:07,765
Speaker 2: we only have Harshaal transcripts of these interviews. We have

543
00:30:07,885 --> 00:30:10,645
Speaker 2: no audio, so we can't go back and ask him,

544
00:30:10,685 --> 00:30:14,125
Speaker 2: and we don't know the context of those comments. We're

545
00:30:14,125 --> 00:30:16,005
Speaker 2: gonna have to ask some more questions about that because

546
00:30:16,005 --> 00:30:19,565
Speaker 2: it's a strange detail. It was just another unanswered question

547
00:30:19,725 --> 00:30:24,165
Speaker 2: in a case that is already full of them. Anyway,

548
00:30:24,205 --> 00:30:27,045
Speaker 2: after that, after he got home, Ray said he parked

549
00:30:27,085 --> 00:30:30,645
Speaker 2: Gail's jeep, climbed into his own vehicle, his truck, and

550
00:30:30,765 --> 00:30:33,325
Speaker 2: basically fell asleep. He said he passed out there for

551
00:30:33,365 --> 00:30:36,525
Speaker 2: a few hours. This is also weird, the fact that

552
00:30:36,565 --> 00:30:39,125
Speaker 2: he would go and sleep in his truck when his

553
00:30:39,205 --> 00:30:42,765
Speaker 2: house was right there. So the officer asked him why

554
00:30:42,765 --> 00:30:45,565
Speaker 2: he didn't go to sleep in the house. He said

555
00:30:45,685 --> 00:30:48,845
Speaker 2: something about Gail, and Gail would have been more pissed

556
00:30:48,845 --> 00:30:51,045
Speaker 2: off at him if she saw his vehicle and her

557
00:30:51,165 --> 00:30:53,605
Speaker 2: jeep and he wasn't there, which doesn't seem to make

558
00:30:53,605 --> 00:30:56,805
Speaker 2: any sense either. My theory is if Ray was telling

559
00:30:56,805 --> 00:30:59,365
Speaker 2: the truth that when he got home he just didn't

560
00:30:59,365 --> 00:31:01,365
Speaker 2: feel like facing her right at that moment, he had

561
00:31:01,485 --> 00:31:03,685
Speaker 2: taken her car. He's been out all night with another woman.

562
00:31:03,765 --> 00:31:05,685
Speaker 2: Now he's super hungover and he does not want to

563
00:31:05,765 --> 00:31:07,485
Speaker 2: knock on that door. Maybe she locked him.

564
00:31:07,365 --> 00:31:11,725
Speaker 1: Out, so Ray goes to sleep in the car. He

565
00:31:11,805 --> 00:31:12,845
Speaker 1: said that he woke up.

566
00:31:12,765 --> 00:31:15,125
Speaker 2: Around nine or nine thirty and had a headache, had

567
00:31:15,165 --> 00:31:18,045
Speaker 2: a bad hangover. He said he noticed that the jeep

568
00:31:18,125 --> 00:31:20,565
Speaker 2: was still there, and that's when he went inside the

569
00:31:20,605 --> 00:31:24,525
Speaker 2: apartment and went to sleep. Ray said that he crashed,

570
00:31:24,525 --> 00:31:26,365
Speaker 2: He slept for a while, and he woke up around

571
00:31:26,405 --> 00:31:29,445
Speaker 2: twelve thirty or one. He saw Gail was still not

572
00:31:29,525 --> 00:31:31,485
Speaker 2: there and the jeep was in the same spot.

573
00:31:32,325 --> 00:31:34,005
Speaker 1: So what does Ray do?

574
00:31:34,005 --> 00:31:36,365
Speaker 2: Does he call the police, start looking for his girlfriend,

575
00:31:36,405 --> 00:31:39,685
Speaker 2: who was very responsible, or go to her work site. No,

576
00:31:39,725 --> 00:31:42,565
Speaker 2: he doesn't do any of that. He called his other girlfriend,

577
00:31:42,605 --> 00:31:45,405
Speaker 2: Tammy again. He said that by two or two thirty

578
00:31:45,405 --> 00:31:48,925
Speaker 2: that afternoon, he had gone back to her house. Ray

579
00:31:48,965 --> 00:31:51,845
Speaker 2: had some speed pills that he gave Tammy and for

580
00:31:52,005 --> 00:31:55,085
Speaker 2: him that afternoon consisted of having some friends over to

581
00:31:55,125 --> 00:31:57,805
Speaker 2: his house. They tried to get his truck started and

