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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: All right, third hour Clay and Buck starts right now,

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Speaker 2: and we have with us our friend Andy McCarthy of

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Speaker 2: Fox News, where he's a contributor and National Review. Former

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Speaker 2: federal prosecutor in the Southern District for over twenty years. Andy,

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Speaker 2: it's quite a lot to take in after yesterday when

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Speaker 2: Trump announced on truth Social that he was expecting imminent

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Speaker 2: felony federal charges related to January sixth. Just first off,

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Speaker 2: we wanted to get your thirty thousand foot view of

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Speaker 2: this now latest chapter in the Get Trump with the

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Speaker 2: Law saga.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks, guys. My view of the substance of the

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Speaker 3: case hasn't changed in the last two months, actually going

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Speaker 3: back further than that, but two months ago. I think

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Speaker 3: is important because this Supreme Court, in two cases involving

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Speaker 3: former i guess cronies of former Governor Andrew Cuomo, reversed

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Speaker 3: convictions throughout convictions where the government had tried to stretch

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Speaker 3: the envelope on the vague concept of fraud as it's

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Speaker 3: been distorted in some federal law. And you know, they

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Speaker 3: really admonished prosecutors not to get creative Congress hasn't hasn't

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Speaker 3: clearly codified a crime, you're not supposed to bring the crime.

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Speaker 3: And I thought that was a blow to the Trump

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Speaker 3: investigation because to the extent that it's been reported that

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Speaker 3: they wanted to go down the down the lane of

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Speaker 3: you know, this this vapory concept of conspiracy to defraud

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Speaker 3: the government, or this concept of whether obstruction of Congress

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Speaker 3: was committed corruptly, because we're all allowed to try to

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Speaker 3: influence Congress, of course, is whether you do it lawlessly.

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Speaker 3: This is exactly the sort of thing the Supreme Court

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Speaker 3: warned against. Unless you have a fraud that involves a

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Speaker 3: deceptive scheme to get money or traditional property, which means

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Speaker 3: like tangible assets, you don't have a fraud case under

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Speaker 3: federal law. So I really thought that Smith would instead

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Speaker 3: of bringing in indictment, that he would probably write a

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Speaker 3: report to lay out all the icky stuff that Trump

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Speaker 3: did in connection with the stop the Steel thing, but

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Speaker 3: not actually bring charges. So it looks like now he's

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Speaker 3: going down the path of bringing charges, and I guess

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Speaker 3: that the timing of it is because he feels like

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Speaker 3: was the Fulton County prosecutor in the pipeline, because it's

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Speaker 3: going If they want to push this case to trial

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Speaker 3: in the next few months, I don't know if they

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Speaker 3: can do it, but if he lets yet another prosecutor

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Speaker 3: be very difficult.

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Speaker 4: Andy Buck's been kind of the rain on my sunshine

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Speaker 4: here because I want to get your opinion on this.

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Speaker 4: You prosecuted for a long time, and you're a fabulous

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Speaker 4: guest analyzing all this stuff. But big picture, when you see,

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Speaker 4: and I'm speaking here as a lawyer as well, when

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Speaker 4: you see what is clearly a two tier justice system

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Speaker 4: the likes of which most of us have not ever

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Speaker 4: seen in our life. In other words, we've got an

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Speaker 4: Inspector Javet situation for the lay Mez fans out there,

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Speaker 4: where you know, Trump steals a loaf of bread and

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Speaker 4: he's gonna get you know, they're gonna put him in

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Speaker 4: prison for the rest of his life. And meanwhile, it

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Speaker 4: seems quite clear that the Biden family was engaged in

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Speaker 4: all sorts of criminal shenanigans. Nothing happens to the Bidens,

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Speaker 4: and they're throwing the book at Trump can you. I

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Speaker 4: can't justify it as a lawyer, right, Like we're supposed

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Speaker 4: to believe that justice is blind. There's a reason why

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Speaker 4: Lady Justice sits there with the blindfold on, with the

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Speaker 4: scales of justice. I am blown away by what Merrick

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Speaker 4: Garland has allowed to happen in this Department of Justice,

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Speaker 4: and by frankly, what I'm seeing, not as a Republican

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Speaker 4: basic justice for all?

