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Speaker 1: Pay State Speaker series rolls on. It's a good day

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Speaker 1: because Joel cladd is wearing his Rose Bowl hat. And

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Speaker 1: if I wasn't already in the mood for the season,

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Speaker 1: I'm in the mood now, sir.

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Speaker 2: Do you ever take that off? Why would you ever

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Speaker 3: You know, it's my favorite hat, obviously, but yeah, if

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Speaker 3: if I'm going to be on anywhere, or I'm going

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Speaker 3: to represent my favorite game, my favorite game, it's the

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Speaker 3: Rose Bull for so for sure, I'm always going to represent.

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Speaker 1: When we got Michigan Alabama out there, if time allows,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to that. I wanted to start off with

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Speaker 1: a lot of what's buzzing in college football right now,

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Speaker 1: and it reminds me of like one of my biggest

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Speaker 1: disappointments when I was a child. I love college football

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Speaker 1: like I do now. When I was a child, though

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Speaker 1: I assumed ignorantly, as it turns out, that everyone who

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Speaker 2: I just it's kind of like when.

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Speaker 1: You're flying you don't meet the pilot, but you trust

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Speaker 1: someone who is above and beyond your intellectual capability is

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Speaker 1: running the operation. Thankfully, in the airline industry, we're right

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Speaker 1: about that. College football not so much. And I cannot

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Speaker 1: tell you how much it repeatedly crushes me when I

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Speaker 1: see just horrific decision making happen, which leads to things

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Speaker 1: like our calendar being a mess right now, and you

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Speaker 1: realize the whole time it was an illusion, and the

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Speaker 1: the NFL or NBA, and really no one's in charge

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Speaker 1: with looking out for the singular interest of college football.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's kind of out for themselves. And I was listening

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Speaker 1: to some of your stuff this morning, so we'll go

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Speaker 1: broadbrush with this, and then I want to zoom in

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Speaker 2: But just overall, you love the sport. I love the sport.

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Speaker 1: Having put that aside thoughts on where things are right now.

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Speaker 3: I think two things can be true at once. I

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Speaker 3: think that the sport can be as good as it's

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Speaker 3: the players are better than than they've ever been, And

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Speaker 3: at the same time, structurally speaking, the sport is as

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Speaker 3: broken as it's ever been, you know, and we need

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Speaker 3: to fix things in a big way. The problem with

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Speaker 3: fixing things is that college football has no leadership, you know,

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Speaker 3: to your point about you think that these people and

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's that the people aren't smart,

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Speaker 3: it's just that no one's actually in charge. And so

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Speaker 3: it's like it's like being being a fan of college

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Speaker 3: football right now is like sitting in seat thirty two

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Speaker 3: E on a you know, on a plane flight, and

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Speaker 3: is that actually like is that really what's going on? Yes,

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Speaker 3: And they all have altered motives. They all want to

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Speaker 3: And because of that, we have five captains trying to

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Speaker 1: So as you and I are speak, making Chip Kelly

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Speaker 2: And Chip Kelly talked about a lot of ideas he's had.

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Speaker 1: He talked about centralized leadership, talked about overhauling entire scheduling

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Speaker 2: There is no term.

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Speaker 1: You and I have contracts with our companies, and there's

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Speaker 3: Well, they have the ability to be cleaned up, you know,

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Speaker 3: you know, I had him on my show Josh, and

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Speaker 3: Those are two totally distinctly different entities, and they face

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Speaker 3: this idea of separation, I'm very much in favor of

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Speaker 3: what it exactly looks like. I'm not quite sure. But

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Speaker 3: he also brought up the scheduling aspect, and you touched

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Speaker 3: You look at schedules. There is zero reason why we

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Speaker 3: So again, like the scheduling aspect of how you could

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Speaker 3: So you know, this idea that we just need to

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Speaker 3: So what do you need structure and you need those

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Speaker 1: You said something there. The way you phrased it, I

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Speaker 1: don't think needs to be overshadowed. You talked about how

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Speaker 1: people who may be turned off by this, just open

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Speaker 1: it incentivizes, for lack of a better term, player involvement

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Speaker 1: thinking about, is how do we grow this game? Right now,

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Speaker 1: make it to the NFL, which there's nothing wrong with,

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Speaker 1: and guys would still think that way. But then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, if you're further incentivized that if you

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Speaker 1: play in a way, if you conduct yourself in a

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Speaker 2: It means more money in your pocket. That's a new day.

