Speaker 1: This episode is one for the books. Nini digs up
Speaker 1: dirt on both Phaedra and Candy portious stress censor to
Speaker 1: the hospital. I become a doctor in analyzing this episode,
Speaker 1: and Mama Joyce isn't holding back on how she feels
Speaker 1: about Candy marrying Todd. TV personality Caitlin Bristow joins me
Speaker 1: to break down the episode. This is Real Housewives of Atlanta,
Speaker 1: Season six, Episode six, The Old Lady and the Shoe.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Are you a Housewives fan overall?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: Are you seasoned in all of the cities? Do you
Speaker 1: like one city in particular? And do you watch Atlanta?
Speaker 3: I am nervous to even say this, but this was
Speaker 3: the first Real Housewives episode I think I've ever watched
Speaker 3: in my whole life. I'm a fan of certain people
Speaker 3: from this show. For you, for example, Very I look
Speaker 3: up to you as a business woman so much and
Speaker 3: listen to your podcast all the time and get so
Speaker 3: many ideas, So thank you for that. But so I'm
Speaker 3: fans of certain people. But this is the first time
Speaker 3: I've actually sat down and watched an episode.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it was it was fun for me to watch.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's because some people do come in with
Speaker 1: that perspective. So to give you So Atlanta's on now,
Speaker 1: I think I don't know what season they're in. You know,
Speaker 1: currently it's a very different show. It doesn't do as
Speaker 1: well as it used to, like currently the ratings. You know,
Speaker 1: these cities have different it ebbs and flows, and for
Speaker 1: a while Atlanta was the star during like I think
Speaker 1: it was the Porsche and Naney days, Atlanta was the star.
Speaker 1: And like New York, when certain people have left the
Speaker 1: and it gets refreshed and rebooted, it gets ruined. So
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the current but I hear I hear nothing,
Speaker 1: which is now a good sign. I absolutely hear nothing
Speaker 1: about it, and that means that you know, it's not
Speaker 1: doing that great right now. Not that it's I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's a fine show. People are invested, but it's just
Speaker 1: not where it was.
Speaker 4: So this to me.
Speaker 1: Was I mean earlier than this, but this was kind
Speaker 1: of in its heyday, Like this was in because I
Speaker 1: had seen this episode and I haven't seen I have
Speaker 1: not seen most of Atlanta, but back in the day
Speaker 1: I really liked it and really tuned in, and this
Speaker 1: was part of that era, So it was good for
Speaker 1: me to throw back back and go back into it
Speaker 1: and be reminded when Atlanta it was really good and
Speaker 1: I'm sure it'll be good again.
Speaker 4: You know every show takes you know has Yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel that way a lot of a lot like
Speaker 3: The Bachelor Bachelorette. Oh yeah, Like the ratings go up
Speaker 3: and down and it's it's like it ebbs and flows,
Speaker 3: same thing as what you're saying. So it was It's
Speaker 3: interesting for me to watch too, because I'm I got
Speaker 3: invested or I was like, well, what are they doing now,
Speaker 3: like after that girl fainted this year? Okay now? Or
Speaker 3: is it like what came of all these things? So
Speaker 3: I probably have questions for you.
Speaker 1: It felt like you were watching a soap opera that
Speaker 1: you had no idea who these people were, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you just cared about what the hell
Speaker 1: was going on. Yeah, this was a pretty so I've
Speaker 1: seen a lot of Jersey episodes where men are like
Speaker 1: fistfighting and crazy stuff, and people are in Atlanta where
Speaker 1: people are ripping each other's hara. This to me was
Speaker 1: an iconic Atlanta episode. Shout out to my producers for
Speaker 1: choosing it it was iconic because of that bridal scene,
Speaker 1: and we'll get into it, but it was an iconic
Speaker 1: Atlanta episode.
Speaker 4: This is back.
Speaker 1: I just thought the show was so entertaining then, because
Speaker 1: I keep going back to this thought as we have
Speaker 1: a current new cast in New York and a newly,
Speaker 1: very very glossy produced show. This was back when it
Speaker 1: was messy and I like things messier. And you brought
Speaker 1: up The Bachelor and the Bachelorette and people have said that,
Speaker 1: you know, Chris, of course that's who they've cast in
Speaker 1: the show, but Chris Harrison leaving affected the ratings. This
Speaker 1: is one The show is really messy and not perfect,
Speaker 1: and what do you think about that?
Speaker 4: In a bachelor here?
Speaker 3: I love that too, I think you know, I think
Speaker 3: people well, first of all, there used to be alcohol
Speaker 3: flowing all the time, and it was just kind of like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, comical to watch from a fan perspective,
Speaker 3: because there was no limit and there it was messy
Speaker 3: and people could do whatever and get away with so
Speaker 3: many things, where now everybody's worried about certain things. And
Speaker 3: now we've gone back to kind of the same format
Speaker 3: where it's the same bully every season. The same victim,
Speaker 3: the same thiss and I do miss the messy days
Speaker 3: because now there's a two drink limit and it's just
Speaker 3: not what it used to be. And I and I
Speaker 3: agree about the Chris Harrison thing. It just kind of
Speaker 3: changed after that.
Speaker 4: Interesting, So we're saying the same thing.
Speaker 1: You're saying, it's more heavily produced now even without the alcohol,
Speaker 1: that there's a format and you can predict it and
Speaker 1: you could study it as a bachelor. You could study
Speaker 1: it as a bachelor or a bachelorette walking into it
Speaker 1: and try to produce yourself, and it just doesn't It's
Speaker 1: a the same thing for the final product is not
Speaker 1: the same. The audience doesn't trust it. We're also in
Speaker 1: the world now where there's citizens journalism.
Speaker 4: TikTok. Real is very real, unedited, no lying is very in.
Speaker 1: A girl pretty much got canceled for having fake eyelashes
Speaker 1: on in a mascare ad on TikTok.
Speaker 4: So I saw that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I feel like we're in the era at
Speaker 1: the same time that we're in the era of people
Speaker 1: wanting real reality. Ironically, reality shows are overproduced, over sanitized,
Speaker 1: over waxed and shiny now and the viewer can tell
Speaker 1: the difference the viewers.
Speaker 3: Getting really smart, and I do think you're right. There's
Speaker 3: so many people myself included, where I go on my
Speaker 3: podcast and I talk about, well, what really happens behind
Speaker 3: the scenes and how you know, so many people now
Speaker 3: are going on to be TikTok influencers, to be Instagram
Speaker 3: models and influencers, and we as viewers see right through it.
Speaker 3: And I think it's because, uh, you know, people like
Speaker 3: to expose the shows like that too, because it's nice
Speaker 3: to know what is real, what is edited, what is fake,
Speaker 3: what is you know, manipulated.
