1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called me Ben. 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: You're joined with our guest superproducer, Ben super Shifter Hackett. 7 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know now. 9 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,959 Speaker 1: In our previous week, as you may know longtime conspiracy realists, 10 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: we were on the road having a series of strange 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: misadventures that we can't wait to tell you about in 12 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: the future. But we had to return live and in 13 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: full effect for one of our favorite weekly segments, strange News, 14 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: all the stuff that either doesn't make it into the 15 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: headlines or doesn't get maybe the analysis that it deserves. 16 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: So without further ado, we're going to We're going to 17 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: explore some tragedies in Nashville. We're going to talk about exorcism, 18 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: but not in the way you imagine perhaps, And before 19 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: we do any of that, Matt Nol whence the last 20 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: time you went to a big sports game? M I'm 21 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: gonna say never. Wait, oh man, now I've been to 22 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: a baseball game. I've never been. I was having this 23 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: conversation to the day I've I've literally never been to 24 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: a football game. And I lived in Athens, Georgia for 25 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: four years, which is weird that I never made it 26 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: to a UGA game. But yeah, not not not a many. Well, guys, 27 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: Yesterday I happened to have dropped some money on some 28 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: season tickets for the Gwynnette Stripers. It's a baseball team 29 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: based I was gonna ask. It's a part of the Atlantas, 30 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: but it's one of the minor league teams. And I'm 31 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: so excited for my son and I to go to 32 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: ball games like on the weekends. That is some serious 33 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: father son stuff right there. Thats good, good, good man, dude. 34 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: I do Look, I didn't get the really good ones, 35 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: and I also didn't get a whole bunch of them. 36 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: But we're gonna go to some games. Okay, okay, I 37 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: mean does that mean we can get the end we 38 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: can get like the you can hook us up when 39 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: you can't go. Yeah. Yeah, if you guys want to 40 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: go together, or if one of you wants to come 41 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: with me. If my son can't make it, let's go. 42 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I'm in. I'm kind of a drifter, so 43 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: it would be nice to show up to a game 44 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: with some official paperwork. Yeah, because they're always all about 45 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: show us your papers. Yeah yeah, oriented yeah, oriented society. 46 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: It basically like getting into a minor league game illegally 47 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: is like as we all know. I'm sure it's like 48 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 1: trying to sneak into North Korea. They are buttoned up. 49 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: But Matt, quick question, do they do? We know what 50 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: kind of turf they have the singers? Honestly, I do 51 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: not know. It looks real to me, but I think 52 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: that's how it's supposed to be designed, right, it's supposed 53 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: to Yeah, yeah, well, okay, so this story is pretty serious. 54 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: It's a little speculative. I just have to put that 55 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: out there before you even begin. But I think it's important. 56 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: And this is kind of ringing the same bell that 57 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: I've been ringing for a long time with you guys, 58 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: that old pfas the Forever Chemicals bell that it's just 59 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: like an alarm bell. I guess we've been ringing for 60 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: a while now. Yeah, it's shaped like a skull and 61 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: cross bonds yeah, yeah, So some of this is going 62 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: to be familiar to you listening already, but we need 63 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: to talk about it. There is potential that some of 64 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: the artificial turf that has been used for decades for 65 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: professional baseball teams and you know, uh, major leagues, minor leagues, 66 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: and even some schools use this turf and the past, 67 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: there's potential that this turf is cancer causing because it 68 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: does contain forever chemicals. At least many of the false turfs, 69 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: the AstroTurf which is a proper noun, there a lot 70 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: of it has been tested and shown to have all 71 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: kinds of things like benzene that leaches out of it 72 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: over time, and just terrible things for the players who 73 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: end up on that turf. So let's go to the story. 74 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: It comes to us from mid March twenty twenty three. 75 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: It was first reported in the Philadelphia Inquirer, which is 76 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: what we're going to be primarily getting our information from today. 77 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: But the reason why it pined for this episode is 78 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: because the Guardian was talking about it, and this is 79 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: what you can search for and find. Artificial turf potentially 80 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: linked to cancer deaths of six Philadelphia Phillies ball players report. 