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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. It is another Fox Football Saturday. I'm

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Speaker 2: your host, Carmen Batally, and I have Steve Hartman with

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Speaker 2: me today. Steve, it's been a long time. How are you?

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Speaker 3: It is unbelievable, Karmen, what took so long for us

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Speaker 3: to actually do a show together.

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Speaker 4: It probably will not be the last.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've been walking to the studio with you

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Speaker 3: many times as you've been getting ready for your show.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, sitting next to each other, so to speak,

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Speaker 3: and doing a show today is a super treat for

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Speaker 3: me today.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: I I can't either. And as always, we're gonna have

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Speaker 2: a great show for you today because we're gonna dive

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Speaker 2: into just how much trouble the defending Super Bowl champions

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Speaker 2: are in after that lost to the New York Giants

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Speaker 2: on Thursday Night. Football gonna talk how seriously we're taking

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Speaker 2: the Indianapolis Colts, and I have to imagine that Steve

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Speaker 2: is gonna sneak some UCLA talking this somewhere.

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I heard Jonas warn me about it.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna we're gonna have to talk about our Hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm a Big Ten girl too.

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Speaker 5: I graduated Northwestern, so you know, well, you.

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Speaker 4: Got the win over us that.

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Speaker 3: By the way, maybe Ucilla's last loss ever in the

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Speaker 3: Big Ten is to your belove Wildcats.

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Speaker 2: All that may be Northwestern's only win in the Big

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Speaker 3: And by the way, I don't know if you've noticed this, Carmen,

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Speaker 2: And as much as this is Fox Football Saturday, let's

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Speaker 2: get into some of the Major League Baseball that happened.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen innings, Steve Later and the Mariners now advanced to

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Speaker 2: the Alcs where they'll take on the Toronto Blue Jays.

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Speaker 5: Did you stay up for that whole game?

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm in Central Time, so my eyes were

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Speaker 2: closing where I was like another inning.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting, Carmen, Like I was doing local LATV

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Speaker 3: last night, So yes, I was absolutely watching that entire game.

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Speaker 3: My dear buddy Bill Plashki of the La Times complain

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Speaker 3: on social media how boring this game was. I go,

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Speaker 3: sit down, Bill, There's nothing boring that. The the dynamic

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Speaker 3: of baseball, Karmen, is so unique in the postseason where

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Speaker 3: you are hanging on literally every pitch, I mean every

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Speaker 3: single pitch potentially, certainly when the Mariners were at bad

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Speaker 3: at the bottom of the inning was the potential end

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Speaker 4: Game, and so it went on and on.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I couldn't believe Flaherty got out of that

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Speaker 3: one inning where the Mariners had two on, nobody out out, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is what makes postseason baseball extra special.

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Speaker 4: I know, it's a long season.

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Speaker 3: I get a one hundred and sixty two games, it's

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Speaker 3: hard to focus on any one game. But once you

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Speaker 3: get to the postseason, more often than not. Baseball delivers

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Speaker 3: big time, and certainly that game was one for the ages.

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Speaker 2: It really is so advantageous to be the home team

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Speaker 2: when you go to extras like that, because I mean,

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Speaker 2: it really can then you can end the game on one pitch.

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Speaker 2: then it's a walk off win for you. But like,

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Speaker 2: if you're the Detroit Tigers in that situation, you're like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we've got to get a run and then we have

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Speaker 2: like I just kept thinking about the Detroit Tigers being like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: win this game. Like, it is so advantageous to be

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Speaker 3: Here's what I don't get though, I mean, you've got

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Speaker 3: innings ninety nine pitches. That's a lot of pitches for

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Speaker 4: Thinking, all right, can we squeeze.

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Speaker 3: Another inning out of a guy? Considering this is a

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Speaker 4: Game Game five?

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what are we worried about here? I mean,

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Speaker 3: if you win the game, fine, then he pitches. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's like best the seven series, maybe goes Game three

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Speaker 3: in Game seven, potentially in the next series. But I'm

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Speaker 3: not yanking Schooball with a two to one lead after

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Speaker 3: six innings because he's thrown ninety nine pitches. He didn't

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Speaker 3: look like he was laboring out there. He's blowing people

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Speaker 3: away that do you not get it right?

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Speaker 2: Like, I'm like, as long as he's not giving you

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Speaker 2: a reason to pull him, let him go.

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Speaker 3: Let him go, come on, and then just drives me nuts.

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Speaker 3: Carl and the way they handle pitchers in baseball now,

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Speaker 3: I just it's just crazy. But I mean, who would

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Speaker 3: have thought before a best of five series that the

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Speaker 3: two games school Wiles started the Tigers ultimately would lose

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not supposed to work like that, And then

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Speaker 2: the Cubs will take on the Milwaukee Brewers and all

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Speaker 2: there's sure to be drama filled game.

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Speaker 3: What's what's a got on that? Obviously, it's a big

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Speaker 3: impact on the Dodgers. If the Brewers win, and i'lcs

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Speaker 3: will open Monday in Milwaukee. But if the Cubs win,

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Speaker 3: the Dodgers will open the series in La.

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Speaker 5: So, my guts, my guts.

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Speaker 2: The Brewers they're gonna take it, and that's obvious. I'm

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Speaker 4: I know you rightside, south Side.

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Speaker 2: I don't hate the Cubs, though, I'm one of the

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Speaker 2: very few people in Chicago that doesn't actually like if

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Speaker 2: anybody brings the championship to my city, I'm gonna be

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Speaker 2: happy with it. So I want the Cubs to do well,

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Speaker 2: but I just the Brewers have been the bane of

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Speaker 2: the Milwaukee Brewers offense this year has been incredible. So

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Speaker 2: them playing at home in a Game five make or

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Speaker 2: We'll see, though, I know everybody in Chicago's praying for

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Speaker 2: a miracle in a turnaround. I want to get into

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Speaker 5: Steve, Yeah, Eagles defending champion Philadelphia Eagles. Vibes are bad.

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Speaker 5: Vibes were bad.

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Speaker 2: Before they lost to the Giants on Thursday Night Football

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Speaker 5: But now, I mean, things.

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Speaker 2: Just seem to be coming a part at the seams

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Speaker 2: for the offense in particular, where you have AJ Brown

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Speaker 5: I think we have the sound thanks to bo of.

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Speaker 2: AJ Brown has not had the season that he's wanted

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Speaker 2: to have. He has not had the production he's wanted

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Speaker 5: He is not.

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Speaker 2: He's he had like a fifty percent catch right, but

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Speaker 2: he's not really been put in advantageous situations or situations

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Speaker 2: to succeed within this offense. You had Lane Johnson talking

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Speaker 2: in the making. Take a listen to what AJ Brown

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Speaker 2: had to say after the game.

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Speaker 5: What was behind that?

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Speaker 4: I don't call them.

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Speaker 1: To meeting them around? Those guys said, did you need

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Speaker 1: to talk to him?

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Speaker 4: You weren't you weren't in the meeting RecA where you

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 2: That was in reference to reporters asking AJ Brown about

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Speaker 2: a supposed meeting that Saquon Barkley was talking about between him,

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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, and AJ Brown, and a J. Brown was

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Speaker 2: based like I don't recall. He later clarified to say,

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Speaker 2: they just ran into each other in the parking lot

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Speaker 2: and they were discussing things. But it got painted like

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Speaker 2: there was tension and that Saquon had to step in,

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Speaker 2: which apparently wasn't true according to AJ Brown. But this

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Speaker 2: is not the making Steve of like a cohesive championship

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Speaker 2: caliber unit.

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Speaker 3: Well, this bears a lot of resemblance to the last

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Speaker 3: time the Eagles are coming off a Super Bowl win

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Speaker 3: and ultimately Peterson's demise as the head coach of that

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Speaker 3: part of the seams right now. As you know, Bo Benson,

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Speaker 3: he hasn't waivered even after the Eagles dominant run to

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Speaker 3: a Super Bowl championship a year ago that they have

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Speaker 3: a blow par head coach and Nick Sirianni, and a

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Speaker 3: blow par quarterback in Jalen Hurts, and they are due

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Speaker 3: for an upgrade at both. But to me, the biggest

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Speaker 3: story obviously has been the complete disappearing act of sa

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Speaker 3: Kwon Barkley in the Eagles running game. He's averaging just

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Speaker 3: three point four yards of carry. His longest run from

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Speaker 3: scrimmage this year's eighteen yards. Eighteen yards in six games,

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Speaker 3: a guy that put up two thousand yards a year

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Speaker 3: ago and sat out the final game. Now, I know

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Speaker 3: they've had some changes on that offensive line, but without

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Speaker 3: say Kwon Barkley producing anything of substance for the first

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Speaker 3: six games, they're probably lucky to still be sitting.

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Speaker 4: Four to four and two.

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Speaker 3: In fact, we were talking last week before their loss

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's a myriad of problems. I know,

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Speaker 3: the focus is easy to get on AJ Brown, and

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Speaker 3: you know the idea that he's mouthing off, you know,

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Speaker 3: not the first time, not the last time. But this

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Speaker 3: team has more serious problems than I expected them to have.

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Speaker 3: I thought, on paper, this was a team that you know,

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Speaker 3: would finally end the long streak of teams not repeating

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Speaker 3: his NFC East champs, and I really said, who's the

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Speaker 3: second best team in the NFC. But all their worst fears,

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Speaker 3: all of them have come true so far.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because on paper, this is still a

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Speaker 2: fantastic roster full of talent, so many returning guys that

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Speaker 2: you thought, of course they could run it back this year.

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Speaker 2: And it's hard to kind of pinpoint what's wrong when

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Speaker 2: so many things are wrong, at least offensively. You mentioned

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Speaker 2: three point four yards per carry at this point. He

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Speaker 5: And then you have aj Brown.

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Speaker 5: Are the Giants on their way to saving Dable's shop?

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Speaker 4: Let's see where they go from here.

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Speaker 5: The Indianapolis Colts. How for real are they? We're going

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Speaker 2: Ah, the vibes are good. Unlike what the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 2: We've talked me to the baseball we and Stevenserting at

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Speaker 3: Well, I have something I mean Honestly, I won't do

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Speaker 4: In the history of football at any level.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I got this invisive traction in that doesn't usually happen.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you talk about addition. I mean we're talking

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Speaker 3: That's where we are right now, and going into the

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Speaker 5: Here, the Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: Colts are so fun That Daniel Jones led Indianapolis Colts

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Speaker 3: In fact, it's not a fluke that the Colts right now,

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Speaker 2: possession and keep them on the field, that benefits everything

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Speaker 2: about that team. And then you also have a defense

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Speaker 2: that is a really really good defense and is limiting

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Speaker 2: opponent possession and limiting the time of possession from other

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Speaker 2: opponents as well getting the.

