1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: It is the nineteenth of September twenty twenty two, and 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: it's time for episode I believe twenty eight of Morning 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Combat Extra Credit. This is the podcast within the podcast. 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: This is where we get to some of the stuff 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: that we didn't have time for on regular MK. Hello everyone, 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: I am merely one half of your normal hosts. My 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: name is Luke Thomas. Brian Campbell of course hosts with 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: me for Regular Morning Combat, but I host just this 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: particular podcast now. Normally, what we would do on something 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: like today, of course, thumbs up on this. If you're watching, 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: hit subscribe, If you're watching on YouTube, give us a 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: nice review, if you're listening on whatever podcast platform. Normally, 13 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: what I would do here is go into some of 14 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: the extra stuff that we did not get to on 15 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: the UFC card. But for today, I decided to switch 16 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: it up a little bit because something historic happened in 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: combat sports over the weekend that has nothing to do 18 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: with that UFC card. I'd rather put my attention there, 19 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: namely ADCC twenty twenty two. This is largely considered to 20 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,639 Speaker 1: be the preeminent nogi grappling tournament in the entire sport. 21 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: Some might even argue it's the most prestigious gi or Nogi. 22 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: Obviously it's only in Nogi, but I mean, of all 23 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: the most prestigious tournaments, many would consider this to be 24 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: the apex of them all. That's a matter of debate. Obviously, 25 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: the World Championships run by the IBJJF, they happen annually, 26 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: neither here nor there. But it is obviously in a 27 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: very prestigious tournament. It is the number one tournament, certainly 28 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: in Nogi. And Gordon Ryan. Gordon Ryan made some history 29 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: over the weekend. I would like to talk about what 30 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: he did at ADCC twenty twenty two for today's program. 31 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: So with that in mind, I have three points I'd 32 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: like to make, but I want to put a pause 33 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: on that for just a second. 34 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: I want to start with an overview. First of all, 35 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: what did he do well? 36 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: He won, technically just this weekend, the ninety nine plus 37 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: kilo weight division, so he got another gold medal in 38 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: that one. He is now the first person to win 39 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: a gold medal in ADCC in three different weight classes. 40 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: He did it for I think minus eighty eight kilo, 41 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: minus ninety nine kilo and then plus ninety nine kilo. 42 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: I believe that's right. Let me verify here that very quickly. Yes, 43 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: that's correct. Now, He's also has in twenty seventeen, he 44 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: had a silver in the absolute which is independent of weight, 45 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: and he has a gold in the absolute from twenty nineteen, 46 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: and he has a gold from this weekend from the 47 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: super fight where he submitted Andre Gavan. So this now 48 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: makes him the most decorated ADCC athlete of all time. 49 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: Marcelo Garcia has four different championships in the minus seventy 50 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: seven kilo weight category from different years, So in four 51 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: different I think from two thousand and three and on 52 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: up to twenty eleven. Basically he's skipped a couple ones 53 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: in between, but he has four different notes. But in 54 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: his absolutes he never got anything. I think one silver, 55 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: maybe in one bronze. I'll double check here in just 56 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: a second, but he never won a gold. Gordon Ryan 57 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: has that, and we'll talk about where he stands as 58 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: the No. GI goat in just a minute. But I 59 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: have to tell you it was extremely, extremely impressive before 60 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: I kick off the three points, because I want to 61 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: talk about how impressive it was and put some context 62 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: behind it. Let me start though with this cloud that 63 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: hangs over ADCC, which I think is very silly and 64 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: everyone should just ignore it. Of course, this is my opinion. 65 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: People get very passionate about this issue. I'm sure someone 66 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: will see this who has a very different view, and 67 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: they might decide to tell me that I don't know 68 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: anything and this is all ridiculous. But I want to 69 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: be very clear about this because I did see some 70 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: folks saying, well, no one ever discusses this, so here 71 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: I am having a discussion upfront. By the way, this 72 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: is also discussed a lot, but I'm going to have 73 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: this right up front. ADCC does not do drug testing 74 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: in any capacity whatsoever. They don't care at all, and 75 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: I have to tell you I like that. I don't 76 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: have any issue with that whatsoever. It is not to 77 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: say that the competitors are drug free. Some of them 78 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: certainly are. Some of them are drug free in a 79 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: way where they take great pride in it. That's fine 80 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: if they choose to compete that way. But this is 81 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: a tournament that doesn't do any drug testing. I want 82 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: to tell you why I think that that is both 83 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: important and good. Folks ask me why I have such 84 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: different attitudes about drugs in sport than other folks. Let's 85 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: start with a very basic question and your answer will 86 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: define your worldview here. But I will tell you about 87 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: mine and you can make a judgment call about it 88 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: however you want. If the question is posed that what 89 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: or rather is the only role for drugs in professional 90 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: competitive sports prohibition? Is that the only role is that, 91 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: the only role performance enancing drugs should play is that 92 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: they are cast aside. They are prohibited, they are not allowed. 