1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: This episode is one for the books. Nini digs up 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: dirt on both Phaedra and Candy portious stress censor to 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: the hospital. I become a doctor in analyzing this episode, 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: and Mama Joyce isn't holding back on how she feels 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: about Candy marrying Todd. TV personality Caitlin Bristow joins me 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: to break down the episode. This is Real Housewives of Atlanta, 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: Season six, Episode six, The Old Lady and the Shoe. 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Are you a Housewives fan overall? 9 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: You? 10 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: Are you seasoned in all of the cities? Do you 11 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: like one city in particular? And do you watch Atlanta? 12 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 3: I am nervous to even say this, but this was 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 3: the first Real Housewives episode I think I've ever watched 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 3: in my whole life. I'm a fan of certain people 15 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 3: from this show. For you, for example, Very I look 16 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 3: up to you as a business woman so much and 17 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 3: listen to your podcast all the time and get so 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 3: many ideas, So thank you for that. But so I'm 19 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 3: fans of certain people. But this is the first time 20 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 3: I've actually sat down and watched an episode. 21 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 4: Oh my god, amazing. 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, So it was it was fun for me to watch. 23 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: Okay, So that's because some people do come in with 24 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: that perspective. So to give you So Atlanta's on now, 25 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: I think I don't know what season they're in. You know, 26 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: currently it's a very different show. It doesn't do as 27 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: well as it used to, like currently the ratings. You know, 28 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: these cities have different it ebbs and flows, and for 29 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: a while Atlanta was the star during like I think 30 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: it was the Porsche and Naney days, Atlanta was the star. 31 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: And like New York, when certain people have left the 32 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: and it gets refreshed and rebooted, it gets ruined. So 33 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: I haven't seen the current but I hear I hear nothing, 34 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 1: which is now a good sign. I absolutely hear nothing 35 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: about it, and that means that you know, it's not 36 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: doing that great right now. Not that it's I'm sure 37 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: it's a fine show. People are invested, but it's just 38 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: not where it was. 39 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 4: So this to me. 40 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: Was I mean earlier than this, but this was kind 41 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: of in its heyday, Like this was in because I 42 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: had seen this episode and I haven't seen I have 43 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: not seen most of Atlanta, but back in the day 44 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: I really liked it and really tuned in, and this 45 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: was part of that era, So it was good for 46 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: me to throw back back and go back into it 47 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: and be reminded when Atlanta it was really good and 48 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure it'll be good again. 49 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 4: You know every show takes you know has Yeah. 50 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 3: I feel that way a lot of a lot like 51 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 3: The Bachelor Bachelorette. Oh yeah, Like the ratings go up 52 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: and down and it's it's like it ebbs and flows, 53 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: same thing as what you're saying. So it was It's 54 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 3: interesting for me to watch too, because I'm I got 55 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: invested or I was like, well, what are they doing now, 56 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: like after that girl fainted this year? Okay now? Or 57 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 3: is it like what came of all these things? So 58 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 3: I probably have questions for you. 59 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: It felt like you were watching a soap opera that 60 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: you had no idea who these people were, and all 61 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: of a sudden you just cared about what the hell 62 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: was going on. Yeah, this was a pretty so I've 63 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: seen a lot of Jersey episodes where men are like 64 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: fistfighting and crazy stuff, and people are in Atlanta where 65 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: people are ripping each other's hara. This to me was 66 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: an iconic Atlanta episode. Shout out to my producers for 67 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: choosing it it was iconic because of that bridal scene, 68 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: and we'll get into it, but it was an iconic 69 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: Atlanta episode. 70 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 4: This is back. 71 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: I just thought the show was so entertaining then, because 72 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: I keep going back to this thought as we have 73 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: a current new cast in New York and a newly, 74 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: very very glossy produced show. This was back when it 75 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: was messy and I like things messier. And you brought 76 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: up The Bachelor and the Bachelorette and people have said that, 77 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: you know, Chris, of course that's who they've cast in 78 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: the show, but Chris Harrison leaving affected the ratings. This 79 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: is one The show is really messy and not perfect, 80 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: and what do you think about that? 81 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 4: In a bachelor here? 82 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: I love that too, I think you know, I think 83 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: people well, first of all, there used to be alcohol 84 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: flowing all the time, and it was just kind of like, 85 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 3: I don't know, comical to watch from a fan perspective, 86 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 3: because there was no limit and there it was messy 87 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 3: and people could do whatever and get away with so 88 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 3: many things, where now everybody's worried about certain things. And 89 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 3: now we've gone back to kind of the same format 90 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: where it's the same bully every season. The same victim, 91 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: the same thiss and I do miss the messy days 92 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 3: because now there's a two drink limit and it's just 93 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: not what it used to be. And I and I 94 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 3: agree about the Chris Harrison thing. It just kind of 95 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 3: changed after that. 96 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 4: Interesting, So we're saying the same thing. 97 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: You're saying, it's more heavily produced now even without the alcohol, 98 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: that there's a format and you can predict it and 99 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: you could study it as a bachelor. You could study 100 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: it as a bachelor or a bachelorette walking into it 101 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: and try to produce yourself, and it just doesn't It's 102 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: a the same thing for the final product is not 103 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: the same. The audience doesn't trust it. We're also in 104 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: the world now where there's citizens journalism. 105 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 4: TikTok. Real is very real, unedited, no lying is very in. 106 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: A girl pretty much got canceled for having fake eyelashes 107 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: on in a mascare ad on TikTok. 108 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,239 Speaker 4: So I saw that. 109 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I feel like we're in the era at 110 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: the same time that we're in the era of people 111 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: wanting real reality. Ironically, reality shows are overproduced, over sanitized, 112 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: over waxed and shiny now and the viewer can tell 113 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: the difference the viewers. 114 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 3: Getting really smart, and I do think you're right. There's 115 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 3: so many people myself included, where I go on my 116 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 3: podcast and I talk about, well, what really happens behind 117 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 3: the scenes and how you know, so many people now 118 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 3: are going on to be TikTok influencers, to be Instagram 119 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 3: models and influencers, and we as viewers see right through it. 120 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 3: And I think it's because, uh, you know, people like 121 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 3: to expose the shows like that too, because it's nice 122 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: to know what is real, what is edited, what is fake, 123 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 3: what is you know, manipulated. 124 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: Also, so back then, it used to be normal, messy 125 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,119 Speaker 1: human beings cast on the Housewives, totally imperfect. Their homes 126 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: weren't perfect, nothing was perfect, no one. There was no 127 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: social media. So now I bet you on the Bachelor 128 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: and Bachelorette series, people are being cast because they have 129 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: a social media following, and so it's a circular reference 130 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: where they're they're going on the show to get more famous, 131 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: and they don't really have good intentions. I found that 132 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: on my show that most of the people that came 133 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: on to the show the big shot wanted. 