Speaker 1: Also, so back then, it used to be normal, messy
Speaker 1: human beings cast on the Housewives, totally imperfect. Their homes
Speaker 1: weren't perfect, nothing was perfect, no one. There was no
Speaker 1: social media. So now I bet you on the Bachelor
Speaker 1: and Bachelorette series, people are being cast because they have
Speaker 1: a social media following, and so it's a circular reference
Speaker 1: where they're they're going on the show to get more famous,
Speaker 1: and they don't really have good intentions. I found that
Speaker 1: on my show that most of the people that came
Speaker 1: on to the show the big shot wanted.
Speaker 4: To be famous. They didn't really want the job, Yes exactly.
Speaker 3: I feel that, and a lot of reality TV shows
Speaker 3: now I find that, and it's it's losing the charm
Speaker 3: of it as well, because I find that watching people
Speaker 3: who really weren't on for anything but like you know,
Speaker 3: for example, Obviously, that's what I'm going to continue to
Speaker 3: relate back to because I experienced it, but it was
Speaker 3: not an opportunity to have a brand or a business,
Speaker 3: and it was it was more charming back then because
Speaker 3: people were really there for love and they didn't really.
Speaker 4: Know what to expect exactly.
Speaker 3: And so now you kind of see through people and
Speaker 3: nobody's being as authentic as they used to be, and
Speaker 3: it's just all not as enjoyable to watch.
Speaker 1: So the medium has changed so real the headline is
Speaker 1: that reality television ironically has morphed into something scripted, formatted,
Speaker 1: produced and perfect and normal people who are literally reality
Speaker 1: are becoming famous and that's being celebrated.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 1: You look like a cross between Jenna Dewant and Megan
Speaker 1: Fox to me, which is certainly.
Speaker 4: Nothing that anyone would be upset about.
Speaker 1: I'm like sure, and she's wearing a sweatshirt in the
Speaker 1: morning with a ponytail, so and don't worry.
Speaker 4: I haven't. I haven't washed my hair in two days,
Speaker 4: all right, So, oh the beauty, this is greasy.
Speaker 3: The thank you, as are you? And this is greasy.
Speaker 3: I just came from the gym, so this is dry
Speaker 3: sweat as well, So thank you so much. That's very
Speaker 3: nice of you.
Speaker 1: Beautiful okay, but very sweet also. So all right, so
Speaker 1: we're getting into this. This is the Real Housewives of Atlanta.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: So Candy's assistant is her best friend. Like that's a
Speaker 1: headline to me, Like, let's just start with that. You
Speaker 1: imagine your assistant being your best friend.
Speaker 4: I cannot. I could not. I could not either.
Speaker 3: Although my assistant is like one of the most loveliest
Speaker 3: human beings on the planet that I could see her
Speaker 3: becoming almost family, but a best friend. I could never
Speaker 3: tell my best friend to do stuff for me.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You have a best friend your whole life, since it
Speaker 1: sounded like they were twelve years old at least, and
Speaker 1: then later and there's.
Speaker 4: But it goes both ways.
Speaker 1: Because you want to help your best friend. Maybe she
Speaker 1: needed a job, maybe she could use the money. Maybe
Speaker 1: you overpay her. It's amazing, but there's definitely a fine,
Speaker 1: fine line, and this show really really crosses it because
Speaker 1: now we still come out of the gate with Carmen
Speaker 1: her best friend, saying that Candy's mom thinks that she's
Speaker 1: having an affair with Todd, Like, okay, and they're about
Speaker 1: to get married.
Speaker 3: I know, mom is her name, Mama Joyce. That's who
Speaker 3: it is, right, Yes, the mom.
Speaker 2: Okay, she.
Speaker 3: From what it sounds like on this episode. And they
Speaker 3: even say I think she likes to make anything dramatic,
Speaker 3: so she's just I feel like she just made it
Speaker 3: up to cause some drama.
Speaker 4: She's like, no, let's say that you're hooking up with
Speaker 4: that person. Let's cause some drama.
Speaker 1: Well I've never said this out loud, but I have
Speaker 1: thought that she wants to be famous. But like you
Speaker 1: could see when people around you really like it, and
Speaker 1: that's okay. But it seems like she's gotten attention for
Speaker 1: it on the show and really likes it. But I
Speaker 1: think it is who she really is, because Carmen sort
Speaker 1: of indicates and implies and sort of says that this
Speaker 1: has been a dynamic that's been going on a long time.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, she's not in the center of the
Speaker 3: photo wall and she wants to be this and that's right,
Speaker 3: it could be really who she is. But also she's
Speaker 3: really really leaning into that.
Speaker 1: She's not cheating it up. I think that, yes, reality TV.
Speaker 1: It's exactly what that is reality TV. Anything that would
Speaker 1: normally happen gets maximized and highlighted and blown up thirty
Speaker 1: like thirty times. Like if you would say to someone, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I would have chosen that top.
Speaker 1: On reality TV, you'd be like, that top is whack,
Speaker 1: you know it's.
Speaker 3: And then and then the music that they can play
Speaker 3: behind it, that adds to the dramatic effect.
Speaker 1: That's funny. Yes, that's really funny. So you wouldn't know this,
Speaker 1: But Todd, Candy's husband is a Real Housewives producer that
Speaker 1: she met on the show. So they broke the fourth wall,
Speaker 1: got together, got you know, and are getting married on
Speaker 1: the show. And now he's a cast member. He went
Speaker 1: from being a crew member to being a cast member.
Speaker 4: WHOA, I didn't know that. That's yeah.
Speaker 3: I like when shows break the fourth wall. But that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Well, right, because on the Bachelor, people have gotten trucked
Speaker 1: in trouble because producers have had affairs.
Speaker 4: We haven't thought about that.
Speaker 1: We've never made that connection that producers have had affairs
Speaker 1: with cast members and then both people have gotten fired
Speaker 1: and taken off the show, and on the Housewives it's
Speaker 1: celebrated and now he gets rewarded and becomes a cast
Speaker 1: member because that's good TV on the Housewives, but not
Speaker 1: on the Bachelor.
Speaker 4: Definitely not on the Bachelor.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, So like somehow psychologically it feels like a
Speaker 1: young cast member on The Bachelor's being taken advantage of
Speaker 1: by a member of power or member of the crew,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel like that on Housewives.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a good point. I have seen some and
Speaker 3: stuff has come out in the past about it. But
Speaker 3: there's definitely been some inappropriate relationships between people in power,
Speaker 3: you know, and and the cast members of Bachelor. And
Speaker 3: I'm surprised more hasn't come out, but it definitely happens.
Speaker 3: It's a shame.
Speaker 1: Sometimes, like Ramona got really mad when we haven't even
Speaker 1: gotten too the showy because this is a BTS, but
Speaker 1: Ramona got Ramona from The New York Housewives got mad
Speaker 1: because a crew member ate our crab cakes, the food
Speaker 1: that I had made for us, and it was when
Speaker 1: we were on this Scary Island iconic episode that went sideways,
Speaker 1: and so one of the crew was like eating their
Speaker 1: feelings and stressed out because it was it went crazy.