582
00:31:57,845 --> 00:32:01,525
Speaker 2: weren't able to. Then he got his check cashed so

583
00:32:01,565 --> 00:32:03,925
Speaker 2: he got paid, and then stayed that night at Tammy's

584
00:32:03,965 --> 00:32:08,525
Speaker 2: house again, and now it's Saturday. Ray said that the

585
00:32:08,605 --> 00:32:12,485
Speaker 2: first he heard about Gail being missing or something happening

586
00:32:12,485 --> 00:32:15,765
Speaker 2: to her was when someone showed him a newspaper. He

587
00:32:15,885 --> 00:32:18,205
Speaker 2: said he saw an item about a woman's body being

588
00:32:18,245 --> 00:32:21,685
Speaker 2: found and the unidentified body wearing a Michelin jacket.

589
00:32:21,845 --> 00:32:23,965
Speaker 1: Because remember, Gail was a Jane Doe.

590
00:32:23,725 --> 00:32:26,805
Speaker 2: Before the police idd her, he said, when he saw

591
00:32:26,885 --> 00:32:29,445
Speaker 2: that the body had been wearing a Michelin jacket, he said,

592
00:32:29,525 --> 00:32:32,125
Speaker 2: right then he knew they had to be talking about Gail.

593
00:32:32,885 --> 00:32:34,605
Speaker 2: He said he went home, and by the time he

594
00:32:34,645 --> 00:32:37,645
Speaker 2: got there, the sheriff's police cruiser was parked outside his place,

595
00:32:39,485 --> 00:32:43,245
Speaker 2: so the police took Ray in for questioning. He insisted

596
00:32:43,325 --> 00:32:46,005
Speaker 2: he had nothing to do with Gail's disappearance. He seemed

597
00:32:46,045 --> 00:32:49,325
Speaker 2: genuinely shocked. He told police the same thing that others

598
00:32:49,325 --> 00:32:51,405
Speaker 2: had told them. He said she was well liked, she

599
00:32:51,485 --> 00:32:54,125
Speaker 2: was a hard worker, He said she was one of

600
00:32:54,165 --> 00:32:56,645
Speaker 2: the few women who could work in that man's atmosphere

601
00:32:56,965 --> 00:32:59,805
Speaker 2: and deal with it. He said that men liked her

602
00:33:00,085 --> 00:33:01,645
Speaker 2: and she got asked out a lot, but she was

603
00:33:01,725 --> 00:33:04,925
Speaker 2: able to deflect that, and that people respected her. He

604
00:33:04,965 --> 00:33:07,525
Speaker 2: mentioned Ray and who, as we said before, Gail dated

605
00:33:07,565 --> 00:33:10,045
Speaker 2: in the past. He also said there was someone else,

606
00:33:10,085 --> 00:33:12,645
Speaker 2: a superintendent at work, who had apparently made some sexual

607
00:33:12,645 --> 00:33:16,725
Speaker 2: comments toward Gail, but really there was nothing at work

608
00:33:16,805 --> 00:33:21,085
Speaker 2: that was alarming. Police zeroed in on Ray.

609
00:33:21,005 --> 00:33:21,845
Speaker 1: As their suspect.

610
00:33:22,285 --> 00:33:24,805
Speaker 2: They executed a search warrant for his apartment, the one

611
00:33:24,845 --> 00:33:29,245
Speaker 2: he shared with Gail. They didn't really find anything of

612
00:33:29,325 --> 00:33:32,405
Speaker 2: evidendiary worth. They found a roll of gray duct tape

613
00:33:32,445 --> 00:33:35,365
Speaker 2: similar to the tape that was found at the crime scene,

614
00:33:35,445 --> 00:33:37,925
Speaker 2: but that's also the same kind of tape that pretty

615
00:33:38,005 --> 00:33:39,765
Speaker 2: much everybody has at home in a drawer.

616
00:33:40,005 --> 00:33:41,285
Speaker 1: Again, nothing conclusive.

