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Speaker 1: February twenty twenty, and it is time for Morning Combat

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Speaker 1: and welcome everyone. My name is Luke Thomas, along with

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Speaker 1: my co host Brian Campbell. You might be like rubbing

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Speaker 1: your eyes because it may not look familiar. It's the

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Speaker 1: same Morning Combat energy, the same dynamic duo, the Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: It is a brand new set.

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Speaker 2: Some got hopes and dreams, we got ways and means.

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Speaker 2: Check out this new motif. Right you know, we're blowing

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Speaker 2: up like they probably thought we would. But you can

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Speaker 2: crawl the crib, same number, same bomb shelter, just some

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Speaker 2: added decorations here your side. Very peaceful, very.

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Speaker 1: Zeg which, by the way, I did not ask for.

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Speaker 1: They just put it that way. But I'm not. I

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Speaker 1: don't like it.

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Speaker 2: Some people on Twitter are saying, very massage parlors, very

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Speaker 1: There's yeah, you're I get mine is Orchids of Asia

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Speaker 1: where the owner of the Patriots gets handies and then

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Speaker 2: This is a moment though, maybe we can shoot to

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Speaker 2: it later, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, we will shoot to it. We will do that later.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna do shoeies because that's overplayed at this point.

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Speaker 1: Every time I see tied to Evaso on Instagram, he's

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Speaker 1: just routinely drinking beers out of his shoes. Now, it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to do that. That's not it.

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Speaker 1: So I think that is true. But any event, we're

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Speaker 1: It's free, it's free. Yeah. What we'll do is just what.

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Speaker 1: Here's your dong provider. Yeah, okay, with that in mind,

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Speaker 1: let's kick off the show if we can. First up

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Speaker 1: at UFC Rio, Rancho Yan Belohovitch defeats Cory Anderson via

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Speaker 1: TKO in the first round. So we are dealing with

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Speaker 1: a bit of an interesting scenario. This would kind of

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Speaker 1: make him the de facto number one contender, depending how

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Speaker 1: in this shadow where Dominic Reyes kind of has this

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Speaker 1: interesting relationship now with Jones, where he maybe should get

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Speaker 1: the immediate rematch. We don't really know. Brian Campbell, I

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Speaker 1: will start with you, sir, what should happen? Next. Has

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Speaker 1: Jan Belhovich done enough to get the next shot at

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Speaker 1: John Jones or do we run back UFC two forty seven.

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Speaker 2: It's tough, Luke. I think in some ways we're still

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Speaker 2: in the same argument I had last week, which is,

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Speaker 2: what is John Jones' future? Is it going to heavy?

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Speaker 2: And if that's the case, then you sort of take

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Speaker 2: Give him an interim title or a full title shot

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Speaker 2: for the vacant one against the Thiago Santos against a

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Speaker 2: Yan Blohoic, who, certainly, I don't know if I want

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Speaker 2: he's damn close, all right. He's won six of his

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Speaker 2: last seven. Yeah, there's that argument to say the three

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Speaker 2: most recent ones have come against maybe blown up middle weights.

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Speaker 2: I've heard that argument out there. But Rian Blohoits achieved

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Speaker 2: and did exactly what he should have done. Is he's

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Speaker 2: He did not show a better side of him. It

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Speaker 2: think it comes down to this, Luke dom Reus, John

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Speaker 2: Jones too, that's gonna do some business, that's gonna move

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Speaker 2: some product. Do you want to do that in International

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Speaker 2: Fight Week? Do you want to pair that with Jorge

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Speaker 2: and Come. That's a damn good sort of super Bowl

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Speaker 2: people believe, not everyone so many people believe won that fight.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if you've seen the subsequent sort

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Speaker 2: on Fight Pass where they have the guys micd up afterwards,

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Speaker 2: and when John Jones and dom Reis embraced, John said, Man,

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Speaker 2: this rematch is going to be He basically said, this

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Speaker 2: rematch is gonna be fire. I can't wait for it.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, here's the thing. If they gave Yanblhovitch a

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Speaker 1: really say, oh, this is a travesty, this is a

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Speaker 1: I don't think you could make that argument. So at

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Speaker 1: lost to Jiago Santo's back in twenty nineteen, which feels recent,

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Speaker 1: Yan Blokhovitch. He has clearly, clearly gotten so much better.

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Speaker 1: He is not the fighter he started out. Listen to

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Speaker 1: some of these old losses, Cory Anderson, Jimmy Manowa, Alexander

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Speaker 1: Gusta said, okay, from the Patrick Cummins he lots to.

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Speaker 1: He is such a different fighter now and it deserves

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Speaker 1: to recognize that. Being said, I just didn't like what

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Speaker 1: John and his team were doing where Look it's their

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Speaker 2: Here, John Jones, Jan Blohowitz for as dangerous as he is,

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Speaker 2: and it's a winnable fight. It's a very winnable fight.

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Speaker 2: I mean, John Jones could decision the crap out of that.

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Speaker 1: But just to act like last weekend didn't happen, it

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Speaker 1: dom Reys fight as a lot more difficult because you

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Speaker 1: can't argue that the Blokhovich fight, while new and not

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Speaker 2: I think there's a way to let everybody win. This

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Speaker 2: is the scenario. Okay, John has been very busy lately, right,

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Speaker 2: he thought four times and what like a six to

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Speaker 2: Then now he was just back. If he wants to

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Speaker 2: set up to that Jones res rematch later this year

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Speaker 2: in a prime spot where you're essentially saying, this is

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Speaker 2: John Jones's swansong at light heavyweight. He's either going to

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Speaker 2: dom Reus against somebody else for the vacant title, depending

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Speaker 2: on what would happen, or you might go out losing

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Speaker 2: the title and passing the torch and then moving on

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Speaker 2: to heavyweight. If you're gonna set up for a larger

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Speaker 2: get a chance to break the division titles record, I

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Speaker 2: believe he's one behind Whady Moss's record right now, that

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Speaker 2: kind of pleases everybody, But I would think Dom Reys

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Speaker 2: basically telling Dom you got next, We're gonna run this

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Speaker 2: one back. You got next.

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Speaker 1: Okay, again, I don't think that's the end of the

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Speaker 1: world if they did that. But the one thing that

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Speaker 1: is missing from John Jones' career is he's never had

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Speaker 1: to have an immediate rematch. Don Ray has arguably won

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Speaker 1: John Jones is really good about making infight adjustments and

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Speaker 1: then adjustments between fights, adjustments two different ways. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying if you do an immediate rematch you take away

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Speaker 1: that advantage because he still has all that information processed

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Speaker 1: does keep it on a more level playing field. To me.

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Speaker 1: The longer this goes the a the less people will

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Speaker 1: Care'll be like, well, does Dom really need it? If

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Speaker 1: the division because by the time May comes around, let's

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Speaker 1: say he beats Wlohovich. Okay, so it's two, three, four,

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Speaker 1: five months after that, the division begins to roll. What

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Speaker 1: if Anthony Smith goes in there and just no, I

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Speaker 1: I would be quiet Where Anthony Smith, let's say, beats

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Speaker 1: Glover to share it in April in Nebraska. Then folks

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Speaker 1: are going to say, well, what about Dom Rays versus

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Speaker 1: Anthony Smith. He can't hold on. Either he has next

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Speaker 2: Uh, you've got a hard on from here to Harrisburg

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Speaker 2: On Anthony Smith.

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Speaker 1: You want him next?

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Speaker 2: For John Jones, you want him back in there. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the guy lost five one sided rounds for the most part.

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Speaker 2: Where is this coming from?

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, But he also rebounded against Gustuson finished him.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it should be noted now he has

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Speaker 1: been on injury, but he has a Glover to share

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Speaker 1: a fight coming up. You beat Gustafson, you're beat to Shera.

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Speaker 1: You're a citty at the top of that division. Even

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Speaker 1: that wouldn't necessarily demand a title shot. But the point

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Speaker 1: being is what they're gonna say, but they're ultimately gonna

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Speaker 1: try and produce is a scenario to say, well, Wow,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Smith has rebounded, He's back at the top of

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Speaker 1: the division. He should fight Don Reyes, which by the way,

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Speaker 1: would be a great fight. I'm not even saying that,

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Speaker 1: but my point being is, if you're going to give

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Speaker 2: The ultimate heel.

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Speaker 1: This guy that's what I picked? Would you pick?

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Speaker 1: of his career and while rational for his money, and

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Speaker 1: I don't judge him for it, it is out of

430
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Speaker 1: character for him. And if it's out of character for him,

431
00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,120
Speaker 1: to me, that tells me that the greater context around him,

432
00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,720
Speaker 1: from the trainer to his dislocation in terms of his community,

433
00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,760
Speaker 1: to everything around him, they are not putting him in

434
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Speaker 1: a position to win, and they are not getting the

435
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Speaker 1: best out of himself. And you're not getting what makes

436
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Speaker 1: Diego Diego. I don't care that he quit. I care

437
00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,720
Speaker 1: that he is clearly not in a position to be

438
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Speaker 1: fighting up to him, not only with his potential, but

439
00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:50,159
Speaker 1: to do right.

440
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Speaker 2: I mean, let's be honest, right now. Okay, we love

441
00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,960
Speaker 2: Diego Sanchez at this point because he's a warrior, but

442
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,360
Speaker 2: because he's freaking weird when he does these pre fight

443
00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,639
Speaker 2: interviews at the media days and he's talking about you

444
00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,720
Speaker 2: know that, the moon and the sun and the stars,

445
00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,840
Speaker 2: and we laugh at it and because it's weird. But

446
00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,239
Speaker 2: then when you combine weirdness with oh my god, this

447
00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,600
Speaker 2: guy's taking an insane amount of punishment over the years.

448
00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,679
Speaker 2: That starts you start knocking it over on your thing.

449
00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,639
Speaker 2: That starts to really fuel the idea like, yeah, this

450
00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,159
Speaker 2: guy's not making smart decisions for himself. And this was

451
00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,520
Speaker 2: a sneaky decision to step out of this fight knowing

452
00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,640
Speaker 2: you would get the win. Why because he knows he's

453
00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,440
Speaker 2: had a point in his career where you package a

454
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Speaker 2: couple losses together, they're gonna start having these conversations about,

455
00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,600
Speaker 2: oh my god, this guy's taken so much punishment. Remember

456
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Speaker 2: when the battle cry was for him to retire after

457
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Speaker 2: UFC two hundred, when Joe Loson beat him in like

458
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Speaker 2: a minute and a half, and then he's sort of

459
00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,159
Speaker 2: been a survivor, alternating wins and losses since then. I

460
00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,680
Speaker 2: think this was just him saying, I lost a fight,

461
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Speaker 2: I got a chance to gain a cheap win to

462
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Speaker 2: extend my career and get more paydays. And I think

463
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Speaker 2: there's a larger problem here with the rules set, Luke.

464
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Speaker 2: We've talked about Anthony Smith. He could have been your

465
00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,879
Speaker 2: light heavyweight champion against John Jones by doing the exact

466
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Speaker 2: same thing when Jones said that illegal knee and you

467
00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,359
Speaker 2: know what, It would have been insanely cheap, and the

468
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Speaker 2: fact that Anthony Smith didn't do that shows me what

469
00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,399
Speaker 2: kind of man he is, to be really honest with

470
00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,480
Speaker 2: me with you didn't want to take an absolute cheap

471
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Speaker 2: victory to get a guaranteed rematch and get a footnote

472
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Speaker 2: in history that he was light heavyweight champion. He wanted

473
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Speaker 2: to do it the right way. The fact that fighters

474
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Speaker 2: have this chance to do that, Luke, it doesn't go

475
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Speaker 2: right by me. Why should that not have no contest?

476
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Speaker 2: Why should not that not have been either a no

477
00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,360
Speaker 2: contest or either let's go to the scorecards at that point,

478
00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,680
Speaker 2: because there's no way that Diego Sanchez was leading at

479
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,520
Speaker 2: that point. So we can have a whole side conversation

480
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,919
Speaker 2: about the circus clon Michelle Padata. Do I like obviously

481
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,560
Speaker 2: some of the fireworks that he does, Yes, But you

482
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,159
Speaker 2: know my take on him, it's like, if you're not

483
00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,920
Speaker 2: doing that in the in the avenue of winning and

484
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,800
Speaker 2: him coming out to all those booze while he's doing

485
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,840
Speaker 2: the dance routine and burning up all that energy, that's

486
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,239
Speaker 2: not him. Because it's now two fights in a row

487
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,200
Speaker 2: he should have won, and the first one he gassed

488
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,399
Speaker 2: himself out and got beat to an inferior fighter, and

489
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,840
Speaker 2: this time around in the fight he was dominating, he

490
00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,359
Speaker 2: sort of just mentally took him out of it with

491
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Speaker 2: a bad fall. But I don't think you should be able,

492
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Speaker 2: especially on the title level, to be able to backdoor

493
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Speaker 2: a cheap victory like that. If you cannot continue you

494
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,360
Speaker 2: got there's got to be some kind of like, look,

495
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:03,800
Speaker 2: there's no winner, it's a no contest.

496
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a fine conversation to have. I

497
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Speaker 1: don't take issue with it. Do you take issue though,

498
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Speaker 1: with do you think Diego has earned the right as

499
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Speaker 1: I do to Okay, if this happened again, well that

500
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Speaker 1: would be a problem. But for all he's given, for

501
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 1: all the damage he's taken, you know, can't we just

502
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Speaker 1: look the other way one time?

