1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Hello again everyone, and welcome to another official Colts podcast. 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: This is the Alumni version. And I am tickled because 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: you're going to talk to somebody who's in a lot 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: of minds and a lot of hearts of Colts fans 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: for a lot of years. And I'm talking about the 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: big fellow, Tarik. Glenn joins us Tea. I'm so glad 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: you've taken the time to say hi. It's been too long. 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: How are things today, man, things are great. When you 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: and Bill Brooks called the other day to ask me 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: to do this interview, I was really excited, not just 11 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: to be able to address Coats fans, but just to 12 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: talk to you all. Man. I mean, you guys are family. 13 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: Missed being around the complex and the studio and look 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: forward to this interview. Oh it was great, and we 15 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: had I had a chance to see you down at 16 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame inductions of Edrin James and Peyton 17 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: Manning if we had a chance to catch up there. 18 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: We'll get into those two and their induction and whatnot. 19 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: But but you, Charik, at the top of your game 20 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,639 Speaker 1: winning a Super Bowl with the Colts, and again at 21 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: the top your game a decade in and you walked 22 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: away from that. Does there's still that bug even to 23 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: this day, is there still that bug that says, boy, 24 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,919 Speaker 1: I miss something about the locker room, the grass, the field, 25 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: the fans, anything like that still you know, kind of 26 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: roll around in your mind. Well, I mean absolutely. I 27 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: mean I think you know, all of us who played, 28 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: you know, I think especially for the Colts during that time, man, 29 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: it was just a special time. Um, there was just um, 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: you know, we won a lot of games, we played 31 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: with a lot of special people, and I think we 32 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: just did something special in the city of Indianapolis, and so, um, 33 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: there's just a ton that I miss about that experience. 34 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: And during the time, you know, I think there was 35 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: so much success and um, so much going on. I 36 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: think you don't even really you take advantage or you 37 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: take a granted you know, of the moment. And I 38 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: think now that um, you know, so many years or moved, 39 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: I do miss that. I missed the locker room, I 40 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: missed the coaches, the players, just the whole environment and 41 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 1: so but yeah, those are special memories and never forget. Yeah, 42 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: but you walked off as a champion with your ring, 43 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: with the trophy, waving to the fans, say say, and 44 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: I'll see you later. I did my work and now 45 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm done. That's what I love about Utark Glennon And 46 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Bill Brooks get in here. But first, 47 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: I'd be remissed if I didn't mention the impact that 48 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: the great Howard mud had on you, who passed away 49 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: in the last year. And I know that was such 50 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: a tight knit group. You guys were one of the 51 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: best NFL offensive lines running through the decade of excellence. 52 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: What did Howard teach you on the field and what 53 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: did Howard teach you about life off the field? Tark? Yeah, 54 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: Howard is just a special individual to me. I think 55 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: for those of you who were in the Colts Complex 56 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: during the time that me and Howard worked together, you 57 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: could tell that there was just this love hate relationship, 58 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: you know. You know, but I think that people who 59 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: love each other, UM, they love hard, you know. And 60 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: we fought a lot, we argued a lot, but he 61 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: made me better. Um. He was the first individual who 62 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: believed in me. Um came to Oakland, California, flew out 63 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: to Oakland, California in nineteen ninety eight when they first 64 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: got hired, and he looked at me in my living 65 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: room and said they're gonna be our left tackle. We're 66 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: gonna draft paid Manny, and uh, you know, from for 67 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: years to come. You know, I'm trusting that you're going 68 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: to protect them. And so UM from that point forward, 69 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: you know, I think to have a coach that believes 70 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: in you and then um, then then along the way 71 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: does everything mentally physically to prepare you for the role 72 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: um and special and I think that UM, just to 73 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: see the kind of success that our offensive line had 74 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: during those years, you know, just kind of UM really 75 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: speaks for you know, just the quality of coach that 76 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: he was. Now. Tark, you talked about the bond in 77 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: the locker room, and I've always felt that the officive 78 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: line has one of the strongest bonds amongst the different 79 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: positions on the football team. What made you guys so 80 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: close in that locker room? Yeah, I mean I think 81 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: back when I came in in ninety seven and you 82 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: were there, Bill. The shift from you know, the era 83 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: before when I first got there to THEA Poleon era 84 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: really made our locker room really young, really quick, and um. 85 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: And so I was the veteran at year two, year three, 86 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: and and I just know when I first got to Indianapolis. 