617
00:33:41,885 --> 00:33:44,285
Speaker 2: The search warrant also showed they took a pair of

618
00:33:44,325 --> 00:33:48,165
Speaker 2: Tony Rama brand Western brown cowboy boots size ten E

619
00:33:48,405 --> 00:33:53,205
Speaker 2: from Ray's residence, from the gun box that was found

620
00:33:53,285 --> 00:33:56,365
Speaker 2: at the crime scene, and the autopsy from the bullet

621
00:33:56,405 --> 00:33:59,285
Speaker 2: from Gail's head wound. They knew that Gail had been

622
00:33:59,325 --> 00:34:02,565
Speaker 2: killed with a twenty two caliber weapon, but police never

623
00:34:02,645 --> 00:34:06,205
Speaker 2: found that murder weapon, and police ruled Ray out pretty

624
00:34:06,285 --> 00:34:10,605
Speaker 2: quickly because he had this airtight alibi. According to law enforcement,

625
00:34:11,085 --> 00:34:12,965
Speaker 2: there were lots of people who said Ray was out

626
00:34:12,965 --> 00:34:15,365
Speaker 2: all night on Thursday and he didn't go home until

627
00:34:15,365 --> 00:34:20,485
Speaker 2: Friday morning. Years later, Marty the private investigator talked to Tammy,

628
00:34:21,205 --> 00:34:24,365
Speaker 2: Ray's other women at the time. Tammy said, yes, Ray

629
00:34:24,405 --> 00:34:26,765
Speaker 2: did stay at her place that night. She admitted they

630
00:34:26,765 --> 00:34:28,965
Speaker 2: were all into drugs and they were doing them and

631
00:34:29,005 --> 00:34:33,845
Speaker 2: partying that night. Several people, including Tammy, confirmed that Ray

632
00:34:34,085 --> 00:34:37,205
Speaker 2: was driving Gayle's cheap that night, and they said when

633
00:34:37,205 --> 00:34:39,685
Speaker 2: he left Tammy's in the morning, he left in that jeep.

634
00:34:40,485 --> 00:34:43,285
Speaker 2: Tammy said Ray was there all night. He may have

635
00:34:43,365 --> 00:34:45,565
Speaker 2: left for ten or fifteen minutes to run an errand,

636
00:34:45,605 --> 00:34:48,805
Speaker 2: but that was it. Tammy said she would love to

637
00:34:48,845 --> 00:34:51,925
Speaker 2: see justice for Gail. She said police had forced her

638
00:34:51,925 --> 00:34:54,725
Speaker 2: to look at the autopsy photos of Gail. She talked

639
00:34:54,725 --> 00:34:58,165
Speaker 2: about how hard they were to see. Police did foul

640
00:34:58,245 --> 00:35:01,685
Speaker 2: charges against Ray for possession of a controlled substance meeting marijuana,

641
00:35:02,205 --> 00:35:06,485
Speaker 2: but in nineteen eighty three those charges were dropped without prejudice,

642
00:35:07,085 --> 00:35:10,285
Speaker 2: meaning that charges could be refiled if new evidence ever emerged,

643
00:35:10,445 --> 00:35:14,925
Speaker 2: but that never happened. The case went cold, and in

644
00:35:15,005 --> 00:35:19,565
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, Ray Foreman died. Randy Wyman has also

645
00:35:19,645 --> 00:35:24,085
Speaker 2: passed away. In twenty twenty one, the Washington County Sheriff's

646
00:35:24,125 --> 00:35:25,765
Speaker 2: Office closed out their case file.

647
00:35:26,805 --> 00:35:29,645
Speaker 1: They said this was because of a lack of evidence.

648
00:35:29,605 --> 00:35:32,605
Speaker 2: And they noted, quote, this case file has been microfeached

649
00:35:32,605 --> 00:35:35,125
Speaker 2: and is very hard to read. Some of the pages

650
00:35:35,165 --> 00:35:37,125
Speaker 2: on some of the interviews are missing. It is the

651
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Speaker 2: recommendation of this reviewer that the case be classified as

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Speaker 2: a cold case homicide until such time as new evidence

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Speaker 2: is presented.

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Speaker 1: End quote. In April of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Two, someone named David rose Grant reviewed the case file

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Speaker 2: again and stated that the medical examiner said the victim

657
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Speaker 2: had been shot behind the ear with a twenty two

658
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Speaker 2: caliber weapon, but said the case file did not contain

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Speaker 2: an autopsy report and pretty much left it at that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure why he was unable to get the

661
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Speaker 2: autopsy report, because I was unable to get it. But

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Speaker 2: the reviewer's notes went on to state the victim was

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Speaker 2: also run over by a vehicle, that there were a

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Speaker 2: couple of suspects named in the case file, but not

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Speaker 2: enough physical evidence to charge anyone. And that has been

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Speaker 2: the story for the last forty years. So is there

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Speaker 2: any way to figure out what happened to Gaile? And