81 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: The report is coming out of the Philadelphia Inquirer, and 82 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: all six of these players contracted a or what do 83 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: you what is it with cancer? You got cancer? You 84 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: cancer it? Yeah, I mean I think I think contracted 85 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: is probably contracted would be the typical nomenclature. Yeah. They 86 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: they all ended up with a very rare form of 87 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: brain cancer called a glioblastoma. It's very aggressive. All of 88 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: them died. All six players died. All of them were 89 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: under the age of sixty years old when they died. 90 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: We'll name the players right here, Tug McCraw, Darren Dalton, 91 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: John Vukovic, John Oates, Ken Brett, and David West. They 92 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: all played at a specific stadium, veteran stadium. This was 93 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: at the time when this new turf was put in. 94 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: It was state of the art. It was this brand new, 95 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: exciting thing. This is this field is not going to 96 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: be required to be taken care of in the same 97 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: way all of the other baseball fields will need to 98 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: be taken care of. Right, It's not grass that has 99 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: to be fed and cut all those things. It's this 100 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: new They called it a quote magic carpet back in 101 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: the day and over the years after just Honestly, some 102 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: weird health stuff has been going down with baseball players 103 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: who play on these fields on a regular basis. I 104 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: would highly recommend you check out the Philadelphia Inquirers article 105 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: to get all of the information, But I want to 106 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: hit some of the primary things here. What chemicals were 107 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: found within the turf at this veteran stadium where these 108 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: players played. There were pfas, that's those per and polyfloral 109 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: altical substances. And it wasn't just one PFAS chemical that 110 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: was found in there. There were sixteen separate forever chemicals 111 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: that were found within these things. And if that was 112 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: from testing that was done by Eurofins Lancaster Laboratories environmental testing, 113 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: and each of those we should mention each of this 114 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: rogue's gallery of chemicals can be carcinogenic on its own. Yes, 115 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: what led to the testing? Was it like routine or 116 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: was this as a result of these reports or the 117 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: idea of their being in connection? The connection, the theoretical 118 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: connection was made, which is then why it all got tested. 119 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: And the question was is there an actual link between 120 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: this turf and this rare cancer that these players got right? 121 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: And how could you prove that? How can you prove 122 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: that the turf is what gave them cancer? One note 123 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: here too meant that might be of interest or a 124 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist. Glioblastoma, most causes of it are officially 125 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: unclear at this time, but doctors and researchers currently believe 126 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: only about five percent of glioblastoma cases occurred due to 127 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: hereditary factors. So it's an environmental thing, which I think 128 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: is part of the red flag. Yeah, and just so 129 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: you guys know, there are no studies linking forever chemicals 130 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: to brain cancer at all. Zero. There Forever chemicals are 131 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: linked to kidney cancers and testicular cancers, at least officially, 132 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: those are the only two things that are linked to 133 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: But p fas has been found in the human brain. 134 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? So we're just not at the 135 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: level yet where we can say definitively this is what 136 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: caused the brain tumor. Well, and like I mean, I 137 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: just feel like a lot of cancer research is sort 138 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: of a black box. And in that respect, I mean, 139 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: we know, you know, cigarette smoke carcentage and the cigarette 140 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: smoke lead to cancer, lead to lung cancer, but not 141 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: everybody that smokes cigarettes gets lung cancer. And you have 142 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: people that get lung cancer and I've never touched a 143 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: cigarette in their life, and people that smoke a pack 144 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: a day until they're seventy and you know, die of 145 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: natural causes. It's just I'm not justifying smoking cigarettes. I'm 146 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: just saying it is a little bit of a crap 147 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: not a crapshoot, But like you know, it's it's a 148 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: little mysterious sometimes as to we know some things can 149 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: cause it, but then there are other factors as well 150 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: that make might make one person more likely to get 151 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: it because of that outside factor than others. No, you're right, 152 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: there could be a ton of factors to win and 153 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: all this stuff. It could be a particular environmental factor 154 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia near where they played, right, or you have 155 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: nothing to do with the turf, had to do more 156 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: with the older building, right, and something you know, some 157 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: kind of building material that was in their or insulation 158 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: that was used, or paint or you know, there are 159 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: all these things. Here's an interesting connection we could make 160 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: in this Guardian article that you hipped us to Matt, which, 161 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: as you said, by Tom Perkins, is very much worth 162 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: the read this. There's a note here where they talk 163 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: about the nature of artificial or AstroTurf, and they mentioned 164 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: the infill specifically on the field. It is made with 165 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: recycled rubber tire components called crumb rubber and looking at leoblastoma, 166 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: which I didn't know off the dome, looking at leoblastoma, 167 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: environmental factors that can lead to that condition do include 168 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: rubber manufacturing. So I'm wondering if that's a possible connection. Oh, 169 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: for sure, because there's stuff. There's stuff in that rubber, 170 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: the previously known as tires now soil, fake soil stuff. 171 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: There's benzene in there, for sure. Heavy metals are in 172 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: their volatile organic compounds according to the Guardian, other carcinogens. 