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Speaker 5: Ball back to the offense.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's all working, and I'm so happy for

447
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Speaker 2: Indy because of the Anthony Richardson experience that just or experiment,

448
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Speaker 2: I should probably say that just fell spectacularly to pieces.

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Speaker 2: I do want to point out most of the wins

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Speaker 2: have come against teams some of the most dysfunctional teams.

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Speaker 5: I don't want it look at.

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Speaker 3: I want to give you my favorite stat about Daniel Jones.

453
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Speaker 3: Ready for this two years ago. Two years ago, he

454
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Speaker 3: played in six games for the Giants and was sacked

455
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Speaker 3: thirty times.

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Speaker 4: In six games.

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Speaker 3: This year, in five games, he's been sacked four times.

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Speaker 3: So in six games with the Giants two years ago,

459
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Speaker 3: sacked thirty times. In five games this year with the Colts,

460
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Speaker 3: he has been sacked four times. It's amazing how much

461
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Speaker 3: better a quarterback can be when he's upright and actually

462
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Speaker 3: has that extra second or two to look down the field,

463
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Speaker 3: evaluate what's available down the field and make the throws.

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Speaker 4: So, I mean, it's night and day.

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Speaker 5: He's being really good about getting the ball out pretty quickly.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: Sham Steichen said, Look, I've been watching film of you

468
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Speaker 3: with the Giants. You're holding onto the ball, trying to

469
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Speaker 3: extend plays way too many times, just get rid of

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Speaker 3: the ball.

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Speaker 4: And he's doing just six.

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Speaker 2: Nine second time to throw outs for Daniel Jones, which

473
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Speaker 2: is up there, or I should say down there. It's

474
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Speaker 2: a very fat He's getting rid of the ball very

475
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Speaker 2: quickly and that's helping out the offensive line, which is

476
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Speaker 2: already good. That win against Denver really showed me a

477
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Speaker 2: lot I think with this team as far as like

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Speaker 2: legitimizing them. But I'm so happy for Indianapolis and for

479
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Speaker 2: Colts fans because it's been a long time coming, just

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Speaker 2: like this update break has been Martin.

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Speaker 5: What do you have for.

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Speaker 6: Us right now?

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Speaker 8: So I will say surprising because both of these teams undefeated,

484
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Speaker 8: but Oregon and Indiana has been back and forth through

485
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Speaker 8: the first quarter. Just getting started in the second Oregon

486
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Speaker 8: converting a fourth and one to stay on the field.

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Speaker 8: Right now, Indiana in the lead, ten to seven. Indiana

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Speaker 8: the seventh ranked team in the nation. Oregon the third

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Speaker 8: sixth months. Oklahoma has his quarterback John Mattier. He's got

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Speaker 8: one interception thus far, seventy one yards passing three carries

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Speaker 8: for six yards. Oklahoma with a three to nothing lead

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Speaker 8: over Texas. Oklahoma and the sixth ranked team in the nation.

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Speaker 8: That second quarter, just getting started there, six point thirty

494
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Speaker 8: left in the second quarter has been all Georgia Tech.

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Speaker 8: They're also undefeated, eighteen to nothing over Virginia Tech.

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Speaker 6: Two and four for the Hokies.

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Speaker 8: Notre Dame in NC State tied seven apiece eight minutes

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Speaker 8: left in the second quarter there Notre Dame, sixteenth ranked

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Speaker 8: Iowa and I'm sorry Iowa State. In Colorado, the buffalo

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Speaker 8: Is with a seven to nothing lead over the twenty

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Speaker 8: second ranked Cyclones. Twelve minutes left in the first half there,

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Speaker 8: Tennessee just calls the time out of ten minute mark

503
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Speaker 8: of the first quarter. Arkansas with a seven nothing lead

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Speaker 8: over the twelfth ranked Volunteers, and earlier today we saw

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Speaker 8: Ohio State take care of Illinois.

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Speaker 6: They Illinois for I'm sorry.

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Speaker 8: Ohio State forced three turnovers that got twenty one points

508
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Speaker 8: off of those thirty four to sixteen. In the final

509
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Speaker 8: at Alabama forced an interception of both of Beulah's last

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Speaker 8: pass of his day to go ahead and beat Missouri

511
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Speaker 8: twenty seven to twenty four. Tigers previously unranked, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 8: probably previously undefeated. They were ranked fourteenth before today was

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Speaker 8: over with Pittsburgh beat Florida State.

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Speaker 6: Florida State had that big win against Alabama to start

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Speaker 6: the year.

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Speaker 8: They're now zero to three in ACC play thirty four

517
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Speaker 8: to thirty one. Pit with the win, and ole Miss

518
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Speaker 8: really honestly hung on to beat Washington State today. Ole

519
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Speaker 8: missed the fourth ranked team in the nation, twenty four

520
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Speaker 8: to twenty one. Terry mclaurin's been ruled out for the

521
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Speaker 8: Washington Commanders. He'll miss another game. He's been limited most

522
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Speaker 8: of this season, and Labor Torres Tiger Second Basement, fresh

523
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Speaker 8: off that fifteen inning marathon game last night, is announced

524
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Speaker 8: he's going to get surgery for a hernia that he

525
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Speaker 8: suffered in September and was playing through it. Steve, what

526
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Speaker 8: are you playing through right now?

527
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Speaker 4: In life in general? You know how that is.

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Speaker 8: I mean, honestly, I'm proud of you. But Carmen, I

529
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Speaker 8: know you know. But is UCLA Steve two and zero?

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Speaker 3: I mean, and also this way, I don't want to

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Speaker 3: overstate this, but I really believe they have eleven more

532
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Speaker 3: straight wins in him to win the national championship. I

533
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Speaker 3: don't want to overstated, but I mean, I know that

534
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Speaker 3: we have road games against Indiana and Ohio State and

535
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Speaker 3: USC but if they run the table with one loss,

536
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Speaker 3: they'll be in the Big Ten championship game. They'll win

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Speaker 3: that suite four playoff games and be crown national champions

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Speaker 3: for the first time since nineteen fifty four.

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Speaker 5: Hey guy, can dream?

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Speaker 4: Thank you to you guys, Steve.

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Speaker 9: Do you want to bet on that?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 5: You see, take advantage of that vote.

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Speaker 3: Give me some odds right now, Give me some odds

545
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Speaker 3: plus one hundred thousand, one hundred thousand.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, Okay, let's say. I was going to say,

547
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Speaker 4: I do the Maths.

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Speaker 9: Sandwich sandwich between the cow Golden Bears and the Colorado

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Speaker 9: State Rams.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I mean, what do you have to lose? Maybe

551
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Speaker 2: maybe I'll do it. How ironic would that be?

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you, Imlayava, He's got my Heisman vote

553
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Speaker 3: right now, and I have a Heisman vote, so just

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Speaker 3: think about that.

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Speaker 4: So there it is.

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Speaker 10: The obligatory Steve has to remind everyone that he votes

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Speaker 10: for the high schooling.

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Speaker 4: I do this well, Carmen. I carmoned every once on three,

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Speaker 4: every damn week.

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Speaker 9: Carman, have you ever played Steve's Heisman game?

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Speaker 5: No, I don't think.

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Speaker 9: I just think of a random year and asked Steve

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Speaker 9: what the heisman finished was that year?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Top ten nineteen seventy six.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy six, the winner was Tony Dorris, said Terry

567
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Speaker 3: Miller of excuse me. Ricky Bell was second that year

568
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Speaker 3: in the voting. Rob Lytel that Michigan was third, Terry

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Speaker 3: Miller was fourth.

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Speaker 4: Uh fifth? Am I going? Am I doing well?

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Speaker 11: Right?

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Speaker 5: Here?

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Speaker 10: You fell for a classic blunder. You went for the seventies.

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Speaker 10: That's too easy. That's that's when he was with the

575
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Speaker 10: Daily and this, that and the other thing you have.

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Speaker 3: Tommy Kramer of Rice was fifth, and give her Nielsen

577
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Speaker 3: the by U quarterback six?

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Speaker 4: Am I doing okay? You know?

579
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Speaker 9: Ray Goth of Georgia, Iray Goff at seven?

580
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Speaker 5: Give you so much? Yeah? Is you just okay?

581
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Speaker 4: Like my boy of North Carolina?

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Speaker 5: It's so.

583
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Speaker 4: Joe Roth of cal and Ry impressive.

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Speaker 3: Jeff Dankworth of ucl I just rattled off the top ten.

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Speaker 9: Yep, that was a top ten in nineteen seventy six.

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Speaker 2: It's all very impressive. You know who else who can

587
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Speaker 2: do something like this? His party trick. His party trick

588
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Speaker 2: is every Super Bowl matchup score and the MVP that

589
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Speaker 2: year from any year. You want to ask him of it.

590
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: Our next guest, David Hellman of the Athletic That is

591
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Speaker 2: his party trick. He loves to do it. I catch

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Speaker 2: him sometimes murmuring to himself just around the house about

593
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Speaker 2: and I ask what he's doing, and it's, oh, I'm

594
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Speaker 2: just naming you know, the Heisman winners or the sorry

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl MVPs from the last ten years, or

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Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty to nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 5: Isn't that true? Dave Hellman?

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Speaker 11: It is true, but talking about it on the radio

599
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Speaker 11: makes me nervous because you know, you don't have a

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Speaker 11: you don't have a safety net.

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Speaker 5: That's true. I mean, Steve, if you want to test him,

602
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Speaker 5: you could do it right.

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Speaker 4: Well, I look at David. I don't want to do

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Speaker 4: any of that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like at I've been labeled a freak show

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Speaker 3: my entire life, So I don't you know, if you're

607
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Speaker 3: one of those like me that just is memorized things

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Speaker 3: for just the sake of memorizing things, I SIMI with you,

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Speaker 3: I know where it's at.

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Speaker 11: There are dozens of us, dozens.

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Speaker 4: There are a lot of us floating out there.