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Speaker 1: And then, Joel, even if you want to be selfish

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Speaker 1: by it so much anymore, because the more money you

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Speaker 1: make means the more money that is distributed to the players,

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Speaker 3: but certainly from a narrative standpoint, and with games that

434
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Speaker 3: they should have won against Stanford, were in against Oregon

435
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Speaker 3: State and Arizona, you can see with a couple of additions,

436
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Speaker 3: in particular upfront, that's a team that can win seven

437
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Speaker 3: games next year. I don't think that's outlandish. And when

438
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Speaker 3: you look at where they were before he was hired,

439
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 3: one on eleven, losing by an average of twenty nine points,

440
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Speaker 3: like that's a wild success.

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Speaker 1: It's the recalibration of expectation problem that exists. For instance,

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Speaker 1: we come into the season, you got you got a

443
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Speaker 1: crowd out there that would look at what was the total,

444
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Speaker 1: like three and a half, and they would go, oh, under,

445
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Speaker 1: they're going to be a disaster. Well then you realize

446
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: they've already got three wins before the first month of

447
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: the season is out, and all of a sudden, that

448
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: same crowd, instead of just saying I was wrong, they

449
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: recalibrate and they say, well, they won't make a bowl game. Well,

450
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Speaker 1: that wasn't the standard that you yourself set in the preseason.

451
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Speaker 1: The path to success at Colorado is not the path

452
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Speaker 1: that Georgia takes. There are different rungs on the Colorado ladder.

453
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Speaker 1: So in August, for example, I sat on my show

454
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Speaker 1: and I said, if they can steal a couple of

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Speaker 1: wins and generate a ton of national buzz, he's won

456
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Speaker 1: in year one.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to generate buzz at Georgia. You do

458
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Speaker 2: at Colorado.

459
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Speaker 1: And now you're landing five star offensive tackles not out

460
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Speaker 1: of the portal, but out of high school because well,

461
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Speaker 1: at least in part due to that, Yes, that's a win.

462
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Speaker 1: You got to judge the stuff a little bit different.

463
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Speaker 1: I want to get a couple more in here with you.

464
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Speaker 1: Right now, it's twenty twenty about to be twenty twenty

465
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Speaker 1: four and we've got the twenty twenty three playoffs. It's

466
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Speaker 1: the last of the four team field. We're gonna have

467
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Speaker 1: two years coming up where we have a format that

468
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: we're settled on and it's a twelve team and then

469
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Speaker 1: beyond that there's the edge of a cliff. And I'm

470
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Speaker 1: not quite sure the college football public has woken up

471
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Speaker 1: to this yet. Behind the scenes and the TV world,

472
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Speaker 1: that's all they're talking about, because there's a lot of

473
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Speaker 1: shuffling to try and figure this out. I guess the

474
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Speaker 1: way to ask it is when we get to the

475
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Speaker 1: expanded era, and we also overlap that with the first

476
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Speaker 1: couple of years of Mega SEC, Mega Big ten and

477
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Speaker 1: everyone else, do you get the sense that, you know,

478
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Speaker 1: the results on the field and the disparity between just

479
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: overall calibers of conferences will be so severe that it

480
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Speaker 1: will drive the SEC and Big ten away from agreeing

481
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Speaker 1: to anything that includes auto bids, anything that includes auto

482
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Speaker 1: inclusion for other conferences and hashing out the future playoff

483
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Speaker 1: maybe a whole lot more difficult than it seems right now,

484
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Speaker 1: which is just let's copy and paste it.

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Speaker 2: Little bell here with there.