134 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 4: To be famous. They didn't really want the job, Yes exactly. 135 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 3: I feel that, and a lot of reality TV shows 136 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 3: now I find that, and it's it's losing the charm 137 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: of it as well, because I find that watching people 138 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 3: who really weren't on for anything but like you know, 139 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 3: for example, Obviously, that's what I'm going to continue to 140 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 3: relate back to because I experienced it, but it was 141 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 3: not an opportunity to have a brand or a business, 142 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 3: and it was it was more charming back then because 143 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 3: people were really there for love and they didn't really. 144 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 4: Know what to expect exactly. 145 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 3: And so now you kind of see through people and 146 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 3: nobody's being as authentic as they used to be, and 147 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: it's just all not as enjoyable to watch. 148 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: So the medium has changed so real the headline is 149 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: that reality television ironically has morphed into something scripted, formatted, 150 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: produced and perfect and normal people who are literally reality 151 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: are becoming famous and that's being celebrated. 152 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 4: Interesting. 153 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: You look like a cross between Jenna Dewant and Megan 154 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: Fox to me, which is certainly. 155 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,559 Speaker 4: Nothing that anyone would be upset about. 156 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: I'm like sure, and she's wearing a sweatshirt in the 157 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: morning with a ponytail, so and don't worry. 158 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 4: I haven't. I haven't washed my hair in two days, 159 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 4: all right, So, oh the beauty, this is greasy. 160 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: The thank you, as are you? And this is greasy. 161 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: I just came from the gym, so this is dry 162 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: sweat as well, So thank you so much. That's very 163 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: nice of you. 164 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: Beautiful okay, but very sweet also. So all right, so 165 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: we're getting into this. This is the Real Housewives of Atlanta. 166 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 4: Okay. 167 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: So Candy's assistant is her best friend. Like that's a 168 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: headline to me, Like, let's just start with that. You 169 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: imagine your assistant being your best friend. 170 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 4: I cannot. I could not. I could not either. 171 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 3: Although my assistant is like one of the most loveliest 172 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 3: human beings on the planet that I could see her 173 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 3: becoming almost family, but a best friend. I could never 174 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 3: tell my best friend to do stuff for me. 175 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. 176 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: You have a best friend your whole life, since it 177 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: sounded like they were twelve years old at least, and 178 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: then later and there's. 179 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 4: But it goes both ways. 180 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: Because you want to help your best friend. Maybe she 181 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: needed a job, maybe she could use the money. Maybe 182 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: you overpay her. It's amazing, but there's definitely a fine, 183 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: fine line, and this show really really crosses it because 184 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: now we still come out of the gate with Carmen 185 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: her best friend, saying that Candy's mom thinks that she's 186 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: having an affair with Todd, Like, okay, and they're about 187 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: to get married. 188 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 3: I know, mom is her name, Mama Joyce. That's who 189 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 3: it is, right, Yes, the mom. 190 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: Okay, she. 191 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 3: From what it sounds like on this episode. And they 192 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 3: even say I think she likes to make anything dramatic, 193 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: so she's just I feel like she just made it 194 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 3: up to cause some drama. 195 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 4: She's like, no, let's say that you're hooking up with 196 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 4: that person. Let's cause some drama. 197 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: Well I've never said this out loud, but I have 198 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: thought that she wants to be famous. But like you 199 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: could see when people around you really like it, and 200 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: that's okay. But it seems like she's gotten attention for 201 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: it on the show and really likes it. But I 202 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: think it is who she really is, because Carmen sort 203 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: of indicates and implies and sort of says that this 204 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: has been a dynamic that's been going on a long time. 205 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: Right, I mean, she's not in the center of the 206 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 3: photo wall and she wants to be this and that's right, 207 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 3: it could be really who she is. But also she's 208 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 3: really really leaning into that. 209 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: She's not cheating it up. I think that, yes, reality TV. 210 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: It's exactly what that is reality TV. Anything that would 211 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: normally happen gets maximized and highlighted and blown up thirty 212 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: like thirty times. Like if you would say to someone, oh, 213 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I would have chosen that top. 214 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: On reality TV, you'd be like, that top is whack, 215 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: you know it's. 216 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 3: And then and then the music that they can play 217 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 3: behind it, that adds to the dramatic effect. 218 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: That's funny. Yes, that's really funny. So you wouldn't know this, 219 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: But Todd, Candy's husband is a Real Housewives producer that 220 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: she met on the show. So they broke the fourth wall, 221 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: got together, got you know, and are getting married on 222 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: the show. And now he's a cast member. He went 223 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: from being a crew member to being a cast member. 224 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 4: WHOA, I didn't know that. That's yeah. 225 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 3: I like when shows break the fourth wall. But that's crazy. 226 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: Well, right, because on the Bachelor, people have gotten trucked 227 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: in trouble because producers have had affairs. 228 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 4: We haven't thought about that. 229 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: We've never made that connection that producers have had affairs 230 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: with cast members and then both people have gotten fired 231 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: and taken off the show, and on the Housewives it's 232 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: celebrated and now he gets rewarded and becomes a cast 233 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: member because that's good TV on the Housewives, but not 234 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: on the Bachelor. 235 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 4: Definitely not on the Bachelor. 236 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, So like somehow psychologically it feels like a 237 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: young cast member on The Bachelor's being taken advantage of 238 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: by a member of power or member of the crew, 239 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel like that on Housewives. 240 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 3: Oh that's a good point. I have seen some and 241 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 3: stuff has come out in the past about it. But 242 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: there's definitely been some inappropriate relationships between people in power, 243 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: you know, and and the cast members of Bachelor. And 244 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 3: I'm surprised more hasn't come out, but it definitely happens. 245 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 3: It's a shame. 246 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: Sometimes, like Ramona got really mad when we haven't even 247 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: gotten too the showy because this is a BTS, but 248 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 1: Ramona got Ramona from The New York Housewives got mad 249 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: because a crew member ate our crab cakes, the food 250 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: that I had made for us, and it was when 251 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: we were on this Scary Island iconic episode that went sideways, 252 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: and so one of the crew was like eating their 253 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: feelings and stressed out because it was it went crazy. 