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Speaker 3: That's It's like why and there's no answer to it

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Speaker 3: other than it just is brain worms.

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Speaker 5: He's got brain worms. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, we just finished up a conversation Dave about the

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Speaker 2: Indianapolis Colts, and I am curious as to your take

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Speaker 2: on just how seriously we should be taking the Colts

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Speaker 2: and if they have a real shot to go on

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Speaker 2: a run when it comes postseason time in this AFC.

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Speaker 11: I mean, the beauty of the Colt situation is and right,

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Speaker 11: I mean it just it just turned to October. We

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Speaker 11: don't have to get ahead of ourselves. We've got a

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Speaker 11: lot of football season.

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Speaker 5: Left, but that's not fun. We also don't think.

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Speaker 11: There's always something that comes after. But and what I

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Speaker 11: was going to say is, but the Colts have already

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Speaker 11: played two teams that we think really highly of. They

628
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Speaker 11: beat the Denver Broncos, and they should have beaten the

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Speaker 11: La Rams. I mean, if not for several huge brain

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Speaker 11: farts by a Mitchell in that game, the Colts managed

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Speaker 11: to beat the Rams and we could be talking about

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Speaker 11: them as like the hottest team in the NFL. And

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Speaker 11: on top of that, they play in the AFC South.

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Speaker 11: And with all due respect to Jacksonville, who has started

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Speaker 11: equally hot like this is this is not a scary

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Speaker 11: division in the way where you have to get past

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Speaker 11: the Kansas City or a Buffalo or a Philadelphia to

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Speaker 11: win your division. So I think they're already in a

639
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Speaker 11: great spot by being four and one in a situation where,

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Speaker 11: like I said, we'll see what happens with Jacksonville, but

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Speaker 11: you're in a great spot to at least host a

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Speaker 11: playoff game and from there. Yeah, I think I think

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Speaker 11: it's on the table. I think they are. They're incredibly impressive.

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Speaker 11: I think their defense is probably lacking one or two

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Speaker 11: like star caliber players that would make me take them

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Speaker 11: seriously as a super Bowl team. But they are a

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Speaker 11: very real team. Like I don't think this is going

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Speaker 11: to be a flash in the pan day.

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Speaker 3: You know, there is a fine line between paroity and parody.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I've been hearing this forever about you know,

651
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Speaker 3: the dream way back in the day of Pete Roselle

652
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Speaker 3: was you know, the whole league is basically equal, and

653
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Speaker 3: we're getting closer to that all the time. Five weeks in,

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Speaker 3: we don't have a single undefeated team. Jet standalone is

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Speaker 3: the only winless team. But I mean, I've been watching

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Speaker 3: the NFL forever and I'm seeing a lot of underwhelming football.

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Speaker 3: It's not that we don't have flashes or you know,

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Speaker 3: exciting finishers, that that and everything else, But overall, the

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Speaker 3: product to me is milk toast, not really dynamic. Are

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Speaker 3: you one that likes the idea of everyone sort of

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Speaker 3: on an equal playing field, or do you think the

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Speaker 3: NFL is better served if you have several dominant teams

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Speaker 3: really excelling to that next level.

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Speaker 5: I think it.

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Speaker 11: I think it comes and goes right. I mean, I

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Speaker 11: think you enjoy the idea of watching something special, and

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Speaker 11: right now it doesn't look like we have a truly

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Speaker 11: special team in this year's NFL. But I would argue,

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Speaker 11: and I know they haven't always looked impressive doing it,

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Speaker 11: but the Kansas City Chiefs have played in the last

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Speaker 11: three Super Bowls. I mean, that is incredibly dominant. That

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Speaker 11: is incredibly impressive, even though they didn't manage to pull

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Speaker 11: off the three peat. I just I don't think that's

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Speaker 11: something we'll see very often in you know, however, many

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Speaker 11: more decades of professional football we play. I think. I

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Speaker 11: also think the changes to the CBA, the limited amount

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Speaker 11: of practice time and the type of practices that teams have,

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Speaker 11: I think it leads to sloppy starts. Obviously, like training

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Speaker 11: camp is just not what it used to be. So

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Speaker 11: I think, and you'll hear coaches say this all the time,

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Speaker 11: where the first four to six weeks of the season

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Speaker 11: are kind of your training camp where you're getting into

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Speaker 11: full form and becoming the team that you're going to

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Speaker 11: be down the second half. So I don't worry about

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Speaker 11: it too much in the early going. I think it's

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Speaker 11: a valid point though, that this is a very yeah, Like,

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Speaker 11: I think this is a very parody driven year where

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Speaker 11: it doesn't look like there is a true juggernaut. But

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Speaker 11: I would also point out at this time last year,

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Speaker 11: the Eagles looked just as underwhelming as they do right now,

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Speaker 11: and they proceeded to reel off whatever it was like

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Speaker 11: twelve out of thirteen wins on their way to a

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Speaker 11: dominant Super Bowl win. So what we've seen in September

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Speaker 11: often has nothing to do with what winds up happening,

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Speaker 11: So I'm not stressing about it just yet.

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Speaker 5: I guess, Yeah, vibes are bad for the Eagles to

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Speaker 5: start last year, I remember too, and then that didn't end

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Speaker 5: up mattering miraculously. However.

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Speaker 2: You host a podcast called The Athletic Football Show for

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Speaker 2: the athletic. One of the episodes you do every week

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Speaker 2: revolves around the NFL Draft, and a lot is very

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Speaker 2: college football heavy. You yourself are an LSU Tiger. How

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Speaker 2: would you contrast that then with college football? And what

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Speaker 2: have you seen this year? And how is the draft

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Speaker 2: shaping up? As you talk to Dane Brugler every week

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Speaker 2: and you're building the Beast Show, how has that been going.

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Speaker 11: It's very weird to contrast college football as its own

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Speaker 11: product with college football as a vehicle for the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 11: Like this season, if you're just a fan of college football,

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Speaker 11: I'm having a blast like you talk about parody. I mean,

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Speaker 11: Ohio State's got this juggernaut defense, and Oregon has been

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Speaker 11: incredibly impressive all year. But this looks about as wide

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Speaker 11: open as you could ever expect college football to be.

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Speaker 11: I mean, Alabama is a good team, but they've already

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Speaker 11: lost and they look very mortal. Georgia doesn't look like

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Speaker 11: the absolute monster that they've been for most of the

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Speaker 11: last five years. And even you know, even unbeatens like

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Speaker 11: Ohio State, like you're still breaking in a young quarterback

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Speaker 11: and some of the other the star quarterbacks that came

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Speaker 11: into this season have been underwhelming. Obviously that applies to

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Speaker 11: arch Manning, but my guy, Garrett Nusmeyer also not really

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Speaker 11: off to a great start for LSU. So it's wide

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Speaker 11: open from the perspective of loving college football. But it's

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Speaker 11: it's been hard to get a handle on this draft

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Speaker 11: class because so many big names have kind of stumbled

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Speaker 11: out of the gate and we've had, you know, we've

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Speaker 11: learned about guys that nobody was really talking about six

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Speaker 11: weeks ago, whether it's Dante More in Oregon or he's

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Speaker 11: actually playing right now, Fernando Mendoza, the Indiana quarterback who

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Speaker 11: transferred over from cal. So it's been it's been interesting

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Speaker 11: to try to figure out who the dogs are like,

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Speaker 11: who like the guys that are going to be the

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Speaker 11: top ten, top fifteen picks in the draft. I think

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Speaker 11: they're only just kind of starting to emerge, which is

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Speaker 11: not what we expected in August. So it's it's been

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Speaker 11: a little befuddling from a draft standpoint, but that's because

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Speaker 11: the product itself has been very entertaining, just from the

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Speaker 11: unpredictability of it all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I always get frustrated when they talk about,

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Speaker 3: you know, elite college players who come up short in

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Speaker 3: the NFL, and they term them a bust, especially for

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks right place, right time. Look at Sam Darnold right now,

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Speaker 3: he's doing it again in Seattle. This is a guy

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Speaker 3: that was given up for dead because he got drafted

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Speaker 3: by the godforsaken New York Jets.

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Speaker 4: He got put into exile.

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Speaker 3: Next thing you know, he's sitting on the bench watching

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Speaker 3: from the sidelines. He gets an opportunity with a loaded

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Speaker 3: Vikings team, breaks out with a big season, and now

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Speaker 3: he's doing it again and.

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Speaker 4: With the Seahawks.

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Speaker 3: Were you ever of the mindset that we had seen

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Speaker 3: enough to determine Sam Darnold was just never going to

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Speaker 3: make it in the NFL. How surprised are you that

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Speaker 3: he's doing it again in Seattle this season.

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Speaker 11: I can't say I'm surprised because he played so well

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Speaker 11: in Minnesota last year. But at the same time, we

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Speaker 11: actually talked about this on our podcast this week. I mean,

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Speaker 11: as good as the Seahawks have been, and I mean

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Speaker 11: Sam is arguably playing the best football in the NFL

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Speaker 11: right now. He's certainly on that short list of the

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Speaker 11: hottest quarterbacks in the league. I didn't like I saw

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Speaker 11: the Seahawks as having a definitively worse situation than the Vikings,

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Speaker 11: Like the offensive line not as good overall. Even if

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Speaker 11: you're high on Jackson Smith and Jigba, I don't think

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Speaker 11: anybody thinks that's as good as having Justin Jefferson and

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Speaker 11: Jordan Addison. So for him to be playing better than

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Speaker 11: he did in Minnesota with I mean, it's a good cast,

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Speaker 11: but what I think is a lesser cast of characters.

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Speaker 11: It's incredibly impressive, and it's just I think we've learned

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Speaker 11: this lesson enough by now to where you know, everybody

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Speaker 11: wants to have a take and declare somebody's career over

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Speaker 11: or declare something a mistake. But I mean, look around

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Speaker 11: the NFL. Sam is doing it. I mean, Sam Darnold

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Speaker 11: and Baker Mayfield just put on the Game of the

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Speaker 11: Year a week ago, and they were both cast off

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Speaker 11: by multiple teams over the course of their careers. I mean,

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Speaker 11: we started this out with the Indianapolis Colts. Very few

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Speaker 11: players in the last decade have been bagged on harder

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Speaker 11: than Daniel Jones, and he looks like a completely new

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Speaker 11: man with Indianapolis. I mean, you see the examples of

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Speaker 11: this all over the NFL. It seems silly to say

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Speaker 11: now because Jared Golf has been an MVP caliber quarterback

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Speaker 11: for the last two or three years, but when he

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Speaker 11: was traded to Detroit, it was kind of seen as

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Speaker 11: like a salary dump where the Rams were like, all right,

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Speaker 11: we'll throw Golf into this trade for Stafford, but we're

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Speaker 11: really just we're just trying to get rid of him.