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Speaker 2: if so, what can we do next? A few years back,

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Speaker 2: Marty reached out to former Washington County Sheriff Herb Marshall,

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Speaker 2: who told Marty that he was always troubled by the

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Speaker 2: fact that quote, it happened to my county on my

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Speaker 2: watch end quote, And it's clear that it's a case

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Speaker 2: that has always haunted the former sheriff, even though he

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Speaker 2: left office shortly after Gale's body was found. The sheriff said, quote,

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Speaker 2: I figured in my mind that she owed somebody money

676
00:36:59,245 --> 00:37:02,205
Speaker 2: for drugs she wasn't paying for. My theory was Jody

677
00:37:02,285 --> 00:37:04,365
Speaker 2: and Ray needed a ride that night, so they called

678
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Speaker 2: her to come and get them, but he was out

679
00:37:06,445 --> 00:37:09,005
Speaker 2: running around. That's why she didn't have any shoes on.

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Speaker 2: She went and got into the jeep and went up

681
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Speaker 2: and picked him and Jody up. They got into it

682
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Speaker 2: because he wanted to drive her jeep. She would not

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Speaker 2: let nobody drive her jeep.

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Speaker 1: That's where I.

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Speaker 2: Thought that he took her out there and killed her

686
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Speaker 2: because she went and picked him up in quote, So

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00:37:24,365 --> 00:37:26,445
Speaker 2: the sheriff seemed to touch on one of the biggest

688
00:37:26,485 --> 00:37:28,645
Speaker 2: mysteries of the case. There the fact that Gail was

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Speaker 2: found wearing white socks, which by the way, were very

690
00:37:31,565 --> 00:37:34,845
Speaker 2: dirty and torn on the bottom, but she had no

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Speaker 2: shoes on, and her shoes, by the way, were never found.

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Speaker 2: But the sheriff's theory does not seem to make sense

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Speaker 2: because we know that Ray was driving Gail's jeep on

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Speaker 2: Thursday night. Multiple people saw him driving her vehicle. He

695
00:37:47,885 --> 00:37:52,605
Speaker 2: already had her vehicle, so Gail could not have gone

696
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Speaker 2: and picked him up.

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Speaker 1: She had no working.

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Speaker 2: Vehicle and he already had her car, so the kidnapping

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Speaker 2: theory makes less sense. And by the way, even in

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Speaker 2: another scenario, if Ray had called her and asked for

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Speaker 2: a ride, even if she raced to her car, this

702
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Speaker 2: was a raining, muddy night, I don't believe she would

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Speaker 2: have gone out and just socks with no shoes, So

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Speaker 2: let's recap Basically, there are a few theories that are

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Speaker 2: the main ones being talked about about what might have

706
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Speaker 2: happened to gal Vatt.

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Speaker 1: One was that her murder could have been.

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Speaker 2: Connected to drug dealing, possibly the drug dealing of her

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Speaker 2: boyfriend at the time, ray that Gail was kidnapped and

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Speaker 2: killed to send a message, or that she owed people

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Speaker 2: money for drugs.

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Speaker 1: When Marty interviewed.

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Speaker 2: Sheila years later, Sheila told him about a mutual acquaintance

714
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Speaker 2: of theirs who said he heard Gail was unconscious when

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Speaker 2: she was run over and that apparently her killer needed

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Speaker 2: to run her over more than once. We're going to

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Speaker 2: get a lot more into this in next week's episode.

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Speaker 2: In part two, we need to figure out whether these informants,

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Speaker 2: these people who were talking about rumors, are actually being truthful,

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Speaker 2: if they're actually providing any information that wasn't given to

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Speaker 2: the general public. Did they have information that on only

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Speaker 2: the killer would know, or could they have just been

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Speaker 2: spreading rumors, or could they have made up a story

724
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Speaker 2: for their own reasons, maybe to get a better deal

725
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Speaker 2: in exchange for a lighter sentence, or in.

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Speaker 1: Some cases I've seen on many cases.

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Speaker 2: People who want to appear to be really tough will

728
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Speaker 2: imply they've had something to do with an unsolved murder.

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Speaker 2: And the way to figure out these truthful confessions from

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Speaker 2: the fake ones is to ask again, do they have

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Speaker 2: any information that only the killer would know and to

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Speaker 2: really get into that, which we will next week. The

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Speaker 2: second possibility police seemed to have considered is that it

734
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Speaker 2: was some sort of a domestic violence incident gone wrong.

