1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: On this episode of Newsworld, My guest today is Kevin Malone. 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: He has had a remarkable career in Major League Baseball, 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: working for teams including the California Angels, Montreal Expos, Minnesota Twins, 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: Baltimore Orioles, and Los Angeles Dodgers. After he retired from baseball, 5 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: he worked for Fox Sports and ESPN as a commentator, 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: but his current devotion is fighting child sex slavery. He 7 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: and his wife of forty two years, Maryland, moved from 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: Los Angeles to Las Vegas in twenty eighteen and have 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: worked tirelessly through several nonprofit organizations to help save children 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: from human trafficking. In May twenty twenty five, President Trump 11 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: appointed him to be the Health and Human Services Senior 12 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: Adviser in Human Trafficking, where he continues to use his 13 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: experience and relationships to fight for the eradication of child 14 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: second slavery. It's an important moral cause. Kevin, welcome and 15 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: thank you for joining me. 16 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: On this world speaker. It's a pleasure and honor. Thank 17 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: you for the time. 18 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 3: I'm disgrateful for what you've done for America and Lord 19 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 3: willing I can do a little bit to help protect 20 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 3: kids in moving forward, Well, you're. 21 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: Doing an amazing thing. But first of all, you had 22 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: a remarkable seventeen year run in Major League Baseball, earned 23 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: a World Series, ring, had several postseason appearances, and you 24 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: were named the best general manager in Major League Baseball 25 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety five. Looking back, how do you sum 26 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: up that chapter of your life? 27 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: Well, Speaker, I think it was basically a learning experience. 28 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: I think that the Lord was creating a platform for 29 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 3: me to use those experiences in scouting and player development 30 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: and team building to know how to put championship teams 31 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 3: together so that when I got out of baseball, I 32 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 3: would be positioned to best fight child sex trafficking in 33 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: this country as well as child labor trafficking. So I 34 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: believe those seventeen years Speaker really taught me how to 35 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: build teams, how to collaborate, how to work together, how 36 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 3: to hire the right people and manage the right people 37 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 3: to accomplish your goals and objectives. So I think it 38 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 3: was a training course Speaker in preparing me for doing 39 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 3: this important work to protect our kids here in America. 40 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: You were drafted by the Cleveland Indians after your time 41 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: at the University of Louisville, where you played second base 42 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: for the Batavia Trojans and Auburn Americans. What did you 43 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: take away from that one season in the miners that 44 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: helped shape the rest of your career. 45 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 3: I believe that I learned two things Speaker. I learned 46 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 3: that I was a leader in different ways, that I 47 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 3: worked with some of the better players to help them improve, 48 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 3: and basically was kind of a coach in uniform. So 49 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 3: I learned the importance of being a leader because I 50 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 3: was also captain at the University of Louisville in my 51 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 3: senior year in baseball there, and I think I continue 52 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 3: to see the importance of strong leadership in helping teammates, players, 53 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: people that I was working with to get better. And 54 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 3: I think I also learned how important teamwork is unity, 55 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: how we should work together if you want to win, 56 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 3: how everyone has to do what they can in their 57 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: specific roles to help the team succeed and to win. 58 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 3: So I learned disciplined as well. Why it was important 59 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 3: to be disciplined. I always, Speaker outworked everyone else because 60 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: I was limited on talent. 61 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: I wasn't as talent as a. 62 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: Lot of players, but I could outwork them outthink them 63 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 3: and find ways to beat them. So I think it 64 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: just solidified my one year in professional baseball as a 65 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 3: player what I needed to do to be successful in 66 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: life and to make a difference. 67 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: After playing, you chose to go toward a master's in 68 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: theology at Tennessee Temple Theological Seminary. That's a pretty big jump. 69 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: What led you in that direction? 