486
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Speaker 1: Like I think there's a legit fight coming in the

487
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Speaker 1: very in near future about that thing.

488
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Speaker 3: It's a great point. Couple of things. Number one is,

489
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Speaker 3: let me go back to kind of your beginning of

490
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Speaker 3: your question and this idea that I don't think the

491
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Speaker 3: college football public understands the precarious situation that we're in.

492
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Speaker 3: There's no television deal for the first round next year. Nope,

493
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Speaker 3: you know, and there is a genuine, I would say

494
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 3: close to if not full fledged panic amongst the people

495
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Speaker 3: that are trying to negotiate that deal from the college

496
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 3: football playoff side about the fact that they were asking

497
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Speaker 3: for X dollars and they are not getting and so

498
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Speaker 3: what it looks like from a television perspective just next year,

499
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Speaker 3: less than twelve months from now is a total mystery,

500
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Speaker 3: which is wild. So they thought that they would have

501
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 3: that wrapped up by now and that they could start

502
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 3: to think about what it's going to look like in

503
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Speaker 3: twenty six and beyond, which is what you're talking about.

504
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Speaker 3: So then let's get to the next part of your question,

505
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Speaker 3: which is this idea of the next two years, the

506
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: SEC and the Big Ten understanding the landscape, looking at

507
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: the landscape and thinking to themselves like why are we

508
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: going to give concessions? Okay, So the first would be

509
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 3: they're going to have to give at least some concessions. Now,

510
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Speaker 3: whether that's a four total auto bids or five, I

511
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 3: think it's going to be four. They're going to have

512
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Speaker 3: to do that just to get past DOJ scrutiny or

513
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 3: else this thing's going to get shut down. From a

514
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 3: legal perspective, those conferences will fight and talk about and

515
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 3: I trust laws, they'll talk about lack of true competitiveness,

516
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 3: and they would get shut down. So I think that

517
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 3: they're either going to have to just say like we're

518
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Speaker 3: going to no auto bids, or at least enough auto

519
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Speaker 3: bids where they include other conferences other than themselves. What

520
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Speaker 3: I think that they could probably end up doing is

521
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: incorporating at least one more auto bid. There's four for champions,

522
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 3: and then there's two more for next best SEC and

523
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 3: Big ten team. Now you would assume that those teams

524
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: would get in any ways, but you know how people

525
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: are in this industry. They love these guarantees and they

526
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: want those guarantees for their silo. So I could see

527
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 3: maybe that falling into place. But the last part of

528
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 3: this is that we already see and hear the narrative building.

529
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Speaker 3: I think the SEC and their coaches do it better

530
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: than anybody about how difficult their schedules are and how

531
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Speaker 3: difficult their year is, and so they like to plant

532
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 3: that seed so that the committee who ends up ranking

533
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 3: the teams has that in their mind. And I think

534
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: both of those conferences are going to perpetuate that narrative,

535
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Speaker 3: and I don't think they're wrong. By the way, when

536
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 3: you say the word narrative, it immediately people assume that

537
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 3: it's a negative. It's not a negative because it's going

538
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: to be true and accurate. When you look at the

539
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: schedules that the Big ten teams are going to play

540
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: and the SEC teams are going to play, they are

541
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Speaker 3: vastly more difficult than what the other conferences are going

542
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: to play in the ACC and in the Big twelve.

543
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: So they will end up I think, lobbying even more

544
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Speaker 3: so than what they do now for their teams. And

545
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Speaker 3: then here's the other part. I think that we might

546
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: get to a point where we crown a regular season

547
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: champion like we used to without a conference championship game,

548
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 3: and then the conference championship games actually slide down the

549
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Speaker 3: rung where you'll play an SEC five versus four in

550
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Speaker 3: order to separate the two to get that fourth team

551
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Speaker 3: into the playoff. And the same thing might happen in

552
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Speaker 3: the Big ten because of the devaluation of what's going

553
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: on at the top. We know the top two teams

554
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: are in, Like, why make them play an extra game?

