1
00:00:30,319 --> 00:00:32,559
Speaker 1: Hats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and

2
00:00:32,598 --> 00:00:35,119
Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the

3
00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,039
Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history. Joined

4
00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:40,319
Speaker 1: by the newest member of the Patriots Hall Fame, Mike Gravel.

5
00:00:40,439 --> 00:00:42,519
Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments

6
00:00:42,519 --> 00:00:45,519
Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight.

7
00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:47,879
Speaker 2: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian

8
00:00:47,959 --> 00:00:50,519
Speaker 2: coy Or. Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard,

9
00:00:50,519 --> 00:00:53,159
Speaker 2: but number one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison.

10
00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:56,078
Speaker 2: Good to be home. Good to see you guys.

11
00:00:55,799 --> 00:00:58,519
Speaker 1: Search for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast.

12
00:01:00,319 --> 00:01:04,039
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, It's always good to come in here after

13
00:01:04,079 --> 00:01:07,239
Speaker 2: a victory. I thought the guys really answered the challenge

14
00:01:07,438 --> 00:01:09,679
Speaker 2: that we had all during the week. Talked about being

15
00:01:09,719 --> 00:01:12,199
Speaker 2: a physical you know, having a physical Wednesday, and I

16
00:01:12,199 --> 00:01:14,959
Speaker 2: think that showed up today really in all three phases.

17
00:01:14,999 --> 00:01:18,318
Speaker 2: But offensively, you know, we're able to really deliver those

18
00:01:18,359 --> 00:01:20,519
Speaker 2: body blows that we talked about and really staying ahead

19
00:01:20,519 --> 00:01:22,399
Speaker 2: of the sticks. You know. The prior week, it's a

20
00:01:22,399 --> 00:01:24,919
Speaker 2: lot of second and long situations that really took us

21
00:01:24,919 --> 00:01:26,958
Speaker 2: off track. And I would say defensively, especially on the

22
00:01:26,999 --> 00:01:29,359
Speaker 2: interior piece for the most part, and look, there are

23
00:01:29,399 --> 00:01:32,679
Speaker 2: things the correct I thought the guys played well in

24
00:01:32,679 --> 00:01:35,039
Speaker 2: the run game. Defensively, I would say we were able

25
00:01:35,078 --> 00:01:37,199
Speaker 2: to get pressure. We're able to get pressure on the quarterback.

26
00:01:37,239 --> 00:01:39,759
Speaker 2: We had nine sacks in the game, which is always good.

27
00:01:39,799 --> 00:01:41,479
Speaker 2: And I would say the back end did a good

28
00:01:41,559 --> 00:01:44,919
Speaker 2: job as far as coverage is concerned. Offensively, kind of

29
00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,519
Speaker 2: talked about the run game and look, Drake, you know,

30
00:01:47,599 --> 00:01:50,439
Speaker 2: still continues to go out there and make plays. He's

31
00:01:50,479 --> 00:01:52,599
Speaker 2: gonna make mistakes, but this is part of his evolution,

32
00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:56,359
Speaker 2: is part of his growth and development. And then special teams.

33
00:01:56,359 --> 00:01:58,559
Speaker 2: You know, it was kind of shaky there at the beginning,

34
00:01:58,559 --> 00:02:00,319
Speaker 2: but I would say as we were able to settle down,

35
00:02:00,999 --> 00:02:03,479
Speaker 2: it was good. I just want to send a I

36
00:02:03,479 --> 00:02:05,799
Speaker 2: thought the coordinators. I thought the coordinators did an excellent

37
00:02:05,879 --> 00:02:10,119
Speaker 2: job the entire week, not only, you know, reiterating the

38
00:02:10,159 --> 00:02:13,078
Speaker 2: message that I said in the squad meeting rooms, but

39
00:02:13,719 --> 00:02:15,678
Speaker 2: also just putting together a good game plan and knowing

40
00:02:15,679 --> 00:02:18,239
Speaker 2: how we have to win football games. And that's still

41
00:02:18,279 --> 00:02:21,159
Speaker 2: controlling the line of scrimmage, and kind of talked about that,

42
00:02:21,759 --> 00:02:22,559
Speaker 2: what did your.