70 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 3: I had always focused on myself and how I could 71 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: be the best, and it was all about me. You know, 72 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: whatever's best for me is what's best for everyone. And 73 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 3: then I had an encounter with Jesus my junior year 74 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 3: at the University of Louisville, and I realized that I 75 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: was a sinner separated from God and I needed a 76 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 3: personal relationship with Jesus Christ. And God opened my eyes 77 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: up speaker to that it wasn't just about me. It 78 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 3: wasn't about just do what you want to do, whatever's 79 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: best for you, but it was about serving others. It 80 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: was about loving God and serving others. And so that 81 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 3: transition from kind of the world or from the focus 82 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 3: on self really led me to the seminary to learn 83 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 3: more about God, about theot about the Bible, about what 84 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 3: does it mean to really serve others and to make 85 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 3: a difference in the world. So it was a major transition. 86 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 3: It was definitely a lot different. I remember, Speaker, I 87 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 3: was walking down one night. I used to play basketball 88 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: late at night in the gym there at the Theological Seminary, 89 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 3: and I was walking down the sidewalk and a truck 90 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 3: goes by, and these guys were egging me, yelling, you're. 91 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: A Jesus freak, Jesus freak. 92 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 3: They threw eggs at me, but they weren't baseball players, Speaker, 93 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 3: because they missed me. They explattered all around me, but 94 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: they didn't hit me. So I think what I learned 95 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 3: there was, you know, God must increase and I must decrease. 96 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 3: So I think that was what I learned, that putting 97 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: others before me, God always honored and blessed that, and 98 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 3: that's why I think that because of that, I think 99 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 3: the Lord has blessed me and giving me great opportunities. 100 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: When you graduated from the Tennessee Temple Theological Seminary, you 101 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: joined the California Angels as part of the scouting and 102 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: player development team. What is it you took from the 103 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: Theological Seminary into this new job that was different than 104 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: it would have been if you'd never gone there. 105 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: I didn't graduate from the seminary. I met my wife, 106 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: she was in the business school Maryland as you mentioned earlier, 107 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 3: and kind of changed my world. I met a godly 108 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 3: woman that cared about others as well and kind of 109 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 3: was a great example to me. But what I took 110 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 3: from the seminary training was the importance of unity of team, 111 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 3: of putting others before you, helping others succeed, leading others 112 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 3: in the right way, providing them opportunities to develop and 113 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 3: be successful. So I think I learned, primarily from a 114 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 3: spiritual perspective why that was important to God, but then 115 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 3: how it translates and impacts to others when you served them, 116 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 3: helped them achieve their goals, helped them to be unified 117 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 3: as a team of scouts and coaches and do what's 118 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: best for the organization for you're working for. So I 119 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 3: think it gave me clarity in my mind as to 120 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 3: what it was going to take to be successful and 121 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 3: to win championships. And I think from a spiritual perspective 122 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 3: into the baseball world, it really just set the tone 123 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 3: and laid the groundwork for me to be successful. 124 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: When you were the Twins advanced scout in nineteen ninety 125 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: one and you helped them win a very very exciting 126 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: World Series championship, which got you a championship ring. But 127 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: to what extent does an advanced scout impact in a 128 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: series like that? What were you doing to contribute to 129 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: the team's success. 130 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I'm sorry that we beat up 131 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 3: on your Braves, although that World Series was one of 132 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 3: the most exciting speaker as you remember nineteen ninety one, 133 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 3: each game was decided by one run. Each win was 134 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: a home win. We started out in Minnesota at the Metrodome. 135 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: We won the first two games there. We go to 136 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 3: Atlanta for three. Atlanta beats us all three in Atlanta, 137 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 3: and then we go back to Minnesota and we win 138 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 3: the next two, so we went four to three win 139 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 3: the World Series. I think what I did was my 140 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: responsibility was I scouted the Braves eighteen games into the 141 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 3: regular season, so I got a lot of Marriott points 142 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: there and that Marriott Marquee in downtown Atlanta. Because I 143 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 3: watched I scouted the Braves for almost three weeks on 144 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: what their tendencies were. So I did a report it 145 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: looked like it was the thickness of the size of war 146 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: and peace on What are the tendencies of Bobby Cox? 147 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: When did he make certain moves? When would he steal? 