254 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: So they were eating our food, but like normally the 255 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: crew isn't using our bathroom eating our food. I'm shooting 256 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: from my YouTube series with a with a Housewives producer 257 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: and at my house, I said, because we were all 258 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: sweating it was super hot. If you want a shower here, 259 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: and I have guest houses and basements and other areas 260 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: and it could be in my bedroom, I don't care. 261 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: And he was like, it's okay, but thank you, like 262 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: he felt it was like a very thank you because 263 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: cast is not telling crew to shower in their house 264 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: and they're not. So crew isn't using your jacuzi or 265 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: your pool. It's like they have their own place to stay. 266 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: So it's interesting. 267 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 4: It is interesting. 268 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of weird gray 269 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: areas and lines don't know like what's appropriate to cross 270 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 3: or where it gets weird. Especially on that show. You're 271 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 3: spending so much time with you know, the crew and 272 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 3: production and you get so close to them that that 273 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 3: line becomes a little bit blurry of what's appropriate and 274 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 3: what's not. 275 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 4: And the boundaries have really been blurred. 276 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: When I went on The Apprentice years ago, crew did 277 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: not even speak to cast unless it was like doing 278 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: an interview bite or something professional. 279 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 4: There's no ever talking to them. 280 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: And so I walked into Housewives thinking that and it 281 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: was completely different. Jill had, you know, producers staying at 282 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: her Jill from New York Housewives had producers staying at 283 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: her house to go cast people. And you're eating meals 284 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: with them and drinking wine with them, and it's the 285 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: lines are blurred. They should maybe go back the way 286 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: it was, so you know they're not So speaking of boundaries, 287 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: where do you stand on setting boundaries with a parent 288 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: and child relatedationships when both people are adults. So I 289 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 1: even I have boundaries with my daughter who's thirteen. But 290 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: I've seen so many people before who don't know how 291 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: to say to their parents, this is where the line is, 292 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: this is where it's not, and this is unacceptable. I'm 293 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: an adult, I make my own money or whatever it is, 294 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: and it's not acceptable for you to behave this way. 295 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: And Candy and Mama Joyce's dynamic could not be more 296 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: of a blurred line, and I think it's wildly inappropriate. 297 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: And Candy really is a little bit of a doormat 298 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: to her mother. She just has creates no boundaries. So 299 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: what do you think about that? 300 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 3: Ugh, I have I've done so much in her child 301 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: work and therapy, and like I did at the beginning 302 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 3: of the year, this whole week retreat of it, so 303 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 3: I feel like so aware of certain boundaries and things 304 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 3: that I've worked on personally. And when I was watching that, 305 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: I just kept thinking, Wow, that they could really benefit 306 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 3: from Hoffmann the retreat that I just went to for 307 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 3: inner child work, because she's just grown up like that. 308 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 3: I mean, that's all she knows, and she's never it 309 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 3: seems like, I obviously this is just from me watching 310 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 3: one episode. It feels like she's never been able to 311 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 3: stand up to her mom, because even Todd was like, 312 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 3: you've got to stand up for yourself. And I just 313 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 3: don't understand personally, because my mom and I have such 314 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 3: an incredible relationship, but there are so many hard boundaries 315 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: and you kind of have to become the parent at 316 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 3: some point as a child when you turn into an adult, 317 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 3: and I know that's hard for parents sometimes, but my 318 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 3: mom does so much work on herself too, that it 319 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: was like a very easy transition for us as long 320 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 3: as we could have healthy communication. But it just seems 321 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 3: like they've never practiced, that, they've never had that, and 322 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 3: like it would be hard to start now. 323 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: She's your mother's meeting you where you're at and vice versa. 324 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: And I don't get into like opining so strongly. And 325 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: Candy's smart and strong and a badass in her own 326 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: life except for this one relationship. 327 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 4: And that's what's really fascinating. 328 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: And I've seen it before, grown you know, successful adults 329 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: with her with their parents. So Nini and Greg, it's 330 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: so interesting to watch, is Nini in my opinion? Well, 331 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: Nini not. In only my opinion, Nini is an iconic 332 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame housewife. She's sitting with her husband, Greg, 333 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: who has now passed. They had gotten yep, they got divorced, 334 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: then they got back together. I think this is before 335 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: they even got divorced. It has been a rollercoaster with them, 336 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: and he's passed away, and they're talking to these other 337 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: two people about Phaedra, who you later see is studying 338 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: to be a mortician, which is real and Nini's sharing 339 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: that Phaedra has the reputation of being the head. 340 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 4: Doctor Dick surgeon. 341 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm sorry to bring this up to you, 342 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: but it sounds like Nini's saying that Paedra has a 343 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: question of reputation. So it felt to me like, and 344 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: that's what Nani's messy, okay. And the thing about reality 345 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: TV is that we want them to be real, but 346 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: we also want them to edit themselves, and it's not 347 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: fair if you were talking to a girlfriend. There are 348 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: some things that your girlfriend would say to you that 349 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 1: they would never dare to say on TV. And what 350 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: I like about Nini is she's willing to just be 351 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: who she is off camera on camera. So while it's 352 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: not appropriate for her to share that with two other people, 353 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: which is where you lose me, you're kind of like, Okay, 354 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: that's what Ninni thinks of Phaedra, and she's just saying 355 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: it on television, So what do you think about this? 356 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 3: I struggle with that too because I'm I am such 357 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 3: an open book and on my season of Bechelort I 358 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: was considered like the most controversial because I talked about 359 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 3: sex because I had sex before the fantasy suite and 360 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 3: it was Wow, it was a whole thing, and I 361 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 3: was so confused by it because I grew up in Canada. 362 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 3: I grew up we talked very openly about like what 363 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: was happening in relationships. Would sit down with my family 364 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 3: and have like feelings meetings and just really open, honest 365 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 3: and you were always accepted for just being who you 366 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 3: were and we would talk through it. Where I went 367 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 3: onto a television show just so naive. I have never 368 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 3: done TV in my life, and I just thought, like, 369 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 3: I didn't understand that I was going to get backlash, 370 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: and then I didn't understand the backlash when it happened. 371 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 3: But I really wanted to stay true to who I was, 372 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 3: and I kind of channeled it into women empowerment and 373 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 3: having a voice and being you know, a person who 374 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 3: can talk about this and I'm you know, it kind 375 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 3: of let me step outside of this box of what 376 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 3: has been made for the bachelorettes. 377 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: And so now we did it Land did it ultimately? 