503
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Speaker 2: We can look the other way from the idea of

504
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,880
Speaker 2: going down hot Take City and going there they quit

505
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 2: the warrior quiit blah blah blah. Like I'm yeah, he

506
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 2: has enough in the bank to earn our respect, but

507
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,879
Speaker 2: it's still a broken system if you can win fights

508
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Speaker 2: like that. And I personally still think I'm not seeing

509
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,880
Speaker 2: a guy who can compete on this level anymore because

510
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 2: he got his ass kicked in that fight.

511
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Speaker 1: Also, I'm just gonna say this one more time. If

512
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Speaker 1: you're around Diego Sanchez and you have the ability to

513
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Speaker 1: influence him in any capacity, someone needs to have a

514
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 1: hard conversation with him when he This is not the

515
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 1: only time he's ever left Jackson's. You'll recall when Saint

516
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 1: Pierre came there the first time. He went and trained

517
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Speaker 1: with the Hibaedro brothers, Saloo and Shanji, and he had

518
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,199
Speaker 1: someone he had some losing in that time, but he

519
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,880
Speaker 1: was still learning jiu jitsu from two of the best

520
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,440
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu players ever. He had a he had real

521
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,479
Speaker 1: martial arts this around him. Dude, he doesn't even have

522
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,479
Speaker 1: any of that anything. I think he is an astrologist now.

523
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what if.

524
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Speaker 1: If that, if that. So the point being is you

525
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 1: can say, as I am going to say, I'll let

526
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Speaker 1: him slide on one. You got himulligan on this one. Fine,

527
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 1: But the greater context is, Dude, they're going to book

528
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 1: him in another fight and he's gonna be He's gonna listen,

529
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Speaker 1: He's going to be right back here again. We're gonna

530
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Speaker 1: be having a conversation, he would.

531
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Speaker 2: Can we learn from the bjpen thing? Can we can?

532
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 2: We can we learn as an organization from this just

533
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 2: letting a guy keep getting extra fights that mean nothing

534
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 2: to give him pay days. There's a way you fix that.

535
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 2: Better give him a lump sum of money and say

536
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Speaker 2: you've done a lot for us. You're an ambassador. Here's

537
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 2: a you know, here's a prize, you know what I mean?

538
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Speaker 1: Or or you want to you want to keep fighting

539
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 1: this organization, find a camp, find a real camp, or

540
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Speaker 1: we can't book fights with you.

541
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Speaker 2: How about no, Luke, how about we want to save

542
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 2: your health. How about you're not a high level contemdent,

543
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 2: so you're going to get hurt at this point, I'm

544
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Speaker 2: happy with that. Why else are we seeing him anymore? Right?

545
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 2: I got excited about this fight because it was weird

546
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 2: and there was potential that could be weirdness. The bad

547
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 2: potential came out and it was one sided and they

548
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 2: had a crappy ending.

549
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll move on now to the biggest

550
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Speaker 1: fight coming up this weekend, and it is a heavy wait. Doozy,

551
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: I cannot wait the rematch. It is finally here, Ladies

552
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury will lock horns

553
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: for the second time at the this time at the

554
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Speaker 1: MGM Grand Garden Arena. Brian Campbell, you will be there, Brian.

555
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: First of all, before I get to the question that

556
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: we have listed here, what would you see your level

557
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 1: of enthusiasm is because the press tour for this grant,

558
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Speaker 1: it's the second time. I mean, how many times can

559
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: you call a guy a dawser before you get a

560
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: little bit tired of it? But feels my enthusiasm for

561
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: it is high because of what it all could mean.

562
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 1: But in terms of I think I want to read

563
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Speaker 1: in the public, I do think it's gonna sell well

564
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: because this stuff just builds late. Doesn't have quite the

565
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Speaker 1: same feel as the first one. It doesn't.

566
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Speaker 2: And you asked me what am I excited about it? Yeah,

567
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 2: right now I am dialed in. I'm fricking fired up.

568
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 2: But it was a late, slow build. It's not a

569
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 2: bad thing though, because what Tyson Fury didn't do this

570
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 2: time around was be Tyson Fury be the crazy guy

571
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 2: in the build up, go Dawser like crazy. In fact,

572
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 2: there was no real acrimony between the two. There was

573
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 2: no heated face to faces that ended in a shove.

574
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,199
Speaker 2: There was barely a press tour, But you know what

575
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 2: it was about, Luke. All the storylines building up to

576
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 2: this was about real things that actually affect the fight.

577
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: Tyson Chip Fury, chaining trade, changing trainers at the last minute,

578
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 2: changing philosophy and strategy at the last minute, all that stuff.

579
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 2: So now, why am I excited about this fight? I'm

580
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,479
Speaker 2: excited because of the historical context and how important it

581
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: is the fact that the winners probably in control as

582
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 2: your sort of pound for pound best heavyweight in the moment,

583
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 2: and would have the lineal title. Depending on what you

584
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: feel about that, I'm personally a lineal guy. I think

585
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 2: that's the true currency in the sport. But I'm actually

586
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 2: more excited about it, not from the two personalities, from

587
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: what the fight will look like, which in theory, Luke,

588
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 2: especially for the hardcorese that's why you should be excited

589
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 2: about it. This doesn't have the type of commercial catnip

590
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 2: that we had the first time around, in terms of

591
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: like Tyson Fury's here in America, He's throwing it. You

592
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,959
Speaker 2: know he's here, He's gonna put it out there. Ah

593
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 2: Dass or all this, you know, mental health, come back,

594
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: all that great stuff that's to attract and pull in

595
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: the casuals. We may be lacking on that, but we

596
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: have a much more intriguing storyline about the actual fight

597
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: than we did the first time around, because you have

598
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: to remember the questions coming in about Tyson Fury after

599
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 2: that layoff, getting two soft comeback fights, and going in there.

600
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 2: Now we know who both guys are, Now we know

601
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: the success that each of them had in the first fight,

602
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 2: and now it's sort of like which style is going

603
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 2: to work better. I'm fired the heck up for the

604
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 2: right reasons in the end.

605
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: And I also I would argue before I pitched the

606
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Speaker 1: first question to you, I would just make a case

607
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: that given what we know about Deontay and his style,

608
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,239
Speaker 1: given what we know about Tyson and his style, we'll

609
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: see what kind of strategy he employs. Ultimately, it's actually

610
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: a time to reflect on the nature heavyweight boxing, the

611
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: state of the current division, this past, its future. It's

612
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: actually a pretty cool interesting this time we had.

613
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Speaker 2: A title rematch between unbeaten guys. I mean probably never

614
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 2: because it's so rare to have a draw in the

615
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 2: first fight and then come back to a high level rematch.

616
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,479
Speaker 2: But think of how rare this is. They're both at

617
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 2: the very top of their game. They both have a

618
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: legitimate title to bring into place Deontay WBC, the lineal

619
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Speaker 2: belt for Fury, the idea of control of this division potentially,

620
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 2: and what could happen if they can ever make a

621
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 2: Joshua payday, and the whole idea of are they going

622
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 2: to do it again? We know that there's a there's

623
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 2: language in the contract that would say the loser has

624
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 2: the right to activate a rematch clause at the sixty

625
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 2: to forty money split, so we could be seeing two

626
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: of these fights this year. Look, there is some legitimate

627
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 2: history here coming off of that horrifically bad heavyweight era

628
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 2: we had, like that Joshua Klischko fight that kind of

629
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: kicked it into gear through the Wilder Fury fight in

630
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 2: December twenty eighteen, and now we get to see it again.

631
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: This is going to be a hllacious fight because there's

632
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: so much at stake. Deonta can end it at any time,

633
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: and Tyson Fury just might be the heavyweight of this era.

634
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: This is crazy, all right.

635
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: So given those considerations, let's play a little bit of

636
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: a game here. We decided we were going to basically

637
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: flip a coin and say, make a case for either fighter.

638
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: You would like to make the case for Tyson Fury.

639
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 1: I'll play the opposite. I'll make the case for Deontay Wilder,

640
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: even though I kind of I'm not sure if he

641
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: actually can win, but I will. I will be his

642
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: lawyer in this court.

643
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Speaker 2: Kenny win. He can beat anybody with one punch in air.

644
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm trying to say in terms

645
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: of what I think is a probabilistic outcome, not whether

646
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: it is a possible one. So with that being said,

647
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: make the case for Tyson Fury. Why does he win

648
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: this rematch on Saturday.

649
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 2: Well, here's what's interesting about it. Here's where it gets juicy.

650
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 2: Here's where the biggest theme coming into this fight is

651
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: so sort of like, I don't know where to go

652
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: right now. Nobody changes trainers two months out from the

653
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: biggest fight of their career, right. Ben Davison, the twenty

654
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 2: five year old guy who was sort of like a

655
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: best friend buddy, instrumental and sort of helping Fury develop

656
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: that defensive style that kind of won him the first fight.

657
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: You know, how it depending on how you scored it,

658
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 2: and really emotionally, a guy who helped him sort of

659
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: overcome his demons come back from all that he did

660
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: in that miraculous story that he had. That guy's gone.

661
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: He's going out as Sugar Hills Steward, the nephew of

662
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: Emmanuel Stewart, the late Hall of Famer Kronk Jim with

663
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: the idea of I left something on the table in

664
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: the first fight, meaning he left it to the judge's hands.

665
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 2: He didn't know his full stamina ability at that point.

666
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: If he can go twelve rounds, if he could have

667
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: Wilder hurt and try to step in there and finish

668
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: him twice twice. Wow. So the idea that Fury had

669
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 2: every stop on this build has said I am going

670
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 2: for the knockout. I'm learning the Kronk way so I

671
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 2: can sit down on my punches is insanely intriguing. Luke

672
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: from the idea of that this is going to be

673
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 2: a more exciting fight. But is it crazy?

674
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: Though? Is the question just ask question? You believe him

675
00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: when he says that because I don't.

676
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: I didn't at first, but doubling down on it, tripling

677
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: down on me on a conference call just the other day,

678
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: really ask him about it, talking to his trainer and

679
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 2: asking him about it. Yes, I actually think. Do I

680
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: think he's gonna recklessly go out and try to brawl. No,

681
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 2: I do think there's an interesting avenue to have success.

682
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: You remember his last fight against Otto Valleen supposed to

683
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: be a walk through, right, Tyson Fury against the vicious

684
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 2: cut early in the fight, has to essentially go into

685
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 2: crazy man mode because that fight could be stopped at

686
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: any point and he loses his title because of the cut.

687
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 2: So what did he do. He used his six foot

688
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: nine size, leaned all over Valleen, brawled on the inside,

689
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: did a lot of shifting, but it was all power

690
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 2: punches all the way. He was trying to get a stoppage.

691
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: I think Tyson Fury remembered something when he went through

692
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: that that this is kind of more of the style

693
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: he employed early on in his career. And his dad,

694
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: Big John Fury, has been talking for years about Tyson

695
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: needs to be bigger, He needs to be two hundred

696
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: and seventy pounds. He needs to come in with that

697
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: wei very few fighters historically and the heavyweight division. Luke

698
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: can fight well on the inside. Remember when Riddick bow

699
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: was like this dream the six foot five guy with

700
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 2: quick hands who could do it on the inside. Deontay

701
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 2: Wilder is still this raw guy who needs to set

702
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: up his right hand and use the jab to do it.

703
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: What a furious thinking. I'm the bigger guy, I way

704
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: more I'm the more skilled guy. Where the first fight

705
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: he did his best to avoid the big right hand.

706
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 2: What if now he tries to smother it and get inside.

707
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 2: You're thinking, Wow, this is a crazy strategy. You know

708
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: it's a crazy strategy trying to go twelve full rounds

709
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: against the onto Wilder at any point. Look, he almost

710
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: got his head knocked off in the twelfth round after

711
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: basically pitching a perfect game to get there. Maybe it's

712
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 2: not so crazy to hear Tyson Fury's reasoning and say,

713
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: the judges took this fight away from me for the

714
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: first time around. I can't get a decision in the States.

715
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 2: I know what I'm up against. I'm going to put

716
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: it into my hands and try to win it. I

717
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: know the knee jerk reaction is, well, you're not a

718
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: power puncher. It's proven it. You don't have that. But

719
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: if you go back and watch that first fight. I

720
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: know both fighters dispute this, it looked like Wilder was

721
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: her on two occasions. It's the first round and also

722
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: in the twelfth round, and Furious saying I didn't believe

723
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: in my stamina enough to try to finish him. Here's

724
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: what you have to ask yourself. Is Fury the best

725
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: fighter of this heavyweight group? Is he everything he says

726
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: he is just a con man? Or is he everything

727
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: he says he is?

728
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: So?