173 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: And that's so if you imagine you're looking at the 174 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: soil like a cross section, right, you've got the artificial turf, 175 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: the stuff that looks like grass on the top, right, 176 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: and then below that, instead of putting soil or something 177 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: that you would in a regular stadium that has grass, 178 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: you put this filth that Ben is talking about. And 179 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: every time a player steps with cleats on that artificial 180 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: turf on the top, those cleats push in a little bit. 181 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: You know, maybe they don't pierce that top layer, but 182 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: they push in and they aggravate all the stuff below it. 183 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: And if it's been raining, uh, if the conditions are right, 184 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: if it's super hot outside in that that ground is heated, 185 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: then some of those chemicals get agitated and maybe release 186 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: in a different way. We don't know for sure, but 187 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: it's a it's a possibility. And then imagine like sliding 188 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: on that stuff like like face first, yeah or whatever, Yeah, 189 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: for sure, left field or something. I mean, it's there's 190 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: just a huge potential for exposure there, M and Ben, 191 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: I have a question for you, Um, isn't it like 192 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: notoriously difficult to definitively prove or link you know, these 193 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: types of cases to a particular situation you know, or 194 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: exposure event or at the very least you know, such 195 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: that maximum uh damages are paid out in these kinds 196 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: of court cases. Yeah. Yeah, it can be quite difficult 197 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: because again, cancer is an umbrella term, right, and one 198 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: treatment for one type of cancer may not necessary really 199 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: be as efficacious when applied to another type of cancer. Right. 200 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: Cancer is like saying chair There are untold variations of chairs, right, 201 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: and the one thing they have in common is that 202 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: people sit on them. The one thing that cancer has 203 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: in common is that it is it is a dangerous 204 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: abnormality of cell growth. So with this, uh, you know, 205 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: there are a lot of class action lawsuits about things 206 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: like think of think of as best exposure, and think 207 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: of agent orange. The struggle to get treatment or even 208 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: acknowledgement of the causes of agent orange continues well after 209 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: the Vietnam War, well after Iraq. Even so, when we're 210 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: looking at this, you bring up an excellent pointnel, It 211 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: is very difficult for someone to be able to say 212 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: this is the cause, this is the origin point of 213 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: this condition. However, there is a helpful thing here, kind 214 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: of like meslothemioma in asbestos cases. Glioblastoma is so rare 215 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: that it strengthens your case to say, hey, these folks 216 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: all have one thing in common despite their demographics. They 217 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: all worked at the same place. We're exposed to the 218 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: same things around the same time. But again, it's devilishly 219 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: difficult to prove that conclusively in a court of law. Wow, guys, 220 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: so there's way more to talk about here. I'm going 221 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: to send everybody to the Philadelphia Inquirer look for quote, 222 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: what to know about forever chemicals, artificial turf, Phillies, cancer deaths, 223 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: and our story. That's the title of the article. It 224 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: was written by Barbara Laker and David gamba Quorta, and 225 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: it was published on March seventh in the Philadelphia Inquirer. 226 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: Lots more answers for you inside there. The biggest takeaway 227 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: is that there are cities across the country that are 228 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: beginning to ban artificial turf outright completely. Uh, not all 229 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: of them, but several of them. And when was this 230 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: installed again, Matt originally seventies, So this is like of 231 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: the same ilk as like asbestos, where it was just 232 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: a magical material used in everything and then whoops, we 233 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: figured it out later and then had to, you know, 234 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: mitigate all of those legacy installations. Yeah, it's it's teflon, 235 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: but for a playing field, you know, invented in the 236 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: uh let's see, invented in the sixties, so it was 237 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: still relatively new when it was laid out there in Philly. 238 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: Are there not other uh stadiums that have this though? 239 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like twelve thousand, right, there's a lot. There's 240 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: a lot, Okay that that certainly muddies the water more 241 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: than Yeah, why aren't there Why aren't there more rare 242 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,119 Speaker 1: cancer deaths linked to other you know, I mean, I guess, yeah, 243 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: that's that's an interesting one. Yeah. And it's not just baseball, 244 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: by the way, NFL stadiums have this stuff. FIFA stadiums 245 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: or you know, soccer stadiums have this stuff. And hey, 246 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: here's something fun. FIFA, FIFA, we know them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 247 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: they're great when when they're putting on a World Cup match, 248 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: you know what one of their requirements is slavery well, yes, 249 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: and it can't be artificial turf. It cannot be artificial 250 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: turn is that more of just like a prestige thing 251 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: probably maybe like a rule thing about how real grass 252 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: versus a yeah point, or maybe I never thought I 253 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: would say it, but maybe it's like a good on 254 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: you FIFA situation. Maybe, So we'll give them this one, guys, 255 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: we'll give them this. They don't say anything about the 256 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: games that aren't the World Cup. I mean, come on, 257 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: oh you got me with a Santa laugh. Sorry, there 258 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: you go. All right, Well that's it for now. Key 259 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: watch on that, especially if you find out your local 260 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: teams play on artificial turf, or if you're a player 261 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: of any sport that uses the stuff. Just keep it 262 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: in mind, all right. We'll be right back after a 263 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: word from our sponsors or a player in general, we'd 264 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: like to hear from you. Got a co sign from 265 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: mister Matt Frederick. There we are back. Here's our next thing. 