Speaker 1: So they were eating our food, but like normally the
Speaker 1: crew isn't using our bathroom eating our food. I'm shooting
Speaker 1: from my YouTube series with a with a Housewives producer
Speaker 1: and at my house, I said, because we were all
Speaker 1: sweating it was super hot. If you want a shower here,
Speaker 1: and I have guest houses and basements and other areas
Speaker 1: and it could be in my bedroom, I don't care.
Speaker 1: And he was like, it's okay, but thank you, like
Speaker 1: he felt it was like a very thank you because
Speaker 1: cast is not telling crew to shower in their house
Speaker 1: and they're not. So crew isn't using your jacuzi or
Speaker 1: your pool. It's like they have their own place to stay.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting.
Speaker 4: It is interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of weird gray
Speaker 3: areas and lines don't know like what's appropriate to cross
Speaker 3: or where it gets weird. Especially on that show. You're
Speaker 3: spending so much time with you know, the crew and
Speaker 3: production and you get so close to them that that
Speaker 3: line becomes a little bit blurry of what's appropriate and
Speaker 3: what's not.
Speaker 4: And the boundaries have really been blurred.
Speaker 1: When I went on The Apprentice years ago, crew did
Speaker 1: not even speak to cast unless it was like doing
Speaker 1: an interview bite or something professional.
Speaker 4: There's no ever talking to them.
Speaker 1: And so I walked into Housewives thinking that and it
Speaker 1: was completely different. Jill had, you know, producers staying at
Speaker 1: her Jill from New York Housewives had producers staying at
Speaker 1: her house to go cast people. And you're eating meals
Speaker 1: with them and drinking wine with them, and it's the
Speaker 1: lines are blurred. They should maybe go back the way
Speaker 1: it was, so you know they're not So speaking of boundaries,
Speaker 1: where do you stand on setting boundaries with a parent
Speaker 1: and child relatedationships when both people are adults. So I
Speaker 1: even I have boundaries with my daughter who's thirteen. But
Speaker 1: I've seen so many people before who don't know how
Speaker 1: to say to their parents, this is where the line is,
Speaker 1: this is where it's not, and this is unacceptable. I'm
Speaker 1: an adult, I make my own money or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: and it's not acceptable for you to behave this way.
Speaker 1: And Candy and Mama Joyce's dynamic could not be more
Speaker 1: of a blurred line, and I think it's wildly inappropriate.
Speaker 1: And Candy really is a little bit of a doormat
Speaker 1: to her mother. She just has creates no boundaries. So
Speaker 1: what do you think about that?
Speaker 3: Ugh, I have I've done so much in her child
Speaker 3: work and therapy, and like I did at the beginning
Speaker 3: of the year, this whole week retreat of it, so
Speaker 3: I feel like so aware of certain boundaries and things
Speaker 3: that I've worked on personally. And when I was watching that,
Speaker 3: I just kept thinking, Wow, that they could really benefit
Speaker 3: from Hoffmann the retreat that I just went to for
Speaker 3: inner child work, because she's just grown up like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's all she knows, and she's never it
Speaker 3: seems like, I obviously this is just from me watching
Speaker 3: one episode. It feels like she's never been able to
Speaker 3: stand up to her mom, because even Todd was like,
Speaker 3: you've got to stand up for yourself. And I just
Speaker 3: don't understand personally, because my mom and I have such
Speaker 3: an incredible relationship, but there are so many hard boundaries
Speaker 3: and you kind of have to become the parent at
Speaker 3: some point as a child when you turn into an adult,
Speaker 3: and I know that's hard for parents sometimes, but my
Speaker 3: mom does so much work on herself too, that it
Speaker 3: was like a very easy transition for us as long
Speaker 3: as we could have healthy communication. But it just seems
Speaker 3: like they've never practiced, that, they've never had that, and
Speaker 3: like it would be hard to start now.
Speaker 1: She's your mother's meeting you where you're at and vice versa.
Speaker 1: And I don't get into like opining so strongly. And
Speaker 1: Candy's smart and strong and a badass in her own
Speaker 1: life except for this one relationship.
Speaker 4: And that's what's really fascinating.
Speaker 1: And I've seen it before, grown you know, successful adults
Speaker 1: with her with their parents. So Nini and Greg, it's
Speaker 1: so interesting to watch, is Nini in my opinion? Well,
Speaker 1: Nini not. In only my opinion, Nini is an iconic
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame housewife. She's sitting with her husband, Greg,
Speaker 1: who has now passed. They had gotten yep, they got divorced,
Speaker 1: then they got back together. I think this is before
Speaker 1: they even got divorced. It has been a rollercoaster with them,
Speaker 1: and he's passed away, and they're talking to these other
Speaker 1: two people about Phaedra, who you later see is studying
Speaker 1: to be a mortician, which is real and Nini's sharing
Speaker 1: that Phaedra has the reputation of being the head.
Speaker 4: Doctor Dick surgeon.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm sorry to bring this up to you,
Speaker 1: but it sounds like Nini's saying that Paedra has a
Speaker 1: question of reputation. So it felt to me like, and
Speaker 1: that's what Nani's messy, okay. And the thing about reality
Speaker 1: TV is that we want them to be real, but
Speaker 1: we also want them to edit themselves, and it's not
Speaker 1: fair if you were talking to a girlfriend. There are
Speaker 1: some things that your girlfriend would say to you that
Speaker 1: they would never dare to say on TV. And what
Speaker 1: I like about Nini is she's willing to just be
Speaker 1: who she is off camera on camera. So while it's
Speaker 1: not appropriate for her to share that with two other people,
Speaker 1: which is where you lose me, you're kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what Ninni thinks of Phaedra, and she's just saying
Speaker 1: it on television, So what do you think about this?
Speaker 3: I struggle with that too because I'm I am such
Speaker 3: an open book and on my season of Bechelort I
Speaker 3: was considered like the most controversial because I talked about
Speaker 3: sex because I had sex before the fantasy suite and
Speaker 3: it was Wow, it was a whole thing, and I
Speaker 3: was so confused by it because I grew up in Canada.
Speaker 3: I grew up we talked very openly about like what
Speaker 3: was happening in relationships. Would sit down with my family
Speaker 3: and have like feelings meetings and just really open, honest
Speaker 3: and you were always accepted for just being who you
Speaker 3: were and we would talk through it. Where I went
Speaker 3: onto a television show just so naive. I have never
Speaker 3: done TV in my life, and I just thought, like,
Speaker 3: I didn't understand that I was going to get backlash,
Speaker 3: and then I didn't understand the backlash when it happened.