555
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 3: You know what happens if somebody gets hurt when you

556
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 3: could maybe elevate your fourth team or your fifth team

557
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Speaker 3: in order to make sure that they're getting one of

558
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Speaker 3: those last spots the twelve.

559
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Speaker 1: I never thought about that formatting. So that's fascinating. The

560
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: other side, that's a little more. I don't know if

561
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: it's morbidly fascinating depending on what you value, but it's

562
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: just fascinating for different reasons. Is you talked about the

563
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: anti trust risk you run if you try and get

564
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: aggressive and force other entities hands with the weight you carry,

565
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: if you're the SEC or the Big ten. And there's

566
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: this part of me that says, man, Joel's right. There's

567
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: this other part of me that also says he's right.

568
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: What if they do it anyway? What if that's their endgame?

569
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: What if they want to save face? But also force

570
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: this thing over the cliff to where when it falls

571
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: they look and say, oh, well, can't have our national playoff.

572
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Speaker 1: I guess we'll have to have our own Big Ten.

573
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Speaker 1: You guys are going to do the same thing, okay,

574
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Speaker 1: And like to be honest, a television product that has

575
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Speaker 1: an entire season dedicated to crowning the SEC champion or

576
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: Big Ten champion in a sixteen team field is not

577
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Speaker 1: the worst idea in the world if you're an SEC

578
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: fan or a Big ten fan, if you're a wholestically

579
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: a college football fan, it kind of sucks because it

580
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: boxes a lot of people out and that I wanted

581
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: to bring this up with you because you're behind that

582
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: curtain as well, and you get the conversations, you have

583
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: them in your ear right now.

584
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: There is so much uncertainty. That's why when Chip Kelly.

585
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: Talked the way he did, I thought it was important,

586
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: little bit different, vain, but I think it's important to

587
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: do it now, and if you've got frustrations and you've

588
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: got some weight, do it now, because this is the

589
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: most wide open, it's the foggiest the future has ever been,

590
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: and any good idea Joel could quickly rise to the

591
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: top and get grabbed a hold of quicker than normally

592
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: in this sport where it moves like molasses in December,

593
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: to try and get stuff changed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the fight that they're having, is that normally

595
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: college football and intercollegiate athletics move like the Titanic, you know,

596
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 3: it takes forever to turn. And yet they're forced into

597
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 3: a situation where they need to act a little bit

598
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: more like an F one car in the next couple

599
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: of years and and be mobile and be nimble and

600
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: be able to turn on a dime. That's not it's

601
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: it's nature. The two most important people right now in

602
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: the sport are Tony Pettiti and Greg Sank because they

603
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: wield the most power the commission of the Big Ten,

604
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 3: commissioner of the SEC. It's not the executive director of

605
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: the CFP, Bill Hancock or or their new executive director.

606
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: It's not Charlie Baker, who's the head of the NCAAH.

607
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: The NCAA is hanging on by a thread, absolute threat.

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Speaker 1: We haven't even said those words, we haven't even said

609
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: those letters the entire conversation. That's how little I think

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00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: they will matter in the grand scheme of things.

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Speaker 2: Moving forward.

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Speaker 3: That's right, That's that's exactly right. So those two guys,

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Speaker 3: Tony Pettiti and Greg Sanki have a lot to figure

614
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 3: out and think about it from this perspective. Their occupation,

615
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: their contract, and their entire professional objective is to look

616
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: out for the entities that they represent. That's who hired them,

617
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: the presidents of those institutions in the SEC and in

618
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 3: the Big Ten. And yet they both know, and I've

619
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Speaker 3: talked to both of them about this at length, that

620
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: the decisions that they make are going to shape the

621
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Speaker 3: sport overall. And that is a wild place to be

622
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: for both of these guys. Their job is not to

623
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 3: protect college football, and yet their job is to protect

624
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: college football. How do they do it? I'm not sure

625
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: And that's why you know what you said about like

626
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Speaker 3: anything is available. Yeah, I agree with that expansion from