266 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: This is a bit of a hobby horse, hopefully not 267 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: just for me, but for a lot of people. For 268 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: many years, we know about the problems with drug cartels. 269 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: The world rounds is specifically in Latin America, often in 270 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: the past aided and abetted by the same institutions of 271 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: the US government that purport to combat them. There are 272 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: tons of folklore around this, There are billions of dollars 273 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: around this, and there are a lot of surreal situations. 274 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: You know, not too long ago, famous hippo enthusiast also 275 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: drug dealer, Pablo Escobar created an entire, entirely new invasive 276 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: species situation when he imported hippos to Colombia, and they 277 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: live there now. Hippos are, by the way, the most 278 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: dangerous land mammal by far. Don't mess with them. Don't 279 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: care how cute they look, don't don't do it. The 280 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: baby ones are cute, The big ones are terrifying. Yeah, 281 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: and they're fast. The little ears are cute though, No, 282 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: that's isn't that a thing too? They're No, that's rhinoceroses. 283 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: They're like mega fast land animals. But yeah, there's a 284 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: hippos will come up from underneath and like they'll knock 285 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: your boat over. Yeah, they're hungry at your face, hungry, 286 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: hungry indeed, and they're they're quite they're quite dangerous. They're 287 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: much faster than you might think if you just looked 288 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: at one lulling by the river, either sense of the 289 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: word lull There here's what happened. Uh. Several years ago, 290 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: we reported on a a serial killer murder case amid 291 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: some narcos. Narcos would be another term for operatives of 292 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: a cartel. We know about narcos Saints like Santa Muerte, 293 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: We know that there. We know about narco corridos, right. 294 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: We like the ballads, the songs, Yeah, the glorify always 295 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: sounds so upbeat. Yeah, of course that some of them 296 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: are bangers. I'm not gonna lie objectively. Some of them 297 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: are really good songs. Uh, Okay, we've got we've got 298 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: guest producers. Super Shifter over there going oh yeah, okay, 299 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: some of them are catching yeah, medium, no, alright, alright, 300 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: So this this is something that amazed me that came 301 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: out recently. Loved to share it with everyone. Colombia's chief 302 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: of police recently made a statement about unconventional methods used 303 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: to combat drug cartels. Those methods are not spying, which 304 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: they do if they can. Those methods are not you know, 305 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: kick doors, which they do if they can, nor requisition 306 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: of evidence, which of course they do if they can. Instead, 307 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: the chief of Police of Columbia said that he and 308 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 1: his colleagues and other officers use exorcism and focused prayer 309 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: to combat the country's most powerful criminals because they believe 310 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:39,479 Speaker 1: those criminals use dark magic, use occult methods to ensure 311 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: their success, and they all believe this magic works. I'm sorry. 312 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: Focused prayer, this is a new one for me. Looks 313 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 1: like you get together a group of people, maybe you 314 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: make offerings to certain saints, you focus your tension, right, 315 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: like weaponized psychologists, like praying at somebody. Yes, yeah, that's 316 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: a good description. So as though the law enforcement they're 317 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: on the side of God, I guess in this case, 318 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: and then the people they are combating or on the 319 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: side of the devil. Yes, yeah, I don't know about that. 320 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: It feels like the folks on both sides are on 321 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: the side of you know, Catholicism, and they just justify 322 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: their actions in different ways by praying to different saints 323 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,719 Speaker 1: in different you know, for different reasons. I don't know. 324 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: It just you know, even if you watch like Breaking Bad, 325 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: like the Twins, you know them, the assassins with the hatchets, 326 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: like they're always like, you know, doing stuff with saints 327 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,719 Speaker 1: and lighting candles and seem like really devoutly religious and 328 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: also have like skulls and kind of you know, kind 329 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: of black magic e looking stuff. But I think a 330 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: lot of that stuff is like Deo Della's Mrto's kind 331 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: of stuff and is still tied in with Catholicism. Well. 332 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: Catholicism is also interesting because it engages proactively throughout history 333 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: in the practice of religious ratism, which is saying, oh, 334 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: your local non Christian pantheon is the same. You know, 335 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: these are actually saints from Catholicism and you were just 336 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: confused about the brand names. So let us tell you 337 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: how to how you should be worshiping something by the way, 338 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: you know, we're enslaving you and spreading disease, etc. Etc. 339 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: This Okay, So the first we kind of learned about 340 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: this in terms of occult dealings in the world of 341 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: cartels comes from the case of Adolfo de Jesus Constanzo, 342 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: which was a Cuban American serial killer, drug dealer, and 343 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: cult leader. You can read about his harrowing tale or 344 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: you can listen to our previous episode about this kind 345 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 1: of stuff. I think we mentioned him a few times. 