378 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 4: Land? 379 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 5: Yeah? 380 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 3: Yes. It went from me feeling rock bottom and like 381 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 3: getting a lot of hate and slut shaming to turning 382 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 3: into like, no, this is who I am and built 383 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 3: a community around it. And it's been like one of 384 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 3: the most empowering things for me. Where now I just 385 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 3: go like, if somebody were to say that on TV 386 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 3: about me now or talk about that time in my life, 387 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 3: I have like pride in where I came from and 388 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 3: how it happened and who I am. So I'm kind 389 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 3: of okay with it. It just kind of depends on 390 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 3: the person if they are or not me personally, I 391 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: could talk about anything. I don't know their dynamic and 392 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 3: relationship over all the seasons. So I'm like, is this 393 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 3: typical of Nini and is Theedra she is? She hurt 394 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 3: by it? 395 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Faedra is a great TV character. I 396 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: mean it's embarrassing. 397 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 4: I think. 398 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I once my only regret ever on television 399 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: is calling someone like a sort of slut slur based 400 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: on behavior that I had seen that was hypocritical to 401 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: be honest, but that's not what we're talking about. I 402 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: feel like it was just a random shot, So I don't, 403 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: you know, it felt like a random shot just to 404 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: like she doesn't like Phaedra. And a lot of times 405 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: on these shows they want to just character assassinate versus 406 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: calling out the thing that's actually going going on, and 407 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: that's just a lot hanging fruit, no pun intended, so 408 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: no pun intended. So and yeah, and I guess, but 409 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: that's hard to resist. Sometimes if someone has a reputation, 410 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: often it's that someone's hypocritical, and you know, Phaedra acts 411 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: like she's very a Southern bell. So then if she's 412 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: giving you know, blowjobs to everybody she knows and it's 413 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: got and she has a reputation, it's going to be 414 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: tempting on these shows to call it out. It's like, 415 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: for me, it was a woman who tries to act 416 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: like she's a royal and tell other people how to 417 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: act in etiquette, and she has a very you know, 418 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: questionable reputation in many areas, so it's irresistible to bring 419 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: it up because of how much someone tries to act 420 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: like they're better. Then, so it's never in a vacuum. 421 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: If you were on the show acting like you were 422 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: a complete prude and a nun and then people found 423 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: out that you had had sex before the fantasy suite 424 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: and all this stuff, it's the combination, I think, versus 425 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: the thing in and of itself. 426 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 3: That's a really good point. It feels more like and 427 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 3: Nini was just trying to like, like it might even 428 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 3: be her humor. I'm not sure to just take jabs 429 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: or yeah, that's so. I'm kind of like that too, 430 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 3: where that's sometimes where you got to put your foot 431 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 3: in your mouth and go, oh, I just did that 432 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 3: thing that I do and it might hurt somebody's feelings. 433 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: Exactly, but we're on a reality show, so I gotta 434 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: be me and then I'm gonna right now, it's a 435 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: whole circular reference. So if Apollo, Apollo later goes to jail, 436 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: is Faedra's husband and he's texting Kenya, So I don't 437 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: know what the hell that means, and I know that 438 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: Kenya and Phaedra don't like each other, so it doesn't matter. 439 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: I don't even need to know what the hell that means. 440 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: I vaguely remember it, but it's fucked up. It's unacceptable, 441 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: and it's literally black and white. There's nothing I need 442 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: to discuss, right. 443 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. Even just watching that one part, I 444 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: was like, and his apology was just so uh inauthentic. 445 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 3: It was it didn't feel real. He was just kind 446 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 3: of dismissing her feelings and just being like, oh, it's 447 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 3: not a big deal. But really, if it was the 448 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 3: other way around, it probably would have been a big deal. 449 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 4: And I just hate the double standard. 450 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: But I could see a little bit from him. It 451 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: seems like a man. You know, men, I've had this experience. 452 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: Men get a masculated by strong, successful women, and it 453 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: seems like he has no purpose and no real job 454 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: and he's emasculated by her success. And he's saying that 455 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: he kind of wants the old Phedro, which to me 456 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: says before the show. And even though he seems like 457 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: not the greatest guy, it brought up to me how 458 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: relationships really can't weather reality television, like the person is 459 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: going to change, and it's just it's not natural for 460 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: this to. 461 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 3: I had that written down in my notes. I literally 462 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 3: had it written down when I was watching the show, 463 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 3: being like, he is so emasculated, he's not getting the 464 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: attention he used to do. I'm not a man hater, 465 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 3: love men, but they are such babies and that's how 466 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 3: I felt watching this me too. 467 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: He's an insecure he's not the moneyed spouse and he's 468 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: displacing it and he feels inferior. And so the way 469 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: that men do this with women is to then find 470 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: other ways to exert their power because they really don't 471 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: have any, so they find other ways. And you can 472 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: see this here. I've been through this so she I 473 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: mean the fact that I love the fact that she's 474 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: opening a mortuary. I think it's genius on television. Noone's 475 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: ever done it. She should have renamed her character on 476 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: the show Mortsha, you know. So what do you think 477 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: about I am by the way. I literally this is 478 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: such an example of not until you have a tween 479 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: understanding something. I cannot imagine talking about anything to do 480 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: with sex or the sex talk, or my daughter having 481 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: a boyfriend on television. I think it's a violation. I 482 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: think the pan I actually in watching it in a vacuum. 483 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: I think they seem like great parents. Cynthia is a 484 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: great co parent. He seems like a great co parent. 485 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: She seems to choose good men, even though she's divorced 486 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: from both of them. She may not choose good men 487 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: for her, but she has good, really relationships with the 488 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: men that she's been in relationships with now. And that's 489 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: hard to do and I haven't been able to achieve that. 490 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: But I'm struck by how much of a violation and 491 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: breaking a boundary it is to talk about anything about 492 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: Atween's dating or sex life on television. It's just it's wrong. 493 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: It's not good for them. I agree it there's nothing 494 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: good about it. 495 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 3: I agree they don't know, Like they're so fragile at 496 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 3: that time in their life and they have only their 497 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 3: parents to look up to for advice, and so if 498 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 3: they're they don't really have a choice, like, oh, I'm 499 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 3: my parents are talking about this on TV. You haven't 500 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 3: given them a choice. It feels my God, and it 501 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 3: feels like what you said, like two things can exist. 502 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 3: They are great co parents. They look like they have 503 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: like a strong relationship with their daughter where they have 504 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 3: that trust and respect to have these kinds of conversations. 505 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 3: But at the same time, it's in my opinion as well, 506 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 3: wrong to expose that on TV because I don't feel 507 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 3: like you're protecting your child at that point. 