87 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: You know, no knock against any of the offensive Alignment 88 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: that were there before me, but it was just not 89 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: a welcoming environment, you know, just as a whole, the 90 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: team wasn't And and I just knew that me out 91 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: of Meadows, Jeff Saturday, you know, we just were like, man, 92 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: we want to be a tight knit group. And Howard 93 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: like really encouraged that, you know when he facilitated a 94 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: lot of those things earlier on, whether it was dinners 95 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: at his house. We all learned to play golf together, 96 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: we all learned to ride motorcycles together. You know, we 97 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: went to the opera together. I mean, we just did 98 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: crazy stuff. Yeah, I mean it was crazy, just like 99 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: the things that we did during that time, just to 100 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: create camaraderie and just to establish a culture of bond 101 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: in that office. ALIGNE room was intentional initially, and then 102 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: after years, like the first couple of years had him 103 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: doing that, he just kind of like kind of removed 104 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: himself and he just let Jeff and I just really 105 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: run with it. And so that really is how it 106 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: all started. And but at the same time, you know, 107 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: I really accredited Bill Polian for just really drafting quality dudes, man. 108 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: I mean every guy who went through that Officsiveligne room 109 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: were just great dudes and it was just fun to 110 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: work work with them, play with them, and they were 111 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: just good players. Now you talked, you brought the word quality. 112 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: Now we know of coach Dungee and how good of 113 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: a man he is, but tell us a little bit, 114 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: how was he as a coach? Playing for him as 115 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: an office lineman, for Tony Dungee as a coach. Now, Yeah, 116 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: Tony was a perfect fit to the kind of players 117 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: that Bill Polly and drafted. I mean we were just 118 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: unorthodox in the NFL when it comes to just the 119 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: just the blue collar mentality. I think that we had 120 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: as a team that weren't one of many primadonnas. You know, 121 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: even you know, some of our high profile players were 122 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: just pretty low key. You know. It really wasn't about 123 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: you know, the stardom or the you know, just being famous. 124 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: It was just really about working hard and trying to 125 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: win games and trying to win the championship. So when 126 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: Tony came, that really us well with you know, his 127 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: philosophy in terms of just like what it takes to 128 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: be a championship team. And I think that all of 129 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: us who played for him remember, like, you know, just 130 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: the really simple philosophies that he would ingrain and he's 131 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: just like, wait, we're gonna do it the Colts way, 132 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: the championship way, and if we follow these like simple steps, 133 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: it's going to lead to a championship. And I think 134 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: initially it was hard to believe that it could be 135 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: that simple, but because he's very vanilla and a lot 136 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: that with what he does in terms of just like, 137 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: you know, the type of defense that he ran to, 138 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: you know, the way he coached wasn't really a lot 139 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: of emotion and a lot of you know, drama. It 140 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: was very just really straightforward, even kill. But I think 141 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: what that did over time was just really instilled the 142 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: confidence that we as long as we just stuck to 143 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: our way throughout you know, a game or throughout a season, 144 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: that it would eventually to a championship. For sure. We're 145 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: talking to Tart Glenn, super Bowl champion, pro bowler, etc. Etc. 146 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: One thing I want to talk to you about, and 147 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: it's been a few years I've been waiting to ask 148 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: about this is and I was here and Bill was here, 149 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: and we saw this. The leadership in that locker room 150 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: started with eighteen. Obviously he uh, you know, Peyton would 151 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: walk and people would follow, but there was other leaders, 152 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: including yourself and Jeff Saturday and that now your relationship 153 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: with Peyton, here's what I like about it. We saw 154 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: that on a national level on a Monday night football 155 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: game against the Saint Louis Rams where there was a 156 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: little disagreement between the centerman and the quarterback about running 157 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: the football compared to pass and play calling. Well, if 158 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: you fast forward a little bit, number seventy eight, I 159 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: like to call him the judge. The judge comes in 160 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: and says, sit down, go sit down to the quarterback 161 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: that nobody talks to. You like that, your relationship with 162 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning. It was on air for everyone to see. 163 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: But that's what you have to do, and that's the 164 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: role that you played. Could you talk about that a 165 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: little bit? Well, I mean I think that you know, 166 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: you have to put it into context. For one, Like, 167 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, Peyton Manning got drafted in nineteen ninety eight, 168 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: and if I could remember correctly that that was filmed 169 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: in two thousand and one, and so you know, Peyton 170 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: was really establishing his role as a leader on the team. 171 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: In those beginning years, we were all young together and 172 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: so um, you know, obviously, you know, a ten year 173 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: veteran Peyton Manning was different than you know, a four 174 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: year veteran Peyton Manning. And so he was learning how 175 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: to lead. He was learning, you know, how to be 176 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: a superstar in the NFL, and you know, and really 177 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: coming into who he became as a Hall of Famer. 