43
00:02:22,399 --> 00:02:24,679
Speaker 1: Team do so well defensively at one hundred and forty

44
00:02:24,679 --> 00:02:27,239
Speaker 1: two total yards, only eleven first downs of the nine sacks.

45
00:02:27,239 --> 00:02:28,279
Speaker 1: What did they do well today?

46
00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:30,439
Speaker 2: It starts up front. It starts up front. I think

47
00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:32,159
Speaker 2: you know that's what we have to do. We have

48
00:02:32,239 --> 00:02:34,719
Speaker 2: to we have to go out there and uh re

49
00:02:34,839 --> 00:02:36,479
Speaker 2: establish the line of scrimmage. And we're able to do

50
00:02:36,478 --> 00:02:39,559
Speaker 2: that in all three downs a second half like schoolers

51
00:02:39,599 --> 00:02:40,919
Speaker 2: down in the ball. Seems like he was in a

52
00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,198
Speaker 2: spy tech teach. Is that another bring when you guys

53
00:02:43,199 --> 00:02:45,559
Speaker 2: had it? That? That's our that's our long horn package,

54
00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,719
Speaker 2: our long horn package. And we we've done things like

55
00:02:47,719 --> 00:02:50,119
Speaker 2: that before. And you know, again we talk about next

56
00:02:50,119 --> 00:02:52,559
Speaker 2: man up. Now you've got a guy who was primarily

57
00:02:52,599 --> 00:02:55,719
Speaker 2: a special team player making contributions is probably what his

58
00:02:55,799 --> 00:02:58,439
Speaker 2: first sack ever in his uh in his career. But uh,

59
00:02:58,479 --> 00:03:00,839
Speaker 2: he's fast, he's athletic, and he's a football player. We

60
00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,519
Speaker 2: try not to put anywhere in a box, and I'm

61
00:03:02,519 --> 00:03:03,279
Speaker 2: not gonna put him one.

62
00:03:04,999 --> 00:03:05,119
Speaker 1: Uh.

63
00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,439
Speaker 2: Drake asked AVP if he could address the offense, what

64
00:03:08,479 --> 00:03:09,798
Speaker 2: do you know about that? And what does that say

65
00:03:09,799 --> 00:03:15,119
Speaker 2: about Drake? Look, Drake has addressed the offense numerous times.

66
00:03:15,159 --> 00:03:17,279
Speaker 2: I think this is it goes back to now he's

67
00:03:17,279 --> 00:03:20,559
Speaker 2: starting to really take control of of the offense and

68
00:03:20,599 --> 00:03:21,959
Speaker 2: the team. I mean, when you go out there and

69
00:03:21,999 --> 00:03:23,999
Speaker 2: you perform at a high level, that's the first step.

70
00:03:24,038 --> 00:03:25,639
Speaker 2: The next step is to bring others with you, and

71
00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,199
Speaker 2: I think he's, uh, he's on his way to doing that.

72
00:03:28,239 --> 00:03:31,719
Speaker 2: Play factor in the Nut Sacks coverage was huge. You know,

73
00:03:31,799 --> 00:03:33,959
Speaker 2: all of those guys in the back end again, you

74
00:03:33,959 --> 00:03:36,039
Speaker 2: know we had the young safeties out there, and Gonzell

75
00:03:36,079 --> 00:03:38,399
Speaker 2: continues to play at a very high level. I'd also

76
00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:40,879
Speaker 2: say John Jones, you know, he's one of those guys

77
00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:43,479
Speaker 2: you can put him at you know, as a slot corner,

78
00:03:43,559 --> 00:03:45,679
Speaker 2: put him outside, put him in the back end. Just

79
00:03:45,719 --> 00:03:48,599
Speaker 2: a veteran player that again goes in that box of

80
00:03:48,839 --> 00:03:50,719
Speaker 2: he's a football player and wherever you ask him to go,

81
00:03:50,759 --> 00:03:53,519
Speaker 2: he'll go out there and try to perform. You've had

82
00:03:53,519 --> 00:03:54,839
Speaker 2: how much is your mind in this game?