93 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: To me, that seems absolutely crazy and I don't support 94 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: that at all. What I support is creating a diversity 95 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: of options for athletes. That's what I believe. I do 96 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: not believe that the only role for drugs in sport 97 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: is prohibition. In fact, you can already see why that 98 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: would be potentially something you should begin to figure out 99 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: a reconcile with. For example, you have strong man, which 100 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: is a strength sport. Obviously, at the highest levels of 101 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: super heavyweight, they nominally say they do drug testing, but 102 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: they really don't. There's really for World strongest Man, for example, 103 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: Basically you can't take whatever you want, and in fact, 104 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: to compete on that level you have to. But of course, 105 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: in the sport of strongman, there's all different kinds of 106 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: different tournaments and competitions. They're adjusted for age, they're adjusted 107 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: for weight, they're adjusted for gender. They are some that do, 108 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: in fact do some testing, so that for folks who 109 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: are interested in that they can have those options. I'm 110 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: not calling for drugs to run over sport. I am 111 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: simply saying I don't think the only role the only 112 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: role is prohibition. I simply believe that fans prefer at 113 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: least some kind of alternative where there is no testing. 114 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: Ad ADCC is not merely the most prestigious no gie 115 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: grappling tournament, it's arguably the most popular tournament in all 116 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: of sport jiu jitsu. The fact that they don't drug 117 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: test the competitors is not a incidental feature of that. 118 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: That there is a direct relationship between the two, I 119 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: would put to you humbly, and more to the point, 120 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: IBJJF does do some testing through USADA. They randomly test 121 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: some of their gold medal winners. Now, I wouldn't call 122 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: that a very robust system of testing relative to what 123 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: you see in some other sports, but there is at 124 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: least something along those lines. And again, it's not the 125 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: idea that everyone should be forced to take drugs. It's 126 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: that athletes should be given the option to not only 127 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: work under a rubric of strict and total prohibition. 128 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 2: I believe that our. 129 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: Conversation around drugs and sport is fraudulent. I believe our 130 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: attitudes about prohibition being a good thing is more or 131 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: less I would say, poorly founded, not utterly unfounded. For example, 132 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: there can be one case where prohibition I think is 133 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: very good. 134 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: That would be. 135 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: Youth sports, and people who are sixteen years old should 136 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: not be taking d ball, for example. I think that's 137 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: very much backed by medical science. You would want adults 138 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: making adult choices about these kinds of things to the 139 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: extent that it is important for them, and I don't. 140 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm not working under the impression that to the extent 141 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: Gordon Ryan or Andre Galvas or anybody else, if they 142 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: in fact are using that they don't derive some benefit 143 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: from it. You could make the Tim Sylvia argument which 144 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: he made when he got caught, which was that he 145 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: just wanted to look better on the poster, and you 146 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,239 Speaker 1: did see some insane physiques out there. But I basically 147 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: just start from the premise that total prohibition. Total prohibition 148 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: seems a little bit over the line that the market 149 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: will actually reward sporting tournaments or certain sporting activities where 150 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: there is a lack of testing. I believe that people 151 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: say that they find that there is a cancerous or 152 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: negative element to it having some kind of role in sport, 153 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: that people who really believe that are actually. 154 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: Very much the minority. 