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Speaker 3: Are you not anymore? Clay? I was during the Obama years,

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Speaker 3: but I think that, you know, really, for the last

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Speaker 3: eight years, we've had the criminal justice apparatus of the

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Speaker 3: government leveraged on behalf of Democratic Party politics, whether it

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Speaker 3: was through the Obama Justice Department, the special counsels that

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Speaker 3: pursued investigations against Trump even after it was clear. I mean,

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Speaker 3: when Bob Muller got that case, they had known for

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Speaker 3: five months that there was no Trump Russia conspiracy. Yet

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Speaker 3: they not only yet he not only investigated it for

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Speaker 3: I are lawyers. We want to believe in the rule

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Speaker 4: So what do you I'm sad to say that I agree,

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Speaker 4: and I'm just stunned at how bad things have continued

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Speaker 1: What do you think the motivation is here?

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Speaker 4: So yesterday Buck and I both argue this is political

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Speaker 4: that we think that basically the Democrats have decided that

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Speaker 4: this strengthens Trump in the general Republican primary, and they

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Speaker 4: want him as the nominee because they think he's beatable

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Speaker 4: based upon what they saw in twenty twenty. Do you

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Speaker 4: buy into that or do you think, oh, they're trying

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Speaker 4: able to run. What's the actual motivation here from your perspective?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you said that, because I you know,

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Speaker 3: I've been saying for well over a year that that's

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Speaker 3: exactly what's going on. And you know, people told me

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Speaker 3: I was crazy at the beginning, but you know, look

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Speaker 3: the way the criminal justice system works, it tees up

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Speaker 3: exactly for what the Democrats want to accomplish. Here. The

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Speaker 3: indictment will get people who are the base of the

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Speaker 3: Republican party. It's party bases that elect candidates in a

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Speaker 3: primary cycle. It's going to get them all whipped up.

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Speaker 3: It already has so that not only does Trump go

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Speaker 3: up every time one of these Democratic prosecutors indict him,

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Speaker 3: and obviously if they thought it was bad for them,

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Speaker 3: they wouldn't continue doing this. Right, We're talking about three

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Speaker 3: different Democratic prosecutors right now. Every time they indict him,

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Speaker 3: to the extent they want to get Trump nominated. And

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Speaker 3: then what happens down the line in a criminal prosecution

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Speaker 3: now you play into a different audience because nationally Trump

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Speaker 3: has never been nearly as popular as he is with

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Speaker 3: already got a lot of people who are against him. Now,

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Speaker 3: when you get to the trial phase of these things

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Speaker 3: So it helps him get nominated and it will assure

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Speaker 2: Andy, can I ask you about the timing of all

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Speaker 2: this as well, because we think that's a really important component.

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Speaker 2: Here are they you know, I'm sure the Trump team

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Speaker 2: so far with the South Florida there's so many prosecutions

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Speaker 2: we have to keep like a you know, a bulletin

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Speaker 2: the South Florida prosecution, the strategy is going to be

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Speaker 2: to delay that, right, meaning the Trump defense attorneys are

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Speaker 2: trying to delay it. Let's say Jack Smith comes out

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Speaker 2: with incitement to insurrection and he goes for the top

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Speaker 2: possible count the biggest He's taken, the biggest shot possible. Here,

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Speaker 2: is it realistic in your mind that a DC judge

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Speaker 2: how do you see that happening? I mean, because to me,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be it would be very hard to

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Speaker 3: get this case rapidly to trial, buck if this was

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Speaker 3: the only thing on Trump's dance card. But he's not

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Speaker 3: only got the New York prosecution already scheduled for trial

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Speaker 3: in March, with pre trial hearings starting in December. Much overlooked,

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Speaker 3: I think, is the fact that he's got a civil

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Speaker 3: fraud trial also in New York from the Attorney General there,

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Speaker 3: Letitia James, that starts on October third. Now you have

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Speaker 3: He brings a classified information layden case in Florida, which

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Speaker 3: means he's under the Classified Information Procedures Act, where you

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Speaker 3: basically have to have a pre trial. Trial of the trial,

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Speaker 3: the judge has to rule on all the classified information

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Speaker 3: because you've got to get people cleared. You have to

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Speaker 3: pry the evidence away from the intelligence community. It's not

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Speaker 3: And it's a very complicated case. I don't think he's

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Speaker 3: going for incitement to insurrection because the Justice Department has

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Speaker 3: is a federal crime. Congress could make it a crime

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Speaker 3: if they could articulate something specific enough, but they haven't.