508 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: I really don't, And I really did not know this 509 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: at all, then I wouldn't have thought about it's a 510 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: scene in a show. But like, you can't say the 511 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: daughter agreed to it, because she's a child, and my 512 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: daughter will do anything I want to make me happy 513 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: for the most part, you know, and you sometimes can 514 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: see when your kids get a little uncomfortable, but they're 515 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: going along with it and they can't process their feelings 516 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: to use their voice. One of the things I say 517 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: to Brand a lot about she's been in situations in 518 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: the past where she's felt uncomfortable, not with me, but 519 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: about circumstances in my divorce. And the one thing that 520 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: the therapist says is to it doesn't matter if she 521 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: gets the results she wants, so she has to learn 522 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 1: to use her voice, showing me that they would not 523 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: their their mind and their voice can't keep up with 524 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: ketch up with their emotions to say like, I'm not 525 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: comfortable with this, Well, how do you know how it's 526 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 1: going to be perceived in school? 527 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 4: Like they don't. They might be they might be playing chess. 528 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: What are your friends gonna be saying when you're walking 529 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: down the street with your father talking about having a boyfriend, 530 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: and then the father saying to the mother she's going 531 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: to have sex. 532 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 4: I really hate it. 533 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't never have even said this years ago. 534 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 1: I just have a tween, and I think it's a 535 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: violation also from the network, from the Bravo and the 536 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: producers like, let's not exploit a thirteen year old's relationship 537 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: in sex life, and if this happens, we're not gonna 538 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: air this, like it's disgusting. 539 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 3: How old do we know how old she is? 540 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 4: Now? 541 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: Maybe she's fifteen or sixteen. I don't know, Hona, Okay, 542 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how well she hasn't seen. She looks 543 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: to be fourteen. I mean she's a teen or a tween. 544 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how old she is, but it's 545 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: not great. 546 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 4: Oh she's she's twenty three. How old was she then? 547 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 3: She was like thirteen? 548 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: It's terrible. Yeah, oh my god, she's my daughter's age. 549 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 4: Horrible. 550 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I'm not. I think I love Cynthia. 551 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: I think she's lovely. I think her husband seems lovely. 552 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: I think it's a terrible decision by everybody, and most importantly, 553 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: the network should not be exploiting thirteen year olds and 554 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: referencing sex. 555 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 4: It's disgusting. So I have a very different perspective. 556 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: Now, okay, the cat Cardio cabaret is adorable. That's like 557 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: a producer scene that they want to have everybody do 558 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: something together, and Luanne should have been there. Because Luanne 559 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: from New York. Her life is a cabaret. She's a 560 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: cabaret singer, and oh, I love that. 561 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 4: I love watching them dance. 562 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: I think Kenya was a great dancer, and I would 563 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: have liked to see them dancing more like I saw Nina. 564 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: You could tell she had good moves. Candy was really 565 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: into it, and it's like sexy and sexualized, and I 566 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: love watching it. 567 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 4: I didn do. 568 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 3: I grew up dancing my whole life and anything that 569 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 3: has a dance scene, I'm into it. I'm obsessed with it. 570 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 3: And they were like working their hips and getting all sexy, 571 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 3: and it felt like it felt like something that you 572 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 3: could tell it was like the producers maybe wanted them 573 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 3: to do it and they're like okay, and then they 574 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 3: got into it and it was a lot of fun, 575 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 3: and I think they enjoyed it. 576 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: Well and that they were competitive about it because you 577 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: could tell Keny wanted to be the star and she's 578 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: talking about her booty workout that she's going to give 579 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: to Phedro because Kenya had a DVD that she she 580 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: launched and it was competing with I think Phaedra's, so 581 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: she's like competing here. But they wanted to, like, it 582 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: looks like Kenya is the best answer. I don't know 583 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: Nina's got the shit. 584 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 3: That was about. I was confused why she was, like, 585 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 3: she just had a baby and I sent her this 586 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 3: workout and the Okay, I didn't know she had her 587 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 3: own thing. 588 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 4: Okay, that makes more sense now exactly. So it's funny 589 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 4: because I think it was I think it was. 590 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: I think it was like sloppy is not the word, 591 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: but like not well done for the producers to not 592 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: let the audience have a final answer on what Porsha's 593 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: condition was, because it's vasovas. It's vasovagel when you get 594 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,479 Speaker 1: up quick, when you get up and your blood pressure 595 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: drops and you faint, because it happens to me. My 596 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: blood pressure crashes, and some people wear compression socks and 597 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: people have to leave their legs up. But it's called vasovagel. 598 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: And then this is long before people were talking about pots, 599 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: which is autoimmune. And Porscha was dehydrated too, and these 600 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: are all symptoms that I have. Literally I didn't realize 601 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: this then, but her fainting, her having vasovagel, her being dehydrated, 602 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: it's literally it sounds like pots POTS, which is an 603 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: autoimmune syndrome, and I'd be interested to know because that's 604 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,959 Speaker 1: something that the audience could have related to, and it's 605 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: actually very popular and many women have spoken to me 606 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: about it, so I'd like to get a final. But 607 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: I know that that's what it was because she described it, 608 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: and she probably didn't even know the word pots because 609 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: I learned her last year. But vasovagel is a common term, 610 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: and that's what that was. So I think they just 611 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: I was worried about her. 612 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 4: I was. 613 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 3: I was like, I got to look into the so 614 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 3: many people now I need to do my research on 615 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 3: and check in on how they're doing now. Like I 616 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 3: was worried about her. And the show ended and I 617 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 3: was like, what happened? 618 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 4: Is she okay? Exactly exactly? Oh my god. 619 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: The girls are like shook that it later came up 620 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: that she does have vaso vague. Actually I'm a doctor. 621 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: I guess I'm a part time doctor. 622 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 4: I literally. 623 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: They're shook shook because I I'm a doctor, Okay, Bethany, 624 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: I part time doctor. How funny I and I did 625 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: say it was such authority. I said it was such authority, 626 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: like I knew what Yes, Wow, okay, well I'm a 627 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: part time doctor. So they all go on a bus 628 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: trip referring back to another bus trip where they couldn't 629 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: get there. 630 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 3: Uh. 631 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: And then you get to really you, Caitlin, get to 632 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: really meet Kenya and see how she's with her aunt 633 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: who raised her as a daughter, and with her dog, 634 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: who she's kind of turning into her child, which a 635 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,479 Speaker 1: lot of people do. Yeah, you know, it's displaced, it 636 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: feels like. And the question comes up, which I've asked people, 637 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: the child or marriage if you had to only have one. 638 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: And I remember once being in a glamor room with 639 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of people and they all said the partner first, 640 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: which shocked me because I would have always said the child, 641 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: and she kind of meant. 