148 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 3: When would he pull a pitcher? How did he create 149 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: his lineup? So everything you can possibly imagine. Speaker I 150 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 3: put into a report Lonnie Smith, he will make a 151 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 3: wide turn at second or around the basis you might 152 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: be able to throw behind him, And that, in fact 153 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 3: happened in one game and helped us win a particular game. 154 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 3: How to shade the different players as far as positioning 155 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 3: in the outfield, in the infield, what pitches did certain 156 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: hitters like, like first pitch, fastball hitters, So everything you 157 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 3: can imagine that a player would do. Also, I looked 158 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: at the field in Atlanta, the ball, how would it 159 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 3: bounce off the wall? What were the foul lines, everything 160 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 3: that you can imagine, all the way down to the 161 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 3: minute details of what it would take for the Twins 162 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 3: to beat the Braves. And Tom Kelly, who was the manager, 163 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 3: they called him TK. I remember in game six or seven, 164 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 3: he picked up my scouting report in the dugout and 165 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 3: looked at it. And I don't know if he made 166 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 3: a decision based on what he read. But all I 167 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 3: know is that I was honored to be able to 168 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 3: put that scouting report. 169 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: Together to win or ring. It was great. 170 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 3: One quick side note speaker the day of the game 171 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 3: Game one in Minneapolis, TK asked me to speak to 172 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 3: the team just before the game. I'm a young baseball scout. 173 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 3: This was a great experience and two players only asked questions. 174 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 3: Kirby Puckett, hall of Famer, asked me, who do I 175 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 3: really shade to my left or to my right in 176 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: certain situations as far as hitters are concerned, who hits 177 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 3: in what gaps? And the second question was Jack Morris, 178 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 3: who won three games in that World Series. Whose first 179 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 3: ball fastball hitters? That's all I want to know as 180 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 3: to who I shouldn't throw first pitch fastballs too. So 181 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: that was an honor to me to have two of 182 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: the best players in that World Series asked me questions. 183 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 3: So it was a great experience and I'm thankful for 184 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 3: that opportunity. Sorry about your braves. 185 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: Well, look, that's part of the businesses. You've go out 186 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: and compete. Sometimes you win and sometimes you don't. The 187 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: point you may just now I think most people don't 188 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: realize how much professional study before they go out on 189 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: that mound do they go out in the field, and 190 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: how much they've thought about it, and how particularly by 191 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: the time you get to the World Series, you have 192 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: people who are very focused on a level of performance 193 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: that's sort of astonish him. 194 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: That's true speaking. 195 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: And what's new now is with these saber metro and 196 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 3: this computer analysis, you have players in between at bats 197 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 3: going into the clubhouse to watch their bats, to watch pitches, 198 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 3: to look for tendencies. I mean, we were doing this 199 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety one without the computer analysis and all 200 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 3: that they're using now, I mean it's gone to another level. 201 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 3: So you're talking about every possible imagination that's in one's 202 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 3: imagination as to every bit of information that can help 203 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 3: you be successful, be it a pitcher on what pitches 204 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 3: to throw and what counts, what hitters are looking for 205 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: in certain situations, what managers, what their decisions they're going 206 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 3: to make. I did that with the so called naked 207 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 3: eye in nineteen ninety one, but they now have computers 208 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 3: doing that. So I was blessed to be ahead of 209 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 3: the game, and I learned a lot from those experiences. 210 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: You only were named general manager of the Montreal Expos, 211 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: and the Expos really became very competitive, and in the 212 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: strike shortened ninety four season, they had the best record 213 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: seventy four to forty in Major League Baseball. What is 214 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: a you did to take that team and turn it 215 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: around so dramatically. 216 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 3: Well, I have to give a lot of the accolades 217 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 3: in the tribute to Dave Dombrowski, who was the general 218 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 3: manager a few years before that. He kind of laid 219 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 3: the foundation, and then Dan Duquette took over for Dombrowski. 220 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: Dave went to the Florida Marlins. Duquette came in and 221 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 3: he was there and he put more pieces to that 222 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 3: puzzle together, and then he left for Boston for the 223 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: Red Sox, and then I took over and I just 224 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 3: added a few pieces to the puzzle speaker. These guys 225 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: have did a great job before me. What we did 226 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 3: in Montreal, which a lot of good teams do, is 227 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: we added young talent when we needed to. We had solid, 228 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 3: very good veteran players. But part of the challenge in Montreal, 229 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 3: with being a small market team in low resources, we 230 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 3: had to always trade our best players. But that particular 231 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 3: year ninety four. We had six All Stars that year, 232 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 3: Mary Walker, Marquis Chrissom, Pedro Martinez, Kenny Hill. We had 233 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 3: a lot of really good players, but we had a 234 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 3: good young players. So I think what made that team 235 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 3: really good was that it had a combination of veterans, 236 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 3: experienced guys and rookies younger players. 