Speaker 3: But I really wanted to stay true to who I was,
Speaker 3: and I kind of channeled it into women empowerment and
Speaker 3: having a voice and being you know, a person who
Speaker 3: can talk about this and I'm you know, it kind
Speaker 3: of let me step outside of this box of what
Speaker 3: has been made for the bachelorettes.
Speaker 1: And so now we did it Land did it ultimately?
Speaker 4: Land?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yes. It went from me feeling rock bottom and like
Speaker 3: getting a lot of hate and slut shaming to turning
Speaker 3: into like, no, this is who I am and built
Speaker 3: a community around it. And it's been like one of
Speaker 3: the most empowering things for me. Where now I just
Speaker 3: go like, if somebody were to say that on TV
Speaker 3: about me now or talk about that time in my life,
Speaker 3: I have like pride in where I came from and
Speaker 3: how it happened and who I am. So I'm kind
Speaker 3: of okay with it. It just kind of depends on
Speaker 3: the person if they are or not me personally, I
Speaker 3: could talk about anything. I don't know their dynamic and
Speaker 3: relationship over all the seasons. So I'm like, is this
Speaker 3: typical of Nini and is Theedra she is? She hurt
Speaker 3: by it?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Faedra is a great TV character. I
Speaker 1: mean it's embarrassing.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 1: I mean, I once my only regret ever on television
Speaker 1: is calling someone like a sort of slut slur based
Speaker 1: on behavior that I had seen that was hypocritical to
Speaker 1: be honest, but that's not what we're talking about. I
Speaker 1: feel like it was just a random shot, So I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, it felt like a random shot just to
Speaker 1: like she doesn't like Phaedra. And a lot of times
Speaker 1: on these shows they want to just character assassinate versus
Speaker 1: calling out the thing that's actually going going on, and
Speaker 1: that's just a lot hanging fruit, no pun intended, so
Speaker 1: no pun intended. So and yeah, and I guess, but
Speaker 1: that's hard to resist. Sometimes if someone has a reputation,
Speaker 1: often it's that someone's hypocritical, and you know, Phaedra acts
Speaker 1: like she's very a Southern bell. So then if she's
Speaker 1: giving you know, blowjobs to everybody she knows and it's
Speaker 1: got and she has a reputation, it's going to be
Speaker 1: tempting on these shows to call it out. It's like,
Speaker 1: for me, it was a woman who tries to act
Speaker 1: like she's a royal and tell other people how to
Speaker 1: act in etiquette, and she has a very you know,
Speaker 1: questionable reputation in many areas, so it's irresistible to bring
Speaker 1: it up because of how much someone tries to act
Speaker 1: like they're better. Then, so it's never in a vacuum.
Speaker 1: If you were on the show acting like you were
Speaker 1: a complete prude and a nun and then people found
Speaker 1: out that you had had sex before the fantasy suite
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, it's the combination, I think, versus
Speaker 1: the thing in and of itself.
Speaker 3: That's a really good point. It feels more like and
Speaker 3: Nini was just trying to like, like it might even
Speaker 3: be her humor. I'm not sure to just take jabs
Speaker 3: or yeah, that's so. I'm kind of like that too,
Speaker 3: where that's sometimes where you got to put your foot
Speaker 3: in your mouth and go, oh, I just did that
Speaker 3: thing that I do and it might hurt somebody's feelings.
Speaker 1: Exactly, but we're on a reality show, so I gotta
Speaker 1: be me and then I'm gonna right now, it's a
Speaker 1: whole circular reference. So if Apollo, Apollo later goes to jail,
Speaker 1: is Faedra's husband and he's texting Kenya, So I don't
Speaker 1: know what the hell that means, and I know that
Speaker 1: Kenya and Phaedra don't like each other, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I don't even need to know what the hell that means.
Speaker 1: I vaguely remember it, but it's fucked up. It's unacceptable,
Speaker 1: and it's literally black and white. There's nothing I need
Speaker 1: to discuss, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. Even just watching that one part, I
Speaker 3: was like, and his apology was just so uh inauthentic.
Speaker 3: It was it didn't feel real. He was just kind
Speaker 3: of dismissing her feelings and just being like, oh, it's
Speaker 3: not a big deal. But really, if it was the
Speaker 3: other way around, it probably would have been a big deal.
Speaker 4: And I just hate the double standard.
Speaker 1: But I could see a little bit from him. It
Speaker 1: seems like a man. You know, men, I've had this experience.
Speaker 1: Men get a masculated by strong, successful women, and it
Speaker 1: seems like he has no purpose and no real job
Speaker 1: and he's emasculated by her success. And he's saying that
Speaker 1: he kind of wants the old Phedro, which to me
Speaker 1: says before the show. And even though he seems like
Speaker 1: not the greatest guy, it brought up to me how
Speaker 1: relationships really can't weather reality television, like the person is
Speaker 1: going to change, and it's just it's not natural for
Speaker 1: this to.
Speaker 3: I had that written down in my notes. I literally
Speaker 3: had it written down when I was watching the show,
Speaker 3: being like, he is so emasculated, he's not getting the
Speaker 3: attention he used to do. I'm not a man hater,
Speaker 3: love men, but they are such babies and that's how
Speaker 3: I felt watching this me too.
Speaker 1: He's an insecure he's not the moneyed spouse and he's
Speaker 1: displacing it and he feels inferior. And so the way
Speaker 1: that men do this with women is to then find
Speaker 1: other ways to exert their power because they really don't
Speaker 1: have any, so they find other ways. And you can
Speaker 1: see this here. I've been through this so she I
Speaker 1: mean the fact that I love the fact that she's
Speaker 1: opening a mortuary. I think it's genius on television. Noone's
Speaker 1: ever done it. She should have renamed her character on
Speaker 1: the show Mortsha, you know. So what do you think
Speaker 1: about I am by the way. I literally this is
Speaker 1: such an example of not until you have a tween
Speaker 1: understanding something. I cannot imagine talking about anything to do
Speaker 1: with sex or the sex talk, or my daughter having
Speaker 1: a boyfriend on television. I think it's a violation. I
Speaker 1: think the pan I actually in watching it in a vacuum.
Speaker 1: I think they seem like great parents. Cynthia is a
Speaker 1: great co parent. He seems like a great co parent.
Speaker 1: She seems to choose good men, even though she's divorced
Speaker 1: from both of them. She may not choose good men
Speaker 1: for her, but she has good, really relationships with the
Speaker 1: men that she's been in relationships with now. And that's
Speaker 1: hard to do and I haven't been able to achieve that.
Speaker 1: But I'm struck by how much of a violation and
Speaker 1: breaking a boundary it is to talk about anything about
Speaker 1: Atween's dating or sex life on television. It's just it's wrong.
Speaker 1: It's not good for them. I agree it there's nothing
Speaker 1: good about it.