627
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: twelve is available. I think now whether it is an

628
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 3: official expansion remains to be seen, because, like I said,

629
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Speaker 3: I think that we could get a play in structure

630
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 3: into the twelve via what I would consider lower run

631
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: games in each conference as championship games, and we could

632
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: call them play in games, so rather than a Big

633
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: Ten championship game. You would have the Big Ten play

634
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: in game and the Big twelve playing game and the

635
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 3: ACC play in game, and it just would be different

636
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: of where that falls in terms of their standings. With

637
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 3: the Big Big Ten and SEC, it might be four

638
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: and five, and then with the ACC and the Pact

639
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: a Big twelve. Excuse me, it might be two and

640
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: three or one and two. So those are all things

641
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: that remain to be seen. I will tell you this

642
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: are our sport. If you really want to grow, it

643
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 3: has a chance to grow. I think that we should

644
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: think about things like bringing the NFL into the room, Josh.

645
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: I think that we should bring them into the room

646
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 3: and give them a cut of the revenue of the playoff.

647
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: Now why why why would you do that? Well, because

648
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: they hold the power of television windows throughout this entire

649
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 3: piece of property that we call the calendar. So if

650
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Speaker 3: you bring them in, what they're going to do is

651
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Speaker 3: be more in zenivia to give you windows that would

652
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: be beneficial for your sport and for them. So let

653
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: me just how about this, just like wild idea, what

654
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 3: if the National Championship game always landed on I don't know, Josh,

655
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: wildcard weekend of the NFL Playoffs, and what if the

656
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: National Championship game was always on Saturday night, not Monday night,

657
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 3: because Monday night is the dumbest thing I've ever think

658
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 3: seen in my life. But it's a Saturday night, and

659
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 3: it's the third game of a football triple header that

660
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: had two NFL playoff games ahead of it, and the

661
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: network that did the middle NFL playoff game also did

662
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 3: the National Championship game. And now, rather than trying to

663
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: create your own audience on a Monday night in the

664
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 3: middle of January, you can take an NFL Wildcard playoff

665
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 3: audience of thirty plus million people and jam them straight

666
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 3: into your National Championship game. Like, why can't we do that?

667
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 3: I think everything should be on the table in order

668
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Speaker 3: for the betterment of the game and the growth of

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Speaker 3: the game, including maybe going to the NFL and forming

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Speaker 3: a bit of a partnership.

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Speaker 1: These are beautiful ideas, now that right, there is a

672
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Speaker 1: beautiful idea that double lead in on a Saturday.

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Speaker 2: How wild a concept.

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Speaker 1: By the way, imagine people like us allowed to watch

675
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: college football titles decided on a Saturday.

676
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: What kind of world is that?

677
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Speaker 3: Right? And you wouldn't be because they think about this.

678
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 3: The college football National Championship is the only football property

679
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: in our country, the only one that is decreasing in viewership. Sure,

680
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 3: everything else is increasing, including and it's not a college

681
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: football program. We just had the most watched and consumed

682
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 3: college football regular season in history. I just had. I

683
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: just did a game with nineteen million people watching Michigan

684
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: and Ohio State. You can't tell me that viewership is decreasing.

685
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: So why in the world is a National Championship game

686
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: last year getting seventeen million viewers. Well one, TCU Georgia

687
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 3: was not a good matchup. But also you're trying to

688
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 3: just create an entity on a Monday night. It doesn't work.

689
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 3: It's not the Final Four, you know. And from that perspective,

690
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: I think college football needs to really think about going

691
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: back to their roots, potentially moving their playoff closer to

692
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 3: the regular season, getting a better calendar. Maybe we end

693
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Speaker 3: the season on the first, maybe it's NFL wildcard weekend.

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Speaker 3: But all of these ideas should certainly be on the table.

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Speaker 1: we fixed about half the sport today. We got another

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Speaker 1: half to go. But time is of the essence.