237 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 2: And we had Felipe A. 238 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 3: Luiz the manager, who was a All Star himself as 239 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 3: a player, but he understood the game, so I was 240 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 3: able just to add a few pieces. I can't take 241 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 3: much of the credit, speaker. I just was in the 242 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 3: right place at the right time, made a few additions 243 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 3: and kind of managed the team throughout the season. And 244 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 3: I think that's why we were seventy four and forty 245 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: and I have to say, your Braves were on our tails. 246 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 3: We had some great games with the Braves that year, 247 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 3: and we were ahead of them six games at the time. 248 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 3: But everyone was talking about the Montreal Expos and the 249 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 3: New York Yankees were going to be in that series. 250 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 3: But unfortunately to strike hit and we didn't get to 251 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 3: finish the season. 252 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: You know, ultimately, you ended up as an analyst on 253 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: Fox Sports and on ESPN ends baseball tonight. How much 254 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: do you think your knowledge, your actual work in baseball 255 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: made you dramatically more effective in trying to explain to 256 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: the general public what was going on. 257 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 3: That's a great question. I think two things to that speaker. 258 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 3: Is one, I think that God blessed me with this 259 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 3: ability like you did, to understand certain situations and how 260 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 3: to provide solutions to problems, to issues, how to outthink 261 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 3: certain people, how to get to the bottom of things. 262 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 3: And I don't say that boastally. I'd just say that humbly, 263 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: but I thought about it all the time, and I 264 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 3: think God blessed me innately with the ability to analyze 265 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 3: a sports game and how players perform. And then I 266 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 3: think those experiences, I was able to translate that and 267 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 3: share that with the TV viewers. 268 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: Usually it were short. 269 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 3: Soundbites, so I didn't really get to go into detail 270 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 3: like you're allowing me to do. But I was able 271 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 3: to add concise, short analytic perspectives on why players do 272 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: certain things, or why teams were successful, whatever it may be. 273 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 3: It was a blessing that I had the ability. But 274 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 3: then it was fine tuned and I learned a lot 275 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: more and built upon it. Through all those years, seventeen 276 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 3: years in the game. 277 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: After you left baseball, what is it that drew you 278 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: and your wife to focus so intensely on human trafficking. 279 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 3: So at the time, Speaker, I own a Mercedes Benz 280 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 3: dealership in Los Angeles, so I was afforded the opportunity 281 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 3: the time to really do what God was calling me 282 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 3: to do, which. 283 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: Was serve others. 284 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 3: And then late in nineteen ninety eight and then too 285 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 3: to two thousands, we opened the Bin's dealership in two 286 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 3: thousand and five. But really in two thousand and nine, 287 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: I went with my pastor my church to Thailand and 288 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 3: I met four or five and six year old boys 289 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 3: and girls that had been sold for sex, that were 290 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 3: broker for sex. They were rescued in a facility, a 291 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 3: safe house in northern Thailand and Chiang Mai in the 292 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 3: northern part of Thailand, and I learned the importance of 293 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 3: how to serve and help and bring healing to little 294 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 3: kids that had been sex slaves. And it broke my heart. 295 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: When you pray to God, God break my heart for 296 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 3: what breakshares, be careful because he might just do that. 297 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: So when I got back from Thailand, I started really 298 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 3: researching and studying was this going on in America, how 299 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 3: bad was the problem and what could I do about it? 300 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: And my wife, who's always been supportive of me, said, 301 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: if you want to fight this, let's. 302 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 2: Figure out how to do it. 303 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 3: So she encouraged me, and then Speaker, I knew some 304 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 3: wealthy guys that said, hey, if you want to do this, 305 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 3: we'll help you create some nonprofits to start doing that. 306 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 3: So I think initially it was meeting young kids that 307 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 3: had been sex slaves, and it broke my heart. And 308 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 3: then what happened was my son was at University of 309 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 3: Southern California at USC. He overdosed his senior year in 310 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 3: twenty thirteen at the beginning, and he told us that 311 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 3: he was brain dead and to pull his feeding to 312 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 3: starving him to death because if he ever woke up, 313 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 3: he'd be in a vegetative state. We didn't do that, Speaker. 