729
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: What is? He? Is? A fighting man? Right in his

730
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: lineage that goes back to bare knuckle champions for generations. Luke,

731
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: there's a magic inside of him that we rarely see

732
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: in sports. Right. We talk about that a lot with

733
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: Conor McGregor, where he was just calling his shot in

734
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: winning fights. We certainly had that with Muhammad Ali, who

735
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: built up this sort of idealism in the seventies that

736
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: he could win a fight no matter what because of

737
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: these sort of heroes type of moments Rope It Doope

738
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: against George Foreman in Zaire. For Tyson Fury to pull

739
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: this off in this rematch against Wilder and do what

740
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: he says, which is going there and fight and actually

741
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: stop him, would be a modern day rumble in the jungle,

742
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: and as crazy as it sounds, if anyone can do it,

743
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: it's actually him, Luke. It's actually a six foot nine

744
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: guy with a rare speed, length, better boxing ability than

745
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: his opponent, and what we've seen from him outside the

746
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: ring and inside the ring, an ability to bite down

747
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: and get the job done and find a way to

748
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: win that's really incomparable in this era. Yes, Deontay Wilder

749
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: could finish him at any point in any fight. If

750
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: they fought ten times, you may finish nine of them

751
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: by knockout. But I actually believe Tyson Fury is going

752
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: to carry out this game plan and with this type

753
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: of trainer, with the Kronk style, and seeing what he

754
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 2: could be as a fighter on the inside use his weight.

755
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: It may be a boring fight because of that, it

756
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: may be a yuckfest because of that, but I think

757
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: he can win this fight, and I actually think he

758
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: could stop him.

759
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: So that was a moderately compelling case for a boxer

760
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 1: who deserved better than what you offered him. Just now

761
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm teasing. I actually think that the Okay, here's what

762
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: we know to be sure. Clearly, Tyson Fury is the

763
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: better boxer, right, Who's gonna be the better fighter in

764
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: the end, which is more than just boxing ability.

765
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: That's what we're gonna find out in this fight.

766
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly correct. But we both agree that the better

767
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: boxer by far is Tyson Fury. So Tyson Fury is

768
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: going to outbox him until he the fight either expires

769
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: or I don't think he was gonna stop Dedontay. They

770
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: can tell me what you want, but I just don't

771
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: believe that. Or Deontay knocks him out. It really the

772
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: only one of two possibilities. I thought he won the

773
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: first time, but okay, he didn't. Here we are what

774
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: is the best case for Deontay Wilder, Well, it's almost

775
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: worst case. It's almost his reality, which is to say,

776
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: we have a debate about who are the best power

777
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: punchers of all time. George Foreman has even said Deontay

778
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: Wilder is certainly on the top of that listward or

779
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: right near it, and I would agree. But he's not

780
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: an Ernie Shaver's. He doesn't have power in all circumstances, right,

781
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't have He has some power with that left hook,

782
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: but it's usually after the right, straight right. It's usually

783
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: in combination like the one he dropped Tyson very with

784
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: in the twelfth round. But by itself, the left hook,

785
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: it's powerful, but it's not game changing. Even then, does

786
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: does Deontay Wilder have a good upper cut? Not really?

787
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: I mean a little bit.

788
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: He doesn't have what Lennox Lewis had to be able

789
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: to take guys out.

790
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So, where is Deontay Wilder's power typically come from.

791
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: It's a right straight. It's a right straight. He doesn't

792
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: have power in all those circumstances. Now in that right

793
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: straight category, you're talking about an all time puncher. An

794
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: all time puncher.

795
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: Doesn't need a full extension, doesn't need a set up.

796
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: Nothing out of that. I mean again, no lack of

797
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: full He didn't have full extension in the second Ortiz fight.

798
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: Look what happened there? He had him doing you know,

799
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: he had him, He had him well. I didn't want

800
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: to get into it. But the point being is that,

801
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: so what could be the case from that I'm saying

802
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: all these negative things about him? The reality is he

803
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: cannot out box Tyson Fury and I do think I

804
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: agree a little bit that one strategy you could implement,

805
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: which I think is just a version of weighted the

806
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: first time slightly amended is and we'll get to it

807
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: on Dissected this week. Is occupying that right side because

808
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: to the extent that the right side has to get

809
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: defensive or or he can't simply use it because it's

810
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: being smothered or teased even from the south Paul position

811
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: kind of smothered the angle. Yeah, that works. That actually

812
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: is absolutely effective. Hanging on him I'm less convinced about,

813
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: but okay, but it also is an opportunity for Deontay Wilder.

814
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: Deontay Wilder, I argue, much like Dominic Gray is against

815
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 1: John Jones. Dominic Gray is what do we say about him?

816
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: He's not that good at setting traps offensively, he's good

817
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: at creating them. Backing up. Deontay Wilder has knocked out

818
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: so many guys not backing into the ropes, the kind

819
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: of angling backwards and then waiting, waiting and then popping them.

820
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: So to me, if he's playing the matador against this

821
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: bull against Tyson Fury, not to say Teston Furiy' is

822
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: not the better boxer, because he is. That didn't say

823
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: Teston fiy won't win that way. But to me, that

824
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: raises the chances of one Deontay Wilder. Secondly, what I

825
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: would say is if he does have to be the

826
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: bull and not the matador, we're not talking about having

827
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: to set a ton of traps. Brian Campbell, for example,

828
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: what is one of the punches he's really good at.

829
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: He's good at left hooks to the body, He's good

830
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: at jabs to the body. In fact, some of the

831
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: punches that he ends up landing on Luis Ortiz in

832
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: the second fight, you could see Ortiz go to down

833
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: Perry and then the punch comes and drills him right

834
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: in the face. So it's about all he has to

835
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: do is a little bit more than he did the

836
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: first time. If you go back and you look at

837
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: Deontay Wilder in the first fight, Dude, he didn't do

838
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: a good job. He had hardly any feints. He had

839
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: hardly any shot diversification. It was a lot of from

840
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: far distance, throw a jab and then a cross over

841
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: the top. Will you mean to tell him if you

842
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: can add just a couple of feints and you can

843
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: use that to back Fury up against the ropes, and

844
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: then from there you could begin to unload on him

845
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: a little bit and you can go to the jab

846
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: to the body. All I'm saying is you don't have

847
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: to be somebody or not. Give me a little bit

848
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: of offensive trickery, a few feints, some shots to the body,

849
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: some left hooks to the body, and then eventually your

850
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: right is so powerful. This is why he finds the

851
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: shot later and fights.

852
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: His power never fades.

853
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: It never fades, and he's not that good at setting traps,

854
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: so he has to wait until they get comfortable. We

855
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: saw Teas in the seventh round, got comfortable. You even

856
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: saw Well.

857
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: And you gotta give Well the credit. His stamina compared

858
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 2: to this heavyweight area.

859
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: Very good, says very good. I mean to carry power

860
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: the way he did in the twelfth round is you

861
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: haven't seen that in a long time. So my point

862
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: about this is in terms of finding h Fury. Dude,

863
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: what he says, Fury has to be perfect for twelve rounds.

864
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: He's right, dude. People can say whatever they want. He

865
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: is right. You mean to tell me there's not going

866
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: to be a time where he gets the stance of

867
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: Fury to be squared, to lean against the ropes, to

868
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: turn the wrong way, especially if he's looking for the knockout. Dude.

869
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: That's a terrible strategy, is the thing. Though.

870
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: What's the alternative for Tyson Fury? Go out and try

871
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: to out box him again, and try to he box

872
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: on the first time, right, Try to walk that slippery

873
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: slope and hope and hope again that the judges reward

874
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: you for what you did. Either way is a sort

875
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: of suicide mission. Either way, you're gonna have to go

876
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 2: up close to the fire and get burned. Because Deontay Wilder,

877
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: whatever you think about him, is a special heavyweight in

878
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: this era, who, like we talk about, canend to fight

879
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 2: at any time. But there's really only one man, I

880
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 2: believe who can snuff that. You have to have size,

881
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: you have to have speed, you have to have technique,

882
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: and you have to have the crazy. The crazy like

883
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 2: a fox. Fury is going to be willing to walk

884
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: that tightrope luke like no one else and have the

885
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 2: attributes to potentially pull this off. Is it likely gets

886
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: a knockout? No. We've also never really seen Deontay Wilder

887
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 2: have to fight backing up for a long sustained period.

888
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: He usually has such a threat where even when he

889
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: touches you partially guys sort of change their ways rightfully.

890
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: So you go look at the first fight, where did

891
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: where did where did Tyson Fury have the most success

892
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: in the first fight.

893
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: He circled away, he took away the job.

894
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: Where did he have the most success in the first

895
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: fight towards the center? Even against the rope there were

896
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: times when people Deontay is not good at setting traps.

897
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: You know what, he is pretty good at when he

898
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: wants to be. He can kind of cut off the

899
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: ring very quickly. There are times, remember Luis Orties. Luis

900
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: Ortiz was the one who was pushing into him Deontay

901
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: on the ropes in the back, but a d'ontey doo

902
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: just circled right around and then shut his lights off.

903
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: It happened, then shut his lights off a couple of times.

904
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: That happened to Fury the first time as well. Fury

905
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: needs to keep that in the center. Now you can

906
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: smother there, that's possible. I think another thing is is

907
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, getting low and then driving into him and

908
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: then closing the gap now brings into questions about that cut.

909
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: That's another X factor we just sort of consider. But

910
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm just pointing out to me it's like Deontay Wilder

911
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: has to do what he did the first time, only

912
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: polished for Tyson Fury to do the Tiger Woods bit

913
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: where you're just gonna reinvent your swing. You're not gonna

914
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: win your first tournament reinventing your swing.

915
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: It's a fair point. Look, look the smart money here.

916
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: If you're a betting man, the smart money is Deontay

917
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: Wilder all across the board. Even though Fury is a

918
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: slight favorite in most books, I.

919
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: Actually favorite Fury to win. I'm just making the case

920
00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: for don't.

921
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: And you know, after that first press conference, I thought

922
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: a Wilder knockout was undoubtedly this case because he's so

923
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: dialed in. He did not allow Fury to get in

924
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: his head in this build like he did the first

925
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: time around. I don't think he's gonna have the same

926
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 2: problem that Wilder admittedly had in that first fight, where

927
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: the moment got too big for him. He really wasn't himself,

928
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: he wasn't relaxed. But here's the thing, though, Luke, when

929
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 2: have you ever seen Deontay Wilder an extended brawl? Never? Okay,

930
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: when he gets most wild is when he has an

931
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: opponent hurt. Maybe in Fury's mind, I've got the better technique.

932
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: I know I have the balls to try this. What

933
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 2: if I can get him into chaos? Typically Deontay Wilder

934
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: dominates in chaos because he's got the helicopter craziness and

935
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: he just catches you. What if Fury, who we know

936
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: is comfortable and chaos in all forms, is thinking if

937
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: I could keep him off till rather than just having

938
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: him wait back and let me out box him and

939
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: just wait for his moment with the right hand, what

940
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 2: if I can get him into craziness. Can I catch

941
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: his wild technique and catch him on the chin at

942
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: the wrong angle round. I'm saying that the entertainment potential

943
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: in this fight is double from the first time around.

944
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: It's not just you know, strikeout pitcher against home run hitter.

945
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a little bit more crazier.

946
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: And if anyone can do this impossible task, Luke, it

947
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: actually is Tyson Fury. I do think he's special. I

948
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: do think he is the heavyweight of this era. He

949
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: very well in me get knocked out on Saturday night

950
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: and that may change the course or produce the need

951
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: for a third fight. But as crazy as this is,

952
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: I think you can do it.

953
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: I don't think Berman Steverne is Tyson Fury, and I

954
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: don't think that the Lolis Hortiz is Tyson Fury. But

955
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: those are the two rematches that deontaey Wilder had knowing

956
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: did he win him? He won him much quicker the

957
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: second time around. Just want to point that out last.

958
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: I'll just go to you on this one. I won't

959
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: even answer. There's no big sports on Saturday night. There's

960
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: there's no big UFC. There's some Auckland, we'll get to

961
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: that in a second. But there's no pay per view.

962
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: There's no college sports of any significance. There might be

963
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: some basketball, but basketball sucks for college There's no I

964
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: It might be some NBA, there's no real big thing

965
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: on the sporting calendar. Plus you've got ESPN and Fox

966
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: coming together in the paper view. Give me sense of

967
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: what you think. To me, it's like a perfect time

968
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: to see, Wow, how big can a boxing pay per

969
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: view be in twenty twenty?

970
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: You know I did, we did mention. It doesn't have

971
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: the viral moments on the build right, the big near brawl,

972
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: the press conference or something that just sticks to you.

973
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: But they have had the advertisement of that first fight,

974
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: and you know, showing that, showing the highlights of Tyson

975
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 2: Fury getting dropped the twelfth round and getting back up

976
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: sells itself. I always thought the ceiling could have been

977
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: one point five million pay per view buys under how

978
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: we used to track them, right, I think we're looking

979
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 2: at at least a million, no question. You have to

980
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 2: consider it did what three hundred thousand the first time around,

981
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: which was different scenario, different circumstances.

982
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury's breakout.

983
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: I mean, he's been in WWE, he's been in breakout

984
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 2: in these two machines pushing them. I think it could

985
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: it could do one point three one point four, and

986
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: that would be a huge victory for all of them

987
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, you do have

988
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: two heavyweights who can talk, who have very distinctive fun styles,

989
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: and you have that ability to sell the rematch off

990
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 2: of those highlights. We haven't had the sort of circus

991
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: WWE stuff that we thought, But I think it's going

992
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: to be a late build because you have to see

993
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: what happens, you have to have you wait to start.

994
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: You know, they're they matter right now and this fight

995
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: is so pivotal to what happens next.

996
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: So I'll go back to you on this one. On

997
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: DA Zone over the weekend, Ryan Garcia, the Instagram star,

998
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: had a great first round knockout over Francisco fon Seca

999
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: a check right hook. I believe if memory serves blitzing

1000
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: him and putting him on the canvas Brian Campbell, is

1001
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: he Ryan Garcia, the heart throb of boxing's Instagram? Is

1002
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: he now actually ready for a real challenge? One thirty five.