155 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: And the fact that this was I think they had 156 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: sold twelve thousand or more tickets at the Thomas and 157 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: Mack Center is evidence of the fact that the consumer 158 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: base does support it. The competitors clearly have no issue 159 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: with it, and the sport still rewards the achievements as legitimate. Again, 160 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: if everything in every case where drugs were forced on them, 161 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: that could be something different. Of course, you could make 162 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: the claim that you ADCC doesn't test. IBJJF might, but 163 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: there's still not much of a difference in terms of 164 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: what they can find. Sure, we can have that conversation, 165 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: but at least giving the option to athletes and in powerlifting, 166 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: they have tested and non tested federations and you are 167 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: allowed to compete wherever you want. Gordon Ryan does not compete, 168 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: to my knowledge, at least currently anyway, in any IBJJF 169 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: testing events and that's absolutely his right. You can make 170 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: whatever inference you want that So I just want to 171 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: be very clear about this. There's a lot of folks 172 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: who are handwringing. I've seen people say, oh, well, now 173 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: it's just a question of who has the best steroids. 174 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: Let's assume for just a second, I'm going to make 175 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: an assumption for the sake of argument. That's all I'm doing. 176 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm not making a claim to knowing the truth of this. 177 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: Let's make a claim here again, for the sake of argument, 178 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: that both Andre Galvant and Gordon Ryan were Let's say, 179 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: for the sake of argument, both using I don't think 180 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: that he won because he had better drugs. In fact, 181 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure that that's even not even close to being true. 182 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: There is a lot of moralizing language that gets used 183 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: when it comes to pedes in sport, about things like 184 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: good and evil and corrupt, and I think that this 185 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: is all a bunch of nonsense. There's rational, there's irrational. 186 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: There are incentives, there are a lack of incentives, and 187 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: humans will simply respond to them no matter what the 188 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: other rules set. Being in this particular case, no one 189 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: is breaking any rules, so you can't really get mad 190 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: at him for that if they choose to then take 191 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: which again, some folks I'm sure were absolutely that's something 192 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: that they don't want for their lives, one way or 193 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: the other. It's the option, the option of giving to them. 194 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: I actually feel like performance dancing drugs, hence the name, 195 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: they make performance better. And I am very curious about 196 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: seeing sports where those kinds of drugs are not weeded 197 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: out and what it does to the sport, and it 198 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: gives athletes options to do one or the other, or 199 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: at least have some kind of choice about how they want. 200 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: To navigate those spaces. 201 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: Rank prohibition to me, is a outdated idea that I 202 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: think won't stand the test of time. Drugs are here. 203 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: The question is what we're going to do about them 204 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: and how we're going to incorporate them, and a blanket 205 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: no all the way across. I simply believe that the 206 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: consumers don't want. I believe a lot of the athletes 207 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: don't want, and I believe a lot of the moralizing 208 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: language and then the moralizing institutions around it, these are 209 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: people trying to uphold a zelotry, or I should say, 210 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: a worldview of xelotry that I think is far too 211 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 1: heavy handed. Take that for what it is worth. Now 212 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: that aside, let's talk about what Gordon Ryan did, as 213 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: I indicated, winning the plus ninety nine kilo weight division, 214 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: winning the super fight against Andre galvaugh Here are my 215 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: three points that I would like to make, and we'll 216 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: talk about some of the broader contexts in just a second. 217 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: Number one, Gordon Ryan is peerless. I cannot overstate to 218 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: you how effortless this was for him to win. He 219 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: didn't have to claw and scrape his way to get here. 220 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: He just ran over the competition. Only one person was 221 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: able to withstand the duration of the match with him, 222 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: and that was Victor Hugo, who Gordon Ryan beat eight 223 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: to nothing. So Gordon Ryan submitted, I'm gonna mispronounce his name, 224 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: but haik Husola, who is I think from Finland. Then 225 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: he beat Victor Hugo via points he had submitted his 226 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: previous opponent. He submitted Roosevelt SUSA. He submitted Nicki rod 227 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: Nick Nick Rodriguez, and then he submitted Andre Galvaughan. Didn't 228 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: surrender a single point submitted. Almost everyone dummied. The guy 229 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: who was able to last absolutely dominant from beginning to end, 230 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: and even in the case of someone like Nicki rod 231 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: understand Nicky Rod is a real big guy, fills out 232 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: in that weight class for plus nine to nine kilo 233 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: quite well. Nicki rod was a training partner for a 234 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: very long time with Gordon Ryan. In fact, it was 235 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: Gordon Ryan before there was that split off into the 236 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: B team after they left Puerto Rico for Austin. 237 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: Where in Puerto Rico and then before. 238 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: That at Henzo's they were the guys who had basically 239 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: recruited and sort of curated the career of Nicki Rodriguez. 240 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: This guy has intimate familiarity with the game and then 241 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: the evolution of the game of Gordon Ryan. He barely 242 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: lasted over two minutes. Barely lasted over two minutes, couldn't 243 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: do a thing to him. Go back, go back and 244 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: watch the match with galval is a little bit older. 