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Speaker 3: It is. But but do you want to just quickly

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Speaker 3: go over calendar? We can do it again some other time,

723
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Speaker 3: But man, the calendar.

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Speaker 2: How long do you have? How long do you have

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Speaker 2: right now?

726
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: I got enough time for the calendar.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I am a believer.

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Speaker 1: Let me just throw this at you, cause really the

729
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: crux of the calendar debate right now is we are

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Speaker 1: overlapping the most important period of our season, which is

731
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Speaker 1: conference championships. Then there's this weird ditch, and then we

732
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Speaker 1: go past Christmas, and then we have playoffs and we

733
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Speaker 1: do what is the equivalent of our version of free

734
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Speaker 1: agency and our version of the draft if you want

735
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Speaker 1: to combine it with pro sports right here in the

736
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Speaker 1: middle of it makes no sense. Everyone hates it. So

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Speaker 1: the early signing day I keep going back and forth

738
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Speaker 1: on it. There's one school of thought when I go

739
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Speaker 1: to these symposiums where a lot of the recruiting and

740
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Speaker 1: player personnel types say, do away with it, just half

741
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 1: February like we used to. And then there's another group

742
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Speaker 1: that says, but we need the early signing day, but

743
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Speaker 1: let's move it to July.

744
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: So if you think.

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Speaker 1: There's a slam dunk kid out there and you want

746
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: to offer him, go for it, but you're gonna have

747
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Speaker 1: to do it before his senior year. You're gonna have

748
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Speaker 1: to guarantee his scholarship even if he gets hurt. And

749
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Speaker 1: if you put an offer in front of that kid,

750
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Speaker 1: it has to be committable, So you can't just carpet

751
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Speaker 1: bomb the entire country with offers. And then kids try

752
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Speaker 1: and commit and say no, no, no, no, we can't take

753
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Speaker 1: you right now. And the thinking is hardly anyone would

754
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Speaker 1: commit on the early signing day. The ones who did

755
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: would be few and far between, and good for them

756
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: and their futures guaranteed in writing at that point, but

757
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: it would really backdate a lot of the commitments and

758
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Speaker 1: signings to February where they used to be, and it

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00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: would not open. That window would not even open until

760
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Speaker 1: after championships are played, at which point you could also

761
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Speaker 1: do your transfer portal and like, it sounds so simple,

762
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: and people just it's like you shout it into the

763
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Speaker 1: ether and the words disappear and nothing changes.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, Like, what are your thoughts on this?

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Speaker 3: Oh? First of all, I love this, I love this conversation.

766
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Speaker 3: I think these conversations, I think, to be honest with you, like, Josh,

767
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: this is why I really wanted to come on, because

768
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 3: you obviously have a tremendous following and listening and listener base,

769
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: and in a lot of ways it might be a

770
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: little bit different than my listener base, you know, but

771
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: there's also a great amount of overlap. These conversations are

772
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 3: really important, and because the future of the sport is

773
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: at stake, and the calendar is I think one of

774
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: the biggest issues. And you laid it out perfectly at

775
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 3: the start there, which is, let's just say this, and

776
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 3: I said this on my show. Can you imagine the

777
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 3: NFL concluding their seventeenth game, taking a month off, having

778
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 3: the draft and free agency at the same time, and

779
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 3: let's negotiate a new CBA. It's like, of course not,

780
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 3: of course, not that would never happen, So why do

781
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 3: we allow that to happen here in college football? And

782
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 3: rather than talk about the factors that go into this,

783
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 3: it is about trying to find solutions in a lot

784
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 3: of ways. Number One, we need to separate and there

785
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 3: needs to be a governing structure so that we can

786
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 3: look at all of these issues in totality and not

787
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: just put band aids over holes in the shiphole. You know,

788
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways we're doing that. We're running

789
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 3: over and fixing leaks in the bottom of the boat,

790
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 3: all over the boat. And what we really need is

791
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: just a new boat.

792
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 2: Let's get a new boat.