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Speaker 11: I mean, for the first year or two that Goff

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Speaker 11: was there, people were talking about, well, what are the

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Speaker 11: Lions going to do at quarterback? Like who are they

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Speaker 11: going to draft when it comes time for GoF to

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Speaker 11: finally be gone? And obviously that sounds silly now, but

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Speaker 11: I think the lesson learned is just to never never

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Speaker 11: be too sure. I'll never give out because we've seen it.

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Speaker 5: Day we got it, day we got to get you

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Speaker 5: out of here. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 2: But if you want to listen to more of that conversation,

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Speaker 2: go check out Dave Show on The Athletic Athletic Football Show.

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Speaker 2: We will come back to you right after this. You're

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Speaker 2: listening to Fox Football Saturday. Welcome back into Fox Football Saturday.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Karmen Vitally. I have Steve Hartman with me.

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Speaker 2: We're having a last.

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Speaker 4: We are.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to make any more references to a

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Speaker 3: certain school, I promise you.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to call bs on that We've got a

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Speaker 2: whole other hour after this, so we'll see.

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Speaker 5: But right now, I want to get to our recurring.

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Speaker 2: Segment that we do at the bottom of the last

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Speaker 2: of the first hour of this show.

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Speaker 5: It's the dues and the don'ts in.

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Speaker 1: Sports, highlighting the du I love that and putting a

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Speaker 1: spotlight on the don't.

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Speaker 4: The subject brings me no joy.

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Speaker 5: Don't that that's insane.

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Speaker 4: It's time for the dues and the don'ts in sports?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Steve, I want to start with this because I

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Speaker 2: have a du and a don't that's all rolled into one,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's going to end up sparking a

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Speaker 2: little bit longer of a conversation. Uh My do is

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Speaker 2: do preserve as much of your legacy as possible and

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Speaker 2: don't drag things out longer than they need to go.

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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick has reportedly inquired about triggering out triggering his

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Speaker 2: own buyout.

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Speaker 5: According to Ollie Conley.

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Speaker 2: Members of his staff have also reportedly been granted permission

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Speaker 2: to seek employment elsewhere, which is wild. We're seven weeks

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Speaker 2: into the College Caoball season, smack dab in the middle

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Speaker 2: of it, and things are coming apart at the seams

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Speaker 2: for North Carolina under Bill Belichick's short lived dreen What

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Speaker 2: say you, Steve Well?

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Speaker 3: First of all, my reaction to that is you're on

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Speaker 3: the money, Carmen, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's embarrassing.

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Speaker 5: It's embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's I mean they've had three legitimate games.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they'd beat two lower division opponents, and they

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Speaker 3: get blown.

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Speaker 4: Out of these games.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're home and you're down twenty eight to

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Speaker 3: three to a mediocre Clemson team.

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Speaker 4: That's awful.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you the due and I have a big

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Speaker 3: du Do believe that Jared Goff is the leading candidate

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Speaker 3: to be the NFL's Most Valuable Player?

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Speaker 5: What is it going to take?

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Speaker 3: Seventy five percent completion rate, twelve to two touchdown interception HDL,

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Speaker 3: a one hundred twenty passer rating. He deserves to be

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Speaker 3: the MVP. You are National Food.

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Speaker 2: You're fighting the good fight, my friend. We have a

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Speaker 2: whole other hour coming up. Stay tuned. You're listening to

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Speaker 2: Fox Football Saturday. Back into hour two of our Fox

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Speaker 5: All right, Steve, yes, I mentioned it. It's week six. Yes,

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Speaker 5: what's been like the most surprising thing for you? So well?

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Speaker 5: This season?

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's say this before the season, if I had

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Speaker 3: tried to get a prop bet Okay, So I'm walking

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Speaker 3: in and you know, I'll say, all right, I like

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Speaker 3: to see give me some odds in this. I'm gonna say,

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Speaker 3: going into week six, the Colts shall be the ones

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Speaker 3: seed in the AFC and the Chiefs will be the

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Speaker 3: ten seed. Give me some odds on that one before

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Speaker 3: the season began, because that's where we're sitting right now.

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Speaker 4: There is no rhyme or reason.

878
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 3: You know, Carmen, I have been around gamblers my entire life.

879
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 3: The best man at my wedding was a bookie. He

880
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 3: didn't place any money on my wedding, which is why

881
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 3: I'm no longer married.

882
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 4: But here's the thing.

883
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 3: Week to week, we can talk season this season because

884
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 3: every year there's gonna be four or five teams are

885
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 3: going to far exceed expectations, and there are gonna be

886
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: four or five teams are gonna go way below expectations.

887
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 3: That happens every year. But even now, on a week

888
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: to week basis, there is more unpredictability in the NFL

889
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: than I have ever seen. And I've been watching this

890
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: league since well before they actually called the Super Bowl

891
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, So I've been around this league a

892
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: long time, and so every year I think, well, it

893
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: can't get more unpredictable to me.

894
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 4: This season said has far exceeded that.

895
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: The Colts number one seed right now, you know, the

896
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 3: Chiefs had rattled off seventeen consecutive one score victories. They're

897
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: zero to three and one score games this year I mean,

898
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: that's just a sampling of how unpredictable so far this

899
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 3: NFL season has been.

900
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, I think that's what ends up

901
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: making it fun. I think it was interesting what Dave

902
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: Helman brought up last hour just about how, Yeah, there's

903
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: been a lot of changes to the NFL CBA that

904
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: have limited certain practice times, and I think they've really

905
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 2: leveled and regulated, at the very least a lot of

906
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 2: the things that go into the preparation for every single team,

907
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 2: and so you're kind of being put on a on

908
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 2: the same level at least because you're not really allowed

909
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: to deviate from the norm, and that kind of leads

910
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 2: to maybe a little bit more of a level playing field.

911
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: And then I think the college game two getting so

912
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: good and kind of melding a little bit more with

913
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: the pro game. Like those two, while they're still different,

914
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: they're as similar as they've ever been, and so the

915
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: guys are coming into league.

916
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 5: A little bit more ready than they were before. And

917
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 5: I just I don't know.

918
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: It's a really it's a philosophical conversation for a different time,

919
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: because I want to get to some specific games this

920
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: week coming up, and you talked about the Kansas City Chiefs,

921
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 2: who are starting to kind of return to what we

922
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: thought of them, despite the fact that they've lost a

923
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 2: couple of games this year. They are getting Xavier Worthy

924
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: back does not have an injury designation going into this game.

925
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: Cannot The same cannot be said for the Detroit Lions,

926
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: who will be without Terry on Arnold who is apparently

927
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: now out for a while. Alee McNeil, their defensive tackle

928
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: isn't back yet but questionable. This is where it gets Dicey,

929
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: Brian Branch, Kirby, Joseph Taylor, Decker, among others. Their injury

930
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: report is a mile long, and the Chiefs are relatively healthy.

931
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: They're healthy, and they don't have Rashi Rice back. He's

932
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,959
Speaker 2: serving a six game suspension. He'll be back next week.

933
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: But who do you have in this game? I think

934
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 2: I'm still even with all of the injuries, I don't know.

935
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: I think that the Lions still have a lot to

936
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: prove here, and they've had the Chiefs number in years past.

937
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 3: Well, the Chiefs may be healthy, they're old. I mean,

938
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 3: when you say healthy, I guess you know. Travis Kelsey

939
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: is healthy, but he bears no resemblance to the receiver

940
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 3: he used to be. I mean you talk about worthy,

941
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 3: is he Tyreek Hill in his prime?

942
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 5: Of the Chiefs.

943
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 4: I mean there's been a general decline.

944
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 3: The only reason the Chiefs are breathing at all is

945
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 3: their quarterback Patrick Mahomes, who obviously at this point age wise,

946
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: is in the prime of his career, but he doesn't

947
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: have the same supporting cast he had just a couple

948
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 3: of years ago. This was not a mirage all season

949
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: long last year, come we talked about the Chiefs. You

950
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 3: remember this week the worst eight and no team the

951
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 3: worst ten. And now, I mean they were winning games, but.

952
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 4: At no point.

953
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: They only had one game in the regular season last

954
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 3: year where they scored thirty points one. I mean, this

955
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: used to be commonplace for the Chiefs to put up

956
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 3: those dynamic numbers, and they're just not doing it anymore.

957
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 3: They have a very mediocre offense that only excels when

958
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: they're getting super plays out of their still great quarterback

959
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes. But to me, when you look at this

960
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 3: matchup against the Lions, the Lions have the best offense

961
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 3: in the NFL. That is the best offense. You have

962
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: a two headed monster running back, you had incredible talent

963
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: in your receiving corps and you have a quarterback that's

964
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: completing seventy five percent of his passes. They're going up

965
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 3: against a declining Chiefs defense. When you look at this

966
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 3: last game for the Chiefs, you've got the lead and

967
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 3: you give it up. You can't stop Jacksonville. Really, you

968
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: can't stop Jacksonville, who is a.

969
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 5: Lot better than what a lot of people gave him

970
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 5: credible for. Well, I mean we.

971
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: Were sort of when you know, Jacksonville was one of

972
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 3: those teams going in the years like, okay, we saw

973
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 3: a big decline a year ago. Are they done? Is

974
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence strrelevant? Let's see what happens this year. Obviously

975
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: they bounced back, but again, the Chiefs in their prime

976
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: are not going to give up again game winning drive

977
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 3: to Jacksonville to lose a game. So that's three straight

978
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 3: one score losses. So, I mean, where the Chiefs are

979
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 3: right now, I just don't see how they can stand

980
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 3: up against the firepower of the Detroit Lions.

981
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: Well, and I think that there is, while a lot

982
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: more intangible, there is this unbelievable belief that the Lions

983
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: have in themselves that you just don't see as much

984
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 2: with the Chiefs.

985
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 5: I think back to that Jacksonville game last.

986
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 2: Week and that drive towards the end, that final touchdown

987
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: that Trevor Lawrence runs in.