245 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: I think he's close to forty years old at this point, 246 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: but he looked to be in let's say, tremendous shape 247 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: and more to that point, this is a very long 248 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: standing decorated competitor. Galvan, by the way, I think at 249 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: the last ADCC going back, had won the gold medal 250 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: in the super fight, and then twenty seventeen gold medal 251 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: in super fight, twenty fifteen gold medal in the super fight, 252 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen gold medal in the super fight, and then 253 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: in twenty eleven to won the minus eighty eight kilo 254 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: and then won the Absolute. This is not some guy 255 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: went behind the ears. This is a very very good grappler. 256 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: He could do nothing to Gordon Ryan. Understand the levels 257 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: here as well of jiu jitsu, right, It's a very 258 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: basic way to understand it. There is survive, defend, and attack. 259 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: All Galvan could do was survive and then on occasion defend. 260 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: There was no attack, hardly at all. I mean virtually 261 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: non existent, never even got to that same much less 262 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: having a successful attack or you know, an attack that 263 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: was repelled. There was just no attack. Gordon Ryan is 264 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: so far ahead of the rest of the sport it 265 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: is shocking. And I make this point all the time, 266 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: but it's worth reiterating here. I made it on Twitter. 267 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: I ask MMA fighters pro MMA fighters all the time, 268 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: how did you do this? How'd you do that? You 269 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: guys have heard me ask Max Holloway, Volkanovski, anybody I 270 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: interview I'm always trying to get little details about what 271 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: they do, and they keep their secrets very close to 272 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: the vest, which you can understand. They are, in fact, 273 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: to a degree, some kind of trade secret. At least 274 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: that's how they view them. Gordon Ryan gives away every 275 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: piece of his game that he can. He has an endless, 276 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: endless long series of attacks from half guards, top pens, 277 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: defending from the half guard. I mean every kind of 278 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: position in extraordinary detail. And now, of course you could say, 279 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: if you watched his game this weekend, you would say 280 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: it's evolved past that. I even asked him, like, how 281 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: can you give this stuff away? And he made that point. 282 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: He's like, well, one, these people won't watch by. 283 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: Competitors are too arrogant. 284 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: Number two, even if they did, by the time they 285 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: watched it, my game is already advanced past that. But nevertheless, 286 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: it is very unusual for a guy to give out 287 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: this much detail smack in the middle of his prime. 288 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: This is not some guy doing like a basic seminar 289 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: on heel hooks and like heel hook conversions and how 290 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: to set it up. And you know, it's sort of 291 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: a relatively basic but some decent details along the way, 292 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: it's not giving away a ton of his game. There 293 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: more going over, more what I would call sort of 294 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: general knowledge with some specific pieces of information included. This 295 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: is a detailed breakdown of how they do things. He 296 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: has given that out to the world. All you gotta 297 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: do is pay for it. Maybe it doesn't matter at 298 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: this point, but that is very unusual. That amount right 299 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: in the middle of a guy's run through the sport 300 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: highly unusual. So the first takeaway you should have is like, 301 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: who's the best grappler in the sport? Obviously he would 302 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: get thrashed if he went to Nogi. Gordon Ryan says 303 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: that himself he knows he can't beat the very best guys. 304 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: I'm sure he's. 305 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: Probably better than some folks think, but no, I don't 306 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: think he could win a world title there. But in 307 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: Nogi he does not have a peer, he does not 308 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: have an equal. And if he continues to get better, 309 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: and if he continues to stay healthy, if he can 310 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: and compete, God only knows how many more titles he 311 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: could add. 312 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: I don't even know who could make it competitive with him. 313 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: The guy who beat him prettybviously, Felipe Payinna couldn't make 314 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: it to the finals of his own weight category. He 315 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: was previously beaten and obviously Vinnie Magalaish had a win 316 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: over him some years ago, but is not really competitive 317 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: in the sport anymore. He's obviously a little bit older 318 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: and has moved on to a different part of his life. 319 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: I don't even know who would be number two, very 320 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: very very distant number two, to put it quite mildly, 321 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: he is absolutely phenomenal. Point number two. Someone else who 322 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: is a much more, who is much more, just has 323 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: a better grappling knowledge than he can tell you the 324 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: very very important specifics. I want to give a shout 325 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: out to this and we'll put the link in the 326 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: description box. There is a post from opennoe grappling dot 327 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: com on. 328 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 2: New Wave jiu jitsu. 