314 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 3: We fasted, we prayed, we cried out to God, and 315 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: God performed a miracle and brought my son back to life, 316 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 3: gave him a second chance, and a year and a 317 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 3: half later, he graduated from the University of Southern California 318 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 3: with a business degree from the Marshall School of Business. 319 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 3: So I say that to say is soon after that, 320 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 3: I believe God was saying to me, Kevin, I gave 321 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 3: you your son back. I want you to go give 322 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 3: moms and dads their sons and daughters back that are 323 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 3: being sex trafficked. 324 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: So I believe it was kind of. 325 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 3: A man and a call from God, and I wanted 326 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 3: to be obedient, and I wanted to help kids. That's 327 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 3: kind of the genesis of how that all transpired. 328 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: When did you set up Kids Not for Sale? 329 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: That was in twenty twenty one. 330 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 3: I had been involved with another nonprofit called the United 331 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 3: States Against Human Trafficking, but I really felt God was 332 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 3: calling my wife and my family us to move to 333 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 3: Las Vegas because of the child sex trafficking that was 334 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 3: happening on the Las Vegas Strip and throughout Clark County. 335 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 3: As people know or shouldn't know, that prostitution is not 336 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 3: legal in Clark County. It's legal in certain counties in Nevada, 337 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 3: but not in Las Vegas and not in Clark County. 338 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 3: So I moved over there to fight for kids, and 339 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 3: I started Kids Not for Sale because I wanted to 340 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 3: really see if I could make a difference. I felt 341 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 3: like God was saying, if you can cut the head 342 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 3: off that snake there, you can cut it off anywhere 343 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 3: in the country. Because we know that there's certain cities 344 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 3: that have a propensity to be involved in this, and 345 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 3: we know that men fly into Las Vegas to not 346 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 3: only gamble, but the party and have sex with sometimes adults, 347 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 3: but oftentimes with children. So it broke my heart and 348 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 3: I said, I'm going to go there and fight this. 349 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 3: So I got to know Governor Lombardo, who at the 350 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 3: time was the sheriff and the chief of police, and 351 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 3: then I know now the current chief of police and sheriff, 352 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 3: which is Kevin mcmahell. I work with the city council, 353 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 3: I work with nonprofits, I work with law enforcement and 354 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 3: all those politicians to try to figure out how we 355 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 3: can best protect kids. And unfortunately, Speaker, a lot of 356 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 3: times people talk a good game, but they don't take action. 357 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: And you know this from being in Washington, d C. 358 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 3: I've been there three months now, and I tell you what, 359 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 3: that town is full of a lot of talkers and 360 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 3: I don't see a lot of doers a lot of action. 361 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 3: You were one of the outlier. You were one of 362 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 3: the leaders that took action that made things happen to 363 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 3: do what was best for America. So I thank you 364 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 3: for that example, and I think President Trump is also 365 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 3: kind of following in your footsteps, so to speak, doing 366 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 3: what's best for Americans and America first, I mean, that's 367 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 3: what it's all about. And that doesn't mean we don't 368 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 3: care about other countries and we don't do things to 369 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 3: protect people that live in other countries. But our first 370 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 3: priority is doing what's best for America, meaning our families, 371 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 3: our friends, and our communities, our cities. And you were 372 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 3: an example. You set the example. You did a lot 373 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 3: of that all those years the eighties and nineties that 374 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 3: you were in Congress. So again, I thank you for 375 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 3: being the example. 376 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: It's a great honor that you would say that, but 377 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: as you know, it's a team effort. And President Trump 378 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: recognized your leadership back in his first term. In October 379 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, he appointed you to the Public Private Partnership 380 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: Advisory Council DAN Human Traffic in the United States. Was 381 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: that an eye opening experience? 