83
00:03:54,919 --> 00:03:55,599
Speaker 1: Is in John?

84
00:03:55,759 --> 00:04:00,159
Speaker 2: Just stopping strands the matchups in regards to.

85
00:04:01,399 --> 00:04:02,839
Speaker 1: How much of this game do you believe would be

86
00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:05,159
Speaker 1: if we contains big game?

87
00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:07,919
Speaker 2: Oh, that was definitely a huge part of it. You

88
00:04:07,919 --> 00:04:09,519
Speaker 2: know we've said that you know, if you were to

89
00:04:09,559 --> 00:04:12,439
Speaker 2: take away just our third down, you know, penalties in

90
00:04:12,479 --> 00:04:14,759
Speaker 2: our third down, letting the quarterback out of the pocket,

91
00:04:14,759 --> 00:04:16,599
Speaker 2: over the course of the season, we would be much better.

92
00:04:16,719 --> 00:04:18,719
Speaker 2: And I would say today I think they had one

93
00:04:18,799 --> 00:04:21,479
Speaker 2: third down conversion, not necessarily sure what it was, and

94
00:04:21,719 --> 00:04:24,439
Speaker 2: then one fourth down conversion. And look again, that's that's

95
00:04:24,479 --> 00:04:26,279
Speaker 2: the recipe, and we just have to be patient enough

96
00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,719
Speaker 2: to do it on a down after down basis.

97
00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:29,959
Speaker 1: A little more drafting and developing and you get a

98
00:04:29,959 --> 00:04:32,199
Speaker 1: one contributors from young players today. How much of that

99
00:04:32,318 --> 00:04:34,118
Speaker 1: is a reflection of the playing time you know they've

100
00:04:34,119 --> 00:04:34,879
Speaker 1: received over the.

101
00:04:34,799 --> 00:04:37,599
Speaker 2: First half of the season. I'm not sure. I mean, look,

102
00:04:37,639 --> 00:04:39,519
Speaker 2: those guys, they work hard, they come to work every day,

103
00:04:39,519 --> 00:04:41,479
Speaker 2: they go on the practice field, and they try to

104
00:04:41,479 --> 00:04:43,439
Speaker 2: get better. It doesn't always show up on game day.

105
00:04:44,318 --> 00:04:47,199
Speaker 2: Fortunately for us to show it up today. Battle for

106
00:04:47,318 --> 00:04:49,719
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk, I'm nice to see him get that touchdown

107
00:04:49,719 --> 00:04:53,679
Speaker 2: and he got greeted by coaches. It was great, it

108
00:04:53,719 --> 00:04:56,719
Speaker 2: was great. You know, with young players, you never know

109
00:04:56,759 --> 00:04:59,839
Speaker 2: where that that inflection point is gonna come. You never

110
00:04:59,919 --> 00:05:02,998
Speaker 2: know when that that switch is gonna flip. And hopefully

111
00:05:03,078 --> 00:05:05,479
Speaker 2: this is the start of you know, him being a

112
00:05:05,599 --> 00:05:08,159
Speaker 2: very good receiver in this league. We never doubted him

113
00:05:08,159 --> 00:05:10,238
Speaker 2: in the locker room, and I think that's important. You know,

114
00:05:10,719 --> 00:05:12,639
Speaker 2: it's been a lot of outside noise and he's had

115
00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:14,519
Speaker 2: to deal with the outside noise. But when it's all

116
00:05:14,519 --> 00:05:15,839
Speaker 2: said and done, if you go out and do it

117
00:05:15,879 --> 00:05:17,799
Speaker 2: on the field, it's not much people can say.

118
00:05:17,919 --> 00:05:20,879
Speaker 1: You talked about putting the players out there that give

119
00:05:20,919 --> 00:05:22,398
Speaker 1: you the best chance to win. At receiver.