346 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: He is not the Colombian cartel. He's not affiliated with 347 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: the Colombian cartels that that police chief General Henry Sana 348 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: Bree is targeting. But just a few days ago, Santabria 349 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: tells local media that not only have the authorities resorted 350 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: to these you know, I guess you could call them 351 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: counter occult methods, but also Santabria is convinced that these 352 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: practices have worked, they have delivered results. Why does he 353 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: say that, because this is not a new thing. They 354 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: said for about a half a century, fifty years, the 355 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: authorities have been doing this, and he recalls specific examples. 356 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,479 Speaker 1: You can read about this in CBS News should you 357 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: prefer English. Originally found it on Samana dot com, which 358 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: is Spanish language and big thanks to Vicky Davida who 359 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 1: wrote the original article. But what we see here is 360 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: a pretty strident interview. Santa Bria does things like bring 361 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: up specific examples from the past where he feels these 362 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: spiritual practices worked. He said, there are police operations against 363 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: Escobar in nineteen ninety three, and exorcism and prayer played 364 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: a part in their victory. Then he notes the assassination 365 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: of Alfonso Kano in twenty eleven. That's a fark Garria leader. 366 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: And then he notes the assassination of a military chief 367 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: who worked for Kino known as Mono Jojoy twenty ten, 368 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: and he says this quote, I can't wait to hear 369 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: what you think about this. The existence of the devil 370 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: is certain. I have seen him, I have felt him, 371 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: and he made the sign of the cross when he 372 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: mentions the devil. Also, if you look at that Samana 373 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: article which comes from the magazine, you can see that 374 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: his office is surrounded by crucifixes, by effigies of the 375 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: Virgin Mary, all the hits from Catholicism. And he also, 376 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: like okay, one of the most recent examples, he says 377 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: there was a group of unarmed police officers that were 378 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: surrounded by hundreds of protesters who were right on the 379 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: edge of rioting, right becoming violent, and Sanabria arrives at 380 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: the scene. He pulls out a crucifix and he feels 381 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: that that repelled again hundreds of protesters. They packed their 382 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: stuff up and left. Now before a monologue too long, 383 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: maybe too late? What do you guys think about this 384 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: when you hear this story. I don't see the correlation. 385 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: But maybe if there's enough of a belief that that 386 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: crucifix and a holy man of some sort performing a 387 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: ritual could have an effect on you, Right, if there's 388 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: a belief in the people that that weaponized psychology has 389 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: been being used against its strong enough, then yeah, then 390 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: maybe something did happen there where there is correlation. But man, 391 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: that's certainly weird. Are there any other examples of something 392 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: used like that where an exorcism or a right was used? Oh, 393 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Yeah, you know, let's think about our 394 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: pal Gabriel Amorth, who was the chief exorcist for the Vatican, 395 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: right and heavily employed the use of what we call 396 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: proxy exorcisms, right, trying to exercise the fans of the 397 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: Harry Potter fiction franchise, for example. We also know in general, 398 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: in a country that has strong Catholic roots, people are 399 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: going to pray, right. There's nothing wrong with that, and 400 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that they are violating any rule of 401 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: their position. I mean, over in Philly, people are praying 402 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: to win a game. Right. This is different because win 403 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: or lose, everybody should be leaving safely. Right here. It's 404 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: interesting because we have one group cartels that are praying 405 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: to in some cases saints that are not acknowledged by 406 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: the official Catholic Church folk saints like Santamuete. And then 407 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: on the other side we have people ostensibly of the 408 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: same belief system praying for those favors. You know, I 409 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: think it is important to note Colombia is on paper 410 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: a secular country, but it has, you know, huge Catholic routes, 411 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: strong Catholic belief system, and this stuff. The conversation turned 412 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: into a fire store on social media. It went all 413 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: the way to the President, President Gustavo Petro. He said, look, 414 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 1: we know the beliefs of the General Santabria, but we 415 