382 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 3: Well, yes, it was, because I think you could tell 383 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 3: even from our conversation and I'm kind of an aggressive guy. 384 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 3: Take no prisoners captive. I'm going to get it done, 385 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,719 Speaker 3: and I'll fight you to the end, but I'm going 386 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 3: to win. And I think he recognized that. I spent 387 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 3: more time learning from Ivanka because she had a great 388 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 3: heart for survivors, for traffic victims, and she really her 389 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,719 Speaker 3: and the President really passed a lot of policies and 390 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 3: provided resources in this fight. I mean, you can take 391 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 3: all the presidents together, and they didn't do half of 392 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 3: what President Trump did in his first term in the 393 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 3: regards of fighting human trafficking and providing resources to victims. 394 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 2: So, you know, the. 395 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 3: Public private partnership, it was interesting because you know, partnerships 396 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 3: are absolutely essential because no single agency or organization can 397 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 3: end trafficking alone, and I believe public private partnerships have 398 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 3: been especially effective. You know, we've worked with the HHS 399 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 3: under Secretary Kennedy make America Healthy Again, to train providers 400 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 3: because research shows that most trafficking survivors they see a 401 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 3: healthcare provider while they're being exploited. But too often the 402 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 3: signs are this. You know, ending trafficking, as you just 403 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 3: mentioned about working together, takes all of his government, business, nonprofits, 404 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 3: and everyday people who care enough to act. When we 405 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 3: bring our strengths together, we can create real and lasting solutions. 406 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 3: And I just follow the example of President Trump. I mean, 407 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 3: he puts his money where his mouth is and he 408 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 3: takes action. He gets things done. And I'm thankful to 409 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 3: him and his administration and Secretary Kennedy for providing me 410 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 3: the opportunity to work with businesses that have a role 411 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 3: in this. We need everybody, like Tommy Lesuri used to say, speakers, 412 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 3: we all need to be on the same end of 413 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 3: the row, pulling in the same direction. And when we 414 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 3: can do that in Washington, d C. And the federal government, 415 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: we can make a really big difference for families, for kids, 416 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 3: for our community. So I'm just grateful to be able 417 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 3: to work across the government and business lines to make 418 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 3: positive things happen for Americans. 419 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: A lot of Americans will say a lot against child trafficking, 420 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: but they don't think it's all overseas. How big a 421 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: problem is it right here in the United States. 422 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: That's a great question. 423 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 3: It's a common misconception that human trafficking happens only in 424 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 3: other countries. The truth is speaker, It's happening right here 425 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 3: in our own backyards. It's in the suburbs, the small towns, 426 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 3: rural communities, and major cities all across this country. And 427 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 3: the interesting thing is trafficking often hides in plain sight. 428 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 3: Traffickers pray on vulnerability, and those vulnerabilities exist in every 429 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 3: zip code. And human trafficking, in my opinion, it's not 430 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 3: just a law enforcement issue. It's a public health crisis. 431 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 3: And that's the way I think we as Americans need 432 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 3: to look at it as a public health crisis because 433 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 3: it's about protecting kids, it's about restoring broken systems, and 434 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 3: it's about making sure that no every one is exploited 435 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 3: for profit. So that is a big misconception. And one 436 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 3: thing I'd like to mention speaker is Americans don't understand 437 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 3: or know is that the DOJ and their reports and 438 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 3: research showed that up to thirty six percent of all 439 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 3: trafficked American kids are boys. People don't realize that boys 440 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 3: and men are also being trafficked. So that's another misconception, 441 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 3: is that only girls and women are being trafficked. Up 442 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 3: to a third are boys. 443 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: I had a. 444 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 3: Boy's home when I was at the US Institute Against 445 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 3: Human Trafficking. We had thirty three boys go through our 446 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 3: home in four years and we provided wrap around services 447 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 3: and a lot of them were recruited by traffickers on 448 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 3: the gaming devices through social media. And that's a real 449 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 3: big problem speaker right now. Is this technology facilitated abuse? 450 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: Is the Internet. It allows traffickers. 451 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 3: And evil people to come into your home through the phones, 452 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 3: through laptops, through all the things that kids are on 453 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 3: these days. So we've got a real problem with predators 454 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 3: attacking our kids through Internet, so through technology. So we 455 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 3: need to do a much better job in protecting our kids. 456 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: How young are some of the people who are exploited. 