988
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 5: Chris Jones completely gives up on that play.

989
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're like, if there's not.

990
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 5: A buy in there?

991
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 2: And that's for everything about the Lions and how high

992
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 2: powered they are. There's also on top of that this

993
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: incredible buy in that Dan Campbell has been able to

994
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: achieve in Detroit that really.

995
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 5: Lets them compete in any sort of game against any

996
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 5: opponent because they have this unshakable belief in themselves even

997
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 5: when they're beat up, even when they have all these injuries.

998
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: That's just why I wholeheartedly believe in the Lions and

999
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: I have for the last couple of years because of

1000
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: that culture. And I don't see that in Kansas City

1001
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: right now. But I'm not also like making any sweeping

1002
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: conclusions because we've seen things go terribly awry for the

1003
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: Chiefs in years past, you know, suffering the most amount

1004
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: of like Patrick Mahomes suffered the most amount of drops

1005
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: by his receivers that you know a couple of years ago,

1006
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: and they won the Super Bowl that like it's it

1007
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily have what happens now doesn't necessarily have the

1008
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: bearing on if the Chiefs end up making it.

1009
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 5: To the Super Bowl. But I have this like for

1010
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 5: this particular game.

1011
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 2: I just I see a want to and a chip

1012
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: on the lion's shoulder that just won't allow them to

1013
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: lose it.

1014
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, last year, going into the Super Bowl, common sense

1015
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 3: favored the Eagles, and by the way, on this very station,

1016
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 3: I predicted a double digit Eagle victory. But people are

1017
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 3: still hanging on byah But it's the cheese man. They

1018
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 3: just find a way.

1019
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 11: You know.

1020
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 3: It's interesting because Mahomes has been in five Super Bowls

1021
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 3: and overall they've been outscore badly in those five games.

1022
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 3: You have three narrow wins and two blowout losses in

1023
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: those Super Bowls. I just think that the Chiefs are

1024
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 3: mentally worn out. I still think one of the great

1025
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 3: achievements in the history of the NFL was the Buffalo

1026
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 3: Bills to get to four straight Super Bowls.

1027
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 4: Still the only team to.

1028
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 3: Do it, to actually get to four straight Super Bowls

1029
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 3: and have to go through the grind year after year

1030
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 3: after year.

1031
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 4: The Chiefs have been in three straight Super Bowls.

1032
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: I just think that mentally they're spent right now and

1033
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: that offseason of contemplating what happened to them in that

1034
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, to get absolutely humiliated by the Eagles that day.

1035
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 3: I still think it wears on him. Especially the veterans

1036
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 3: on this team. Andy Reid just looks at this clipboard

1037
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: throughout this. I don't know they to me, a lot

1038
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 3: of this is checkout time for the Chiefs. Can they

1039
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: regain it down the road maybe, but not with this cast.

1040
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think you just need some more

1041
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: firepower when it comes to that, and maybe Rashia Rice

1042
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: coming back, We'll give that to him.

1043
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 5: It'll spark whatever, and it'll make it more fun, because

1044
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 5: I think that's where it boils down to.

1045
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 2: The Chiefs don't look like they're having fun, and that's

1046
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: that's something that I think keeps keeps teams going. And

1047
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: while they've been to three straight Super Bowls, you talk

1048
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 2: about being mentally tired, I mean they've been in that

1049
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 2: Super Bowl conversation and in and out of the Super

1050
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: Bowl since twenty nineteen, twenty twenty.

1051
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 4: Well AFC Championship Game every year.

1052
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean that's an insane amount of postseason games

1053
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: to play a Bible and it wears on you, no

1054
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 3: doubt Suir does.

1055
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 2: And one of those games that they ended up losing

1056
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 2: catastrophically in the Super Bowl was to my Tampa Bay Buccaneers,

1057
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 2: who I was working for at the time, have a

1058
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: ring thanks to Tom Brady. And that's that Bucks team

1059
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: thirty one to nine, And that's in deeper.

1060
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 4: Do you really have a ring?

1061
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 5: You know?

1062
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 3: When I work for the Raiders, the La Raiders from

1063
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 3: eighty forty, they had just won the Super Bowl when

1064
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: I joined it six months later, and they had just

1065
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 3: gotten their rings, and the rings were far less impressive

1066
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 3: in those days, but anyway, they got the rings and

1067
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 3: they looked at me and said, you'll get one of these.

1068
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 3: And they've never won a Super Bowl since. The Hartman

1069
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 3: Jinks has fallen over the silver and Black past.

1070
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was plus years.

1071
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: I was with the Bucks from twenty sixteen, so I

1072
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 2: had gone through back to back five and eleven seasons.

1073
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: I was there for Jamis Winston's thirty three and thirty

1074
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: year but so that was I had put in my

1075
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 2: dues at that point, and so twenty twenty comes around,

1076
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: we get Tom Brady, It's a magical season in so

1077
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: many ways, and I ended up with the Super Bowl

1078
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 2: ring because of it, so so uh, it's fun. It's

1079
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 2: sitting on my little shelf and I get I crack

1080
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: it open. I look at it from the time and again,

1081
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: even though it was nothing more than luck just being

1082
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 2: in the right place at the right time for me.

1083
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: But that was a special year and it was cool

1084
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 2: to do it over the Chiefs because it was, you know,

1085
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 2: this juggernaut they had already been started to be this

1086
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 2: budding juggernaut and then went out in that game thirty

1087
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 2: one to nine, didn't score a touchdown and it was

1088
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: one of those just like I wasn't worried about it

1089
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 2: at all that entire game.

1090
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 5: I really I had full faith in the Bucks.

1091
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: But the bunch are taking on the Niners this week,

1092
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: which I think is going to be a really good

1093
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 2: game to talk about injuries, though, God, both of these

1094
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 2: teams are just I mean, Mac Jones is questionable.

1095
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 5: Property's out.

1096
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: Mac Jones himself is questionable, a seemingly a go but

1097
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: like good lord, and you have to think that if

1098
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: you're the Bucks, like that's your number one priority is

1099
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: just getting after Mac Jones because how he's clearly a

1100
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: very tough player. We saw that last week where he

1101
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 2: was cramping and he was this that the other. But

1102
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: this is gonna be very interesting because it can go

1103
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: either way, just given how beat up both of these

1104
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: teams are.

1105
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 5: Well.

1106
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 4: Quick side note, you know how we talked about pictures.

1107
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 3: These days, you ask less of these pictures in terms

1108
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 3: of innings and everything else, and yet we have more

1109
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 3: arm injuries than ever.

1110
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 4: Same thing with the NFL.

1111
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 3: Well, we don't want to have full contact practices back

1112
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 3: in the eighties, believe me, full contact, full pads Wednesdays, Thursdays,

1113
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 3: walk through on Fridays.

1114
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 4: And guys never got hurt.

1115
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 3: You know, the the the training camps used to start

1116
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 3: first week of July, double days.

1117
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: They didn't get hurt, play through a lot more shot guyswed.

1118
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 4: Whatever the reason.

1119
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 3: I tell you one thing, though, you're paying these guys

1120
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 3: whether they play or not, so you know, economically, it

1121
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense if you're paying more than ever for

1122
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,479
Speaker 3: these athletes and asking less or getting less because they're

1123
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 3: constantly getting hurt. Something's amiss right now. Like you say,

1124
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 3: the NFL, we want to reduce the injuries. There are

1125
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 3: more injuries than ever ever, And so again you talk

1126
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 3: about two teams that you don't know where to go

1127
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 3: with either one of these teams, the forty nine Ers

1128
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 3: and Buccaneers. I mean, Baker Mayfield is definitely in the

1129
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 3: in the MVP conversation. But when you look back to

1130
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 3: the forty nine Ers win against the Rams, by the way,

1131
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 3: they were the biggest points spread dog to win a

1132
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 3: game up until that point.

1133
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 5: You know you were.

1134
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 3: Without your quarterback, top three wide receivers, you tie it

1135
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 3: in your number one defensive player out for the year,

1136
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 3: and you still.

1137
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 4: Win that game.

1138
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 5: Incredible.

1139
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 4: I mean it just I again I.

1140
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 3: By the way, Kyle Shanahan, So my last year working

1141
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: for the Raiders, we hired a thirty five year old

1142
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 3: Mike Shanahan is our new head coach, and I was

1143
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 3: introduced to his eight year old son.

1144
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 4: Oh boy, Kyle. Yes, that's Kyle Well out.

1145
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 2: For the Niners, Ricky Pierson, Yeater, Grossmatos, and Jordan Walkins

1146
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 2: out for the first Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Fucky Irving,

1147
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: Zion McCollum, and Benjamin Morrison, among others.

1148
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 3: The next man in Carmen. That's why I saw it up.

1149
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 3: This is wearing out exactly. This is where the coaches,

1150
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 3: the coordinators.

1151
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 5: These are two of the best.

1152
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: I truly believe that between Kyle Shanahan and Todd Bowles,

1153
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: they are some of the best at adjusting for the

1154
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: scheme for the next will comes.

1155
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 3: That's why I'm paying a coach. It's easy for a

1156
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 3: coach when you're at full steam and your quarterback is

1157
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 3: dynamic and everything else, but when you've got a change

1158
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 3: of direction literally week to week and have to grind

1159
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 3: it and figure this out. So both these coaches doing

1160
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 3: an excellent job. Honestly, by all accounts, neither the forty

1161
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 3: nine Ers or Buccaneers should be sitting at.

1162
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 5: Four to one.

1163
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 3: But there is only there's only one stat that matters

1164
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 3: in the NFL, wins and losses. You are what you are,

1165
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 3: and both these teams are for one teams. I love

1166
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 3: the books at home. I think the bus too. With

1167
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield. Again, he's only thrown one interception in five games.

1168
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 3: So not only is he dynamic and creating plays latent

1169
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 3: games to pull games out, he's not making mistakes.

1170
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 5: Yes, I do think this is gonna come down to coaching.

1171
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: We're also going to talk about some teams, seasons and

1172
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 2: maybe some hot seats for certain coaches coming up after this.

1173
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: But you are listening to Fox Sports Radio. If I

1174
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: was alive in the eighties, this is what I would

1175
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 2: have listened to.

1176
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 5: I'm like I would have been at Duranduran.

1177
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 2: I'm a huge, incredibly huge to pass mode fan.