1003
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: I went back, U look at his record. He's what

1004
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: twenty and oh twenty one and oh something like that.

1005
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: Only four of his opponents, including Francisco fon Seca, have

1006
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: a Wikipedia entry. Only four? Okay, but but and also

1007
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: by the way, he was a minus three thousand to win. Yes, okay,

1008
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: so he was playing against overmatched opposition. But he looked good.

1009
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: He's got all the makings of a star.

1010
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: And it seems like, first of all, you gotta check

1011
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: out this.

1012
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: It seems like a step up as dude, what do

1013
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: you think?

1014
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: He made a massive statement about who he is and

1015
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: who he potentially could be in this fight. That check

1016
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: hook knockout with the left hand was sick. It's so

1017
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 2: fast you almost with the left. You almost slowed the

1018
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: footage down to properly see it now. Look, is Francisco

1019
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: fund Seca a world beater? No, but he only had

1020
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: two losses coming in. They were at the title level

1021
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: against Tevin Farmer and Gervonte Davis. I know he was

1022
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: moving up to lightweight, but to blow him away in

1023
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: one round, less than one round like that, he just

1024
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: made the leap from my perspective, from a guy who

1025
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: was potentially more sizzle than steak. Right, the good looking

1026
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: twenty one year old four point eight million girls on

1027
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: Instagram can't be wrong following him. You know he's you know,

1028
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 2: he used to be all over Twitter, taking California high

1029
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 2: school girls to their prom and all that. I think

1030
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: he now looks like a legitimate threat against any elite

1031
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: when you consider how freaking red hot lightweight is right now.

1032
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: The fact that Devin Haney, the WBC title holder, came

1033
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: in the ring afterwards and they went nose to nose

1034
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: Hani at his own fighter. They have a lot of

1035
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: history that people don't know about in the amateurs, right.

1036
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: I think they fought six times. I think they split

1037
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 2: the fights. Ryan Garcia has had huge success against Haiti

1038
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: as an amateur, I would have thought Luke, and I've

1039
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: said this before, Ryan gar his fun. He's got some talent,

1040
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: but there were too many holes that I saw. Potentially.

1041
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: I always said, when he finally moved up to the

1042
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: highest level, you'd almost be selling him. He'd be an underdog, right,

1043
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 2: You'd be selling off his name and everything you built.

1044
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: Now I'm wondering with that kind of punching ability, if

1045
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: he could beat these league guys, And everything changed when

1046
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 2: he joined forces with kenelo el versus team with Eddie

1047
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: Renoso and his dad, Cepo Renoso. They've sort of ironed

1048
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: out the defensive deficiencies that he's had. They've made him

1049
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: a safer fighter, but still have taken his explosiveness, his speed,

1050
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: his combinations and made them much more offensive. So now

1051
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 2: you say this. Oscar de l Hooy has been calling

1052
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: out Floyd Mayweather and Gervonte Davis for a while. Just

1053
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: recently went on LA Radio and said, Floyd, let's do

1054
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: our rematch that we've been talking about for years. But

1055
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: instead of us, you put Tank on the table. I

1056
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: put Ryan Garcia on the table. Tank has responded on

1057
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: social media with like make me rich, So let's do this.

1058
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: That is obviously hard to make with the networks in

1059
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: play and the streaming and all that. But if they

1060
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 2: can make that, I'm not saying I'd favor Ryan Garcia

1061
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: to day absolute any of these guys, but he has

1062
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: legitimate skills and real fast hands. You're never gonna know

1063
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: about his chin until he's really in the deep water

1064
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: against somebody like Travonte Good God who is who is

1065
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: the Mike Tyson of the smaller weight classes. But he's

1066
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: showing you ability now to box as well. The kids

1067
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: got it. The kids got it, Luke, and I wouldn't

1068
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: have said that. I would have said more pretty boy

1069
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: than anything else.

1070
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: That's right.

1071
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 2: And now it's suddenly like there's players.

1072
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: At this right, So here's what I would say. We

1073
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: have to move along.

1074
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: But I mean, but by the way he's gonna get

1075
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: he might get Joorne Lenaris next, who had a knockout

1076
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: on the undercar.

1077
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: And down of a Soilama Chicko, and that.

1078
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 2: Is a great matchup for this point. We will learn

1079
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: everything we need to know against about Ryan garciaf he

1080
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: fights Hene Lars Spring.

1081
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: I mean, here's what I would say. We did not

1082
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: learn what his upper bound limit was in this fight.

1083
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: But you know what we did learn. We did learn

1084
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: that the idea that he is all sizzle no steak

1085
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: is clearly not true. We learned that he is clearly

1086
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: deserving of a big opportunity. We've learned that the idea

1087
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: that he is just some kind of promoter U manufacturing

1088
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: nothing is just not true. He's a real fight who

1089
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: deserves a real test. But how far he can go

1090
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: I think that part, to me is not exactly clear.

1091
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: So I'll have to see how that goes.

1092
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: And they are going to match him fast. I mean,

1093
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: obviously you step up to the Lenari's level. There's already

1094
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: people going no, that's soon, that's too soon.

1095
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: Now exactly this why I don't want to see the

1096
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: well the farmer farmer just lost, but I mean the

1097
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: tank fight, if they can end up making it would

1098
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: be great. But it's like that seems also like a big,

1099
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: too much of a step. Whereas Lenarrez, while it's a

1100
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: point of no return, to an extent, it's like after

1101
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: McGregor beat sever it was like, dude, after this, you're

1102
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: not going to get any easy fights after this. It

1103
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: feels kind of like that, But at the same time,

1104
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: it's also the appropriate next step probably all right, we'll

1105
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: have to see. With that being said, there is UFC

1106
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: coming this weekend as well. UFC Auckland Brian Campbell is

1107
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: going to be next and your main event. Cannot wait

1108
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: to see this one. A fantastic lightweight affair between Dan Hooker,

1109
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: your native son over there in New Zealand, and then

1110
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: of course America's own slash, Ireland z own slash something

1111
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: in between the Irish dragon Paul Felder. So that should

1112
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: be a hell of a fight. Now, the question is, Brian,

1113
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: what does a win do for the eventual victor here?

1114
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: Because yes, you get Dan Hooker on your scalp, you

1115
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 1: get Paul Felder on your collection of scalps. I should say, wow,

1116
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: you're doing something great. But like you know, in the end,

1117
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: what is exactly mean? And I'll tell you exactly what

1118
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: it means. You look at some of the wins that

1119
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: for for example, Hooker has last seven six of last seven.

1120
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: They lost to Edson Barboza and that was a bad loss.

1121
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: That was a baptism in a way to find out

1122
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: what he's really made of.

1123
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough, he was over matched to that one.

1124
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: But he has beaten James Vick, he has beaten al

1125
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: Aya Quinto. I tink very seriously as a challenger. You

1126
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: look at Paul Felder, He's got some great wins too.

1127
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: I mean he just beat Barbosa, who beat.

1128
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: Which controversially but fairpoint. And then also you know stopping

1129
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 1: Olavera the way he did with strikes and from his guard.

1130
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: Both of these guys are just nasty savages. We all

1131
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: know that. But here's what I say that to me.

1132
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: You had two guys who hadn't quite figured themselves out.

1133
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about Jared cannoneer. How can you

1134
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: be that senior in your career and not know that

1135
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: middleweight was the best weight class for you. Some of

1136
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: these guys just can't figure this stuff out. You had

1137
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: Dan Hooker going down to one forty five and just

1138
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: not being himself. You saw Paul Felder going and trying

1139
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: one to seventy against Mike Perry, just not a good Again,

1140
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: these guys can be competitive to an extent down there,

1141
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: but they're so far from their best it made no sense. Well,

1142
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: now they realized one fifty five is where they need

1143
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: to be, and they've had some hiccups there too, but

1144
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: they've had enough good wins, enough maturation, enough devastation in

1145
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: their games, where whoever wins this, to me, it's another

1146
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: point of no return. Well, now you get to play.

1147
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: Oh, now you're now you're in the deep end.

1148
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: Now you're in the I'm not saying you're as good

1149
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: as these guys, but after this comes the Fergusons, the Habib's,

1150
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: the McGregor's, the the the daz Is. To an extent,

1151
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: we'll see other Go get your champion, Lee, Kevin Lee's,

1152
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: the Poirias. That's the kind of level you're playing at now.

1153
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: Now you are playing with the deepest end of maybe

1154
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: MMA's deepest division.

1155
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 2: In any other division. This you win this fight, you're

1156
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 2: getting a title shot. Because of their resumes, right, six

1157
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 2: of seven for Hook or five of six for Fella,

1158
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: they're coming in. All of their recent wins are hugely

1159
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: respectable top ten guys. But there's such a long jam.

1160
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 2: This is a log jam of talent. Connor McGregor continues

1161
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: to loom heavy over this. Probably going to get to

1162
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 2: get the winner of Habib Tonys as in a white

1163
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: would want it, You're gonna need another win after this

1164
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: to really enter that title conversation. I mean, you get

1165
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: invited to the party with a win on Saturday night,

1166
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: and it's gonna probably be hilatious to get there whoever

1167
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: wins that, knowing the history of both of them, but

1168
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 2: you're probably still gonna need to win against a victorious

1169
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: Kevin Lee a second time again to really enter that.

1170
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: But this is this is the best division in.

1171
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: The sport question. Either Den Hooker or Paul Felder is

1172
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: either the other fighter's best win if you depending who wins.

1173
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 2: No, I think I value Iaquinta's win really a little

1174
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: the win over Iaquinta at that point.

1175
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: A little bit better over Paul Felder.

1176
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean it's it's close.

1177
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: Yes, But styles make fights, so I still think that

1178
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: four Hooker Felders a tougher fight.

1179
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 2: It's still for Paul Felder. He's won five of his

1180
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: last six. Yet I'm still looking at him as almost

1181
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 2: a more elite level gatekeeper, and he's proving me wrong

1182
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: each and every time. Right he wins here that conversations

1183
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: that we're never having it again, Luke, But until right now,

1184
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: I still see him as a very elite challenge for

1185
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: Dan Hooker. But one, Dan Hooker should and will win

1186
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: if he's everything we think he is and Luke I

1187
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: think he is.

1188
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: You got a prediction for that one? Yeah, Dan Hooker's

1189
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: gonna win, think so? Yeah, Yeah, I think so too.

1190
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: But but wins? Could you be surprised?

1191
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: No, of course, No, fella's gonna pour the jar out.

1192
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: He's gonna give himself every opportunity to win that. I

1193
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 2: just think Hooker's natural skill set.

1194
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: Is at a higher level. And he's a rangier as well,

1195
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: which will be interesting.

1196
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 2: Okay, And he's coming from that that gold mine down there.

1197
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not doesn't have to travel too.

1198
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 2: I mean you see the pictures on Instagram with him

1199
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: and Otto Sianya almost doing like a Miami Vice type thing.

1200
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, they got to have you know what? The

1201
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: Atto Sonya Hooker buddy cop thing is unexplored here the.

1202
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: Second best in all of them and maybehind you and

1203
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: I that's right, that's right. Hey how about this?

1204
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: Would you be Chris Tucker or Jackie Chan I'd be I'd.

1205
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 2: Be Phil Brooks. You know, I was thinking, you hate

1206
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: this shirt right rightfully? So I did get it for

1207
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 2: five dollars, So don't get on me too much. But

1208
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: this is kind of represents us, Luke right, we're stubborn.

1209
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: We come to this sport. People said we couldn't make it.

1210
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 2: Look at us now we're inside the massage parlor. Yep,

1211
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: we're We're not afraid to take hard l's on in

1212
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 2: front of you know, breat cameras on national telegion.

1213
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: Do it every week.

1214
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: You know, we keep coming back, right, we are the

1215
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 2: cmpunk of m m A journalists.

1216
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: Yeah that's sad. Yeah, that's very sad. All right, let's

1217
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: get a hot wife though. Give him that Wasn't he

1218
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: a great wrestler? Does I understand?

1219
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 2: It's one of the best of all time?

1220
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: Is that right? Dead series hittimate.

1221
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 2: I mean, he wasn't a pure athlete inside the ring,

1222
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: but his ability to be an anti hero on the

1223
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 2: microphone and can build a brand and all that was amazing.

1224
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: He's very legit. But by the way, apparently he's a

1225
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: pretty decent commentator as well. For him and John Morgan

1226
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: and uh and Jessica Penny as well. So hey, you

1227
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: should get a blue shirt gimmick like John Morgan, what

1228
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: do you think?

1229
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 2: I mean?

1230
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: I know you've got the whole have you heard why

1231
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: he does that.

1232
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: It's a father son story.

1233
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: It's touching and no one travels more than the globe

1234
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: to he told me that. I was like, oh, now

1235
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: that I'm a dad, I kind of felt that one.

1236
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: I feel you, John, you.

1237
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: Should go to go to your barber and order the

1238
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 2: John Morgan special. I know you like paying one hundred

1239
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 2: dollars for haircuts.

1240
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't like paying it. I just do.

1241
00:49:58,239 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 2: Uh.

1242
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: Okay, time now for where you we get to ask

1243
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: us questions? It is DMS from Docs. Look at that.