457 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 3: Well, I'll give you a quick story. So when we 458 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 3: had the US Institute against him trid the boys, we 459 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 3: called it the Hero House. We had one of our 460 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,959 Speaker 3: workers go up to Jacksonville picked up a boy and 461 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 3: when he picked him up, he only had a trash 462 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 3: bag of his possessions. Before he got in the car, 463 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 3: he said to the guy that was picking him up, 464 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 3: are you safe, basically implying that most men he's ever 465 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 3: dealt with sexually abused him. Drove him back to the 466 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,239 Speaker 3: Tampa Bay area, which is where our trafficking safe home was, 467 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 3: the Hero House, and when he got there, we found 468 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 3: out he didn't know his birthday, he didn't know how 469 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 3: old he was. We found out he had just turned 470 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 3: ten years of age. 471 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 2: Speaker. 472 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 3: He had never settled a brad to a birthday, he'd 473 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 3: never been to school, and he couldn't read or write. 474 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: That's just a ten year old in America. And guess 475 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 3: who the traffic here. It was his father. So we're 476 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 3: finding out in America that between forty and fifty percent 477 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 3: of all traffic kids is familial. It's some kind of 478 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 3: family connection. It's an ant or an uncle, grandmother, or 479 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 3: someone that's considered part of the family. So we need 480 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 3: to be aware of everyone that's dealing with our kids. 481 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: Sounds like in many ways we're really becoming a pretty 482 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: sick culture we are. 483 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: Speaker. 484 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 3: I mean, it's pure evil the fact that men can't 485 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 3: be satisfied with an adult woman, or that they have 486 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 3: to go down this downward spiro into depravity, and that 487 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 3: they can only be satisfied or. 488 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: Have sex with a child. 489 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 3: Here's the thought for you and for your listener, Speaker, 490 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 3: what we're finding out. I'm working with Department of Homeland 491 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,479 Speaker 3: Security as well. They're doing great work in this space 492 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 3: is that we have a real problem now with infants 493 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 3: and toddlers being sowed for sex all across this country. 494 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 3: And not only are they being bought and sold, I'm 495 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 3: talking about babies up to five years of age. They're 496 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 3: being bought and sold for sex and it's being videoed 497 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 3: and they're showing it. They're selling videos of men abusing 498 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 3: sexually violently infants in toddlers. Now, how evil do you 499 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 3: have to be to do that sort of behavior. So 500 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 3: I have no patience with that, and you know, to me, 501 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 3: we need to do everything we can. 502 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 2: To protect our kids. 503 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 3: There's some crazy stuff going on out there speaking a 504 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 3: group called seven sixty four. Is this kind of culted group, 505 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 3: a satanic demonic group, recruiting kids to cut themselves, kill animals, 506 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 3: and do perverted sexual acts on video and then at 507 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 3: the end commit suicide. We're living in Sodom and Gomorrah 508 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 3: these days, and it's even worse than Sodom and Gomora 509 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 3: because we've got technology facilitated abuses and crimes that are 510 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 3: coming right into our homes. And I would just encourage 511 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 3: parents and grandparents, aunts and uncles be protective of the 512 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 3: kids and the children and your family or their friends 513 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 3: because they're under attack. They're being targeted by these evil predators, 514 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 3: and we need to be aware of this. It's growing rapidly. 515 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 3: The numbers are off the charts as to how fast 516 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,479 Speaker 3: these crimes are growing. 517 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: Given your experience, what will it take for the US 518 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: to make a significant, lasting reduction in human trafficking over 519 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: the next decade. 520 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 3: Well, I think in dealing with AI with technology, we 521 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 3: have the potential to turn the tide because right now 522 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 3: AI is being used in technology facilitate abuses in a 523 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 3: very negative, harmful, evil way. But if we use it 524 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 3: in a positive way correctly, it can detect grooming behavior, 525 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 3: it can fight suspicious activity, and it can help law 526 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 3: enforcement intervene much more quickly. Through AI, we can analyze 527 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 3: vast amounts of data that can identify trafficking networks and 528 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 3: predict risk before the harm occurs. In short speaker, the 529 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 3: same algorithms that traffickers are using to exploit kids can 530 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 3: be reprogrammed. 