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: try to make sure that these beliefs do not affect 416 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: the rules. It's as simple as that. I think he's 417 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: respected them as far as we know. Oh yeah, that's great. Um, Okay, 418 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: this is a hunch bent Craig. If I'm wrong here, 419 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: I feel like this general if if he's pretty it 420 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: seems to be very religious. Man has you know, a 421 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: lot of faith. He's not an elected official, though he 422 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: is in the military, which, okay, that's good because he's 423 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: not making laws, right. Iagining there could be some political 424 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: crossover here. Ah, I see if maybe this is a 425 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: cynical move to sort of garner support for future political 426 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: run maybe quite possibly, you know. And it's difficult to 427 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: know people's internal motivations and desires. We only know what 428 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: people tell us about themselves. That's true. I'm also wondering 429 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: how far it goes, right, Like, it's so weird because 430 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: it's something that's been missing from the story or the 431 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: phenomenon for quite some time. Right, we knew certain cartels, 432 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: certain narcos were engaging in what might be called cultic 433 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: or occult practices, and this is almost like the other 434 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: shoe dropping. It's just very strange for someone of this 435 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: position to come out and say, you know, come out 436 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: and depict the authorities as though they are holy warriors 437 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: of a sort, especially if people are praying in the 438 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,239 Speaker 1: same belief system, you know what I mean. It's just 439 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: it's very muddy, very quickly, and I had the same 440 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: question Matt, like, how much do you guys think this 441 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: individual actually believes what they're saying. Well, if you're interested 442 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: in finding out more about exorcisms, our buddy Chandler Mays 443 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: has worked incredibly hard on a podcast series that's out 444 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: now called The Exorcist Files, featuring a renowned priest, father 445 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: Carlos Martins, and him talking about various exorcisms that he's performed, 446 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: and apparently exorcisms are up within the Catholic Church over 447 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: the past handful of years. So yeah, definitely some stuff 448 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: to find out there from the Exorcist Files. Yep. And 449 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: this show is fantastic if you've enjoyed our previous episodes 450 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: on exorcisms, which we're already on the rise even back 451 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: when we covered it. This is a continuing question and 452 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: it's a question that we want to pass to you, 453 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist. What do you think about the idea 454 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: of using spiritual and or occult means in real life, 455 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: real world tangible conflicts. Do you have other examples? Have 456 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: you experienced something directly? Do you know practitioners of certain arts? 457 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: If so, we would love to hear from you conspiracy 458 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: at iHeartRadio dot com. We'll give you our phone number 459 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: in our social at the end. Right now, we are 460 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: going to pause for a word from our sponsors, and 461 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: we will return with one more piece of strange news. 462 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: Oh man, we're back, guys. I can't get the image 463 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: out of my head of occult law enforcement officers in 464 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: some kind of sci fi. It's awesome. It should be 465 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: a series. It's incredible. A comic book. It's a comic 466 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: book created by Rosario Dawson and a friend of mine. 467 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: Actually elements of it in Like Preacher. You know, there's 468 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: definitely like kind of snippets of this whole vibe and 469 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: a lot of comics and graphic novel series that I 470 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: think we all dig. But very very interesting. So we're back, 471 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: as he said, Matt, with another piece of news. Unfortunately, 472 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: it's not strange because it's something that happens far too 473 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: often in this country. And not going to make this 474 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: a soapbox thing, but it's another school shooting at this 475 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: time in Nashville, Tennessee. And the reason I wanted to 476 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: bring this up and talk about it with you guys 477 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: is just there are certain people, you know, in politics 478 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: in government that really like to take these moments that 479 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: are just national tragedies that happen far too often and 480 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: use them to frame talking points that they like, whether 481 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: it be you know, for or against gun control or whatever. 482 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: The issue might be mental health for example, these are 483 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: maybe that's a positive one, a conversation that should be had. 484 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: We have a real, you know, lack of available mental 485 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: health care in this country and it's not something that 486 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,479 Speaker 1: really people are even and able to talk about as 487 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: much as that it's certainly gotten better. But so in Nashville, Tennessee, 488 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: at a Christian school, a private Christian school, Monday, as 489 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 1: we record this, there was a shooting there resulted in 490 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: six deaths, including three nine year old students and three 491 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: staff members who were killed by a shooter that was 492 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: revealed very quickly to to be a transgender woman. And 493 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: that has now become a massive part of the conversation, 494 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: this idea that because this person was trans this in 495 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: some way contributed or led to you know, the actions 496 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: that they took in a way that might happen again 497 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: or perhaps has even already happened. And and this is 498 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: this is a series of points that's being made across 499 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, a kind of right wing media and politics 500 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: and just sort of pundits. And it's even you know, 501 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: depending on the news source, it appears in the headline, 502 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: you know. And I mean I know that when I 503 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: first heard about it, I heard that it was a 504 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: woman that had done the shooting. And my immediate remark was, well, 505 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: that's weird, because it's like ninety eight percent of the 506 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: time it's it's a man. And then the transgender part 507 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: came out, and then boy did the internet go nuts. 508 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: And you know, as we we know, members of the 509 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: LGBTQ community, and especially trans people are often very vulnerable situations. 510 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: You know, people that lash out, whether it be online, 511 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: you know, or in the in the media or in person, 512 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: you know, hate crimes against you know, these folks for 513 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: no other reason than just living their lives and doing 514 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: what they can do and you know, choosing what their 515 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: truth is and living that out. And I just it's 516 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: really scary to think that something like this and that 517 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: rhetoric that really heated rhetoric could make that situation even worse. 518 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: When you have folks like Donald Trump Junior, you know, 519 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: saying there's a there's an epidemic of trans and LGBTQ shooters, 520 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, and then this is and that's just not 521 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: true A and B. It's just an odd thing to 522 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: say and an odd way to frame it. And then 523 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: you have folks like our own beloved Marjorie Taylor Green saying, well, 524 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: I guess now we know guns aren't the problem, you know. 525 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, that's like a dog whistle 526 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: way of saying, you know, this other's this other thing 527 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: that's the problem. So I don't know. Guys, again, I'm 528 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: not trying to soapbox here. It's just you know, I 529 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: have I have, I think we all have trans and 530 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: and you know, gender non binary people in our lives 531 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: we love, and it's just really upsetting to see that 532 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: this is something that could cause them further concern about 533 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: their very lives, especially given the sweeping proposals to me 534 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: people's existence a crime, you know, not their actions, just 535 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: their existence. I'm glad that you mentioned Marjorie Taylor Green. 536 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,280 Speaker 1: Politics aside, the person is unfit for office. It doesn't 537 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: matter what political party you identify with. But before we 538 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: say anything else, gentlemen, if I may, I want to 539 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: do something really important. I'm not going to talk too 540 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: much about my hometown. I'm not going to talk too 541 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 1: much about the people I know there. But there are 542 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: names that we need to remember. Evelyn dick House nine 543 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: years old, Mike Hill sixty one, Katherine Kotz sixty, Cynthia 544 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: Peak sixty one, Hayley Scruggs nine years old, William Kenny 545 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: nine years old. And how soon are those names going 546 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: to be forgotten? Well, that's very the very thing. It's 547 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: just it's so unremarkable this kind of thing happening. And 548 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: because it's so unremarkable, there are folks that would like 549 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: to make it remarkable in a way that would benefit 550 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: them by framing the conversation around what they see is 551 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: as an issue, which which is this the gender identity 552 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: of the shooter. And again not not going to soapbox 553 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: about gun control or any of that stuff. That's beside 554 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: the point, but it's just the fact that you know, um, 555 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: this is something that has to be kind of given 556 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: a spin because it happens so damn often, and people 557 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: are just desensitized to it. I mean, whatever your political 558 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: leanings might be, I think we can all agree that 559 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: that's messed up how often it happens, and and and 560 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: how we've become desensitized to it, and especially when you 561 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: see how it's used as a way to kind of 562 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 1: bolster political talking points. In this case, I would certainly 563 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: argue about the the utter wrong thing, and usually about 564 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: the utter wrong thing, at least in terms of the 565 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: loudest voices in the room, you know, in the in 566 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: the discourse. But I don't know, Matt, what do you 567 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 1: think it's hard? I mean, it's not even an opinion 568 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: thing that I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, 569 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: the only opinion I have here is that any focus 570 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: on this individual's identity, right, the way this person identifies, 571 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: shouldn't shouldn't be in the conversation probably, I mean, unless 572 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: it is directly linked, from a police standpoint, to the 573 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: motives behind the shooting. Right, that's interesting, and that could 574 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: be part of the story of this one incident. It 575 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: certainly could, but it would not have anything to do 576 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: with anybody else who identifies in the same way. Right, 577 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: you can't take something like this and apply it to 578 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: the big picture, I don't think well and to and 579 