1244
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: Oh look at that new animation. They put some money

1245
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: in that. All right, let's go first here with the

1246
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 1: time we have remaining. Mister Brian Campbell, well.

1247
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: You don't have a job. Next we can go all

1248
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: day here. You want to go?

1249
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: Think to have a train though? From Underscore Delgado ninety seven,

1250
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: why has he kind of been into this a little bit?

1251
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: But why has the promotion for water Fury Tube been minimal?

1252
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 1: Isn't this the biggest headweight boxing match in quite some time?

1253
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: I do, I'm for a casual fan who doesn't understand it.

1254
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: What's the basic reason.

1255
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: I don't think they committed. They didn't commit to a

1256
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 2: full press star they did two press conferences. Originally they

1257
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: weren't gonna do any they did them both in LA.

1258
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: I'll give them credit. That second one was broadcast nationally

1259
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: on Fox, ESPN News everywhere across the board. All right,

1260
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: I think it was hurt. Like we mentioned that Fury

1261
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 2: didn't do the full theatrics. I think Fox and ESPN

1262
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: were more focused on taking each fighter and putting them

1263
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: into their elements that they already have their TV shows

1264
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: there or whatever. I think they're gonna be on the

1265
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: Mass Singer or something I've heard which I don't know,

1266
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 2: which has a stupid amount of.

1267
00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: Viewers every week twenty million.

1268
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 2: So in the end they may reach that one and

1269
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: a half that I said is the ceiling a million

1270
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: point five? Right, It could get there in the end,

1271
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: But why did not have it? They didn't do the

1272
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 2: traditional way. The traditional way is to do an eight

1273
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: city tour, do a couple of different countries, and at

1274
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: each stop, right at each stop, have those crazy moments,

1275
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: let them go face to face, have a mock pushing session,

1276
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: all of that stuff. We didn't see that. Why did

1277
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 2: Mayweather McGregor, which was the perfect storm of all time,

1278
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Speaker 2: reached that ungodly level of what like four point four

1279
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 2: million pay per view buys for a fight that was

1280
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: really a fun thing because of that tour. That tour

1281
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: was genius are dogs, That's right, But we didn't even get,

1282
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: you know, a quarter of what that tour could have produced.

1283
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: In my eyes.

1284
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Speaker 2: Now we're going to find out what the final numbers,

1285
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: what it means to have a Super Bowl commercial on Fox, right,

1286
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 2: what it means to have these guys on College Game

1287
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: Day on ESPN all that. We're going to find that out.

1288
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: But it wasn't a traditional build. It was more sort

1289
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: of piecemeal. We're going to invade your different areas of

1290
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: your life in Ticeon, Fury's going to be saying.

1291
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. When I watched those

1292
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: ads on the Super Bowl. Obviously, dude, we're talking about

1293
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, over a one hundred million people watching at

1294
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Speaker 1: the same time. Be honest, irrespective of the number of

1295
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: people watching, did you find those ads during the Super

1296
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: Bowl memorable? Because I didn't.

1297
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Speaker 2: They felt like, say, because I'm a boxing fan, so

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00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: everything that they're telling me in that commercial I've seen

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Speaker 2: a million times.

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00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: My wife was like, who are these people? And she

1301
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: likes boxing. You know what I mean, that's a very

1302
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: casual fan.

1303
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: Maybe redesigned the commercial with them talking trash and show

1304
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: a little bit more of their personality.

1305
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, like it just you know how we

1306
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: always get on the UFC for like every time they

1307
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 1: have a new event, they have like a generic highlight

1308
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 1: reel and in important because they're turning out so much content,

1309
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: how much can be individualized? Okay, fine, it felt like that,

1310
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: but it's like, dude, you had time to do this

1311
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: in a much more. They just took stock footage and

1312
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: edited it and put a little animation on it. I

1313
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: was like three floor shout out to a cigarette, sweet

1314
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: baby y for Yeah. By the way, his calls are amazing.

1315
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: I love Ray. I'm just saying I don't know, it

1316
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: felt like a missed opportunity. I'm not saying it didn't work.

1317
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it won't be effective.

1318
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: You know, as Floyd Mayweather would say, the proof is

1319
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: in the put in. We're going to see at the

1320
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: end of the day, here what the numbers says. See

1321
00:52:59,040 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: if they did it right?

1322
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: All right, Well, well at suspect Monkey has our next question.

1323
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: That's a great that's a great user name thoughts on

1324
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: reports of the UFC draining its cash reserves to pay

1325
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: out its celebrity investors. Should fighters be pissed.

1326
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 2: Due to the story. Should be pissed.

1327
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: But let's set the story up. So if you guys

1328
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: don't know this, it was reported in the New York Times.

1329
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: I had this person on my show, the show you

1330
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: don't listen to?

1331
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 2: Can we get it right?

1332
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: Said what I say?

1333
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 2: Times?

1334
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, yeah, New York Post Alexandra stein Grod, I

1335
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: think it's her name, Staygrod. She wrote a story basically

1336
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: saying three hundred million dollars in cash reserves that the

1337
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: UFC had generated was split in half. Half one hundred

1338
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: and fifty million went back to Endeavor, and then another

1339
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty million or so was dispersed along

1340
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: celebrity investors. Mark Wahlberg made five hundred thousand, just a'll

1341
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: bunch in one hundred and fifty k, Dana White, Ari

1342
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: Emmanuel three million each, and so on and so forth.

1343
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: And the reason why I was considered to be a

1344
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: little bit weird is because they had about three hundred

1345
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 1: million in cash reserves, which means you're dividend is typically

1346
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: going to be around thirty to fifty million dollars. Well,

1347
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: they just drained the whole shit. They gave the whole

1348
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: thing away.

1349
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 2: Goodness gracious the papers right.

1350
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: So the New York Posts was like, why are you

1351
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: doing that? And their reasoning was, again this is probably debatable,

1352
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: UFC did not come and needed an endeavor on the story.

1353
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,479
Speaker 1: But remember endeavor in twenty nineteen, among other businesses, Uber

1354
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: and other ones we work had that failed IPO and

1355
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 1: a bunch of people were expecting money from the IPO

1356
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: who had the stock. This was apparently their way of

1357
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: using essentially the UFC as endeavor as an ATM to

1358
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: pay back pissed off people who were waiting for an

1359
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: IPO that never came around your thoughts.

1360
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: Until the fighters organized and I'm not talking let's call

1361
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: it beon rebnee and have five people sit like.

1362
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 1: For themaaaaa like their hostages at this press conference.

1363
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 2: And by the way, didn't everyone every all five of

1364
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 2: those guys kind of pay for that? So do you

1365
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 2: sep for Cowboy Company Man Cowboy somehow survivor No.

1366
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: None of them paid for it. Actually, so TJ and

1367
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: a Cowboy. People don't know this or this is not

1368
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: common knowledge you all those series I do with that

1369
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: guy Eric Kerner from American University as the PhD student.

1370
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: He looked into it apropos of nothing. After that press conference,

1371
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: both TJ and Cowboy got Rasis out of nowhere. So

1372
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: the belief is they're probably like, Okay, let's let's show

1373
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: them a little bit more money. You know what.

1374
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: The the stakes are here. The UFC fighters are not

1375
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: paid on the level of what their company has made

1376
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: and sold for and even on the level of what

1377
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: the big time boxers make.

1378
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: Right.

1379
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: You know, Dana will always argue that they get more

1380
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: behind the scenes and that we're all idiots and we.

1381
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: Don't know that, which we're not, because the court documents

1382
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: show us exactly what.

1383
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: So until they until they group get a group of

1384
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 2: people that are current champions and make a public stand,

1385
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 2: then this is going to keep happening.

1386
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: And it is what it is.

1387
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 2: Right, they're just weirding the face. We are going to

1388
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: look back at this as the dark ages, right, we

1389
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 2: look at the dark ages of UFCMMA now as sort

1390
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 2: of like gloveless, ruleless Joe Song getting punched in the

1391
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 2: balls by Keith Ackney. No, we're gonna look back at

1392
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 2: that time that they allowed themselves to a Diego Sanchez

1393
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: to put his life on the line over and over

1394
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 2: and over again for that much money when they could

1395
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 2: have been making that much.

1396
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that same report had argued that or

1397
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: not not even argument had shown that the UFC had generated,

1398
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: you know, through total revenue generation nine hundred million, and

1399
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: that of that nine hundred million, how much that was

1400
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: fighter compensation about one hundred and fifty million. You know,

1401
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: it's like so about sixteen percent, sixteen percent, which is

1402
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: actually which which by the way, lines up with the

1403
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: reporting from Hey, not the face John Nash, who is

1404
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 1: who's exhausted, who has exhaustively gone over the court documents.

1405
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 1: It's every people don't realize this. Every year, the UFC

1406
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: essentially pegs compensation at about twenty percent of operating costs

1407
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,959
Speaker 1: of revenue. And that's not that has mean twenty percent

1408
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: of money goes to them, which, by the way, would

1409
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: lady be low. Part of that is also USAW US,

1410
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: so it's much closer to seventeen or eighteen percent, and

1411
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: with one to fifty of nine hundred, it's sixteen percent.

1412
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 1: The numbers line up. They pay around fifteen to eighteen

1413
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: percent in Fighter com and.

1414
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: In most pro sports with unions, right, is like fifty one.

1415
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: Yes, even with the union, it wouldn't be fifty because

1416
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 1: there's some market mechanisms that wouldn't give them the same leverage.

1417
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: But it would probably gone up to twenty five thirty

1418
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: thirty five.

1419
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: And hear in the day as a fan, it's not

1420
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: our money, it's not our brain. And if let's the

1421
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: UFC's bells and whistles, be brighter and make these big

1422
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 2: fights and have great production, I mean, that's all great,

1423
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 2: but I don't know how the fighters can keep going

1424
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 2: on like this.

1425
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: And I mean just I've also often said this, like

1426
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 1: forget this money, forget ticket sales, forget like which Floyd

1427
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: gets a cut of everything, right, and a Floyd special.

1428
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: But I'm just pointing out what's possible. Let's say they

1429
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: didn't get any money from the pape the TV deal

1430
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: with a one point five billion dollar deal with ESPN,

1431
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: they didn't get any of that, none of it. And

1432
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: if you look at the money they had gotten half

1433
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: of nothing else, just half of the television revenue. I

1434
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: think it would have paid six figures to every fighter

1435
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: for the for the term of that deal every year,

1436
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: every year would have made I think one hundred and

1437
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand to every single UFC fighter every year.

1438
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: Here's just your check for TV money.

1439
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: Thanks you, let you say on the flip side and boxing.

1440
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 2: You know, Al Hayman can be a polarizing figure, the

1441
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: founder of the PBC, doesn't talk to the media, doesn't

1442
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: go on camera.

1443
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: But along with this fighters get paid.

1444
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: Along with helping bring boxing back to mainstream TV, his

1445
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: legacy will be he helped his you know, he helped

1446
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 2: the fighters get but he was always fighter first. You

1447
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: never see fighters complain about that the money that they get.

1448
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: So we don't I don't think we have an Al

1449
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 2: haimen An MMA certainly not be on revenue.

1450
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: James Avery says, true or false. Dylan Dannis is the

1451
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: goat of clout chasing in the MMA community. I'm forty

1452
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: and aging. Can someone accurately describe what cloud chasing in?

1453
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 2: One of these young whipper snappers, like like young less

1454
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: than Jacobs, They don't know he's an andy king of

1455
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 2: the show.

1456
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: Can you appear on? Can you actually what is cloud chasing?

1457
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: He attaches, Did you use the word like more in

1458
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: a sentence. Please, Is it like chasing, Like you're just

1459
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: gonna post stuff to get attention.

1460
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 2: Dylan Dannis calls out the Paul Brothers all the time. Right,

1461
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 2: it's sort of just inserting your name and every calls

1462
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: it John Jones's. It's basically just trying to put your

1463
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 2: name in.

1464
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: Every against for somebody famous. Right. You're always picking a

1465
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: fight with someone bigger.

1466
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: Than you, right, yeah, like which is a little bit

1467
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: different than you. You're always picking a fight, that's right.

1468
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't follow him on any social media,

1469
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: so is he I.

1470
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 2: Love his stick. Look, look, there are certain people that

1471
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: are polarizing that you either love or hey. Right, that's

1472
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,439
Speaker 2: the whole point of the word polarizing. For some reason,

1473
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 2: I love everything about what Dylan Dannis does publicly. I

1474
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 2: think he just sort of gets under the skin of

1475
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 2: the opposite kind of people.

1476
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: To me.

1477
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 2: I just look at it, all those fun and games,

1478
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: and I think every time he fights, I need to

1479
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 2: see if he's for real. It's probably gonna be a

1480
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 2: long time, luke, because he moves his career on like

1481
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 2: a snail still space.

1482
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I don't follow him on social but

1483
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, It's funny. Buddy mine, who doesn't even like MMA,

1484
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: he follows Dylan Dannis. He's like, hey, do you know

1485
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: who Dylan Dannis is. I'm like, yeah, why he goes, dude,

1486
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: He's a great follow on Instagram. Now, this friend of

1487
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: mine is brain damaged and a very stupid person. But nevertheless,

1488
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: for him, who does not in any capacity like MMA,

1489
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: for him to say that.