Speaker 3: I agree they don't know, Like they're so fragile at
Speaker 3: that time in their life and they have only their
Speaker 3: parents to look up to for advice, and so if
Speaker 3: they're they don't really have a choice, like, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: my parents are talking about this on TV. You haven't
Speaker 3: given them a choice. It feels my God, and it
Speaker 3: feels like what you said, like two things can exist.
Speaker 3: They are great co parents. They look like they have
Speaker 3: like a strong relationship with their daughter where they have
Speaker 3: that trust and respect to have these kinds of conversations.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, it's in my opinion as well,
Speaker 3: wrong to expose that on TV because I don't feel
Speaker 3: like you're protecting your child at that point.
Speaker 1: I really don't, And I really did not know this
Speaker 1: at all, then I wouldn't have thought about it's a
Speaker 1: scene in a show. But like, you can't say the
Speaker 1: daughter agreed to it, because she's a child, and my
Speaker 1: daughter will do anything I want to make me happy
Speaker 1: for the most part, you know, and you sometimes can
Speaker 1: see when your kids get a little uncomfortable, but they're
Speaker 1: going along with it and they can't process their feelings
Speaker 1: to use their voice. One of the things I say
Speaker 1: to Brand a lot about she's been in situations in
Speaker 1: the past where she's felt uncomfortable, not with me, but
Speaker 1: about circumstances in my divorce. And the one thing that
Speaker 1: the therapist says is to it doesn't matter if she
Speaker 1: gets the results she wants, so she has to learn
Speaker 1: to use her voice, showing me that they would not
Speaker 1: their their mind and their voice can't keep up with
Speaker 1: ketch up with their emotions to say like, I'm not
Speaker 1: comfortable with this, Well, how do you know how it's
Speaker 1: going to be perceived in school?
Speaker 4: Like they don't. They might be they might be playing chess.
Speaker 1: What are your friends gonna be saying when you're walking
Speaker 1: down the street with your father talking about having a boyfriend,
Speaker 1: and then the father saying to the mother she's going
Speaker 1: to have sex.
Speaker 4: I really hate it.
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't never have even said this years ago.
Speaker 1: I just have a tween, and I think it's a
Speaker 1: violation also from the network, from the Bravo and the
Speaker 1: producers like, let's not exploit a thirteen year old's relationship
Speaker 1: in sex life, and if this happens, we're not gonna
Speaker 1: air this, like it's disgusting.
Speaker 3: How old do we know how old she is?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: Maybe she's fifteen or sixteen. I don't know, Hona, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know how well she hasn't seen. She looks
Speaker 1: to be fourteen. I mean she's a teen or a tween.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how old she is, but it's
Speaker 1: not great.
Speaker 4: Oh she's she's twenty three. How old was she then?
Speaker 3: She was like thirteen?
Speaker 1: It's terrible. Yeah, oh my god, she's my daughter's age.
Speaker 4: Horrible.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I'm not. I think I love Cynthia.
Speaker 1: I think she's lovely. I think her husband seems lovely.
Speaker 1: I think it's a terrible decision by everybody, and most importantly,
Speaker 1: the network should not be exploiting thirteen year olds and
Speaker 1: referencing sex.
Speaker 4: It's disgusting. So I have a very different perspective.
Speaker 1: Now, okay, the cat Cardio cabaret is adorable. That's like
Speaker 1: a producer scene that they want to have everybody do
Speaker 1: something together, and Luanne should have been there. Because Luanne
Speaker 1: from New York. Her life is a cabaret. She's a
Speaker 1: cabaret singer, and oh, I love that.
Speaker 4: I love watching them dance.
Speaker 1: I think Kenya was a great dancer, and I would
Speaker 1: have liked to see them dancing more like I saw Nina.
Speaker 1: You could tell she had good moves. Candy was really
Speaker 1: into it, and it's like sexy and sexualized, and I
Speaker 1: love watching it.
Speaker 4: I didn do.
Speaker 3: I grew up dancing my whole life and anything that
Speaker 3: has a dance scene, I'm into it. I'm obsessed with it.
Speaker 3: And they were like working their hips and getting all sexy,
Speaker 3: and it felt like it felt like something that you
Speaker 3: could tell it was like the producers maybe wanted them
Speaker 3: to do it and they're like okay, and then they
Speaker 3: got into it and it was a lot of fun,
Speaker 3: and I think they enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Well and that they were competitive about it because you
Speaker 1: could tell Keny wanted to be the star and she's
Speaker 1: talking about her booty workout that she's going to give
Speaker 1: to Phedro because Kenya had a DVD that she she
Speaker 1: launched and it was competing with I think Phaedra's, so
Speaker 1: she's like competing here. But they wanted to, like, it
Speaker 1: looks like Kenya is the best answer. I don't know
Speaker 1: Nina's got the shit.
Speaker 3: That was about. I was confused why she was, like,
Speaker 3: she just had a baby and I sent her this
Speaker 3: workout and the Okay, I didn't know she had her
Speaker 3: own thing.
Speaker 4: Okay, that makes more sense now exactly. So it's funny
Speaker 4: because I think it was I think it was.
Speaker 1: I think it was like sloppy is not the word,
Speaker 1: but like not well done for the producers to not
Speaker 1: let the audience have a final answer on what Porsha's
Speaker 1: condition was, because it's vasovas. It's vasovagel when you get
Speaker 1: up quick, when you get up and your blood pressure
Speaker 1: drops and you faint, because it happens to me. My
Speaker 1: blood pressure crashes, and some people wear compression socks and
Speaker 1: people have to leave their legs up. But it's called vasovagel.
Speaker 1: And then this is long before people were talking about pots,
Speaker 1: which is autoimmune. And Porscha was dehydrated too, and these
Speaker 1: are all symptoms that I have. Literally I didn't realize
Speaker 1: this then, but her fainting, her having vasovagel, her being dehydrated,
Speaker 1: it's literally it sounds like pots POTS, which is an
Speaker 1: autoimmune syndrome, and I'd be interested to know because that's
Speaker 1: something that the audience could have related to, and it's
Speaker 1: actually very popular and many women have spoken to me
Speaker 1: about it, so I'd like to get a final. But
Speaker 1: I know that that's what it was because she described it,
Speaker 1: and she probably didn't even know the word pots because
Speaker 1: I learned her last year. But vasovagel is a common term,
Speaker 1: and that's what that was. So I think they just
Speaker 1: I was worried about her.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 3: I was like, I got to look into the so
Speaker 3: many people now I need to do my research on
Speaker 3: and check in on how they're doing now. Like I
Speaker 3: was worried about her. And the show ended and I
Speaker 3: was like, what happened?
Speaker 4: Is she okay? Exactly exactly? Oh my god.
Speaker 1: The girls are like shook that it later came up
Speaker 1: that she does have vaso vague. Actually I'm a doctor.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm a part time doctor.
Speaker 4: I literally.