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Speaker 2: We know Ray had a history of domestic violence. We

736
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Speaker 2: know he abused his former wife. This is just a

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Speaker 2: supposition on my part, but I feel like Gail wanted

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Speaker 2: to be seen as this strong, resilient woman you could

739
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Speaker 2: take care of herself. So she seemed like the type

740
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Speaker 2: of person who would perhaps be hesitant about reaching out

741
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Speaker 2: and admitting that they're was something going on at home that.

742
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Speaker 1: She was being abused.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, we know that even the strongest women can be abused,

744
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Speaker 2: and often people are hiding things at home and we

745
00:40:17,085 --> 00:40:20,965
Speaker 2: only find that out afterwards. The third possibility is that

746
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Speaker 2: it was someone else, someone not connected to drug dealing,

747
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Speaker 2: not connected to an intimate relationship with Gail. Maybe someone

748
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Speaker 2: the police have spoken to, looked at and even interviewed

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Speaker 2: but it has never been arrested. Maybe someone who has

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Speaker 2: overlooked early on in the investigation.

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Speaker 1: So I went back. I looked at every.

752
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Speaker 2: Single document that we could get our hands on, and

753
00:40:42,645 --> 00:40:45,685
Speaker 2: everything that we could get connected to this case. In

754
00:40:45,765 --> 00:40:48,245
Speaker 2: a lot of these interviews, the pages have been lost.

755
00:40:48,805 --> 00:40:52,365
Speaker 2: We know the condom evidence has been lost, forensics are gone.

756
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Speaker 2: So I'm doing the best I can. I'm looking at

757
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Speaker 2: forty four year old, faded documents, trying to make out

758
00:40:57,605 --> 00:41:01,445
Speaker 2: the missing letters in these bleached out words. But among

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Speaker 2: all of them, I found something that I think is

760
00:41:03,485 --> 00:41:07,365
Speaker 2: super interesting. I found an interview police did with a

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Speaker 2: potential witness in nineteen eighty, someone who said that he

762
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Speaker 2: saw Gail hitchhiking. So on October seventeenth, nineteen eighty, hours

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Speaker 2: after Gail's body was found, police interviewed a twenty nine

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Speaker 2: year old man named laith Lane. He said that he

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Speaker 2: saw a woman matching Gail's description hitchhiking on Highway seventeen

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Speaker 2: on Thursday morning. The report said that on Thursday morning,

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Speaker 2: just after seven am, laith Lane was driving south on

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Speaker 2: Highway seventy one near the Ramada Inn when he saw

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Speaker 2: a white female with brown shoulder lenked hair in her

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Speaker 2: early twenties. He said that she was around maybe five

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Speaker 2: foot seven to five foot ten, with a medium build,

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Speaker 2: wearing a blue jacket with a light colored stripe on

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Speaker 2: the sleeve.

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Speaker 1: He got a good look at her, and after.

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Speaker 2: Police showed him pictures of Gail, he said that he

776
00:41:55,165 --> 00:41:58,245
Speaker 2: was pretty positive that it was Gaile Vauught and he

777
00:41:58,365 --> 00:42:03,885
Speaker 2: described her outfit perfectly Laithe said that he didn't pick

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Speaker 2: Gail up because he was traveling in the opposite direction

779
00:42:06,725 --> 00:42:08,845
Speaker 2: and thought it would be inappropriate to pick her up.

780
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Speaker 2: He told police he had never seen Gail before that

781
00:42:12,405 --> 00:42:15,325
Speaker 2: day or since. He said he saw her just that

782
00:42:15,405 --> 00:42:17,405
Speaker 2: one time when she was hitchhiking.

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Speaker 1: On that morning.

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Speaker 2: He said that he was on the road at around

785
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Speaker 2: six fifteen am. He and his wife were in the

786
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Speaker 2: car driving her to work in Springdale, which is about

787
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Speaker 2: nine miles around twenty minutes away from where they lived.