1178
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 4: Yes, I takes at least two of us in here.

1179
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 2: I grew up like with RAM and all that. Like

1180
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 2: this is I just I love all of this. I

1181
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: was listening to RAM Radio and they were just playing

1182
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: me a ton of Duran.

1183
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 10: Duran and there's something very warm about I used to

1184
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 10: play with synthesizers a lot when I was like in

1185
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 10: my teenage years, but those FM synthesizers that started coming

1186
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 10: out in the eighties, that is like all this sound

1187
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 10: is just perfect.

1188
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 3: Well, when MTV launched, you know, and I was I

1189
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 3: graduated college in eighty one, I mean it was it

1190
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 3: was such a phenomenon, and you know, certain bands took

1191
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 3: advantage of that. Duran Duran was certainly at the top

1192
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 3: of that list. I mean they understood, Wow, if we

1193
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 3: really produce like some dynamic videos, people are going to

1194
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 3: learn our songs and that's what happened.

1195
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: I had a water ballet routine when I was a kid,

1196
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 2: to flock of seagulls. I ran and there was a

1197
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: Duran Duran song in there somewhere too, But that was

1198
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 2: like the big one.

1199
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 5: I was just I was such a little eighties head

1200
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 5: when I was a kid.

1201
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: But hey, it's Fox Football Saturday, and thank goodness because

1202
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: I'm carbavitally, I'm here with Steve Hartman.

1203
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 5: We're talking eighties.

1204
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 2: Rocky NFL college football, a little bit of baseball, because

1205
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 2: how could you now with postseason in full swing, and

1206
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 2: with the iHeartRadio app, you can stream us wherever you

1207
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 2: happen to be. Catch us and all of our Fox

1208
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 2: Sports Radio shows live twenty four to seven in the

1209
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 2: new and improved iHeartRadio app. Just starts Fox Sports Radio

1210
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 2: in the app to stream us live all day every day,

1211
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 2: and be sure to select Fox Sports Radio as one

1212
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 2: of your presets in the iHeart app, so always pop

1213
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 2: up at the top of your screen, just.

1214
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 5: Like an analog radio did back in the eighties. To

1215
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 5: bring it full circle.

1216
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 3: Guy, I love that, Carmen. And by the way, you

1217
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 3: mentioned the baseball playoffs. Have you seen that Red Ostrich

1218
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:39,120
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1221
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1222
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 2: We're gonna get to a little bit more of Major

1223
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 2: League Baseball and the playoffs in the next segment a

1224
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: little later in the show, but for right now, we

1225
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 2: were talking about before we went to break this Bucks

1226
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 2: Niners game, with how many guys are hurt, it is

1227
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 2: basically going to come down to how well these coaches,

1228
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: between Kyle Shanahan and Todd Bowles can make up for

1229
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: the personnel that they are lacking and how they can

1230
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 2: scheme around all of those holes. And basically it's going

1231
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: that's what this game is going to come down to,

1232
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 2: us who can out coach the other one.

1233
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 5: And these are two veteran.

1234
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: Coaches, some of the best in the league when you

1235
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: talk about just like the staying power that they've had

1236
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: and the success that they've had with their respective teams.

1237
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 5: But that's not the case for everybody.

1238
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 2: Not everybody can say that they have a coach that

1239
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: has done a lot as far as one Super Bowls

1240
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 2: or gotten to NFC Championship games, this, that the other,

1241
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 2: and there are some very hot coaching seats even six

1242
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: weeks into the season. Steve Brian Callahan from the Tennessee

1243
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: Titans comes to mind.

1244
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 5: Mike McDaniel in Miami.

1245
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 2: What say you as far as who's on the hotter

1246
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 2: seat and do they deserve to be?

1247
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 3: Well, there's a difference between being a hot set and

1248
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 3: deserving to be on the hot seed. And one guy

1249
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 3: that I have said for several years now is one

1250
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 3: of the great guys, I mean beloved by everyone, who

1251
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 3: is vastly overrated as a head coach, and that is

1252
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 3: John Harbaugh. John Harbaugh is a you know, two years

1253
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 3: ago inexcusable their game plan at home against the Chiefs

1254
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 3: where the abandoned the idea of utilizing their MVP quarterback

1255
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 3: to do the unthinkable, and that was to try to

1256
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 3: match Patrick Mahomes pass for pass. The game plan was

1257
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 3: so bad in that game. Think about this.

1258
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 4: This is a.

1259
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 3: Coach that has a three and five playoff record with

1260
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: a two time.

1261
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 4: MVP as his quarterback.

1262
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 3: Now, when you go back in the beginning and he

1263
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 3: was ten and five with Joe Flacco is quarterback.

1264
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 4: Oh that's right.

1265
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 3: He also had the dynamic ray Lewis ed Reid, you know,

1266
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 3: Terrell Suggs, some of the greatest defensive players in the

1267
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 3: history of the league. I honestly, I am underwhelmed talk

1268
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 3: about coaches making adjustments.

1269
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 4: You know, people say, well, I mean you lose Lamar Jackson.

1270
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 3: Okay, even when he was playing well and he was

1271
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 3: off to a you know, a record setting start as

1272
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 3: far as his passer rating, they were still losing. We

1273
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 3: knew a year ago that the Ravens are gonna have

1274
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 3: to make some changes on their defense. They made none.

1275
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 3: Their secondary is as bad as ever. So again we

1276
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 3: can go about you know, Kevin Stefanski, you talk about McDaniel.

1277
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously he's on a very short list, But

1278
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 3: I tell you John Harbaugh would be my number one

1279
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 3: and my number two would be Pete Carroll, and I

1280
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 3: had high expectations for Pete Carroll that he would change

1281
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 3: the dynamic of the Raiders. It has been a catastrophe

1282
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 3: how bad the Raiders are right now.

1283
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 5: Man, But a little bit more of a leash than that.

1284
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry, and I'm no one's a bigger Pete

1285
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 3: Carroll fan than me. In fact, when he was at USC,

1286
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 3: my dad was a USC grad, and I literally personally

1287
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 3: thanked Pete Carroll for reviving USC football even though I'm

1288
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 3: a UCLA guy, for the sake of my father and

1289
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 3: making USC football relevant again. I really believe that he

1290
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 3: was going to do something dynamic of the Raiders hiring

1291
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 3: Chip Kelly, big mistake. Geno Smith is finished. This It's

1292
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 3: a catastrophe, and Pete Carroll with the Raiders is honestly

1293
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: very similar to the Belichick situation at North Carolina. So

1294
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 3: I mean, those are two veteran coaches John Harbaugh Pete

1295
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 3: Carroll who have put together arguably borderline Hall of Fame

1296
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 3: careers as head coaches in the NFL that have both

1297
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 3: failed miserably this season.

1298
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what.

1299
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 2: I see is the big difference between those two because

1300
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 2: they've obviously had a lot of respect, They have a

1301
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 2: lot of respect around the league. They've had a lot

1302
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 2: of success around this league. But the biggest thing that

1303
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 2: I think between the two of them are the difference

1304
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 2: is that Pete Carroll is still new. Obviously, he's still

1305
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 2: getting to know his personnel. As far as I'm concerned,

1306
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 2: whereas there's no excuse for John Harbough. And so I'm

1307
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 2: glad you brought up John Harbough to have this coversation

1308
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 2: because when you look at how this offense has has operated,

1309
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Speaker 2: where Derek Henry is nowhere near the top ten as

1310
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 2: far as rushing yards go, I mean, you've got an

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01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 2: absolute bulldozer when it comes to him. And then you

1312
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 2: do I mean, now Lamar Jackson is out and he

1313
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 2: obviously like that screws over everything about your offense when

1314
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 2: your MVP caliber quarterback is not on the field. And

1315
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 2: but it was, it was it looked disjointed even in

1316
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 2: the beginning.

1317
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Speaker 5: I mean the splits from.

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Speaker 2: You know what Lamar Jackson does well, what Lamar Jackson

1319
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 2: does incredibly well, He's an incredible thrower of the football.

1320
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Speaker 2: But what makes him so incredibly dangerous is what he

1321
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 2: can do with his legs. And prior to him getting hurt,

1322
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: and maybe this is this, you know, this played into it.

1323
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 2: His injury played into it.

1324
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 5: But there was absolutely no like split between Lamar Jackson

1325
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 5: throwing the football and then also like there were no

1326
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 5: design runs. They weren't utilizing him correctly on the ground.

1327
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 5: You weren't utilizing what makes Lamar Jackson so special. And

1328
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 5: after how many years with Lamar Jackson and this offensive

1329
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 5: a lot of this offensive personnel, a lot of this

1330
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 5: defensive personnel, to not know your players enough to execute

1331
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 5: so poorly, that is something that is kind of inexcusable

1332
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 5: to me, and it's something that I'm glad you brought up.

1333
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna give I'm gonna personally give Pete Carroll a

1334
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 5: little bit more of a leash right now to maybe

1335
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,439
Speaker 5: get some more guys in there. I think it takes

1336
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 5: a couple of years when you try, you.

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Speaker 3: When you take the play, do they look like they're

1338
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 3: going in the right direction, Carmen, they're getting worse every

1339
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 3: single Wait, it's not even.

1340
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 5: Been six games. You gotta give him something.

1341
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 3: You gotta give them starting with a win, and you're

1342
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Speaker 3: going downhill ever since. I mean, how about going for

1343
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 3: a field goal when you're down forty to three at

1344
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 3: the end of that game?

1345
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 4: What was that?

1346
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 5: I think that there's a thing, and I think a

1347
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 5: lot of it is true when defensive head coaches, especially

1348
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 5: are the ones that are seen as a lot more

1349
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 5: conservative because they don't mind having the defense be on

1350
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 5: the field to end a game like that's their unit.

1351
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 5: So they want their defense on the field.

1352
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 2: And so when you get defensive coaches, I think you

1353
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 2: get conservative play callers. And maybe you're right, maybe Pete

1354
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 2: Carroll has not adapted to the league as it is now,

1355
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 2: But I do think that you need to give them

1356
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 2: a little bit more time than six weeks into the season,

1357
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 2: and we need to give a little bit more time

1358
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 2: to Martin Weiss for an update.

1359
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 8: Break at the half Indiana and Oregon. Indiana got a

1360
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 8: last second field goal to taking a thirteen to ten lead.