329 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: New Wave is the John Danaher School, which of course 330 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: Gordon is a part of, and what they make a 331 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: point of saying is if you look at what Gordon 332 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: Ryan does, obviously he's got you know, he has a 333 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: complex web of things he can go to. If you've 334 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: looked at the way he wins, how did he win 335 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: this time? Leg lock choke from the back or you know, 336 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: he'll hook choke from the back, is really what he did. 337 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: They constantly go to a lot of the same positions, 338 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: They have setups from a lot of different scenarios to 339 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: get to those same positions, and then they have total 340 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: mastery of those positions. Simple is what they say. 341 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 2: Not easy. 342 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: Simple, not easy. And in fact, in that post one 343 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: thing that they talk about, I really encourage you to 344 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: read it. 345 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 2: You can get a much more. 346 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: Thorough breakdown of the new wave John Danaher Gordon Ryan 347 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: style from that. But one of the points that they 348 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: make is look at Habib in Mma Habib number get 349 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: made off. Habib did not have a super well rounded game, right. 350 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: He did have submissions, obviously had phenomenal wrestling and combine them. 351 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: Striking wasn't all that great. Good enough to get by 352 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: drop Connor in the second round, that's pretty good, But 353 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: he wasn't trying to do everything really well. He was 354 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: trying to do basically a certain kind of game very well. 355 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: He was trying to be as specific as possible. Think 356 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: about what Gordon Ryan has done. He rejected gi jiu 357 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: jitsu by and large, stuck with no Gee. So that's 358 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: one kind of specificity. And now in that game has 359 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of different setups to get there, but really 360 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: has kind of a game that features more or less 361 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: a couple of different directions, chokes from the back, leg entanglements, 362 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: and there's course some things in between here and there, 363 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: but it's not super complicated in that way. The details 364 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: are precise. Remember it's simple, not easy. Something to keep 365 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: in mind about what kind of games work best in 366 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: combat sports. This idea in MMA anyway, that the next 367 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: generation is always going to be they're going to be 368 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: able to do everything really well. That sounds nice in theory. 369 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: Is that actually the best way to win, to be 370 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: able to do everything really well? Or is the idea 371 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: to make some trade offs about what you do well 372 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: so that you can get a portion of the game 373 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: where you're just much better than everybody else. Something to 374 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: think about here. But his game is simple, not easy, 375 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: not easy. And that's the weird part about watching him compete. 376 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: If you just watch him compete, you just can't believe 377 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: how easy again it's not, but how easy he makes 378 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: it look. It doesn't look like he's trying. It always 379 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: looks like when you get two other guys who even 380 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: very good black belts, you know there's this like really 381 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: difficult way of trying to overcome someone else's resistance. Gordon 382 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: is very methodical and by the way, for all of 383 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: the allegations anyway that he's a user, and of course 384 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure he derives benefit from the physicality of it all, 385 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: I would say that his game doesn't really rely on 386 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: that at all. Again, it's not to say he doesn't benefit, 387 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: assuming that those things are true, but this is hardly 388 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: some kind of game that's built on brute strength, right. 389 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: This is not a guy who is like, for example, 390 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,239 Speaker 1: there's a really good black belt nam Orlando Sanchez. He's 391 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: a big guy and he has a very big guy game. 392 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: He obviously is very skilled as well. To be clear, 393 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: I think he's a Cobrina black belt. He's skilled, I 394 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: want to be one hundred percent clear about that. But 395 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: this game is obviously benefited by the fact that there's 396 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: a ton of heft and brute force. That's not really 397 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: Gordon Ryan's game, not nearly to the same extent. I think, 398 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: to the extent that one wants to make some assumptions 399 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: about whether he uses it probably would be more beneficial 400 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: on the training end. But even then, there's a technical 401 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: innovation that's a part of it. He and John Danahert 402 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: in the way in which they conceptualize jiu jitsu and 403 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: every other part of it, they are ahead of what 404 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: the other competitors understand jiu jitsu to be. It's got 405 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: nothing to. 406 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 2: Do with drugs. Three is he the no gie Goat? Yeah? 407 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: I think he is. I think he is. 408 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: As I mentioned, Marcelo has four different EIGHTYCC cycles or 409 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: in his weight class, he won a title, but he 410 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: doesn't have the Absolute to go with it. Marcelo in 411 