Speaker 1: They're shook shook because I I'm a doctor, Okay, Bethany,
Speaker 1: I part time doctor. How funny I and I did
Speaker 1: say it was such authority. I said it was such authority,
Speaker 1: like I knew what Yes, Wow, okay, well I'm a
Speaker 1: part time doctor. So they all go on a bus
Speaker 1: trip referring back to another bus trip where they couldn't
Speaker 1: get there.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then you get to really you, Caitlin, get to
Speaker 1: really meet Kenya and see how she's with her aunt
Speaker 1: who raised her as a daughter, and with her dog,
Speaker 1: who she's kind of turning into her child, which a
Speaker 1: lot of people do. Yeah, you know, it's displaced, it
Speaker 1: feels like. And the question comes up, which I've asked people,
Speaker 1: the child or marriage if you had to only have one.
Speaker 1: And I remember once being in a glamor room with
Speaker 1: a bunch of people and they all said the partner first,
Speaker 1: which shocked me because I would have always said the child,
Speaker 1: and she kind of meant.
Speaker 3: One percent child. Well, I consider my dogs my children
Speaker 3: at this point. But I froze my eggs when I
Speaker 3: was thirty two, and I always think about how I'm
Speaker 3: just I'm not a very traditional person and I've never
Speaker 3: really dreamt of like a wedding, and I've never really
Speaker 3: had that vision of oh, I'll get married and you know,
Speaker 3: you go to school, you go to college, you get
Speaker 3: a good job, you get married, you have kids. I've
Speaker 3: always been like, I'm just going to go where the
Speaker 3: wind blows me, and I'm going to do what makes
Speaker 3: me happy. And I've always thought of having a kid
Speaker 3: before marriage.
Speaker 1: Well wait a second, you were on the Bachelor, Yes,
Speaker 1: so what does that mean If you were on the Bachelor,
Speaker 1: weren't you there to find to find a partner?
Speaker 3: And I did, and we were together for three and
Speaker 3: a half years. We were engaged for three and a
Speaker 3: half years, and he came with me to freeze my
Speaker 3: eggs actually, and then we broke up.
Speaker 1: And now I'm with a new partner, with a new partner.
Speaker 1: But marriage isn't necessarily a prior to you, just like
Speaker 1: having a partner.
Speaker 3: We've been engaged for two years, and both of us
Speaker 3: like we're so focused on our careers. We're so focused
Speaker 3: on ourselves. I've never really dreamt of having a wedding,
Speaker 3: and it's just like we've just never worked on it.
Speaker 4: We've always talked about having kids.
Speaker 1: You have a life partner, which sounds dorky and weird,
Speaker 1: but I have the same thing and I'm the same
Speaker 1: in the exact same boat. And we've been engaged probably
Speaker 1: two years, and I just like it's like we've chosen
Speaker 1: each other, and you know, one of us was more
Speaker 1: into that than the other, but was into more of
Speaker 1: the like formality and the tradition, but we both ended
Speaker 1: up evolving to be in the same place where you know,
Speaker 1: people can choose to be together and people can choose
Speaker 1: to be in a committed relationship and you don't have
Speaker 1: to have a legal document to you know, to seal that.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: So so that was just interesting that the mother figure
Speaker 1: has kind of suggested that she put that she get
Speaker 1: the child first, and knowing Kenya, knowing that she she
Speaker 1: does have a lot of trauma to heal from her childhood,
Speaker 1: I understand. I think that the child first is the
Speaker 1: right move for her. That's what I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it feels like she's had such a
Speaker 3: you know, the silent battle of you know, being abandoned
Speaker 3: by your mom. And then also she said she was
Speaker 3: having like infertility struggles or something along those lines, right,
Speaker 3: And both of those feel like really silent battles, and
Speaker 3: it's I'm glad she has somebody like a mother figure
Speaker 3: to her to talk through.
Speaker 1: Self worth battles and my damaged goods battles and in
Speaker 1: your own head but yeah, it sounds terrible. I mean
Speaker 1: there's a lot of reason why Ken you can lash
Speaker 1: out and can be really tough and scathing, because she's
Speaker 1: definitely one of those people that's like a wounded bird
Speaker 1: that's caged.
Speaker 4: That like, yeah, a wounded animal that comes at you
Speaker 4: and we all, I mean I can relate to that.
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Speaker 1: Now We're at the Now We're at the wedding salon,
Speaker 1: the bridal salon, which is probably one of the best
Speaker 1: scenes I've ever seen on reality television. I really didn't
Speaker 1: realize it because the juxtaposition of the white and the
Speaker 1: dresses and what this experience is always marketed to be.
Speaker 4: And it's great.
Speaker 1: I love my producers for choosing episodes that fit with
Speaker 1: the guests, like you're here and I don't think they
Speaker 1: knew half of this about your childhood trauma and all
Speaker 1: these things we're talking about. So we got that as
Speaker 1: a bonus, and all the commentary on reality TV we
Speaker 1: got as a bonus, and the sexuality, et cetera. But
Speaker 1: like the wedding dress scene, going to trying a dress
Speaker 1: is supposed to be angelic and so perfect and so
Speaker 1: like sort of almost phony, and like drink it as
Speaker 1: a champagne and it's gonna be perfect. Even if the
Speaker 1: wedding is gonna be perfect and the people end up divorce,
Speaker 1: that scene in your life or on television is always
Speaker 1: just perfect. So did you guys have those scenes where
Speaker 1: someone will go trying the wedding dresses on the Bachelor Bachelor, right,
Speaker 1: you must have.
Speaker 3: It's so funny because this is all just I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't really believe in coincidences, but just the fact
Speaker 3: that two days ago I was watching I went to
Speaker 3: try on wedding dresses with Jimmy Kimmel and Germo for
Speaker 3: like a funny bit on their show, and it was
Speaker 3: so funny because the girl at the bridle shop, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like all these white dresses, and you know it's
Speaker 3: supposed to be like the virgin getting sent away by
Speaker 3: her father to another like the slot on television, right, right,
Speaker 3: So they're like, oh, do you want something like maybe
Speaker 3: different and pink, and Jimmy was like, oh, that's not fair,
Speaker 3: is that because you watched her season and you don't
Speaker 3: think she deserves to wear white? So that's whole It's
Speaker 3: just so funny. So I just watched that two days
Speaker 3: ago to show my friend just this funny bit that
Speaker 3: we did about trying on wedding dresses. So then watching
Speaker 3: this scene, I found it comical to be like, oh
Speaker 3: my gosh, this whole scene and what you said, it's
Speaker 3: supposed to be just this magical moment and the tear
Speaker 3: falls when you get the right one, and here the
Speaker 3: mother is trying to throw a shoe, and it was
Speaker 3: just incredible.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: So it's so funny because this show is so weird
Speaker 1: in that even more than my other show Just b
Speaker 1: which is about like talking about people in their lives
Speaker 1: and real issues. This show about something so ridiculous, meaning
Speaker 1: this show rewives about tragic, ridiculous, absurd episodeisodes always ends
Speaker 1: up bringing up so many real issues for me and
Speaker 1: the guests, like you and I are talking about like
Speaker 1: childhood trauma and abandonment and sexuality. It's so I love
Speaker 1: the show for that that, like there are always always
Speaker 1: these gems and it's always full circle, and like this
Speaker 1: is so weird that you're saying that because I'm feeling
Speaker 1: the same thing. I'm like thinking about my childhood and
Speaker 1: me my mother and whatever. That's so it's fascinating. So yeah,
Speaker 1: this is that angelic perfect scene. So let's get so
Speaker 1: Carmen is there and she's supporting her friend and boss
Speaker 1: and it makes total sense that she's there. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the mom comes in so hot and is so disrespectful
Speaker 1: from the jump, like the side eye the well if
Speaker 1: she marries someone else, and she's just letting us know
Speaker 1: that like this wedding isn't gonna happen, and that.