1361
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 8: The seventh th and T Hoosiers leading the third ranked Ducks.

1362
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 8: Arch Manning and Texas back out there at the start

1363
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 8: of the third quarter, Texas with the ball but trailing

1364
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 8: six rank Oklahoma six to Three's been a real offensive

1365
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 8: explosion in the Red River rivalry. Maybe once they changed

1366
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 8: the name they decided to stop scoring touchdowns. Eleven thirty

1367
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 8: four left in the third quarter between Virginia Tech and

1368
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 8: Georgia Tech, thirteenth ranked Yellowjackets with a twenty one to

1369
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 8: fourteen lead. Notre Dame leads NC State ten to seven, sixteenth.

1370
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 6: Three fighting Irish right now with.

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01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 8: Fourteen to fifteen left in the third quarter. Colorado took

1372
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 8: the lead at the half after ten second quarter points

1373
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 8: went unanswered against I'm sorry, Iowa State took the lead

1374
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 8: at the half after ten unanswered first half point that's

1375
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 8: the second quarter points. There we go second twenty second

1376
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 8: rank Iowa State ten to seven over.

1377
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 6: Colorado and Arkansas.

1378
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 8: They fired their coach, Bobby Patrino now the interim head coach.

1379
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 8: They're given Tennessee all they can hand them. It's been

1380
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 8: a back and forth game, seventeen to seventeen.

1381
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 6: With just under three minutes left in the first half.

1382
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 8: Earlier today we saw Ohio State turn Illinois over three

1383
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 8: times on the way to a thirty four to sixteen

1384
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 8: win for the number one team in the nation. Illinois

1385
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 8: falls to two and two in conference play. Alabama with

1386
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 8: a twenty seven to twenty four win over fourteenth thrank

1387
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 8: in Missouri. The A ranked Crimson Tide forcing go open

1388
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 8: really second interception of the day on his last throw

1389
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 8: of the day. If you look at the video, you'll

1390
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 8: see a receiver wide open from Missouri, and he let

1391
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 8: everybody know about it. He was doing jumping Jackson looked

1392
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 8: like past the first down line would have set it

1393
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 8: up for a potential game tying kick. Pittsburgh goes into

1394
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 8: Tallahassee Beach, Florida State, Florida State now zero and three

1395
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 8: in conference play, thirty four to thirty one. In the final,

1396
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 8: All Miss hangs on against Washington State twenty four to

1397
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 8: twenty one. Washington State was in this game the entire

1398
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 8: time the Rebels survived, the fourth ranked team in the nation.

1399
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 8: Then again, a lot of these games at the half

1400
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 8: right now, but Tennessee and Arkansas wanted to keep your

1401
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 8: eye on as Joey Aguilar and the volunteers fighting off

1402
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 8: the two and three razorbacks back to you.

1403
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 2: Guys, well someone else who will know a thing or

1404
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 2: two about the Tennessee volunteers.

1405
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 5: In a little bit of a cross.

1406
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 2: Talk segment that I wanted to do here, Steve, we

1407
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 2: are going to welcome our friend, my friend Buck Rising,

1408
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 2: onto the show of buckin Fits also Nashville Radio Fame

1409
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 2: Best Sports show in Fact in Nashville voted best sports

1410
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 2: talk show in Nashville.

1411
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 5: Uh, right, book that that was that wasted on you?

1412
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 7: The ballance Box, Absolutely you did.

1413
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 5: I happened.

1414
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 2: I personally was on the receiving end of pleading text

1415
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 2: messages to go and vote for you, which I begrudgingly did.

1416
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 5: So you're welcome. It's my it's it's fun.

1417
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 7: I'm not above shilling for for self congratulations congratulatory reasons.

1418
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 7: I'm absolutely about that. So I appreciate your work.

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01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 5: You're so welcome. All right.

1420
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 2: But we actually just had a conversation Steve and I

1421
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 2: about some coaches that are on the hot seat, and

1422
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 2: I purposely didn't lead off with Brian Callahan because I

1423
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 2: wanted to get your thoughts on what's happening in Tennessee.

1424
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 5: How hot is his seat?

1425
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 2: Do we think that this is going to be a

1426
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 2: change that Amy Adams Strunk is going to make in

1427
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 2: this season?

1428
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's there. It's a fascinating conversation because the scrutiny

1429
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 7: with the number one overall pick being on Tennessee now

1430
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 7: or even if cam Moore does not overly discussed or

1431
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,479
Speaker 7: overly covered the way your average number one overall pick

1432
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 7: would be because of market size and the team that

1433
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 7: he played for. But we don't know what Amy's going

1434
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 7: to do in these situations. Amy Adams Trunk is and

1435
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 7: Jerry Jones. She's not Ji Mersay, she'd done tweet her thoughts.

1436
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 7: She doesn't give press conferences after Dame. She fires people

1437
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 7: seemingly at will. In the last four years, she's fired

1438
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 7: two general managers and a head coach, included Mike.

1439
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 5: Always on a Tuesday? Right, did I see you tweet that?

1440
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 7: Up? I always on a Tuesday. Always on a Tuesday.

1441
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 7: Even Ken Wizenhunt Tuesday is she doesn't do Black Monday.

1442
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 7: She does Black Tuesday around there in Tennessee, and she's

1443
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 7: done it quite often here lately. So she speaks in statements,

1444
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 7: So none of us really know what's going to happen here,

1445
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 7: other than Brian Callahan was in battle coming in he

1446
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 7: was three and fourteen. Last year there was cause to

1447
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 7: fire and last year. This year it's gotten worse with

1448
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 7: the in game management situations. They got their first win

1449
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 7: of the season last week in Arizona on one of

1450
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 7: the drunkest games I've ever been a part of in

1451
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 7: my professional existence, but.

1452
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 2: Worse than the Titans Bucks game with Marcus Mariota and

1453
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 2: James Went that you and I met at.

1454
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was thirty for thirty touchdown, thirty interception season.

1455
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 7: I remember it fondly for Shot Harriman fumble on the

1456
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 7: goal line with the opportunity for the Fox to take

1457
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 7: lead and went on the road.

1458
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 5: That's not saying something, by the way, it's a mess.

1459
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 4: Buck. I have to personally thank you.

1460
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 3: We've never met Carmen Buck and I, but he is

1461
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 3: one of the most important.

1462
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 4: People in my life.

1463
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 3: So the first time I heard you and Jason do

1464
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 3: a show together, I was on my way to the

1465
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 3: Fox Sports radio studios to do the show.

1466
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 4: After you guys. So I'm feeling like, who is this

1467
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 4: Buck Rising?

1468
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 3: And I'm stopped in traffic on the freeway and there's

1469
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 3: a truck in front of me totally stop.

1470
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 4: I reached down for my phone to type in your name.

1471
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 3: I start to roll forward as the truck in front

1472
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 3: of me, he hits his brakes. I slide right into

1473
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 3: the back of this guy. Not a scratch on the truck.

1474
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 3: Plus the guy had known insurance. But the front end

1475
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 3: of my BMW was destroyed. My car was totaled. I

1476
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 3: went to my mechanic, I said, do you think the

1477
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 3: insurance going to give me any money for you know,

1478
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 3: a ten year old BMW goes? I don't know, you

1479
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 3: might get like three thousand dollars I get contacted by

1480
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:20,759
Speaker 3: the insurance company and they transferred twelve thousand dollars into

1481
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 3: my account.

1482
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 4: Thanks to you, Buck Rising, Thanks.

1483
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 3: To you, I MA made twelve thousand dollars the first

1484
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 3: time I ever heard you on the air.

1485
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 4: So you I told Jason that when I sat in

1486
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 4: for you this story.

1487
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:39,520
Speaker 3: But yes, you put twelve thousand dollars in my bank account.

1488
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 4: Thank you very much.

1489
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 7: Well, listen, I thought you were going to describe our

1490
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 7: first experience of the car crash, which I'm sure Carmen

1491
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 7: could relate.

1492
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 2: I would say, I can relate to that one. Where's

1493
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 2: my twelve thousand dollars with you for years?

1494
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 7: But yeah, no, I know you've been stacking friendship there's

1495
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 7: for a while here, karm But listen to us. I'd

1496
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 7: like to share the wealth a little bit. Well, I'm

1497
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,080
Speaker 7: sorry that happened to you, buddy, but I'm glad it

1498
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 7: worked out.

1499
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 3: Oh more than worked out, Buck, no question about that.

1500
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 3: So what so what is what is the buzz.

1501
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 4: On cam Ward? I mean, is is he?

1502
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 3: Is he the kind of guy that you know a

1503
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 3: city's getting around right now?

1504
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 4: Like are they Like?

1505
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's rough. The team is limited with

1506
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 3: talent everything else. Maybe there's questions about Callan and everything else,

1507
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 3: but are they are they buying into cam Ward right now? Oh?

1508
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 7: Hell yeah. I mean it's it's and it's honestly Steve.

1509
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 7: So they got shut out twenty six to nothing in

1510
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 7: Huge a couple of weeks ago, and he got up

1511
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 7: to the podium and he called the football team ass

1512
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 7: and it was. It resonated, right, Like I mean, people

1513
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 7: felt it at every level and it's it's was. It

1514
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 7: was almost a you know, I know, it's a funny

1515
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 7: clip and it's a it's a good viral moment or whatever.

1516
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 7: But like, I think the city and the fan base

1517
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 7: really appreciated that because they have sucked for a long

1518
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 7: time in Nashville, and they have caused a lot of

1519
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,679
Speaker 7: the problems. A lot of the problems are self brought.

1520
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 7: It's not been a well run franchise. They made a

1521
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 7: bunch of bad decisions, and cam Ward is coming in

1522
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 7: here to try and you know, give people hope about

1523
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:05,879
Speaker 7: the state of professional football in Tennessee. And I thought, frankly,

1524
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 7: it spoke to having a higher standard than they've had

1525
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 7: in the last couple of years. So I think it

1526
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 7: was a really important moment. I know the team kind

1527
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 7: of hemmed and hawed about it after the fact, and

1528
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 7: the locker room, you know, prefers to keep those things internal,

1529
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 7: and that's all well and good and whatever. But I

1530
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 7: appreciate that that he's transparent. He doesn't care about anything

1531
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 7: but winning football games, and they don't win football games here,

1532
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 7: so if he's trying to fix that, honestly.