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: to have that knee jerk reaction to seize this as 580 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: an opportunity, to frame this as some sort of like 581 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: trans war on Christians or something, you know what I mean, 582 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: without any evidence, and I'm certain that you know. I look, 583 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: it's it's difficult, you know, being a trans person. I 584 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: don't know from experience obviously, but I mean it's there's 585 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,720 Speaker 1: a lot of challenges, and it's something you know, people 586 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: are bullied and treated poorly, and it's it's certainly a 587 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: psychological strain it can be, you know, And it's it's 588 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: folks that are committing to that and going all in, 589 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 1: and that's that's what is right for them. They know 590 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: what they're signing up for, you know, there's no mystery 591 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: about that. But to frame it in some sort of 592 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: like holistic way where it's like, yes, this is the 593 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: kind of thing that leads to school shooters is just 594 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: beyond absurd. I'm not even going to repeat some of 595 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: the nasty things that folks are saying online to that point. 596 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: It's deeply cynical, it is intentionally misleading, and it is 597 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: condescending in terms of not treating, not treating the intended 598 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: audience as though they are intellectual peers. That should be 599 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 1: found offensive if nothing else is offensive about this unclean situation. 600 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: The truth is that six innocent people are dead, right, 601 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: the shooter is dead as well, and the next school shooting, 602 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: statistically now is on the way. Now. None of us 603 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: are here, as you said, Noel, none of us are 604 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: here to soapbox or talk about our opinions. This is 605 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,879 Speaker 1: a show about facts and analysis, and the facts I think, 606 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: as you guys lead out, are readily apparent. And anytime 607 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 1: you know, this is like going to a funeral and 608 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: using it as a way to talk about yourself. That's 609 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: what some of these politicians are doing. And it's again, 610 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: it's disgusting, it's unclean, it is intellectually fraudulent. Yeah, I 611 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: couldn't have said it better. And that and that is 612 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: irrespective of where you may land politically, you know, or 613 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: or even just ethically even perhaps it's again I would 614 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: argue it's not an ethical quandary. But there are some 615 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: people that, because of their religions, have ethical issues that 616 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: they see as ethical issues with queer people and folks 617 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: who are who are trans, and that's a whole other conversation. 618 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 1: You can have that in your community, and I wish 619 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: you the best. I disagree obviously, but this is not 620 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: the place to have that conversation. It doesn't make sense. Man, 621 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: It's gross. So maybe it was so boxed a little, 622 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: but I think we did okay. It really is tragic, 623 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: and it's it's one of those things where, honestly, guys, 624 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,879 Speaker 1: this one and I think the past three that I've 625 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: seen headlines just on my phone, I'm doing the head 626 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: in the sand thing. And I know I don't need 627 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: to do that, guys, but I can feel myself doing it. 628 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: We both have kids, man, Like I literally was just 629 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: like today, you know, and my kid is just gender 630 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: non binary, and I literally today was like, do I 631 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: pull my kid out of school? Like I'm genuinely concerned 632 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 1: about my kids safety? Yeah, at school, And it's like 633 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: this is something that like you have to what like 634 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: be an ostrich about it to some degree or else. 635 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: It's like what can you do? You know, once you 636 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 1: pass that child off into the care of this school. 637 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: And you know, I mean again, we love teachers, We 638 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: love these people. You know, this is important work, and 639 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: the administrators are doing their best they can with with 640 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: as little budget as they get. But it's like, I 641 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: just don't feel safe sometimes having my kid go to school. 642 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: At least it's statistically massively unlikely, I know, but I 643 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: just can't help. But have it be in the back 644 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 1: of my mind, you know, doesn't make it any less. Scurry, No, 645 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't. And yeah, we picked this one to go 646 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,879 Speaker 1: last just because it is just it's a hard one. 647 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 1: It's a hard pill to swallow, and we want to 648 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: have the conversation, but you know, I figured we'd wait, 649 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: wait till they end to bring the bring the mood down, 650 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: justifiably down. But let us know what you're kids school 651 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,879 Speaker 1: situation is, Like, how do you feel about this? We're 652 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: not trying to fear mong or here either, y'all. We're 653 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: not trying to say live in fear. Nobody wants that, 654 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: and that is the last thing we would ever tell 655 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,720 Speaker 1: anybody to do on this show about any scary issue, 656 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: and we talk about plenty of them. But let us 657 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: know your thoughts around this kind of thing. You know, 658 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 1: how do you feel about using someone's identity to create 659 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: a political climate around this where do you think the 660 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: real issue is? Let us know. 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