120
00:05:22,479 --> 00:05:24,359
Speaker 2: You guys got a lot of receivers today we didn't

121
00:05:24,359 --> 00:05:28,679
Speaker 2: see Kendrick. Was that like just practice kJ perform better

122
00:05:28,719 --> 00:05:32,159
Speaker 2: at practice? Like what was the thought? Says? There was

123
00:05:32,198 --> 00:05:36,159
Speaker 2: a lot that went into that, you know, anytime we

124
00:05:36,198 --> 00:05:38,719
Speaker 2: put the the active roster together, I mean you said

125
00:05:38,719 --> 00:05:40,719
Speaker 2: it like we thought that that was the best thing

126
00:05:41,078 --> 00:05:43,039
Speaker 2: to do for us to give us the best chance

127
00:05:43,039 --> 00:05:44,999
Speaker 2: to win. All those guys bring a certain skill set

128
00:05:45,239 --> 00:05:48,319
Speaker 2: to the game. We just didn't know who who was

129
00:05:48,359 --> 00:05:50,639
Speaker 2: gonna play more, and it just played out that way.

130
00:05:50,678 --> 00:05:53,039
Speaker 2: But I will say this, you know, even though Borne

131
00:05:53,078 --> 00:05:56,159
Speaker 2: didn't play today, it was the first one smiling when

132
00:05:56,159 --> 00:05:58,518
Speaker 2: I walked in the locker room. And I've always appreciated that,

133
00:05:58,719 --> 00:06:01,439
Speaker 2: you know, just his energy and excitement. Same thing you

134
00:06:01,479 --> 00:06:03,679
Speaker 2: know with kJ and the rest of those guys. Sometimes

135
00:06:03,678 --> 00:06:06,039
Speaker 2: they you know, even when they're inactive, just the excitement

136
00:06:06,318 --> 00:06:08,439
Speaker 2: you know, for their teammates. And you know, we talk

137
00:06:08,479 --> 00:06:12,118
Speaker 2: about abundance versus scarcity, abundance versus scarcity and having that

138
00:06:12,519 --> 00:06:16,518
Speaker 2: mindset of abundance where we can all eat versus scarcely.

139
00:06:16,558 --> 00:06:18,799
Speaker 2: If you have that scarcity mindset, you know, you don't

140
00:06:18,799 --> 00:06:20,439
Speaker 2: want your teammate to do well because it's only a

141
00:06:20,438 --> 00:06:22,359
Speaker 2: certain amount of the pie. And what I will say,

142
00:06:22,438 --> 00:06:24,318
Speaker 2: the mindset of this team is that if we go

143
00:06:24,359 --> 00:06:25,878
Speaker 2: out there, there are enough plays to be made for

144
00:06:25,879 --> 00:06:26,959
Speaker 2: all of us. We just got to go out and

145
00:06:26,999 --> 00:06:29,279
Speaker 2: next to you, I know that was a long answer,

146
00:06:29,318 --> 00:06:31,079
Speaker 2: but I thought, is gonna get philosophical.

147
00:06:32,759 --> 00:06:35,879
Speaker 1: You guys ended the first half clock management being able

148
00:06:35,919 --> 00:06:37,639
Speaker 1: to execute in that situation.

149
00:06:38,039 --> 00:06:41,158
Speaker 2: Yeah, Situational football has definitely been a strength of ours,

150
00:06:41,558 --> 00:06:43,679
Speaker 2: you know, especially over the last few weeks, Like you know,

151
00:06:43,719 --> 00:06:46,039
Speaker 2: the different situations that show up depending on the clock

152
00:06:46,119 --> 00:06:49,159
Speaker 2: and the score and the time out situation. I would say, again,

153
00:06:49,599 --> 00:06:52,079
Speaker 2: we were ahead of the game and it's great to

154
00:06:52,078 --> 00:06:54,638
Speaker 2: see when it comes to fruition, learn.

155
00:06:54,599 --> 00:06:57,638
Speaker 1: Something more about your team today or through something to

156
00:06:57,678 --> 00:06:59,439
Speaker 1: everyone else watching.

157
00:06:58,879 --> 00:07:01,999
Speaker 2: You guys, yeah, to me, like the only the only

158
00:07:01,999 --> 00:07:04,319
Speaker 2: people I'm really concerned with other people in that locker room.