531 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 2: To protect kids. So we've got to take. 532 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 3: A real strong look at technology and beyond the technology component, 533 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 3: we need leadership in this country and that is not 534 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,959 Speaker 3: only political but business wise. We need to invest in 535 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 3: ethical technology that defends children, setting standards so that safety 536 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 3: and privacy are at the forefront, not afterthoughts. And if 537 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,719 Speaker 3: we want to win the tech race, which we hear 538 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 3: about a lot now, the best place to start is 539 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 3: by protecting our kids. This isn't just a smart policy. 540 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 3: It's a national security issue and as you mentioned at 541 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 3: the very beginning, it's about moral leadership. 542 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 2: We have a lot of these. 543 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 3: Big tech companies speaker, that are wanting to make money, 544 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 3: and the money they're making is so vast, it's so 545 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 3: great because it involves kids being abused and being tortured 546 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 3: and being sexually exploited. So we have to do that's 547 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 3: right for our kids and sacrifice a few dollars at 548 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 3: the tech level to protect all of our kids in 549 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 3: this country. 550 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to have to put a large number of 551 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: these people in. 552 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: Jail, Yes, sir, we should. 553 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 3: I mean, I think jail is too good for them. 554 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 3: But between us, I believe in second chances. But it's 555 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 3: hard for me to think that I can give a 556 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 3: sexual predator, a pedophile a second chance. But maybe a 557 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 3: second chance. And I'm just speaking for myself. It's hard 558 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 3: for me to say that. But if you give a predator, 559 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 3: a pedophile, these people abusing kids a second chance, there's 560 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 3: no more chances. There really should be only one chance, 561 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 3: and then throw away the keys to the prisons. 562 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 2: Or doing whatever more you have to do. 563 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 3: But we have to take a stronger stance, speaker, because 564 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 3: what I'm finding out across the country, it's usually. 565 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 2: Up to the states to take action. 566 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 3: But a lot of these predators, a lot of these 567 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 3: men that are buying sex. One of important fact is 568 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 3: that I've read or heard is that American men are 569 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 3: the number one consumers of buying sex from children in 570 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 3: the world. What does that say about us as American men, 571 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 3: that that's what we're known for, the number one consumers 572 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 3: of buying sex from children. So I think we've really 573 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 3: got to figure out ways to help men. And maybe 574 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 3: these are some sort of perverse addictions, but help is 575 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 3: out there, and we can provide help, and we need 576 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 3: to stop, and we need to increase the laws in 577 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 3: certain states. A lot of these traffickers, a lot of 578 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 3: these buyers of sex from kids, I call them rapists. 579 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 3: They get a slap on the wrist, it's not even 580 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 3: a felony. They plead down from a felony to a misdemeanor. 581 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 3: And it's hard to really capture these predators, these pedophiles, 582 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 3: but we've been looking the other way for a long time, 583 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 3: and attorney generals and prosecutors they need to prosecute these 584 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 3: crimes and not plead down because they're tough cases to prove. 585 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 2: You know. 586 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: I want to thank you for joining me because with 587 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: your passion and your commitment, there are a lot of 588 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: young people who are gonna be safe who otherwise would 589 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: be very very badly damaged and in some case is killed. 590 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: And I want to let our listeners know they can 591 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: find out more about Kids Not for Sale by visiting 592 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: Kids Not for Sale dot Org, which we'll have on 593 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: our show page. And I want to wish you well. 594 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: I'm so glad as a citizen that you have agreed 595 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: to join HHS work for the entire country, and I 596 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: think you're going to have a big impact, and we're 597 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: going to do all weekend to help you. So thank 598 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: you very much for being with me today. 599 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 3: Thank you, speaker. God bless you and your family. And 600 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 3: I'll do my best to protect not only your family, 601 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 3: but everyone's family in America. That's what it's all about. 602 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 3: And I need to pray a lot, and I need 603 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 3: to seek God's wisdom and guidance. I'm going to do 604 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 3: everything I can speaker, so you and your wife please 605 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 3: keep me in your alls prayers too. 606 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest Kevin Malone. You can get 607 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: a link to Kids Not for Sale on our show 608 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: page at newtsworld dot com. Newtworld is produced by Englishree 609 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: sixty and iHeartMedia, our executive producers. Going to our researcher 610 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: is Rachel Peterson. The artwork for the show was created 611 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: by Steve Penley. 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