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Speaker 5: So wait, so just be clear.

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Speaker 2: Any so, all the federal charges then that are brought

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Speaker 2: currently and possible and perspective, you think they may not

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Speaker 1: Is that where you are, which.

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Speaker 3: Means it'll never His best shot buck is to win

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Speaker 3: After the charges against Trump and the weaponizing of the

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Speaker 3: and all this stuff about can Trump pardon himself or

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Speaker 3: will Trump be pardoned? It's nonsense. If the Republicans win

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Speaker 3: the election, the Republican Attorney general when the next administration,

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Speaker 3: So that's at least the federal cases, they'll just disappear.

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Speaker 3: That's his best shot.

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Speaker 4: the testimony that's going on right now from the irs whistleblowers?

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Speaker 2: Andy McCarthy, everybody look for his latest on National Review. Andy,

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that's pretty integral, buck And this has

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Speaker 5: You ready for it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Nothing.

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Speaker 2: It's a two step process. Right now, nothing's going to happen.

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Speaker 4: a Trump appointee. This is a flagrantly, flagrantly unacceptable in

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Speaker 4: and that this plea agreement should not be signed off on.

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Speaker 1: By a judge.

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Speaker 4: If she signs off on this, I will be incredibly

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Speaker 4: disappointed because she has a job for life. She doesn't

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Speaker 4: have to worry about what somebody in the Biden crime

443
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Speaker 4: family is going to do to her. She doesn't have

444
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Speaker 4: to worry about some Democrat and what they're going to

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Speaker 4: do to her. All she has to do is stand

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Speaker 4: up for the rule of law and refuse to allow

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Speaker 4: this plea agreement to be pushed through.

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Speaker 2: I told people in twenty twenty, with the court challenges,

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Speaker 2: I said, and I said, how do you know that

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Speaker 2: this is not going to work? How do you know

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Speaker 2: that even in places where they clearly violated state law,

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Speaker 2: for example, to advantage Biden in that presidential election against Trump.

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Speaker 2: I said, It's not some complicated legal analysis. These judges

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Speaker 2: don't want to be hounded in public. They don't want

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Speaker 2: their kids to be harassed. They don't you know. It

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Speaker 2: just came down to that, and that turned out for

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Speaker 2: a lot of them. They didn't even take They wouldn't

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Speaker 2: even look at the case. They're like, ah, no, sorry,

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Speaker 2: not gonna no interest, no interest, right yeah, with this

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Speaker 2: to your point about lifetime tenure, Yeah, that's why they

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Speaker 2: have it. So that there's not those saying professional pressures

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Speaker 2: of how do you, you know, fade yourself and your family.

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Speaker 2: But people like to they like to be liked at

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Speaker 2: the country club, you know, they like people to stop.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's a judge or a TV personality or a politician,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if this judge is

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Speaker 2: ready think about the heat that she would bring down

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Speaker 2: on herself from the psycho libs, I mean, from the

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Speaker 2: truly insane Democrat left. If she if she effectively put

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden back in on the hot seat, you think

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Speaker 2: she's up.

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Speaker 5: I mean, maybe she's I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what the job of a judge is.

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Speaker 4: It's not to be concerned about what people outside of

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Speaker 4: you know, the external noise. And I don't understand this

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Speaker 4: whole idea of oh, I'm worried about what somebody at

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Speaker 4: the country club and is gonna think about me?

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't, am. I am I totally rare buck

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Speaker 1: in that I.

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Speaker 4: Genuinely don't care at all what anybody when I walk

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Speaker 4: into a restaurant I have. I mean, unless it's somebody

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Speaker 4: spitting on my food or like trying to make me ill.

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Speaker 4: I don't care what anybody thinks about me in the restaurant.

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Speaker 2: Are you asking me if your unusual in this regard,

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Speaker 2: because the answer is yes, My people are. Most people

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Speaker 2: are quietly obsessed with what their peer group thinks about

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Speaker 2: them and whether they have peer approbation or not.

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Speaker 4: I mean, my peer group hates me. In media, sports media,

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Speaker 4: they hate me. They despise me because I think, well,

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Speaker 4: I don't even worry about it, but or think about

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Speaker 4: it very much. But yes, I would be despised probably

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Speaker 4: in the sports media universe. But unless you're trying to, like,

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Speaker 4: unless you're gonna harm my food or harm my family's food.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I need a food taster now. I genuinely don't

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Speaker 4: care when I walk in what anybody thinks about me.