Speaker 4: This is all just a freaking hand job.
Speaker 1: This is a charade, This is just a motion that
Speaker 1: we're going through with these dresses, which probably the producers
Speaker 1: is suggested to do. They wanted Tinsley to try and
Speaker 1: wedding dresses when she wasn't even engaged, so that's what
Speaker 1: they know what they're doing. That's a low hanging fruit
Speaker 1: scene that's gonna rate for the viewer. Let's go try
Speaker 1: a wedding dresses. So now we're all in here and
Speaker 1: the mom is just you know, rolling her eyes and
Speaker 1: also saying they're not getting married. And she's got two sidekicks.
Speaker 1: She's got the two backup dancers that are on the
Speaker 1: same exact page. And this is Kandy's family.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: That's what made me said, is I'm like, no, you're
Speaker 3: the family. I actually had a question you because like
Speaker 3: in Bachelor World, they will say, you know, like you
Speaker 3: shouldn't be happy about this situation. The producers, I'm saying,
Speaker 3: they'll be like, you shouldn't be happy about the situation,
Speaker 3: like you should go in hot and feel this way
Speaker 3: because this is what this person did to you. I
Speaker 3: wonder do producers like fire up the mom to go
Speaker 3: in there and and like amper up for that.
Speaker 1: Probably not in as orchestrated as a way or produced
Speaker 1: way as the Hills and The Bachelor Bachelorette. But what
Speaker 1: would happened was you're got you're getting out of the
Speaker 1: car to go into a scene, and then you're being micd.
Speaker 1: So while you're being miked, the producer will come over
Speaker 1: while the sound person is micing you, or get into
Speaker 1: the car. Okay, remember to hit the beats about how
Speaker 1: you feel about Todd, how you feel about to the mom,
Speaker 1: to the mom, how you feel about Carmen, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And the producers might have said to Candy, are you
Speaker 1: gonna stick up to your mom today?
Speaker 4: Are you gonna whatever? And clearly Candy didn't.
Speaker 1: But there's some beat that's discussed that's going to go
Speaker 1: down and like seeds are and then there's something planted
Speaker 1: about with happening in this moment and then also the
Speaker 1: future moment. Like at the cabaret, there were beats that
Speaker 1: the producer said to the women that were like, okay,
Speaker 1: remember to invite everybody.
Speaker 4: Now, remember to invite everybody to the trip.
Speaker 1: Because they always want to set up the next scene,
Speaker 1: so you're always paying it forward. So in each scene
Speaker 1: you're trying to set up the next scene. It's happening
Speaker 1: while addressing what's happening in this scene and addressing something
Speaker 1: that happened before, like, and not every talent hits all
Speaker 1: the beats, and some talents like myself, are like, should stop,
Speaker 1: I know what to do and leave me alone, and
Speaker 1: I want to do real but often it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: remember to talk to the mom or the anthem I
Speaker 1: would happen last time, like you know, past, present, and future.
Speaker 4: So that's kind of how it goes down.
Speaker 1: But it's beats. The ant is amazing. I just love
Speaker 1: the ant I don't know why. It's just like and
Speaker 1: she gets up and she and the friend is also amazing,
Speaker 1: Like Carmen is amazing, and she's standing her ground and
Speaker 1: where is the line? She kept her cool, but she
Speaker 1: still was fighting with her friends and herr boss is mother.
Speaker 3: So like, yes, where is that line?
Speaker 4: Like I think.
Speaker 1: I think the friend should just respectfully leave. It's a
Speaker 1: mother and a daughter and she's the it's her boss,
Speaker 1: and she was kind of almost about to throw down
Speaker 1: with the mom too, and I agree with everything she
Speaker 1: was saying, but I feel like that's the moment when
Speaker 1: it's like and she did, I'm going to respectfully leave.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like obviously we needed that scene, but
Speaker 3: I would have just pulled Candy aside right away and
Speaker 3: been like, your mom is mommy, your mom's doing the
Speaker 3: mom thing, and I don't know how to deal with this.
Speaker 3: But of course we needed that scene for TV. So
Speaker 3: I don't know where that line is of how to
Speaker 3: deal with it, because you want to stand up for yourself,
Speaker 3: but you know that your friend can't even stand up
Speaker 3: to her own mom. So should you or should you
Speaker 3: back down and go I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, in real life, you wouldn't do that, because you
Speaker 1: wouldn't go up to the bride and like pull focus
Speaker 1: even if someone was crazy. In reality life, you know yes,
Speaker 1: and you know it's like if you say in reality, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I really hope there's no drama on
Speaker 1: this trip. Producers just want drama on this trip. So
Speaker 1: like Carmen leaving takes away from the drama. If she
Speaker 1: storms out, it adds to the drama and you have
Speaker 1: to do real But like her being in the nex
Speaker 1: room is probably the producer saying stay in here and
Speaker 1: we'll have Candy come talk to you. And obviously the
Speaker 1: fight was what made it iconic, so I'm glad that
Speaker 1: it happened. First of all, before before we get into
Speaker 1: the show, I think the mom said the words I
Speaker 1: will fuck you up. I'm pretty sure that she said
Speaker 1: I will find Okay, you heard that too, I.
Speaker 3: Mean I don't because you say that that's hilarious.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love like a mom saying at her
Speaker 1: daughter's bridle fitting, I will fuck you up, like that's
Speaker 1: insane and amazing, and I don't want it for.
Speaker 3: My own shoe in her hand, the shoe in her hand.
Speaker 4: I have a question.
Speaker 3: I went to a taping of Watch What Happens Live
Speaker 3: because I love Brian Cranston and he was on there
Speaker 3: and I'd asked a question at the beginning, and I said,
Speaker 3: do you think they'd ever do a real housewise of Nashville?