178 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: And so like on our team, we were just all learning, 179 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: just like man how to play together, how to win. 180 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: And I think when you're really competitive, there's always going 181 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: to be disagreements. I think you in today's age, you 182 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: probably see more of that happening just with social media. 183 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: And they happened to capture just that one disagreement between 184 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 1: he and I or him in the offensive line, but 185 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: there were a ton of those, you know, and I 186 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: think that if there's not that those type of heated conversations, 187 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: then you're not winning games. You know what I'm saying. 188 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, that's what it takes to win. 189 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: It takes, you know, just like confrontation, challenging each other, 190 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: getting in each other's face, holding each other accountable. And 191 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: I think that that's what he did, that's what we did, 192 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: and and I think he was lucky to really be 193 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: able to have players on the team that could really 194 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: you know, that didn't feel threatened to really hold him 195 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: accountable as well as we didn't feel threatened if he 196 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: held us accountable. And yeah, so that's how I really 197 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: viewed that, and we know that had I had a 198 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: chance to meet. I met your son more than a 199 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: few times, your family obviously, and a few times. But 200 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: it's been a few years. And then, like I said, 201 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: I saw you and your son down at the Hall 202 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: of Fame for Peyton and Edgering. When you're watching a 203 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: game these days with your son and your family whatever, 204 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: are you watching it differently or are you just a 205 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 1: fan right now? Yeah? So he and I are like 206 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: he and my boys in particular love the coach where 207 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: avid coach fans. But yeah, man, we just you know, 208 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: we're just watching it, you know, really as fans, because 209 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: I mean it's just like, you know, when you play 210 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: for a team, no matter where you're located, it's hard 211 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: to root against that, you know, and especially when you know, 212 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: you know, hiring Frank Wright is almost kind of like, 213 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, you know, kept it in the family, and 214 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: so you know, seeing guys like Frank right, you know 215 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: it was there when I was there, It just makes 216 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: me feel like, man, it's just an extension of what 217 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: we what we did, you know in the late nineties, 218 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: early two thousands. Talk now, you talked about leadership earlier, 219 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: you talked about how you know you're a leader, and 220 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: Jeff Saturday and of course Peyton was a leader. And 221 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: You've always been a leader in the community as well. 222 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: And I know early on your playing career you and 223 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: your wife maya found a Dream Alive. He tell us 224 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: more about Dream Alive and how it is affecting young 225 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: people in their development as they go along in life. No, absolutely, 226 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think one of the benefits 227 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: that I had, you know, and you know, and not 228 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: to put Bill Brooks on the spot, but you know, 229 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: just having you know, uh, cult greats like Bill and 230 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: others who just really showed a lot of us young 231 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: professionals how to be professional athletes, you know, how to 232 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: like maximize you know, the platform that we have as 233 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: professional athletes. And and so when I started in mind, 234 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: I started dream Alive. Um, you know, we we brought 235 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: you know really, you know, you know, folks like you 236 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: know Lacy Johnson, Bill Brooks and you know Damn Bogan 237 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: who was like you know, working NC double A just 238 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: really identified leaders in the community to really help us 239 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: live out a dream of just impacting inner city youth 240 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: through mentorn and and and the beginning of that, you know, 241 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: just really gave us a vision for what dream a 242 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: Lot continues to do. And that's just really you know, 243 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: really raising up future leaders in the community. And we're 244 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: doing it through teaching young people how to serve. So 245 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: a lot of our young people who come from the 246 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: inner city are really serving their communities through our organization. 