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Speaker 4: I think that's and if I were a judge, you

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Speaker 4: have lifetime tenure. Nobody can do anything to you. You

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Speaker 4: have to do what's right. And that's what's so disappointing.

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Speaker 4: If you listen to our conversation with Andy McCarthy when

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Speaker 4: we were talking to him at the top of this hour,

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Speaker 4: I'd encourage you to go back and listen because he's

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Speaker 4: a super smart guy. That's why I'm so disappointed in

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Speaker 4: the justice system in general. Buck is that it's one

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Speaker 4: thing if the standard is we're going to apply the

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Speaker 4: rule of law aggressively and everybody gets charged and everybody's

506
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Speaker 4: getting let out, purple walks everything else. I don't think

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Speaker 4: that's the right result for the country. But it's consistent

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Speaker 4: the idea that we have created the most two tiered

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Speaker 4: justice system in my life, and that many people are

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Speaker 4: totally fine with it who are otherwise involved in the

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Speaker 4: legal process. I give credit to Alan Dershowitz here. This

512
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Speaker 4: is one of the things that I think he's been

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Speaker 4: one hundred percent right about, and I love having him

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Speaker 4: on the show. He is pointing out that in their

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Speaker 4: quest to get Trump, Democrats have destroyed the judiciary, and

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Speaker 4: it is like, just it's galling to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And yet we sit here and think, if we

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Speaker 2: want again, who'd like the clouds to get a little

519
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: stormy and the rain to start, so to speak? How

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00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: many people have resigned resigned in protests at the DOJ,

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Speaker 2: at the FBI, at the IRS, at the obvious weaponization

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Speaker 2: of the system against or in favor of, depending on

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Speaker 2: who we're talking about, individuals over politics.

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Speaker 5: Basically none I.

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Speaker 4: Will defend some people there, but you're right, and standing

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Speaker 4: on principle is important. I think a lot of people

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Speaker 4: if you're making seventy five thousand dollars a year and

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Speaker 4: you are worried about paying your mortgage and taking care

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Speaker 4: of your family, I think a lot of those people

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Speaker 4: are they don't have the resources to be able to

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Speaker 4: stand on principle.

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Speaker 1: And take care of their family simultaneously.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've been that guy, truly. I have taken

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Speaker 2: that money working for the government. I know what it

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Speaker 2: is like, and I get it. But I'm just saying

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Speaker 2: when you're talking about all but people should be willing

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Speaker 2: to be principled principles.

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Speaker 5: When you don't have a lot of money in the bank.

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Speaker 2: You got credit card bills at a mortgage, people feel

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Speaker 2: very different about their Well, that's.

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Speaker 4: The judge though, has lifetime tenure. She never has to

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Speaker 4: worry about her paycheck for the rest of her life.

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Speaker 4: That to me is different than a run of the

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Speaker 4: mill FBI guy or girl who's you know, the twenty

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Speaker 4: six thousand person of seniority inside of the FBI or

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Speaker 4: whatever else. And by the way, this is also frustrating

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Speaker 4: to me how many billionaires out there, Buck, know all.

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Speaker 1: Of this, know what's going on.

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Speaker 4: The rich people who have resources and refuse to speak

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Speaker 4: out publicly are the ones that I have contempt for. Like,

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Speaker 4: those are the people that really frustrate me, because if

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Speaker 4: you've got fu money one of them indications.

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Speaker 5: One of the moans the Dallas Mavericks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well he's a total pussy willow, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 4: the show here, Buck in an out Burger. I think

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Speaker 4: we talked about this earlier in the show. We kind

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Speaker 4: of teased it in and out Burger in five states

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Speaker 4: is now requiring you to have a doctor's note in

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Speaker 4: order to be wearing a mask inside of their establishment

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Speaker 4: if you're an employee. And it states like Colorado, Arizona, California.