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 1: the Absolute in two thousand and five got bronze and 412 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,959 Speaker 1: then in the Absolute in two thousand and seven just 413 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: got silver, so he did not get it there. Also, 414 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: by the way, in two thousand and seven he did 415 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: get the gold in his weight class. In two thousand 416 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: and nine he actually just got the silver straight up, 417 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: but that was you know, obviously in two thousand and 418 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: eleven he rebounded and got the gold. So that's nice. 419 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: But here's the argument for Gordon. Gordon not only has 420 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: obviously the three in the three different weight classes, which 421 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: nobody else does, he's got one in the Absolute. He 422 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: has also has a silver in the Absolute, and he 423 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: has the super Fight and here's the other part about it. 424 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: In the World Nogi Jiu Jitsu Championships, which by the way, 425 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: is an IBJJF tournament, he had gold twice in twenty eighteen, 426 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: once in the absolute, once in the ninety seven point 427 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: five kilo bracket. In twenty fifteen, as a brown belt 428 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: he also got gold, which doesn't really count for the 429 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: black belts achievement, but just world have pointed out and 430 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: in the Pan Nogi he has a black belt in 431 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: both the absolute and as well as in his weight 432 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: class of ninety seven point five kilo. So you have 433 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: the most decorated ADCC champion with in terms of IBJJF titles, 434 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: gold in the pan ams and multiple golds in the 435 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: World Championships. I don't know who's got a better resume 436 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: than that. You could say, well, what about Cobrina. Cobrina 437 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: only has three ADCC gold medals. What about half Amendus 438 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: half Amendez has two. I believe I'm verify that here 439 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: in just a second. If I get it wrong, you 440 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: can dead wrong me. I believe that's right. No one 441 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: has a metal count like this guy, not even close, 442 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: not even close. He has risen to a level at 443 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: this point now, of course, what you could also say 444 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: to interrupt my own train of thought here, what you 445 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: could say is, well, Marcelo has a bunch of titles 446 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: in the GI true. Haffamendez has a bunch of titles 447 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: in the GI. 448 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 2: True. 449 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: Gordon Ryan is not trying to be the best overall 450 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: jiu jitsu player ever g Nogi. He's the Nogi guy, 451 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 1: and I think at this point the resume he has 452 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: amassed makes him the no G goat. No, he doesn't 453 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: have the G titles, No, not even close. He is 454 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: very much one sided. But by the way, I think 455 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: is proof of his argument, which has been true for 456 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: some time, that you don't really need to train gee 457 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: to get good at nogi. It has become so much 458 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: its own kind of thing that this dual training seems 459 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: a little bit unnecessary. That might be part of it. 460 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: It gives proof to that, and it gives proof to specificity, 461 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 1: technical innovation and everything else that goes into his winning ways. 462 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: But that was a remarkable run. Didn't surrender a point 463 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: submitted five of six, I believe, or all but one 464 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: submitted all but one, including his longtime relatively speaking training partner, 465 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: and already had the IBJJF nog titles now adds in 466 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: himself as the most decorated ADCC competitor. First got to 467 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: do it across three way classes and they could. He 468 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: doesn't even have a peer. It's one of the most 469 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: remarkable combat sports performances I've ever seen, And honestly, to 470 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: see where he might go is I can't even imagine. 471 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: I don't even know what it would look like if 472 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: he keeps going where he's going. They can't touch him. 473 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: They can't touch him technically, they can't touch him anywhere. 474 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: It's insane how much better he is than the rest 475 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: of that division. I think a lot of people will 476 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: wrongly assume that this is a function of taking drugs 477 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: without really understanding the nature of his winning ways. But 478 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: this is inevitable. We are just are where we are 479 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: with folks still buying nineteen eighties drug war hysteria about 480 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: the role of drugs and society and about the role 481 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: of drugs in sport. So that's a longer debate and 482 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: a longer conversation to have. But for today, Gordon Ryan 483 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: is the guy. He's the guy. There's no one even 484 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: close what he did over the weekend in Las Vegas 485 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: will not soon be repeated. If ever, if you're not 486 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: paying attention to what Gordon Ryan is up to, you 487 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: better start thumbs up on the video hit subscribe. Thank 488 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: you guys so much for watching back next week with 489 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: some kind of extra credit I think from the Bell 490 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: Tour fights and maybe a few other things. 491 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: Give us some feedback. 492 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: Luke Thomas newstgmail dot com, what'd you like, what you're 493 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: not like? And yeah, until then, enjoy the fights.