1490
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, your friend's named Corpsegrinder by any

1491
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 2: I wish I wish he was. By the way, I

1492
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 2: get spammed a lot by well meaning fans of this

1493
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 2: show and my dms a lot of pictures of the

1494
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: Chef Chanko sisters. Again, I've seen them live when they

1495
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: came up on my ig feed. But Luke spams my

1496
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 2: dms like crazy with these like feel good articles about

1497
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 2: the lat singer of this metal abortion band corps Grinder

1498
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 2: just donated one of the church Like, well, that's nice,

1499
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 2: that's nice, Lucas, and you just ignore Themalon's picture with

1500
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 2: him and his wife. That's that's really great.

1501
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: I like to send him, uh Instagram posts of death

1502
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: metal singers or death metal band members and their utterly

1503
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: normal lives, even boring lives.

1504
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 2: The guy's name is corpsegrinder, Luke, Okay, his name is George.

1505
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:23,959
Speaker 2: His band mate is in jail.

1506
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: Well, he's got problems.

1507
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: What are you the coach send us?

1508
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't think he's that bad.

1509
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: Jesus.

1510
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: He wasn't raping children of crime out loud. He just

1511
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: went a little insane, all right. So from Bran Tendo

1512
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: sixty four, if you had to send two fighters back

1513
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: to the nineties to star in a slapstick comedy, which

1514
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: two fighters would it be?

1515
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 2: Well, you just talked about the idea of Kanya and

1516
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 2: Hooker doing a nice little but it's slapstick comedy. Slapstick comedy.

1517
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: Have you been seeing the videos that Dean Thomas is

1518
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: making mocking Stephen Smith? He King is deadpan of ship.

1519
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: It has been amazing. He's very funny.

1520
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: Shout out to King mo wh who I guess with this?

1521
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,439
Speaker 2: With this question is really asking, Luke, is which current

1522
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 2: fighters today do you think have like the best person?

1523
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: Nim Michael Bisping would be fan who he's retired but

1524
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: would be absolutely fantastic.

1525
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't agree. I would think that someone has a

1526
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: little bit goofy. So I'm gonna says, how about Tom Waller,

1527
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: remember his famous ways, Yeah, the Deutcher. He would come

1528
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: out like Dan Severn or what was the esoteric wrestling

1529
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: reference he had with the guy had the Silver Star

1530
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: Wars storm Trooper helmet and he tripped the uh the

1531
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: uh shockmaster shock Master. I guess he had done that

1532
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: as an esoteric wrestling bit. He seems to me perfect

1533
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: for that. Tom, Tom Lawler and Dean Thomas could do

1534
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: some things.

1535
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 2: We should probably hang out with Shot Evans more. Did

1536
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 2: you see him on the Rogan show?

1537
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: I saw part of it.

1538
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 2: We should go on the desert do payotic.

1539
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: He has done drugs.

1540
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 2: Wow, I love me by the way I do. I

1541
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 2: do a podcast every week. They had a combat on

1542
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 2: CBS Sports Shot Evans.

1543
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: He's super bright, but anyone else who's who's a funny guy?

1544
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: We're not thinking of die Go.

1545
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 2: I like Tyrone Woodley slapstick comedy.

1546
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: No me as the very much. Not that kind of fight.

1547
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: That kind of DC's possible, Deca's possible. I like that,

1548
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: like where your head's at?

1549
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 2: All right? All right? These two guys can probably do

1550
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 2: sleptic comedy.

1551
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: Those guys will just do We gotta find these so Jay.

1552
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 2: You know, Jason had a lot of bad ideas in

1553
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 2: our ears, but one time Jay had the idea of

1554
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 2: if we can, why don't we put the why don't

1555
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 2: we put our people on this? You see these two

1556
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 2: Look at these guys right here, Look at the intensity

1557
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 2: right there. Okay, we need to find these two men, Luke.

1558
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,439
Speaker 2: We need to find them, get them on the show,

1559
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 2: connect by skype, tip tip to tip by Skype, and

1560
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 2: we need to get the inside story before someone else

1561
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 2: beats it to it. So I challenge our viewers. I

1562
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 2: challenge our listeners, by the way, because a lot of

1563
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 2: people only listen to the show for some weird reason.

1564
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: That's weird.

1565
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, do what you can research this picture. I don't

1566
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 2: know the league, I don't know the country. I'm assuming

1567
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 2: it's Polish region on the may. But we need to

1568
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 2: find out the origin of tip to tip.

1569
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what we we don't have it. We

1570
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,479
Speaker 1: don't have an official no fighters policy on the show.

1571
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: We'll have them on occasion, but we've done nearly forty

1572
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: of these never had I love them. I just don't

1573
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: think talking to them all the time is a great idea.

1574
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: But I'll make a grand exception for those two.

1575
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 2: All right, we got we got the King Gong on board.

1576
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's right, I would do that. Okay, Last,

1577
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: but not least, from Divaud Underscore HC step Brian Campbell,

1578
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on the XFL DC defenders to

1579
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: and Obey?

1580
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm I've sampled it very little, but I'm

1581
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: woke to the to the rules changes and what they've done,

1582
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 2: and I can't believe that they have pulled this off.

1583
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 2: I thought, coming from a pro wrestling fandom that Vince

1584
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 2: McMahon essentially selling all the stock and taking his career

1585
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 2: earnings and putting it into this would once again be

1586
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 2: a failure. That old Genius has teamed with the right

1587
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 2: people and they've figured out how to make something that's

1588
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 2: alternative to the big NFL and is exciting. They've done it.

1589
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 2: The first time around, it wasn't They didn't have the

1590
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 2: right rules, they didn't have the right sort of you know,

1591
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 2: extra crap. Remember they tried to do skits in the

1592
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 2: locker room, that field misery. Yeah, I feel like this

1593
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 2: could work. I think what you need to do, though,

1594
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 2: is you really need to chase after those non NFL guys, right,

1595
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 2: like the Tim Tebows people like that, the Johnny Manziels,

1596
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 2: the people that have name and have on Kaepernick, you know,

1597
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 2: the ex college guys. The Colin Kapernick would be a

1598
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 2: perfect example. You need those guys to be your face.

1599
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 2: But if you can have this fun ass scoring system

1600
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 2: that inevitably, by the way it's set up, Luke, because

1601
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 2: you can get what nine point touchdowns in.

1602
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: The yeah one or two or you're sing, you know,

1603
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: every game.

1604
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 2: Is going to be set up to be to be

1605
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 2: close down the stretch. They're quick. I mean it's working.

1606
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 2: It's working from what I've seen watching highlights, watching a

1607
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 2: little bit of games.

1608
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: I think you're right about the t Bow and the

1609
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: Kaepernick thing, because it's like, can you name who would

1610
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: your team be? The New York Guardians I guess the

1611
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: Tristate area. Can you name anyone on your team?

1612
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 2: No? I couldn't have named the team.

1613
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: Sorry, Yeah, well they well they played DC over the weekend.

1614
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: In DC. They're playing at Audifield, which is the new

1615
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: Uh well, if they're playing at the new DC United,

1616
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: it's brand new, the AUDI Field, so it's only been

1617
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: around for one season. Cardile Jones the famous Ohio State

1618
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks triple reverse. Cool. Here's the thing, it's like the

1619
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: games are real hit or miss. Man, Like, the games

1620
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: I've seen for the DC Defenders have been pretty good

1621
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: and then I watched I don't know which when I

1622
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: watched that today after that was like unwatchable.

1623
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 2: Well my timeline of combat. People who love football are

1624
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 2: like going nuts about this.

1625
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: Well also, so I've not checked around the league, but

1626
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: just for audy field attendance because both of them have

1627
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: been home games. The first two games week over week

1628
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: that had eight or a yeah, week over week that

1629
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: had at twelve percent drop in attendance. And I remember

1630
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: when the first XFL was around, they had a dramatic

1631
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: drop off around or you know, a week over week.

1632
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: So here's my thing, let's just see how it goes.

1633
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: I like it. I'm going to go to a game

1634
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: because I actually think that looks pretty cool.

1635
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

1636
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: The only two problems with are one, it's like I've

1637
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: noticed that the one the two and the three point

1638
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: line for the extra point. No one can get the

1639
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: three point because they're hello shitty football players. And the

1640
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: other part is it's like the old XFL I remember

1641
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: was like real renegade. You know, everyone could make their

1642
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: own name tapes. He hate me. Yeah, And now they

1643
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: want to go the safe direction. And it's like, I

1644
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: appreciate some of the inner I don't think it was.

1645
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: You need to be innovative enough to make it high

1646
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: scoring football. They've not done that.

1647
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 2: Well, they've done that to a degree, but I think

1648
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 2: you need more sort of gimmick cfl indoor football type.

1649
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly, and they've done some of those things.

1650
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 2: I wish there's just a little bit more then you need,

1651
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 2: you know, one or two stars per team that everyone

1652
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 2: knows that you can tune in for. By the way,

1653
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 2: nobody loves their home, their their their home more than you.

1654
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: Like.

1655
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 2: I'm from factory Town, Nogatok, Connecticut, but I would not

1656
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 2: get a tattoo that says greyhounds are noggy pride on it.

1657
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:32,439
Speaker 2: This guy Luke is like, like, it's really seampunk in Chicago, dude.

1658
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: People don't understand if you live in one place as

1659
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: long as I have, and I have moved around as

1660
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: a kid, So it's like I was living in DC

1661
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: for years and then I moved around And do.

1662
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 2: You have any cutter tattoos on you or.

1663
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: Why are you weird? Why are you weird? And then

1664
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: and I moved back to DC and I've been there

1665
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: most of my life, and I don't think people will

1666
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: really appreciate how much where they live in that community

1667
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: shapes their identity. And I do.

1668
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 2: So there you go, Hey, shout out to Nogatok, Connecticut.

1669
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 2: You want to come buy my old hood one of

1670
01:06:59,640 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 2: these things?

1671
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: No, no, I don't. All right. Well with that being said, though,

1672
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: it is time to go to your neighborhood.

1673
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 2: Time for already.

1674
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: Have you seen this ship? Oh, we got new poop emojis.

1675
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: Look at that, Luke.

1676
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 2: I wanted you to know that that what this segment is.

1677
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 2: We scour the globe for the good, the bad, the ugly,

1678
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 2: and combat sports and beyond, Luke, if it happened in

1679
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 2: the world, I'll find that ship and look at the

1680
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 2: Octagon branding there.

1681
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: I kind of like that a little bit, a little

1682
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: bit nicely.

1683
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 2: Right, let's start out here, Luke. Okay, you ready, We're

1684
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 2: gonna go to Thailand. This might be the round of

1685
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 2: the year, maybe the round of the lifetime. Look at

1686
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 2: this Buy in the Blue gets sent to hell. This

1687
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 2: is this is what Max moy Thai in Thailand. Okay,

1688
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 2: that's the name of the promotion.

1689
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: Get some this imaying on these ropes player, Luke.

1690
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 2: This turned out to be the gaudy ward of tie fighting.

1691
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: Watched this watch as he's like, nah, bitch, no, it.

1692
01:07:53,560 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 2: Ain't going down. Oh yeah, anyway, the guy in the

1693
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 2: blue one long story.

1694
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: Oh did he okay?

1695
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got up. He had no business getting up

1696
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 2: from that, and he wanted okay, thank you, thank you.

1697
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 2: I couldn't find the video though, But did you see

1698
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 2: BKFC over the weekend? Dat and Win knocked the guy out?

1699
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: I didn't see the fight.

1700
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 2: Shout out to Hector Lombard here all right, Luke, we

1701
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 2: roll on. It's probably gonna get weird soon. Oh no

1702
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 2: user submission here. Another user submitted Ko coming up from

1703
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 2: Battlefield Fight League in Vancouver. The Fighter Bro nineteen year

1704
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 2: old Johnny Lungbud Broad, Johnny Young Blood Broad, Johnny Broad.

1705
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 2: Look at this spinny shit, Ko, Luke. This was at

1706
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 2: BFL sixty five in Vancouver. David Klonsk getting sent to

1707
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 2: hell the you know what that reminds me of the

1708
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,719
Speaker 2: promoter sent in this video himself.

1709
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: Dude, Promoters keep sending you you know what reminds me

1710
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: of did you ever see Phil Baroni beat Dave Manette? Yes,

1711
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: and Dave Mane is knocked out and he can't drop

1712
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: because Barony is firing punches so fast he's levitating him.

1713
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 2: Look at Johnny broad right, Spinny shit and then just

1714
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 2: sends him.

1715
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,759
Speaker 1: To h and look does the dance? Does the split?

1716
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: He's been watching too much cheer on Netflix. This is great. Wow.

1717
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 2: Hold that look if you can. And by the way,

1718
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 2: you know the dude who was on last week at

1719
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 2: John Hazewood, he's been all in my DMS. The blood

1720
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 2: on the back of his head, he put the guillotine

1721
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 2: on it and he got backed up to the casion

1722
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 2: he got cheese graded.

1723
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: On the back of Yeah, that's tough.

1724
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: There's a permanent scarr.

1725
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: It's a tough kid.

1726
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 2: Shout out to Hazel with MMA. Shout out to these

1727
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 2: guys here at the Battlefield Fight League. That all right,

1728
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 2: let's roll on here, Luke, a fight in the crowd

1729
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 2: here at Cleveland Brown Stadium. Here's how you end it, Luke.

1730
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: Look at this.

1731
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,719
Speaker 2: Look at this old guy coming and changing oil.

1732
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: Wait what happened?