247 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: But I think the second most important thing that we 248 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: do in our mentoring is really experiential learning, really taking 249 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: field trips, showing you know, our young people what it 250 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: looks like to be a professional in the community out 251 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, whether that's taking them to law firms, taking 252 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: them to government officials, the medical industries, different local businesses 253 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: that affect their communities. We've been doing that for years 254 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: and um and because of that, you know a lot 255 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: of our students have gone on to college, graduated and 256 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: are now productive citizens. You know, in the city of Indianapolis, 257 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: and that was the whole goal, is to show our 258 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: young people that there are tons of ways to really 259 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: be productive citizens outside of just being a professional athlete. Yeah, 260 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: and we've definitely seen that from you. Bill. I couldn't 261 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: agree more of the stuff that Dream Alive did even 262 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: now out under the West Coast, that you've brought, you know, 263 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: your initiative as well as here. I mean, that's why 264 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: this guy was one of the best in the community. 265 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: And we're talking to Tart glenn Um, the Great Tart 266 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: Glenn as we like to call him. And I can't 267 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: we're going to get into Edgering and Peyton and your 268 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: career together. But but Jim Ersey, the Colts owner, if 269 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: you could touch on some of the stuff that he's 270 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: meant to you and if you want to, if you 271 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: want to, you can talk about that that that meeting 272 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: that you had in mister Ersey's office after winning the 273 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: Super Bowl where he was possibly trying to convince you 274 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: not to retire. Yeah. Yeah, Well, I think the first 275 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: like meeting that just really stands out about my relationship 276 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: with Jim was when I first came to the Colts, 277 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: you know, because I always think you know about, you know, 278 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: the Colt's success and just remember that, like, man, my 279 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: rookie year was almost his rookie year as like an owner, 280 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: and and him bringing myself, Martial Fault and Peyton into 281 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: his office in year two and was just like, man, 282 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm building this organization around you guys. And again, like 283 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: very similar to Howard mud like you know, when someone 284 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: in authority like it trust you with something and says 285 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: like I'm counting on you, that gives you confidence that 286 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: you may not have even had. I don't really even 287 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: though as a first round of draft pick, I really 288 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: didn't think of myself, you know, as a pillar on 289 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: an NFL team. I mean I grew up watching like 290 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: Joe Martana, Ronnie Lotte, you know, like those guys were 291 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: like really out of the stratosphere than me, and I 292 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: would have never considered myself as such. And not that 293 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: I'm putting myself in their category, but just in terms 294 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: of just you know, being a leader of an NFL 295 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: team or being a pillar, you know, for the owner 296 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: to say something like that too, like a guy who's 297 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: coming into that second year was really humbling and so therefore, 298 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: but it's also a lot of responsibility too though you're 299 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: a young guy, you know exactly. And then but then 300 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: watching you know, him not just putting that responsibility on us, 301 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: but watching him also do his part, you know, and 302 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: and bringing in you know, like a GM that was quality, 303 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: a coach that was quality, you know, improving the facilities, 304 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: you know, just making sure that it wasn't just an 305 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: expectation without giving us the resources to live into that expectation. 306 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: And I think Jim Erse has humbly done that, you know, 307 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: through our you know, his tenure and you know, through 308 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: all the ups and the downs, you know, I think 309 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: he has really epitomized what it means to just really be, 310 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 1: you know, a quality owner in the NFL. And I 311 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: don't know many people who have gone through that building 312 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: who haven't loved playing for or working for him. And 313 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: so yeah, you know, I love Jim Ersey. I love 314 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: what he's done with the Indianapolis coach. I think that 315 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: he's been a strong pillar in the Indianapolis community. In 316 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: Indianapolis is lucky to have, Yeah, no talk to talk 317 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: about playing for a great owner, and Jim Ursay is 318 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: a great owner, great to play for, a great to 319 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: work for as well. Now you've also played with some 320 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: great players, Peyton Manning, Edrin, James Marshall, Falk tell us, 321 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: how is it playing with guys like that? How demanding 322 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: is it when you're out there and practicing on the 323 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: football field, playing with guys of that caliber. Yeah, I mean, 324 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: I think if you're a competitive and you want to 325 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: win and you want to be great, it means it's 326 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,239 Speaker 1: actually fun to play with them. I mean, you know, 327 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,959 Speaker 1: you know, playing with Edge and Peyton and you know, 328 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: like in Marvin and being a part of watching them 329 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: going to the Hall of Fame, you know, I think 330 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: as a player, I mean, it was just evident. It 331 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: was obvious. I mean, and especially like guys I you know, 332 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: later on in my career started to go to the 333 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl and just heard my peers, who were also 334 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: great at what they did on other respective teams, talk 335 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: about our my teammates in that way. It was very 336 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: evident that man, you know, you know, I'm around greatness, 337 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: I'm playing with greatness. But you know, it was it 338 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: was really fun playing with them because you know, it 339 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: just it made my job easier. I remember when I 340 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: was a rookie and it was my first time ever 341 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: playing offensive guard. I played guard year and um Marshall 342 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: would I remember like running out on screens and I 343 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: like really didn't know what I was doing, but I 344 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: would just fall into blocks and I and I and 345 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: and and and you know, in my mind, I'm thinking, man, 346 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: I'm balling. But then what I'm realizing is is that 347 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: this dude is just setting me up, you know, for success, 348 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: you know what I'm trying to say. And that's really 349 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: what playing with great specialty you know players, you know 350 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: it does. It's like, you know, it just makes everyone's 351 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: job easier because you know they're special, you know, and 352 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: they know how to make other people around them good. 353 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: And so I would say the same thing about Peyton. 354 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: It's like, man, what I love about him is that 355 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,239 Speaker 1: you know, you know where he's going to be at 356 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: all times, and so it's easy to block for somebody 357 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: like that. And um, you know Edge, you know, Edge 358 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: was always you know, working with the offensiveligned to you know, 359 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,239 Speaker 1: to really just make as great as a team. We 360 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: were always trying to find ways to get us into 361 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: the right play so we can get positive yards and 362 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: so um, so like just like you know, like playing 363 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: with guys who weren't just okay with just collecting the 364 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: paycheck on Mondays, but really wanted to be successful and 365 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: be great. Man. It was easy and it was fun 366 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: and and and what the funnest part about it was, 367 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: I'll never forget I want to mention the individual's name. 368 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: And we're playing against the Titans, and I just remember 369 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: like then getting to a point where they were just like, man, 370 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: can y'all police start scoring? Touch that? Like you know, 371 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: our coach is about to give us the business, you know, 372 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: And it's just like I was blocking on this play 373 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: and I was just like called, I was like, man, touchdown. 374 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: I mean like we were just at that place and 375 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: and it was just like a video game, man, And 376 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: it was just like, man, it was just really fun 377 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: to be a part of it. Well, now you talk 378 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: about the great players now, and you talk about it 379 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: was easy, But wasn't was it demanding as well? I mean, 380 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: playing with those great players, they expect a lot out 381 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: of each of the other teammates to carry their load. 382 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: Was it demanding playing with those individuals? I mean, I 383 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: don't even know, like if that was like, I wouldn't 384 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: even use that word because I just think that we 385 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: were just in this routine of like expectations, like the 386 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: expectation was a given, like man, we expected to be 387 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, we expected to dominate defenses, like we 388 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: expected to put up points. And so I think, you know, 389 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: one of the things that helped us with that really 390 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: you know, and our the credit gym more Tom Moore, 391 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: Howard Mud they were just like some very hard coaches 392 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: to play for, and in those early years they really 393 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: taught us work ethic and taught us about doing the 394 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: fundamentals the right way and and and to the point 395 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: to where by the time Tony got there, Tony was 396 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: a lot more laxed. He was about more about speed 397 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: and efficiency. But like the culture there when he got 398 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: there was already about doing these right doing things the 399 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: right way, you know. And Tom was still there and 400 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: Tyler was still there. So they kept that type of 401 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: like kind of fire brandstone way of doing things like 402 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: you know, you gonna get lift service if you don't 403 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: do it the right way. You know what I'm saying is, 404 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: and that was all Yeah, there was a standard, and 405 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: it being because we had those type of coaches who 406 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: infused that into our team culture. It took the pressure 407 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: off of about like Payton or Edge or March or 408 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: really even have to be that. And then I feel 409 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: like what it did was and I think this is 410 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: what led to us winning a Super Bowl. A part 411 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: of it at least was it really helped us find 412 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: our role on how did what did leadership look like 413 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: for a player? If our coaches were going to make 414 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: sure that they did that part, you know, And I 415 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: think that God was like we had to learn how 416 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: to push against the coaches at some point to say, Okay, 417 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: I know y'all want to do it this way, but 418 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: we you know, we think that this may be a 419 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,239 Speaker 1: better way to get things done. And so like I 420 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: think that there's always like Howard used to always say, 421 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna coach you hard, but at some 422 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: point you