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Speaker 4: I think five western states where the woke virus has

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Speaker 4: spread most significantly. And I want to give credit to

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Speaker 4: an Outburger because I love this. Do you remember this

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Speaker 4: back in the twenty twenty one. I think people try

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Speaker 4: to pretend this wasn't happening. But any different Blue cities,

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Speaker 4: we're trying to mandate that you show a COVID VAX

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Speaker 4: card in order to go get a hamburger at a

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Speaker 4: McDonald's or in an Alburger. And in an Alberger said, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we're not going to be asking people if they have

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Speaker 4: gotten the COVID shot before they come in and buy

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Speaker 4: a hamburger. And it was actually controversial in California that

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Speaker 4: they were willing to say that. And I know it's

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Speaker 4: crazy to even think about, but you couldn't buck you

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Speaker 4: of the New York City. You couldn't go into McDonald's

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Speaker 4: in Times Square and get a big mac without having

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Speaker 4: a COVID shot card to be able to show people.

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Speaker 2: In New York City if you wanted to go to

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Speaker 2: a restaurant and you had not gotten a shot. People,

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Speaker 2: generally speaking, not everybody, obviously, I've lived in New York

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Speaker 2: during the pandemic. They treated you like you were a

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Speaker 2: reckless monster who didn't care about other people being hurt

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Speaker 2: by your actions.

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Speaker 1: That was the ad.

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Speaker 2: That was the widespread attitude, including going to get a cheeseburger.

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Speaker 2: I remember, uh de Blasio the worst mayor in the country.

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Speaker 2: I used to think maybe Ted Wheeler in Portland, or

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Speaker 2: or who was just uh remained in Chicago.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, did build a.

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Speaker 2: Blasio is the worst, was the worst mayor in the

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Speaker 2: country when he was mayor, and and I remember he

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Speaker 2: had this whole thing where they were giving out shake

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Speaker 2: shack to people, which I will say is a very

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Speaker 2: tasty burger. I'm not gonna lie, it's a very tasty burger.

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Speaker 2: Much more liberal company in terms of ownership, but a

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Speaker 2: very tasty burger. He was they were giving out shakeshack

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Speaker 2: to people to make them get the shot. And so

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Speaker 2: it was in part like get the shot, will get

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Speaker 2: you free shake shack, and you'll actually allowed be allowed

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Speaker 2: to get the burger because you'll have the little special card.

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Speaker 2: The fact that they even had vaccine passports for people

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Speaker 2: and there were apps and all this stuff, Yes, that

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Speaker 2: should never be forgotten that the the Democrats who did

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Speaker 2: all this, these people should should never be allowed to

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Speaker 2: be in a position of power. Her Again, what they

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Speaker 2: did is is heinous. It was stupid, it was unscientific,

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Speaker 2: and I actually just saw a sort of a former

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Speaker 2: colleague of mine, if you will, who's a medical doctor.

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Speaker 2: On my flight down here yesterday and she saw me.

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Speaker 2: She came over. She had done a show as a

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Speaker 2: guest of mine play many years ago. She's an MD,

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Speaker 2: critical care MD started talking about the COVID thing and

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Speaker 2: just we kind of had a this is in the airport,

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Speaker 2: just walking together, had a therapy session.

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Speaker 5: I was like, what, I said, what happened to your profession?

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Speaker 5: She said, it's it's disgusting. It's horrible.

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Speaker 2: What what mds and do? Anyway, on to the happy

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Speaker 2: side of things on I'm a very optimistic guy. In

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Speaker 2: and Out Burgers are amazing, They're delicious. It's a great company.

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Speaker 2: I wish it was public so I could buy stock.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a private company, right, I don't think that's Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if I could buy stock, I would because I would

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Speaker 2: want to support them and be a part of this ride.

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Speaker 2: Amazingly tasty burgers and they love science and America. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and they are moving. They are East Coast headquarters to Franklin, Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: I believe, and that is my hometown. And they're soon

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Speaker 2: going to be opening In and Out Burger's here where

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Speaker 2: I will be happy to go buy Hamburgers and support truth, justice,

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Speaker 2: the American Way, and no masks anywhere. What was as

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Speaker 2: far as the eye can see, what was the other

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Speaker 2: sandwich place? You I even heard of it. You've got

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Speaker 2: all these these saying like it wasn't subway it was

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Speaker 2: the other place you said, was even Jimmy John's.

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Speaker 4: I've never been to a Jimmy john You've never been

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Speaker 4: to a Jimmy John's. Jimmy John also lives down the

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Speaker 4: street from me here in Franklin, Tennessee. Now it is

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Speaker 4: an infinitely superior, in my always humble opinion, subplace to subway,

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Speaker 4: not anti subway. I also will eat in subway, but

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Speaker 4: Jimmy John's better