793
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 3: Yes, let's get let's get a new boat. So early signing, Okay,

794
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: let's talk about it from the high school perspective. I'm

795
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 3: of the belief. Now granted I was a walk on,

796
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 3: so I don't have a ton of experience from a

797
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: recruiting standpoint, but I'm of the belief that a player

798
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 3: should be able to sign his letter of intent at

799
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Speaker 3: any point, not during his season, not during his football

800
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: season as a junior, during his football season as a senior,

801
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 3: or even a sophomore. But what you said about the

802
00:42:54,840 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 3: carpet bomb offers is accurate. Is accurate because it would

803
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 3: start to really limit these coaches and being like, okay,

804
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: if we make this offer, he can sign now, okay,

805
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 3: and it would it would pause what has now become

806
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 3: I think a problem in terms of how early kids

807
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: are recruited and how long they're recruited, and this entire

808
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: recruiting process. It's not just about the commitment process, it's

809
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 3: the recruiting process. So I think a player should be

810
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: able to sign his letter of intent at any moment,

811
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Speaker 3: not during his season. Once he signs, tampering rules apply.

812
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: You can't go steal him. See, this is part of

813
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 3: the problem. Verbal commitments are garbage at this point. Now

814
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 3: you can say that that's a societal problem or an

815
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 3: individual problem, fine, but it's also an organizational and a

816
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: program problem because they don't mean anything to the coaches either,

817
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: and by the way, nor should they. So you commit

818
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 3: to Oregon, you know Dion's still going after you. At Colorado,

819
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 3: you commit to Georgia, Nick Saban is still going after you,

820
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: and the same in the Big Ten. It happens everywhere.

821
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Speaker 3: So these kids, their commitment doesn't mean anything for them,

822
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: nor the attention that they continue to receive, so you

823
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 3: should be able to sign your letter of intent at

824
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Speaker 3: any moment up to February, and at that point tampering

825
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 3: rules apply. Now I would also have what I would

826
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Speaker 3: consider it to be a dead period of letter intent

827
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 3: of intent high school recruiting that would extend past a

828
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: high school football season and up until basically the first

829
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Speaker 3: week of February, so that this period from about the

830
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Speaker 3: middle of January, once we would get to the second

831
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Speaker 3: round of the playoffs, or maybe even past that, if

832
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Speaker 3: you get to the middle of January or just past that.

833
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 3: Now you have a free agency window or a transfer

834
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 3: portal window that opens up before the spring semester and

835
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 3: all of these universities. What we need to do is

836
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 3: make sure that these kids can make decisions. Not at

837
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: the same time high school kids are not forced to

838
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 3: make decisions based on incomplete rosters, based on where transfers

839
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 3: may or may not go. So separating these two time

840
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: zones out and these periods out so that like the NFL,

841
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,479
Speaker 3: you have the draft, you have free agency, and they're

842
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 3: separate so that you can build rosters. I think that's

843
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 3: an important piece of this.

844
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Speaker 1: Dude, I'm glad we did this. Man, I got a

845
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 1: mintrospect for you. You do great work Joel Klatt Show.

846
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: Find it on YouTube. Phenomenal stuff. It's weekly. It's just

847
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: like we do it here. It's a pleasure to talk

848
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: to you. I did not even mention. I didn't even

849
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: ask you about bias one time. We didn't even delve

850
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: into Florida State. We didn't even get into the whole

851
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: battle that's been going on there. So anytime you want

852
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: to come over here, you're welcome. I appreciate you joining us.

853
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: My friend same this.

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00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,479
Speaker 3: As we get more into the offseason and maybe past

855
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Speaker 3: the draft, I want to make sure that we reciprocate.

856
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 3: We do a little bit of a home and home

857
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: and we can talk about some of those issues over

858
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 3: on my show. I appreciate your time. I'm really thankful

859
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 3: for what you do for this sport because the more

860
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 3: people that are interested in the sport, the better. Again,

861
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 3: we can just continue to move this thing forward. And

862
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 3: you do a great job. So I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Man.

864
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: And we didn't even get into anything that we could

865
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