1733
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,600
Speaker 2: I think he stuck his thumb up is that this

1734
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 2: is how you break up a fight nowadays.

1735
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:40,719
Speaker 1: Oh wow, dude, that's real Cleveland.

1736
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 2: Yes, look at them searching for gold right there. I

1737
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 2: think he found it, Luke.

1738
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: Wow, I love that. I love the Instagram handle at nutshots. Luke.

1739
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 2: The the subhead on this this was gave him the

1740
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 2: old fashioned Cleveland steamer.

1741
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: Indeed, that is not a Cleveland steamer. Wow. Oh wow,

1742
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: I know one of them.

1743
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 2: That's that'd probably be a good submission. Move in, MA,

1744
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 2: can you change oil?

1745
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that you should do that him.

1746
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: Shot fucking do we have any we need to add

1747
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: exits to the studio.

1748
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, we're gonna roll off the tip on

1749
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 2: tip revolution started by these two Polish gentlemen behind me.

1750
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 2: Now it's coming into Major League Baseball. Check Out these

1751
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 2: raised outfielders, Luke, touching dicks. You see this.

1752
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: They scissored.

1753
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 2: This is ridiculous tip tip action. I hope they're okay, Luke,

1754
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 2: I hope they didn't get injured. But check out the

1755
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:35,560
Speaker 2: check out the hustle.

1756
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: Chick all scissor due that scissor and they bounced.

1757
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:41,759
Speaker 2: Should become them on marriage. Wow. Yikes.

1758
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: That's up close and.

1759
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 2: Personal, Luke Braham. Wow. Wow, luckily they were wearing cups.

1760
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 2: All right, we roll on here, Luke. If we get

1761
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 2: to one hundred thousand subs, I think that people are

1762
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 2: gonna want you and I to do this right tip

1763
01:10:54,760 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 2: on tip brother, Yeah no, I'm not in Wow. Look

1764
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 2: at the dedication from these two guys.

1765
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: Of course they're white.

1766
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 2: They are the spirit animal hit back to at.

1767
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: Nut dot shots. I didn't know this was your favorite account.

1768
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 2: Yes, PBC boxing over the weekend in Nashville, Luke, I

1769
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 2: don't know if you saw this upset. Bryant Perella is

1770
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 2: in the black trunks. They're the guy on the left

1771
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: gets dropped in the final round. He's ahead on all

1772
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 2: three scorecards, but Abel Ramos will not stop coming. Luke,

1773
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 2: that was weird.

1774
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew you were gonna be like, get

1775
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 1: it all right, So check this out.

1776
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 2: Twenty seconds to go in the round, Jack Reese, the

1777
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 2: referee able Ramos trying to pull this upset.

1778
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,600
Speaker 1: Same ref from Tyson Furyum jillwater.

1779
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 2: On Parrella hanging on for dear left. Do you remember

1780
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 2: the ending of the nineteen ninety classic fight who they'll

1781
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,759
Speaker 2: says our Chavez against Meldrick Taylor. They Richard Steel stopped

1782
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 2: to fight with three seconds to go, Jack Reese channeling

1783
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 2: in that there Brian Perella up after the second knockdown.

1784
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 2: The clock's ticking down. He's ahead on all three cards.

1785
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 2: Jack Reese makes him walk to the left. That's it.

1786
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: Whoa with one second stop? He stumbled when he walked.

1787
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 1: You'd be the judge, Luke. Is that an acceptable stopping? Yes,

1788
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 1: he stumbled when he walked. Dude, you gotta go back

1789
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: and look at Tyson Fury when the same ref makes

1790
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: him walk the line if he must have had you

1791
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: ever seen those guys who have fifty beers and then

1792
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 1: they pass all the field sobriety tests, it's like that.

1793
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 2: He's a lot like Taylor, where you got to ask

1794
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 2: yourself if you know the guy can finish. And I

1795
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 2: know the referee doesn't know the exact amount of seconds

1796
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 2: and his you know, in his mind in that moment.

1797
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: But it's not the rule. The rule is not gonna

1798
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: make it. He can just eke it out to the

1799
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: end that the rule is. Are you capable of continuing?

1800
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: So no, the bell cannot save you. Brian Campbell in

1801
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: any round breaking. All right, let's go to etiquette here.

1802
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 1: When you go to the beach in his feedo and

1803
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 1: you bring a horse, you gotta be careful. Check out

1804
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: that guy getting kicked in the pill again. You're back

1805
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: to at nut dot shot. You've made terrible choices in

1806
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 1: your life. Why the fuck is a horse on the beach?

1807
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: How did the horse? Was just gotta random horse in

1808
01:12:59,439 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: the buck beach?

1809
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 2: European speedo. You deserve getting kicked in the nuts on

1810
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 2: that right?

1811
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: Come here, horse, have a beer to give you?

1812
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 2: Oh God, may all your horse be be loyal?

1813
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 1: Luke?

1814
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 2: Okay, horses, sorry, all right?

1815
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: Have you're just been in a beach? Where's a random

1816
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: ass horse? Anyway?

1817
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 2: Luke, let's roll on here, head kicks r us time.

1818
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 2: Let's get some spinny shit going. You see this grounded

1819
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:22,679
Speaker 2: fighter from wah Wan Mma. Oh, it's who same cashu

1820
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 2: with a head kick ko from the ground.

1821
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that al a kick? Yeah?

1822
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 2: Damn uh.

1823
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: You know who almost landed one of those on? I

1824
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: think it was Tony Ferguson. It was Anthony Pettis got

1825
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 1: pretty close with one of those. Have you ever heard

1826
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: of wah Wan Mma, I know Wawa, the same gas

1827
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 1: station in New.

1828
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 2: Jersey, Pennsylvania. This was in Jordan, Luke, almost.

1829
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 1: Near your home, Jordan's. I've been to a mon Jordan.

1830
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 2: Speaking of headcakes, out of stray cats there, check out

1831
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 2: this classic one from twenty seventeen. This was at LFA eight.

1832
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 1: Hold.

1833
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 2: See come out Michael Andre with a head.

1834
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: Kick the boy. Jesus damn brock them.

1835
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 2: You think they just buried him just like that. Luke

1836
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 2: didn't even put a shirt on him. Do you see

1837
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: the mouthpiece caram off the cage right there. That's ridiculous.

1838
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 2: You kick a guy in a mouth, you're gonna show

1839
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 2: up on the show, Luke, all right, sounds like it.

1840
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 2: Never Oh you never look a gift horse in the mouth,

1841
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 2: by the way, especially on the beach wearing a speedo.

1842
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 1: That's not what looking at gift horse in the mouth.

1843
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,799
Speaker 2: Oh. Look, they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

1844
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 2: How many words you got for this picture?

1845
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: Luke? Okay, I think her water broke. Okay, that is

1846
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: I They need psychological counseling.

1847
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 2: Hey, okay, we're gonna roll on there. Look before they

1848
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 2: canceled the show, slammed down contest over the weekend. I

1849
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 2: don't know if you saw Aaron Gordon getting robed. Let's see,

1850
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 2: could this guy have won it? Oh my god, I

1851
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 2: think he broke his back doctor said he needs.

1852
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: To back in. I told you I could dunk in

1853
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 1: like high school and college. I think you thought I

1854
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 1: looked like that.

1855
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's not that's just poor planning. I mean

1856
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 2: there's no sandbags to hold that that thing down.

1857
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I mean, do you get credit

1858
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: for like killing the backboard? Or now?

1859
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 2: He almost broke his car too. On top of that, Luke,

1860
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 2: I know he's probably gonna be in the hospital for.

1861
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 1: A long time. I mean, that car is worth less

1862
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 1: than the rim.

1863
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 2: All right, we got more slam dunk fails. Check out

1864
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 2: this one. You ever set up seven kids in a row?

1865
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 2: See if you can dunk over him?

1866
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 1: Luke?

1867
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that poor kid got a tea bag.

1868
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 2: You see that, Luke. Wow, I think that's called going

1869
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 2: hard in the tank.

1870
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: How long have you been saving that one?

1871
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 2: Like forty eight hours it's been I.

1872
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 1: Mean, how long have you been waiting? I know, I

1873
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: know you were probably in the in the in the bathtub.

1874
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:37,759
Speaker 1: Just I got an idea.

1875
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 2: Shampoo is yeah, okay, stop looking at me, Swan All right, Luke,

1876
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 2: let's go. We got one more slam dunk fail. This

1877
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 2: is in a college dorm room. This just happened, Luke

1878
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 2: this weekend. Check out big sexy right here. Oh my god,

1879
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:56,799
Speaker 2: watch him, he does the throat slash escalade, our ip escalade.

1880
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 2: By the way, Mark Jacksons older brother. Check out the

1881
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 2: face on this guy who comes in in a minute

1882
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 2: and realizes his security deposit in college just went to that.

1883
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 1: Had that Chick fil a two player. I see you.

1884
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 2: I think he wins this land dunk contest with that though.

1885
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,600
Speaker 1: I think it's real too. They ad what did they

1886
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 1: think was gonna happen when a five hundred pound man

1887
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 1: in the.

1888
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 2: Face Luke, Yes, yes, all right, wow the best I

1889
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 2: got the best stuff. Hey, backyard football player of the week.

1890
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,600
Speaker 2: Check Out the commitment of this cornerback right here, the

1891
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 2: guy in the black shirt. Look at this going deep.

1892
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 2: He's got it. He's got the pick. Oh my god,

1893
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 2: he's he's never gonna walk again. Luke, what is this?

1894
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's it. That's helmet to helmet.

1895
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 1: That's you.

1896
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 2: That's an legal hit right.

1897
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: There from the tree right, Luke, I like how vegetation

1898
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 1: is like a better pass defender than Josh.

1899
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 2: Oh my God, make like a tree and leave, or

1900
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 2: at least get paralyzed. That's awful, Luke.

1901
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: Right, dude, are you will you stop with the dad humor?

1902
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: Cut it out right?

1903
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, we want to close on this. Uh

1904
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 2: you see this footage of a sword fight on a

1905
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:08,759
Speaker 2: boat between drunk trips drunk drunk chicks.

1906
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: You know what can I tell you? I can I

1907
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: tell you honestly they touch tips?

1908
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 2: Luke?

1909
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: Can I can I be honest with you for just

1910
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 1: a second. I literally forget you're obsessed with Dix, And

1911
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: then every time we do this, I'm like, okay, we're

1912
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 1: gonna go over highlight finish. I always forget, and then

1913
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: you always painfully remind me that you are obsessed.

1914
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 2: I think I'm obsessed with hot drunk tricks drunk chicks.

1915
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: Only if they're wearing giant and flatable.

1916
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 2: Don't understand. Unlike you, I I know our audience. I

1917
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 2: know their wants, and I'm more importantly, I know their needs. Luke?

1918
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 2: Do I have to sell a little bit of my

1919
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 2: soul to satisfy them? Each week?

1920
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Speaker 1: You are you are abusive?

1921
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 2: Okay, but I will do that. Your kids watch the show, no, Luke,

1922
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 2: there's as far as they're concerned, the show isn't on

1923
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 2: the air.

1924
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Speaker 1: Luke, Okay, is this better or worse than Paul Blart?

1925
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: Moll coop?

1926
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 2: Oh? This is way better? But I would never show

1927
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Speaker 2: them this, Okay, Okay, Luke, all right, this.

1928
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: Is for this is for our people again, and you

1929
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 1: went back to Nutshots. You know, need vary it up

1930
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 1: a little bit, my guy.

1931
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Speaker 2: You know, I spent three hours on the couch the

1932
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 2: other night and I couldn't sleep. So I just I

1933
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 2: just I got a lot saved for next week. That's

1934
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 2: all I have to say. Luke, Okay, shout out to

1935
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Speaker 2: Nutshots on instage.

1936
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 1: I think every time you feature any kind of rubber

1937
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 1: or inflatable dong.

1938
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 2: Good head movement though there, you need to put it on.

1939
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: The wall behind you as a monument to your body

1940
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: of work, because I think that would actually know what

1941
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:27,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if that would deter you.

1942
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 2: This guy, give me the shaft. Unbelievable.

1943
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 1: Why are you the way you are?

1944
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 2: Hey?

1945
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: You want to salute in a minute, in a minute,

1946
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 1: we haven't not done yet. Time for odds and ends,

1947
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell, what do you have for odds?

1948
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 2: I dont know. If you saw PBC boxing over the weekend,

1949
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 2: Caleb Plant, the IBF one hundred and sixty eight pounds

1950
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 2: title holder, had a homecoming bout against some German hapless

1951
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 2: fellow named Foggin buts. But here's the deal, Kayleb. Plant

1952
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 2: looked absolutely fantastic, stopped him in the tenth round. The

1953
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 2: drums are already.

1954
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: Going, Luke, I'm glad you pronounced that with the long a.

1955
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 2: By the way, sure, yes, the drums have already been

1956
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 2: beaten for the idea of Caleb Plant unifying against David Benavitez,

1957
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 2: who has never lost right, lost his belt with the

1958
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 2: drug suspension, won it back with a nice victory over

1959
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 2: Anthony Durell. That's a hillacious fight. Potentially, you're talking about

1960
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 2: a pure boxer with amazingly fast hands.

1961
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 1: Fox because Caleb Plants like it's a.

1962
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 2: PBC showtime or Fox Baby, right, and you're talking about

1963
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 2: a guy in Benavidez who puts punches together in bunches.