642 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 3: One percent child. Well, I consider my dogs my children 643 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 3: at this point. But I froze my eggs when I 644 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 3: was thirty two, and I always think about how I'm 645 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 3: just I'm not a very traditional person and I've never 646 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 3: really dreamt of like a wedding, and I've never really 647 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 3: had that vision of oh, I'll get married and you know, 648 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 3: you go to school, you go to college, you get 649 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 3: a good job, you get married, you have kids. I've 650 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 3: always been like, I'm just going to go where the 651 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 3: wind blows me, and I'm going to do what makes 652 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 3: me happy. And I've always thought of having a kid 653 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 3: before marriage. 654 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: Well wait a second, you were on the Bachelor, Yes, 655 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: so what does that mean If you were on the Bachelor, 656 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: weren't you there to find to find a partner? 657 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 3: And I did, and we were together for three and 658 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 3: a half years. We were engaged for three and a 659 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 3: half years, and he came with me to freeze my 660 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 3: eggs actually, and then we broke up. 661 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: And now I'm with a new partner, with a new partner. 662 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: But marriage isn't necessarily a prior to you, just like 663 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: having a partner. 664 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 3: We've been engaged for two years, and both of us 665 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 3: like we're so focused on our careers. We're so focused 666 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 3: on ourselves. I've never really dreamt of having a wedding, 667 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 3: and it's just like we've just never worked on it. 668 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 4: We've always talked about having kids. 669 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: You have a life partner, which sounds dorky and weird, 670 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: but I have the same thing and I'm the same 671 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: in the exact same boat. And we've been engaged probably 672 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: two years, and I just like it's like we've chosen 673 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: each other, and you know, one of us was more 674 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: into that than the other, but was into more of 675 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: the like formality and the tradition, but we both ended 676 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: up evolving to be in the same place where you know, 677 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: people can choose to be together and people can choose 678 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: to be in a committed relationship and you don't have 679 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: to have a legal document to you know, to seal that. 680 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 4: Okay. 681 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: So so that was just interesting that the mother figure 682 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: has kind of suggested that she put that she get 683 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: the child first, and knowing Kenya, knowing that she she 684 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: does have a lot of trauma to heal from her childhood, 685 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: I understand. I think that the child first is the 686 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: right move for her. That's what I think. 687 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it feels like she's had such a 688 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 3: you know, the silent battle of you know, being abandoned 689 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 3: by your mom. And then also she said she was 690 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 3: having like infertility struggles or something along those lines, right, 691 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,959 Speaker 3: And both of those feel like really silent battles, and 692 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,959 Speaker 3: it's I'm glad she has somebody like a mother figure 693 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 3: to her to talk through. 694 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: Self worth battles and my damaged goods battles and in 695 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: your own head but yeah, it sounds terrible. I mean 696 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of reason why Ken you can lash 697 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: out and can be really tough and scathing, because she's 698 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: definitely one of those people that's like a wounded bird 699 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: that's caged. 700 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 4: That like, yeah, a wounded animal that comes at you 701 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 4: and we all, I mean I can relate to that. 702 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: Hi. I'm Chris Harrison, host of the Most Dramatic Podcast Ever. 703 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 2: I'm just like you, always looking for something interesting, heartfelt 704 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 2: and entertaining to listen to. 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We are 729 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 6: sharing all of our experiences on Glee. 730 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,439 Speaker 5: So meet us in the choir room at McKinley High 731 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 5: and join us weekly on And that's what you really 732 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 5: missed available wherever you listen to your podcasts. 733 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: Now We're at the Now We're at the wedding salon, 734 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 1: the bridal salon, which is probably one of the best 735 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,280 Speaker 1: scenes I've ever seen on reality television. I really didn't 736 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: realize it because the juxtaposition of the white and the 737 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: dresses and what this experience is always marketed to be. 738 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 4: And it's great. 739 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: I love my producers for choosing episodes that fit with 740 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: the guests, like you're here and I don't think they 741 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: knew half of this about your childhood trauma and all 742 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: these things we're talking about. So we got that as 743 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: a bonus, and all the commentary on reality TV we 744 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: got as a bonus, and the sexuality, et cetera. But 745 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: like the wedding dress scene, going to trying a dress 746 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: is supposed to be angelic and so perfect and so 747 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 1: like sort of almost phony, and like drink it as 748 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: a champagne and it's gonna be perfect. Even if the 749 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: wedding is gonna be perfect and the people end up divorce, 750 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,720 Speaker 1: that scene in your life or on television is always 751 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: just perfect. So did you guys have those scenes where 752 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: someone will go trying the wedding dresses on the Bachelor Bachelor, right, 753 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: you must have. 754 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 3: It's so funny because this is all just I mean, 755 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,879 Speaker 3: I don't really believe in coincidences, but just the fact 756 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 3: that two days ago I was watching I went to 757 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 3: try on wedding dresses with Jimmy Kimmel and Germo for 758 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 3: like a funny bit on their show, and it was 759 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 3: so funny because the girl at the bridle shop, you know, 760 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 3: it's like all these white dresses, and you know it's 761 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 3: supposed to be like the virgin getting sent away by 762 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 3: her father to another like the slot on television, right, right, 763 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 3: So they're like, oh, do you want something like maybe 764 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 3: different and pink, and Jimmy was like, oh, that's not fair, 765 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 3: is that because you watched her season and you don't 766 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 3: think she deserves to wear white? So that's whole It's 767 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 3: just so funny. So I just watched that two days 768 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 3: ago to show my friend just this funny bit that 769 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,240 Speaker 3: we did about trying on wedding dresses. So then watching 770 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 3: this scene, I found it comical to be like, oh 771 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 3: my gosh, this whole scene and what you said, it's 772 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,760 Speaker 3: supposed to be just this magical moment and the tear 773 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 3: falls when you get the right one, and here the 774 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 3: mother is trying to throw a shoe, and it was 775 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 3: just incredible. 776 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 4: Right. 