1533
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 2: I think I mean, as someone who covers the Bears

1534
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,720
Speaker 2: very closely and covered the Eberflus era very closely, I

1535
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 2: think it goes a long way when guys are just

1536
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 2: transparent about the fact that they're unhappy too, and not

1537
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 2: trying to gloss over things and candy coat things and

1538
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 2: whatever and say like, oh, we're going to be fine

1539
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 2: and give you the same stock answer.

1540
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 5: I mean to see the frustration. I think that does.

1541
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 2: I think it connects to the audience, and especially if

1542
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 2: you're talking to win games quite yet, you can at

1543
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 2: least tell them that you're not happy either. I want

1544
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,600
Speaker 2: to talk about the defense really quick of the Titans, because.

1545
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 5: I have been trying to.

1546
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 2: I've been trying to love the defensive line a lot

1547
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 2: more than I've been allowed to, and I want it

1548
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 2: to happen, so bad for them, and I like, I

1549
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 2: feel like this defensive line should be a.

1550
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 5: Lot better than what they're producing at this point.

1551
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 7: Well, it's it's hard to find a player playing at

1552
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 7: a higher level at the interior defensive line position. The

1553
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 7: Jeffery Simmons right now in the bus. I mean, he's

1554
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 7: he's a bona fide monster this year. He's down twenty pounds.

1555
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 7: He discovered Pilates apparently in the off Season's.

1556
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 5: Love Plotti's Gurly, We love a Pilate's burly.

1557
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 7: Well, this is a three hundred and twenty pounds Pilate's Gurley,

1558
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 7: and he's here to wreck your wreck your offensive line.

1559
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 7: And he, I mean, he looks excellent.

1560
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 6: And it's a.

1561
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 7: Shame that they are as bad as they have been

1562
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 7: as a football team, because it's not going to be appreciated.

1563
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 7: He's a bit of a jeff Simmons is probably a

1564
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 7: household name to more avid football fans, but I don't

1565
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 7: think that's generally the case. And he is truly playing.

1566
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 7: If he was on a winning football team, he would

1567
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 7: be a defensive Player of the Year. Standed it through

1568
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 7: the first five weeks. Now, Devandre Sweat has been on

1569
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 7: injured reserved. He's the second round pick out of Texas

1570
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,719
Speaker 7: last year. He's a monster three to sixty six 'y four.

1571
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 7: He has missed time. The run defensive suffered as a result.

1572
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 7: I do think that there's some stuff there when they've

1573
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 7: been healthy. But on both sides football in the trench's car,

1574
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 7: they've Jacy Latham, the number one overall pick for twenty

1575
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 7: twenty four, missed about four games. Now he's getting ready

1576
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 7: to make a return as we're out here in Vegas,

1577
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 7: and I think they have suffered for not having about

1578
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,759
Speaker 7: six hundred pounds of beef on their offensive and defensive line.

1579
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 3: All right, final word for me, Buck Two things, and

1580
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 3: again it's personal. I mean, I'd love to talk Titans

1581
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 3: all day, but that's difficult.

1582
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 4: I mean, first of all, mean I do three hours

1583
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 4: a day. I believe me.

1584
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 3: I can you know I had San Diego for years

1585
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 3: that I had to talk about. But anyway, So two things.

1586
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 3: My daughter, she's twenty four, superstar in every sense. She

1587
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 3: wants to spend her nine life in Nashville, Tennessee. She

1588
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 3: commutes there about half a dozen times a year. She

1589
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 3: has friends there. She's trying to get work there.

1590
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 4: If you can help her, I appreciate it.

1591
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 5: Buck.

1592
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 3: And the second thing is Jeff Fisher. I name drop

1593
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 3: a lot, which is what you do when you've been

1594
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 3: around as long as I have. Jeff Fisher and I

1595
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,719
Speaker 3: not only are the same age, we're the same class,

1596
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 3: same high school. Yeah, Jeff and I literally went to

1597
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 3: high school Taft High School, San Fernando Valley, class of

1598
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:35,639
Speaker 3: seventy six.

1599
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 4: He was a superstar player back in the days. But yeah,

1600
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 4: we've We've known each other for fifty years. That's a

1601
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 4: long time.

1602
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1603
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 7: Fish is an icon, There's no question about it. And

1604
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 7: it's cool to still see him hanging around town. He's

1605
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 7: been involved with obviously the NFL, he's been involved with

1606
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 7: the XFL. He's been involved with HBCUs, helping any George

1607
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 7: get things off the ground at Tennessee State when he

1608
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 7: was still there before he jumped the Bowl in Green.

1609
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 7: So fished on a lot of good work in the

1610
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 7: community and people still have a lot of love for him.

1611
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 4: So I love to hear that. I mean, he's always

1612
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 4: been a great guy.

1613
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, no doubt that he's Uh, he's messing around to

1614
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 7: Arena League football, right now get him fly fishing more often,

1615
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 7: get him out of that.

1616
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 2: But you know, all right, well, for some reason you

1617
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 2: want to hear more of Buck Rising. Buck will be

1618
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 2: coming on next hour with Jason Fitz, who is infinitely

1619
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 2: more uh informed and easy to listen to. I'm just kidding,

1620
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 2: that's Buck Rising. Thank you so much, Buck for joining us.

1621
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 2: As much as I like to Rise you, I love

1622
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 2: talking to you too.

1623
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 7: There's a little bit of truth in everything. Car I

1624
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 7: don't think I don't know.

1625
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 5: That, sush.

1626
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 2: All right, guys, we are going to be back with

1627
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 2: our last segment of the day right after this.

1628
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 5: You're listening to Fox Football Saturday. I'm just gonna let

1629
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 5: it go.

1630
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I knew you would let this go.

1631
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 2: If only I remembered my twelve year old's self doing

1632
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 2: a water ballet routine to that song, diving in a

1633
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 2: pool with sequins on, sparkly bathing suit, the whole nine.

1634
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 2: And this was the song I chose like it was

1635
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,959
Speaker 2: my decision. It was not my coaches. It was my decision,

1636
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,839
Speaker 2: along with a girl called your girl names Susan Kkuchi.

1637
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 2: So if she's listening, I doubt it. But back when

1638
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 2: you were twelve years old, I was a synchronice swimmer

1639
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 2: and this was my jam.

1640
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 3: Well, when I was twenty five years old, I went

1641
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,719
Speaker 3: to see the Police at the Late Great Hollywood Park

1642
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 3: with the Thompson Twins, The Fix and Berlin, which is

1643
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 3: really a dynamic eighties concert.

1644
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 4: Back in the day.

1645
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 5: Yeah sounds like oh yeah.

1646
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 2: Phenomen Oh yeah, No, I mean that song that I

1647
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 2: still listen to that song really embarrassing amount of times.

1648
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 4: It's a crazy I'm sorry. People don't understand this.

1649
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 3: You know, when I know you, you're sort of a

1650
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 3: product of your era.

1651
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 4: You know, we all are, and.

1652
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 3: You appreciate the music styles a lot of different things.

1653
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 4: But I don't know.

1654
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I look at some of the music then,

1655
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:10,879
Speaker 3: and I look at the music now and my children

1656
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 3: I'll listen to it, and I'm like, okay, yeah, there's

1657
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 3: some good stuff, but overall, sorry, I've gotten to.

1658
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 2: That point too where it's okay, most new things do

1659
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 2: not impress me or don't excite me. Not that they

1660
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 2: don't impress me, because I can have an appreciation for things,

1661
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 2: but a lot of stuff just doesn't excite me anymore.

1662
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 2: And I find myself listening more, not only to the

1663
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 2: stuff I grew up with, but then the stuff that

1664
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 2: I listened to as like a high schooler, but then

1665
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 2: like the stuff that my parents introduced me to.

1666
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 5: And so it's a lot.

1667
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 3: Well, that's the beauty of music. Music connects us to

1668
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 3: people times in our lives. That's what music is all.

1669
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 2: About, it truly is, and what this postseason is all about.

1670
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 2: During the MLB postseason, Streuss made history as the first

1671
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 2: brand ever on the helmets workwhere built to perform smart

1672
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 2: pocket design, real comfort and durability from grit to glory.

1673
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 2: Gear up today at Strauss dot com. That's str au

1674
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 2: Ss dot com. Let's circle back to the MLB Playoffs

1675
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 2: real quick, because we've got a good one coming up here.

1676
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 2: Cubs Brewers Game five decides who's going to go on

1677
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,440
Speaker 2: and face the Dodgers in the NLCS.

1678
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 3: Who you got, Steves, Well, look at Milwaukee at home.

1679
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 3: Should win this game. Obviously they won the division, so

1680
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to favor the Brewers here. I think Major

1681
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,879
Speaker 3: League Baseball would love to have the Dodgers in the Cubs,

1682
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 3: although I do like this one dynamic that if you

1683
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 3: do have the Milwaukee Brewers winning, Let's get into the

1684
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 3: World Series against the Seattle Mariners. The Brewers were religionally

1685
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 3: the Seattle Pilots for their first season before they moved

1686
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 3: to Milwaukee their second year. So that'd be the Pilots

1687
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 3: and the Mariners and keep there's thirty teams in Major

1688
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 3: League Baseball and the Mariners are the only team that

1689
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,639
Speaker 3: has never been to a World Series, only team out

1690
01:18:58,680 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 3: of thirty.

1691
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know all too well because my fiance is

1692
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 2: a Mariners fan because he grew up in New Orleans,

1693
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 2: did not have a team to root for, and was

1694
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 2: just taken with Ken Griffy Junior at that time, grew

1695
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 2: up with, you know, idolizing Ken Griffy Junior, and decided

1696
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 2: he was going to be a Mariners fan. Has stuck

1697
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 2: with them, Hence why we were up late in Central

1698
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 2: Time last night watching the fifteen inning marathon that ended

1699
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:24,679
Speaker 2: with the Mariners advancing. Though, so we're a happy household

1700
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 2: here in the helmet vitality household.

1701
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 4: All right.

1702
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 3: So, but you are a white Sox die hard, but

1703
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 3: you're rooting for the Cups.

1704
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 2: I want I want the Cups to do well because

1705
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 2: I want this city to be happy. But I well,

1706
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 2: I'm so happy the show was so much fun. We're

1707
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 2: gonna come back and see you next week. You were

1708
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 2: listening to Fox Football Saturday. Thanks for listening.