Speaker 3: And he was like, I think we're good on all
Speaker 3: the housewise, but I feel like it would be so
Speaker 3: good to do a show in Nashville.
Speaker 1: It might, but it's all about the cast and who
Speaker 1: they can find, and that they might not be starting
Speaker 1: new cities. They might be like nurturing their own cities,
Speaker 1: and the franchise is having some issues. Certain flagship stores
Speaker 1: do really well, like Beverly Hills, other cities don't do
Speaker 1: as well, but it's their biggest money making, multi billion
Speaker 1: dollar property that the network owns. And also cable networks
Speaker 1: are streamers for old people at this point. Oh so
Speaker 1: it's a challenging time and space to start nuance in
Speaker 1: my opinion, But of course I don't know. So Canny
Speaker 1: is a is passive and she's a stifler. She stuffs
Speaker 1: it down, and I think she enables her mother. She
Speaker 1: does not set boundaries, like it's okay to like not
Speaker 1: go rip your mother a new hon or, be disrespectful,
Speaker 1: she said to Todd earlier. I would never speak to
Speaker 1: my mother that way. But she does not set any boundaries.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to know from the producers if to
Speaker 1: this day it still goes on. And I also want
Speaker 1: to know if she's still in a good relationship with Todd,
Speaker 1: because on another show the other day, OH, with Jill Zarin,
Speaker 1: I talked about who the longest lasting relationship surviving and thriving.
Speaker 4: It might have Kylo.
Speaker 1: Morisio just allegedly sort of split. It seems like Candy
Speaker 1: and Todd have done a good job of staying together
Speaker 1: on a show as like main characters.
Speaker 4: So I don't oh, so you don't know if they
Speaker 4: are still together or not. Candy and Todd. I believe
Speaker 4: that they definitely are.
Speaker 1: So so Candy's good at, you know, holding onto a
Speaker 1: relationship she's had for a.
Speaker 4: Long time, and that's positive because she's still with Todd.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: I just want you to know that the mom Mama
Speaker 1: Joyce said she could it was interesting because she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna end up together. But and and Carmen
Speaker 1: is definitely sleeping to Todd, but she could have his
Speaker 1: little lass like so disrespectful.
Speaker 4: To your daughter's partner. Like, I think it's good. Tical
Speaker 4: the best scene ever.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's comical, it's really funny. I laughed out
Speaker 3: loud a couple times, and I just couldn't believe it
Speaker 3: was real because if that was my mom, I just
Speaker 3: can't even imagine my mom doing anything like that. But
Speaker 3: that's now I think about it. Like you said, Candy
Speaker 3: holds onto relationships. She's probably too scared to set any
Speaker 3: boundaries with her mom because she's too worried about losing
Speaker 3: that relationship or her mom just I don't know, being
Speaker 3: done with her. But somebody said, there's a quote and
Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna butcher it. But it's about the only
Speaker 3: people that boundaries affect are the ones who benefited from
Speaker 3: them in the first place. So the mom is benefiting
Speaker 3: from her not having boundaries because she gets to like
Speaker 3: just you know, yeah, do her thing. But Candy's too
Speaker 3: afraid to set those boundaries because she's scared of her mom.
Speaker 1: Does that mean there's an imbalance in a relationship because
Speaker 1: Candy's always suffering and the mom is always indulging her
Speaker 1: own impulses, and it's totally out of balance. It's not
Speaker 1: like once in a while where someone could snap or
Speaker 1: you know my message is and know it.
Speaker 4: He was great.
Speaker 1: I could be a little scathing, you know, I never
Speaker 1: go below the belt, but like then I course correct
Speaker 1: and check myself because there's a balance. And in any
Speaker 1: relationship the best that I'm in, whether it's my daughter
Speaker 1: or you know, someone I work with or my fiance, like,
Speaker 1: I'm self aware and the person is going to establish
Speaker 1: the boundaries and I also set them too. It's just
Speaker 1: really very imbalanced, and I think it still is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, So that was amazing. I think it's a
Speaker 1: great show. I think you were you know, because when
Speaker 1: I started doing rewives. I thought about Paul. My fiance
Speaker 1: was like, you should really need to have people who
Speaker 1: really know about housewives, and I'm like, I like both.
Speaker 1: I don't like when someone comes on here and is like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know and I don't know. Like you invested
Speaker 1: in it, you leaned into it and we ended up
Speaker 1: having a lot of amazing conversations about life. I don't
Speaker 1: think both of us have to be experts on it
Speaker 1: because then you get a fresh set of eyes and
Speaker 1: fresh perspective.
Speaker 4: So I like that.
Speaker 1: But you were the perfect guest for that. So I
Speaker 1: thank you for really leaning in and doing this.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: And we also got to talk about your life and
Speaker 1: your experience on TV, so I think it was really interesting.
Speaker 4: So awesome. All right, thank you. So is there anything
Speaker 4: you wanted to promote that you're doing?
Speaker 3: By the way, I kind of tried to slip in
Speaker 3: there my podcast, But what's it called. It's called Off
Speaker 3: the Vine.
Speaker 1: Off the Vine? Oh, I think logo is so cute
Speaker 1: and so is the background.
Speaker 4: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 3: I've had it for six years and you're the only
Speaker 3: other podcast that I don't listen to. Other podcasts you're
Speaker 3: the only other one that I'll listen to, and it's
Speaker 3: helped me with I started my own wine label, and
Speaker 3: so yes, it's so helpful. Off the vine, no, so
Speaker 3: we called it Spade and Sparrows's. That's a whole other story.
Speaker 3: But my podcast was always a wine centric podcast and
Speaker 3: always on The Bachelor, everyone knew me for having a
Speaker 3: glass of wine all the time. And so I started
Speaker 3: my own wine label with Don Sebastianian Sons out of
Speaker 3: NAPA and we're in Target and Costco now and we're
Speaker 3: just growing. But do I was wondering if you drink wine?
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 1: I just launched it Forever Young Wine. What kind of
Speaker 1: is it rose or is it white?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I have white rose, pino noir and a cab So sure.
Speaker 4: Send it, I'll try it and i'll your review.
Speaker 3: I would love that. Thank you, honestly, thank you so
Speaker 3: much for having me, and I would love an honest
Speaker 3: review for you of the and I'm count wait to
Speaker 3: try yours.
Speaker 4: Fantastic, Thank you, Okay, goodness so much. Bye.
Speaker 1: Well that was unexpected and amazing and she was so
Speaker 1: insightful and interesting and smart and like that was really great.
Speaker 1: I mean, I loved her gorgeous inside and out. Well,
Speaker 1: I like her a lot. That was great, really great,
Speaker 1: And sometimes you hear like, oh, it's a bachelorette act
Speaker 1: and I thought, like, you know, is she going to
Speaker 1: be fascinating and interesting and smart and guess what she
Speaker 1: really was?
Speaker 4: That was wonderful, So I'm really happy today. That was great.