1964
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 2: But here's the deal, Caleb Plant's really freaking good. And

1965
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 2: of course there was this knee jerk reaction right away

1966
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 2: to be like, oh, who's this white chocolate guy. Who's

1967
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 2: this you know, white guy that they're gonna they're gonna

1968
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 2: push to the gills. But he's really not that great.

1969
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:37,560
Speaker 2: When he won the title and beat us Katagi, I

1970
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 2: know he had to take some big shots late and

1971
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:40,799
Speaker 2: he slowed down a little bit of Colombian.

1972
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 1: Your wife SERVI fighter Venezuelan. But yeah, okay, well you

1973
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: know he used to be Grand Columbia under the Bolevarian days.

1974
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 2: Enough fields, Okay, He's shown us heart, he showed us ability.

1975
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: I know.

1976
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 2: Look he beat up Mike Lee, beat up this German fella.

1977
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: But I'm starting to think, care you're a Caleb.

1978
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 2: There are very few fighters who I believe with neutral judges,

1979
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 2: which we never find in Vegas, could legitimately defeat Canelo Alvarez.

1980
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 2: I think Caleb Plant could legitimately beat Canila Evers might

1981
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 2: what I favor him, no, but I think he has

1982
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 2: the kryptonite for what Canlo does so good. I think

1983
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 2: that speed, that daring toughness, he would have to show

1984
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 2: a chin. Canelo, of course, goes to the body. Canelo

1985
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 2: is an amazing Counterpunchry was able to send Sergey kov

1986
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 2: Love to help one seventy five and finish him. But

1987
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 2: I think would Caleb Plant get screwed in and uh,

1988
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 2: i'll speakers, probably, but I think that he would have

1989
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 2: a shot at beating Canelo. Alright's showing me things, showing

1990
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 2: me things, all stay tuned.

1991
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 1: All right, Dick picks dongs.

1992
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 2: He's gonna have to get by David Benavitez. I don't

1993
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 2: know if they ask Kila Plante if he would fight Canelo,

1994
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 2: by the way, would he fight him, you know, in May?

1995
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 2: And he was like, no, not on a three month turnaround.

1996
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 2: He's been getting some flak for that, but all he

1997
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 2: wants to make sure he's all right.

1998
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 1: Last, but not least for me. I don't I got

1999
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 1: it from the Beyond Kickboxing account. I think we have

2000
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 1: a video of it. There was a tie fight. Now

2001
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 1: watch the referee here, this guy's gonna eat an elbow

2002
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 1: from the right, and then watch the referee. He actually

2003
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: that merely catches the head and the neck, but guides

2004
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 1: the can cut knocked out fighter to the ground. Watch

2005
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:03,799
Speaker 1: it one more time, just pay attention to the referee

2006
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: and then watch the lack of head bounce on the

2007
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 1: one who gets knocked out. Look at that. That is

2008
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: unbelievably good something like that, bro, because that dude, that

2009
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: you get hit like that, or I should say like

2010
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 1: that and then your head gets a second bounce, You're

2011
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: gonna have problems that referee.

2012
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 2: What league is this? So full disclosure this was gonna

2013
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 2: be and have you seen the ship? And I've seen

2014
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 2: other highlights from this organization in some.

2015
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 1: Kind of muy Thai league, and I think they have

2016
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: slightly amended rules about what they can and can't do well.

2017
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 2: The refs try this a lot. They don't always get it,

2018
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 2: but they try that dive.

2019
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 1: The dive is that the future?

2020
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 2: Could you so yet?

2021
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I was talking to Duke Rufus

2022
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 1: commented on my post about this, and he was like, dude,

2023
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 1: all the Taie refs apparently can do stuff like this,

2024
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 1: like they're very good. I saw one guy throw a

2025
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 1: kick after the bell and the other ref not with

2026
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 1: his shin but with a sole of his foot checked

2027
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: it so it didn't impact the other fighter. Apparently they're

2028
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 1: amazing about this stuff. Anyway, whoever that referee is is

2029
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 1: a just, I mean, absolutely world class refereeing from him,

2030
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: So salute to you, good sir.

2031
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 2: Shout out to that. I think Aaron Gordon got screwed

2032
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:07,640
Speaker 2: in the dunk contests over the weekend. I know you

2033
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 2: didn't watch it, but I was just happy to see

2034
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 2: the dunk contest back at that level with a real

2035
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 2: kind of duel that brought back the memories of the

2036
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 2: great ones like Dominique eighty eight. Remember when Jason Richardson

2037
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 2: and Desmond Mason I'm sorry had that faced off and

2038
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 2: O three that was fantastic.

2039
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 1: My favorite was the Isaiah Ryder. It's one of the

2040
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 1: worst dunk constests of all time, but Isaiah Rider had

2041
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 1: sort of stood out for.

2042
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 2: A funk dunk.

2043
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 1: By the way, you can make a case though, even

2044
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:33,879
Speaker 1: though he's I went back and I watched the highlights,

2045
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: even though Aaron Gordon's never won, Yes, you could make

2046
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: a case He's at the all time top ten competitor.

2047
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean lost Zach Levine that first time around.

2048
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: That was which which by the way, I didn't think

2049
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: he was robbed in that one. I thought Levine was

2050
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 1: better this time. He could argue he should have wonted.

2051
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 2: Dunk contest performances your tops all time are Vince Carter,

2052
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 2: Jordan and Dominicer there of course, But then I think

2053
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 2: you gotta have Dwight Howard and they remember those two

2054
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 2: years in a row. He was unreal.

2055
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 1: I forgot about old Dwight. Maybe Aaron Gordon's. Which of

2056
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: his nine games in DC were your favorite? Uh?

2057
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 2: Blick Griffin's And my no, that was a crappy dunk contest.

2058
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: I know he jump on the car.

2059
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 2: That was the first of a four or five year

2060
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 2: stretch where they they the NBA helped them come up

2061
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 2: with the ideas for the dunks and come up with

2062
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 2: the extra stuff. I hate that. Let's let the let

2063
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 2: the dunker come up with his own crap. Okay, j

2064
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 2: I know you must have enjoyed that. Jay. Too bad

2065
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 2: they didn't jump over at Dolorean.

2066
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what puts me on megatilt about Jay.

2067
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: When he wants us to transition to the next question

2068
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: or segment, he does it with this tone that makes

2069
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: me want to hit him with a giant inflatable dong

2070
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 1: off of a boat. He'll be like, Okay, next, let's go,

2071
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: rather than being like, all right, next, you know, next question?

2072
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 1: As long as my wife right now he's he's talking.

2073
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 2: He wanted us to do shots right off.

2074
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Does you not know you have producer

2075
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 1: credits you held for I got intellectual property credits. All right,

2076
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:54,600
Speaker 1: let's do this. Okay, So here's what we have. We

2077
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:59,919
Speaker 1: have this Los Ermanos terrible tequila.

2078
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 2: Uh why why don't we release the Kraken?

2079
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 1: What do you think? What do you think? And then

2080
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: we got we have three olives. I'm looking at three olives.

2081
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 1: Go back, go back, go back that one, three olives.

2082
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:11,519
Speaker 1: And then we got the Yeager. We got the I

2083
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 1: feel like there's not enough for both of us to

2084
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: have Yeager though. Yeah, then I was My choice was

2085
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 1: between this and the Punisher, so I went with Old Joker.

2086
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 2: So we have to christen this set, Luke, Okay, do

2087
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 2: we have to keep? Do we have to do some

2088
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 2: kind of weird Colombian ritual where we stripped down and

2089
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 2: pull our pants.

2090
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: That's not a Colombian ritual, that's just you being weird.

2091
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: I only did the Columbian thing with Danny because he's

2092
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:37,919
Speaker 1: also Colombian.

2093
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 2: Well, we did the Colombian thing on our drinking episode

2094
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 2: two we closed down.

2095
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 1: If you remember, I was also very drunk and also

2096
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: mad at you. Okay, well how about this, Hey, were

2097
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: you ever going to look over that grudge? Yes, I

2098
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 1: love you, It's fine. We're great. People think that we

2099
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,680
Speaker 1: that we hate each other, Brian. Brian is one of

2100
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 1: the great things that's happened to me in my career.

2101
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 1: I truly mean that, I really, I really care about you.

2102
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes I want to kill you, but I also I

2103
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 1: love I think you have great views. I really respect you,

2104
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 1: and uh, even though you make me watch dogs every Monday.

2105
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 2: And that's why I didn't hit the people with that

2106
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 2: with that video that's out there of you in Eminem

2107
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 2: trying to get a selfie.

2108
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 1: No, I wasn't trying to get self with Eminem. I

2109
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: was trying to torture one of my one of our interns,

2110
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 1: which people again, because they're stupid, don't.

2111
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 2: You're allowed not to like you know, Stripper Poles or Eminem.

2112
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 1: Here, No, we have you, then you want you to

2113
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 1: do the toast.

2114
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 2: Hey, Look, this is to the future of Morning Combat.

2115
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:29,639
Speaker 2: About one day we go Afternoon Combat, late night Patreon Combat.

2116
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 2: All bets are off on that show you combat. Even

2117
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 2: in combat, we're gonna be at We're gonna be on

2118
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 2: the road. We're gonna be doing big things together, all right,

2119
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,839
Speaker 2: so enjoy it. Thank you to the team at Showtime

2120
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 2: that Malca at uh are amazing, amazing fans out there.

2121
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: Look and I will say salutes everyone watching. I'll say

2122
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 1: thank you to Showtime and Malca for making all of

2123
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 1: this possible. This is to you and to to great possibilities.

2124
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 2: Hey, let's do this thing. Shoot your shot, all right?

2125
01:25:54,360 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 1: Did you put your dick in here first? Right? Yeah?

2126
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 1: I love that. I was really, really tasty.

2127
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 2: I would do a second one, Luca. I'm that kind

2128
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 2: of guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, Time for social, time for social. Here's our social.

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Speaker 1: Put the graphics up. Jesus Christ. I feel like at

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Speaker 1: balls all of a sudden.

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Speaker 2: Most most men just take the shot and they just

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Speaker 2: bite down.

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Speaker 1: I know I don't normally feel this way after shots,

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Speaker 1: but that was wow. Okay, you can follow me on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Here is Brian there right now.

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Speaker 2: This guy's struggling.

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Speaker 1: So then you got morning combat. We're on Instagram. We're

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Speaker 1: not on Twitter. What we use blow the belt for Twitter.

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Speaker 1: We're on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: We really make morning combat on Twitter. Reality.

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Speaker 1: You know what we got to you know what we

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Speaker 1: have to do before we do that, we have to

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Speaker 1: add subs. If you are watching, please like the video

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Speaker 1: and subscribe to the channel. Tell folks about it, let

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Speaker 1: people know, word of mouth, spread it around social media, email,

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Speaker 1: whatever you got to do, let folks know about it.

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Speaker 1: Please do that.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to say that we've heard your many

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Speaker 2: cries for merch? It is there on the horizon. I

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Speaker 2: do want to shout out one guy on Instagram at

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Speaker 2: Sammy s a m i Q zero eight nine, at

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Speaker 2: Sammy Q zero eight nine, who created this incredible zoom

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Speaker 2: right here? Can you zoom in here? Jake less than

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Speaker 2: Jake a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit more than Jake less than Jake good sky band.

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Speaker 2: Who created this incredible design here. Wow, that's about as

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Speaker 2: good as it gets right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we see what you have said. We have

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Speaker 1: heard it. Believe me, Showtime has heard it. We're working

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Speaker 1: on it. Look, look here's the thing. Let me just

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Speaker 1: say this last weetle and then we'll go. Yeah. You

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Speaker 1: might be like, why didn't you guys do this set

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Speaker 1: the first time when you rolled out normally, Because we

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Speaker 1: rolled out normally. Showtime in Malka put this whole project

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Speaker 1: together in what nine twenty ten days? I couldn't believe,

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Speaker 1: like insane how fast it was, and rather than just

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Speaker 1: doing it very quickly, they decided to wait till the

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Speaker 1: new year have a big twenty twenty refresh. Well, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the twenty twenty refresh.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the old set used to look? Like

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Speaker 2: you said earlier something about somebody having a period?

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Speaker 1: Viewers?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okays, wow, wow, Well right, Luca, they're not wrong.

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Speaker 2: But hey, we made it out of the bomb shelter

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Speaker 2: and uh and I'm proud to be at the spot. Okay, look,

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Speaker 2: you know when this show started, Luke, who knows?

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Speaker 1: Right? Who knows? Okay, Bro, it's still touching go? All right? Still,

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Speaker 1: I mean shit, bro, it's still touching go. So that

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Speaker 1: means we need you to subscribe. Not people like, oh,

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Speaker 1: how can we help you? You know, you can help us. Subscribe.

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Speaker 1: Send to somebody else who should subscribe.

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Speaker 2: Support our other stuff, Luke, you're doing great stuff there.

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Speaker 2: We I don't care about this ribe.

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Speaker 1: I just I don't want to get a confused. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to muddle the message. Keep the message clear. Subscribe, subscribe, subscribe,

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Speaker 1: that's what we need, all right, Brian. Check out our

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Speaker 1: podcast on radio dot com. Or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much my friend, Uh you can you?

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah. Well that's it for Brian, I'm Luke. Until

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Speaker 1: next time, May all of your games be lawyer

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Speaker 2: Back.