159
00:07:04,438 --> 00:07:07,479
Speaker 2: And I've always known that these guys they're gonna give

160
00:07:07,599 --> 00:07:09,719
Speaker 2: great effort no matter what. And that's why Wednesday we

161
00:07:09,759 --> 00:07:11,879
Speaker 2: talk about changing the page when loser draw, and I

162
00:07:11,919 --> 00:07:14,199
Speaker 2: think that's a good mindset to have. You can't get

163
00:07:14,239 --> 00:07:16,039
Speaker 2: too high, I can't get too low. And I would

164
00:07:16,039 --> 00:07:18,199
Speaker 2: say we have you know, that's the leadership all the

165
00:07:18,199 --> 00:07:23,119
Speaker 2: way to the players, and they've done that. Joey slide

166
00:07:23,159 --> 00:07:26,038
Speaker 2: a huge, you know, to go out there and be

167
00:07:26,078 --> 00:07:28,839
Speaker 2: four for four, to have a new baby at home,

168
00:07:29,078 --> 00:07:31,559
Speaker 2: you know, less than a week o and little Palmer

169
00:07:32,239 --> 00:07:35,319
Speaker 2: and I would I would throw Jelani Tavan there as well.

170
00:07:35,399 --> 00:07:37,239
Speaker 2: Had you know his fiance had a baby a couple

171
00:07:37,279 --> 00:07:39,679
Speaker 2: of days ago. I knew. I I think I said

172
00:07:39,679 --> 00:07:43,079
Speaker 2: that right, And it means earth uh and in that language,

173
00:07:43,119 --> 00:07:45,759
Speaker 2: but you know it means a lot. And anytime you know,

174
00:07:45,879 --> 00:07:48,639
Speaker 2: Karrier goes out there and it kicks, he's perfect. There's

175
00:07:48,679 --> 00:07:50,199
Speaker 2: nothing I can say bad about that.

176
00:07:51,559 --> 00:07:53,319
Speaker 1: Williams had struggled the last few games.

177
00:07:53,319 --> 00:07:54,279
Speaker 2: What did you see from him?

178
00:07:54,279 --> 00:07:57,759
Speaker 1: Today's for permans versus maybe earlier this season with the

179
00:07:57,799 --> 00:07:59,759
Speaker 1: team that you started against game.

180
00:07:59,879 --> 00:08:01,639
Speaker 2: I still believe that Caleb Williams would be a very

181
00:08:01,679 --> 00:08:04,359
Speaker 2: good player in this league. But just like any rookie,

182
00:08:04,479 --> 00:08:06,879
Speaker 2: he's gonna go through his ups and downs. It doesn't

183
00:08:06,919 --> 00:08:09,479
Speaker 2: matter what position you play, uh, but he'll be a

184
00:08:09,519 --> 00:08:11,439
Speaker 2: special player. He's got to stick to Thanks Austen.

185
00:08:12,039 --> 00:08:14,879
Speaker 1: Patriots Playbook, join John Rook as he brings you all

186
00:08:14,879 --> 00:08:18,278
Speaker 1: the latest Patriots Talk an expert commentary direct from Patriots HP.

187
00:08:18,958 --> 00:08:21,359
Speaker 1: The show features interviews with New England and Opponent beat

188
00:08:21,359 --> 00:08:23,398
Speaker 1: writers that bring you a unique media view of the

189
00:08:23,439 --> 00:08:25,639
Speaker 1: state of the team for where the Patriots are concerned.

190
00:08:25,839 --> 00:08:28,159
Speaker 1: Let's just get one thing done and let's get it

191
00:08:28,199 --> 00:08:31,359
Speaker 1: done right and then we can work about versatility. Am

192
00:08:31,399 --> 00:08:34,078
Speaker 1: I lying to anybody here? Let's just get one thing done.

193
00:08:34,199 --> 00:08:36,879
Speaker 1: Let's get one thing done right, and then we can

194
00:08:36,958 --> 00:08:39,759
Speaker 1: move along. That's kind of my biggest thing. Search Patriots

195
00:08:39,759 --> 00:08:41,919
Speaker 1: Playbook anywhere you get your podcasts.