got to play better than I can coach you. 423 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: And like, you know, um, and I think that that 424 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: was like very wise coaching because it's like at some point, 425 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, you know, doing it by the book always 426 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: doesn't work. You know, you're going to have to be 427 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: able to make adjustments because it's not going to always 428 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: you know, present itself the way you anticipate it. And 429 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: so like how as a player, you're gonna make those 430 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 1: adjustments when necessary, and so you know, Peyton was really 431 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: good at that, you know, um, and I think our 432 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: Prepper ration, our team just embraced that, like you know, 433 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna watch film, We're gonna like prepare 434 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: very well. Maybe you know, some would call that demanding, 435 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: but I just think that that was just how we 436 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: were brought up. So I didn't even know any other way. 437 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: I didn't even know that to be demanding because Peyton 438 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: and I learned that together. You know, Jeff was a 439 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: part of the early years, so we learned that together. 440 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: So I don't even now I could see younger guys 441 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: coming in having a different experience because we already at 442 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: that point knew the offense very well. So going into 443 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 1: training camp wasn't demanding because we were just repeating what 444 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: we had been doing for years. But for those younger 445 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: guys that were learning something totally new, expected to be 446 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: in places and you know, do things a certain way, 447 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: it probably was demanding because for us it was, you know, 448 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: just to repeat, you know, but for them it was 449 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: something new. I'd like to go behind the curtain the 450 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: best we can. We're talking to Tart Glenn, And we've 451 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: talked to Jeff Saturday recently and especially around the passing 452 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: of Howard Mud and that story from Miami the Super Bowl, 453 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: the zone blocking compared to one on one against the 454 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: Chicago Bears defense, where Jeff Saturday went into Howard's office 455 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: and said, hey, we should do things differently right there. 456 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: Do you remember that being a couple of days before 457 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl kick off against the Bears ultimately won 458 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: by the Colts, But do you remember that day and saying, Hey, 459 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: somebody's got to talk to Howard. Absolutely. I mean, so 460 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: like I said, man, everybody just has a different role 461 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: on the team. So like I was always the guy 462 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: who would challenge the status quo. But if I challenged it, 463 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: like you know, officially, things wouldn't always get done. And 464 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: so I think one of the things one of the 465 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: ways in which we learned things with work is that 466 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: man like Jeff and I would always talk about, you know, 467 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: whether it was on our way to work or just 468 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: like you know, we were roommates. We would just talk 469 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: about like, man, Jeff, you need to talk to the 470 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: team about this, and you need to talk to Howard 471 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: about this, or he would come to me and say, man, 472 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about talking to the team about this. You know, 473 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: how does this sound so like he and I, you know, 474 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: we just really had I mean, he just is like 475 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: has a gift to being just outspoken in front of 476 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: the team leader in versus you know, for me, Like, 477 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't always have that same appeal. And 478 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: I just understood my role of just like behind the scenes, 479 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, I was just a part of the behind 480 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: the scenes leadership committee. And so I remember when that 481 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: when we were in Miami, I had an issue with 482 00:26:53,440 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: that blocking scheme because we actually was doing that same 483 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: blocking scheme against Pittsburgh the year before, and it just 484 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: fell apart, you know. Um And and I just that 485 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: was like I was very adamant about not doing it, 486 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, um, but I wasn't getting the response that 487 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: I needed to get from Howard. And so you know, 488 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: we all like talked to like together as the officive line, 489 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: and I really didn't care about how other people felt. 490 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: I was just like, Jeff, you need to talk to 491 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, Howard about this because this is not gonna 492 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: work man, you know. Um And and you know, just 493 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: as that guy, you know, he was able to like 494 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: really um, appeal to the coaches in that way, and 495 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: we were able to change things up and it was 496 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: for the better because you know, I think you know, uh, 497 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: you know, people game plan that's and they knew they 498 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: kind of we had some tendencies that they wanted to exploit. 499 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: And I think that us switching up just really attributed to, 500 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: you know, being able to win that game. And it 501 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: worked too, because I talked to Howard mud about six 502 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: months before he passed away, and we talked about that incident, 503 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: we talked about the Super Bowl, and he just said, 504 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: those guys made me a better coach. Those guys said 505 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: we can do this. We know our bodies, we know 506 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: which our physical you know, attributes are, and our smarts upstairs. 