777 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: So it's so funny because this show is so weird 778 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: in that even more than my other show Just b 779 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: which is about like talking about people in their lives 780 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: and real issues. This show about something so ridiculous, meaning 781 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: this show rewives about tragic, ridiculous, absurd episodeisodes always ends 782 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: up bringing up so many real issues for me and 783 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: the guests, like you and I are talking about like 784 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: childhood trauma and abandonment and sexuality. It's so I love 785 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,720 Speaker 1: the show for that that, like there are always always 786 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: these gems and it's always full circle, and like this 787 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: is so weird that you're saying that because I'm feeling 788 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: the same thing. I'm like thinking about my childhood and 789 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 1: me my mother and whatever. That's so it's fascinating. So yeah, 790 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: this is that angelic perfect scene. So let's get so 791 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: Carmen is there and she's supporting her friend and boss 792 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: and it makes total sense that she's there. Yeah, and 793 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: the mom comes in so hot and is so disrespectful 794 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: from the jump, like the side eye the well if 795 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 1: she marries someone else, and she's just letting us know 796 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: that like this wedding isn't gonna happen, and that. 797 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 4: This is all just a freaking hand job. 798 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: This is a charade, This is just a motion that 799 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: we're going through with these dresses, which probably the producers 800 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: is suggested to do. They wanted Tinsley to try and 801 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: wedding dresses when she wasn't even engaged, so that's what 802 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: they know what they're doing. That's a low hanging fruit 803 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,399 Speaker 1: scene that's gonna rate for the viewer. Let's go try 804 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: a wedding dresses. So now we're all in here and 805 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 1: the mom is just you know, rolling her eyes and 806 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: also saying they're not getting married. And she's got two sidekicks. 807 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: She's got the two backup dancers that are on the 808 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,280 Speaker 1: same exact page. And this is Kandy's family. 809 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. 810 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 3: That's what made me said, is I'm like, no, you're 811 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 3: the family. I actually had a question you because like 812 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 3: in Bachelor World, they will say, you know, like you 813 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 3: shouldn't be happy about this situation. The producers, I'm saying, 814 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 3: they'll be like, you shouldn't be happy about the situation, 815 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 3: like you should go in hot and feel this way 816 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 3: because this is what this person did to you. I 817 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 3: wonder do producers like fire up the mom to go 818 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 3: in there and and like amper up for that. 819 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,760 Speaker 1: Probably not in as orchestrated as a way or produced 820 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: way as the Hills and The Bachelor Bachelorette. But what 821 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: would happened was you're got you're getting out of the 822 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: car to go into a scene, and then you're being micd. 823 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: So while you're being miked, the producer will come over 824 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 1: while the sound person is micing you, or get into 825 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: the car. Okay, remember to hit the beats about how 826 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: you feel about Todd, how you feel about to the mom, 827 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: to the mom, how you feel about Carmen, et cetera. 828 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: And the producers might have said to Candy, are you 829 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 1: gonna stick up to your mom today? 830 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 4: Are you gonna whatever? And clearly Candy didn't. 831 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: But there's some beat that's discussed that's going to go 832 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: down and like seeds are and then there's something planted 833 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,839 Speaker 1: about with happening in this moment and then also the 834 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: future moment. Like at the cabaret, there were beats that 835 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: the producer said to the women that were like, okay, 836 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: remember to invite everybody. 837 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,959 Speaker 4: Now, remember to invite everybody to the trip. 838 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,720 Speaker 1: Because they always want to set up the next scene, 839 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,439 Speaker 1: so you're always paying it forward. So in each scene 840 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: you're trying to set up the next scene. It's happening 841 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: while addressing what's happening in this scene and addressing something 842 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: that happened before, like, and not every talent hits all 843 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: the beats, and some talents like myself, are like, should stop, 844 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: I know what to do and leave me alone, and 845 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: I want to do real but often it's like, oh, 846 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: remember to talk to the mom or the anthem I 847 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: would happen last time, like you know, past, present, and future. 848 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 4: So that's kind of how it goes down. 849 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: But it's beats. The ant is amazing. I just love 850 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: the ant I don't know why. It's just like and 851 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: she gets up and she and the friend is also amazing, 852 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 1: Like Carmen is amazing, and she's standing her ground and 853 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: where is the line? She kept her cool, but she 854 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: still was fighting with her friends and herr boss is mother. 855 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,280 Speaker 3: So like, yes, where is that line? 856 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 4: Like I think. 857 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: I think the friend should just respectfully leave. It's a 858 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,720 Speaker 1: mother and a daughter and she's the it's her boss, 859 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,439 Speaker 1: and she was kind of almost about to throw down 860 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: with the mom too, and I agree with everything she 861 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: was saying, but I feel like that's the moment when 862 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: it's like and she did, I'm going to respectfully leave. 863 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like obviously we needed that scene, but 864 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 3: I would have just pulled Candy aside right away and 865 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 3: been like, your mom is mommy, your mom's doing the 866 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,840 Speaker 3: mom thing, and I don't know how to deal with this. 867 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 3: But of course we needed that scene for TV. So 868 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 3: I don't know where that line is of how to 869 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 3: deal with it, because you want to stand up for yourself, 870 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 3: but you know that your friend can't even stand up 871 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,840 Speaker 3: to her own mom. So should you or should you 872 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 3: back down and go I don't know. 873 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: Well, in real life, you wouldn't do that, because you 874 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't go up to the bride and like pull focus 875 00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,240 Speaker 1: even if someone was crazy. In reality life, you know yes, 876 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 1: and you know it's like if you say in reality, like, 877 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: oh my god, I really hope there's no drama on 878 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: this trip. Producers just want drama on this trip. So 879 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: like Carmen leaving takes away from the drama. If she 880 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: storms out, it adds to the drama and you have 881 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,879 Speaker 1: to do real But like her being in the nex 882 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 1: room is probably the producer saying stay in here and 883 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: we'll have Candy come talk to you. And obviously the 884 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,800 Speaker 1: fight was what made it iconic, so I'm glad that 885 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,439 Speaker 1: it happened. First of all, before before we get into 886 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: the show, I think the mom said the words I 887 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: will fuck you up. I'm pretty sure that she said 888 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 1: I will find Okay, you heard that too, I. 889 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 3: Mean I don't because you say that that's hilarious. 890 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I love like a mom saying at her 891 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: daughter's bridle fitting, I will fuck you up, like that's 892 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 1: insane and amazing, and I don't want it for. 893 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 3: My own shoe in her hand, the shoe in her hand. 894 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 4: I have a question. 895 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 3: I went to a taping of Watch What Happens Live 896 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,439 Speaker 3: because I love Brian Cranston and he was on there 897 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 3: and I'd asked a question at the beginning, and I said, 898 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 3: do you think they'd ever do a real housewise of Nashville? 899 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,839 Speaker 3: And he was like, I think we're good on all 900 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 3: the housewise, but I feel like it would be so 901 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 3: good to do a show in Nashville. 