788
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Speaker 2: He said that he did not see this mystery woman

789
00:42:31,845 --> 00:42:34,005
Speaker 2: when he and his wife were driving. He only saw

790
00:42:34,005 --> 00:42:37,165
Speaker 2: her on the way back. A couple of things strike

791
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Speaker 2: me as odd about this story. First, he could not

792
00:42:40,765 --> 00:42:43,685
Speaker 2: have seen Gail on Thursday morning. Remember, we know from

793
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Speaker 2: what Don said that on Thursday morning Gail was driving

794
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Speaker 2: her jeep. Don saw Gail driving to talk to one

795
00:42:50,245 --> 00:42:52,285
Speaker 2: of their bosses and then getting back into her jeep

796
00:42:52,325 --> 00:42:56,285
Speaker 2: and driving away from the job site. Don remembers that

797
00:42:56,405 --> 00:42:58,165
Speaker 2: very well because it was the last time that she

798
00:42:58,205 --> 00:43:02,405
Speaker 2: ever saw Gail, so I started thinking, what if the

799
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Speaker 2: time of death is wrong. Police first said they thought

800
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Speaker 2: Gail was killed on Thursday night, but the autopsy report

801
00:43:08,685 --> 00:43:11,765
Speaker 2: explains that rigor mortis was just beginning in Gail's face.

802
00:43:12,285 --> 00:43:14,885
Speaker 2: So the medical examiner estimated the time of death between

803
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Speaker 2: eight and ten hours prior to when he examined her, which,

804
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Speaker 2: because he did the autopsyed around eleven thirty, would have

805
00:43:21,245 --> 00:43:24,685
Speaker 2: been in the early morning hours. Parts of Gail's body

806
00:43:24,685 --> 00:43:27,325
Speaker 2: were still warm to the touch. It takes about twelve

807
00:43:27,365 --> 00:43:31,085
Speaker 2: hours before a body cools completely. And finally, there was

808
00:43:31,125 --> 00:43:34,845
Speaker 2: the rain. It had been raining torrentially starting at around

809
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Speaker 2: two am that morning. The rain ended in the early

810
00:43:37,685 --> 00:43:43,525
Speaker 2: morning hours of October seventeenth, but the autopsy report specifically

811
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Speaker 2: mentions Gail's clothes and hair were wet but not saturated

812
00:43:48,125 --> 00:43:53,325
Speaker 2: with water, so it's very likely that she was killed

813
00:43:53,365 --> 00:43:58,565
Speaker 2: after that torrential rain stopped. Also, finally, the tire tracks

814
00:43:58,605 --> 00:44:01,285
Speaker 2: are fresh and they have a lot of detail in them.

815
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Speaker 2: If Gail had been killed prior to two am, they.

816
00:44:03,605 --> 00:44:06,165
Speaker 1: Would have been washed away in that soaking rental rain.

817
00:44:07,205 --> 00:44:09,685
Speaker 2: I think, based on what I've seen So far, the

818
00:44:09,765 --> 00:44:12,405
Speaker 2: evidence points to the fact that the police's time of

819
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Speaker 2: death was wrong, but we need to do more investigating

820
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Speaker 2: to be sure. We need to ask more questions about

821
00:44:18,005 --> 00:44:20,645
Speaker 2: the time of death and about the guy who said

822
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Speaker 2: he saw Gail on the side of the road, especially

823
00:44:23,365 --> 00:44:26,965
Speaker 2: since I noticed something else. Laith Lane was questioned on

824
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Speaker 2: October seventeenth, hours after Gail's body was found. How was

825
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Speaker 2: he able to describe exactly what she was wearing on

826
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Speaker 2: the day she was found dead, down to the Michelin

827
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Speaker 2: blue jacket. We also have to look back at Ray

828
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Speaker 2: because one of the reasons why the case against Ray

829
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Speaker 2: didn't go forward was reportedly because Ray had this airtight

830
00:44:47,885 --> 00:44:51,325
Speaker 2: alibi for Thursday night. We know that Gail was pissed

831
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Speaker 2: off at Ray if he stayed out all night with

832
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Speaker 2: her jeep, Imagine how angry Gail must have been by

833
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Speaker 2: Friday morning, and that would mean Ray's alibi for Thursday night,

834
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Speaker 2: that supposedly airtight albi, would not clear him. If Gail

835
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Speaker 2: died later, we have to ask ourselves, could he and

836
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Speaker 2: Gail have gotten into a fight after he showed up

837
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Speaker 2: on Friday morning, or what if something else happened? What

838
00:45:16,965 --> 00:45:21,085
Speaker 2: if Gail who woke up on Friday morning with no vehicle,

839
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Speaker 2: decided she was going to go and get her paycheck

840
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Speaker 2: from the work site.

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Speaker 1: If Gail did decide to.

842
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Speaker 2: Hitchhike that morning, she might have just missed Ray coming home.

843
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Speaker 2: So we have to ask could someone else have picked

844
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Speaker 2: her up along that wooded road. I'm Catherine Townsend. This

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