507 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: This is the way to go. And he said, after 508 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: all of them, I looked at all the guys and 509 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: I looked him all looking at me, and they're all there, 510 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: dead faced, you know, especially after Jeff's talked to him, 511 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: and he said, I got to do what these guys 512 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: want because they're the horses. They're carrying the water. And 513 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: sure enough, you made him look like, you know, a 514 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: Super Bowl winning assistant coach. So it's just always a 515 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: great story that it comes back to you guys coaching 516 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: Howard and Howard coaching you. Well, that's what I guess 517 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: I mentioned. You know, it's really like putting it back 518 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: on the coach. I mean, I mean that my kids 519 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: do that to me all the time, and like we 520 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: have this like wise quote. You know, you got to 521 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: be better than our coaching. But then you know, when 522 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: you know the people that you're coaching throws that back 523 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: into your face. You have to really trust you know, 524 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,959 Speaker 1: the process. You know, you have to trust that you 525 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: know they'll carry it out. And I think that that's 526 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: what I you know, really give him a lot of 527 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: credit for, is that you know, he was able to 528 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: trust us, you know, I mean, you know, we're his 529 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: eyes and ears. I mean, you know, he does a 530 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: lot of the game planning and a lot of the 531 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, the work prep that the lead up to 532 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: a game, but when we're out there and we're experiencing it, 533 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: he can only go off of what we're telling him, 534 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: and he's got to trust what we're telling them. And 535 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: I just think that we had finally got to that 536 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: point where there was that you know, balance between us 537 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: trusting what he was telling us. But at the same 538 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: time him like being able to make the adjustments based 539 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: off of what we were experiencing. For sure. Now that's 540 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: a great player, a dominant player. Uh, you know, the 541 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: list goes on and on, but Bill Tark is definitely 542 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: one of those guys that you say he's a better 543 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: guy off the field than he was on the field, 544 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: and he dominated on Sundays. He's always been one of 545 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: those intentions. I had a utmost respect for Tark for 546 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: what he stood for and what he did in community 547 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: and who he was as a man and as a 548 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: father and as a husband. Absolutely family man at heart. 549 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: And that's going to lead me to my final note 550 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: before we let you go. There's still a mystery out 551 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: there that I kind of want to get to the 552 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: bottom of. We used to go to training camp down 553 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: in Anderson or excuse me, out in Terra Hote and 554 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: my my suv was stolen one one training camp and 555 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: saran wrapped and put on the fifty yard line. And 556 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: my golf cart was stolen and put on a pond, 557 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: you know, a raft in the middle of the pond, 558 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: and and I kind of had a feeling who it was, 559 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: and it was always well, go ask eighteen and go 560 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: ask the offensive lineman, because that's where you'll find the answers. 561 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: But Tark, before closing, I know you weren't behind any 562 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: of that on your old buddy jeff Gorman and his 563 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: golf cart and his stolen suv, were you? You know? 564 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: The fifth plea fifth tar? This is this is a 565 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: saying that they say and in my neighborhood is that 566 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: you know snitch's gifts. But all I guess to say 567 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: is this what I can guarantee you is this Jeffrey 568 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: Gorman tar. Glenn goes to bed at ten thirty, and 569 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: it's always been that way for me, so I could 570 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: guarantee that I was not a part of I'm gonna 571 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: take that as a as a as a affirmly I 572 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: take that because yeah, I got hustled at around eleven 573 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: pm the night before for car keys and whatnot. But 574 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: it was the Maestro being the maestro, the conductor of 575 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: the orchestra A number eighteen, Peyton Manning doing it to me. 576 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: Atark had so much fun catching up with you. I 577 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: love the stories behind the scenes. We got so much 578 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: more to talk about. We're gonna welcome you Indian Indianapolis 579 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: hopefully in the near future to see a game and whatnot, 580 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: and waved to the fans again. And I just appreciate 581 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: you taking the time and walking down memory lane with us, 582 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: because coach fans, you knew how solid this man was 583 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: on and off the field, but you knew what you 584 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: got on Sundays out of number seventy eight, you know, 585 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: protecting the blindside of a Hall of Fame quarterback. And 586 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: that's the kind of man he is on and off 587 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: the field. I love talking to you and I hope 588 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: we can do it again soon. Tart Man, This is fun, guys. 589 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me all right, Thanks Tarik Glenn. This 590 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: is the Colts Official Podcast, the Alumni Edition Special thanks 591 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: to Tart Glen, Bill Brooks. I'm Jeffrey Gorman. We will 592 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: speak to you guys down the road.