902 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: It might, but it's all about the cast and who 903 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: they can find, and that they might not be starting 904 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: new cities. They might be like nurturing their own cities, 905 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: and the franchise is having some issues. Certain flagship stores 906 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: do really well, like Beverly Hills, other cities don't do 907 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: as well, but it's their biggest money making, multi billion 908 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,280 Speaker 1: dollar property that the network owns. And also cable networks 909 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 1: are streamers for old people at this point. Oh so 910 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: it's a challenging time and space to start nuance in 911 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 1: my opinion, But of course I don't know. So Canny 912 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: is a is passive and she's a stifler. She stuffs 913 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: it down, and I think she enables her mother. She 914 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: does not set boundaries, like it's okay to like not 915 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: go rip your mother a new hon or, be disrespectful, 916 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 1: she said to Todd earlier. I would never speak to 917 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,360 Speaker 1: my mother that way. But she does not set any boundaries. 918 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,839 Speaker 1: So I wanted to know from the producers if to 919 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: this day it still goes on. And I also want 920 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: to know if she's still in a good relationship with Todd, 921 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 1: because on another show the other day, OH, with Jill Zarin, 922 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,760 Speaker 1: I talked about who the longest lasting relationship surviving and thriving. 923 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,279 Speaker 4: It might have Kylo. 924 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,280 Speaker 1: Morisio just allegedly sort of split. It seems like Candy 925 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: and Todd have done a good job of staying together 926 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: on a show as like main characters. 927 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,359 Speaker 4: So I don't oh, so you don't know if they 928 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,800 Speaker 4: are still together or not. Candy and Todd. I believe 929 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 4: that they definitely are. 930 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 1: So so Candy's good at, you know, holding onto a 931 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 1: relationship she's had for a. 932 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 4: Long time, and that's positive because she's still with Todd. 933 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 4: I know. 934 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: I just want you to know that the mom Mama 935 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,839 Speaker 1: Joyce said she could it was interesting because she was like, oh, 936 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: they're not gonna end up together. But and and Carmen 937 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 1: is definitely sleeping to Todd, but she could have his 938 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: little lass like so disrespectful. 939 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 4: To your daughter's partner. Like, I think it's good. Tical 940 00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 4: the best scene ever. 941 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,799 Speaker 3: I mean, it's comical, it's really funny. I laughed out 942 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 3: loud a couple times, and I just couldn't believe it 943 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 3: was real because if that was my mom, I just 944 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,719 Speaker 3: can't even imagine my mom doing anything like that. But 945 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 3: that's now I think about it. Like you said, Candy 946 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,879 Speaker 3: holds onto relationships. She's probably too scared to set any 947 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 3: boundaries with her mom because she's too worried about losing 948 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 3: that relationship or her mom just I don't know, being 949 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 3: done with her. But somebody said, there's a quote and 950 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,960 Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna butcher it. But it's about the only 951 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,879 Speaker 3: people that boundaries affect are the ones who benefited from 952 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 3: them in the first place. So the mom is benefiting 953 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 3: from her not having boundaries because she gets to like 954 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 3: just you know, yeah, do her thing. But Candy's too 955 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,800 Speaker 3: afraid to set those boundaries because she's scared of her mom. 956 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 1: Does that mean there's an imbalance in a relationship because 957 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 1: Candy's always suffering and the mom is always indulging her 958 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 1: own impulses, and it's totally out of balance. It's not 959 00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: like once in a while where someone could snap or 960 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,400 Speaker 1: you know my message is and know it. 961 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 4: He was great. 962 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: I could be a little scathing, you know, I never 963 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: go below the belt, but like then I course correct 964 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,879 Speaker 1: and check myself because there's a balance. And in any 965 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 1: relationship the best that I'm in, whether it's my daughter 966 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,640 Speaker 1: or you know, someone I work with or my fiance, like, 967 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,880 Speaker 1: I'm self aware and the person is going to establish 968 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: the boundaries and I also set them too. It's just 969 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 1: really very imbalanced, and I think it still is. Yeah, 970 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,680 Speaker 1: all right, So that was amazing. I think it's a 971 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 1: great show. I think you were you know, because when 972 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: I started doing rewives. I thought about Paul. My fiance 973 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,080 Speaker 1: was like, you should really need to have people who 974 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,279 Speaker 1: really know about housewives, and I'm like, I like both. 975 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: I don't like when someone comes on here and is like, oh, 976 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,720 Speaker 1: I don't know and I don't know. Like you invested 977 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,560 Speaker 1: in it, you leaned into it and we ended up 978 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,879 Speaker 1: having a lot of amazing conversations about life. I don't 979 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 1: think both of us have to be experts on it 980 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,000 Speaker 1: because then you get a fresh set of eyes and 981 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:46,840 Speaker 1: fresh perspective. 982 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 4: So I like that. 983 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: But you were the perfect guest for that. So I 984 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,560 Speaker 1: thank you for really leaning in and doing this. 985 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:52,799 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. 986 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:53,520 Speaker 4: Thank you. 987 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,200 Speaker 1: And we also got to talk about your life and 988 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: your experience on TV, so I think it was really interesting. 989 00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 4: So awesome. All right, thank you. So is there anything 990 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:00,879 Speaker 4: you wanted to promote that you're doing? 991 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 3: By the way, I kind of tried to slip in 992 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 3: there my podcast, But what's it called. It's called Off 993 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:06,400 Speaker 3: the Vine. 994 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,000 Speaker 1: Off the Vine? Oh, I think logo is so cute 995 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:09,800 Speaker 1: and so is the background. 996 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 4: Okay, thank you. 997 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,080 Speaker 3: I've had it for six years and you're the only 998 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 3: other podcast that I don't listen to. Other podcasts you're 999 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,759 Speaker 3: the only other one that I'll listen to, and it's 1000 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 3: helped me with I started my own wine label, and 1001 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,440 Speaker 3: so yes, it's so helpful. Off the vine, no, so 1002 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 3: we called it Spade and Sparrows's. That's a whole other story. 1003 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 3: But my podcast was always a wine centric podcast and 1004 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 3: always on The Bachelor, everyone knew me for having a 1005 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:34,920 Speaker 3: glass of wine all the time. And so I started 1006 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,360 Speaker 3: my own wine label with Don Sebastianian Sons out of 1007 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,759 Speaker 3: NAPA and we're in Target and Costco now and we're 1008 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 3: just growing. But do I was wondering if you drink wine? 1009 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 4: I do. 1010 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 1: I just launched it Forever Young Wine. What kind of 1011 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:48,320 Speaker 1: is it rose or is it white? 1012 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:48,759 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1013 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,240 Speaker 3: I have white rose, pino noir and a cab So sure. 1014 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 4: Send it, I'll try it and i'll your review. 1015 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,560 Speaker 3: I would love that. Thank you, honestly, thank you so 1016 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,760 Speaker 3: much for having me, and I would love an honest 1017 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 3: review for you of the and I'm count wait to 1018 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 3: try yours. 1019 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 4: Fantastic, Thank you, Okay, goodness so much. Bye. 1020 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,920 Speaker 1: Well that was unexpected and amazing and she was so 1021 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,160 Speaker 1: insightful and interesting and smart and like that was really great. 1022 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,319 Speaker 1: I mean, I loved her gorgeous inside and out. Well, 1023 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,279 Speaker 1: I like her a lot. That was great, really great, 1024 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,319 Speaker 1: And sometimes you hear like, oh, it's a bachelorette act 1025 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 1: and I thought, like, you know, is she going to 1026 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,000 Speaker 1: be fascinating and interesting and smart and guess what she 1027 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:28,520 Speaker 1: really was? 1028 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 4: That was wonderful, So I'm really happy today. That was great.